this is disgusting

[@DAngeloWallace]

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[@kiwii1027]

It certainly does not pass the vibe check 😔

[@XxDeku_butplugzxX]

I OOVE U

[@Just_YeTi]

Yooo

[@nameslesss]

Hey king

[@chishiy4]

stan celestia ludenberg

[@mrahim1342]

All of these laws that allow children to get married need to be abolished. Leaving it up to the parents gives space for shitty parents to allow their children to be exploited. This is so disgusting, as well as all of the grown ass adults that’s we’re coming after Courtney.

[@s__hhh]

Connecticut just raised the marriage age to 18! Which means (I'm pretty sure) that someone over 18 cant marry someone younger than 18. Sadly this is only the 5th state to do it. In my home state, Missouri, I believe it's legal for an 11 year old to get married to an adult with parental consent.

[@siesaw1]

@@s__hhh 11?! Holy shit that's so messed up..

[@lesbiangoddess290]

@@s__hhh that's way too illegal in the UK, thank god.

[@Ma5jay5dontxdoxthat]

@@lesbiangoddess290 im half sure its legal in some parts of the UK with parents consent too

[@Rainjojo]

@@s__hhh 18/19 is still an odd number to settle for imo

[@alessandra00]

So adults saw a child that they suspected was being abused, and decided to isolate them further by bullying and shaming them.

[@orangxjuicx3617]

Yup 👍 sounds about right! What a fantastic world we live in 🤩

[@proudbarb4083]

Since when are “teen” and “child” synonyms? In most of the world 16 is a young adult.

[@zoeelizabweth]

@@proudbarb4083 in America where they are from the age of an adult is 18 they were 16 when this happened so yes they were a child

[@proudbarb4083]

@@zoeelizabweth minor≠child. We have different prerequisites such as baby, child, preteen, teen/adolescent, young adult, elder adult etc. Putting a 16yo young woman in the same category as a 5yo is insulting and misogynistic

[@arimomo3578]

@@proudbarb4083 if that's the most misogynistic thing you see in this situation and that's the only thing you're arguing... you need to get your priorities straight.

[@silviaov633]

They called the child "provocative" instead of the 51 year old "predatory" smh

[@maryclogston]

the patriarchy😩😩

[@MB-yl9hm]

It's sad how just because Courtney didn't register visually as a teenager, the fact that they were just 16 never impacted people as much as it should have. I never had to deal with the kind of upbringing Courtney did that made them want to alter their body, face, and mannerisms at such a young age in hopes of being perceived as older, but I did develop earlier than the other girls in my class and I remember being treated as though I was somehow more mature by the adults in my life. And I'm not necessarily talking about older men looking at me in a creepy way, I'm talking about teachers and parents looking at me and assuming I had more agency and capacity for responsibility than the other girls in my grade just because my body registered as someone older. I will admit that Courtney was very convincing at playing the part they clearly wanted to emulate at the time, that is to say a confident 20-something-year-old woman who has their life together, but you just need to listen to them talk for a few minutes to realize, "Holy shit, this is a child." The cognitive dissonance of reporters when this story came out is unbelievable. You have the facts right in front of you that this person has only existed on earth for 16 years, and yet the presence of bolt-on tits and poorly applied makeup is enough to make you forget that really crucial detail? Gross.

[@bukolaadetunmbi9705]

@@MB-yl9hm You really said it right, her talking should have given people enough confirmation that she is definitely a child still maturing.

[@nessaflom]

thats how its always been sadly

[@jlo08996]

“She’s a child... too young to consent... too young to know who she is or what she wants”.......”but I’m gunna respect her gender pronouns” because she’s old enough to recognize a duality in her sexuality/personality? Ummm no. It’s one or the other.

[@JannelLena]

I was groomed at 13-14 by a 28 yr old man that was my sister's bf. I remember when my family and everyone found out about it and I got called so many names and it was all my fault and I was a bad sister, none of it was on him. It was all me. It wasn't until my late 20s I realized how truly fucked up that situation was and that my family didn't stand up for me when my sister's bf basically took advantage of a fucking child that I truly was ! The mental gymnastics some people do to victim blame and justify predatory behavior is fucking ridiculous

[@Ava-nf2qq]

im so sorry wishing you lots of love and happiness ❤ you didn’t deserve that and i’m sorry to hear that but it’s amazing you got through it and if i were you i’d cut off toxic people like that immediately even family. that’s disgusting behaviour from your own family

[@boingskiizcomm1581]

im so sorry that this happened, the fact that you family, the people who should understand you, love you, and sit with you through everything made it seem you were doing something wrong is horrendous i can not begin to imagine how that made you feel, i hope you get everything you so utterly deserve 🫶

[@nerdwisdomyo9563]

That’s ridiculous

[@kelsielovesbbu]

i call it "the lolita argument" and it's just HORRIBLE. i am so sorry. i suffered similarly.

[@oddyorozuya6958]

I’m so sorry you had to go through this

[@Dani-fc7sj]

“It’s legal in 39 states” that sounds like a national problem not this 16 year old person’s problem.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

Aka "The Bojack Horseman Defense."

[@KingOfGaymes]

I really hope that’s changed cuz ew💀

[@rodolfodoce]

good luck with that.

[@bellale-shamalamadingdong418]

@@KingOfGaymes hasnt changed much, pretty sure its still legal in a lot of states

[@elijahwinchester6690]

@@ScorpionViper1001 i really wanted to like bojack, but after the whole new mexico trip, i lost my respect for him. also, tod is my child and i love him lmao.

[@violetsdior]

how come in these situations the child is always the focus? like they keep asking Courtney "why would you marry someone three times your age" instead of asking the fully grown man why he'd want to marry a child

[@user-jk5jo3xc5v]

LITERALLY

[@aloe_thera]

@@bluerosemaiden5945 you can edit it :P

[@verybarebones]

It's more uncomfortable to put a full grown man on the spot

[@happysillygoofy]

They also refer to their appearance as ‘provocative’??!! No matter how a child dresses they should never be regarded this way, especially by a news outlet. Tf?? That and insinuating it’s all their idea, a plot for attention, it’s clear that they only see this story as freakshow clickbait at best and framing Courtney as the villain at worst.

[@sweethheart]

@Dione Fernandes oh my fucking god stfu

[@emfaye23]

as a 16 year old, the idea of being alone in a room with a 51 year old man, let alone marrying one, terrifies me

[@danielavelasquez9524]

@EmmaLouise Akinleye ill second that 🖤

[@kathydelarosa1286]

I’m 21 and that’s still reaching for me 💀

[@cocob0l0]

I’m 18 and my dad is 52. So similar age difference as Courtney and Doug. I would rather literally cease to exist than ever even THINK about being with someone as old as my dad. I think I’m gonna be sick

[@brown_gurl]

Ahhhh kappa 😭

[@Squirreltasticqueen]

You don't have grandparents huh

[@myajanette]

Sooo… they talk to the 16 year old like they CHOSE to marry him, and give him his little sympathy card about his failed marriages. Their parents failed them, and that man is disgusting.

[@myajanette]

I’m just glad they’re no longer together, but I hope Courtney can heal from this.

[@kamcalste]

what sucks is that the amount of backlash Courtney got from the public probably pushed them even deeper into their groomer's influence. they felt like it was them and their partner against the world, and the world went ahead and confirmed that in spades.

[@whatthehellisthis]

in the daily beast article, courtney mentioned that doug would always say that he lost everything for them sort of as a way to keep them in his clutches, so you’re correct.

[@saltedwounds]

@@whatthehellisthis wow, that’s crazy. I can believe it but crazy. I still don’t get how it’s legal to MARRY someone at age 16.

[@thelonleyUchiha1]

That’s probably why he had her reading those hate comments in those clips. Using it to make her fear the rest of the world and not leave him

[@cvn4135]

@@thelonleyUchiha1 *them

[@NotimeforThis-fd4ye]

16 is a minor, and by law minors don’t choose. Their mother technically chose. The implants, the marriage and the media appearances. Mum had to sign off on all of it and she did. Stop reaching, you’ll pull something 🙄

[@notyourdestiny3547]

They were more cornered that Courtney had plastic surgery than if they were being abused by this 50 y/o man. Literally disgusting.

[@akatastrophe]

What is *wrong* with people? I can’t believe they’re so quick to bring down younger people. It doesn’t make any sense.

[@Aaaaaaaalonika]

I can imagine the “they’re too young to be making those decisions about their body” but not the “she’s too young to get married. This man should not take advantage of her because of that” comments. I’m sure there were a ton.

[@karinajuarezc]

loooooove your profile pic btw

[@crazierthanusince96]

All of this internalized misogyny is toxic as hell and unfortunately this is the perfect situation (among many) to showcase that

[@pixelscanon]

💯 agree. That tv show was disgusting AF

[@rikkicrowder7134]

As an older Millenial its pretty interesting to see younger people discovering just how fucked up the culture of the 00's actually was

[@karinaf8326]

A lot of Millenials probably think same way and are open minded, the problem was that we didn’t have social media the way they have now so we couldn’t really call out certain behaviors.

[@layton6202]

you old as fuck

[@youdroppedsomething4334]

@@layton6202 bruh

[@bassetts1899]

As another older millennial, I take no pride or pleasure in saying I fucking hated the culture back then. I remember despising rwj and Shane Dawson at the height of their popularity. Shit sucked.

[@nialapin]

Thank you! The 2000's were REALLY bad...

[@burntbread12]

The fact D'Angelo talked about this subject so respectfully and seriously, while at the same time using their prefered pronouns is the reason I have so much respect for this man. Thank you D'Angelo, for simply existing

[@burntbread12]

@Antalya Ahmed ur literally subbed to jeffree starr and matt walsh u cannot be talking 💀💀 and imagine scrolling through comments just to add ur hate to the fire lmfao get a life

[@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748]

@@antalyaahmed2211 Bro is mad.

[@GoldenWreck]

@@antalyaahmed2211 Someone needs a life

[@chocomelo454]

I mean... why would he not? Courtney isn't in the wrong here they're a victim. People usually only misgender if the person is in the wrong and did a terrible thing. Not that it's okay but I don't think it'd be a suprise that someone who's being respectful would respect the victim that kinda comes hand in hand

[@a84jdu3uc7d]

d'angelo is wonderful. Like bro look at the lad, he's handsome, smart, funny, talented and respectful?? there should be more d'angelos in the world

[@maekae95]

I remember so vividly when this happened because Courtney is only a year older than me and my dad is the same age as Doug. My dad actually sat me down and talked to me about how wrong it was and that I shouldn't let whats being said about Courtney confuse me and that I needed to understand how wrong Doug was and that Courtney was a victim. He was so mad about the way the marriage was being covered and so disgusted by a man his age being so blatantly abusive and gross. He was also worried about how me and my friends might be affected because he didn't want us to think that any of this was normal or okay. He lost a lot of respect for several newscasters, including Anderson Cooper, directly because of their treatment of this situation and of Courtney.

[@iCrazy13]

Your dad sounds awesome.

[@maekae95]

@@iCrazy13 he really is, I’ve been very lucky to have him steering me in the right direction despite what the media and popular culture has tried to convince me over the years

[@honeyswann]

Your dad is swag

[@everythingwoodsy]

My faith in man kind is restored.

[@anniedangerface]

You’re very fortunate to have a dad like that, he sounds like a good dude and I’m glad you had someone who could give you any needed perspective :)

[@bea4828]

Chrissy literally treated it like all she did was push a kid in school, then apologize for pushing, but only apologized to the teacher/principle/guardian, and not the student they pushed.

[@reeeereeeee]

ACCURATE

[@ratstanduser]

True

[@killmewhileimahead]

More like she continually beat a student and then did all that. She terrorized that child for MONTHS. I would not be surprised if more stuff surfaces of her being mean and cruel consistently like that. I mean, who puts that weird thing about the urine in a food blog?????

[@bea4828]

@@killmewhileimahead EXACTLY! It's really gross.

[@kristacalai9773]

Wow. this is a great simile.

[@caitlinistired1050]

The fact that everyone is questioning COURTNEYS mentality and explaining why THEY should not be married. “Their frontal lobe is not developed” “They can’t think of consequences” I’m not hearing any “He is a p***ophile”

[@proudbarb4083]

He could be called an ephebophile... but 18 and 19 year olds are legal adults so where do we draw the line at ephebophilia??

[@haileys5224]

@@proudbarb4083 a Middle aged man trying to get with a fresh 18 or 19yrs is definitely a predator, wdym? The brain is fully developed at 25 if person with a full developed brain, actively tried to date people with significantly underdeveloped brain, they are a predator. It’s not a hard concept. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it not weird and gross.

[@LunarEleven]

The point of discussing the capacity of a 16 yr old to choose marriage is because the reason a 50 yr old predator was able to legally rope a child into marriage is *because* the law fails to recognize this important biological/neurological fact. It's not criticizing the victim. This is about the obsolete laws, the adult taking advantage of the underdevelopment of a child AND the adults who allowed it (their parents)

[@LunarEleven]

@@haileys5224 that's exactly what they were saying, there was no need for you to get on a high horse there. The insinuation of their statement was that just being legally an "adult" (18) may put it in a legal/ethical grey area but does not make it ok or make him not a predator.

[@no_one2197]

Thank's for this comment, victims of this type of abuse get so much hate is unreal.

[@amy9215]

Not only did Chrissy Teigan bully a survivor of sexual abuse, but she has some creepy past tweets about kids. She's literally so disgusting.

[@trenecer3658]

“Omg I have no clue on why young people don’t speak up on sexual abuse and grooming.” Idk maybe it’s because we live in a society that will everything in its power to belittle and blame the victim while protecting the predator

[@Ilikefrogs..]

The fact that we even expect child victims of abuse to speak up instead of placing the onus on adults to STOP DOING IT, is disgusting.

Exactly. I spoke up and went after my attacker and going through that was actually worse than the attack itself. They try to break you as a victim so you'll drop the case

[@Topperisbae]

It’s literally baked into our laws and has been repeatedly upheld despite people trying to change it: “A minor can't file for a divorce because they're not considered old enough to do it. That's because marriage is considered a contract, and most laws stipulate that only adults can enter into contracts. So, if a minor wants to change their marriage contract, they need an adult to help them do it.” This is a fact in the United States, please remember to look voting for and passing bills that either make it so children can’t be married off or at least one that lowers the age you can get a divorce on your own to include children (as a bandaid solution if nothing else).

[@monbub]

They don't speak up because of adults not believing them or victim blaming them. My heart goes out to child abuse victims

[@trenecer3658]

@@monbub it is very tragic especially if the abuser is a family member because then people will say, "But they're your family." when you wish to cut contact or talk about it

[@bobbi5355]

It took me 8 YEARS to get away from my groomer! I had to literally sneak out with my daughter and fly across the country without him knowing. I dont have an education because he took me out of highschool, i dont know how to drive, I’ve never had a bank account, i have literally ZERO friends. It was so scary. Im so glad this person got out too!

[@sita5758]

I’m sorry that happened to you! I hope you and your daughter are doing better now

[@Twiddle_things]

I'm so sorry about what happened to you. What happened to you was disgusting, and I know as a fact you didn't deserve that, even though I don't know you

[@bobbi5355]

@@Twiddle_things thats so sweet im crying thank you 😭❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@bobbi5355]

@ReSoNaNcE BuGG thank you so much!😭❤️

[@bobbi5355]

@@sita5758 were doing so much better thank you!🙏❤️

[@spagheddie69]

Chrissys apology really said “you guys love me so much and it makes me sad when I do things that make you love me less” what is this “beloved” nonsense

[@GoldRubyProduction]

You said it perfectly, that's exactly how I perceived her tweet 👏🏽

[@brainysprite]

I cringed when D'Angelo read that out. So gross for her to say that.

[@Usshamma]

And unfortunately her brain dead followers fell for it and are like “you are not the person you were 10 years ago and you should be accountable for it” I’m like ???

[@olhydra]

Yup. Very narcissistic sounding language for her to use. (Not diagnosing her, just saying it reads like something a narcissist would say.)

[@snoozyq9576]

Its like how a child would apologise or something it's so dumb.

[@maggiekarabel123]

Courtney was heavily accused of being on drugs at the time and as a recovered addict I saw the signs of benzo use too. Instead of being concerned that perhaps they were being drugged or self medicating to escape the reality of their situation, people just made fun of Courtney’s behavior. At the time I was horrified, and I’m keeping that energy. Courtney is a fucking warrior and deserves a good life.

[@paolacarmichael611]

*their situation. They go by they them pronouns

[@emilyrasputin]

I'm only at 11:30 and I've had the same revelation already. Listening to them talk in that interview is really concerning

[@the-postal-dude]

@@paolacarmichael611 no, they go by she/they. it says that on their instagram.

[@MK1vids]

Literally, everyone--every adult in Courtney's life FAILED them. This was insanely hard to watch all the way through.

[@BBrunnel]

Yup! One thing people aren't discussing is when Courtney and their mum went on mother daughter bootcamp, it was revealed that Doug was dating the mother first and then groomed Courtney. As a result, their mum became super resentful of them. Krista is a sick individual. Watching her on the show was soooooo infuriating because she was so emotionally absive towards Courtney. They deserved so much better and I'm happy they are doing better now.

[@monbub]

as a 16 year old myself, I am absolutely disgusted and uncomfortable

[@TOMIEUNDEAD]

@@monbub bruh I’m 26 and I would never That is so gross 🤮

[@despairdoll]

courtney's story is devastating i hope they're able to heal and find the peace they deserve one day..

[@ilooklikekirby]

@@BBrunnel oh my god that’s so heartbreaking 🥺 from the very beginning, their mother was always hateful towards her daughter or else she would NEVER have let that happen to Courtney in the first place. 😔

[@samdwimch7345]

I am unbelievably upset with the adults in this situation. The fact that people decided to go after Courtney and not the 51 year old man who decided to marry a 16 year old is vile.

[@Fillardmillmore]

Vile is the perfect word for pretty much every aspect of this situation, other than Courtney's escape which I'm so thankful that they were able to leave

[@JTScott1988]

Or the mother who sold her into it

[@CruzinCait]

@@JTScott1988 both parents did, which is way worse ugh so bad

[@FoxGameCZ]

Also the fact people find these relationships acceptable disgust me

[@Mostlikelee]

Thank you i was looking for this comment

[@yvannab.1260]

The fact that Chrissy Teigen still has Courtney Stodden blocked on twitter even though Chrissy put out an “apology” to Courtney on her twitter is so childish and weird.

[@ochahap]

ikr way to apologize to everyone except the person you hurt

[@youngdevil5010]

Were you expecting better from her though

[@christinanatarelli8827]

That reveals all right there lol still has her blocked but claimed she messaged her privately? Ooooh I smell B.S haha

[@victoriaojeda4913]

i would actually call it fake haha

[@Liberalbeaststl]

...or it says everything about her character, or lack there of.

[@AliciaMajo]

It's insane how cult-like abuse techniques are. I was groomed and abused by a guy when I had just turned 17 (he was going on 25) and he isolated me from my friends by threatening self harm, when all I wanted was a sleepover, and I wasn't allowed to go see my parents without him. I remember vividly telling him "oh I'm gonna go see my dad this weekend" and him throwing a temper tantrum and yelling at me because I was "ruining his plans", to which I explained he didn't have to come with me, I was fine going by myself, and he started accusing me of not being able to go by myself, all the way to trying to cheat on him being the reason why I "wanted" to go by myself. It was so verbally/physically abusive, I thought it was normal to be berated for hours, and that I was a bad person, and a slut. What opened my eyes weirdly, was "cheating" (I told him I needed a break, and was on that break) on him and spending time with actually good people. Until the final straw when he hit me so hard I had a huge bruise on my shoulder and a big gash from his ring. I hid at my friend's place, and he saw the bruise, and lost it. 2 days later, 2 of my friends and I pulled up in a car, he started screaming at me that I made a mess and needed to clean up my stuff, to which I answered that he wouldn't have to worry about that because my stuff wouldn't be there anymore. And I moved out. It took me a year and a half, my bestfriend slapping me in the face, and all of my friends telling me to leave, to actually get away. I can't imagine the hell that Courtney went through.

[@AliciaMajo]

(P.S: I forgot one of my favourite jackets in there that he never gave back. Sad, but I'm not going back for it)

[@SA-dq7sr]

I had an extremely similar situation to yours. I was groomed when I was 16 by a man who was almost a decade older than me. The next 4 years were spent being gaslighted, abused physically/mentally/financially by this man. He was not welcome by my family for obvious reasons and so Christmas eve one year I had "spent too much time with my family" and he threw me on the couch and choked me to the point where I almost lost consciousness. This was a constant pattern in that relationship. The last straw was when he began strangling me while I was behind the wheel of my car and ordered me to get in the passenger seat. Thats when he got in the driver seat and drove to an abandoned parking lot and threatened to kill me. I'm glad you got out of that situation and I hope you are able to heal.

[@AliciaMajo]

@@SA-dq7sr I am so sorry you had to go through all of this, I hope you have a good support system now, and that you're safe. If you ever want to talk about it I can give you my snapchat or something. But you are so strong for coming out the other way like this, and being able to talk about it. I hope you're happy

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

❤❤❤❤❤ I’m glad you had someone at least

[@alim.9801]

That is so horrifying, I'm so sorry you went through that. What I AM glad for tho is the fact that you had at least one friend that helped you get out and supported you, bless that dude man. I hope you're healing ok and doing ok these days. Sending hugs man 💜💜 you were extremely brave to leave and you did the right thing

[@ericajay6531]

Fun fact: you can't file for divorce while you're underage without your parents permission

[@cori7209]

Are you serious? Wow. It actually doesnt surprise me!

[@monkiram]

That's so much more disturbing than being able to get married with your parents' permission. There are literally parents that sell their children to child-traffickers. Laws like this essentially treat children like property to be sold and traded at the will of their parents and abusers.

[@yellobanana6456]

That's not a very fun fact

[@SpringSoDigital]

Doesn’t sound fun to me💀

[@ytlokop]

When will the aliens come destroy Earth already?

[@Magicme79]

I remember talking to someone that works with sexually abused children and he said that it wasn’t unusual for them to act suuuuuper sexually towards adults and come on really strong. Because that was how they had learned to act towards grown men. I feel like that explains Courtney Stodden.

[@TreebeardsHome]

Yes! One coping mechanism of sexual abuse is hyper sexuality. To gain back power in some way. So, likely another predator took advantage of them before they married. Coming from a survivor of decades of childhood assault, I can only imagine how this type of grooming & repeated trauma over years will affect them. I hope they find healing & justice.

[@dearinsomniadontletthebedb9237]

Yup, no one ever talks about hypersexuality...

[@temposhop8739]

There's sexual trauma, and then there's also what psychologists describe as natural precociousness in children testing their power. I recall growing up fairly innocent and seeing high school guy's little sisters sitting on the laps of all their bro's friends and their dads, and hanging all over them. I remember thinking it was weird and gross, but apparently it's natural to a degree. Which opens a window for older people to take advantage of them, all the while being able to think the younger girl knows what she's doing.

[@ThymeofGhost]

@@TreebeardsHome I mean I can’t imagine a world where a man or mother would let someone older than them both marry and date their daughter at the age of 16. Their ex husband is 3 years older than her father. I’m not a age gap fan period but if your dad and mom are younger than your husband I think you should re-evaluate

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

That is a really good point & I feel that symptom of child abuse doesn't get discussed enough. Being ignorant of that affect can lead into some victim blaming too. Similar actions can also happen in a child when they have been neglected by their main carers, have low self-esteem & any interest is taken as positive interest, including sexual interest from other people. So they end up being sexual just to please other people but they also get short term enjoyment from being wanted & appreciated, for once. The fact that their parents were happy to hand her over to a middle aged man to marry suggests neglect. Although I would not be surprised that if that neglect lead to her being preyed on by other people before then.

[@user-qr8co6hp4r]

“You can tell he has the age of consent memorized in every single state” 💀

[@calvinmartinez1968]

had me dead 💀

[@nayowo6806]

Onision vibes

[@KelseyDrummer]

@@nayowo6806 EXACTLY what I was thinking.

[@gothiccck6296]

This is why grooming is illegal in the rest of the world (why is it legal in the US???)

[@MmmMulholland]

ONISION

[@carissamarie7833]

I actually started crying when you read that Courtney realized they were being abused and got a divorce. I always wondered what happened to them, that story really stuck with me when I was younger

[@sephiraabraxas9146]

Tell me how checking a teenager for breast implants on national tv with everyone clapping not a scene straight out from South Park?

[@ScrawnyTreeDemon]

Jesus fucking christ, you put it into words. If you'd told me this shit with no context, I would have straight up assumed it was from South Park. My god.

[@slushieteddiluna3104]

That's an eww from me, why would checking a teenager for breast implants on national tv is good? I seen everything, I am going to mars right now, anyone coming?

[@Sara-nk3cj]

@@slushieteddiluna3104 its revolting. let's go to Mars

[@apinchofdisappointment]

It gave me Black Mirror vibes it was so bizarre & disgusting I’m done with this planet

[@slushieteddiluna3104]

@@Sara-nk3cj Yeah, yeah, anyways is there a tech that can teleport my house to mars :D

[@Cocochantelle]

His mother cut him off...I wonder how painful it must feel to know you raised a person who turned out to be a predator. What a nightmare

[@thesuperfoxx1127]

I agree, the idea of trying your best as a parent for them to turn out like that is absolutely terrifying. I’m so glad they got away from that creep

[@filmgalore8850]

@FMIYOF TV did you fucking watch the video? he was 51 years old and she was a child who was clearly manipulated.

[@helloisitmeurlookingfor5898]

@FMIYOF TV b r u h

[@whoaaa]

@FMIYOF TV There was someone in the video saying that 16 year olds have trouble making right decisions because their brains aren't fully developed. Wanna know why their brains aren't fully developed??? Because they are CHILDREN. Even if it was for fame and money (not because a creepy 51 year old man groomed her or anything) an adult, honestly any adult, should have stopped her because she is a child and too young to make decisions like that. Come on man you're better than this.

[@missliss2581able]

@FMIYOF TV hey look everyone, found the predator. If you think a 51 year old man and a 16 year old child are equally responsible for the exploitation of said child, please seek therapy.

[@no.42]

Chrissy really sent someone who was being groomed death threats almost making a TEEN k!ll themselves and apologized only for disappointing her fans and not her self.I feel so bad for Courtney :/

[@Ashas.Garden]

This one.

[@minyaye5006]

She smells.

[@harlow8979]

I dont understand this comment as a non native english speaker- So is it "..Who was being groomed, DEATH THREATS, almos making a teen oof themselves" ?? Im sorry if this is annoying i just get disorientated with english easily.

[@Ashas.Garden]

@@HighlighterBoyes To add: Christy was harassing a highly sexualized 16 year old who was surrounded by users (her mother acted as her pimp and “sold” her to a 50-something broke never-was) and the poor child was paying all of their bills with her amateurish singing/performing and appearances discussing her old marriage.

[@harlow8979]

@@HighlighterBoyes Thank you so much! English is very hard lol

[@spiderev]

Love how the entire chat is going *✨JAIL✨* like as they should 😌

[@aspen9928]

Does it bother anyone else that the voiceover lady talked about Courtney’s “provocative appearance” at 5:00 and then said they were 16 years old

[@dritabrown]

yes who calls a teen provocative :/

[@aspen9928]

@@dritabrown exactly! (Tw/ Rape ment) it really gives me “they were asking for rape” vibes

[@megangwilliam5343]

I was legit about to comment the same thing

[@theflowerhead]

@@aspen9928 creepy af

[@mochipengin]

EXACTLY this was triggering af

[@greenbird6435]

They literally failed them.... i am just so disgusted... everyone from their parents, Chrissy, Anderson Cooper and everyone who directed all eyes on the victim instead of focusing on the groomer should all be ashamed of themselves

[@greenbird6435]

Stroden literally wouldn't be in so much pain as they are in right now if it weren't for these assholes victim blaming and making them seem like the crazy teenager doing wacky teenager things instead of focusing on the groomer manipulating them into getting into that relationship in the first place. Sure they would still would've groomed and hurt but it wouldn't be for this long and it would've been much simpler (not implying it would've been easy but the realization would've hit them much less if everybody would've been against the groomer instead)

[@ilexdiapason]

im not all the way into the video, but surely you mean *failed them?

[@greenbird6435]

@@ilexdiapason when i said failed her i was talking about courtney strodden who was a victim of grooming

[@geo3898]

@@greenbird6435 i think they meant that we should be using they/them pronouns instead of she/her for Courtney since they're non-binary

[@greenbird6435]

@@geo3898 oh shit i didnt know im sorry im editing it

[@AAR0fan]

I could accept the “I was a different person back then” argument if it was only one mean tweet, but she CONTINUOUSLY bullied a MINOR at 26.

[@sarahgooey]

didnt she also delete inappropriate tweets about literal kids

[@TititoDeBologay]

@@sarahgooey She did. But It’s respect my privacy when It comes to her kids. Her Twitter beef with Piece of Shit Morgan, was projection all along . Coz both are made of the same rancid cloth. They can ditch but not take. Nincompoops.

[@KO-vb4tg]

@Jeff Fun lol, yeah. Not like trump did the same to Greta Thunberg, also a child. Trump got as good as he gave regarding harassment. He’s a bad example.

[@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201]

@@KO-vb4tg he also bullied a disabled journalist on live TV just because he felt like it. Greta just wants the earth to be a better place and old men decided to bully her for it.

[@stephanieramadhar9585]

@Jeff Fun Trump is a grown ass man don't Trump sympathize this ain't the place for it 🙄

[@zasiadavis]

This video hit home…I was a victim of grooming and had a child with the person. But thankfully, I got out. The only good thing I got out of that situation was my child. Thank you D’Angelo for not only shedding light on this situation but for also defending them throughout the entire video. I love your videos and listening to you talk about anything you want is so relaxing and always enjoyable. Keep up the amazing work you do❤️

[@emalicia5771]

the way the news makes them look like the bad person and says “they were an alcoholic at rock bottom” like foh thats a PREDATOR

[@emma-cb6wh]

exactly they want you to sympathize with him. it’s disgusting

[@mbappeapologist]

them*

[@humsss]

*them

[@gabbys4258]

*them

[@eriknephrongfr8847]

You’ve petitioned the 39 states permitting this predation to stop immediately, no doubt.

[@swiper-no-swiping]

2011, 26 year old chrissy tiegan: telling an abused teenager to delete themselves 2021, 26 year old courtney stodden: more kind and forgiving than i could ever be says a lot, huh

[@wittyblonde6728]

@swiper no swiping Exactly! Courtney can run circles around Chrissy in terms on maturity. Internet culture was so much worse back then... but even then telling someone to commit suicide was looked down upon.

[@wildfire9280]

“wE aLl mAke ‘mIsTakEs’”

[@wandering4786]

The one thing I disagree with him about though was saying it wasn’t normal to hate on teens during 2011. I was 15 in 2011, and I would say the response to her was very expected. . .Thanks to MTV and the nature of of trashy reality shows - I think it was normalized to see gross old men dating a bunch of young girls. And these girls were always seen as gold diggers. The men were seen as cool.

[@ticccylikeasniccy4651]

It would be one thing if Chrissy was also 16/17 at the time and saying this stuff while falling back on “it was the culture then”. But she was 26 then and that’s a little too close to 30 to be blaming youth for something

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@ticccylikeasniccy4651 I pity the children of hers and John... i dont like John either, i saw smth he said about mj but what both wrote about their kids(maybe i am wrong)

[@HanasRoom]

This was hard to relive. I was maybe 17 when this was everywhere and I had teachers and staff in my public school openly mocking teenage girls that they'll either become that or are motivated to become her... like what teenager strives to be abused by adults? AND ON THE PUBLIC STAGE?!!

[@pretzel9093]

I'm a sixteen-year-old girl, and my dad is fifty-one. This is not normal, it should never have been allowed to happen, and I'm relieved Courtney has gotten out. This makes me feel sick.

[@monbub]

same girl both my parents are in their 50's

[@starnathanstar]

I'm 17 whilst my dad is 46. The thought of dating someone his age disgusts me. I'm relieved they got out of that horrible situation too.

[@Alinka909]

I'm 23 and my mom is 46. This is absolutely revolting

[@hieithefox]

I am only 31 and you are like a baby compared to me this is revolting

[@elizabethevenson6110]

@@hieithefox yeah, when i was 32 one of my close friends' youngest daughter was living with me for a number of reasons so obviously i spent a lot of time around her and her friends. basically my feelings about both her and her friends were "extended family/protective/auntie-ish" (she was about 16 at the time and her friends were mostly around the same age). i DEFINITELY did not want to date/hook up with any of them.

[@Greytick]

“she was saving herself for me” holy hell that is the most disgusting thing ever heard coming out of that man’s mouth... she’s 16 bruh

[@robinrobbielee]

*they're

[@aileen456]

Courtney's pronounce are they/them

[@britvica]

Saving...with 16 she just started with saving!!! Saving? She just blossomed! Saving ist 24 year old virgin. He/she saved themselves for about 8 years! How long was she saving herself? A week? A month?

[@elle2515]

@@britvica please use they/them for courtney, those are their pronouns

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@britvica this makes me wanna cry

[@luhanpost2014]

My mom was absolutely disgusted when it happened. I remembered her saying to her friends “can you imagine dating a 16 year old boy?!!”

[@lilithcrow6675]

That is because your mom isn't a monster.

[@monochromegreyson]

@@Legooma op is talking about their own mom. Not Courtney.

[@Legooma]

@@monochromegreyson oh sorry I misread

[@monochromegreyson]

@@Legooma hey, no worries! I do stuff like that all the time lol.

[@Legooma]

@@monochromegreyson yea

[@alexkasper5029]

okay, but doug hutchinson played the incredibly creepy serial killer/alien "tooms" on the x-files and gillian anderson said that he was also unbelievably creepy on the set and she didn't want to be in a room alone with him....

[@daniboy4153]

Ah he has history. That's... Terrifying

[@angie5430]

The most insane thing is realizing that now, Courtney isn't even 30 yet.... they were so young and truly deserved none of the things they experienced

[@minjaarsic3327]

I'm realizing how close I am to their age and how young they *still are* and it's terrifying. they really should not have gone through any of it, from the abuse to the nationwide bullying that happened. as D'Angelo said, how was no one turning that outrage on to the abuser in all this??

[@whatthehellisthis]

@@minjaarsic3327 the media’s weird obession with shaming women/afab people

[@LakinMae5]

I’m 25, and she is younger than me!

[@whatthehellisthis]

@@LakinMae5 they’re 26

[@LakinMae5]

@@whatthehellisthis it is late and I am bad at math.

[@nargacuga05]

The whole “couldn’t drink but could consummate the marriage” feels like an actual criticism rather than sensationalism

[@hcmint4heart]

I screamed EW

[@laneythelame]

Oh yepp

[@alzbetal1499]

I agree but pls why would you say it like that

[@kgot8943]

@@alzbetal1499 if you wanna point out how fucked up the situation is, I think this wording that causes such a visceral reaction was actually well chosen

[@alzbetal1499]

@@kgot8943 yeah I guess, but to me it sounded more like they were trying to shock and it was degrading to Courtney

[@TheVideoChatter]

Chrissie is not sorry for bullying Courtney, she's sorry that she's been exposed and is getting canceled

[@jumpingfrog740]

*held accountable

[@mateovergara7693]

the jimin/mina situation ina nutshell:

[@TheVideoChatter]

@@jumpingfrog740 👆💯right. This goes far beyond being “cancelled” this is more about reaping the consequences for her terrible actions and words towards a child.

[@squashforsale8466]

@@jumpingfrog740 what’s the difference?

[@sid_00x99]

@@squashforsale8466 one is calm & doesn't start unnecessary arguments. another causes mass genocide across the internet.

[@nityawanage6144]

I love how Chrissy tagged Courtney in the tweets where she was telling them to kill themselves But just did not tag them in the apology Like yes that seems alright 🙂🙂🙂

[@mollymcmackins8311]

If that doesn't make people call ths bluff Idk what will

[@srlong1123]

I turned 17 in 2011. This was 1000% not normal then. This story is a nightmare, and I’m so glad Courtney has gotten free from this relationship.

[@youbiscuit2146]

Yeah, watching that news story I can kinda see it being made in the 90s/early 2000s. I guess 2011 was still pre-metoo but i still woulda thought we had moved past that.

[@KitheCreativeArtist]

@@youbiscuit2146 even premetoo people with common decency have always existed, unfortunately bastards in power are a little more loud and we’re easily able to put the blame on her

[@bigmona2741]

What’s upsetting is that nobody was on board with this when it happened but the girl has a million interviews defending it and portraying sex kitten vibes all the time. She wanted this as much as the man did. She became a reality show star afterwards. And regardless of how anyone feels, she was of legal age to make that choice.

[@TPRKH]

@@bigmona2741 I’m not exactly sure if you are blaming a 16 year old who’s decision-making is scientifically not developed. Your language makes it seem like you are blaming the victim in this situation. They were sixteen years old. HIGH SCHOOL AGE. The fully grown, predatory adults in the situation, from the news to their parents to the entertainment media and to the gross, pathetic stain of a man who decided to marry a LITERAL CHILD are the only people to blame. This wouldn’t have even been possible if their parents didn’t sign them off to get married. So before you use the phrase “sex kitten” in any association with a 16 year old child again, maybe think about your words first. Additionally, if you are blaming the child, then seek HELP. Rewatch this video or go get educated because blaming a victim, saying it was their choice is wholly wrong. We all have stupid thoughts that we act on as teenagers. But, if it’s this public, it has to backed by a myriad of gross, pathetic adults. Don’t blame them. The man who groomed a child should be in jail and getting all the blame, not being treated as a victim of circumstance. If he had an ounce of human decency, he would have backed off the moment he found out they were THREE TIMES YOUNGER than HIM. It doesn’t matter how a child portrays themself or dresses, if you can’t recognize that they are a child and not to be blamed or viewed sexually, then seriously, reevaluate your morals.

[@TPRKH]

@@bigmona2741 Also, Courtney is non-binary and goes by they/them pronouns. Edit your comment or better yet, delete it.

[@jleota]

Not all the media in this situation blaming a child and not the parents or the adult they married. Smh

[@thatgirlinautumn5995]

Tale as old as time etc. etc.

[@s__hhh]

Also ignoring that in some states it's legal for 11 year olds to get married with parental consent. In most states it's 14. And that's not just another child marrying a child, it's someone older than 18 marrying a child.

[@wilder4365]

Right, they should all be blamed

[@mjp7671]

@semi um no, not the kid...

[@mjp7671]

@@wilder4365 not the CHILD

[@sleepypenguinproductions]

As a 26 year old, the mere thought of focusing so much of my attention and energy on making a literal child feel uncomfortable and unsafe is outrageous. That’s not the kinda personality you just grow out of.

[@proudbarb4083]

Just say teenager. It’s not that hard. 16 isn’t a child

[@thedanpride]

When I was 21, in college, one of my classmates was sort of flirting with me. He was 18. I knew that that wasn't illegal, and that 3 years isn't a huge gap, but 18 just seemed way to young for me then. I was also using tinder when I was 24, and the default range for me was 18-32. I bumped it up to 20-32 immediately because 18-19 still felt way too young, and shortly after that I bumped it up to 22-32 because even the 20 year olds seemed too young for me.

[@toastarkat]

@@proudbarb4083 It's an older child, still a child. When you're that age you're still figuring out life. Guess what? The "child stage" you're thinking of does the exact same thing as well. Please don't try to justify this.

[@emilyb.8219]

@@proudbarb4083 Why is that the thing you're focused on in this situation?

[@victorybeginsinthegarden]

Anderson should be cancelled too

[@fatproductions2550]

I am a mother of a 15 yr old. It be a cold day in hades before I allow this. No dice. Where is the parenting, disgusting, that man needs prison time.

[@dannimonroe8703]

I love how the new reporters used the “a teen’s brain isnt fully developed” argument against the child and not the adult 🙄

[@freshlybakedsporks]

If you're talking about the clips of the psychiatrist, to be fair I think her point was that it is still creepy for an adult to marry/pursue a teen even if the teen claims to be consenting, because they may not be able to fully understand what they're consenting to.

[@proudbarb4083]

“Child” they were a young woman

[@immasnakeee6460]

@@proudbarb4083 16 is very much a child

[@proudbarb4083]

@@immasnakeee6460 16 is an adolescent... stop infantilizing young women. Teens are developmentally very different from children. Children can’t drive or work. Children can’t consent. 16 year olds can do all those things.

[@Trollestiatumblur]

@@proudbarb4083 Yikes dude. I’m not calling a 16 year old or any adolescence a “woman”. 18, 19, 20, and 21 year olds are young women.... not kids 12-17.

[@BR-zh6vp]

"She wasn't famous back then so she was just a random bully." How many celebrities suddenly shape up once they realize how much money they could lose if the mass media saw their true colors? I'm literally making a list in my head of SEVERAL popular celebs who would have no career if only anyone blasted their Twitter, IG, live stream or hell, *real life* histories....

[@hartley9003]

Uh huh.Hell,some of this stuff is right there on the surface,it's not like you have to dig too deep.People just don't want to face the truth

[@gabrielavega1114]

Is Jeffree Star in the top 5 of that list?

[@jessislistless]

It really is crazy how many celebrities and big KZbin were terrible people, publicly before making the big bucks. Even zoella had "dirt" on her twitter, mainly homophobic comments. And we may never know if they've truly changed. Everyone has uttered a distasteful statement or at least thought of them in their minds. At the end of the day, celebrities are people and people can be atrocious.

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@gabrielavega1114 He doesn’t bother hiding it though because it’s his whole schtick. He’s been cancelled so many times and he’s still thrive because people think he’s funny (ex:stan twitter) and love the drama. People are willing to discard morals if they find a problematic person entertaining.

[@ottiliemurrell7162]

@@parkchimmin7913Some people are.

[@jacinthdarcy1443]

"Not the James Charles defense" SKJDKKJDKJJKSJK I literally died when he said that.

[@yoongisgirlfriend9302]

Same💀😂😂💀

[@tiffprendergast]

Chewbacca?

[@monbub]

discord moderators are shaking

[@nownow3089]

"literally"?

[@Peachpetals111]

There’s no way John legend is as nice as he pretends to be if he is married to such a horrid woman

[@gRinchY-op5vr]

I've heard people say she's nice "because of him" now, still implies she was mean when they first met right? Also, I know meeting a certain person is supposed to bring out the best of us make us better people etc...nobody can tell me some part of this bully doesn't still exist? I feel like she'd have reached out of her own accord and apologised to Courtney and anyone else she bullied without them speaking out about it if so, and being 26 at the time isn't an excuse...it's just barely an excuse for people nearing the end of high school to behave poorly EDIT - I recently learned Chrissy made fun of Megan The Stallion for being shot in the foot by their ex boyfriend when that happened, so I take it back - she's still a bully and John Legend can't possibly be such a good guy and still be married to her when she acts like that 🤦‍♀️

[@xxxtatyonne222]

"He's the kind of person who has the age of consent memorized in every single state." *COUGH COUGH* ONISION

[@dysmissme7343]

👀

[@justatexasgirl5583]

That came to my mind as well..😖

[@thedotintheletteri]

Shallot Lester came to my mind when he said-

[@justatexasgirl5583]

@@thedotintheletteri Hahahaha! She’s so gross..

[@gibsonn2018]

I damn near cried at that clip of The Doctors proving Courtney’s breasts were real...they were a child 🧍🏾‍♀️

[@eleanormason2647]

It's so wild. Someone, somewhere, signed off on two doctors doing an ultrasound on a child to check whether they had implants, on live TV, and then got an audience to *cheer* when they proved she was "real"

[@modisedaeswatiniprincess6944]

Bruh so disgusting like why? Eww no stop please why was this allowed?

[@TreebeardsHome]

That’s assault of a minor, period. No one stood up for Courtney for their entire childhood. They deserve so much better. I hope they find healing & justice.

[@bigmona2741]

@@TreebeardsHome no it’s not

[@cindylilies]

@@bigmona2741 yes it is.

[@MarliAnguisette]

35 year old here, and let me say that I remember feeling so scared for her when it came out. My mother kept saying how she wanted to murder the guy.

[@MarliAnguisette]

@@kavoozle2145 You're right. I apologize. I was referencing back to 2011 when they hadn't come out as non-binary. Thank you for correcting me though.

[@gilfizoncharmedimsure9288]

@@MarliAnguisette thank you for being so respectful! As a general rule of thumb, when we refer to people before their transition, we use their current pronouns! (As in, Elliot page, he was an actor in Juno) as opposed to his dead name!

[@gothiccck6296]

Unfortunately grooming is legal in the US

[@MmmMulholland]

Same. I’m 36 now and it horrified me. I loved Doug’s work as well so it was sad to find out he was a heb. I felt sorry for her, she was young and silly and groomed. As any young woman is under 25 if dating older. They almost always regret it.

[@ThestralGlow]

"Why do we have so much room in our hearts for the bullies" is such a relevant statement to peoples' obsession with morally corrupt celebrities.

[@ebisawkward]

This video is giving me internalized mysoginy flashbacks to when I was also 16. They really had us believing that Courtney was the wrong one in this situation.

[@AmbiambiSinistrous]

I feel this point about internalized misogyny! Society holds women to these impossible feminine standards of beauty and devotion and youth and sexuality, and it was not common to reflect on the "not like other girls" ethos that many of us adopted as a way of "rejecting" those standards. So when someone like Courtney came along, presenting as almost this caricature of what we're told femininity is, everyone would just pile on, as if telling a sixteen year old child to go die would amount to telling patriarchal standards to die instead of just reinforcing misogyny.

[@once.upon.a.time.]

yes! When I found out they're literally a month younger than me, and then when I think of how I was at 16, it's repulsive!

[@alyssapinon9670]

I never heard of this story until now but knowing how internally misogynistic I was as a teenager I probably would have dogpiled on them* too. I would watch videos of grown adults making content on “cringey” teenagers and internalized a lot of those messages. God I want to punch my old self *edit- them

[@nobetawedielikemysanity]

@@once.upon.a.time. they*

[@once.upon.a.time.]

@@nobetawedielikemysanity my bad, thank you!

[@justcomments]

That body exam situation was terrifying. If a 16 year old could’ve had time to get implants and heal fully to fledge a career in showbiz, the people you ought to interrogate are the /parents/

[@littlepapaya]

Not to mention the exam was a literal sexual harassment on television

[@Harken4949]

So according to the internet Chrissy’s mother is 23 years younger than her father. Mother being 24 when Chrissy was born, and father 47. So perhaps there’s a little more than a little projection involved.

[@internet3694]

@@liquidsmoothxxo the comment is about Chrissy teigen not Courtney so I believe they’re using Chrissy’s pronouns.

[@gabrielletinsley2332]

Why did no one mention this😳🚶🏽‍♀️

[@yessirnermin4310]

@@liquidsmoothxxo Chrissy goes by she/her 😊 pls fact check before trying to correct

[@jonascox-leow9022]

The difference is that a 24-year-old woman is an adult, whereas a 16-year-old is a child, which I feel like we're overlooking. Small detail, but pretty major, and also not small at all (unless of course, I'm missing something and they'd been together for a while---correct me if I'm wrong).

[@user-tl9ji5pd7t]

@@jonascox-leow9022 24 is when she had her child not when they met

[@jocelynprier9115]

Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for your constant commitment to respecting nonbinary people's identities. I've noticed it in other videos as well and while it may seem like the least you can do, it's honestly more than a lot of people manage for us. So thank you, it really means a lot to hear my identity respected in such a casual, consistent way

[@NaturallyDOPE0990]

The way Courtney was staring at Doug and hanging on to his every word. I think they were brain washed and it Creeped me tf out.

[@user-ld6wx2my1t]

They kinda looked high ngl, wouldn't be surprised if he was giving them drugs too.

[@evan10307]

In some of the clips it even seems like they're trying not to cry or just repeating what he's saying and as a victim that's really common in a situation where you're being manipulated

[@kennydiedagain8275]

@@user-ld6wx2my1t they* but yea lol i thought so too. really creepy 🤢

[@emilyb.8219]

@@user-ld6wx2my1t If you read the Daily Beast article mentioned in this video, Courtney talks about why they acted the way they did in many of those interviews.

[@shilohgoes5544]

I feel like she was watching him to make sure she didn’t say anything to set him off and that she was saying the right things..

[@eiji7610]

I don’t like the fact that he referred to them as his “plastic little doll” when they’re 16- I feel bad for them

[@sexygay7551]

them*

[@eiji7610]

@@sexygay7551 Oop my bad I’ll fix that rn

[@mviegrl]

literally its so disgusting and just gross

[@eiji7610]

@@mviegrl ikr and the fact people tried to villanize them

[@eiji7610]

@@Lola_Nico no your just transphobic they use they/them pronouns so I’m going to refer to them that way

[@rookbennett2679]

I do find it interesting that Courtney filed for divorce right around the time their brain would be fully developed.

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

@@Elizabeth.Holiday ew. Ew ew ewwwwwww that is so gross

[@is.a.bell.a8700]

@@Elizabeth.Holiday Sorry, but what does hitting the wall mean?

[@dragu_la]

@@is.a.bell.a8700 I'm not sure how to properly define it, but I'm pretty sure its saying how women stop being attractive/start to not be attractive at 25.

[@is.a.bell.a8700]

@@dragu_la Ohhh, I understand now, thank you! I've definitely heard that sentiment thrown around before, which sucks.

[@insomniacspillowfortarmy5776]

And when they wasn't a kid anymore Edit: fixed pronoun

[@lezley8465]

Even if Courtney wasn't a minor, why would people care if they got plastic surgery or implants? It's their body, not yours

[@sonjaheck3156]

I'm thinking that they were offered a lot of money to do this, and I am sure creepy husband and mom talked CS into it.

[@thecutestofborg5604]

The show was just capitalizing on people's curiosity of her while her groomer was probably paid handsomely for it.

[@danniuwu8628]

@@thecutestofborg5604 *their!

[@albedoweatheruno]

​@@antalyaahmed2211 imagine complaining about respect, what a joke you are

[@regppMD]

Yet the Kardashians who got plastic surgery in almost every part of their body are being glorified. I mean look at Kylie, only idiots would believe that puberty happened to her

[@HelenPoodle]

As a survivor of grooming, thank you so much for using your platform to speak on this. My university instructor managed groom me. He moved in with me and tried to coerce me into a relationship and when I finally moved out and escaped the domestic abuse, I tried to tell the university but they didn't believe that anything was wrong with what he did.

[@layton6202]

Yeah Imma have to hear both sides of the story.

[@Artemis526]

@@layton6202 what the f**k is wrong with you?

[@Aaaaa-gi2ls]

@@Artemis526 he is just another useless troll trying to get people angry by saying that pedophilia is ok.

[@RebaMcImTired]

@@layton6202 In the wise words of Michael Jordan, “Stop it. Get some help.”

[@00KiryuZero00]

I hope you're doing okay now, much love to you!

[@Roo0xanne]

The fact that Courtney accepted that BS apology, tells how mature they are compared to Chrissy.

[@soapynena]

Chrissy does sound like a bratty name. Really fits, huh?

[@Gigibaby88]

They really do seem like a lovely person, it's a shame they were treated that way by mean girls like Chrissy (and Anderson Cooper apparently) 😒

[@anna_3035]

Yes. They accepted it for themselves and that is really important so they can move on from it. They can really be proud of themselves for being this strong. I hope they will be ok soon and can move on from everything else as well.

[@auliamate]

I wonder, what does John Legend think?

[@Emma88178]

@@Gigibaby88 mean boys as well. Not just girls

[@hollymccraw7927]

Chrissy also tried to play it off like a one-time mistake when clearly she targeted Courtney SEVERAL times. Choosing to send such hate to a teenager as an adult repeatedly is a CONSCIOUS decision where Chrissy had ample opportunities to THINK and STOP. I'm 22 and I realised the severity of this type of behaviour yeeears ago, as I'm sure most people my age did.

[@kevinkyu1]

True, she's already an adult when she attacked a minor. That's just a lame excuse "that she didn't know better" when in fact she's already a fully grown adult at that time.

[@MaryLab2930]

chrissy is literally a horrible person LMAOO. she doesn’t sympathize with others, but when she lost her child recently, she expected people to sympathize with her. she makes senseless tweets targeted towards other people that make fun of them when she’s not even involved in their situations at all. literally the only reason she’s famous is because she’s john legend’s wife, she needs to step off her high horse and stop acting like she holds power

[@isobelcarmichael3429]

I hate that when celebrities do apologise it doesn’t feel like they’re apologising to the person. They’re apologising to the public and their fans to do the bare minimum. They’ll get back in some peoples good books and still have a platform to continue what they’re doing

[@ellecrescent9834]

I just want to give Courtney a big hug, I also think they’re a lot more intelligent than they have been portraying themselves as. They’re going to be fine and I’m proud of them.

[@Marie45610]

I can honestly say that when I was 26, I wasn't telling children to kill themselves. Edit: I'd like to clarify that I've never told anyone to unalive themselves, me stating my age was only to show that her age doesn't and shouldn't give her a pass on saying that. Teigan and I are the same age, and her trying to use her being 26 as an excuse for bullying a child is several levels of fucked up.

[@maggiekarabel123]

I can honestly say I’ve never told anyone to kill themselves. Most people haven’t! The attempts to normalize this are disgusting.

[@lizzietaylorsversion5941]

I’m 26 and even if i hate someone, i would NEVER ever tell someone to take their own life! Let alone, a child! Chrissy is so disgusting, and it’s not just Chrissy, it’s everyone who was joking about a child, criticizing a child, and hating on that child, that’s disgusting, and NOT to mention, not a lot of people was blaming the disgusting groomer!

[@Dave102693]

@@lizzietaylorsversion5941 I was back then

[@louloudaki_]

@@maggiekarabel123 ikr!!!

[@louloudaki_]

no one should ever say it to anyone. i was told to unalive because i’m trans two years ago. never do it

[@GlitterFlame89]

Dude has been creepy af for YEARS. He creeped everyone out during the first season of filming The X-Files when he insisted on performing a scene completely naked even though it made the other cast and crew uncomfortable. I was not surprised when this came out.

[@stacy4436]

OH MY GOD I NEVER REALIZED UNTIL RIGHT NOW THAT HE PLAYED TOOMS. THAT MAKES THAT EPISODE EVEN MORE CREEPY AND AWFUL.

[@PheePeaAnimation]

@@stacy4436 I didn't know who he played in the X-Files and I was gonna make a joke like "lmao he probably played Tooms" BUT HE ACTUALLY PLAYED TOOMS FUCK

[@carasomebody6477]

I didn’t watch that but I was definitely affected by his green mile performance. Like you’re either the best ever or you’re actually horrible.

[@Shutupdede]

OMFGGG not him playing Tooms 😭

[@azhri01]

OMG NO I COMPLETELY DIDNT REALISE HE PLAYED HIM. SO CREEPED OUT EVEN MORE NOW WTF

[@anataliavallez]

I was a teenager in 2011. Adults were awful to us on the internet and YES they knew exactly what they were saying was harmful. Thankful Courtney is out of that situation after a decade...holy shit.

[@roodietoodieshow6771]

Yes! I was literally the same age as Courtney and how fragile I was I would have probably went to sleep. I could never be famous

[@wandering4786]

It wasn’t just adults though . Tons of teenagers were being judgmental too ..It was lowkey just part of the culture to like make fun of girls exactly like her. Girls seen as gold diggers. We didn’t talk about grooming a lot in 2011, so, many ppl genuinely didn’t see her as a victim .

[@StandAsYouAre]

Courtney went on one of those reality therapy shows with their Mom, and it was EXTREMELY obvious that Mom was living out her fantasy through Courtney. Marrying a celebrity, going to Hollywood. It was their Mom who was the one who monitored and encouraged the relationship.

[@ellabella2805]

i turn 16 next week. i literally don’t have the mental capability to do most things, much less be MARRIED. i feel so bad for courtney, being groomed and manipulated like that, and that the media failed them and blamed everything on courtney. chrissy is disgusting. i hate it here

[@antisocialreader7822]

Completely agree. I’m 15 and couldn’t imagine getting married at all, this entire situation just makes me sick. Happy early birthday by the way, hope it’s a good one!

[@iamfukked7064]

Happy early birthday!

[@hannahhannah7002]

Ma'am I'm 18. I'm a whole ass adult. I am not position to get married

[@memej1469]

@@hannahhannah7002 I'm 20 and like idk what I'm doing xD

[@godsnintendog]

I can’t imagine if someone in one of my high school classes was getting married. That’s insane

[@louisajoy7565]

The fact that Courtney was stilled blocked by Chrissy Teagan really speaks volumes that the apology was not really for them.

[@salzkuuu]

Yeah, clearly just for appearances sake - and has no clear regret or empathy for the person she hurt

[@yourlocalrat3757]

I have a few questions about ur pfp 😧

[@louisajoy7565]

@@yourlocalrat3757 haha it’s just a tube of aquaphor (chapstick) - I can’t live without it

[@forrmyheart]

exactly

[@beingbeckeroni]

Really terrible and sad, honestly...

[@jsparkles555]

In the ABC news clip, Courtney seemed to be on something, and honestly with parents like that along with some creep grooming them, I wouldn’t be surprised if drink/drug use was encouraged to keep them under some sort of control. The whole situation is honestly so disgusting.

[@lydias98]

I was thinking the same thing too. Courtney looked and acted whacked tf out.

[@fricketyfracktraintrack]

Same. I was wondering if anyone else was going to point that out

[@April_B.]

I saw that too

[@nicolekatherine3870]

Its all part of the grooming

[@harleycenedella7074]

in their interview courtney said that they were sober but had been so anxious that they had barely eaten and slept for days beforehand

[@louloudaki_]

the fact that d’angelo fully acknowledges and accepts that he’s gorgeous gives me life that’s the kinda self confidence i wanna have

[@pomegranateinkarts2982]

One of the most heart breaking things about this story is that if Courtney was driven to suicide, it probably would have been swept under the rug and both their abusers (Doug Hutchinson and Chrissy Teigen) would never have been held accountable. It makes me wonder how many similar cases have been overlooked because victims are no longer with us

[@keeweebir]

their*

[@pomegranateinkarts2982]

@@keeweebir Sorry for the error, thanks for correcting me! I'll change the paragraph

[@louloudaki_]

this is haunting

[@martymartyn7829]

All this is so cruel and tragic. When my daughter was younger, there were 2 of her classmates who committed suicide. One was a 13yr old boy in the 8th grade & later, just after high school, a young female student. It still brings sadness and sorrow whenever I think of their unnecessary deaths. God forbid that anyone would encourage others to take their life. Courtney was abused & exploited, and thrown into the national & international spotlight like some kind of odd freak. Along the way, all the media contributed to it. *Remember people, you matter and don't give up.

[@kimmyball4961]

Or not famous!!

[@debbieh7063]

they met online because THEY WERE TAKING ONE OF HIS ACTING CLASSES. At no point were they talking on equal footing. Even if he believed they were an adult (which I don't buy), he was still 1) a semi-famous person and 2) their teacher.

[@florian5560]

They go by they/them pronouns :)

[@debbieh7063]

@@florian5560 corrected. Thank you.

[@whatthehellisthis]

also he should have immediately stopped pursuing them once he found out they were a teen. he has no excuse.

[@Kleoath]

yeah absolutely no way did he not go into it knowing she was a child. he's teaching an acting class that they allow children in? in my experience acting classes for adults don't allow kids. to me this sounds like he was running an acting class to scout out teenage girls to groom

[@roxc453]

@@Kleoath Courtney is non binary

[@kay_503]

If Chrissy was genuinely sorry for what she did, she would have reached out to Courtney years ago and apologized because she knew damn well it was wrong. She’s not sorry for the things that she did, she’s sorry she got caught.

[@alexstyles5808]

We could say that about anyone who has literally ever done anything bad. She’s apologized, move on

[@liyahliyah694]

She still has Courtney blocked so that says a lot about the sincerity of her apology. She clearly didn’t reach out

[@Roman888]

Chrissy Tiegen has a long line of tweets telling people to kill themselves. She's a garbage person and always has been.

[@kay_503]

@@alexstyles5808 look, at the end of the day the apology is for Courtney to accept not me. But this whole situation just shows the type of person Chrissy is. She decided to apologize because her cookware was getting pulled out of stores, not because she was sorry.

[@LunarEleven]

As we grow and mature, what changes *is not WHO we are,* it's how we express/show that. Chrissy was, is, and always will be the person who told a child to kill themselves. She just wasn't held accountable because she was irrelevant.

[@uzumakisunshine1303]

I always have a problem with that too, when people accept apologies to situations that weren’t directed towards them. Chrissy targeted Courtney and Courtney should be the only one accepting or not accepting the “apology”. I hope Courtney recovers from this.

[@fauxskull5982]

Exactly. Those people on twitter have no business "accepting" an apology that isn't directed toward them.

[@sassybassy4802]

Courtney’s parents didn’t bless their marriage they sold them.

[@nanali7245]

Yesss! Exactly! You said it perfectly!

[@miyagifatghost2684]

This happens more than exposed by rich ppl or they'll use modeling agencies to low key set it up. Moral of the story ppl are for sale!! Hot Girls Love yatch parties it's most older men at these functions🤷🏿‍♂️

[@katiebug9181]

Their mother was also in love with Doug.

[@prettyhatemachine8887]

@@katiebug9181 Source? Edit: Nvm, found it. Also, that creep Doug Hutchison literally asked for a threesome with both daughter and mom! And the mom's also messed up. The way she promoted her daughter and their "marriage", her interviews and and that hypersexualized photoshoot she did with Courtney... 🤮

[@Lola_Nico]

Her*

[@tayawalter4741]

“It was a different time back then” is the literal only straw people can grasp on to to try and justify absolute abhorrent behavior.

[@caroliinalopes]

Yes!!! Especially since this happened 10 years ago, not 50 or 100. Zero excuse

[@peiithos]

"It was a different time back them" ok and there was an era where murder was legal and okay in the eyes of the public. It was a different time then, so does that make it right? people using that excuse makes me want to go feral

[@tayawalter4741]

@@peiithos You and me both, friend. The only time I ever use "it was a different time then" when referencing 2011 is when people ask how LMFAO was so popular.....not to justify the worst of society's "ism's" ffs.

[@Bjorksbackyard]

Yeah people are desperately trying to mitigate their guilt by pretending 2011 is 1711.

[@tunamayhoe]

tbh, these last 10 years changed a lot in terms of social affairs. We are only recently (last 4-5 years) starting to hold people accountable on stuff like this and there is still a lot of work to be done so yeah "it was a different time back then".

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

D'Angelo is surprised this was legal in a lot of States, but it still is. In fact, children as young as 12 can legally get married with their parents permission in some States.

[@yak1572]

Totally!! I watched a documentary on child brides in the USA

[@deeb1124]

Girl my mom used to get so mad and then yell at me “YOURE 16 OLD ENOUGH TO GET MARRIED WHY TF YOU SO STUPID”

[@Blade9blood]

Yeah, this video reminded me of an old episode of Maury, where they had on a woman in her 40s who married a 14-year old boy. Ick. >.

[@fallenbee]

@@Blade9blood I mean talking about Maury, there's so many episodes about that! Like there's another one with a 16 year old boy and 50 year old woman or something like that. And all the comments were blaming the boy and I'm just like what! XD

[@alohasailor4282]

@@Ilikefrogs.. exactly! like i doubt 2 billion muslim ppl will marry children. But it’s always the Trumpies who use that as their arguments meanwhile promoting incest and forgetting to realize that it’s the same thing in their backyards. poor court, i hope they heal and grow :(

[@haute03]

As someone who was in college in 2011, you're absolutely right that this was NOT normal. I remember being shocked and disgusted at how the media and general public responded to Courtney and their relationship with Doug. I will say though that the way the media and GP treated celebs/public figures back then was very strange. I think many people thought the entire thing was a stunt and that Courtney was older and in on it. However, after it became clear that that wasn't the case, they should have backed off and re-evaluated their stance. At this point, I'm just glad Courtney escaped and is on a path of healing. Best of luck to them!

[@FatimaRChannel]

OMFG I just got to the scene of them putting a 16 year old on national TV to check whether or not she had implants?? And the audience CLAPPED when they announced she was natural😶? I-

[@sylviasugars]

ikr, it’s all so creepy and disgusting! also, please use they/them pronouns for courtney!

Jesus help this society

[@gav2057]

@ I think Jesus already has by having us come together and talk about these issues.

[@SS-xr7jf]

Honestly, even with the person being an adult, that’s a hella weird thing to put on tv. The 16 year old part is just the diarrhea icing on a turd of a cake.

[@youdothetalking9546]

wait bestie courtney uses they/them pronouns

[@claireharris5985]

Love how Courtney is more mature than Chrissy was, AT THE SAME AGE. accepting their bully's apology who traumatized them for years, versus violently harassing a child.

[@hahayes1220]

Also, this is only public. Imagine how much shit Courtney had to put up with in private, not just from other celebrities but also from their close ones and friends… :(

[@rinapop2681]

I'm amazed Courtney was so forgiving

[@nerdwisdomyo9563]

honestly accepting that apology was very mature, if I were in there shoes I wouldn’t be physically able to accept that apology

[@mynameismarlys]

Yes, marriage in the US is terrifying: 11 states legal at 17, 22 states at 16, 4 states at 15, 2 states at 14, and Massachussets at a stomach-churning *12* years of age. You can get married in all 50 states before age 21, aka when you can legally drink alcohol. That limit is set by Federal law. But there's no Federal law establishing minimum marriage age of at least 18. Our government would rather forbid drinking than save people like Courtney from child sexual abuse. I hate it here.

[@JahzelSamuels]

TWELVE?? That’s alarming wth??? What does a year year old know…omggg

[@angygremlin4423]

We really need to consolidate and revise our marriage and AOC laws in the US. A minor should not be able to get married and should not have sexual relations with someone signfinicantly older than them. Why can we change our age to smoke from 18 to 21, yet allow a 16 year old to be married off to a 51 year old? For all we know, their parents and the older person have an agreement and the 16 year old is going along with it out of fear for their safety. After all, they are still a minor and likely reliant on their parents. Also, since AOC laws are different in certain states, more laws have to be written to outlaw things like moving young people between states with different AOCs for sexual purposes. Just make laws that apply to the entire nation when it comes to something like this and we wouldn't have that issue or need more laws! Personally, I also think we should do a better job of discouraging people under 16/17 from being sexually active at all, even with someone their age or relatively close to their age. I'm not saying they need to be punished for it, but we shouldn't encourage people that young to be sexually active because some of the issues sex can cause be life-altering. After all, it's already rough enough to make those choices when you are 16 or older and with someone your age or who is/was in high school at the same time as you (so pretty close to your age). This is especially true because there is often a stigma around teens being on birth control or having condoms (which also needs to change). Despite that, some kind of weird sexual encouragement/sexualization of teens feels like it's everywhere, especially in certain popular media and culture, and it needs to stop. We do not need 50-somethings lusting after teens!

[@Coffeegirl739]

12, 14 and 15.... it is horrible 😥

[@kirstym6880]

@@AnHeC Just because its better than other places doesn't mean it doesn't also suck

[@nope8083]

if anyone tries to tell you that the 19/17 ones are okay... sure. the relationship itself can be okay. but the _marriage_ is not, you know why? one is an adult with all those legal rights, the other one is still a legal minor. oftentimes the minor _can't_ try to get divorced, or can't drive alone (like in Courtney's case), or can't do a lot of adult things on their own without a guardian's consent. marriage is legal, so it's not necessarily about the "morality" of like an 19/17, but rather about the _legal_ power imbalance. (btw it's way more often a bigger gap than 19/17, just to be clear about the stats).

[@lindabaek7488]

Thank you for bringing awareness about predators, molesters and bullies.

[@welpthatsucks3123]

Let's not forget that Chrissy Teigen was talking crap about Quvenzhené Wallis, who was 10 years old at the time in 2013. It's a pattern with Chrissy.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

@@fund5801s yeah, she retweeted the Onion, when they called Quvenzhenè a c**t for politely asking reporters to use her name properly.

[@slut4sai]

A 10 YEAR OLD?? “How your ops gotta bedtime?” 😭😭😭😭😭

[@welpthatsucks3123]

@@fund5801s She also said something like, "I am forced to like Quvenzhené Wallis because she is a kid, right? Okay fine."

[@arenasification]

@@welpthatsucks3123 that's actually ok! not everyone likes kids

[@Mountainhaze9090]

I do not care that it was “nearly a decade ago.” 10 years ago, she was still a grown woman harassing children - that is pathetic.

[@mwangii]

"Yep, this 16 y/o doesnt have implants!" Everyone: claps

[@ps1hagrid786]

That was dystopian beyond belief

[@nadjaannabel1]

I can't believe that actually aired on tv. And it was not a Black Mirror episode.

[@RandomFandomDragon]

Right!? That was my thought... "huzzah, the CHILD has real breasts"....and worse, none of them looked confused or outraged.

[@monbub]

I wish I didn't live on Earth

[@starthamewart7916]

Chrissy’s apology is a perfect example of “go on girl give us nothing!”

[@tinymxnticore]

Yup 😕

[@qweertii]

dude i'm turning 16 in a few months... the age gap between them and that man is the same as between me and my MOTHER. disgusting.

[@Dunika]

My aunt married at 17 and she always says she only did it to get out of the house (my grandma was very abusive and my grandpa was absent at best) That’s why it always pains me to hear about this because you know that that kid probably (unconsciously) sees this as a way to get out of an abusive situation, but they are not able to realize they are just getting into another abusive situation. They just want to get out and get better, and get ahold of their lives.

[@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access]

This is why I haven't joined human society and continue to just hide in the wilderness

[@OxelOttleRottle]

Omg it's bigfoot

[@esperanzarobertson4823]

Stay in the wilderness, it's horrible over here. 😭😭

[@forgenorman3025]

Can I join you please?

[@downwordspiralofpiss]

Can I please join you

[@ka10187]

I will be like this when I'm older.

[@DaphMrcdz]

Official petition to make a video about Chrissy Teighen and all of her dark behaviors 🙋

[@Saturn_Rising]

Signing 🙋‍♀️

[@FlowerAcid]

Yess

[@shy7450]

Please

[@cadenceolivia6304]

Signed

[@cristinamurillo4028]

Signed.

[@markiskindawhelmedakaento8367]

I am sick and tired of people like my grandfather saying that “well the child is the one who said it was ok”, it doesn’t matter, THEY WERE MANIPULATED