This Forbidden Pokemon Combo Still Has A Chance

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3 ай бұрын

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Wow a droomish double feature! Im surprised tooday's Pokemon deep dive will have us zooming in on an old favorite of mine, a classic idea from a simpler time. A move that always knocks out your opponent and never misses. Is there any way we can ensure this result? There's a been longstanding idea to achieve this goal with the Pokemon Machamp, but this dream has always been dashed before it could even get a chance.
Machamp comes with the ability No Guard, a rather unique ability that ensures every move used by and against the user always hits- high risk, high reward. But if that hit always KOs, is there really any risk? Is there a way to get one of the legendary "One Hit KO" moves onto such a Machamp? The game of cat and mouse has gone on since the early days of the series.
In Pokemon Red Blue and Yellow, Machamp could learn Fissure, a One Hit KO move. In Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, Machamp received No Guard. Despite having access to each individually, Pokemon has worked hard to make never both at the same time. But there might still be a way. A complicated chain of mechanics that may allow for this set up in a single set of games. There's still a chance for this forbidden Pokemon combo.
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@droomish1 3 ай бұрын

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@twerktospec 3 ай бұрын

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@Alex23__ 3 ай бұрын

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@kazoorion7993 3 ай бұрын

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@oddishthoughts 3 ай бұрын

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@SludgeManCometh 3 ай бұрын

@@twerktospec"Oh no, I have to press fast forward on this KZbin video, how will I ever recover?"

@cxcophony5221 3 ай бұрын

I get the impression that Game Freak is specifically monitoring the potential existence of No Guard Fissure Machamp in every single Pokemon-transferring decision they make

@AvocadoTheBugCat 3 ай бұрын

The easier option is just delete fissure from its moveset tbh

@incandescence5547 3 ай бұрын

@@AvocadoTheBugCat The entire point of the video is that it hasn't been able to learn fissure since the 1990s, and that that is what Game Freak did.

@edwardhill7297 3 ай бұрын

He's on the most wanted watch list haha

@droomish1 3 ай бұрын

all resources spent on investigating power creep just work to ensure no guard can never be paired with an OHKO move 🤓

@mectainea5575 3 ай бұрын

@@AvocadoTheBugCatan easier solution would be to make fissure and by extension ohko moves as a whole be unaffected by no guard. That’d at least futureproof things in the long term .

@SethJV 3 ай бұрын

Barry: "If you're poor, just get money"

@bvd_vlvd 3 ай бұрын

I get that it sounds stupid but he uses a very annoying double team aerial ace Staravia that actually always hits and dodges enemy attacks, well, mostly

@TheReZisTLust 3 ай бұрын

Its legit if you remember you just gotta battle a child and they would pay you...

@lexruptor 3 ай бұрын

@@TheReZisTLustfacts

@TheModdedwarfare3 3 ай бұрын

It just works.

@irift3 3 ай бұрын

I swear this is a Pitbull lyric. Something like, "Ask for money, better ask for advice. Ask for advice, get money twice" lmao.

@corrosive9759 3 ай бұрын

With how bad powercreep has gotten I’m not even convinced this would be broken

@EmeralBookwise 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, Machamp has always been too slow, and by modern standards isn't even close to bulky enough to make it work. Even a Choice Scarf wouldn't help enough anymore. Maybe Machoke with Eviolite, but it would still be so incredibly predictable and not at all hard to play around.

@TheBestFormOfHumor 3 ай бұрын

@@EmeralBookwise one halfway bulky flying type ends it all

@aerophile8372 3 ай бұрын

@@EmeralBookwise consider: endure+speed boost pinch berry, only real weakness is priority

@waterierStone 3 ай бұрын

I mean all flying types and air balloons would make this useless, so you may as well use mind reader or lock on because it would take two turns no matter what.

@Twilightblade7 3 ай бұрын

Lol having 30% fissure in Ting-lu still made people freakout. This absolutely would.

@trumpeterjen 3 ай бұрын

Three years pass. Game Freak has recently released the next pair of mainline Pokemon games. The rules of Pokemon transportation have changed, allowing a Pokemon to keep both its moves AND its ability. You send up your beloved Machamp, Fissure and No Guard intact. You select the move in battle, heart racing...only to be met with a familiar message. "This move can't be used. It's recommended that this move is forgotten. Once forgotten, this move can't be remembered."

@droomish1 3 ай бұрын

you are the evil commenter

@walugusgrudenburg3068 3 ай бұрын

Honestly, the fact that OHKO moves have survived two generations in the dexit cycle is already odd.

@Skullhawk13 3 ай бұрын

@@walugusgrudenburg3068they have a legit use in VGC on occasion. The only cut moves were bad for VGC entirely. Per suit for example is useless in doubles, so they don’t care. Singles isn’t and hasn’t been attempted to be balanced EVER. Multiplayer was an afterthought, Silver and gold were thought to be the last games, when pokemon was in for the long haul they made doubles.

@walugusgrudenburg3068 3 ай бұрын

@@Skullhawk13 I don't know about *never* (stadium) but certainly not in mainline games or the past two and a half decades. Also I'm surprised OHKO moves are considered competitive? Does the doubles format allow for them to be much less cheesy or does the Pokemon Company simply not care? (I know very little about doubles)

@trumpeterjen 3 ай бұрын

@@Skullhawk13No, there are plenty of moves that were removed just to make the game less bloated. Moves like Synchronoise, Psywave, etc. aren’t really used in Singles *or* Doubles. They’re just odd and almost pointless. Others were balanced just fine and saw just as much use in Singles as they did in Doubles, but they were removed anyway. Game Freak took away Return and Signal Beam, but they left in Fissure. It’s a very strange decision.

@BerzerkerTank 3 ай бұрын

I can't wait for No Guard+Fissure to finally become accessible at some point, only for the game to tell you "This Pokémon has an illegal move present in regards to its ability. The move in question will be deleted.", and they completely deny us of the combo.

@gnammyhamster9554 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, they aren't gonna patch the legality checks

@cj_skywalker 3 ай бұрын

Game Freak is going to do everything in their power to prevent this combo from ever happening, as it would mean that VGC would be dead for good as everyone would just have only the Forbidden Machamp on their team. Not my problem as I am probably going to stop playing Pokemon and let it fall into the pit of past loves like Wizard101. :(

@enafunnyperson 3 ай бұрын

@@cj_skywalkerIt wouldn't even be that good in VGC since there's so many ways to counter it and it'd be so obvious to predict

@JadeiteMcSwag 3 ай бұрын

@@cj_skywalker rip wizard101

@segafreak2000 3 ай бұрын

Rather than deleted, it'd probably just be overwritten with something else. Because otherwise, you'll just get a bunch of jokers who will delete all moves except that one from it beforehand.

@gretchling5012 3 ай бұрын

no guard fissure machamp when an ungrounded pokemon switches in:

@boomman4000 3 ай бұрын

Yea but then you can run stone edge which has perfect accuracy with no guard

@jakemcgoldrick3552 3 ай бұрын

Smack down

@FatherOfGray 3 ай бұрын

Cheese with a Gravity lead mon, then swap into Machamp at the first opportunity.

@deepseamuse 3 ай бұрын

@@FatherOfGray you don't even need to do that, the machop line can learn smack down via tm in gens 5, 6, and 7. All you need to do is make a brief stop in one of those games before transferring your machamp to Home, and since you need to use Bank to get them out of gen 1 anyways it all works out. (Editing to note that smack down is still a working move in gen 8- mudbray was first able to learn it via breeding then- it's just not a tm there)

@blahtest 3 ай бұрын

@@FatherOfGraythis was a thing in high level national dex anything goes(before it was removed) combined with trick room and machop.

@just-linx8271 3 ай бұрын

- Machamp + No Guard + Fissure strides onto battlefield - Gliscor with Dual Wingbeat: "Haha dipshit"

@abdalln8554 3 ай бұрын

Cool combo check this out. *Acrobatics*

@CordyMcDonald 3 ай бұрын

I have eight different Machamp, all named Hank. I love them all. They’re all incredibly mid. Thank you for existing Hank(s)

@calebjohnson9740 3 ай бұрын

What a good name for a Machamp

@Joeyseph 3 ай бұрын

Do they all kick the asses of Pokemon named Dale, Bill, and Boomhauer?

@ThatReplyGuy 3 ай бұрын

Muscle Hank(s) are forever.

@dylanbuchanan6511 3 ай бұрын

He sells No Guard and No Guard (unmissable moves) accessories@@calebjohnson9740

@dylanbuchanan6511 3 ай бұрын

He sells No Guard and No Guard (unmissable moves) accessories

@okapi_q 3 ай бұрын

I traded a Poliwhirl from Gen 1 on 3DS to Sun that had learned the Fissure TM, evolved it to learn Mind Reader, and used it to cheese the Battle Tree with guaranteed OHKOs! Not an unbeatable strategy since you still need a turn to set up, but it is actually very effective lol

@disasterarea9341 3 ай бұрын

mind reader + sheer cold is actually obtainable on articuno in gen 3 too :)

@ChilaAuroraVT 3 ай бұрын

@disasterarea9341 if only Articuno was y'know, good

@Gothaman1 3 ай бұрын

Cant you also do this with sketch from smeargle?

@SoggySlopster 3 ай бұрын

@@disasterarea9341the problem is that you have to use Articuno which is doo doo 😂

@AzureDragon158 3 ай бұрын

@@disasterarea9341 IIRC Regice in gen 3 could get Lock On + Sheer Cold.

@ShratTheMighty 3 ай бұрын

tired: No Guard Fissure Machamp inspired: Protean Metronome Kecleon (they've never had both as an option at the same time)

@Starfloofle 3 ай бұрын

That... That sounds *hysterical.* I need it in my life.

@TheRedSmarty 3 ай бұрын

Even if it's impossible to actually use it, you can technically create that combination to view in HOME, unlike Machamp. Though that may actually be worse...

@ShratTheMighty 3 ай бұрын

@@TheRedSmarty thanks, i hate it. even now, bdsp ruins my day without even owning it

@TheYouTubeGame 2 ай бұрын

Pokemon Emerald Elite Redux allows for that. Though that's not nearly the craziest thing in that hack.

@warmwater9509 3 ай бұрын

Actually, Barry's prophecy wouldn't be fulfilled, because while you satisfy the first line, you'll never dodge all your opponent's attacks

@EmeralBookwise 3 ай бұрын

Don't have to dodge anything if you KO every enemy before it attack... just need to Baton Pass Machamp enough speed and...

@warmwater9509 3 ай бұрын

@@EmeralBookwise and then the enemy attacks mid baton pass

@EmeralBookwise 3 ай бұрын

@warmwater9509 : obviously, that's why I trailed off at the end :-)

@KLIXORthe 3 ай бұрын

@@warmwater9509 What you do is equip bright poweder on your bat passer and simply dodge the few attacks that happen during setup.

@ijneb1248 3 ай бұрын

Almost as good as my spore + mind reader + sheer cold smeargle, that thing was so fun to use in the battle tower

@lolmenx4 3 ай бұрын

How does that work?

@Valdemar5987 3 ай бұрын

@@lolmenx4put Pokémon to sleep, use mind reader to guarantee the next move will hit, use sheer cold. It’s just as simple as he made it sound lol

@ijneb1248 3 ай бұрын

@@lolmenx4 spore puts them to sleep at 100% accuracy, then mind reader to make sheer cold guaranteed to OHKO

@testingitno 3 ай бұрын

Sturdy. Am i a joke 2 u

@yoisakikanade_ 2 ай бұрын

what was ur 4th move slot?

@ARDIZsq 3 ай бұрын

Honestly, it would be fucking HILARIOUS if in the next game, not only do they make NGF Machamp a thing, but not only would they make it easy to get, but also give it to a trainer like the Champion or something. Imagine rocking up to the final battle, only for a 6 IV NGF Machamp to start sweeping your team. It’d be like “IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED?!”

@TheGhostFart 3 ай бұрын

the meme is literally negated by ground immunity and 31 speed iv wont save machamp

@JonnySpec 3 ай бұрын

@@TheGhostFart Another counter is a faster Pokémon with a OHKO move, since No Guard works both ways. No Guard Machamp can't dodge enemy OHKO moves. Edit: Actually, wouldn't be a counter, it would have to switch in after Machamp gets a KO or be the Pokémon Machamp switches in on. It would still be hilarious to bring out NGF Machamp and get OHKO'd by a faster enemy.

@metalismedicine5499 2 ай бұрын

Yes that is what I want. The duel between our No guard Machamps would be legendary!!!

@minecraftoverlord4212 2 ай бұрын

My Terra Fighting body press Aggron upon hearing this

@AzureFlute 3 ай бұрын

I remember first learning about combos like Mind Reader and Sheer Cold Articuno, but No Guard Fissure Machamp is definitely the peak

@lillyie 15 күн бұрын

there's counterplay with mind reader sheer cold like protecting, but the only counterplay for no guard fissure machamp is using flying types,pokemon with levitate, air balloon you get the idea

@swaggleboon 3 ай бұрын

In case anyone was immediately incredibly distracted trying to place that sound effect ten seconds in, it's when you activate a great prophet in Civilization V.

@als.8327 3 ай бұрын

You just saved my life

@nunyabiznes33 3 ай бұрын

I didn't noticed it but I thought I heard the hidden ruins effect.

@Hilijix 3 ай бұрын

YES as a Machamp fan I've been thinking about this combo for years (also Pyukumuku and Electrode together at 1:45 is so good xD)

@HeyLookItsFNaFb 3 ай бұрын

I never knew that the Ability Patch in SwSh was unable to revert Hidden Abilities to normal ones. This was changed in Scarlet and Violet, which conveniently never got the Machop family. Game Freak is truly terrified of No Guard Fissure lmao

@josephpapisan9491 3 ай бұрын

Imagine going through all that work and your first opponent has Mono-flying. 😅

@PeterXChhanX 3 ай бұрын

*teaches it literally any other powerful rock-type move*

@diegomedina9637 3 ай бұрын

@@PeterXChhanXor a thunder or ice punch which I think Machamp should learn.

@edgargaebolg9307 3 ай бұрын

@@diegomedina9637Stone Edge works better in most cases tho

@diegomedina9637 3 ай бұрын

@@edgargaebolg9307 Not if you're against a Gliscor heck it's not like you can't use both.

@ultimaterecoil1136 3 ай бұрын

@@PeterXChhanXyou then get outspeed and one shot cuz you are using a machamp

@OutsideSV 3 ай бұрын

Believe it or not, No Guard Fissure Machamp was allowed in Pokémon Showdown’s National Dex AG tier before the ladder was deleted a year ago as a result of it being too overpowered along with the Tera Shedinja and Revival Blessing Liepard (Revivecats) strategies. However, by itself Machamp couldn’t do that much as it would get destroyed in one hit by the top tiers like Mega Rayquaza and Zacian Crowned before it could do anything. Choice Scarf didn’t do much for its 55 base speed and Focus Sash doesn’t work while Stealth Rocks are on the field, which they usually are in competitive play. If necessary, a Pokémon could Terastallize into a Flying type to avoid Machamp’s Fissure. However, by combining it with Trick Room and Gravity, Machamp could get around these weaknesses. The best user was an Arceus that knew Trick Room, Gravity, and Healing Wish. (Healing Wish activated after Stealth Rocks and kept Focus Sash intact). However, these don’t last forever so your team needed another Arceus for it to work. (National Dex AG did not have a Species Clause) With both Trick Room and Gravity in play (and Stealth Rocks of your own to avoid enemy Focus Sash), Machamp could destroy everything in its way except for Tera Shedinja and Revival Blessing Liepard. Tera Shedinja was a problem as by Terastallizing into an Electric type while holding an Air Balloon made it completely invincible to normal attacks due to Wonder Guard only allowing Super Effective moves to go through and Air Ballon nullified its only Ground weakness. Machamp could run Toxic but Shedinja is usually accompanied by Cyclizar which can pass it a Substitute with Shed Tail, that blocks status. This was not without counter play as Stealth Rocks could defeat this Shedinja and Machamp could go for Stone Edge on the turn Cyclizar uses Shed Tail which pops the Air Balloon. Keep in mind when the National Dex AG ladder was a thing, Stellar type didn’t exist as it could defeat this Shedinja. Revival Blessing Liepard can basically revive its team members nearly indefinitely as its Assist can call Revival Blessing and Assist has 32 PP and Fissure only has 8 PP making this matchup a near auto-loss for No Guard Fissure Machamp. In general, while No Guard Fissure Machamp was indeed overpowered, it was not as overpowered as Tera Shedinja and Revival Blessing Liepard, but all three of these strategies led to the deletion of the National Dex AG ladder. As proof of this, Smogon has removed National Dex AG from their list of National Dex Spotlight Ladder of the Month.

@eclipsesoluna3453 3 ай бұрын

wow, its already been a fuckin' year? Time sure flies, huh?

@KillerSkullX 3 ай бұрын

Rip Psycho Boost Lugia

@LordShonji 3 ай бұрын

All the changes to how home updates changing moves, post swsh battle ready stamp wiping all tms, and transfer from gen 1&2 and GO having the HA has all been to prevent this combo from happening and that is so hilarious

@Leto85 3 ай бұрын

I still remember the powerful Articuno/Lock On/Fissure combo. Unfortunately thd beautiful blue bird was way too fragile to pull it off even if the opponent didn't saw it coming. A Focus Sash may help here though.

@insertclevernamehere1186 3 ай бұрын

Any flying type: "I'm about to end this man's whole career."

@Gnarfledarf 3 ай бұрын

If only Machamp could use a powerful Rock-type move and also had a way to bypass that hypothetical move's low accuracy.

@Gloomdrake 2 ай бұрын

@@Gnarfledarfalso Smack Down for Levitate

@dtexdarkus 3 ай бұрын

If this combo ever becomes possible, they would just make OHKO moves ignore no guard. Which, imo, is what they should have always done rather than dancing around machamp

@AceofShadow 3 ай бұрын

Gamefreak works in dumb ways like how they made it so Spinda got in BDSP can't go into Home because BDSP fucked up the spot patterns instead of just patching it and having people deal with the spots suddenly changing for a mostly forgotten Pokemon.

@KaoruMzk 3 ай бұрын

Everything is possible with the power of Action Replay.

@SweaterPuppys 3 ай бұрын

12 year old me with an action replay: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

@Athesies 3 ай бұрын

0:14 Barry is my role model in life and also my hero

@mattlau04 3 ай бұрын

I remember being really hyped for the potential of no-guard fissure machamp when gen 6 was coming out, too bad we never got it

@hibbs1712 3 ай бұрын

Me playing in the Battle Revolution consecutive Doubles battles arena, battle 40 against Kruger Quick claw activates for his Donphan turn 1 and fissure immediately hits my Tauros. Then his dewgong is faster than my blissey and hits sheer cold. im left staring blankly at the screen in shock

@hibbs1712 3 ай бұрын

This happened like 3 days ago

@eclipsesoluna3453 3 ай бұрын

the house never loses. - a ramblin' gamblin' dude

@Gnarfledarf 3 ай бұрын

Skill issue. Just use Sturdy lmao

@cdkw8254 3 ай бұрын

all the flying type Pokemon watching this: Interesting...

@DogBat 3 ай бұрын

Barry really do be a philosopher

@antant9523 3 ай бұрын

it is always my theory that the move auto reset when transfer for the newer games is partly due to no guard fissure machamp. it is because of machamp that virtual console are specifically in HA. it is because of machamp that hidden ability cannot be swapped to normal abilities. partly because of one pokemon, it is restricting the others too, many pokemon would love the ability change. and now they finally give in and make hidden ability swappable, but they still do not add machamp in. they are running out of ways to stop machamp. so best is to reset the moveset so they dont have to worry about it in the future, but loophole still exist such as pointed out in the video thus machamp is still not in SV.

@eclipsesoluna3453 3 ай бұрын

he is inevitable

@youtube-kit9450 2 ай бұрын

Just make OHKO moves ignore no guard like they ignore accuracy/evasion modifiers. Seems like the simplest thing to do to fix that stupid combo while not affecting literally anything else, and it should even be easy to code.

@Archon... 3 ай бұрын

Nothing the good old mimic rage glitch can't fix.

@professorhaystacks6606 3 ай бұрын

Yep, they prevented this from being used in tournaments, but it was entirely possible. I left with Dexit so I don't know if it will get past checks. You could transfer it to gen 5, but I don't know if you could get it to 6. I know 6-7 blocks most glitch transfers, but if this is now legal it might work? Has anyone tried?

@Archon... 3 ай бұрын

@@professorhaystacks6606 I just assume bank would block it but I never tried.

@esperstronpad1921 3 ай бұрын

@@professorhaystacks6606 It isn't a legal move as of gen 5, so no it won't pass

@IsomerMashups 2 ай бұрын

Flying types and Levitaters: "I'm going to end this Machamp's whole career."

@JonahRichmond 2 ай бұрын

I wish you would do some walkthroughs on your favorite games. You seem to have so much more love for all the little things it would be great to see and hear how you really just play these games.

@LuisGarcia-hc2mf 3 ай бұрын

I hear your civ noises you snuck in there ;) Great video, I hope the Machamp dream comes alive one day

@ThanksEtc 3 ай бұрын

babe wake up new droomish upload

@theultimatefreak666 3 ай бұрын

It will only be possible if they don't lock trade-back entirely

@delllee4915 3 ай бұрын

The real reason why they don't want us to use No Guard Fissure Machamp is because then we'd have Pokedex Lore Accurate Machamp in our teams.

@thisguy00 3 ай бұрын

Reminds me of my mind reader + fissure Poliwrath I had in Gen 2. Fun times!

@sbclaridge 2 ай бұрын

Fortunately, switching easily ruins that. But... if you don't switch in a Flying-type, there's still a 30% chance of getting OHKOed. I'll also note that there's actually a Trainer in Pokémon Stadium 2 who uses a Mind Reader + Fissure Poliwrath in Round 2 of the Prime Cup. I remember that I tried to switch out into my Mewtwo in an attempt to foil the combination, but the AI got the 30% chance and Mewtwo was OHKOed.

@simongoller2504 2 ай бұрын

I am very happy to have found your channel. You make just the kind of videos that I really enjoy watching.

@timr.2257 3 ай бұрын

My Action Replayed Wonderguard Spiritomb: 🍿🍿🍿

@youtube-kit9450 2 ай бұрын

Fire fang goes brr

@Erikuzuma 2 ай бұрын

Whenever I see Machamp all I think of is No Guard+Dynamic Punch. It was the lead in the first team I ever built after learning of Smogon. Looking back I think I was using it wrong, but I think it seemed useful precisely because of that since I caught my enemies off guard by making the move that seemed too dumb for anyone to use.

@DogBat 3 ай бұрын

The great and wise berry Once said “maintain your HP above zero well getting the enemies HP to zero and you’ll never lose”

@Supersonicspyro 3 ай бұрын

The booger McFarland of pokemon

@Gnarfledarf 3 ай бұрын

What type of berry has the name "Once"?

@Supersonicspyro 3 ай бұрын

@@Gnarfledarf he meant Barry, he might have been autocorrected

@DogBat 3 ай бұрын

I don’t know why that got capitalized lmao 🤣 @@Gnarfledarf

@The_Legendary_Nic 3 ай бұрын

Not sure if this is entirely relevant, but the KZbinr Goppier made a miraculous machine that allows the Gen 2 to Gen 3 trade, thus allowing the combination to exist in games that have No Guard (gen 4 onwards) however if pokemon bank detects an illegal move such as fissure it won’t allow it to pass through. No Guard Fissure Machamp is possible if you can make the initial trade, but only in Gens 4 & 5 for now. Oh, and make sure that the first trade is with a Machop, the way ability structures work makes it that evolving a Machop family member from Gen 3 in a Gen 4 game gives it a 50/50 chance of having No Guard. So if you trade a Machamp or Machoke (which evolves immediately on trade and can’t be cancelled) and transfer it to gen 4, it’s stuck with having Guts. One other thing I’d like to mention, BDSP glitches exist. I have a Machoke that has all available OHKO moves that was gotten menu glitches. It’s illegal to use online but it is there and it’s awesome

@KlydeVividarium 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Dr. Oomish for the upload! Ever since I started watching your videos my skills with the stethoscope have gone up dramatically, I'm talking a full week without losing a patient to one of those beastly things. From one doctor to another, thank you for everything you do to further the field of medicine

@samsvensson2659 3 ай бұрын

This inspired me to make my own with Stantler and Golurk in doubles; Stantler is pretty tanky with eviolite and intimidate, and you can Roleplay / Skill Swap Golurks No Guard to whatever other teammate by turn 2 if you want, usually Ting Liu for me

@funnelkaek 3 ай бұрын

fissure? i hardly know 'er!

@EmeralBookwise 3 ай бұрын

The new moveset transfer rules piss me off so much. Not because of Machamp specific, but because of every legacy mon in general and the loss of identity it causes. Preventing Pokémon outside of regional dexs from being transferred was bad enough, removing older moves from the code and rendering them unusable in gameplay was bad enough, but outright deleting the moves and replacing them with a generic set is even worse. Yes, I get that it helps level the field for competitive play, eliminating the need to own multiple decades old games, to get those unusual combinations, but their could have been better ways to do it. Let the Pokémon keep their unique sets and just flag anything that couldn't be acquired in the current game as invalid for online play.

@lvl5Vaporeon 3 ай бұрын

Ill stick with my mind reader and sheer cold combo

@Oneiroclast Ай бұрын

The opponent can just switch. You're better off just spamming Sheer Cold without Mind Reader, you're giving the opponent a free move on the Mind Reader turns.

@Regeor 3 ай бұрын

I was rematching the Heartgold Elite 4 recently and Bruno having a No Guard Machamp with Dynamic Punch and Stone Edge made it very difficult. His team was nearly Level 70 though.

@ethanschoales6563 2 ай бұрын

If they made Fissure a TM again, Machamp would be able to get it and No Guard, but I doubt they’d do that

@HighwaySuckler5000 2 ай бұрын

Great video! Was curious, was wondering where the footage of all of the generation sprites at 10:36 is from?

@GurgleOneSixSix 3 ай бұрын

I once managed to fulfil the dream in Pixelmon. It was amazing! Not gamepaly wise, but the satisfaction was incredible. In practical terms, Flying types were still a problem, as well as fast Psychic and Fairy types which could outspeed and one shot, plus many tough battles were set up with competition clauses like equal level, no bag items, and no OHKO. It was still really fun though to have!

@droozyyy 3 ай бұрын

Now we just gotta hide this video from GameFreak

@LilyPlaysGames214 3 ай бұрын

No Guard Fissure Is Basically "For His Neutral Special, He Wields A GUN"

@HyperDragoonHx 3 ай бұрын

That forbidden combo would be way too OP. I used to think of it too years ago, but came to the conclusion that it would be way too unfair.

@ryanbob 3 ай бұрын

Yeah because flying mons and levitate and mons that outspeed don't exist

@HyperDragoonHx 3 ай бұрын

@@ryanbob Well, there's Speed Boost Ninjask.

@ryanbob 3 ай бұрын

@HyperDragoonHx I was not expecting your reply to be even worse than your original comment, congratulations you're dumber than I even thought.

@jarydgrobler9526 3 ай бұрын

I've been playing Civ 5 so much late;y that several of the sound effects from this video made me double check to see if the game was running

@alexandros5412 3 ай бұрын

i very much enjoy trolling with a hail, aurora veil, mind reader, sheer cold articuno

@albinocj969 3 ай бұрын

If the battle frontier existed still…he would live on Tuber Timmy’s team a match away from the Frontier Brain.

@Warr666 3 ай бұрын

Machamp sturdy like Pop Smoke

@nsiderultimaseth 3 ай бұрын

I am SURROUNDED by beauty when Droomish is uploading this frequently.

@JanusHoW 3 ай бұрын

To be fair, No Guard Machamp with Fissure would absolutely warp the meta around itself in an unhealthy way. Everything would have to either get around it or facilitate it.

@OsirusIrdia 3 ай бұрын

Or just ban it to AG. Besides those are unofficial, arbitrary metas outside of the real games. Giving us a legal way to obtain no guard fissure Machamp would be amazing for many players.

@ShadowXeldron 3 ай бұрын

The fun hating jerks over at Smogon have already banned OHKO moves so we can't unfortunately can't use it in that format. If you're talking about VGC then, well, it's VGC so they won't ban anything at the risk of harming their brand image. It is a doubles format though so you can probably just gang up on Machamp since it's really slow and doesn't have the best defensive profile.

@Hello-There917 3 ай бұрын

@@ShadowXeldronOHKO moves aren't healthy for the game as a whole. I mean Smogon had to ban it, it's just too uncompetitive in nature. You literally invalidate Pokemon's type chart (bar Flying) along with the concept of a defense stat, and guarantee an OHKO upon any defensive wall switching in on Machamp.

@CrushedParagon 3 ай бұрын

Tbh I don't think it would be that strong. Anything that can outspeed and OHKO Machamp or any good flying type completely nullifies its gimmick. Not to say it wouldn't be a strong option but it's a linear, easiely countered strategy even without changing the current meta. Would fare even worse in VGC where it can easily be ganged up on

@SnoFitzroy 3 ай бұрын

ghosts are immune to horn drill and ice types are immune to sheer cold@@Hello-There917 I understand you mean fissure specifically but you're saying all ohko moves are bad so you gotta acknowledge that there's immunities to the other ones lmao

@twotamatos 3 ай бұрын

Politoad can still use mind reader & fissure, as well ninetails alola has role play and sheer cold

@piplup2884 3 ай бұрын

Barry's wisdom is truly divine

@pulledpork9778 3 ай бұрын

We pray for machamp’s return. But for now, I’ll sit and chill here with my 6 sturdy horn drill tyrunts holding custap berries.

@dalekcraft3203 3 ай бұрын

Fuck yeah new Droomish shenanigans

@weenierotini 3 ай бұрын

the civ v sound effects got me on this one

@kylewagoner 3 ай бұрын

I’ve always wondered about this. Glad the question has been thoroughly answered.

@RSanchez111 3 ай бұрын

The Mind Reader/Sheer Cold combo was enough to make me train an Articuno in Gen 3.

@johnwest6690 3 ай бұрын

Someone made a chip that lets you transfer from gen 1 to 2. It is possible and will always be possible, and as soon as he sells those chips, everyone can get fissure no guard machamp.

@professorhaystacks6606 3 ай бұрын

There's a guide floating around on how to make 'em even. That is rather a lot of trouble.

@rishav_666 3 ай бұрын

My man got me thinking i had civilization v open

@breakbolt9973 3 ай бұрын

I haven't played pokemon in a while, so correct me if I am wrong. It would require some setup, but can't you skill swap no guard onto a skill swap pokemon then skill swap against onto a sheer cold pokemon in doubles? Similar to the sturdy shedninja strategy?

@youtube-kit9450 2 ай бұрын

It's a possibility, yes. The point here is for none of the shenanigans being neccessary.

@Darkytz 3 ай бұрын

If you look into the mimic glitch in gen 4 it might be possible. It'll be a glitched combo, so idk if it could be legal

@deadakus 3 ай бұрын

Ah yes. Fuck you no jutsu. My favorite strategy.

@TheBestFormOfHumor 3 ай бұрын

What

@deadakus 3 ай бұрын

@@TheBestFormOfHumor Fuck You no jutsu. When someone just decides to win. Think literally any time some anime villain is losing but the writers decide they gotta seem threatening so they pull out some random bullshit and just win.

@peachykeen3194 3 ай бұрын

Best ad transition I've seen in all my days. Well done.

@jiaan100 3 ай бұрын

Based comment let me completely skip the ad

@tails183 3 ай бұрын

It was so good that I knew to start fast forwarding before it even started.

@GeorgeDCowley 2 ай бұрын

Does it get the move back through the move reminder, or can you just give it that when you transfer it back?

@samuelandraka552 2 ай бұрын

*flying type has entered the chat*

@TheGuyWhoIsSitting 3 ай бұрын

Misconception: trading between Gen 2 and 3 is technically possible. But Gamefreak didn’t want to develop the software to do so. Some KZbin channel I can’t remember the name of even did his own version of it with a bit of a more high tech solution but it was always technically possible. Granted you’d probably be stuck with Guts.

@babafisi8135 3 ай бұрын

I’ve seen someone make a thing that crosses the divide between gen 2 and 3, so technically it’s possible, but not with official hardware.

@neiljorgensen6765 3 ай бұрын

da droomish in the Supreme drip goes UNBELIEVABLY hard

@MitchBurns 3 ай бұрын

This literally already is a thing. It’s just takes some setup. Ability swap mew plus no guard machamp. It’s even better too since fissure doesn’t hit flying types, and the mew can also run other OHKO moves to hit them.

@martinogaiser6963 Ай бұрын

Hey man just a bit of a weird question. What kind of sounds are you using throughout the video? I recognize the sounds at 6:49 and 00:10 but i just can't get my head around it what they are from. Many thanks for the riddance of endless thoughts about stupid sounds. :)

@poru7665 3 ай бұрын

Genuine question If this ever happens and you can get fissure no guard Machamp in SwSh, would it be legal in Gen8 OU?

@theladthatknowsstuff9901 3 ай бұрын

Its so funny that a single choice to give 1 Pokemon one move made over 25 years ago is single-handedly causing so much trouble for the devs responsible for making the transfer tools.

@mlmf2012 3 ай бұрын

It will be THAT GOOD! Hold assault vest, max spdef, max def, spam fissure, win. This will singlehandedly turn the meta over its head as a new meta of sturdy and flying type pokemon will run the game just to not be swept by machamp. Sandstorm, spikes, and steath rocks would more than double in usage, and so would having a more dedicated rapid spinners just to make sure the OHKO tank doesnt get a field day. The useless move gravity will now become a relevant part of the meta and any flying/levitate mon you plan to switch to machamp would get absolutely decimated. Galarian weezing would become a meta defining staple for the sole purpose of shutting down no guard strats. Other mon will have to dedicate a move slot to an ohko move just so they can ohko back the machamp. Machamp would walk all over uber tier the moment it gets fissure with no guard, truly meta breaking

@Nelsito99 3 ай бұрын

0:45 iirc the accuracy goes up by 1 for every level higher you are agenst the opponent but will never hit if they are higher than you

@Nelsito99 3 ай бұрын

Nvm it was shown 2 secs later

@onyx5213 3 ай бұрын

Tried this and everything was going well, even hacked the other ohko moves then one trainer in the BF had shedinja

@Eggs-Benedict-Cucumber-Patch 3 ай бұрын

Could breeding two machamps with the same movesets transfer those moves with a chance of the ability?

@youtube-kit9450 2 ай бұрын

Imma guess that Fissure isn't in the actual gen 8 learnset of Machamp, meaning it wouldn't be able to pass that move down to its offspring.

@SPCooki34 3 ай бұрын

wait so does this mean they'll have to change sword and shield OU on showdown to allow these new sets or will there be a new tradebacks OU like the gen 1 tradebacks OU

@nharviala 3 ай бұрын

What do you mean? They already made a 100% accurate OHKO move. If Chein-Pao's partner uses Fake Out, and Chein-Pao moves next with Sheer Cold, it'd always hit because GF forgot to change the RNG between battles when first releasing Scarlet and Violet. Don't know if they changed it at this point, but it used to be a valid combo.