This Is Concerning... | Wuthering Waves

In this video, MrPokke discusses about the issues when reaching Union Level 60 (UL) in Wuthering Waves. Will rewards improve upon reaching said level? Did the devs finally listened to the feedback or has it gotten worse? Stay tuned to find out.
Fob's vid: • What Changes At Union ...
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0:00 Intro
0:33 UL60 is Max Level? (no its not)
2:03 Weekly Boss Drops
4:20 Forgery Challenge Drops
8:16 Tacet Field Drops (No More 1-Costs)
10:06 UL50 vs UL60 Tacet Field Drops
17:18 Boss Drops
19:54 Nuclear Twitter Post
20:40 Final Thoughts
22:06 Outro
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[@nickh4354]

DEVS LISTENED! DEVS DIDNT LISTENED! GAME IS COOKED KURO COOKED! BAD GAME GOOD GAME! average week of mr pokke uploads

[@N07_P4G3]

I’m exhausted

[@hipunpun]

Also exhausted

[@Jugement]

From clickbait to trademark meme lol. I used to find it annoying as well, but not taking it seriously at all and him capitalizing big time on it ended up making it legitimately funny to me. He's going so overboard with the mood swings and sardonic faces now that i cant manage not to crack a smile every time haha

[@ii-re9re]

Its him memes

[@nickh4354]

@@Jugement it isn't annoying or bothering me to be fair, it is what it is, a funny observation 😄

[@rioshin8209]

the problem is why the hell tacet field using 60 instead of 40 with that kind of rewards, when the thing is you need to upgrade "every" correct main stat echo to decide if the echo is good or not (which is waste of exp), when in other games you already know the relic/artifact is trash from the get go also can be used as exp material

[@darko6115]

No literally my same question

[@oreo0sama]

True ,as much as I love the game, 60 on tacet just feels outright bad. they should really balance out the drops since we can't feed the junk.

[@onimusha950]

True, tacet fields are basically the caverns of corrosion in hsr and those only cost 40 stamina per run. No idea why they cost 60 in wuthering waves when the rewards are so underwhelming

[@ParafrostV]

​@onimusha950 still costs about the same stamina to max stuff. It levels it out with infinite farming and getting many right main stats vs having to wait for the right main stat to drop with the correct stats and then roll into those correct stats. 8 months still using a shit phys orb on Argenti. Used 8 self modeling resin too.

[@crowing3886]

They should be 30 if we being honest, especially since the golds don't even increase.

[@Lol-Lol0]

The most problem i have on wuwa is definitely the reward is lacking. If the stamina cost on the weekly is 30 and tacet is 40 i can get by it. But it's 60!

[@Hououin818]

This problem exists in PGR as well, farming materials is stupidly expensive even if they give some free energy in PGR

[@Nakirakira]

@@Hououin818never had that problem in PGR though . Just farm the event resource stage and get resources using the event mats .

[@lasmariasdc2278]

We will have enough events eventually Idk why everyone is so impatient.

[@niernightgaming2925]

@@Hououin818 lol what ? it will be a problem only if u try to build everything together .Never had a problem with serum

[@pillowhead4456]

@@lasmariasdc2278 The problem is, events is still limited resources, once you're done with it, its gone

[@staffofhomeless7510]

✋THIS CHANGES NOTHING✋

[@SAyGOoDByEToOldLIfE]

They really need to adress the scaling of the droprates of the challnges. It just doesnt feel rewarding to progress in the game like that.

[@devildante9]

+50% difficulty, +5% rewards. Yeah, at this rate I'll rather stay at level 40 rather than getting to 60. Remember when in genshin people got exited for getting to the next rank

[@mik0z474]

farming in wuwa is absolutely horrible, you can do like 4 tacet field but you can barely upgrade 1 max echo

[@HeIix_]

The only thing that increased is the difficulty but not the rewards 😅

[@Stormtide]

what difficulty? 💀

[@echo3568]

@@Stormtidehave you done the holograms yet

[@Stormtide]

@@echo3568 yes most of them, they're not that hard lol but holograms has nothing to do with union level

[@echo3568]

@@Stormtide oh shit you’re right my bad💀

[@Stormtide]

@@echo3568 all good haha

[@guidomista5738]

Jesus Christ how tf did his tacet fields rewards got LESSER than previous UL50. Devs unlistened.

[@LilRussDawg]

devs really plugged their ears and hit us with the "LALALALALALALALALA!"

[@neural8597]

Its going to be absolutely nuclear if they post a dev post next week saying they are increasing higher level domain rewards

[@Erox006]

the honeymoon ended SO FAST we are rushing towards divorce saga

[@yashtandon7460]

So, you are telling me I can tune 5 echos every 4 days?

[@xlightninghawk6360]

i have nearly 1k tuners, why are yall bitching so hard? i also got bis stats on 4 characters

[@thornszk]

If you got enough exp to level them, yes.

[@GhostyCG]

@@xlightninghawk6360 my man , you either got lucky or stopped building any other echoes , or both , lot of player just get trash echoes and ends up using a godly amount of tuners just to merely get 1 decent set of echoes for a character

[@tonberry_]

​@@xlightninghawk6360This dumbass didnt catch the important point

[@kurostyx9124]

@@xlightninghawk6360 lol, the issue is xp, not tuners

[@JoyBoyAlter]

Tuners is by far the worst part. 20 tuners for 60 waveplates is a fucking scam no matter which way you slice it

[@MrSparkleFart]

The echo exp is a bigger issue on the long run, I have 1000 gold tuners and no exp

[@Ali-ex6im]

Nah the tuners is fine compare to the exp it's pain

[@Ainlore]

If youre lvl 60 you wont need tuner At lvl 50 you will get 400 tuner which i dont even use. I have like 1000 gold Tuner with 0 exp

[@EkkoNii]

​@@Ainlore Thats because you geared everyone before ue50

[@Vadikus2424]

Tuners are so easy to get. What I always lack are the EXPs. I have around 700 tuners rn and 0 EXPs

[@Violet-0]

THIS is literally the one thing that’s keeping WuWa in a bad light. Forget the compensations, forget kuro listening. When majority of the time you’ll be suffering with the INSANELY high costs but little rewards to level up your characters. 💀

[@treasure9342]

U know of the "Dev listened" thumbnail face But what about the new "devs didnt listen" thumbnail face

[@foxacin]

we already got the new "devs didn't listen" face in this video thumbnail

[@treasure9342]

@@foxacin .........ya that's the joke💀

[@foxacin]

@@treasure9342 my bad bro😭🙏

[@blanc1720]

holy nuclear toxic positivity thinking these rewards are good. Wuwa community turning into genshin where anything kuro does it either fine or a bug. come on guys

[@sir_rybow8342]

But but they give out alot of rewards so it's okay!.. right? Lmao

[@Vadikus2424]

It's so frustrating when all they can say is that "yEa BUt gENShiT ReWADrs ARE WoRse ThaN thIs ThO". Like, YOU GUYS ARE THE ONE WHO KEEPS COMPARING YOUR GAME TO GENSHIN AND DO YOU ALL NOT WANT YOUR GAME TO BE EVEN BETTER???

[@marcuskane1040]

Kuro's meatriders are already much worse. Absolutely delusional

[@altra1616]

@@marcuskane1040but I noticed whoever says " kudos meat riders are much worse" are 99% Genshin meat riders😅

[@Vadikus2424]

@@marcuskane1040 the mindset of Kuro fans even before WuWa came out is that "Games by Hoyo and the fans = Bad. Niche gacha games and fans = Good". PGR global chat is so full of those people

[@banefury]

if they didnt expect people to go to ul60 so early. then why is it there? compensation~~~

[@4Deuroz]

Love the new meme that will pop out of this "DEV DIDN'T LISTEN"

[@shynan252]

Tuners to energy cost is possibly the wackiest payoff ever, they need to fix that at UL60 too tf

[@marcusshane]

They really need to either add a increase in drops amount per rank or lower the cost of running these things because 60 is just jarring. Weeklys costing half for first 3 times each week would help. I really believe everything else does not need to cost more than 40... This is disappointing man...

[@ninetyninenights6226]

Weeklys are a 3x a week only thing LOL

[@pandan__]

@@ninetyninenights6226they meant that they should reduce the stamina cost of tacet fields by half for the first three runs each week as a suggestion to make it a bit more tolerable.

[@sainyam7123]

@@pandan__ You can only get rewards from weekly bosses three times

[@pandan__]

@@sainyam7123 yeah you are right, I read his original comment incorrectly. I was on the shitter when I skimmed their message and wrote that comment lol.

[@Qopa]

welcome to PGR. it's even worse in that game. Plus, it's completely normal for kurodevs to give you scarce resources when you have to farm for weapon exp, character exp, character skill, rng with memory set resonance in PGR, farming memory/echo set resources to upgrade, upgrading/getting dups, etc. They're literally copying this weekly boss idea from GI/HSR and made it worst somehow lmaooo.

[@kingskiller2900]

13:40 he left faster than most of dad's 💀

[@amirridzuannnnn]

I wish all players, including the metas and casuals, please write this problem in your next survey. It is so ridiculous. We have 240 stamina but only few runs can be done in single log in everyday.

[@JohnStamR]

I admit I was a coper of expecting too much for how early on we were. MrPokke was right, now that I have been working on echos and see the rewards for higher levels, holy shit I was wrong af... I still do not have max echos on anyone other than Rover because +10 or +15 sub farming drains everything so fast, purely exp I have not ran out of tuners yet (also have not converted tuners since I think that came out in 1.1?). Its actually insane the previous max roll does not become the next level's minimum roll at least...

[@kuratse205]

Since when did you start? I have 3 (almost 4) really top tier +25 echo sets with high cv and perfect main stats. And I only farmed overworld mobs like 2-3 weeks max, and then no longer do.

[@TSH425]

​@@kuratse205it's a luck thing I started playing the game at launch and my echoes are absolute shit... UL 48 f2p almost no refreshes at all grinding out the world daily and my shit is absolute garbage...

[@kuratse205]

@@TSH425 So what was your strategy when obtaining and raising echoes? The best way to raise echoes is to only raise correct main stat echoes to +10/+15 depending on the roll. Then if it does not gain a crit roll, discard and retry with another echo. Specifically for 3costs however, you want to raise up to +15/+20 minimum. I spent ~2-3 weeks farming overworld for 3cost echoes (full clear 3 different types of 3costs per day), but most of my echoes came from TFs. I have a 261cv, 230cv, and a full (main and substat) ER rejuv set. All you need is just to get double crit. It's not that hard.

[@TSH425]

@@kuratse205 yes good strategy but it ONLY WORKS IF U GET THE CORRECT MAIN STAT TO BEGIN WITH😭that's the problem if ur unlucky as shit u can spend a week farming just for flautits(me that's me💀) and get not 1 good main stat to lvl up then after getting a good main stat the substats end up being absolutely ass the only set that I have down is wind and electro since my mains were those elements (2 ok electro sets and 1 amazing wind set) my healer set is absolute ass since i haven't gotten a single gold energy regen main stat... I quite literally cant build it even if I try so atp I just use whatever I have

[@kuratse205]

@@TSH425 TFs give like 1-3 on element and on set 3cost every 2 days though. At UL50 data21 the drop rate is pretty alright

[@Olivian9960]

Can bro form a sentence without saying "insane, this changes everything, holy, nuclear' etc anymore? he started to sound more like an npc lately even though he does most of it intentionally, holy nuclear npc

[@Kramer8]

Ironic comes from NPC saying "Holy Nuclear NPC".

[@oussamatouati5067]

yea the need to increase the rates its absolutly diabolical

[@leemohammed7775]

i wonder if SOL3 Phase 8 affects Bell-Borne, since its Overworld instead of like a Weekly Boss Domain, where you can pick only up to Level 90

[@TheTripleJski]

interesting thought, now I share this curiosity

[@utsubyo]

And i still dont think echo exp is an issue, you can get two echoes to max every 3 days (not including exp from events/endgame/exploration), try getting two relics to max in 3 days in HSR, goodluck with that, you cant with the exp that you get in those 3 days, it feels like there's more exp because you get garbage 90% of the time and you maybe get one relic that's even worth considering every week, id rather have consistent progress that we have in WuWa instead of having tons of exp waiting and having to pray day after day for something to level up

[@ragee8807]

This made me think twice on spending my condensed wave plates. Im planning on burning them rn to build characters, it might be good to wait for changes.

[@LongXue]

Why is seeing Pokke's face in every video kinda refreshing recently... well what I mean by that is I haven't seen him since 2 months ago just because.

[@redfoxakame]

"It's the same phoe toe." Truly a *NEUTRAL* moment. 🤣

[@johncmcham]

the possibility of 0 purple drops at UL40 already felt bad, no guaranteed gold by UL60 is insane

[@Antidepressiva1980]

Ikr, yesterday i had a run of 6 forgery fields. union lvl47 and i got 1 time out of the 6 runs 1 purple drop. 5 times out of 6 i only got blue and green . Feels right, yeah.

[@Tiasung]

I mean what do you expect. Echo exp is not an issue but people complain about it so it gets buffed. Trace leveling mats is an issue and people dont complain about it so it doesnt get buffed. This is why good feedback matters.

[@MiAGamerz404]

as the saying goes, nothing can kill a game except for the dev themselves.

[@knefehaj1056]

Oh damn we have a "devs ddnt listen" face now

[@royalgames6090]

tbh they really really really need to make tacit fields cozt 40 stamina instead of 60 cuz 60 is just too much everything else is fine Normal bosses are fine weekly bosses are fine to i my opinion cuz you only need 6 to maxx out a character i believe which is 120 stamina which is really cheap compared to other games for the talent materials it's really hard to tell cuz getting a purple one in genshin is really hard at the highest levelmain while here you're getting 2 here which is nive as well and it's not even the highest level yet so i think it's fine tacit fields tho really need to give 30 at least or be changed to 40 stamina instead of 60 cuz that's insanity high

[@LittleMonarch-nh8zx]

I don't really mind about the tacet field, just hope they increase the reward or other echoes can be used for upgrade. But the forgery is my real issue as it just drop 1 purple in UL 50, they should increase it because it's kind of a headache

[@brutallyhonestpikachu8250]

Let's hope Devs Listen!

[@tonberry_]

I love wuwa sm but these development material waveplate requirement and the rewards they gave are absolute trash

[@steffan5156]

They really should atleast 1.5-2x the reward for any waveplates activities with the current cost. Its really ass.

[@968Yamii]

if this keeps going.. as much as i love wuwa i believe i would say that kuro mightve missing revenue and playerbase in the near future.. yes theyve been generous with the "reward" for pulls but other than that we have too many issue with the game, and tacet field just a bits of it.

[@dantae9537]

Guys iam ul 52 and got golden ball in the forgery challenge ill probably never get 1 again anytime soon 😂

[@AqilaRarasati-yq9lx]

After that don't pull for a long time 😂

[@afrapereira1933]

I get golden actually pretty often 😅 I don’t know how they didn’t got any damn…

[@darkgrundi9543]

i actually got 1 golden drop 2 times on UL 40, did not see one yet on 50 tho.

[@renyoudie]

Tacet fields stay being the biggest scam in the game. Cant believe those things cost 60 stamina. The only time they felt decent to do was during the 2x event

[@watashiwasmartphonega6601]

Did you guys also see the devs reduced the spawns of the mobs around the world so you can't perma echo farm as much per day anymore. For example the ones at the entrance of the Feilan Wind Monkey 4* echo. No longer spawns 4x 3 star monkeys. This is only one of many. They didn't even say anything. The devs are so cringe now

[@guizarxxi]

They got rid of it because the mobs were too close to the checkpoint when you spawned it

[@gordonfoo2416]

this is actually disappointing, they even promised us will increase the rewards of Echo EXP from 1.0 Dev's notes. Then they just simply Gaslight us and say mistranslate.

[@willburning6955]

Let's be honest...if you obtain more using waveplates or more throught the events if you don't buy more waveplates It Is the same... additionally for Who don't do tacit fields as me because they are a scam we are very Happy about this mistranslation's true meaning

[@mrp6k490]

That was actually a translation error (hah.) afaik.. They meant increase special events and not just a straight up increase.

[@Gheniel_]

It was said "increase echo materials for events" in chinese. So it wasn't about tacet fields. In english it was "increase yield of echo materials", it wasn't specified how.

[@gordonfoo2416]

@@mrp6k490 sad, genuinely

[@kuratse205]

As a non-refresher, I have pretty decent echoes. 261cv and 17ER on a 43311 fusion/fusion on fusion set, and a 230cv 43311 havoc/havoc on havoc set. So a high roll and a mid roll set within only 40 days since launch. I'd say that it is a pretty good rate of grind. MrPokke just doesnt touch grass. Compared to my time in genshin and HSR, the grind is far better but it wants me to actually play the game and go around the world to farm echoes for 1-2h for a total of two weeks when I want perfect sets. I'm currently having a bigger issue of a lack of 1costs more than 3costs or 4costs due to not farming overworld anymore. Traces take far more waveplates but its a finite grind, so its completely fine.

[@lifelessgamingmy]

Wait, even echoes of war give 3 right?

[@Kyle81290]

Where are the people that kept saying "it will get better at higher level"?

[@jayN_21]

Okay expecting some new emails coming from devs

[@yogandi8922]

so in conclusion i'm not missing out at ul 46, truly wuwa devs are goated

[@LilRussDawg]

after you get the 5 star weapon box there is no point of higher UL even data bank 21 got reworked back to SOL lvl 5

[@DisappointedJynxzi]

I hate that you cant use Duplicate echoes to level up your main echo, and if they dont want to reduce the waveplate consumption for Tacet fields and Forgery challenge, they should at least reduce the time needed to fill all the waveplates. Also, if they dont really want to reduce anything, at least increase the rewards for the things that was mentioned

[@darkadia6520]

So wouldn't it be more efficient to lower the phase level then if the rewards stay the same?

[@Larikalful]

Not really, unless you're struggling with killing monsters

[@datboi5778]

THIS CHANGES NOTHING!

[@vladys001]

I just hit UL50, so will be waiting for the rewards improvement in the future

[@nieczshe]

lots of mats are coming from events and point shops, wuwa is going for heavy fomo economy

[@penguins0301]

I'm here hearing online professional opinions on this information. You guys are so awesome

[@user-dx6tm9xg5n]

Either they give us the promised Waveplate Storage system or drop the energy requirements to a minimum, like 40 for TFs and 30 for Forge and Simulations. Also increase the rewards and make the yellow drops more frequent in UL50.

[@advendra6078]

This is actually fun to watch. An entertaining video outside, and serious inside.

[@HehehexDD]

game is going to die simply from the huge power creep. it's only the 3rd limited and the character is already busted beyond belief compared to the rest of the 5 star roster.

[@Larikalful]

Yeah, thats what i'm afraid of. I pulled for Jinhsi because i wanted spectro dps... but now i kinda regret it. Turns out that she's so busted that i kill most enemies before even finishing her rotation. Hell, my Encore had dedicated echo set, 5 star standard weapon, leveled up talents and still can't even compare. I wish that i could glimpse year into future to see if it gets to ToF levels of powercreep. Because right now it certainly seems so.

[@asahii8409]

Stop crying and go fight holograms since you kill everything so easily I’m tired of people making excuses if your killing shit so easily go fight a lvl 90 hologram but I bet none of you even have the skill to complete it.

[@HehehexDD]

@@asahii8409 you don't need skill when you two shot the boss. 🤣

[@ekantaaditya4388]

@@HehehexDD you absolutely don't two shot any hologram or ToA bosses even at the same level

[@HehehexDD]

@@ekantaaditya4388 ever heard of an exaggeration? I swear yall gacha gamers are unable to catch social ques.

[@CzDelta92]

genshin has 1 more world level but you are already getitng max rewards from domains and same in hsr so this system is the same, thats the cap for domain rewards only the world gets harder, kinda crazy that it doesnt improve over the last tier doe, waste of time fighting harder bosses.

[@alvinlee7710]

My take on this “Devs listened!” Phrase: Devs only listened when the feature that impacts them greatly (during beta tests and showstopper bug fixing) after they have a secured a foothold of the game, they will not mostly listened to this issue. I have seen this pattern in most of the gacha games and wuwa in the future will be the same

[@user-vl3pr4yx9j]

“Tacet field drops increase.” They said. Where are the “wait till higher union level 🤓☝️” gang at?

[@reidenar]

I mean in all this why even tuners are a thing? It just complicates things. Also they could give us 2 rows prerolled at least. Whats funny they took all the systems from genshin/hsr and only one they changed was echos which is the main point of contemption.

[@itsmeminz274]

Everything is ok for me but only thing i want is echo exp coz. Jinshi came home but I can't able to play her coz i dont have good echo set most of the time def def% and HP and all exp gone in a minute.😅

[@Antidepressiva1980]

same, haha

[@TheZanzou]

Yeah, back at union level 30s this is not what I was hoping for with the growth rate of materials over world tiers.

[@chinnerchilla]

When I used 20 cubes and got like 100 purple xp and 40mish golds, I was shocked at how fast they drained I maybe lvld up like 2-3 echos it sucks.

[@virtuethom7258]

The forge reward already quite lacking tbh.. barely do any tacet cz it cost 60... I can barely hold for forge stuff..

[@PrinceMarthX]

Repost It takes 2413 greens to fully max a character. (67 gold, 55 purple, 28 blue and 25 green) A UL60 run usually gives between 39-48 greens in value (depending whether you get 2 purples or not). Let's say 43 is the average. That's 57 runs to max a character. 2280 waveplates. 9.5 days. This is without lucky gold drops. Every gold that drops saves you 26 waveplates. 46 boss drops needed. Let's say 4.5 is the average. 11 runs. 660 waveplates. 2.7 days. To level a character to 90, get all their skills to 10 with all nodes unlocked, it's around 12 days of farming. It takes 1477 greens to fully max a character in Star Rail. (139 purple, 69 blue and 18 green) On the average 60 trailblaze power (6x run) gives 24 greens in value. That's 62 6x runs to max a character. 3720 trailblaze power. 15.5 days This is without factoring in lucky purple drops. Every purple that drops saves you 23 trailblaze power. 65 boss drops needed. 5 per run with no rng. 13 runs. 390 trailblaze power. 1.6 days. To level a character to 80, get all their skills to 10 with all nodes unlocked, it's around 17 days of farming. Realistically, you could shave off a day or so off this because purples do drop more frequently than wuwa's gold. A little over 10 purples saves you 24 hours of trailblaze power. Wuwa feels worse because of the gold material (which doesn't exist in HSR) but it's actually faster. Which is surprising. So the speed of which you can develop your characters isn't a problem. Unless you think it's a problem in HSR too. People are too hyper focused on the purple and missing gold drops and don't realize the blues make up 50% or more of your total materials. A UL60 drop of: 1 purple, 8 blue and 6 green. That's 39 greens and Blues make up 61% of the total with 24. 39 greens is actually the exact same value as 4 purples and 3 greens. If you saw 4 purples drop, you'd be ecstatic. Well.. that's what you're getting. You just don't realize it.

[@darkgrundi9543]

UPVOTE THIS SHIT SO EVERYONE SEES IT.

[@devildante9]

You didn't include the shell/credit costs in your calculation. You should also include how much XP/money you get from dailies, or from completing an XP/relic run. Also you can auto trash equipment every easily in HSR to get more XP, I don't remember if you can do that in WuWa. We should consider all these factors before concluding which one allows you to level up characters faster.

[@Kramer8]

​​@@devildante9 Isn't shell cost is very cheap rn? That's just players managing issue.

[@andysabur4966]

"wuwa feels worse..but faster" I kinda noticed this during the very early of wuwa. started playing gacha this year, hsr then this. Started hsr on 2.1, loved the story, didnt care for equipment till world 4 (i dont remember any gold relics in world 3 and only a few in world 4) then tb lvl 50(?) went and farm a bit of caverns just for my dps. meanwhile i was getting gold echoes by week 4 of wuwa (plus the event rewards with choosing which element bonus) and now enough decent gold echoes for 3 units and i can 12/30 ToA. HSR MoC im currently on 15/36 and PF 6/12 seems like wuwa's problem is the feel. they gave us access to endgame absurdly fast then grinding it out is only kinda better so we complain about the bad feels.

[@kuratse205]

based. Wuwa is just really really fast. You explore fast, you get echoes fast, you level characters fast. Then you find out that you have nothing more you can do, unlike the slow repetitive grind of HSR where you just auto and ignore for months.

[@oog_y]

Bro look like Tooru in the thumbnail😂😂

[@allanamaya540]

Me here with 68 solvents waiting for union level 60 or max to use them to get the most benefit out them, might just use them now 😅

[@_an1s_]

Hot take : Echo domains and and echo system in general are great they need no change Ppl who are complaining want to buil 20 characters in 1 patch that's it Probably 60 fule per domain is bwd but you already get alot of echos while mintpicking + illusive relam and events has free echos F2p here with 62/250 cdmg calcharo s0r0 67/280 s0r1 jiyan and my supporters are built well Lucky? No i just farmed alot and managed my stuff better than people and i still have 17 fule refresh saved

[@TheSpeedygonzalaz]

I got a gold trace 2 runs in a row at UL 40 after patch 1.1 launched. I thought devs listened but turns out I used all my rng on those 2 runs

[@Atsushi-pc9et]

I’m a casual, but like, what.

[@yogandi8922]

new meme thumbnail just dropped

[@mactavish5500]

Saying that fob is lying in unfair tho, he just repeat what the game said, no?

[@Toasty_10]

Free pulls incoming guysssss

[@Bakagii]

I feel like dropping 10 exp mats is pretty fair considering it takes a lot of those to raise an echo. On top of not being able to feed echoes to level up other echoes

[@aridoks]

I’m sorry but how much do you play to be UL 60 already

[@XAWARO]

Not possible unless you whale

[@riven4121]

Bros a whale. He pays for refreshes.

[@matthewpranataa]

its ok we just need to wait for their zzz damage control

[@misterPr0x1ma18]

Would be nice if they increase the tacet rewards a bit and add 3pcs crystal solvent as part of completing dailies along with the 2000 xp.

[@erickrobson60]

Time to get a fix and community rewards?

[@louisarnebQP]

i don't know guys are you all complaining about tuners, I'm playing since launch and i never had a problem with their amount, still have around 1000 of them. I fully built only 5 characters to hae 25lvl each echo and its still enough for me and i wouldn't say my luck with tuning was outstanding, just okayish. The exp potions are the worst part, no? 60stamina for 3 gold ones is a joke

[@VinceGoesEV]

I first i was like augh only purple drop from forgery then i just remember if u get guaranted gold then u need only like 240 energy to max out an entire character skill tree since u dont need that many to max them at least as far as i can see

[@meh2572]

Every characters only need few so not an issue to me enough to make me quit

[@LostWallet]

there is no reason to not have at least 1 guarantee gold material at lv90. like do you dont need anything else at that point

[@Kaoz007full]

Since the beginning of the game I've been saying about the stamina cost is simply too high

[@watashiwasmartphonega6601]

The rewards from the game and events are also going to be a lot less. Because they give the free 5* ticket. Keep an eye for the amount of Asterites you get from events etc. Thats how they damage control don't let them get away with it. Its all a fake illusion to entice us.

[@playermasterfun7334]

Tf… bro they just announced a dream ablaze event that gives out 1000 astrites as well as a new gift of gratitude login event

[@Katto457]

The whole map is litteraly filled with chest and mini games...you can reach 20k+ astrites as you progress the game...and not to mention there's also free rewards as you level up throughout the game...with a free 5* star weapon selector...what more do you want? It's only 1.1... it has did everything than genshin had to offer back when GI first released...

[@M0ndi]

JESAS, if they don't fix this I won't stay for the long haul which is a bummer because I really like this game.

[@guardiansoulblade2673]

What you said is that you don’t like the game because it’s an energy/time sink like every gacha game, lol.

[@godfathergaming_1]

they messed up now they gonna give compensation😂

[@absolutelyabsolute4671]

Reducing the waveplate cost by 20 will make the game better, trust me.

[@HawkieTalk]

People are really expecting to finish the game in one month with 90 level max out 😅 You need about 3 weeks of farming and spending all resources to get 90 9/9/9 in genshin its literally the same speed of progression. There are no crown limits to skill level up too. You can do each character to 90 10/10/10.

[@archerkuro4158]

Maybe cope but I feel like this is just another dev listened box they can check for the next patch and just give us tuners in the mail in the meantime But wither way doing their whales dirty like this might be another mistake they can’t recover from Doubt this will kill the game but after the bad mobile experience this could be the next step to ww not being a major competitor

[@marcuskane1040]

Don't worry, they will "listen again" after beyond terrible earnings of next banner 🤣🤣💀

[@darika3672]

As much as i want to spend for future characters, why will i pull a new character when i am not finished with my Jiyuan, Jinshi, Yinlin and other characters? Can't imagine to pull Scar and start from scratch leveling him up to match my current strong characters.

[@k.h6635]

"Devs listen" goes coping hard at this point

[@Ray_joy]

Thanks for the video, I will never reach level 60, the drops are like dog shit

[@Berserk...-_-]

Не стоит забывать про ивенты в патче на ресурсы, поэтому сложно сказать, присутствует ли тут баланс. Мне кажется было бы слишком жирно требовать, что бы мы могли собрать персонажа за несколько дней фарма. В том же ХСР мы фармим целый месяц + -, что бы с нуля одеть персонажа до максимума. Стоит посчитать ресурсы и выявить сколько потребуется дней, что бы возвысить персонажа до 90 лвл, возвысить оружие до 90 лвл и навыки до 10 лвл, добавить фарм эхо, но при этом нужно учитывать ивенты на ресурсы примерно. Это сложно, но возможно не все так плохо как кажется😅 Так же не стоит забывать, что у нас еще только старт игры и поэтому с течением времени будет больше ресурсов, больше ивентов, лучше награды. На сколько я помню в ХСР на старте игры было очень тяжело развиваться тоже)) В добавок ко всему, в дальнейшем у нас будут копиться ресурсы и мы уже не будем замечать какую-то нехватку.

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

After maxing my characters I will still be in no rush to farm echoes. Especially when I can roll 5 BASIC FLAT STATS overall. Why can I hit two of the same flat stats from the main stat. 4 step RNG: 50/50 getting the correct echo drop. 50/50 correct element. 1/10 correct main stats. 1/10 correct substat. Then we have to get the mats...

[@kuratse205]

It's not that hard, just wait until you get the right main stat (only 4costs take actual time to get), then roll to +15 and toss if bad. Remember, crit rolls are FAR more valuable than any other substat. Double crit rolls are worth infinitely more than anything else you could get.

[@TSH425]

​@@kuratse205what do u mean 4* are the easiest to get since u can infinitely farm them and their main stats are less than 3*, 3* are the problem because the rng on them is absolutely terrible, have a shit ton of main stats, shit ton of sub stats u can legit go an entire day without getting 1 usuable 3* (based on the main stat alone) but atleast with 4* u will always end the day with atleast 1 good peace(based on main stat alone)

[@kuratse205]

@@TSH425 TFs at high world level only drops 3costs and Echo selectors are abundant. You dont need as high crit rolls for 3costs than you need for 4costs and 1costs, and you'd roll 3costs to +20 regardless unlike 1 and 4costs that you discard after +10

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

If you spam devs didn't listen would we get something different? 🤔 🤔

[@ScriptumChannel]

This is basically empty game, you understand it after 40 level, when you have max Echo, you can farm best Echos and actually it is literally no changes till the 100 level except minor changes. And they try to make this path to 100 level even longer because they understand that it is empty and hope you to stay before 100 level as longer as they can.

[@sirinkaslana6237]

YOOOOOO U HIT 100KKK LIKE THATS SO SO COOL

[@parkerthompson2893]

Everything about the echo system is killing this game for me.

[@analoque2412]

This game has good early-game content and (maybe) endgame, but Kuro really forget that players spend most of their time in the midgame and they make it frustratingly bad.