BEST FORCE FEEDBACK I'VE FELT, BUT... | VNM Sim Racing Ecosystem Review

[@vanebuster]

I’ve visited their workshop in Ha Noi and i can tell you 1 thing: you have no ideals how small the scale of that company is. AND they’ve been pumping out good product non stop. Respect!

[@texnorthman]

I have just swapped out my Asetek Invicta base for this VNM base, and I must say I am blown away by how good it is. The software is clunky, but once you figure out what all the settings do I find the force feedback to be simply incredible. I can get a stable, natural feeling setup that provides more feedback than the Invicta ever could, even if I turned almost all of the filters on the Invicta off which for that base results in a very twitchy feel. And all this is without using the telemetry feedback system, in ACC. I haven't even tested the telemetry stuff yet as I'm already consistently faster than I was with the Invicta wheelbase, approaching 101% times in ACC. Aditionally I find that the VNM base is much better at transmitting the different characteristics of different vehicles within the same sim. Combine that with noticeably less cogging than the Asetek base and the overall impression is simply amazing. All in all I am having so much fun with this base, it really is a big step up from the Invicta to me. As Will says, if this is just the starting point for the software, this is just going to get better and better.

[@jeremymartinez6024]

You really experienced cogging with the Asetek base?

[@texnorthman]

​@@jeremymartinez6024 Yeah, all wheelbases I've ever tried have had cogging to some degree. The Asetek Invicta was MUCH better than my older CSL DD 8Nm base, but you could still feel it while standing still in the sim, and you could feel it quite obviously while the base was off. On the VNM base I can baaaarely feel it when the base is off or sat in windows, and in game it is just not there, can't feel it at all. Not sure how they've done it but the base feels so incredibly smooth and natural it has blown me away. I've spent some time this evening testing the Telemetry mode too, and that could be a game changer! I dare say, it transforms ACC's force feedback into something that feels more like the old AC, but more stable 😯

[@buddy5088]

@@jeremymartinez6024I own the Invicta and never felt cogging. I’ve owned the Simagic Alpha, Logitech G Pro, and now Invicta. The Asetek Invicta is the best base I’ve used.

[@JoFandango]

@@buddy5088 I don't feel any cooging with my alpha U either but it doens't mean that @texnorthman is wrong in what he feels !

[@Hardcaslte]

@@buddy5088 Yeah I kind of feel like maybe his was a bad unit? I mean I have a 3 year old VRS DFP and have never felt cogging during use. I mean fine, if the wheel is off and I gently hold it with two fingers and move it in a circle there's a vague cogging, but so what? It's non existent during actual use.

[@markrivers4308]

I have the pedals, shifter and e-brake from VNM, great quality and they offer amazing support too!

[@KeithZim]

What caused you too need support? "works out of box" is the single most important feature we all want and new companies rarely achieve this.

[@markrivers4308]

@KeithZim after support, I deal with Tran directly and he's the nicest person and goes above and beyond (it's normally user error as in me!)

[@CHRISBOGGETT]

@@KeithZim For me it was adding device id to older titles, almost certain that is a universal issue for all brands

[@MontyDGrt]

Appreciate your honest take on this wheel.

[@socrateresorts1963]

Good to see new competitors, keep up the good work will.

[@tonygeddes9558]

More than happy with my SC2P, but more competition is always a good thing.

[@JALJRRACING]

They are also adding haptics a formula and round wheel soon they got motion as well. They also have an active pedal and new hshifter/seq coming as well.

[@Rene_Bo]

Nice to see new developers pushing the rest of the market. I do beleive Simucube also is working on something like this telemetry mode. It will be interesting to feel the difference

[@g.s.8108]

I have their Shifter V1, Seq shifter V2 and Rally Handbrake. VNM has the best customer service that I have ever experienced in the Sim community.

[@anonym8951]

i am using the V1 pedals and love them, fantastic quality and feeling Thanks for the video

[@dinonuggies2276]

Same. I was kinda sceptical when i bought them cause back then there wasnt much info about them, but they are really amazing. Never ever felt any need to upgrade them, other than haptic feedback cause its kinda cool. Gonna try mounting the new simagic motor somehow lol

[@miggo-31]

Another great video Will! Looking forward to your next upload

[@devintolliver92]

The shifter mounting makes me happy. Have no idea why some brands do bottom mount only and force you to buy a plate or clamp. Hope VNM builds a hydraulic pedal.

[@AdamsOlympia]

Been using VNM Lite pedals for the last year and a half. They've been all I could hope for. No plans to ever upgrade, unless I eventually swap the brake out for an active pedal.

[@bmwM3M5M6]

Could the wheelbase shaft be any bigger ? VNM: YES 😂

[@Hardcaslte]

I'd be curious how the telemetry system feels. I have a VRS DFP and I feel like everything you're saying is missing from the feeling in the wheel is exactly what I get from rF2/LMU. Braking, trail braking, and accelerating out of the corner is super detailed, including rumble strips and things like the bumpy road at Sebring. I also have a bass shaker under my seat and pedals, so maybe I'm combining all of that in my mind without realizing it since it's been over a year since I only had a wheel without bass shakers.

[@CHRISBOGGETT]

It is different sensation you are describing, LMU is amazing and this VNM runs it well without the telemetry ffb, as it not added yet for this game. Its just so much better with telemetry ffb in ACC though. Like he said in video "beyond anything he felt before" and he has played LMU

[@philmarsden9594]

these look like more 3rd shift products. interesting the thrustmaster esq qr is the one they have....taken inspiration from. thanks for the review dude, more competition is only good for us consumers :D

[@caaarlos]

A missed argument for the wheel vs the GT Neo is that the wheel needs to be able to withstand 32nm. Many brands sell wheels that might crack under the maximum force of the wheelbases they are bundled in.

[@Bamamarama]

VNM is killing it!

[@professorrob]

Great review. I have the normal VNM pedals with the base plate and damper kit, absolutely love them. I then bought the h-patter/sequential shifter as well as their handbrake. Very happy with all their gear. As other have said the support/service is very good, answer all my questions very quickly. The wheelbase looks interesting, but have a Simucube 2 Pro and a couple of Simcore wheels. Do like the look of their button box, will you ever have a look at the button box?

[@reljaljubobratovic4806]

Thanks for yet another amazing review! One question, this latency that we see at, for e.g. 40:24, is that genuine or maybe some video compositing error? I wouldn't think its the latter, because I know you are generally super careful with such things, which brings me to conclusion this is actual lag. Then at 44:00 you remind us of them using UDP, which in theory could introduce some latency.. not connected, I hope? In any case, for you who are so meticulous with these things, not to call out such lag for me was strange, so I hope this is just an editing error. :) Cheers!

[@boostedmedia]

Looks like a sync issue we missed when editing as the two streams are recorded separately and then Combined later. There’s a little bit of animation lag and a bit of lag between the PC and TV but not that bad.

[@reljaljubobratovic4806]

@@boostedmedia Great, thanks for your answer! Good to hear this is not the fault of the base, as it really sounds promising.

[@anthonyhj559]

Will, will you ever do a review of simnet pedals? They look like a great value.

[@GoezTo11]

That telemetry force feedback sounds a lot like the SimXperience Foundation fffb for the Accuforce.

[@iLiokardo]

that's a hefty quick release shaft. that's gotta be heavy, no? nobody really cares that much about weight in their wheels, but i'm interested in it. i want to know what's most optimal. i think i remember there was a rally driver who wanted a lighter steering wheel and got one.

[@TheIslandIdiot]

Finally! Been waiting for this

[@chepilevski]

I love this base more and more every next day of use! Great video brother 🤛❤️

[@Pustul]

I don’t really understand the difference with the telemetry mode, aren’t all wheel bases using the telemetry from the game to drive the FFB motor?

[@ursinesaturn6723]

32Nm! Love my VNM handbrake and shifter. Pedals look nice but don't think I need that much power in a wheelbase

[@louiienation8497]

Would you say this is better than Simagic? I'm thinking of upgrading to Simucube but I feel Simagic is about neck to neck with Simucube.

[@chubbs6504]

After doing research being in a simular situation i went with a Alpha U. The wheelbase was on sale for $800.The Simucube pro 2 is $1350 Theres not a $550 diffrence in feeling.Hope that helps.

[@caaarlos]

Check out popo meter telemetry on wheelbases the guy said simcube software filters seemed to barely dampen the details while smoothing the signal in a very uncanny way that no other base does. But tbh I think most higher end bases are catching up

[@CHRISBOGGETT]

GT neo is £324 with the maglink for me and the GT1 I paid £381, after seeing GT neos break in two I thought the solid build of the GT1 was a better buy

[@trevz1048]

I've got the gt wheel and it's a solid piece of kit I'm surprised Will didn't like it more than it comes across here build quality is top notch

[@caaarlos]

That’s what I thought… too good to be true. There is s as reason this wheel is expensive, maybe it won’t crack with 32nm 😅

[@John-ok8ts]

I have the handbrake and seq shifter V2. Great quality gear. I'm surprised will didn't like the shifter more. It actually has a proper wheel mechanism like a real dogbox, a bit like the pro sim seq shifter and not.just a spring loaded ball.

[@g.s.8108]

I have the shifter too. It feels great but is loud. I can hear it through headphones. Fortunately, I can hide in the basement when using it but I see where the criticism comes from.

[@John-ok8ts]

@@g.s.8108 It is loud but so are all of the sequential shifters that have this kind of mechanism. The pro-sim one which is arguably the best and over 1K has this issue too. I suppose VNM have a bit of work to do with their brand positioning. If this is a mid tier product I can see that argument which the price suggests but that's less of a concern if you think of it as a high end product.

[@g.s.8108]

@@John-ok8ts Id be more critical of it if it was a higher priced product. For $1K I would want better. Overall, I love my VNM stuff. Solid feel to everything. I think even the slight rattle that Will had is negligible on mine and not noticeable when driving.

[@John-ok8ts]

@@g.s.8108 Yea I don't have any play or rattle. Same with my handbrake. tbh I'm not really sure what more a sequential handbrake could improve on apart from looks although I do wish the little feet was a single piece rather than there being a gap between the shifter and the profile.

[@eliocaturra]

Guys, I have a Fanatec Clubsport DD and I'm buying a Next Level Racing F-GT Elite cockpit. Should I get the wheel plate edition and mount the wheel base from the bottom or should I buy the Front and side mount edition and mount it from the sides?

[@davidcupra4913]

Hey will off topic but will u be reviewing the Fanatec v2 handbrake?

[@boostedmedia]

yes

[@davidcupra4913]

@ thanks.

[@KeithZim]

I think we should consider Fanatec non-existent at this point. I had to stop buying Corsair due to nothing lasting more then a couple of years. For this reason I want long term testing for all new fanatec products. "How if feels" is not useful information until we know it will last long enough to get used to it. .

[@davidcupra4913]

@@KeithZimeh ok 😂

[@John-ok8ts]

​@@KeithZimHow's that different to any company. They all have their issues.

[@John-ok8ts]

Sounds like they built in irffb into their software. I wonder what the lag is like. Because it's in the wheelbase software it might be better than irffb but there will still be a delay over direct input.

[@boostedmedia]

Discussed this in the video. Didn't notice any additional latency and it's something i do notice running IRFFB.

[@John-ok8ts]

@@boostedmedia Strange I must have missed that. Ok thanks for clearing that up. btw There will still be a delay. Essentially this is like a filter done within the software of it's driver rather than by the wheelbase itself plus I think there's a slight delay even receiving the telemetry however the less hops it takes the less noticeable it becomes. I'm not too sure how I feel about this if I'm honest but I guess gear is just another arms race.

[@TkoddaLee]

I’m shopping around and looking for my first racing sim for me and my son and only 2 brand have good price Fanatec and Moza…All the other brand is expensive as a used car

[@freebolt5913]

How can one compare the Simagic GT Neo ( all plastic ) wheel, to the VNM GT ( all aluminum ) wheel.

[@matta2738]

Can you connect the shifter and handbrake together using the second usb on the shifter?

[@limpetarch98k]

Hey Will, contact me whenever the second h-pattern shifter comes out and I get my hands in it. Dont ask why.

[@discover62]

Outstanding 👍

[@CatchiestWorm12]

I've noticed that Sim Motion is supposed to stock these in the US but for some reason the page just hasn't existed since release. It just gives a 404 error.

[@zillaspec9244]

out of stock

[@ow1ShinoXr]

So on non-telemetry ffb, how does this compare to simucube 2 pro?

[@GapsExist]

First thing I see in the video as I start and pause is that Thrustmaster-like lever on the wheel side QR.... 😬

[@Rezamajedi]

A lot of real car using same quick release So they did not copy Thrustmaster

[@GapsExist]

@@Rezamajedi I'm not saying they copied it, it was more an observation based on this being the contentious perceived weak point of the Thrustmaster than allows for wiggle room and flex.

[@limpetarch98k]

⁠@@GapsExistThe design to me has a lot more in common with VRS than Thrustmaster. But take my opinion with a grain of salt because despite my " relation " with VNM boiling down to just yapping on the internet, VNM loved my specifications for a dedicated h-pattern so much they are working on it full time.

[@TheSimRacingHub.]

@@limpetarch98kwhat

[@devintolliver92]

Yea not a fan of the clamp. I wonder if it saves weight compared to the NRG style QR's?

[@dibull_trades]

Do you think the extreme base is a good upgrade from a fanatec dd+ (15nm)? I am quite okay with the 15nm but the responsiveness of the vnm extreme would be a good upgrade?

[@Romad_20]

I'm curious on this as well. I've been contemplating the SM Alpha Ultimate too

[@PaulChoix55]

haven't tried the DD+, but i've had the VNM DD for a few months. I personally love it, having tried the simucube 2 pro and ultimate multiple times, the VNM DD is really not far behind. I even prefer it to the Asetek wheelbases, where the ffb felt weirdly muted and bland compared to the Simucube offerings and the VNM. but bear in mind what was said in the video is true, the feedback and software both sometimes feel a little immature, lacking some refinement. On the plus side, there are frequent software and firmware updates though which progressively get the product more refined, and VNM's team is super responsive to constructive feedback, they're very nice to work with!

[@jeremymartinez6024]

@@PaulChoix55first time I’ve heard anyone call the Asetek wheelbase muted or bland

[@PaulChoix55]

@jeremymartinez6024 probably a bad setup, and it was in AC so nothing to help! It had a weird springy feel to it, it was precise but had that weird damping going on. I'd love to try it with a good profile in ACC or iRacing, i wish it would change my mind about Asetek!

[@KeithZim]

Now that Corsair will be milking Fanatec for returns via redesigns that are cheaper to make it's good to have another serious competitor.

[@licksta611]

You’re full of it.

[@alex.germany]

omg: For me, there are far too many options on the sim racing market these days. Nobody can keep track of it all anymore... Nevertheless, thank you very much for the great information as always.

[@Sithhy]

Just get whatever is in your price range

[@Thegoodsherman2]

​@@SithhyEverything is in my price range. But that doesn't make it any easier for me at all. 🤷🤔✌️

[@-YELDAH]

Yeah i took the route of comparing every option and it did make me a little crazy... Namely avoiding bias, understanding potential black friday sales, what i want out of an ecosystem, it goes on and on

[@Scott-kk1qx]

Nice, but too expensive.

[@masprofx]

"... isn't absolutely fantastic ..." 😅

[@brulaapgaapmeester8052]

At my age I can't even lift 32nm.

[@chubbs6504]

Meh

[@lsudx479]

I hope he made a 3 minute summation video. I'm not watching this entire video.

[@LeonaMucha]

Who spends 2000$ on a wheel base with 3# nm of torque u are never gonna use that and u havnt even got a wheel yet

[@Romad_20]

They don't make them for no reason. Maybe you don't need it, but some might. 🤷‍♂️

[@maximravinet9950]

If you ever lay your hands on simucube equipment, you'll get it. It's super expensive but the ffb is some kind of divine gift to humanity

[@bobbymoto1675]

@Romad Ehh, they kinda do. You are never going to use 32Nm, even if you are some kind of jacked monster driving only vintage downforce cars without power steering.

[@Romad_20]

​@bobbymoto1675 maybe. I don't think anyone is talking about the need of the strength but the headroom and details are what are always referenced. I have a 15nm, so I have no first hand experience.

[@Lenduya]

It costs 1.3k...

[@licksta611]

32 nm of peak torque is a marketing gimmick. Complete overkill.

[@LuCallofDuty1]

No. It means you'll get a better feeling at lower ffb settings.

[@caaarlos]

Lightweight baby 😂

[@licksta611]

@@LuCallofDuty1 not necessarily, holding torque is more important value than peak. But they don’t say what the holding torque is.

[@LuCallofDuty1]

@@licksta611 you're right, but it's still indicative