@@steskinner3713 I have yet to see anyone (regardless of difficulty setting) make it through the house of sovereigns berserker section on their first play-through without dying. Even if you're perfect, that AI controlled Dom will inevitably get himself killed.
@steskinner37134 ай бұрын
@@mvanvoor Didn't even know I had to use the Berserker to break the doors on the first playthrough, so I used grenades on the first two doors, then Dom died a thousand times before figuring out I need it to break the last door. Painful, yet funny experience...
@Thearibiter-m2z4 ай бұрын
The gears of war team have the best banter Bit like my elites wort wort wort
@MaidenMick6644 ай бұрын
The Berserker level, I started having flash backs of anxiety!!! lol
@TheArisStoss4 ай бұрын
I remember being younger and hating Gears because nothing could be better than Halo. Then I finally played and thought "Gears has room to be cool too" lol
@Pachyzookeeper4 ай бұрын
I wasnt a fan of gears 1 because it had that “army of 2” vibe like humanity was the size of a walking dead population. But when 2 came out? Mindset changed
@mvanvoor4 ай бұрын
I remember being younger and having to be convinced to give Gears a try because I really didn't like Halo. So when the friend who tried to get me into Halo tried to get me into Gears it took a bit. I'll be re-trying Halo soon though, so we'll see if goes better for me... lol.
@TheArisStoss4 ай бұрын
@@mvanvoor bruh I still play Halo... ALL OF THEM lol
@mvanvoor4 ай бұрын
@@TheArisStoss Probably within the next week we'll be starting an in-order playthrough of all the games.
@HandsomeCR3 ай бұрын
Gears is awesome but nothing but nothing is better than bungie halo
@FireAngel-zt4gt4 ай бұрын
The people at 1:06:27 are called Stranded. They're the survivors from the initial Locust invasions and for one reason or another, aren't able to (or choose not to) make their way back to human territory. They were effectively abandoned by the COG and hate them for being left behind to be slaughtered by the Locust.
@danielknowles72164 ай бұрын
Great to have you back
@smoothtrooper7814 ай бұрын
30:30 very valid reaction to seeing that particular villain 😂
@salthcreative55404 ай бұрын
Haha, that slow-walk by Dom killed me, it's like he's actively trying to troll
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
right!!!
@pumpkinLive4 ай бұрын
Boltok pistol that you picked up is very good, especially when you get a headshot. Yes, you can chainsaw your enemies if you get close enough. Hammer of dawn is a situational weapon. When Anya says it's offline, swap it for something else. There will always be one to pick up if you need it for the plot.
@Elderpredator4 ай бұрын
Nothing is better than watching jonsey play gears of war with a lovely cup of tea by my side 😊
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
😊thank you Elder
@garyhigh80994 ай бұрын
Gears of war ultimate is kind of a remaster but not, was upgraded to try play on PCs I wouldnt worry about the lag its an heavy resources game, isn't much they can do to fix the lag they would need to completely remake the game from the ground up
@deathtoraiden20804 ай бұрын
When an unstoppable force meets a moronic object.
@travelross4464 ай бұрын
First gears of war is my favourite later games i found them to be repeative
@Travisjoe314 ай бұрын
Love Dom's slow walk out of the tomb😂
@JasonGreenfield-zg3ne4 ай бұрын
After I've finished watching you play this I'm going to watch your alien isolation playthrough again I miss your funny one liners
@solotravelermart4 ай бұрын
Jonesy is back to kick ass in gears of war 😊
@woodensnail4 ай бұрын
Your face with the hammer of dawn, love the shock and excitement ❤
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
BEST GUN EVER!!🙌
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
Oh yes! Xbox sweat jacket on! I’m excited for this! 😊❤️
@horacehorse2544 ай бұрын
I would say not to worry about too many spoilers for the first Gears of War. Sad fact is that there is A LOT left unexplained by the end. Have to wait for other games to get the lore, and even then it tends to lead to more questions than answers. You were right about The Locust being organized. General Raam (big ugly one with the knife) targeted Kim because he deduced Kim was in charge. Killing him would cause disarray among the soldiers. Or so he assumed… He doesn’t know Marcus. And thus: Doesn’t know who he’s messing with.
@hoemie25874 ай бұрын
Gears is so under reacted!!! You’re going to love it this journey!
@David-fp6qc4 ай бұрын
Regarding the lag try turn settings down to 1080p if it's set to 4k it will push your console to its limit's its also heavy on the game processing Gears of war ultimate on pc is a terrible port
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
it is at 1080p 😭 I think it might be my capture card is about die 💀
@creativename57244 ай бұрын
To answer in a spoiler free way the Big guy who killed Kim is General Raam and he definitely is bad news. The lady speaking about cutting off the head of the snake is Myrrah. She's not a major character in Gears 1 but you'll learn a lot about her over the series.
@tunamatata4 ай бұрын
Always remember playing this as a kid. Brings back nostalgia
@GamePaddyPat4 ай бұрын
Sorry that you have tech problems... it's the worse when something isn't working although it should... Hope it will get better somehow, it worked for all the other games you played on XBox... And on top of that Dom is all like "Step on me, Berserker Mommy! " ... such a dumb Dom... Glad that you're having fun still! Have an amazing day, Jonesy!
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
Tech problems are my life 😂 Thank you so much Patric, I hope you are having a wonderful day
@GamePaddyPat4 ай бұрын
@@JonesySpaceCat Sounds like a tough life! 😂 But I know you're tougher and you'll get more and more experienced to solve all the problems! 🙌 Hope you're having a wonderful day as well, Jonesy! 😊
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
4:57 I love your reaction 😳😅❤️.
@GrabThatOnion4 ай бұрын
Hi Jonesy! 👋 Dom - he just chillin' like he was out on a Sunday walk! 😎🤣 In the meantime, you're just tryin' your damn hardest to get the Berserker outside so you can zap it with the Hammer of Dawn! 😰 Finally, I just wanna say: *NOICE!!!* 😂 Thanks for the awesome upload, Jonesy! Take care and I'll see you in the next one! 😊
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
ONION!!! DOM be chilling WAY to much for my liking!! haha I read NOICE in the voice of Marcus 😂 Thank you so much, as always. I hope you're having a great day
@damacattack84343 ай бұрын
30:38 General RAAM is still that massive tank on Killer Instinct.
@thecircleoft.e.d21214 ай бұрын
The Berserkers of the Locust horde are one of my favourite enemies in the series; they're very scary to go up against, being super aggressive and able to one-hit you makes them a horror experience...like fighting a freight train with a bad attitude on legs. Also, I always forget how dumb the AI is during the Berserker section; primitive 2006 programming shows. Don't worry, I think this is the worst it'll be.
@architectrixsus93654 ай бұрын
Hey! Love the video! I’m not sure if someone said yet, but you should be able to chainsaw enemies by clicking and holding B if your using an Xbox controller😊 You can only chainsaw enemies that are your size or smaller tho😅
@jtking98764 ай бұрын
Great episode, Jonesy. Lag or no, it was entertaining. Are you prepared and willing to give the orders to these guys? Hope you are doing well. Cheers ❤
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
ah thank you King! I'm not sure how long these guys will last with me giving them orders 😂 Hope you're having a great day
@JadenExiled4 ай бұрын
Love the gameplay jonesy much love 👋👋👋❤️❤️❤️🤟🤟🤟😊😊😊
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
1:06:10 yep these people and many others out there in the world Jonesy are all called “Stranded.” They are people who refused to listen or live within the government laws. Because they hold a grudge against the COG as they don’t like them as they used the “Hammer of Dawn” against their own people to combat the Locust. The reason why we heard the voiceover in the introduction cutscene at the beginning said. “Humans denied their enemies control. By destroying their own civilization.” Their families including. 😭.
@Jesus_San4 ай бұрын
Loving how you explore and take your time cuuz I missed a few of the cogs back when I played it but thanks to you got em ! Oh yeah don't know how far you are but you can do executions on downed enemies and it's worth going for 💀
@jean-davidmichaud65564 ай бұрын
Hi thank you for the video, don’t forget to hold press B with your lancer in melee to chainsaw your enemies thank again for what you are doing for us.
@Markimusgaming4 ай бұрын
Tactic I’ve always used when on a difficulty lower than insane (for wretches) is, melee attacks! Typically I use the pistol, one hit kill with a melee! Love this playthrough! I’m currently doing it on my variety channel! And it’s crazy how differently it can be played considering it’s a linear game!
@angelobrewster62934 ай бұрын
32:41 Berserkers are females of the Locust. Unlike their male drones Berserkers are bigger, stronger and way more violently aggressive but blind. Berserkers are also used for reproduction as well, the Locust have a very messed up way of doing it, the Berserker is chained in place and the male drones force themselves on the female one after the other basically raping it.
@KURSEDSOULS6664 ай бұрын
The berserker just casually curb stomps a down but not out Dom 😂😭😳
@steskinner37134 ай бұрын
Gears Of War is a brilliant series. Hope you enjoy playing it. Unfortunately, Dom will get you killed more than the enemies haha
@vanhelsing92454 ай бұрын
The OG Gears of War Berserker scene still haunts me until this day
@JamesMichaelParry4 ай бұрын
Well Jonesy, this will not stand. Never mind the lag, the picture in picture had CORNERS! I had forgotten what you even look like in a square 😂 Another fun one! Great work getting to grips with the Hammer of Dawn and eventually you worked out the Berserker as well - no idea what Dom was doing but hey. Lots more to uncover about the Locust Queen...but IRL Jonesy already knows some of her secrets, I forget how much story carries over into part 2. Looking forward to rediscovering it with you as always. Thanks again for another great entry in a terrific series. Have a crackin' evening.
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
haha yeah, I had to change the way I film to ease up on my poor old potato of a pc 😂 Thank you Jam!! Hope you're having a wonderful day
@clarkestomps4 ай бұрын
The breaker is a fun and scary enemy to go against
@mvanvoor4 ай бұрын
30:07 - This has to be the most awkward looking moment in all of GoW cinematics. I really hope the "90's low budget action movie green screen" effect was deliberate there!
@rockermv104 ай бұрын
Hammer of dawn is freakin' sweet! That is one hell of a gun. Your bad aim makes things interesting lol but you did well. You got this, you will get better. This game is all new to me so we will find out what happens next.
@xMTxcameron4 ай бұрын
The AI during Berserker fights can be really frustrating 🤣. The Berserkers are blind so they react to smell and noise like running around, so the AI is designed to walk really slow and not run to attract the Berserker but it can be frustrating because they won't get always get out of the way 🤣. When the satellites for the Hammer of Dawn go back online the game will give you opportunities to pick the Hammer of Dawn back up again so don't worry about dropping the Hammer for a different gun. You only get a damage boost from getting Perfect Active where you hitting the solid White block of the bar, when you hit the Grey part of the bar you still reload faster but don't get any additional benefits. Some weapons you get additional benefits for Perfect Active reloads for example the Boltok Pistol, the revolver which you were using gets a big fire rate buff to the gun actually doubling the fire rate when Perfect Active Reload it. Although I can't remember if this applied to the Gears 1 Boltok, I think it might have been a change they brought in for Gears 2. When you get Perfect active reloads the buffs are only temporary, it also only affects the amount bullets you actually shot in the next magazine. So if you shoot until you've emptied the magazine and get a Perfect Active reload the whole of your next magazine will have the benefits of an perfect reload, if you only shoot 10 bullets and get a Perfect Active your first 10 bullets have the buffs of an Perfect Reload and the rest of the magazine will do the regular amount of damage. The amount of bullets that are Perfectly Active will flash underneath your gun in the HUD and once they stop flashing that means that the damage buffs and whatever buffs the Perfect Active has given you have gone. This adds a bit of a tactical element on when you think it's more beneficial to reload or not because the damage buffs can be very much significant, it might be more beneficial to hold of reloading and trying to get Actives when you go back into combat. Some enemies can be really tanky and saving full magazines as Perfect Active Reloads can really reduce the amount of ammo you use on some enemies.
@Mike-pd3rd4 ай бұрын
Gears of war is one of my favourite games of all time. I miss those days playing online and chatting with the yanks 😅
@gerald112b4 ай бұрын
Good job with the beserker. And I’m not talking to you Dom. Just played the first 2 titles but now my new Xbox x has arrived I’m going to try and keep up with the Jonseys and start my own playthrough again. Ps I was nebob1 in your twitch chat on Sunday. Seems like a nice place 😃. See you soon Jonsey.
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
ah thank you so much for joining me over on Twitch 😊
@ashtonerby88904 ай бұрын
Well you’re doing a great job mate, you’re getting better at it. The wretches are small creatures that can climb in grates, scream so loud to peirce ears, Beserkers are blind and have great hearing so you had to move slowly so she wouldn’t hear you. The hammer of dawn is a situational weapon that’s used for special situations. It’s getting late so the dawn weapon isn’t going to help so you might want to get a different weapon like the shotgun, the sniper rifle, or the boomshot you had, it’s best to not get attached to a overpowered weapon since they’re not going to be used for a while. Good video, tips, get rid of the hammer of dawn since it’s not going to work or help any further than where you’re going, if you fight the beserker again then move slowly, not fast since it wasn’t Dom’s fault, people forget that they are supposed to walk slowly when facing a blind enemy and it’s funny, use the chainsaw by holding B to kill Locust when you’re close to them
@ironicprofilepic63674 ай бұрын
Dom out here trying to stealth while she's spamming the dinner bell by not walking.
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
what's stealth?😂
@ironicprofilepic63674 ай бұрын
@@JonesySpaceCat ya know, when you put it like that...
@Lee-hr8bw4 ай бұрын
I didnt find the deaths in gears of war as sad and emotional as halo i dont know halo has more heart touching deaths
@nstuck82744 ай бұрын
You can't be serious. >_> Not to be a lad, but.. Tears of War is about tragedy, Halo is about hope. Apples and oranges, no?
@Lee-hr8bw4 ай бұрын
@@nstuck8274 everyone is entitled to Thier opinion and I just find halo more heartfelt emotions than gears of war
@nstuck82744 ай бұрын
@Lee-hr8bw You can just say you've never played gears lol
@Lee-hr8bw4 ай бұрын
@@nstuck8274 I've played all the gears of war game's Some of them are boring Just because you enjoy them doesn't mean I need to Everyone has their own opinions on what their favourite games are and if they are bad going be reviewed in on it
@nstuck82744 ай бұрын
@Lee-hr8bw Right back to ya. Enjoy your Marvel movie shooter, where everything turns out ok. I'm sure the 3 character deaths in the whole 3 games mean the world, lol
@Buggins4 ай бұрын
Of all the places to have that weird lag the beserker fight is not one I'd choose!
@lcfcgrayforeverafox36034 ай бұрын
More great stuff 👍
@mrrationality22134 ай бұрын
The reason why dom was walking with the berserker was because she is blind and she hear you when you run lol.
@Jaksynn4 ай бұрын
The entire part with the berserker can be extremely frustrating with how Dom's ai works. I ended up having a friend jump in for co-op for this part because Dom just wouldn't stop dying. Also, I don't mind the lag, it's still enjoyable to watch you play.
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
44:57 I didn’t mind the lag Jonesy. I think it was because when we were in those rooms with the Berserker there was so much happening with the pillars breaking apart, the running animation for Marcus, and the textures coming in. I think. But I’m good! 😊❤️
@Pachyzookeeper4 ай бұрын
So youll find out who that female voice is and shes a major character in later games, the stranded however. When the cog deployed the hammer of dawn (in the cutscene at the start) they warned everyone if they cant ge tto Ephyra within 3 days theyll deploy the hammer. So the cog killed millions of humans in the strikes and left them for dead. The stranded dont like the cog and the cog sees them as ungrateful for not helping fight the locust
@rjmiggins52964 ай бұрын
I think we all experienced lag during the berserker chase so we're use to it 🤷🏾
@jaysontin18504 ай бұрын
38:00 now you know why he was always called DOM-ASS in the beginning.
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
😂
@RalishazWukong3 ай бұрын
Are the Cog just stuck dealing with a species of genestealers that found themselves in a different dimension?
@mvanvoor4 ай бұрын
37:15 "Have I got to baby-sit this jerk [AI controlled Dom]?!?" Yes. While avoiding the one-hit monster yourself and getting it to run into the smashable doors and doing it before the timer runs out.
@salty4lightning4 ай бұрын
1:06:30 literally the reason why they hate the COG in lore
@Unknown-dg1fj4 ай бұрын
Lets go new episode ❤😂
@echodigger4 ай бұрын
6:24 Pvt Hudson: "We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks..." aaaaand the Hammer of Dawn ! Glad to see you're enjoying all that power. One of the coolest weapons ever in a game.
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
2:55 yeah the Wretches are fast but they are easy to get rid of in a couple of shots or you can just melee them too as one hit gets them as well. But they are basically I would call them “dogs”. As the Locust uses them like dogs. 😊
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
42:08 Dom was about to “dance” with the Berserker.” By slow walking 😂❤️
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
Great video Jonesy. Oh man, I hope you are ready and see why people say “It’s getting dark.” And I hope you got rid of the targeting laser for the Hammer of Dawn. Because it’s going to not help you ahead of you. 😊❤️.
@buzzkillington69454 ай бұрын
Is the lag also happening for you on your console? If it's just the video recording then it is no problem
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
I think its my capture card 😭
@damaniqphillip27564 ай бұрын
Excellent ❤❤
@spatulagames98814 ай бұрын
I feel like with a game like this, you should have unlimited ammo and no reloads!
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
ha, that would be amazing!
@eric80314 ай бұрын
It is laggy that’s how it lags for me too on Xbox one x
@TheYeaRdPr0jEcT4 ай бұрын
You should play gears of war 2,3,4 and 5 next. 😁😎
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
ok
@saints96.4 ай бұрын
Couple of times there I thought you were going to fry yourself with the hammer of dawn 😅 hope you enjoy the rest of the game as much as I did and still do 👍
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
OMG I LOVE THE HAMMER OF DAWN SO MUCH!! Thank you Saint, I've completely fallen in love with the game already. Hope you're having a wonderful day 🙌
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
47:45 one of the most popular enemies in gears. Boomers! 🥳❤️. Yep, Jonesy. That’s their names. And to let you in on a tip. When they say “Boom.” Take cover. 😁
@ammrshfz4 ай бұрын
"Nice!!!!"
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
🙌
@gaminglegend12114 ай бұрын
Gears Of War KICKS ASS Welcome Back Beautiful 🌹
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
34:10 that question will soon be answered on who was talking. 🤭 in do time
@SpartasEdge4 ай бұрын
If you think the first game is good (which in fairness, it is); wait until you play the others; the story really ramps up from the second game.
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
I can't wait!
@jm25274 ай бұрын
It's Xbox Girl 🤗
@russman744 ай бұрын
lag in gears 1 is a right of passage so you are a rookie gear head now congrats 🤣
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
😂😂
@lindablackley49164 ай бұрын
fun watching you , good story lots of monster, an bad guys to shot, going to play this again tomorrow, so im going to reload game , an try an get to level you are at by the time , u start part 3,keep it up u will get used to the control buttons in no time lolololo😄💯❣👍👍👍👍
@jonathantyner1714 ай бұрын
33:10
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
splat!
@christophersimmons87094 ай бұрын
Another amazing playthrough Jonesy ❤❤😁😁.
@israloco044 ай бұрын
Berserker, Boomers and corpser (the spidey thing), And get rid of the hammer, when you hear that this offline no longer works, it is better to grab other weapons like the Bomshot. Nice video private, Keep it up
@adammanneh46924 ай бұрын
It's funny how the Beserkers are like the Gears of War Universe version of a Hulk! Hope your weekend is a good'un Jonesy! 🫡
@joechialastri77274 ай бұрын
No worries about the lag. If anyone stops watching because of that, it's their loss. The lag is nothing major. Anyway, good thing to come home to after having a first readthrough of a show I'm doing next month. English Restoration style show no less so it's all connected. Glad you decided to play this because I'm enjoying finding out what's happening alongside you. It feels like we're solving a mystery together while drinking whiskey and pinning bits of evidence to a wall with red string connecting them.
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
36:28 yep Dom died. Yeah, that’s the one thing I hate in these gears games is the ai. Because it’s mostly you that has to take care of this. And the ai is dumb mostly in this game. Oh 2006 game mechanics. 😩
@thecircleoft.e.d21214 ай бұрын
Dom? More like...Dumb! lol
@Kaneyane4 ай бұрын
Bro you comment way too much 😭😭
@seannorth69684 ай бұрын
Outstanding playthrough jonesy the perfect Sunday gaming episode i could wish for & congratulations on nearly 20k so proud of YOU 🙏💖🎉🌻🐝
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
thank you sean
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
46:15 you will regret it Jonesy for keeping the targeting laser. 🤭
@dillonlicastro28724 ай бұрын
Wish I can play them over gears 3 was my favorite.. you are getting into some real good games 👀.. saints row 1 and 2 only is a fun one
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
30:29 oh yes, one of the most scariest Locust ever. You will see him again soon as well as the name. But let’s just say he is basically the Thanos of the Locust. 😊❤️.
@MysticGaming334 ай бұрын
Hi Jonesy hope your doing well, really enjoyed this video this episode was just Berserk such a great game, I don't mind the lagging its still very enjoyable to watch, hope you have a great day 🙂
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
ah thank you Mystic. I'm so glad you're enjoying this series so far. Hope you're having a great day 😊
@MrPonU7174 ай бұрын
Good to see your beauty again. This game will only get better the further you get into it. All questions will be answered in due time.
@christophervalentino66924 ай бұрын
This is a great start but the A.I. in this game was so bad.
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
32:45 yep this scene and this chapter of Act 1 was the start of the true horror of the Locust. Berserkers. That scream and the way it runs is really terrifying. 😰.
@predetor9114 ай бұрын
As much as I like Halo, it was Gears of War that convinced me to buy an Xbox 360. I freakin love this franchise. Jonesy when the hammer of dawn is offline it’s just dead weight. The game will give another one if it becomes available again.
@RogerDTemple4 ай бұрын
I’m really enjoying this Game. I am surprised too! Bugs and a badass girl villain. I like that! 😂
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
Bugs and a badass girl villain.... LETS GOO!!!
@RogerDTemple4 ай бұрын
@@JonesySpaceCat I like the sound of that! Well.. maybe not the Bugs part! 😂 🐛
@Michelle_Banks4 ай бұрын
Classic move of forgetting the buttons, I am in that Boat. Hah it would be cool if we got a female villain! The story so far it interesting! 🤗
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
there is room enough on the Jonesy boat 😂
@Michelle_Banks4 ай бұрын
@@JonesySpaceCat I am glad I’m not alone! Lol 🤗
@trisb72514 ай бұрын
Jonesy, I wouldn’t call the Locust “aliens”. They are monsters to them.
@playersgame3234 ай бұрын
Stop saying I pushed the wrong buttons. I sleep on the wrong side of the bed don't give a puck. 😂😂
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
no
@OneOddTodd634 ай бұрын
Lag Of War! 🤣 I'm kidding. I'm guessing the bit with the beserker just had so many moving parts the console just couldn't keep up with everything? IDK. No experience with the various Xboxes.
@JonesySpaceCat4 ай бұрын
haha Lag of War 😂 I think the game was just to awesome for it's self Hope you're having a wonderful day Todd 🙌
@Lexituller4 ай бұрын
Way off topic but you should play call of duty again literally every campaign besides black ops 3 and vanguard are worth playing