This faulty EV isn't just worthless, it's a £1,400 liability! Renault Zoe battery lease mobilise rci

[@colinmcnally5931]

8 years old and its beyond economic repair! My VW Passat 1.9tdi is coming up to 20 years old and has years and years left in it!!

[@sherriepalmer7089]

Mine too! 1998 VW Passat 1.9tdi estate still going strong. Plus great visibility and very comfortable seats.

[@therealchayd]

I get the feeling that those 1.9 TDi engines will outlast the universe 🤣

[@MyKharli]

Think of all those emissions !

[@steinbauge4591]

@@MyKharli think of what a simpleton you are

[@1738Creations]

2004 Micra. 60+ mpg around town and at if cruising just under 70mph if I ever have to take the underpowered heap of crap on the motorway. Fewer emissions than a coal plants powering electric cars and no child labour, destroying and polluting their poorer countries by mining rare minerals for disposable cars which are designed for a life span of around 5 years. Laugh at me in my Micra while I'm saving the planet.

[@geekhomeuk]

Glad I stumbled across your channel, will be following with interest. We bought a Zoe for our first EV, thought the idea of leasing the battery to keep the cost down was ideal so bought and used the car, when buying the car we were told the easiest way to end the battery lease was to go back and P/X with Renault as doing it privately had all the lease and credit check etc to be done. After the fixed term agreement ended RCI wrote and said we had to reapply for another lease and go through a credit check again, stating if we failed what options we had which was return the battery etc, bizarre when we own the car! We refused and just left it, seems like they then just took the same amount each month and that was it. Fast forward to when we're looking to sell it, called RCI, they gave us a buyout price of £1400 or said go back to Renault and they take over straight away, so we did this and bought a Nissan Leaf, after a few months we got letters saying we owed money on the lease of the battery, put late payments on credit file. We called RCI, and they said just because the dealer had the car we still had to pay the lease until they sold it to someone else, and that took 3 months therefore we owed that, told them to stick it, made a complaint and eventually they dropped it and said it was closed with "goodwill". Never will touch them again and they need to be dragged through Courts as I don't believe what they are doing is legal.

[@garycevrepairs]

Wow mad, thanks for the info!

[@rkan2]

No wonder the leasing scheme is not compatible even with all EU countries or when exporting the cars to other countries. 😂 It is a joke

[@Craig-wp3pz]

Back street lots and shade tree mechanic's are now more trustworthy than 'Stealerships' 😮😅

[@TheBlibo]

Hi you are obviously doing OK out of these used zoes. I remember about 8 or ten years ago thinking about going fo a zoe as a computer car to do about 200 miles a week the cost of the car (new) was favorable and then we started to talk battery rental, after plugging the numbers I was astounded that the rental was considerably more expensive than the cost of the diesel I was putting into my shogun for the same 200 miles a week, I had to politely walk away from a rather poor deal. And I am rather glad to have done so as it would seem that all EV's depreciate rater fast and repair costs and insurance have gone through the roof All said and done Very informative vid

[@AndyFletcherX31]

Reading an online copy of the lease contract it appears you need to return the battery to them. There is nothing in the contract that says it has to be within the vehicle. So the approach would be to contact them in writing (certified letter) at their registered address requesting them to state where in the UK they would like the battery to be delivered on a suitable pallet. Repeat this after a month reminding them that you will not accept any responsibility for costs resulting from their delay. You could also state that you will be charging them for storage if they don't respond in a reasonable time. Might be worth spending a few quid to get a letter sent from a solicitor so they can't deny that you tried to contact them. Thereafter send out storage bills and spend £50 at the small claims court when they don't pay up. The trick is to precisely follow the letter of the contract...

[@khalidacosta7133]

Absolutely 100%. O2 changed my phone contract against my wishes. Rang up to cancel it. Promised I wouldn't be charged. Rang them again warning if I am charged for the contract at cancellation, I will be charging them £20 per DAY. 2 weeks later... £750 went out of my account from O2. Contacted them and due to their processes it was 2 weeks before they actually got back to me. Then said money would be in my account... nothing appeared as the refund price was far too high... in the end it took around 2 months. £1200 charge and £750 for the original payment. I assume someone would have been fired over this.

[@rkan2]

I so want to so see this tbh! I would pay to see!

[@onslimited]

If the lease contract states states what you said on the video, then you took over the lease and you are liable. Does not matter what you think is fair or unfair. The lease was signed and accepted with the terms and conditions and you took over the lease.

[@khalidacosta7133]

​@@onslimited Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977... Besides, any disambiguate in a contract benefits the party which did not draft the contract, i.e the consumer.

[@stevemorris3710]

100% agree on charging RenOught storage fees for their property.

[@nonsequitor]

Nice line up of broken 66 plates 😲🤦‍♂️😂.....but they are Renault so not surprised - neither should anyone be. It's not an EV problem, it's a crappy quality modern car market problem (Google wet belt if you don't know already). People have lost understanding of anything technical, and buy stuff eyes closed. They buy a new crappy mobile phone for £1k every year. Cars are just the same. No concept of quality because people don't care. It's customer's faults for supporting crappy car quality.

[@therealchayd]

Totally agree, i've got a nearly 10 y/o BMW EV with over 100k miles on it and it's been exceptional, my only costs have been for tyres, MOTs and a new A/C condenser.

[@markbriggs5531]

My thoughts exactly. Renault don't exactly have a stellar reputation for longevity. The motor bearing problem is common on the Zoe's and they don't even use brushless motors!

[@careyparker2673]

Thank you for funding these informative EV videos. Just put a £60 exchange starter motor ony my diesel transit connect to get it back on the road so i sympathise with your financial pain. Will be in diesel vehicles until im forced to make the change...to petrol

[@AndyPipkin-dj8sy]

insanity on all levels from the cars reliability to the scams on the battery

[@richbrice3299]

Very interesting. You have confirmed all my worst fears. our newest car is 2015. Faultless and I expect it to run for another 10 years without issue. You're a brave man and I like your channel, but these cars are the opposite of green!

[@GoGreenAutos]

RCI have always made a shambles of the battery lease scheme. The lease agreement is badly written and not fit for what it's intended for. They are useless at admin, so many leases are not being paid as direct debits have not been setup even when they have the signed agreements. They've made a big balls up of the whole thing. This then also shows when your vehicle is at the end of it's life as there's no proper processes to manage these batteries.

[@typxxilps]

same issues in germany with the lease bank and the battery - slow or no communication until you might be in a weak position or made a fault then they will sent the cavallry of lawyers sooner or later. But consumer rights and clubs seem to be here far stronger cause they would take renault bank to court. At the end it depends how well people are prepared for a battle or simply retreat once Renaul cavalary had appeared on the battlefiedl. And that is it : a car producer fighting a battle and they will wonder why no one wants to buy a renault EV.

[@fredscratchet1355]

Buy an EV they said, they're miles cheaper to run, they're super efficient and servicing costs are next to nothing. And yet here you are with cars less than 10 years old and negligible miles and you are saying they are scrap because they are uneconomical to repair. Battery faults, motor faults, siezed bearings and damaged housings. No wonder those poor people gave you the car, it must have been like a millstone round their necks. I will never be able to afford one but wouldn't bother if I could. Call me a luddite but my 13 year old Yeti is still going strong and passing mot's, if it breaks I'll sell it to WeBuyAnyCar and at least get something back for it.

[@petersimms4982]

Don’t buy a legacy auto EV , buy Chinese 🇨🇳👍😉

[@davidedgar7338]

if the yeti breaks, buy a vag-com, not a new car. you can reassign used parts with that and recode them in. 😂

[@janisvaskevics93]

​@@petersimms4982china cars are like condoms - disposable. And due to tariffs, they are not cheap as well.

[@fredscratchet1355]

@@petersimms4982 No!🤣

[@salnaturile8653]

Wouldn't bother with WBAC , unless you really want just over scrap value for a car that would probably still be worth 3 or even 4 figures- don't forget as the 2030 deadline looms used car values (by that I mean ICE obviously) are only set to increase !

[@keithhooper6123]

Driving a car,and pick up.Truck 22 years old,car 17 years old,.The two cost me £6000,used,and had no major breakdowns or parts to replace.

[@TL-xw6fh]

I'll never ever buy a French car, EV or ICE or hybrid. They are simply not worth the hassle.

[@Goodchappy]

Gary, you're a star. I'm so glad I traded my old 2016 ZE22 Zoe in 3 years ago but with all these failures, I have no confidence about the longevity of my 3 year old Zoe 50. It's been ok so far but Renault don't seem to want to answer any questions and my Renault dealer dismisses any stories that I read on these groups.

[@garycevrepairs]

Thanks. Fortunately the ze50 has a 5 year warranty! You can also extend it before it expires which I’d recommend for peace of mind and it will help the value of the car as buyers will see the continuing warranty as a big benefit. Cheers

[@Goodchappy]

Wow, quick response! Any idea how much they charge for extended warranty and is it 1 year at a time?

[@garycevrepairs]

Not sure tbh! Thanks

[@stevetodd7383]

5 years is pretty poor for a modern EV power train. Most manufacturers give you eight.

[@Goodchappy]

​@@stevetodd73838 years battery warranty, not 8 years for the car. Best is Kia 7 years for the car.

[@wizzyno1566]

Battery leases were always a stupid idea. On a per mile cost they were about the same as running a diesel, but with the obvious future problems you raise in this video. The older battery lease zoes should all be worthless.

[@LC-km9kp]

Why is this not classified as E-waste like white goods

[@garycevrepairs]

That is a very interesting point because companies that sell batteries are actually liable for their disposal at end of life. That’s what shops have battery bins as they sell and therefore have to dispose of old batteries. There is a company called ecobatt that are setting up EV battery recycling and will charge the car manufacturer for the costs of recycling/disposal since they are responsible for it! Currently though they seem to get away with doing nothing about it ! Cheers

[@contra_plano]

My ten years Zoe still works. It had a problem with brakes, my compressor is doomed since i buyed it six years ago, but still works, one speaker was "burned", and the air bag light is on when it is more than 35°C.... When it says 20km of range, it has only 10. I have to wait more 3 years to replace it for an second hand EV3.

[@tadhgcronin175]

I see people driving around in brand new EVs like Kia or Hyundai, around 40k, these will be worth half of the money after 6 months.

[@garycevrepairs]

Second hand electric cars that are still under manufacturers warranty is the smart place to buy I reckon !

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

A Leaf can be purchased, pre-registered, delivery mileage only, for less than half price. (£31k vs £15k).

[@pdterre5496]

We had a Zoe 50 and were very happy with it except that it was imported from Germany and lacked sufficient heating for Finnish winters. Leased batteries are none existent here and after this vid I am happy for that!

[@garycevrepairs]

Fortunately no battery lease on the ze50 here either, wife now has a ze50!

[@robsmith1a]

I bought a new ZE40 in 2017 and paid for the battery - turned out to be a great decision (massive discounts then too so the car was still less than £18K with Black metallic paint). The battery lease would have been about £950 per year and there was an 8 year warranty on the battery anyway)

[@richrdlewis6278]

1 good story out of 100. Read the room mate, they're shite.

[@julianpower8037]

Great video. Few things. They have actually increased the battery buyout price and now everyone is being asked for £2048. Mine was £1400 3 years ago when I last asked. This is dodgy as you can’t easily sell it with a lease because they are so slow to transfer it! RCI finance get over 100 complaints a day according to the FCA. For any business of any size this is appalling. I don’t think you can small claims court until you have suffered a loss which you won’t have done if you follow you plan. Finally if you think the lease terms are not valid why do you even have to remove the battery? Just return the car and demand they take their battery back and you will collect the remains in two weeks.

[@garycevrepairs]

Interesting thoughts. The £1,400 is the fee for Renault to remove the battery and ship it back to France rather than a buyout price which would be higher. Yes they are incredibly slow at doing anything and require constant chasing. They do rather have you over a barrel as cancelling the direct debit would damage your credit rating!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@garycevrepairs I suggest reading the lease terms very carefully, it's unreasonable for any customer to worry about removing batteries on these things, even via a dealer. That's their problem TBH.

[@esm7708]

I'd forgotten about the weird period of battery leasing.

[@AndrewEbling]

Yup - I saw this situation coming with my ZE22 Zoe - battery leased but car starts dropping uneconomical repair surprises. We had a string of suspension repairs, AC compressor, then drivers airbag, followed by more suspension issues. So I part exchanged it (for a poor valuation), buying out the lease as part of the process. But I was happy because it got me out of the liability of what happens when the car is beyond economic repair but you've still got to pay the lease and/or pay for disposal. I did hear about PowerVault making house batteries out of recycled Zoe batteries and wondered about that as an option, but since the car was driveable, I decided to cut my losses while I still could. Ironically, I wouldn't be averse to buying a ZE50, since they are all battery owned and the battery probably has some residual value on 2nd hand market. As you say, Renault really didn't think this through. I suppose it's quids in if you've become one of the most knowledgeable people at fixing otherwise dead Zoes! 😂

[@garycevrepairs]

I think I will spend the rest of my life fixing Zoe’s. 🤪😆

[@taxidude]

My Mondeo TDCI was 16 years old with nearly half a million miles on the clock when I finally sold it and as a taxi, it had a hard hard life!

[@David_Parr]

Great video Gary Purchased my Renault Ze 40 Q90 Outright back in 2017 ( No battey lease) I still have a extented Warranty on it until june 2025 or 100,000 miles The car is now at 83,000 miles so i may still be able to warranty it until 2026 unless the mileage hits 100,000 first.

[@jasonhoyes9046]

Just sold my ze40 to a hyundai dealer still waiting for the transfer to go though been 3 months now . Endless calls to rci not interested in helping all they are interested in is getting there monthly payments. In my opinion They have made all the battery lease zoe worthless and unsaleable Cannot wait till one of these no win no fee jump on them. On the + side hyundai have agreed to pay the monthly fee

[@SaltimusMaximus]

I have done my bit to show my concern for the climate, I just bought a V6 diesel

[@garycevrepairs]

Someone’s got to pay all that fuel duty. Keep it up, then they won’t have to worry about taxing my electricity. Thank you 😘

[@zPezEditz]

My q210 is in a similar situation, I’ve had the motor go on me (motor would cut out with danger electric motor failure error) , replaced the motor at a hevra garage and then they found a fault with the coolant pump so that was replaced for about £1700, a week later the PEB went, waiting for the part now which is another £800, the dealer initial wanted 8k to repair the car and they tried to get me out the lease, but the best solution they could offer was to buy the battery pack out at a cost of over 2k.

[@raymondokonski7018]

I had 2 Leases, in 2012 in a Renault Twizy, then 2014 in a Fluence ZE. Battery leasing was compulsory as there was NO option to purchase, so this is a well-trodden road. I had the battles you described from RCI and I got out of them by trading out (but having to buy a replacement EV) - without a battery lease. I lost all confidence in Renault RCI and would never deal with them again. If you try to sell your car and lease to a private individual- IF they fail the credit check, you remain liable! You could not make it up!

[@janisvaskevics93]

Renault is french term for."stupid". i say that as an owner of quite some renaults - 3 Clios, Megane, Laguna. Next one will unfortunately not be Renault.

[@StephenFarrow-gx6qu]

Don't know why KZbin directed me to this video because I absolutely hate EVs. Useless things. Best of luck mate with your repairs, plenty of business there then. I'll stick with my old 2007 1.2 Nissan Micra. Had the old girl since 2009, she's done 183,000 miles, driven 5 days a week and in all those years has never broken down, still gives me a comfortable 56 mpg and costs me nothing except maintenance. EVs, you can stick them. This of course is just my personal opinion. Have a nice day.

[@garycevrepairs]

🤣

[@beverleybalshaw9119]

In 3 years my Nissan Note has only cost me £396 in mot maintenance (July this year) Never blinked when paying my mechanic. This car has never missed a beat. It's 17 years old. 😂👍. WOE betide anyone who tries to take my old faithful! 😡👊

[@slifox2752]

I paid for mine after the lease… and still have it… I guess it’s worth it to own completely, considering it’s a car to have until battery costs come down… and ev’s are cheaper to buy… I’ll probably get the vw id2 in 2026 so hopefully it’ll last until then…

[@TNT-projects]

So if J BLOGGS set up limited company , collected 200 end of life Zoe’s , for a recovery fee Closes the company .. end of …

[@garycevrepairs]

Well you’d have to take over the battery leases on them…

[@terryhoath1983]

If they have to have the battery in a car to do the tests, it is easy. They take the good battery out of another car. Put the rubbish battery into the hole created by the removal of the good battery, do the tests, remove the rubbish battery and put it back on the pallet, and re-install the good battery ... order the box. .... Simples ! I bet that they would find an easier way of doing the test .... or just pack it up and send it off.with false paperwork. It wouldn't be the first time that a garage has lied about work not done. READ THE SMALL PRINT BEFORE SIGNING ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF THEY START THE SMOOTH TALK, TELL THEM "NO" AND BUY A DIESEL FROM ANOTHER MANUFACTURER

[@borisd7086]

I am aware it looks terrible and some of you might actually be hurt by the lease, but don't forget that these leased battery Zoes were about 8k-10k (I assume) cheaper BECAUSE of it. If it wasn't Renault quality, you'd still all be happily driving the Zoes. We've had the 2015 Zoe for 3 years, 5-8 years of age, and paying something like 60€ per month that amounts to about 5600€ in 8 years, which is still less than the price difference I believe. So the lease itself isn't the problem, it's having all the fair exit scenarious, and that's where, yes, Renault/Mobilize does not have it fully right. If we hadn't sold our Zoe to VW for the new EV and transfered the lease to the dealer (took 3 months, most of it the fault of the dealer this time, but I had to push Mobilize hard as well), we'd be kind of stuck too, I guess. I guess Renault wouldn't look good even if the lease already back then accounted for all the bad cars that are now sitting turds or already decomposed, so it could hardly be a win-win situation back then as it isn't one now ...

[@edmundashworth7532]

I couldn't even be bothered to get involved with this EV nonsense.

[@douglasmorris8364]

'This customer gave this car this to me and even paid for half the transport. That's how must he wanted to get rid of it!' @1:40 🤣😆

[@garycevrepairs]

Yup the battery lease is a nightmare, wasnt properly thought through. Fortunately it’s not available on any new cars, just a gotcha on some older ones.

[@datepalm1969]

Another example of irresponsible UK 🇬🇧 government not protecting its citizens. The UK 🇬🇧 government is responsible for establishing laws that protect consumers against fraudulent providers of products and services, and then amending those laws to counter the deceptive and manipulative practices of unscrupulous organisations. Shame on the UK 🇬🇧 government for not protecting its citizens.

[@RealButcher]

My Smart fortwo 451 Paaion, 125.000 kms and from 2008, so 16 years, still runs fine. Has all the works lik rainsensor / electric windows / light sensors / airco / automatic and always possible to park anywhere. 😂.

[@toyotaprius79]

Has anyone ever heard of Renault fulfilling its decade-old promise to upgrade the kWh of the battery leases on Zoe's, Kangoos. FluenceZEs and Twizys?

[@garycevrepairs]

Heard of one battery lease Kangoo 22kwh that had a battery fault and Renault fitted a 33kwh battery because the 22 is no longer made. The van also had another fault and they also however reset the buyout price so the lease was then £6,500 to buy out… nightmare.

[@richardhaywoodh]

Battery lease buyout price is affected by the date the pack wS last repaired/replaced

[@jeremylister89]

Your Zoe with knocking noise. Try suspension spring. I had this. Two garages could not find the problem. I eventually found it. Impossible to see without using a video camera and light. Snapped in the lower cup.

[@philsimpson3556]

80-90 miles range 😲

[@garycevrepairs]

Yeah there are 3 battery sizes on the Zoe, up to 2016 90 mile range, up to 2019 150 mile range and 2020 onwards 200-220 miles. Cheers

[@Markcain268]

I've never owned a car as young as that!

[@richrdlewis6278]

So end of life cars now, how do we recycle or shall we just let the rot in the ground for our children's future.

[@garycevrepairs]

Hi, most car components are recycled in the same way as always - the EV specific components like motors and chargers contain mainly metals which can be extracted and recycled. Batteries can also be recycled into the components which went in to their construction. This video is very interesting kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWPbo5SoiryJiLM

[@healeydave]

I have no experience of battery leases but it sounds like a dreadful and impractical idea. I get that it was an idea to make the cars more affordable but with the ever decreasing battery costs, I have a feeling Renault will get to a point where administering these leases is not worth the hassle. If you do have a current battery lease and the battery is faulty do they have to replace the battery free of charge since its surely their responsibility to ensure the product your leasing is in good working order???

[@garycevrepairs]

They repair the batteries if necessary. The cells inside the battery are in modules and they can swap a module if one cell becomes faulty. It’s not common as Zoe batteries are very reliable but it does happen. Cheers

[@bmwman1981]

What a surprise a electric french car with electrical faults and that’s why you don’t buy a ev especially a French ev

[@garycevrepairs]

😆

[@PaulClarke-gf5hw]

Situation is actually worse now as mobilize have put up the price of buying out the battery. Mine has gone from £1800 to £3600 in a few months. They say battery costs have increased! I have no idea what would happened if I stopped paying, I suspect nothing but a bad credit rating. I have paid £89 a month for nearly 5 years and feel sure I could have purchased it by now. Renault should just write off these old battery rental cars imo.

[@garycevrepairs]

Ouch 😳

[@AndrewEbling]

@@PaulClarke-gf5hw eeek - glad I got out when I did. Think I paid £1,800 approaching 2 years ago for a 22kwh pack from a 2015 car, with 67k on the clock and ~75% SOH. PX-ed immediately afterwards.

[@presstodelete1165]

I hope you have a tin hat, you're going to see a lot of incomming from people who don't like even genuine negative issues affecting EVs.

[@basbass429]

Cars built like Volvo's of the late nineteens, last on average 20+ years and 250+K miles /400+K km. And are often still worth money. Many Japanese cars from 2000 to 2010 last that long too. EV"s, although actually being popular 100+ years ago, still do not last, charging issue's and energy needs to come from somewhere. And recycling costs a fortune. and and.... The EV is a mega scam!

[@NissanEVOwnersUK]

Very interesting, Gary!

[@bitmanev4331]

So glad I only had a Zoe for 7 months before I kicked it back to Renault

[@crashnreset6987]

Yea... it's worth £3,500..... but buy one from me... for an extra £500 I'll throw in 3 magic beans and a London Bridge ;p

[@hamshackleton]

Ignoring all the irrelevent waffle about returning a leased battery - the motor 'gets stuck' but the bearings are fine - that sounds like the three-phase speed controller has a faulty output transistor, so the motor doesn't know which way to rotate! It could be a simple bad plug connection, or a 'dry joint' on the circuit board. Try swapping the control unit for one from another car!

[@michaelgoode9555]

I am a retired lawyer who did not specialise in contract law, but, ... The principle of acceptance by performance and also the unfair terms in consumer contracts act (not necessarily absolutely verbatim) would be my first port of call. If you contine to pay the lease you are potentially accepting the contract terms but on the other hand, is the requirement onerous and unfair to the consumer? Why would they think through and add in terms to give the consumer an advantage? Since when did a finance company voluntarily advantage their customers?

[@69spook]

I think you said it correct. You did not specialise in contract law.....

[@michaelgoode9555]

And your point is? I still had to study and understand the principles, statute and precedents around contract law.

[@ferrumignis]

​@@69spookAre you unable to present an actual argument rather than "Nuh-uh"?

[@jasonga]

It’s not uneconomical to repair, I am home with mild cancer and I would love something to do, no matter how mush of a job it is, I’d be glad of it…… there is another battery that can be used in it… give them theirs back

[@philiptabberer9796]

Wouldn’t buy an EV especially on a battery lease option. However, to get a legal opinion on the situation, it might be worth having a chat with Blackbelt Barrister. It won’t be a legally definitive answer, unless he knows of a previous case. But it may clarify your position.

[@garycevrepairs]

Great advice. I plan on fixing the car but good advice for anyone in this situation. Thanks

[@rafalklepinski7372]

They're hoping if you're rich enough to buy an EV you're rich enough to default on the battery lease and pay its full purchase price, that is pay a fortune for what amounts to lithium waste so they don't have to deal with the recycling cost. It is indeed ridiculous and a scam.

[@khalidacosta7133]

If they own the battery... then Consumer Protection Act 2015 would apply and the battery would be under warranty?

[@garycevrepairs]

Hi yes they repair the battery if necessary but the car can have a fault outside the battery like on this car so you have a functioning battery but a faulty car. Cheers

[@Clan501-Scotland]

I used to have a Renault zoe and decided to drive from Aberdeen to thurso in Scotland.16 hours later I arrived 😂😂😂😂😂 Can't even turn a zoe on while it's charging so sat in there with no heat about 9 different chargers and a few broken. Safe to say I sold that pos

[@garycevrepairs]

Type 2 charging only on earlier ones is a pain. Just upgraded the wife to a ze50 and that has 200 mile range and ccs charging, halving charge times. You can get heat while charging by locking the car and pressing preheat tho there is a modification to add a button inside for heat while charging so that’s the next job!!! Later cars are a massive improvement. Cheers

[@Clan501-Scotland]

@garycevrepairs I got the improvement too mate its called diesel 😂 Good luck though my man I enjoyed the video 👍

[@davidlloyd1526]

You can rip that car apart and sell the parts for at least £1400. Alternatively, just return the battery to the leasing company.

[@garycevrepairs]

That’s the whole point, the leasing company wanted to charge £1,400 to return the battery. That’s why she gave me the car.

[@ukmud6218]

So if she signs the lease over to you, will they not say it's a new owner and the lease starts again

[@garycevrepairs]

Hi, the lease continues perpetually while someone continues to have the battery. Cheers

[@ukmud6218]

@@garycevrepairs that what I thought you said, it's the time share of batteries

[@andrewbennett7756]

Give me an internal combustion engine all the time

[@David-fj5lz]

They will demand it has to be returned to the France where it came from

[@Mikexception]

It so wonderfull that after marriage with EV there is honey moon. So fast so smooth, so silent. Owners suppose never divorce them, remove battery, dig under ground and keep for ever when they are damaged and old.. .

[@ScottOleary-b8q]

Another great video Gary, I'm a Zoe owner that has bought the car outright and privately and paying battery rental, meaning I havn't got a dealer to take it back to in the battery return case, what would you suggest in this case? I can obviously take it to a dealer and drop it there, but they have nothing to with it my case.

[@garycevrepairs]

Hi apparently you can return batteries to any Renault ZE dealership but it does require prior agreement with the dealership. And of course the issue of whether you have to pay to return it…. It doesn’t matter however that you bought privately.

[@ScottOleary-b8q]

@@garycevrepairs Thank you for your reply, that's good enough information for me.

[@David-fj5lz]

So can previous owner sell a battery not owned on?

[@garycevrepairs]

Yes there is a battery lease transfer form. To be clear this lease only exists on older Zoe’s, no cars after 2020 have it

[@simonupton-millard]

Love to know how they would do there checks on my 2012 Twizy the ODB2 port is broken 😂😂😂😂

[@GvanderWindtMusic]

I have payed off my 2012 Renault Twizy battery for 100 euro's.

[@khalidacosta7133]

@@GvanderWindtMusic Just replace them with some AA's 🤣🤣

[@David-fj5lz]

It will be all in the small writing!!

[@ianrichards4907]

just stumbled across your video , never wanted an electric car , but having watched and read the comments should i ever be tempted to buy one , i'd deffo stick with petrol !

[@garycevrepairs]

Fortunately the battery lease is no longer offered !

[@computerbob06]

If its a battery lease, surely that's on the battery and drive train? Get them to do the work! I may be wrong!

[@garycevrepairs]

No I’m afraid the battery lease is for the battery only, not the whole drivetrain. I will be fixing this car but it’s a concern for those with a battery lease. Cheers

[@computerbob06]

Yeah just checked myself too. Rubbish!

[@aitorbleda8267]

The problem is the same as if engines had 0 parts. Bad spark plug? New engine. Bad fuse? New engine. We need to be able to fix batteries.

[@garycevrepairs]

I’ve done battery repairs and I know several garages that can do it. Motor replacement on a Zoe for example is an 8-10 hr job hence the cost with parts and labour. It will get cheaper over time. Cheers

[@andrewbennett7756]

Wel done ✅✅✅ I take the zone is not a car to buy

[@garycevrepairs]

The 2020 onwards car doesn’t have a battery lease and does 200-220 miles, much improved car and fantastic to drive. Earlier ones aren’t quite as good. Cheers

[@dennisharvey4499]

Gary, I can not find any contact details: do you advertise for work? where are you based please?

[@garycevrepairs]

Hi I don’t really advertise tbh. I mainly do diagnostics and help other garages with all kinds of EV and hybrid stuff, sometimes buy cars that I see as repair projects and occasionally chat to someone that needs motor bearings or something. I basically only do major jobs 😄

[@andrewbennett7756]

Battery madness

[@MetaView7]

Tariff or not, the Chinese EVs are going to wipe these shxt boxes off the face of this earth.

[@garycevrepairs]

Yup, bring it on

[@ferrumignis]

BYD have had _TEN_ dealerships burn down in China, how many have Renault lost?

[@EbenBransome]

The electric Renault 5 may be quite good, though being FWD makes it a no-no for me (apart from turning circle, having all the goods in the front makes access difficult and will raise future maintenance costs.)

[@Rob1972Gem]

This is what makes me laugh. Renault’s were known for having crap wiring terrible electrics and then people go and buy an EV from Renault whole bloody things electric it’s just Garage bills waiting to happen. Can you imagine if Renault built an electric kettle for your kitchen the first moment? It’s so water it would get the electrics and blow up on you terrible cars all of them.

[@htimsid]

We run two Renaults, both Twingo 1993 model. Neither has had any electrical issues (apart from replacement of alternator brushes, diode packs and bearings at almost the same age/use).

[@cedhome7945]

Cars built to the same specs as a mobile phone...... you just junk them and buy a new one every year. Sweet 👍

[@EbenBransome]

My heavily used Sony phone is three and a half years old and still fine, thanks. The Zoё was an experimental EV in a new market. Problems are unsurprising. Since then, motors, inverters and batteries have all improved.

[@wills5482]

Can't you scavenge the batteries and make something useful while scraping the rest?

[@garycevrepairs]

The batteries are on monthly lease so are owned by the finance company…

[@David-fj5lz]

Good luck with EV

[@davidwatt7663]

My 21 year old Toyota Camry is still going strong with minimal running costs . !! No brainier really 👍

[@markfrancis5164]

I’ve just put my 1997 C250 D Mercedes for scrappage for £2K - Amazingly reliable, 225K miles, - only cost me £500. 1990’s cars are the best, German parts & manufacturer.

[@David-fj5lz]

Thousand or more pounds

[@DanRyan-v5y]

80 or 90 miles on a full charge? Did I hear that right? I thought that the bogus 300 miles other evangelist talk about wasn't good but 80?

[@garycevrepairs]

There are 3 battery sizes, this is the early car so 90 ish miles, 2016 on is 150ish miles and 2020 onwards cars do 200-220 miles. Cheers

[@roconnor01]

116,000 miles not too bad?? Perhaps your wife should forget EVs and buy a Toyota Yaris,which if looked after will give her 250,000 miles.

[@garycevrepairs]

It’s not dead the blue one, just needs repair. Suspect a Yaris might need a bit of work to get to 250k?

[@EbenBransome]

@@garycevrepairs Something a lot of people forget: city cars. Any journey in an ICE under about 10 miles in winter is "severe use", oil dilution, carbon buildup, condensation and rust, and the life can be shortened enormously. The manufacturers recommend two oil changes a year regardless of mileage. It isn't a design fault; apparently the Germans had the same problems on the Eastern front in WW2! It goes with ICE. EVs are by far the best for town use because they are unaffected by short journeys. Most of our journeys are under 2.5 miles, which knackers ICE in winter, but our little electric Honda is perfectly happy.

[@esm7708]

Yaris doing 250000 miles. Good luck with that

[@cnursery]

A bit close to a field of corn for my liking.

[@nexpro6985]

My daughter had a brand new Zoe, now she drives a new petrol Volkswagen Taigo. She isn't going back.

[@farmerned6]

an EV NEEDS to do 80,000miles to equal the eco impact of an ICE scrapping one before that costs the planet EV makers need to be mandated to ensure affordable parts back-up for every model for up to 20 years of life

[@garycevrepairs]

I believe that 80k figure was from a very dubious study but I’m not an expert on that. I just fix them!

[@Vanu-i4o]

Electric cars are like putting Ethanol into fuel, they're not better for the environment and in fact worse many cases.... But they're being pushed to drive a failing economy.

[@hugheffo]

What a completely stupid situation. No one would ever sign up for a petrol car, where you lease the engine, and at the end you have to give the engine back. Car manufacturers are just trying to find ways to make EV’s cheaper to own by leasing the battery. I’m guessing as long as you lease it, if it gets a fault then the lease company would have to replace it. When are people going to wake up and realise EV’s are not the future of cars. Hydrogen or Ammonia engines are the future.

[@garycevrepairs]

Fortunately only some early Zoe’s have the battery lease as it’s no longer offered. Cheers

[@esm7708]

Battery leasing hasn't been a thing for a long time. Now why would you think hydrogen is a good idea?

[@hugheffo]

@ lots of reasons You can use modified ICE engines which have been around for over a hundred years now. Only waste product is water You can fill a car up in under 5 mins Hydrogen can be made from renewable sources such as wind power and solar energy. It the most abundant element in the universe so unlikely to ever run out. Government can still charge fuel duty, so no need for pay per mile. Now compare that to EV’s Expensive to make Uses Lithium which needs to be dug out of the ground which uses massive CO footprint Takes anything from 2 to 8 hours to charge More expensive to run unless you charge at home 60% of the UK population don’t have a drive way National grid only produces around 10% more energy than we currently use, so will not be able to cope with extra demand Repairs are 25% more expensive Tyres are 50% more expensive Insurance can be double an ICE car As from next year no benefit in road tax As government is not getting any fuel duty from EV’s, pay per mile will be introduced at some point.

[@esm7708]

@@hugheffo so your plan involves producing renewable electricity, using it through electrolysis to make hydrogen, compress the hydrogen, transport the hydrogen and then burn it at around 35% efficiency in an ICE. Instead of using the electricity from the renewable source and putting it in a battery. Sounds efficient. And you think digging lithium, which can be sodium now, is expensive? It doesn't take 2 to 8hrs to charge an EV unless you're using a 7kw charger. Personally I'm asleep when this process occurs. Whilst you're correct about driveways there are electric cables with enough capacity under every pavement. There are already solutions on the open market. You can't use an argument about grid capacity and then ignore the electricity required to produce enough hydrogen to begin to replace petrol. Repairs 25% more expensive? Where is this figure from. Tyres 50% more expensive? Just not true. Insurance can be double? That's more to do with limited repair resources (Tesla) or poor design (Merc). My insurance fully comp 20k miles a yr is £450. Oh and funnily enough cars that do 0-60 in under 6 seconds have always been expensive to insure. Whilst no zero road tax next year in reality over an ICE it's still a saving. The main barrier to pay per mile is implementation. Personally I don't have an issue with it.

[@Gadgetlava]

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