This Is How Power REALLY Works | Aaron Bastani Meets Grace Blakeley

[@seanknight2516]

A lot of people were fine with the game being rigged when they thought they might end up on the winning side. The problem now is that theyve pushed the carrot too far away from the Donkey.

[@alexandrosfilth7042]

See also James Simons

[@Ogma3bandcamp]

Bang on, bro.

[@Matt-vo1ge]

Well didn't Grace write for The Spectator and James O'Brien The Daily Mail at one point?

[@ShardDesu]

These people are too forgiving. Saying 'oh, they mean well, but its a mess' is bullshit. The capitalists are motivated by selfishness, greed, sadism and antipathy towards everyone. The world will begin to improve when their depredations end in their execution for crimes against humanity. Start at the wealthiest and work down until all the most avaricious are eliminated. If it isn't done, they will keep coming back to poison the world and everything in it for their own pleasure.

[@Tampa0123456789]

You nailed it. You hit the nail on the head. When the lower class were losing their jobs nobody cared back in the 70s 80s.

[@grrr.9998]

When you pay some attention: "The system is broken and needs to be fixed." When you pay enough attention: "The system is working exactly as intended and needs to be destroyed."

[@timbodedidleo]

needs to be destroyed? Or needs to be reformed?

[@DwynAgGaire]

destroyed and rebuilt if necessary, reformed where possible, and all at the same time. Tough thing to pull of if we promote radical individualism. If we indoctrinate a generation of Capitalist leaning Marxists our grand children or great grandchildren maybe could.

[@shadowwarsshadypeople6299]

Due to corporate power over nations in their ability to inflict economic hardship on a country via international Court of settlements, the system needs to be abolished. The other part is the debt based economies which continously erode any wealth created by individuals, and this goes back to central banking.

[@rabbitcreative]

@@timbodedidleo > Or needs to be reformed? Replaced.

[@dystopiaeatsmoney]

@@rabbitcreativereplaced with a RBE.

[@basilgrunt3393]

"The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there... just to scare the shit out of the middle class." George Carlin.

[@RollYOUrD1ce]

there's no middle class. It's elite owners of almost everything vs everyone else.@DRAGONFLY101

[@kenmcewan9811]

onya mate

[@evadd2]

@Stafus Way to miss the point. The wealthy do near to nothing for themselves.

[@jacksonvalad8012]

Very Very True

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@RollYOUrD1ce There was a middle class when Carlin made that statement. Yes now it is destroyed and there's a fight to not be the underclass in concentration camps.

[@seansexton1472]

ESG is a great way of snuffing out small businesses with an ever growing list of compliance and governance which is why huge organisations love it.

[@podunkest]

I was told that's an alt right conspiracy theory, careful.

[@KBergs]

"Barrier to entry" is the econ 101 term

[@JoseLopez-tk4tq]

Or pay to play.

[@jctr4559]

ESG leads to communism; the “hidden hand”. It’s hard to wrap ones head around that, but if one extrapolates the signs are evident.

[@Orangesjesus]

Thousands a night, to stay where the 3 day seminars are held?😂...an acquaintance was a legal transcript typist ( don't know if they still exist?), but some cases, were endless actions over a point of law, forever, and ever...

[@microwaves25]

You know the system is riggged when in depth conversations like these are totally absent from our everyday media.

[@poetgooner]

People have got to stop blaming everything on the system. If these in-depth conversations, which is shorter than most night-time entertainment runs (back to back shows), gets the same viewership and therefore advertisement dollars, they would be on every channel. Joe Rogan, the biggest podcaster, pales in comparison to Game of Thrones.

[@tuckerbugeater]

And these long-form conversations don't change anything

[@EnsoGhisonisuccessgateway]

​@tuckerbugeater " the journey of a thousand miles starts with one step".

[@alexmitchell7563]

You'll find plenty of rich historic content in the history channel covering this, try "why communism fails"

[@jay64j]

@@alexmitchell7563 because it's not communism is the answer.

[@karlmuud]

Heard the same conversation every decade since the 60's. Nothing fundamentally will change as long as the working classes remain mind slaves. No harm in trying though. 😉

[@paladro]

maybe it'll work, this time :)

[@dogstick12]

they block your awareness

[@socratesagain7822]

Actually, to paraphrase Ms Blakely, the system contains an insidious, seductive co-opting element, designed to bring in enough people into the fold to keep on replicating and immortalizing it. In the US it manifests via privileged "membership" in corporate C-suites and politics... Make that Faustian bargain and screw the planet and the impoverished peasants to enrich the 1%. Be well. @@dogstick12

[@moenibus]

exactly, these people only talks about it. "feel good" presentations. posturing

[@elbowstrike]

We need to get it through to the workers’ heavily propagandized minds that they are not “middle class” they are working class.

[@TrevorDodd-ev1sx]

I live in Azerbaijan and the remnants of the Soviet Union are plain to see from factories to housing. After visiting many countries that were part of the 16 republics of the former USSR the socialist experiment was a complete failure. I also have the same disdain for the rigged quasi capitalist system we have today which has moved power from a government to corporations and banks. Ultimately human nature and greed get in the way of an equitable fair society.

[@jasonwatkins7767]

Well stated. 👍

[@randybackgammon890]

Concisely nailed!

[@svenhanson398]

True but is that the whole picture. Are we here because we are greedy, or do we want true change that really change this world into a another where the system has at its core that no one is left behind, being on the outside, with a planet that does not get more and more destroyed. I have also travelled and I found the majority are not greedy. The problem humans are facing is we have not yet come up with a system that keep the sociopaths and the greedy out of power

[@Matt-vo1ge]

Mondragon Corporation seems to be doing well as a Socialist experiment. Maybe you can add to your travel reflections the thought that just because an idea was done badly at one position in space and time doesn’t mean it doesn't have great utility elsewhere.

[@watamatafoyu]

Saying human nature is greedy aligns you with the types in power that rule that way against everyone below them.

[@mchmch6185]

Downstream never (ok, hardly ever) disappoints. This is one of the most consistently interesting and informative video discussion series on youtube. Keep up the great work, Novara peeps and guests.

[@User0resU-1]

Peeps... 👀

[@deanandthebeans857]

The real problem is that democracy no longer exists here. Even the little that we may have had after the war has been whittled away to nothing. Ordinary people are now completely powerless, voiceless and defenceless against predatory Capitalism. And they know it. And when ordinary people lose faith in the system there are dangerous times ahead.

[@TheBlueskyson]

We gotta go from Victim to Victor mindset Deano. Start buying houses, fixing them up and renting em out. that's one way to take back control. HNY

[@toddlavigne6441]

Democracy by representation is crap. It doesn't work because politicians can do a 180 from what they promised in the electoral process.

[@joso7228]

Except the Revolution is eroded by divide and conquer through practices like Immigration and most Revolutionaries have their heads buried in their phone or KZbin.

[@luisfernandezdecordoba5938]

That is still profiteering... better yet, find a small community based on solidarity and the ability to do as they they see fit. with their resources and be part of a wider community of equals in a moderate form of state with values such as non greed, solidarity, humility and non violence, and i think we would be good, right?

[@charliebrandt2263]

Grace is a gem. Needs way more airtime. Conveys exactly in straightforward words what we need to hear. Thanks Novara.

[@ronaldreagan-ik6hz]

imagine a fool like grace trying to run marxist professional sports teams. what a joke.

[@00Platypus00]

@@ronaldreagan-ik6hz How on Earth are professional sports teams relevant...?

[@jessicahansen1288]

I don't know how Novara keeps finding such interesting guests, but this is another banger of an interview.

[@Papa_NutRoach]

Great bangers, sorry

[@mdaniels6311]

Grace has been about for ages and written and spoken about these issues a lot. Check her books out.

[@bitcoinisfreedommoney.fckt2663]

Is it

[@Tom-wd5bs]

sorry why - top bangers@@Papa_NutRoach

[@James_36]

@@mdaniels6311 nothing like a socialist selling books😂😂😂😂

[@janearmstrong7945]

What's interesting is that when I was at school in the 80s, I wasn't told it I could make it if I worked hard. People my age were very clear that the field was unfair. In fact, my Marxist teachers spent a lot of time teaching me about class structure. I think the sense of pulling back the curtain and having been lied to is rather generational. Millennials were perhaps the most lied to generation. Gen Z are told this social mobility rubbish even more aggressively. Certainly, my children and their friends don't believe a word they are told about the great future waiting for them. In fact I believe that one of the reasons that children have such poor mental health is the toxic effect of adults desperate to sell the social mobility snake oil.

[@lobintool]

Were they ever taken to a theatre to watch "Death of a Salesman"? Arthur Miller was onto debunking the "American Dream" way back in 1959!

[@ronbridges3933]

The reason selling is so challenging is because humans have free will. They have the power to say no. Would you want it any other way? Try saying no to the government.

[@socratesagain7822]

@@ronbridges3933 One enters government service (or the C-suite) to get the peasants to say "yes." Whereas once in government/ (C-suite) one "acquires," and basks in, the privilege of saying, "no." The ultimate class-stratified behavior... Be well.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

Well she said it herself. She was in college when this light bulb went off! You mean while professors were brainwashing you is when your light bulb went off!

[@Sesanoq]

Millenials were bio credit for their narcissistic boomer parents.

[@Sarbatriks]

Grace is the most mature and articulate Marxist in the Western world today . Btw I am from India ... We have again a different capitalist system going on here ... We have neoliberalism without ever having social democracy after independence... There are people's movements dispersed all around and no political alternative yet . But listening to what happens in US , UK or Europe gives us hope here . I watch Novara Media regularly . But whenever Grace is on , She speaks with a clarity that you can't find elsewhere in western left , She shows how to articulate your msg in a logical coherent way .

[@valq10]

Totally agree. Solidarity from afar, comrade!

[@timjkoala7556]

​@@keithparker1346I think speaking style comes down to personal preference so I don't think you're saying anything outrageous. I think Grace is a good speaker though.

[@aaronmathias6739]

Bang-on my fellow Indian brother from another mother!

[@aristocraticrebel]

Mature? lol

[@Sarbatriks]

@@keithparker1346 Aaron is very good as well . Michael and Ash are very good , specially Ash on many specific issues . Aaron what I feel is sometimes too good , and sometimes feels like he is in a different world , but when he speaks in hyperbole , and expresses the outrage the people feel , he is extremely good ..

[@sign69]

'Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy.'

[@kiwitrainguy]

That's what discourages me from advocating for revolution. In the long run evolution is more successful than revolution.

[@darnick54]

Another excellent presentation from NM…..where would we be without these people.

[@utredutredson1686]

where would you be?

[@john-xo9mg]

I'm dissabled now used to work 7 days a week in the building trade before my life changed, I know how power works keep the working man down , keep the vunrable scared and in need ,divide and conqure. I'm worried so much by the changes that are coming to the dissabilty bennefits as it was nerve racking enough before these changes were anonouced, I can only see bad times ahead for me and my family.

[@MsMatty-oj1jb]

Sorry about you’re current situation. It’s disgraceful that someone has to prove how sick they are even though they have signed off by a tribunal with a judge and consultant. The future is very bleak for the disabled.

[@TheBlueskyson]

John. Can you upskill? Plenty of opportunities out there, mobile or not. Even create ur own niche. If one can think and type, too many other humans in similar situations have demonstrated the way. Good luck bro. You can pull a rabbit outta the hat.

[@TheBlueskyson]

John. What we focus on, we get amigo. Change your mindset to abundance and start working out how to buy and rent cheap houses.

[@toddlavigne6441]

hope things work out for you

[@keithlightminder3005]

I’m from Canada, the world IS on fire. Ask australia

[@samdegoeij6576]

I think you're also quite close to the oven aren't you?

[@SammiCPC79]

It's Autumn here, 18:20 in the evening and it's hotter in my house right now than every single hottest day of each year in the '80s and '90s. The world is definitely on fire.

[@coopsnz1]

Australia over taxed country don't move here

[@GarryAndrews_]

@@SammiCPC79I’m in Melbourne and it’s pretty cold

[@alexboros1751]

The world is FUKD not on 🔥!

[@sandywilson867]

A great discussion by two excellent young pundits . A pleasure to listen to . Watching from Canada .

[@LCOF]

Aaron is 48.

[@izren4415]

he's in his late thirties@@LCOF

[@prajnamitra9017]

The house is on fire. An absolutely brilliant interview. No debating happened though, they agreed on almost all issues. Next time the immigration challenges should be thrashed out because there has been an enormous lifetime of lag time in empire. I too had a chortle at some of the familiar references they made such as Andrew Tate, Blair, Trump and Tucker Carlson, Oxbridge.. Listening to you all has become my glad compulsion better than having a smoke. Grace is also a brilliant singer. Am going to watch all of this for understanding more of Marx. I enjoy the waffle because it just keeps making more and more sense in this globally isolated world that is

[@f0xylady100]

Grace is ace !!! 🙌

[@gsiicam]

with a very pretty face 🎶

[@barnabymeredith1400]

Brilliant, need more of this, We are economically in the hands of the hegemony of America, nothing will change until this changes

[@kiwitrainguy]

Perhaps the rise of BRICS will offer an alternative.

[@Dub105]

@@kiwitrainguybrics will NOT be an alternative.

[@elamanecera]

@@Dub105it will be, there is no option. hopefully the world can be more balanced and fair then… our current system is corrupt to the core

[@HazzyWazzey]

Exceptional discussion. Inspiring and makes me want to find a group to come together and fight for our worths.

[@johncaccioppo1142]

If you don't find one, consider starting the movement within. It's far less disappointing to see one revolutionize oneself... when it happens, the community comes to them. The way I've been doing this is by studying political and philosophical thoughts from all angles, learning to communicate with people of all positions and focus on my health and state of mind. Think of how different the world would be if everyone did this instead of fighting and complaining. We could just build and cultivate our way out.

[@JAndrioli]

except you wont. nobody will

[@johncaccioppo1142]

@@JAndrioli We may not save the world but at least we are still living life with a sense of purpose that our industrial and economic masters have tried to take away. Every time somebody tells me it's not possible I'm reminded of just how important it is for my mental health as well as for others because that conflict reawakens my will to fight for life.

[@busterbuster1641]

Get this guest back on. BEst thing I've heard in a while. Fab stuff.

[@estherdeangelis]

WoW..what a bright spark Grace Blakely is- clear, concise commentary & examples of current political systems & the game they're playing. Very refreshing & exciting...🎉⭐🎉

[@Cheesite]

Half of England is owned by less than 1% of the population. The aristocracy and gentry still own around 30% of England. Source: the guardian

[@jfro5867]

and Grace would be either in that 1% or very near to it. Private schools, Oxford, a nonsense masters degree, mummy & daddy bailing her out when she’s been a bit naughty. Those nonsense ‘think tank’ jobs she referred to. Surfing for a few months doing a bit of writing. None of that is real life. She wasn’t doing shifts in McDonald’s and going back to a mouldy flat was she? let’s not be naive, she’s from a very privileged background.

[@fractionaldebtisfraud2187]

@@jfro5867 exactly, none of her ideas were built up from difficult, even tortuous existence on the breadline. Her talk today was more marketing, ideas borne largely from textbooks and essentially attempting to explain to us mere "country bumpkins" that, how things are and how they work for middle class Barnes and Islington, is good for all of us. But failing to point out the need typically, e.g for a BBC salary of £300k, to achieve that kind of lifestyle today. People cannot afford to pay for ESG etc, on a family income of £30k, yet her new kind of, "old boy network" expects us to.

[@jfro5867]

@@fractionaldebtisfraud2187 yea 100%. Don’t think the cost of living crisis has caused Grace many sleepless nights tbh and moving in the circles she does I doubt very much she has a clue what it’s like just scraping by, never has.

[@CmdrTobs]

@@jfro5867 That's the only background you can have and maintain her simple world view.

[@shinvergil]

Regardless of idealogy or "team", there will always be corruption, Greed and inequality of income.

[@DavoidJohnson]

When it comes down to it, sitting on the side lines laughing or complaining is a pretty safe place to be. A more difficult task is coming up with methods of achieving change and putting them into action.

[@lisakenton2392]

Have you come up with any "methoda"

[@jamesskinnercouk]

@simon_doesI like that.

[@brianmi40]

@@lisakenton2392 As has been stated Mondragon Corporation is not only successful, but viable to be repeated... I believe Yannis Varoufakis would approve.

[@DavoidJohnson]

@@lisakenton2392 Yes for Scotland it means independence. No more selfish feudalistic government . No more anti democratic inherited privileged power base. The people in Scotland are sovereign and can dismiss their rulers, be they political or Royalty. It's time to show the rest of the UKs how it is done. It's not going to be easy but we are getting there.

[@zarni000]

​@@DavoidJohnsonEngland itself needs to secede from the uk at the end lol

[@vercingetorix1557]

The absolute very best and most important of NM's downstreams. Thanks, makes the monthly support worth it, a glimmer of hope. Aaron and Grace, what a pairing.

[@ElGrandoCaymano]

But using an online dating metaphor to explain economics? Oh dear!

[@AndrewHillis_2024]

POLITICIANS DON'T SPEAK FOR ME OR REPRESENT ME, I CAN DO THAT FOR MYSELF THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! ! !

[@conniethesconnie]

The problem is that politicians approve the rules intended to govern us. The rules are meant to give us just enough to be content and the debates are set on issues that distract us from what is actually going on.

[@bramvanduijn8086]

Yep, just remember that the problem is the representative part, not the democratic part. Direct democracy has lead to a lot less atrocities than any form of representation.

[@TheBlueskyson]

You got this Drew

[@simonecasanova4545]

​@@bramvanduijn8086no please explain when and where ? Context is everything

[@mojominecraftmike]

It’s so strange, I always feel like Grace has always been around for ages

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

Amazing Grace?

[@james2450]

She has. She had an article in the New Statesman aged 14. That’s the boundless confidence and industry connections a private education buys you

[@helenswan705]

She looks so fresh and beautiful and her brain is joining all the dots. She's doing something right!

[@JohnnyFriendly]

​@@james2450 She did not - she had a LETTER published in the New Statesman at the age of 14. But then twisting language (aka outright lies) better supports the lame point you were trying to make.

[@TheBlueskyson]

@@helenswan705surfing!

[@josephfarina9743]

The meat of her message is at 39:00 - 41:00. I've been saying the same thing for decades in more easily understood terms: "Either we're all in this together, or it's every man for himself." Inspired by the movie "Brazil". If you haven't seen it, do...

[@GeoffV-k1h]

Interesting interview. The most acute problem with the current capitalist system as it has developed over the past couple of decades is that the low skilled-unskilled jobs which once provided working class people an income sufficient to raise a families and to buy a modest home, now pay crap wages, whilst the cost of property (especially in the 'affluent 'south/London) has risen beyond the means of all but the highest earners. Grace's Marxist analysis of how society might otherwise be organised is really no different to the traditional Marxist viewpoint, but since this has yet to exist successfully anywhere on the planet, it remains to be seen if it could work in the present day.

[@tempusfugit2549]

She ignores inflationary monetary policy which perpetuates the ‘loser’ class. This is why those with unskilled jobs remain poor indefinitely.

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

no

[@TheRealSnakePlisken]

Amazing how wealth allows one to act, move, and speak freely while poverty forces one to comply, struggle, and work within the system as it stands.

[@englishclassicsaudiobooksa8391]

'I'm upper middle class!' Says it all.

[@mikevasile]

And a Marxist at the same time

[@Ray25689]

Haha :D I see your point, but I doubt you're right. If the middle class actually starts revolting, things are going to change. A society can bear exploiting the bottom 50% and can cope with their anger (although it shouldn't), but it can't to have the middle class against it

[@Rolo-gn1nk]

A little late lol. But what does it say in your opinion?

[@tygorton]

Food sovereignty is the only path to actual freedom. There is a reason the control system has worked tirelessly across centuries to REMOVE humanity from the production of its own food. Less than 2% of modern humans engage in meaningful food production. Many would say this is "progress", but all we achieve by outsourcing our food production is the full surrender of any freedom we have. No person reliant on the control system for their food can reasonably expect to stand against the agendas of that control system.

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

how power really works: things aren't backed by Gold they are backed by the Gun... that's it

[@pbunting5143]

Grace is one of the most brilliant voices i've heard in a long time. More like this!

[@markbilton4282]

Covering the issues that keep me awake at night. Great stuff.

[@audreydoyle5268]

Get some sleep. You need your strength to endure the revolution

[@simonebrady05]

Grace is absolutely brilliant. Thanks Novaramedia 🎉❤

[@ronaldreagan-ik6hz]

hmmm. lets see. a socialist economist? wow. i cant think of a dumber combination. nowhere in the world are those two ideas successful.

[@flickwtchr]

@@ronaldreagan-ik6hz Considering your moniker…enough said.

[@mbolton]

Carrot and stick, turns out the carrot is plastic but the stick is real

[@amillar7]

And the plastic carrots are clogging our waterways

[@firstlast-pt5pp]

we full of micro-plastics now ( even in the air)

[@mbolton]

@@firstlast-pt5pp stick is real !

[@firstlast-pt5pp]

@@mbolton - no need for sticks really - "suck up and kick down"

[@j.paulpepper6110]

@@amillar7joy I’m

[@alexandroskonstantinoskarl8812]

So to the point and so accessible to everyone interested. Usually us economists use all that jargon just because we want to exercise monopoly rights over all the important decisions affecting us all. Thank you so much for this so lovely, and reinvigorating discussion.

[@vimfuego8827]

The game is rigged! Oh come on, I realised this when I was about 8 years old and I am now 64 !

[@alexanderewing3779]

While i generally agree with most of what i see/hear on NM, where is the the working class voice? Seems to be middle-class people talking about what working class people need. Can we have a bit more diversity, please.

[@josephking1947]

The middle classes have always decided what's best for the working Class around the dinner table, what's new, this lot are no different it's laughable.

[@darylcavanagh3977]

Exactly what I thought. A very well spoken and well educated man and woman telling us how to think. I detest Mick Lynch but at least he's from a working class background

[@davidparry5310]

@@darylcavanagh3977 So's Aaron Bastani. Or do you think that coming from a working-class background is incompatible with being well-spoken andwell-educated?

[@Gph0367]

Absolutely brilliant interview Aaron.👍

[@Tuffjobs]

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed Everybody knows the war is over Everybody knows the good guys lost Everybody knows the fight was fixed The poor stay poor, the rich get rich That's how it goes Everybody knows

[@walterwz]

If EVERY billionaire disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow humanity would come into a golden age.

[@waylonratcliffe]

A small percentage of the population are psychopaths, they rise to the top and dominate any hierarchy. Billionaires = Psychopaths

[@bqdavis1]

That is what the Russian peasants thought as they were killing the farm owners.

[@joso7228]

Have you studied the results from France?

[@dougallwinship]

fantastic interview with an extraordinarily insightful and eloquent individual!

[@joansudoku8283]

Great conversation. Continue to push, push , push when they let you sit by them. Take over the subject matter when allowed on stage. Ignore the rest. You are winning!

[@Vorpal_Wit]

As a rule of thumb: If a person with no power is explaining to you how power works, they are wrong. If a person with power is explaining to you how power works, they are lying to you.

[@TheBlueskyson]

what's the answer Vdub?

[@manfredkandlbinder3752]

Very insightful, really enjoyed the video. It is important to realize the current system works based on the wrong incentives and the wrong idea of what a society, a "Commonwealth" to overstress a term abused by history, is actually about. Basically we have to realize these fundamental truths again that we always have more in common with anybody else then things that divide us. We all don't want to be starving, want our children to be happy, don't want to be harmed to name just a few to give you an idea of how fundamental our common interests are.

[@HeadGardener]

'There shouldn't be winners and losers, we should all make the rules together.' How can that work when every individual would make different rules? Is there or has there ever been such a society? Is it accurate to divide the whole World into just 2 groups - the exploited and the exploiters?

[@evadd2]

Nothing like a great discussion from a knowledgeable standpoint from a person with excellent language skills and just an honest expression. Outstanding. Thank you.

[@samdegoeij6576]

Grace is what Richard Wolff is to the USA except she's a bit more accessible a bit easier to talk to less gruff.

[@f0xylady100]

Richard Wolff is quality. I'm not surprised Peterson bottled out of a debate with him, Wolff would have run rings around him.

[@austen8078]

If you were American listening to the English talk, you would feel the opposite. The British are hilariously genteel, and constantly go on about what's 'right and proper'. It's just odd. It's very different living in a culture where being highly practical takes precedence over upright conduct and form of speech.

[@deelight3469]

Though i love him, Wolff speaks like he's calling out bingo numbers, which is highly unpractical when the discussion is 1hr+ long. Grace here has a level controlled delivery and just seems to articulate her points a bit more. My adhdy brain abides @@austen8078

[@johnners911]

@@austen8078 Can I ask for an American opinion on Mick Lynch or Eddie Dempsey, in that context?

[@saskk2290]

​@austen8078 I'm Canadian and I like Richard Wolf, but he is gruff and professorial, and not in a charming Howard Zinn kind of way (I recommend anyone listen or read Howard Zinn). I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Wolff either. Grace is wise far beyond her years and is very likeable, and properly radical. The accent is a bit posh, but eh man that's what the Brits are for

[@deanthechamp5669]

Discussing a topic like this without talking about bloodlines and secret societies is like trying to build a house without blueprints, bricks and cement.

[@maxyogi]

Bloodlines. Far moreso than Secret Societies. SS provides folly. Bloodlines set the 'Rules'.

[@endxofxeternity]

She did a great job 😊

[@davidbouchard8963]

🙄🙄🙄

[@deanthechamp5669]

@@davidbouchard8963 are you 4 years old.

[@jamesboulger8705]

Please welcome my posh 3rd world traveling, surfboarding oxford graduate and guest to talk about power and inequality 😂

[@jake6379]

Grace is a wonderful person to listen to

[@brianmi40]

Try Yannis Varoufakis also.

[@ronaldreagan-ik6hz]

too bad her ideas are horrible

[@jake6379]

@@ronaldreagan-ik6hz the ideas that Ronald Regan had (the ones formed before he went senile) were the absolute worst and largely responsible for how terrible the world is now. Too bad you chose his name.

[@jaimegonzalezrosa9463]

What a great interview, bravo! Minute 57... goosebumps. So on point!

[@laurenceskinnerton73]

Grace is right!

[@JudsonParker]

I just found out about Grace today and I’m so excited about her very existence.

[@nathanielguggenheim5522]

Twofold big existence

[@TheBlueskyson]

@@nathanielguggenheim5522i third that

[@samaramahoff]

Same. A future leader!

[@TheBlueskyson]

And the way she handles environmental issues and takes on politicians with truth and youth is a joy to behold. ty Grace

[@surfbum8166]

And she’s a surfer…

[@Sapfu100]

I could listen to Grace all day. You should have her on at least once a month.

[@toddlavigne6441]

she needs to slow down, it;s hard to catch what she is saying much of the time.

[@carsonwieker]

Great interview and convo, very well articulated. Much appreciated, cheers

[@munchuriancandidate]

Grace - legend bravo 🙏

[@ronaldreagan-ik6hz]

a socialist economist shows you the depths of stupidity today.

[@noraurrasantana]

Love this interview ❤

[@mrsshellismail]

Love Grace. She speaks so clearly that even I can understand what is being spoken about. Great job Novara 👏🏼

[@ronaldreagan-ik6hz]

imagine how professional sports would be if it was run by a marxist? LOL

[@JohnWesleyBarker]

More Grace and Aaron (welcome home Grace). Fab.

[@zabekhan]

The most engaging and relatable speaker in contemporary society.

[@TheBlueskyson]

agree Zab. Along with Russel Brand. ty

[@joso7228]

@@TheBlueskysonsure but not him

[@RedSntDK]

Oh, I saw her on "Pod save the UK" a couple of weeks ago. Good head on her shoulders.

[@ThomasHope73]

Would definitely like Grace to reach as many people as possible. I will be following her from here on. 👍

[@alancornes8916]

Aaron was clearly super keen to talk about ESG. I hope MMT crops up in the discussion as it’s crucial to properly building up our public services and infrastructure and dealing with the inevitable, yet inane, question, ‘how are you going to pay for that?’

[@helenswan705]

I havent got to that bit yet. Pls explain the initials.

[@bradleywalsh8571]

I suspect a certain Mr Meadway will try and dissuade them, but one can be pleasantly surprised.

[@alancornes8916]

@@helenswan705 Sorry, MMT stands for modern monetary theory . Basically, it proposes that a sovereign country with its own currency can never run out of money and that the function of taxes is not to pay for government spending but to take money out of the economy to prevent inflation, give value to the currency in that you can only pay your taxes using it, and to reduce inequality and steer behaviour (e.g. taxes on cigarettes and alcohol ).

[@TheBlueskyson]

Some further discussion on EMT is critical too

[@LB-W]

How can anyone be educated and well informed when the internet search engines are becoming censored and directing us towards a narrowing information lane? I would love to see this lady have a conversation with the working class person. It would be telling.

[@joso7228]

the working class? where are they now?

[@wadesmith666]

What a great conversation. Grace has got it going on. She cuts straight to the pith of each position highlighting what that position posits, and why it has bias, and then takes you to a position that would be more helpful for the many people, as opposed to the few that create to system for their benefit .

[@richardpalmer3998]

I struggle with the posh, entitled lady pontificating about the plight of the working class while Aaron boasts about shopping at Waitrose.

[@hylen26]

You'll be okay.

[@AS-gz8oe]

I’m not going to lie, that throw away ‘joke’ did evoke a side eye from me as well. Unfortunately it’s only ever a certain level of financial security that allows people to become this well aquatinted with politics. Just be grateful they were drawn to the side of the common good

[@richardpalmer3998]

100% I'm glad Grace is on the left's side. I did come around to her by the end of the interview and enjoyed her on Live. How she spoke about her career choices came across negatively to me; it was as though she had every opportunity available to her and could pick and choose. I don't think there was any analysis of her socialist upbringing compared to her private education. Whenever Aaron mentions Waitrose, I think of the Facebook group Overheard in Waitrose, which hit the headlines a few years back.

[@leecoulbeck]

Me too, I'm a long time member of the Socialist Party earning a minimum wage. I'm still waiting for the call to go on the show!

[@DavidAKZ]

Total virtue signalling.

[@clowncarqingdao]

Best interview I've watched this year. Thank you.

[@Huesos138]

May I request that you at some point interview an anarchist? Perhaps someone like Ruth Kinna. Novara's implication that the radical left = marxism is a bit tiring.

[@amylou7991]

They had David Wengrow on.

[@Huesos138]

​@@amylou7991 He talked about history, anthropology, and archeology. He is not an expert on political theory. Someone like Ruth Kinna would focus on anarchism, its characteristics and place in the socialist movement. I am sure you understood that's what I meant.

[@GaryParris]

Great conversation; Grace is excellent! The problem is money and free market is too intertwined with politics. Severing the political class from the business sector and the capital and power classes. That is increasing with every year from the thatcher years!

[@nunyabidness3075]

I’m not sure what you mean. It might be interesting to really look into that sort of thing. My impression is that much of the backlash against Thatcher was framed as anti wealth but was really protection for the powerful and connected.

[@socratesagain7822]

The conqueror two-step. 1. Acquire power. 2. Enact laws/policies that _perpetuate_ one's power... Let's break down step 2. Buy political aspirants. Place them in power, have them enact policies that allow one to capture media and pay no taxes. This political system capture allows the 1% to indoctrinate the masses into _believing_ all policies get enacted for the mass benefit, hence getting the mass to defend said policies! Talk about _inverse totalitarianism_ ...

[@conniethesconnie]

The US does not have a free market. You don't make money by selling a better mouse trap, companies make most their money from government. Find a business where you can just hang a shingle on your front door and go into business. What you will find is that there is a regulatory and institutional barriers to entry that allow only a small group to control the market. In no way is it free of competative.

[@whirloffire]

27:40 The digging of the minerals for lithium batteries is very invasive. You may be saving the air, but you are for sure sacrificing the soil. When it comes to the air, it has a filtering cycle through the trees. The soil is permanently damaged by the mining of these minerals. Renewable resources have a great long-term at the sacrifice of where the bass components are mined

[@bawbagindustries]

Point of order about Tesla. In a similar way to Apple, their contributions the actual advancement of their respective technological areas has been incremental, at best. These companies live large in the public consciousness mainly because the media classes use them as totems. Notice un-ironically that they are both premium brands popular among these same media classes. Additionally, both these companies have been heavily subsidised or bailed out by the taxpayer or other large corporations in order to survive at all.

[@rlendore65]

But a lot of their Technologies were developed by the public sector, Siri was a US Military project till the creators left and were picked up by Apple. Tesla was previously a company backed by US government dollars eventually bought out by Musk. All these private companies are able to do is CAPITALISE on Public funding.

[@flickwtchr]

My first introduction to Grace Blakeley. She's brilliant.

[@nessimrihani5962]

A briliant guest and a great analysis of the status quo. Thanks for this

[@JudsonParker]

Thanks!

[@rayoflightcanada]

what a brilliant lady she is , thank you for speaking out , im so depressed but at least some are speaking out

[@stayhungry1503]

im really glad i found this channel. ive listened to three interviews so far and all of them were great.

[@m.rebman7221]

At about the 45 minute mark, Ms Blakeley makes a key point about how the natural opponents to the current nihilism of the neoliberal order are lured into full participation in the money go round instead of applying themselves to building viable alternatives to the status quo. Clearly, she escaped the fate prepared by public school and Oxford. It is refreshing that young activists and intellectuals like these have such insight into the contemporary world. One can be optimistic in good faith seeing that cadres of change proponents are here to rally behind. And change is coming - just ensure it is the change we all need.

[@trustthedogsheneverlies644]

The system is simply socialised debt and privatised profit 34:22

[@DredFonnelly]

Can anyone help me to understand what her conception of the 'free market' is that she keeps contrasting our system against? My understanding is that the market is quite 'free' and that's precisely what leads inevitably to huge monopolies that then constrain competitors.

[@bqdavis1]

Behind every Monopoly you will find Government maintaining it in one way or another.

[@Kid_Ikaris]

3 minutes in and I'm enjoying the unabashed embrace of the spirit of fully automated luxury communism

[@nicky640]

I'm a leftist, but due to my desire to understand finance (and many on the left going totalitarian in idealism) I've been hanging in rightist echo chambers. It is nice to know their perspective. I find it really funny that the left ascribes the megacorps to the right (because they're capitalist) and the right ascribes the megacorps to the left (because they're globalist). That makes it seem to me that neither left nor right wants megacorps. Wouldn't it be time to come together to stand up for the people? I mean yes the left sticks up for the poor and that's important because of human rights and wellfare, but the right sticks up for the middle class and that's at least as important because of decentralisation being the best way to temper corruption. Both sides dislike the super wealthy. What would you say... time to unite? I see only losers in this right vs left narrative. I think we're closer than we reckon we are.

[@gabrielledanielsson3286]

Totally agree.

[@TheBlueskyson]

Nick. Best comment on you tube!

[@nicky640]

@@TheBlueskyson Thanks! ❤️ I hope this spreads!

[@Rolo-gn1nk]

I am very late to this, but I thought this was an overall good comment. I take small issue with left is for the poor & the right is for the middle class. I am finding it increasingly difficult to empathize with the current discourse on the right. I don't think the right has the middle class interest at heart.

[@nicky640]

​@@Rolo-gn1nk Thanks for thinking I left a good comment. It's nice for me to read it back, as I've since then shed my "leftist" political identity. Simply moving to an identity of "having my own thoughts on things". Neither the left nor the right has a healthy ideology, I think.

[@dear_darling]

Absolutely fascinating conversation 💥👏🏼

[@victoriavelvet3689]

I’m middle class with a poor woman’s purse, that’s what keeps me fighting for more! 😂

[@coopsnz1]

Taxation theft it enriches poltical class. Move where government less greedy southern Europe

[@coopsnz1]

4 bed home water views £1.5 . In Sydney Australia you looking at 5 milion dollars in Bondi Beach or £3.2 milion pounds

[@josephineh6154]

Love Grace!!

[@JoseLopez-tk4tq]

The myth of the "Free Market" or the "level playing field" updated with intriguing analysis and thought provoking discussion. Bravo!

[@Celadonfae]

The conversation towards the end reminds me of a great quote that I think is attributed to an unknown civil servant, "the beaurocracy is expanding, to meet the needs of the expanding beaurocracy". This is apparently obvious, rational policy to our current shower of political windbags.

[@kiwitrainguy]

Quote about the New Zealand Railways in the 1950s: Railways function in spite of administration not because of it. This could be applied to many other government run organisations.

[@randybackgammon890]

How to maintain undemocratic power .Get the people to vote for one corrupt government after another.They think its democracy....job done

[@lloydedwards7634]

Grrat interview. I'll add my bit. A necessary condition of reform is to identify conflicts of interest & systematically eliminate them: political donations; think tank funding; revolving doors between politics and enterprise; funding by special interests in science., coexistence of private & state education; etc.

[@camdencobain1460]

And Starmer will do nearly everything imaginable to shield those conflicts of interest, I have no doubt whatsoever.

[@BosskV2]

Long Term Impacts of Social Media on Young People: My nephew was given a smart phone at 11 years of age. He became so addicted to his smart phone that by age 13 / 14... he was sleep depriving himself so severely that he developed epilepsy. That epilepsy caused him to have auditory hallucinations. He was hearing voices in his head telling him to take a knife to school, stab his class mates and then commit suicide. His doctors signed him off sick from school for a year. He then went to a hospital school where he took his GCSEs. His attendance levels were low and his grades were very poor. His parents had the nerve to blame him for the entire thing. We had to report both parents to social services. He then turned 16 and chose to emancipate himself from both of his parents and he's now living with his grandparents (my parents). He's attending college full time and attempting to turn his life around. The impact of smart phones / social media on young people, is well and truly profound.

[@krob2327]

Ash uses social media to drive her hatred. She’s a stain on novara

[@alexanderewing3779]

Blame the parents?...

[@BosskV2]

@@alexanderewing3779 ...oh they were reported to social services at length. Trust me.

[@BosskV2]

@@alexanderewing3779 ...regardless, thanks for your comments. The parents attempt to blame shift on a regular basis. Its deeply toxic. Its reassuring to hear someone point out the obvious, as you just have.

[@BosskV2]

@@krob2327 ...was Ash even in this episode?

[@Marco-wq7nn]

She nailed it and shows that the political spectrum where we can choose from is worthless in relation to what is at stake here. Change will never come by politics.

[@PL.Borneo]

Private enterprise is designed to first look after shareholders not customers. Especially in the age of globalisation where corporations are not beholden to any particular customers. And workers always at the bottom. The cheaper the better.

[@kiwitrainguy]

Yes, Aaron got the first two the wrong way round. It's always been: Profits, then providing goods or services and then, in distant third place, employees.

[@gettheflockoutofhere]

In Ireland we have a term "Champagne Socialist". Our President is one. And so are you two. Very informative and entertaining video. Let them drink Champagne … and if you have your way we all will, How bad.

[@mawkernewek]

1:13:30 though the liberal view might alter if you point out that social mobility can go down as well as up, and you may not get the return you were implicitly promised on your children's private school fees. I would worry that if the age of substantial economic growth is largely behind us, the ruling class will really drop social mobility like a hot potato if they realise that in a static or contracting economy, social mobility means that there's a good chance their children will be poor.

[@fizzy3949]

In the opening of the video Grace articulated it perfectly.

[@francisdelacruz6439]

There are mechanisms where entities in the same class are quasi organized to advocate for their interests in a variety of areas resulting in policy and governance changes in their favor.