This horse is in the Rebellious Teenager stage

This horse is pretty but pretty is as pretty does. Right now pretty isn't getting her anywhere, it's time she actually does something. Let's see what I can do with her.
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[@jeanettewaverly2590]

I once saw a fellow wearing a tee shirt that proclaimed: “You can ASK a stallion. You can TELL a gelding. But you have to DISCUSS it with a mare.’

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Very true.

[@fallbrkgrl]

Love that!

[@jjintheflesh]

😂 I'm going to use this one.

[@bernadettecartin]

Yeah, one of my riding friends years ago said she'd heard that saying. But the way she heard it was Tell a gelding. Ask a stallion. Discuss it with a mare. Was thinking of that throughout the video, and wondered how many people would know about it in the comments.

[@Ciciye12]

That’s great saying!

[@comesahorseman]

If you can convince a fussy mare that you have something to offer, you have a hard working friend. Give them the time that they need.

[@GreyfyreShelties]

What a gorgeous mare, so very drool worthy.....I see Blue roan that's sun bleached. With dogs sniffing the ground it's mentally trying to escape, trying to mentally check out. More like I'm going to ignore you and direct my mind to this ground instead of you...I suspect that was what this mare was doing. She tried it twice and realized you weren't falling for her inattention....Absolutely love watching you work horses...

[@kellywalker3299]

I love watching you ! I train and teach dressage / eventing. You teach what I teach. It’s kinda rare actually very rare in dressage /eventing. Love watching someone else who’s trained lots of different horses as well and more. Thank you for what you do !

[@NotKev2017]

She looks like a bay roan to me. That red tinge on her face and in her mane and tail.

[@StuckInNy]

I'm still working through all your videos. Im truly enjoying them. Reminds me of a saying, "On a good day, a gelding will give you 100%, on a good day, a mare will give you 110%

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I agress except my version is, "on a good day a gelding will give you 90%"

[@susans7091]

She is beautiful

[@rodneyhaanpaa81]

Love your comment about mares. I have an Arabian mare that I wouldn't sell for any amount of money. She gives me everything every time. Have geldings that on their best days will give 85%.

[@motionwellness]

I can totally relate to this mare. I am training a 4 yo mare that has been doing the same things. My girl (teenager) was a pampered girl that got away with many things, but not with me. If I didn't know any better, I would say that's my horse! I have been doing many of the same things as you, which has made a big difference in my mare's respecting and listening to me. When you are done training Kate, she will be one awesome horse! Thanks for harping on her to collect. I could see the changes in her by the end of the video.

[@MyPNWHomestead-dx2ec]

Kate is such a pretty mare. I think she wants a leader she can trust and has found that in you, Tim. I like her attitude and am looking forward to watching this pretty girl's progress.

[@KimHitchcock-v5i]

Watching you is a Master course in horsemanship

[@donnac.1609]

Temperament can be an issue, that is for sure. I was once told by a QH breeder that a spayed mare has more strength and heart than a gelding. Breeding here also comes into play. Your training approach will work here! Being aware and reading her so well is key. Watching her grow up is gonna be fun!

[@muleskinner4495]

Tim, have you ever been bucked off? I experienced it tonight and it hurt my ego more than my body😬. I should have rode it out but got dumped 🤦🏻. I’ve enjoyed your videos, thanks for sharing!!

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Oh, yes. I came off one just a couple weeks ago. If you ride it's going to happen.

[@pattirockgarden4423]

Loved the last part about using the hind. Always learn something, thank you!

[@pgree6176]

Love your calm manner and voice. So relaxing and informative

[@terrifrye2803]

Another really good lesson on a few points. She has a nice conformation, just needs to build her strength. Her trot was a little wavy from behind. Mentally, I love her attitude. It’s not difficult to convince her, that your way is the best route in the end. I believe she’ll do very well in the future. I appreciate your help and style in educating us. ❤️

[@rebeccahassman2220]

The difference in the quality of her walk from the beginning to the end is phenomenal.

[@fallbrkgrl]

I have heard lots of folks talk about their preferences, mares, or geldings, but not why. You have just filled in a gap in my knowledge with you explanation of how it's a mental difference. As always, I've earned something new from your videos. This was definitely a very interesting, and informative video for someone like me, who is learning about horse behaviors, training, and how to approach different situations. Thanks Tim ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎

[@iwginc2877]

Hormone cycles were not discussed. That is 99% of the challenge of training a mare or even showing. Thats where the GNRH comes in

[@elisehittinger5358]

This is so good!!! I have 3 mares. I stop way too early!!!! Thank you.

[@juliehmidmo]

Some interesting things in this video for me. A few things I have never heard before regarding behaviors. I have had both mares and geldings over the years , never had a preference as all were very easy to train . If I had heard you talk about the " teenage rebellion" at 4 years of age I would have been likely to blow it off --except I have been going through that with my 4 year old --a first in my life with horses. Can really make you appreciate the easy ones.

[@jjintheflesh]

Whatever color she is, she's pretty. 🥰 Great teaching! Thank u.

[@gaylemanion6869]

Horses also put their head down to strech their back muscles.

[@cjpatterson4711]

Really god demo of a training session. You showed us lots of "rebellious teenage" quirks.

[@Linda-k4v]

Interesting color between blue and bay. Can't tell on this channel. Guess I would need to see her in the light.

[@michellegordon4211]

Gosh, I love watching these.

[@meaganlawler7536]

Superficial compliance is a thing😊 Have to apply a little pressure to see what is beneath Well explained

[@zenkohlrabi782]

Seems pretty smart. Can't wait to see how she handles cow work.

[@Lynn-uz2ms]

Enjoyed the video, I'm an old rider and still learning, never too old , lol. Lynne in Missouri, thanks 😊

[@iwanttovote6053]

I've had a gelding for a year now...13-15 yo...but he loves to play in the field and for a long time now I've said he's a rebellious teen/pre-teen. Only this summer did I begin learning what you do and others in terms of reading him and working with him productively. It requires a huge shift in training/communicating for the human and that brings about huge improvement in the horse. Thank you!

[@broda1824]

Learning a lot by watching your videos. It was refreshing to hear that you don’t always have to finish on a good note. There have been times when I’ve tried to do that and made the situation worse and then I’ve felt frustrated that I didn’t get the result I hoped for. Thank you

[@johnstath9666]

Such an interesting series. If I understand this right, to gain their trust you try to convince them that what you ask is both safe and secure. Once they understand that then they are more likely to comply with your requests.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Exactly. Would you trust a leader at work that was putting you in danger?

[@C-Rocks]

That whip sounds really frightening I think i need one like that

[@Ciciye12]

You can see it in neck and head the resistance, very much to learn .

[@angeledmonds300]

Thank you for your comment about dropping the head during lunging. I’ve always looked at it as a back stretch and never really thought about it being a dominant thing. I’ve always preferred geldings and I have a mare now that does this a lot.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

It's not always one or the other. You have to look at the horse's whole body to read the intent.

[@cherylcarr1128]

Reminds me a lot of a little mare I'm working with right now. She will not settle on the bit no matter what bit I try. And she definitely wants to bite soon as I make any contact with my leg. Every girth seems to be wrong and every saddle. So I tried bareback and she still wanted to reach around to bite my foot. Same with bridleing but she's letting me touch her ears finally. She's been trained at some point but she was also abused and now she is very defensive and reactive when she feels threatened or pressured. Lounges great but when I get on she wants to pace out way to fast. She's gaited and thinks she has to go top speed. I can ride her with a bosal but I want to transition to a snaffel.

[@thespiritualcounselor-beli8785]

Stretching her head down was due to the change of lighting where the arena ends and cast shadows. Notice she does it at the same point nearly every time. Horses have poor depth perception and will often need to get a close perspective on changes of terrain or shadowing to know what they are wtepping on. Same reason they will paw at water or terrain changea. If he would have actually let her put her head down there a couple of times she would have stopped doing it. Her leg was cocked while fussing with the bit at the same time because he had just pulled her around and was about to step across but he stopped her. Thusscausing her to rest her foot like that. Some good stuff here, but also some things that are not quite as he said. As for geldings vs mares i will agree that people seem to prefer geldings over mares. In my experience, geldings seem to have more try bc they are pleasers. Both just come back to them understanding what you are asking and confusion. A gelding will give more try when they dont understand, where as a mare you have a discussion when they dont understand. There are pros and cons of both. In her trot I would say her right stifle is locking. Could change as she muscles up, though I have seen horses where it muscles but they just have a chronicly week stifle and it never goes away.

[@Jean-kp6cu]

Yes! I saw that same program!

[@andreaknibbs9328]

Amazing how you can feel what she’s doing and when you explain what we see on vid I can see it too - I know nothing about horses but I can see what you’re talking about 👍thank you

[@LarryLambdin-b2e]

Again a great video. Thanks

[@rivert3dove254]

Thank you sir you renforced sone thing I waa taught a long time ago I am 70 yrs old lol still riding and i have enjoyed mares more, but they are a changle

[@caobita]

When she's trotting, she makes really short steps with her hinds. Seems like she hasn't been trained on that yet. Beautiful mare with much potential to be a great horse if trained well

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

That is one of her positive attributes.

[@HeavensGateHorsemanship]

My project horse is an Arabian mare that didnt get started till just recently...she 7!🤦‍♀️ She is the definition of rebellious teenager stage 😂

[@glendayount455]

Yes. Great explanation of mares!!

[@bobkohl6779]

Mare man here. You covered why!

[@Angelia117]

More 🤔. Wise horseman said that WE have to adjust to fit the current situation. This requires an open heart & mind b/c horses do change from moment to moment 😁.

[@stagnetto1]

My guess is she's a blue roan because red roans have a chestnust mane and tail and not black like hers-

[@bonnieanderson1029]

BEAUTIFUL 😊

[@Ciciye12]

I learn lots from you!

[@bronwynmines7864]

Thank you for the video Have been through this with my mare … we are still in discussions 😂 I can see here what I AM doing wrong ~ so thank you 🙏

[@DebraConner-cx5mj]

I would call her color as red roan. I had a gelding the same color and he was a red roan. Beautiful any way.

[@lakeshadow100]

Thanks for explaining everything. that gold!

[@katiedotson704]

It isn't just Quarter Horses that go through this at around age 4. You may have known this mare since birth and found it to be a very amicable, cooperative horse. Then she hits 4 and you find you have 1000lb 13yr old kid on your hands. "I don't want to and you can't make me." As to color, on my screen she looks more grulla. She is still a very striking girl.

[@diannahoda2589]

Great video!!

[@NNLBC]

very helpful, thank you :)

[@EllenVollbach]

I commented on the back end of the horse, but deleted it, because I don’t really know enough about horses, but you could see it

[@gwenhafford4112]

Love watching your videos. They are all so interesting and informative. I have a suggestion about the videos: the text that appears on screen when you are adding a comment to a certain section is very difficult to see. Would you please try using dark text? Thanks for the consideration.

[@PONYHEAVEN]

Truely fascinating.

[@danlindeke2561]

When used to riding good horse, hard to put up with young horses. You have the patience needed to train them.

[@SarahWilsonMySmartPuppy]

Agree 100% that animals, in human/animal interactions, do what they have learned is effective. So, I see all her head lowering etc, as being misinformed rather than lying. She's pragmatic - it's worked before. She's a great example of how people get attached to external behaviors rather than how the animal is thinking.l She got release for acting submissive but not being submissive. Smart animal. Beat she comes along fast with some clarity.

[@iwginc2877]

The Vet, dentist and Chiropractor would be the first eval if I took a horse to train. It gives the extra edge of letting the horse succeed

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

A trainer's responsibility is to guide a horse's training from beginnig to end so that each individual horse reaches their full potential. That growth requires the trainer to make daily decisions like a map taking the horse from one place to the desired goal. Not only when the horse first gets there but every day you have to decide if the thing the horse is doing that you don't want is training or pain related. If you are not capable of knowing that answer yourself, then you would have no business taking a horse for training.

[@iwginc2877]

All I'm saying is when you get a horse look in its mouth just like all people did when they had to use a horse as a tool. "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" adage comes form that basic premise. Horses that come form hobbiest or untrained horse people usually don't know what floating teeth is much less what effect it has on the way a horse will react to a bit. Your a great trainer. Teaching the customers ABCs can save them money and dissapointment. Yes you have a plan for the horse. What is the Plan to prepare the owner to keep their horse at the level you trained it to.@@timandersonhorsetraining

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I've covered all that in other videos.

[@iwginc2877]

Still watching them all@@timandersonhorsetraining

[@kevinferguson3196]

Also, could she be lowering her head because she smells where other horses have gone to the restroom?

[@jeniferrinehart1107]

Def red road. Can’t quite tell if she is bay in the points or just darker red. Amazing you can see/feel all this on horseback. I can see it when you say it, but sure don’t think I would catch all that if I were riding!

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Can't be a red roan with black points. Roan with black points has to be blue roan or bay roan.

[@bernadettecartin]

​@@timandersonhorsetrainingThen I'd go with bay roan.

[@jacquerobinette6758]

My horse is in the arena of lead. I am sitting on the rail the horse has a quiet temperament is being friendly but in my space more than I like. He will occasionally turn his bum to me and just stand there. His ears are not pinned and he is relaxed. He also does this to the steers when they are tie up on the other side of the rail. I drive him away and he goes quietly but I'm not sure what to think?

[@alisonjetmar7437]

She seems like she is gimping on that back outside leg.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

You need to watch my video or read my blog about causes for asymmetrical movement.

[@janasharooni5203]

thanks, I really like this explanation. Helps alot. This horse is nice, except it seems thin to me.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

She has a body condition score of 5. That's perfect for training. People like to see horse carry more weight like a 6 or 7 but that actually causes more serious problems than a score of 4.

[@virginiathompson6330]

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[@ItsBlissfulAcres]

great video

[@Deana-s8m]

What would you do if the young horse refuses to go forward?

[@shellysonnen5698]

I think that's a bay roan

[@Ciciye12]

Very interesting!

[@HVHSint]

@4:46 spoken like only a reiner will speak

[@rhondab9792]

Tell a gelding, ask a stallion, beg a mare. And if it's a pony, pray to God Almighty.

[@Linda-k4v]

Difficult for me to understand saying she needs more rear, pushing off with rear. This is very detailed training obviously the previous trainer didn't know and you seem to do it in your sleep. I guess you are saying have her bend at the pole and hold her back enough to have her round her back some. It will be interesting to watch you work her rear. I am just not seeing it. I can see the final product, but don't understand what I am seeing. You clarified the use of neck reigning for me, but so difficult for me to see the shoulder lifting and rear pushing. Sigh.

[@cherylharless281]

"Tell a Stallion, Ask a mare, Show a Gelding."

[@deannalemburg10]

Why was Kate sent for training? To advance into a specific discipline? or was she developing a vice that needed attention ? So happy the person was smart enough to send her to a master class. Thank you 😊

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

That's a good question. She was sent because she was starting to push the owner around and get her was and the owner was getting into battles she wasn't winning. Basically if you saw in the beginning if the ground work when Kate was showing the learned actions I was talking about to get her way. I knew how to correctly read her actions which went a very long way in correcting the problem. I made another video of her today working cows, she has progressed a long way really quickly just from correctly reading her behavior.

[@MeliGreen-f3t]

Every gelding i have owned has been fantastic never a problem but mares i have owned totally opposite

[@DebraConner-y9x]

I say pretty is as pretty does.

[@payntpot7623]

Just one look at her frame and you can see that for a horse in work, she has a weak hind end. I have always thought a horse lowering its head was a sign of it either stretching the muscles along the spine, or relaxing after the workout (lunge). Considering some people advocate encouraging a horse to drop its head to relax and chill out; how do you go about distinguishing a horse you get in? If you are treating them as if they are trying to move or dominate you, yet they have been trained or encouraged to drop their head; how confused do they get? Do you have a list of these potential conflicts you ask the owners about in advance of getting a horse in? I wholeheartedly concur re the walking out to the horse, not visa versa.

[@joannsmith9]

It was very obvious that she wasn’t using her back end right. I hope she doesn’t have physical issues that make it painful for her. Also, when she lowered her head when she was standing next to you quietly, it looked like she just wanted to lower her head because she was getting relaxed with you. Are you sure she didn’t need rewArding for that instead of punishment?

[@allriasvylen8257]

Mares lower their head to get close when they press on physical boundaries, physical space is very important with horses, he has his own bubble in which he is comfortable her being in. Her reward (and it’s very different from humans concept of relief) is backing up and being out, out of that zone of pressure. Reward for effort, respect in rules

[@kimberleysanchez6258]

She is pretty. Is her right front off? She seemed to move it a little odd?

[@lynnegeddes7532]

Strawberry roan, just like my Freckles

[@michellegarry1872]

I was a big fan of loud colored Paints. I bought a tri-colored overo mare with blue eyes lined with black, like eyeliner. She was drop-dead gorgeous even when she was trying to kill me. Very food aggressive and bad on trails. Well, guess where she went? To the Amish. The joke was on her. I got the last laugh. I couldn’t afford a professional trainer so she went buh byes.

[@jackiejenkins947]

I'm seeing some strange movement in her left hip!?!

[@Ciciye12]

You can see she isn’t using back end much.

[@Angelia117]

Any chance previous riders hands hurt her bars, tongue, teeth, roof of mouth with a single joint mouthpiece ?? Thanks

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

The answer to that is irrelevant because that would not change anything.

[@kevinferguson3196]

So, are you saying that my horses that walk up to me when I go through the paddock gate to catch them to go for a ride or just to visit, they shouldn't do that? I have one horse that will almost put his halter on for me, lol

[@lindaj5492]

Been binge watching: notice you become increasingly breathless over the last couple of years. Please have your heart health & maybe cholesterol checked 🙏

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I know what it is.

[@peterneilsen6249]

Morning guys, nice horse. Ty Tim

[@melodienaber3238]

I feel her color is between blue and red roan. She's gorgeous ❤ and a brat

[@debbieboston2377]

please can I ask about the head down because I have amare that does that and i was told by professional has horsemanship people that she was hiding. i was also told it was a good thing as she is stretching and using her back? I'd be interested to hear your views

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

A horse can put their head down for all those reasons, you have to look at the whole picture to determine your situation. If you watch the video I did after this one working cows you will see what I'm talking about with Kate.

[@lynnecarter7628]

I call her a dun roan or red roan

[@cmuir6757]

I am wondering what the roaring sound is in the background? Is it the camera malfunctioning or a tractor or a noisy fan? It spoils the otherwise excellent commentary.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

It's an exhaust fan that circulates air in the barn. I usually turn it off when I video but it's too hot. I don't video in a studio like many do, we are a working training facility. Sorry it spoiled the quality of the video for you.

[@chimera7521]

@@timandersonhorsetrainingI am so engrossed in what is going on I didn’t even notice.

[@bethewalt7385]

That's a rose roan

[@traceybumpus1007]

Picture of my mare even the head on ground took a lot of time on ground work building stifles going over poles after a year whole different horse.

[@jeannem6723]

I would call that gruella.

[@emerwatchorn6971]

Hi Tim, with regards her put her head down, how do you tell that its because she is trying to heard you? And not being submissive Just trying to understand more. Thank you and i like watching your videos.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

You have to look at the whole totality of the situation and her whole body, not just her head. Her head went down as soon as I started lunging her. A generally agreeable horse might do that but she wouldn't have been sent to me if she was generally agreeable. Also horses especially young horses are always going to challenge a new handler. With looking at the whole picture the answer to her intent is pretty obvious.

[@funnyfarm72]

@@timandersonhorsetraining This was very interesting! I've followed the big name clinicians and take bits and pieces from them. Have always seen them doing the hind end disengagement, head down etc, but never seen anyone lunge your way with keeping the hind engaged through a turn/change of direction. Makes total sense with training for different disciplines! Along with the head down. But i'm curious about the head down when you went in to to pet her. To me this just seemed like relaxation, at least from what can be seen in the video, like a blow out or lick/chew. Are you just assuming with this type of mare that head down is going to be more of a "dominance" behavior or was she displaying something else?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

@@funnyfarm72 if you watch this video I think it will help you better understand how the head down can mean different things in different situations especially how it relates to this horse. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5SvqXmaqql0o6s

[@bonniemott9119]

Enjoy your videos very informative thank you so much for your time and trouble.

[@katiedotson704]

@@timandersonhorsetraining I was going to give a similar reply to another post. You have to look at the whole horse. Ears, tail, even facial expressions. It's similar to people thinking a dog is friendly because it's tail is wagging and can't figure out why they got bit.

[@emilylewis7642]

Do you think the weakness in her hind end is due to training errors or conformation flaws? If it is due to conformation flaws, how will that impact your training? How can she be a cowhorse if she can't sit down on her hocks?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

In her case she just needs to be taught to use her back end better, just like a person who slouches need to be taught to sit up straight.

[@lindachicette8354]

I had a 3 yr tb who wanted to roll when he put head down on the lunge, how do you know the difference?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

You have to look at the whole body not just the head and use experience to judge intent.

[@christineirvine8694]

I have her twin 😂

[@horseloverzb74]

She's a chocolate roan 😁

[@greyhorses5223]

It looks like she is struggling with your weight, especially in the rear legs. Her pasterns look like they are collapsing down too far. Tim- What do you think?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Not even close.

[@greyhorses5223]

Please explain. I honestly want your opinion.@@timandersonhorsetraining

[@greyhorses5223]

I should add, I admire your training technique. Consistent, kind and smart, you are.@@timandersonhorsetraining

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

​@@greyhorses5223there is nothingto explain, riding her she feels like if she wanted to she could jump out from under me. Whatever you are seeing, you are misinterpreting.