This is how the Clone Wars used to end... (2003 Clone Wars Micro Series Volume 2 Recap)

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[@thorskywalker]

Figured this would be a good video to do both before the final arc of the new Clone Wars, and before doing the "Battle of the Heroes and Villains" video about General Grievous, which should be up tomorrow.

[@lancecurry7538]

I've been looking forward to this...

[@Loftiest]

_A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one._

[@starjumper0923]

If u could remove one star wars movie from star wars what would it be?

[@catinthehat2649]

star jumper09 last jedi

[@lancecurry7538]

@@starjumper0923 | Difficult. There are _three_ sequels... but I'd nix The Rise of Skywalker so that Colin Trevorrow could make Duel of the Fates.

[@zvonimirtomac7896]

The show where Grievous wasn't a joke.

[@darthcaedus9130]

The scene where grievous was on the elevator wall outside and the clone inside the elevator said eff it and fired a rocket at grievous 😂

[@nuclearjanitors]

The show without 64y space mexicans and sjw bullshit. I member.

[@Darkchipper07]

@@nuclearjanitors go away.

[@nuclearjanitors]

@@Darkchipper07 no bitch

[@Darkchipper07]

@@nuclearjanitors Please.

[@VulturePilot]

“Remember what I taught you, General. If you are to succeed against the best of the Jedi you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation at your side. For if any one element were to be lacking it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them, only then will you have victory and claim your trophy” Dooku training Grievous in this series.

[@francescolombardi3438]

Use the Unorthodox! (Grievous starts breakdancing)

[@creed8712]

VulturePilot nobody ever seems to remember that. It’s almost like it completely validated how he acted in the movie and later in the show.

[@VulturePilot]

Creed most people didn’t watch the show or read the Novelization that came out a month before the movie did. I was the perfect age and demographic for it being 12 years old and very interested in both. But unfortunately most people that watched ROTS did so without having seen this series.

[@eraart7234]

Yeah I think he breezed over that scene too quickly. That training session was pure gold. It highlighted Dooku's council, and most importantly, his skill. He was able to easily fend off this version of Grievous despite it only being training. His words also solidify Grievious' tactics.

[@ephidel285]

It is good strategy for one without the Force to defeat one with the Force.

[@ontasbulent5709]

Thor the Shaggy Jedi‘s name is Sha‘a Gi he‘s a reference to him.

[@darthtroller]

Darth Darth Binks' apprentice

[@matthewmuir8884]

The moment that proved how badass Grievous is: he defeated Shaggy!

[@masterrserch3971]

Darth Troller Lol “Darth Darth” ... I don’t think I ever heard Jar Jar’s sith conspiracy name said like that hahaha

[@masterrserch3971]

Matthew St. Cyr especially if he was really high and numb to pain!

[@modmaker7617]

I am certain that Sha'a Gi was even voiced by the same guy that did the voice for Shaggy at the time.

[@BahamutZero09]

One thing to mention Thor that the Ghost Hand arc is a subtle foreshadowing to Anakin's redemption. The deformed male warriors returning to the village made the wives quite fearful but a child, however still sees one warrior as his father despite the machinations the Techno Union did to them, a subtle nod to Luke Skywalker seeing the light in his father.

[@sealionstudios8597]

They even play the Force theme when the father hugs the child.

[@DemonicRemption]

@Bahamaut Zero That's just sad... I didn't even notice that foreshadowing when I was 14. Of course I didn't see the OT in it's entirety too, but I knew about Anakin's redemption at that time... So catching that now, especially after having seen the Clone Wars cartoon again roughly half a year ago... That's just sad... -_-

[@ExterminatusM4A]

You're reading way too much into it. It's just a kid reaching out to their dad. It's a powerful, universally relatable moment. It's a coincidence, not symbolism.

[@rodriguezelfeliz4623]

hahahahaha "subtle"?

[@DarkSpyro707]

@@ExterminatusM4A we're talking about a writer who specializes in silent story telling, symbolism is the core pillar of it.

[@jayenlow1191]

Spinning lightsabers like a helocopter is one thing. wielding lightsabers with your feet, the stuff of nightmares

[@Hashbrown1682]

"Loom Ma no hands, all feet!!!!!"

[@darkjediknight2923]

Yes indeed. Mistakes I think they made: 1. Grievous encountering Obi Wan nearly every time he engages in battle. "And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that meddling Kenobi!" 2. Dooku meeting Anakin every other week, significantly reducing the impact of ROTS. 3. The Chip nonsense. This completely ruins the gravitas and brilliance as well as tragedy of Order 66 and the fall of the Jedi. It's a brilliant evil plan and legal executive order that makes it incredibly powerful in ROTS. The chip nonsense is unnecessary and does not conform to the movie canon. 4. Individualising TOO MANY clones. The clone troopers should only be as good as their commanders. They obey any order without question. They are shown to be Clone Stormtroopers once the "moral" Jedi are done away with. I can understand some Clone Commandos being grown and bred differently and a few ARCs like Rex. But the entire army in the show seems to be made of individuals with personalities and ideas who often disobey orders and are insubordinate. 5. THE CIS CONSTANTLY LOSING. The show makes it feel like the Republic didn't even need the Clone Army and the war could have been won 2 weeks after AOTC. The CIS should be a formidable organisation with massive public support thanks to impassioned speeches of Dooku and questions about corruption in the Republic. The Jedi should be struggling and taking loses, tragically being thrown onto the front lines by the Republic. Grievous should be besting some Jedi Masters to make him a threat. The CIS should be WINNING on merit through superior droid forces in some cases and better tactics to create a stalemate. 6. The show does not show us enough JEDI. This is the golden era of Jedi. We should be seeing LOTS of Jedi Masters like Master Di, Stass Allie, Shaak Ti, Adia Gallia, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu etc on the front line. Many of these Jedi should prove to be the shifting of the tide in battles whilst others should also tragically fall. 7. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. I think that I don't need to elaborate why. 8. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. This is so important it deserves an additional bullet point. 9. Not enough young Jedi of Anakin's age to compare how he acts versus others when it comes to romance, attachment and dealing with difficult battle situations. 10. Not showing us Labrynth of Evil (a great book) as a feature length show. 11. Not showing more Clone Commandos because they look cool. 12. Going off on tangents. Absolutely zero need to make the show about Maul. Is Darth Maul a great character? HELL YES. But a show about Maul should be set BEFORE TPM. And not in the Clone Wars. So many episodes went off to cover the Nightsisters, or children being stolen by Sidious. But this show should be about THE WAR. Conflicts and machinations. 13. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA DAMMIT.

[@learsonite4751]

@@darkjediknight2923 Interesting points.

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@learsonite4751 Thank you. Please feel free to share. I just feel that there was so much more to tell and that could have been done.

[@learsonite4751]

@@darkjediknight2923 I've actually fantasized about re-writing the entire prequel trilogy.

[@Luke-nn4pm]

Grevious is so powerful he even defeated Sha’agi

[@racoonlittle1679]

And you know the power of Ultra Instinct Shaggy...

[@trafficcone7344]

@Luke nah bro, I believe that Jedi grandmaster Sha’agi was just messing with him and used .000000000000000000001% of his to survive being crushed by grievous’ foot

[@denifnaf5874]

Shagtee died 3 times

[@Luke-nn4pm]

"Sha'agi" and "Shaak-Ti" are two different characters btw. I see some responses gettibg confused. Shaak-Ti is a togruta, Sha'agi is a looks like shaggy from scooby do. Greivous kills both in canon.

[@NamelessKing1597]

@@denifnaf5874 4 if you count The one in Lego Star Wars but I guess it was the same as her Jedi temple death except Vader beheads her instead of stabbing her.

[@lancecurry7538]

_"Make peace with the Force now... for this is your final hour!"_ *~ General Grievous, 22 BBY*

[@calm_hawk5167]

I do find it funny when everyone talks about just how badass Grevious is in this series. Truth be told EVERYONE is cranked up to 1000% in this show and it's awesome.

[@skywalker2676]

Calm_Hawk noob Ong mace windu punching through battle droids was just op asf lmaoo

[@rabbox4513]

Yeah it's like people think he was nerfed in the movie and tv show when it's clearly the other way around for everybody

[@dannyhuskerjay]

Killmonger 26 or windu just stomped him by crushing his lungs

[@protector_of_the_realms]

Part of the reason I really don't like it tbh, though I really love the theory that it's all an exaggerated tale being told about the Jedi by kids or witnesses of the battle

[@jameshancock2309]

The over-the-top nature of the show, plus since it's 2D animation, was so great to see. They should have kept Grevious the way he was though, just so I could actually believe he was a known Jedi-killer rather than some general who always ran away, forcing the Jedi and clones to have to defeat him with alternative strategies instead of outright battle.

[@aldoesagood5316]

Dude, the fight between Asajj and Anakin in this series was one of my favorite tv moments of all time as a child. That part at the end where Anakin just yells over the canyon after his victory...

[@iamvegeta2008]

Damn ...what a fight it was 😍

[@raffydog619]

Yes! I was hoping somebody would mention this. That battle and all scenes with Ventress were pure gold

[@cheafmin1399]

Oh that was awesome, still is. Personally though, it's tied with Grievou's introduction, mace wendu's hand to hand against the army of super battle droids, and the red clone trooper (you know which one).

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@cheafmin1399 Captain Fordo.

[@Alarcj7]

"I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku!" "And I have trained the man who killed him!" -General Grevious and Obi-Wan Kenobi-19 BBY.

[@francescolombardi3438]

and this clone Wars actually shows Grievous being trained by Dooku

[@VulturePilot]

Matthew stover’s revenge of the Sith novel is amazing I loved that exchange

[@Healthwannabe7556]

That's like a triple 1-up.

[@Alarcj7]

@@VulturePilot Meanwhile, the majority of the fans is more addicted to the memes of this scene than to the lore from what I've seen. *Ironic!* I guess.

[@Healthwannabe7556]

@@Alarcj7 Why is it ironic or even bad? I'm really glad that the comments section has turned into a bunch of memes rather than what it was 5 years ago. This is wholesome the way it is.

[@victorbruant389]

End? End you say? Master Thor not end. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the Clone War has.

[@johnivanoplimo5172]

[Plays Imperial March in the background.]

[@matthewmuir8884]

10:09 The Techno-Union aren't droids; they're normal aliens. Knowing that makes Anakin's rampage all the scarier. Also, one moment that I really liked was that, when the captured natives see the broken stub of Anakin's robot arm, they tear off the robot arms the Techno-Union implanted on them and cheer for the Ghost Hand.

[@cpob2013]

this guy isnt big on getting details straight. he gets the cave vision backwards too. the hero goes mad and kills everyone, not losing his wife and then going mad

[@kevincastillo6861]

General Grievous was a freaking badass in the original Clone Wars. I also really loved the Samurai Jack art style. He was a jedi terminator in that series, his true potential.

[@darkjediknight2923]

Yes indeed. Mistakes I think they made: 1. Grievous encountering Obi Wan nearly every time he engages in battle. "And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that meddling Kenobi!" 2. Dooku meeting Anakin every other week, significantly reducing the impact of ROTS. 3. The Chip nonsense. This completely ruins the gravitas and brilliance as well as tragedy of Order 66 and the fall of the Jedi. It's a brilliant evil plan and legal executive order that makes it incredibly powerful in ROTS. The chip nonsense is unnecessary and does not conform to the movie canon. 4. Individualising TOO MANY clones. The clone troopers should only be as good as their commanders. They obey any order without question. They are shown to be Clone Stormtroopers once the "moral" Jedi are done away with. I can understand some Clone Commandos being grown and bred differently and a few ARCs like Rex. But the entire army in the show seems to be made of individuals with personalities and ideas who often disobey orders and are insubordinate. 5. THE CIS CONSTANTLY LOSING. The show makes it feel like the Republic didn't even need the Clone Army and the war could have been won 2 weeks after AOTC. The CIS should be a formidable organisation with massive public support thanks to impassioned speeches of Dooku and questions about corruption in the Republic. The Jedi should be struggling and taking loses, tragically being thrown onto the front lines by the Republic. Grievous should be besting some Jedi Masters to make him a threat. The CIS should be WINNING on merit through superior droid forces in some cases and better tactics to create a stalemate. 6. The show does not show us enough JEDI. This is the golden era of Jedi. We should be seeing LOTS of Jedi Masters like Master Di, Stass Allie, Shaak Ti, Adia Gallia, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu etc on the front line. Many of these Jedi should prove to be the shifting of the tide in battles whilst others should also tragically fall. 7. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. I think that I don't need to elaborate why. 8. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. This is so important it deserves an additional bullet point. 9. Not enough young Jedi of Anakin's age to compare how he acts versus others when it comes to romance, attachment and dealing with difficult battle situations. 10. Not showing us Labrynth of Evil (a great book) as a feature length show. 11. Not showing more Clone Commandos because they look cool. 12. Going off on tangents. Absolutely zero need to make the show about Maul. Is Darth Maul a great character? HELL YES. But a show about Maul should be set BEFORE TPM. And not in the Clone Wars. So many episodes went off to cover the Nightsisters, or children being stolen by Sidious. But this show should be about THE WAR. Conflicts and machinations. 13. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA DAMMIT.

[@theblade1251]

@@darkjediknight2923 to be fair in legends there are clones who are disobeying certain order most notably the arc troopers and the commandos

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@theblade1251 Yes, but that's the entire point. Arc troopers and commandos are bred completely differently from the regular army (who form the bulk of the Grand Army). "Rise of Darth Vader", the novel, shows this in clarity. The regular clone troopers led by their Commander do not hesitate and ambush the Jedi Generals. The Commando team hesitates and stuns their fellow troopers on the grounds that this might be a CIS trick. They are later punished.

[@seeker_rodan3113]

YES THIS IS THE GRIEVOUS NOBODY TALKS ABOUT The reason why I love general Grievous to the end and desire a movie dedicated to his story.

[@ModernTyrannosaurus]

I wouldn't say nobody talks about this Grievous.

[@hussainalramadhan7179]

Well I read the legends book and it was awesome

[@seeker_rodan3113]

@@ModernTyrannosaurus more so that he doesn't get the attention he deserves. Kinda like saying who remembers G.G when he was cool

[@yohan4027]

Vangyx_217 Correction* “Deserved” no one talks about this version because he is no longer canon. Because he’s not canon what he does in this show amounts to little more then thought provoking exploits that would have been cool but are irrelevant cause Canon Grievous can’t do it. This makes this version of Grievous a waste of time for authors to look at if even considering expanding on Grievous’s past. Other words, bout’ as relevant at Sith Lord Jar Jar...... gonna go cry now

[@gigivaldovinos8999]

@Will DeMarco same here 2003 general Grievous is better then the 2008 on.

[@IM-xs3uv]

There's no question that the original Clone Wars version of General Greivous was the far superior one. Although the Clone Wars Micro Series wasn't perfect I do prefer its darker tone to that of the longer Clone Wars series.

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

While the 2003 Microseries version of Grievous is darker, the Microseries itself isn't as dark as TCW.

[@protector_of_the_realms]

For me, though I loved it as a kid I really don't like the 2003 Clone Wars. I love how Grevious was portrayed in it and how it showed some of the earlier days in the conflict and wish they took inspiration from that for the modern Clone Wars (though at the very beginning it was coined to be some sort of continuation from it anyway), but the 2003 version I just find a bit uninspiring, dull and lackluster. It’s action is so jarringly over the top and exaggerated it amounts to ridiculous nonsensical bs for me (which like the transformer and fast and furious films just isn’t my thing. I don’t find it interesting or engaging on any level sorry) and it doesn't have a lot going for it in plots, dialogue or character development. I also would say the show wasn't darker than it's 2008 counterpart. I think the tone doesn't vary as much because yes it's a hell of a lot shorter, but Clone Wars 2008 gets a lot darker in the later seasons and has some shit in the early seasons as well but Maul decapitating people, killing kids, his brother Savage ramming jedi with the spikes on his head, suicides, murder, execution, slavery, all of Umbara and the Mortis ark, most of it is far darker than the 2003 show ever got. And unfortunately on my rewatch of the micro series a couple years back, it was just a chore to get through and ultimately very boring and uninteresting for me and I actually found myself skipping ahead every few minutes to eventually turn it off and try to finish it another day. I get why some people like you love it though and it has a couple of things I really dig in it but ultimately I wouldn't recommend it if you're someone not all about action

[@IM-xs3uv]

@@protector_of_the_realms You make some very good points there.

[@jameshancock2309]

@@protector_of_the_realms The 2003 series has a lot of what made Samurai Jack very popular, cause Tartakovski was the creator behind that as well. In isolation I like stuff like Windu's battle with the Droid army, but thinking about how it would fit into Star Wars, with Jedi leaping insane distances like that, it doesn't work so well.

[@fwkuzu]

honestly if they fixed grevious and added in more of the cool shit jedi could do it would be almost perfect really sad it’s the last season i really wanted to see battle of coruscant and the other unfinished arcs

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

The Clone Wars (2003) Grievous is a badass and a tragic character if you read his Legends backstory he is one of my favorite Star Wars characters.

[@zachmiller3966]

Tucker Johnston I think his backstory is largely the same in canon. They haven’t touched on it much but from what we’ve gotten it’s pretty much the same.

[@punctuationman334]

Robert Ortiz-Wilson what’s his backstory in canon.

[@punctuationman334]

Robert Ortiz-Wilson that’s truly garbage.

[@ontasbulent5709]

The show was amazing. But it’s sad that most Fans don’t know that it exists.

[@darthcaedus9130]

Thats when fans that grew up with it, will educate the other fans that, hey, check this out. It has a jedi shaggy

[@johndoe9576]

Watched it a while back, absolutely did not like it. Though to be fair, I don't like the current clone wars either. Mace Windu flying around, punching out SBDs with his fists, Grevious outrunning blaster bolts and homing missiles, Troops on speeders rolling around knocking out artillery with lances. It was a terrible joke.

[@digino24]

@John Doe What would you have preferred?

[@protector_of_the_realms]

For me, though I loved it as a kid I really don't like the 2003 Clone Wars. I love how Grevious was portrayed in it and wish they took that for the modern Clone Wars, but the 2003 version I just find a bit uninspiring, dull and lackluster. Its action is so over the top and it doesn't have a lot going for it in plots, dialogue or character development. Also on my rewatch a couple years back, it was just a chore to get through and ultimately very boring and uninteresting for me and I actually found myself skipping ahead every few minutes to eventually turn it off and try to finish it another day. I get why some people like you love it though and it has a couple of things I really dig in it but ultimately I wouldn't recommend it if you're someone not all about action

[@protector_of_the_realms]

@@johndoe9576 Yeah almost exactly the same here though I really love the modern version of Clone Wars, all its development, themes, storytelling, worldbuilding, plots and for the most part its tone, I hold quite a few of the arcs as some of the best Star Wars work I have ever seen. But I'm interested what about that 2008 show didn't resonate with you?

[@sand4273]

I love the 2003 Clone Wars. It's over-the-top at times, but it's consistently engaging and some of the most fun to be had watching Star Wars.

[@blackshogun272]

I hate when some fans try to limit the power of The Force and tech in Star Wars. And their biggest gripe is this version of Grievous and The Jedi/Sith (with Ventress). Like it's the closest thing we got to a Legends timeline showcase of how powerful The Force and Star Wars technology is during times of crisis and war. I don't understand how someone can be content with space knight wizards fighting with laser swords only being able to knock over things and block blaster fire. Pathetic. Someone that has dedicated years in training with The Force should be able to perform truly amazing and terrifying feats of strength; not tip over a vehicle and run really fast...

[@igodreamer7096]

@@blackshogun272 word

[@OXY187]

@@blackshogun272 Luke was trained... And then he lost his arm. That's why I like it.

[@samuelazzaro]

@@blackshogun272 The problem with that is you get the DBZ issue. Basically, if you have the power levels keep ramping up, you eventually need to make God teir enemies to have your heroes fight. We all love Star Killer type Jedi, but if it was a common thing in cannon, then the ability to create unique stories would dry up real fast.

[@kian_5733]

Samuel Azzaro or they could have people who find other ways to attack jedi Like their need for focus for a powerful attack. Maybe you could have someone who (like grievous) trained specifically to fight jedi but more to stop their force power instead of their ability to defeat them in lightsaber duelling or something. Maybe they could implement something which could greatly reduce the power of their force and such and such.

[@dimenzed]

There is so much to admire about Tartakovsky's Clone Wars - the massive and epic battle scenes, the plot and how it connects Ep. II with Ep. III, the attention to detail and last but not least general Grievous... he is a true *JEDI KILLER!*

[@darkjediknight2923]

Yes indeed. Mistakes I think they made: 1. Grievous encountering Obi Wan nearly every time he engages in battle. "And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that meddling Kenobi!" 2. Dooku meeting Anakin every other week, significantly reducing the impact of ROTS. 3. The Chip nonsense. This completely ruins the gravitas and brilliance as well as tragedy of Order 66 and the fall of the Jedi. It's a brilliant evil plan and legal executive order that makes it incredibly powerful in ROTS. The chip nonsense is unnecessary and does not conform to the movie canon. 4. Individualising TOO MANY clones. The clone troopers should only be as good as their commanders. They obey any order without question. They are shown to be Clone Stormtroopers once the "moral" Jedi are done away with. I can understand some Clone Commandos being grown and bred differently and a few ARCs like Rex. But the entire army in the show seems to be made of individuals with personalities and ideas who often disobey orders and are insubordinate. 5. THE CIS CONSTANTLY LOSING. The show makes it feel like the Republic didn't even need the Clone Army and the war could have been won 2 weeks after AOTC. The CIS should be a formidable organisation with massive public support thanks to impassioned speeches of Dooku and questions about corruption in the Republic. The Jedi should be struggling and taking loses, tragically being thrown onto the front lines by the Republic. Grievous should be besting some Jedi Masters to make him a threat. The CIS should be WINNING on merit through superior droid forces in some cases and better tactics to create a stalemate. 6. The show does not show us enough JEDI. This is the golden era of Jedi. We should be seeing LOTS of Jedi Masters like Master Di, Stass Allie, Shaak Ti, Adia Gallia, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu etc on the front line. Many of these Jedi should prove to be the shifting of the tide in battles whilst others should also tragically fall. 7. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. I think that I don't need to elaborate why. 8. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. This is so important it deserves an additional bullet point. 9. Not enough young Jedi of Anakin's age to compare how he acts versus others when it comes to romance, attachment and dealing with difficult battle situations. 10. Not showing us Labrynth of Evil (a great book) as a feature length show. 11. Not showing more Clone Commandos because they look cool. 12. Going off on tangents. Absolutely zero need to make the show about Maul. Is Darth Maul a great character? HELL YES. But a show about Maul should be set BEFORE TPM. And not in the Clone Wars. So many episodes went off to cover the Nightsisters, or children being stolen by Sidious. But this show should be about THE WAR. Conflicts and machinations. 13. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA DAMMIT.

[@dimenzed]

@@darkjediknight2923 damn, I'm copying this in case of future arguments! Thanks.

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@dimenzed Thank you. Please feel free to share. Also I wish we had seen George Lucas' actual sequels because the ORIGINAL creator's vision is all that matters.

[@dimenzed]

@@darkjediknight2923 true that.

[@toatakanuva4846]

Imagine if 2008 Grievous kept his personality, but was just as powerful as his 2003 version. I mean come on, he took on 5 jedi masters like it was nothing. This would be the best of both worlds.

[@justskip4595]

Also his fear tactics and tricks don't seem to work on Windu and engaging someone like him or Yoda (and eventually Obi Wan) would have ended up with his loss.

[@herosshade2247]

The problem with that is that they can't have him be a regular villain, there'd be too many characters dying lol

[@lifehasnopurpose]

@@herosshade2247 It would've been really underwhelming for him to constantly kill nameless jedi.

[@VinVonVoom]

The closest thing we have right now is ROTS Grievous, he isn't as much of a complete joke but he still isn't close to his 2003 counterpart.

[@lifehasnopurpose]

@@VinVonVoom It would've been best if TCW followed ROTS Grievous.

[@MrMan-vb7mg]

General Grievous is fantastic in Clone Wars 2003. He’s cool and threatening. He acts rather than talks. 3D Grievous is all bark and no bite. While, 2D Grievous is all bite and no bark.

[@wachyfanning]

That's kinda what I love about 3D Grievous. We've got enough badass villains, it's fun to watch Grievous talk shit then immediately retreat.

[@MrMan-vb7mg]

I like his calm and cool voice in Clone Wars 2003. Not a really fan of his coughing Russian accent.

[@carmelitadosdos8802]

@@wachyfanning so you want grievous to be a pussy?? aight...

[@wachyfanning]

@@carmelitadosdos8802 Yes

[@cpob2013]

the few words he does say are chilling

[@retro_redgrave]

Watching this iteration of the Clone Wars from beginning to end, just after seeing AoTC and waiting for the eventual release of Revenge of the Sith, was absolutely phenomenal as a kid back then. And being that it did air on Cartoon Network, seeing episodes of this spliced in between commercials for shows like Dragon Ball Z on Toonami or Justice League/Unlimted was like a dream come true for 8 yo me. I even remember the final time this series was aired on Toonami on a Saturday night just as RoTS came out and actually the day before I saw the film itself. Seeing EP3 with this entire series fresh in my mind was so cool because I saw what happened and lead up to the film. The closest thing that's come to thar excitement for me would be Infinity War/Endgame respectively. I loved the over the top action this show had, where sometimes dialogue wasn't entirely needed to tell a short story. One such example of that which comes to mind are the underwater battle with Kit Fisto and Mace Windu fighting an entire army of super battle droids. Which makes sense since the creator of this show did create Samurai Jack after all (a wonderful series btw). While I do love the more recent Clone Wars series alot too over the past few years, this series has always stuck with me cause of that build up to Revenge of the Sith, wheras with the other I wasn't too interested in for awhile back in the day cause I felt it was unnecessary because we know what is ultimately going to happen and there just wasn't that anticipation because TCW released after the films were over (at the time of course).

[@igodreamer7096]

Genndy Tartakovsky is a great director, love his work and the way he thinking!

[@uknownuser23]

Shadaloo Vile george was a phenomenal planner. he has us hooked

[@MrPajamaShark]

Man, it's like you reached straight into my brain to write this comment. I had the exact same experience with these. I think it says a lot that pretty much everybody growing up with these shorts has such vivid memories and recollection of them, not to mention such high praise.

[@theuglydumplings3324]

Fun fact: the Whiphid Jedi that Grievous strikes down, Master K’Kruhk, is not actually killed here even though he’s left for dead. He actually survives his injuries and goes on to fight in the Clone Wars.

[@an0rangutan]

He even becomes the pseudo-grandmaster for a time much later, he lives a very long life and is known for his incredible ability to take punishment and survive no matter what. He dies at a very late age, as an accomplished, Order 66 survivor.

[@jeremyworgull9024]

@@an0rangutan K'Kruhk never actually died of age in legends he was still kickin it 140 years after the battle of Yavin leading the NJO as grandmaster and is a leading member of the Galactic Federation Triumvirate these are only a few reasons K'Kruhk is my second favorite Jedi after pre Disney Luke Skywalker

[@an0rangutan]

@@jeremyworgull9024 Well I just mean he eventually dies and he gets quite old, heheh, I never had recollection of him having a death, but I know he got damn old before that inevitability.

[@jeremyworgull9024]

@@an0rangutan well Yeah he'd eventually die but I meant he never had an actual death before Disney erased the EU but yeah he was old as hell even for Whipids his species usually live to be 240 300 years old he was born in 57 BBY same as Obi-wan and Quinlan Vos and trained with them so yeah he probably wouldn't have lasted much longer if the EU kept going

[@an0rangutan]

@@jeremyworgull9024 Yeah, it's unfortunate, man. I just gotta assume if anyone is gonna die of old age, it's that guy, because lord knows seemingly nothing can put him down for good.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

2003/Tartakovsky Grievous: A Jedi's worst nightmare. 2008/Filoni Grievous: Punching bag.

[@lancecurry7538]

*2D GRIEVOUS:* All I am surrounded by is fear... and dead men. *3D GRIEVOUS:* Oh, not good...

[@diegoalejandro7136]

Tbf 2008 grievous is more consistent with his portrayal in revenge of the sith

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@diegoalejandro7136 No he's not. In Episode III, Grievous was cunning and tactical. In TCW, all he ever does is get beat up and never lives up to his reputation.

[@diegoalejandro7136]

@@vetarlittorf1807 Literally all he does in ep 3 is run away and get rekt by obi wan

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

Wasn't actually Filoni, this was Lucas's doing... Filoni and the team had been planning to continue badass Grievous, but when George finally decided on a character for Grievous, the ROTS version is what he chose 😢

[@NoCluYT]

I like the thing about the "Ghost hand". Those people we're likely talking about the prophecy. They may have some strong connection to the force and could've been very significant people in the star wars Canon.

[@tamasmuszbek]

Fun fact: those blue alien cats were speaking Hungarian (movies often use Hungarian as some kind of alien language instead of making up a new one), I literally understood what they were saying. Obi-wan's translation was on point.

[@alexsmistakes7975]

Sadly, not anymore because cw isn't canon :(

[@spartan0771]

This show highlights the one thing Clone Wars Canon did completely fail in doing: showing the scale of the clone war. Rarely do we get conflicts larger than two Venators and a few infantry. Two or three more Umbara style arc would have done the clone wars canon series a lot of good. Hopefully the Siege of Mandalore will give us one of these

[@saricubra2867]

I disagree with you because if you make the battles very epic and big, it creates a plot hole with the OT. You wonder why the scale of The Clone Wars is bigger than the galactic civil war if it lasts 3 years.

[@5h0rgunn45]

@@saricubra2867 The Galactic Civil War wasn't a full-scale war, it was a whole bunch of small-scale guerilla wars. The GCW may have lasted longer, and maybe killed more people overall, but the Clone War was far more intense, with all the death and destruction packed into just a few years. I see no problem with the Clone War involving battles on a much larger scale than the Galactic Civil War, because the Rebel Alliance never had the forces necessary to engage the Empire in open warfare--at least, not until after the destruction of the first Death Star.

[@igodreamer7096]

I agreed.

[@yarpen26]

Clone Wars actually did portray the Separatists as a very legitimate, competent threat who very often walked away victorious. In TCW you have no idea how come they're not done with inside a week.

[@AlexMrShot]

Clones are expensive. You can't just have thousands of them in every spot of the galaxy

[@ontasbulent5709]

Disney: 2D Clone Wars is not canon. Me: Not to me

[@arrowheadwaterbottle6815]

dave filoni: 2D Clone Wars is not canon. Me: Not to me I fixed it for you

[@Randaches]

@@arrowheadwaterbottle6815 Indeed, It's Filoni fault not Disney's. Filoni is not the "savior of SW" that you all think he is.

[@arrowheadwaterbottle6815]

@@Randaches I'm glad to see others aren't blind to the truth I'm used to getting a lot of hate whenever I point these things out

[@yospidey0078]

@Arrowhead Water Bottle Yes! more people need to wake up. Dave Filoni ruined the lore, he messed up the Mandalorians so much. People actually think Anakin was "fixed" in TCW he was a completely different character.

[@rcbmmines4579]

@@Randaches Exactly. It was Filoni who started the path that lead to the destruction of the EU.

[@Nate-mq4rh]

things that the new clone wars series really missed out on that this series covered are how anakin got his scar, becoming a knight, Obi Wan becoming a master and Anakin's transformation of a reckless teenager to a tenacious and passionate adult.

[@rcbmmines4579]

Yeah the new series (and the current "canon" as a whole) just skipped all over that. It makes the new continuity less tight. Way more holes to fill. Especially with the entire existence of Anakin's Padawan who's not mentioned at all in the Prequels.

[@Nate-mq4rh]

@@rcbmmines4579 I like Ahsoka, don't get me wrong, but in the early seasons she has literally no reason to exist, none at all. But Filoni really stepped her character development up to the point where she became a very prominent factor in Anakin turning to the darkside, but it is strange that she doesn't get mentioned at all in RotS, especially considering Anakin had just seen jer days before. And she should've without a doubt in my mind died in rebels, but now I'm just saying stuff that has been said before by many people.

[@Nate-mq4rh]

@@rcbmmines4579 I also think the canon show absolutely butchered the mandalorians and Jango Fett's character depth, which why I'm really hoping the siege of Mandalore and season 2 of TM really fix all of that

[@rcbmmines4579]

Nate oh yeah. Filoni has a strong attachment to Ahsoka. It’s said that Lucas actually wanted her dead but Filoni kept her alive throughout the show and spared her life by its end. Also yes, what they did to the Mandalorians was terrible. By the way you should check out the Captain Fordo KZbin channel. It has a comprehensive video series on EU CW vs Filoni TCW.

[@Nate-mq4rh]

@@rcbmmines4579 "Why the Clone Wars doesn't fit in legends", I've watched that video a few years back it's pretty good! He brings up a lot of valid points and criticism on how the legends material is superior to canon (as usual) and how Filoni and Lucas just completely destroyed continuity and ignored the many great stories and characters like Jango's backstory or Alpha-17, of which Captain Rex is just a watered down version of (still love rex) But yeah Filoni has a habit of getting too attached to bad ideas, kind of like how Lucas did, but Filoni gets a bit too much credit Imo. I mean, he did destroy continuity within the EU and the films, he butchered the mandalorians, watered down Alpha-17 and Grievous, made Ahsoka live past the original trilogy, brought in the world between worlds and gave us without a doubt the worst episode of the Mandalorian that relied on nostalgia more than anything. I still he's a terrific story maker in Lucasfilm, but he's just a bit overrated.

[@igodreamer7096]

In my heart, Clone Wars the animated series, by Genndy Tartakovsky, will always be cannon. The fact its in 2D cartoon style just make more charming, the quality of the storytelling and such will never get old! xD

[@anthonygarcia8749]

Couldn't agree more 💯💯

[@alchapo5372]

That scene when anakin snaps on obi wan saying he "is no quigon jinn" :( Also that anakin's voice actor was perfect

[@MrChupacabra555]

4:15 : What I liked about this version of Grevious is his fighting style. It was clear they wanted to hide the fact that he had multiple arms (keep that for the movie), but they wanted to show him using multiple light sabers. So they had him transferring sabers from hands to feet, at one time holding a third in a foot, and fluidly spinning around, using all limbs to hold a saber or to walk (although I see they show him with the 4 arms later; been so long I couldn't recall that)

[@SeraphimCramer]

I only wish the Grievous in this version had the same voice as the canon one. The accent just makes him so much more distinctive than the droids, or any other characters with mechanically altered voices.

[@Dass_Jennir]

AdraicStarks yeah, kinda crazy how he had like 2 or 3 different actors to play him just in this show.

[@mckayhatch6723]

See, I think his voice sounded pretty cool and a lot more evil in this one versus TCW and ROTS.

[@thyCarrot]

Someone made an edit doing just that

[@Xoruam]

The cool cartoon with intimidating villains, memorable quotes, epic battles and nice tie-ins into the films: *not canon* What is canon? Star destroyers not knowing _which side is up._ Yeah, I think I will choose my own canon, thank you very much.

[@Alber7892]

You're either delusional or only watched season 1 of TCW

[@The1Zubatman]

The loss of Grievous is a shame but Anakin’s trial of the spirit was also really good. The tribes’ warriors being accepted again by their village shows how Vader could be redeem. The first warrior to be accepted was a child recognizing their father, just as Vader was saved by his own child, Luke.

[@vaiyt]

That entire mini-arc shows Anakin's fall and redemption, his inner rage, his desire to do good with the dark side and the consequences of that, better than the entirety of the prequel movies and the EU. It's perfect.

[@haunted._sound]

Samurai Jack: Star Wars Edition

[@basedtvrk9125]

@Tryu Exactly the reason why this is better than the 3D CW.

[@fani3660]

Literally no reason for this show to not be canon it connects 2 and 3 perfectly.

[@RogueFox2185]

I love this series, the 2008 version is still good for the most part but this holds a special place place in my heart.

[@mattpiekos]

I absolutely LOVE the cartoon Clone Wars series. To this day, I still watch them in between Episodes 2 and 3.

[@ontasbulent5709]

As a child I watched often TCW. One day I saw on KZbin the 2D CW. When Grievous came I thought it‘s the weird four Arm droid who always loses. I was terrified when Grievous fought the Jedi. He was a beast. After that I always wished that in 3D CW he would do something cool.

[@Sigefreadthebulmunk]

Seriously this. Like I get it it was a kids show so you cant just have the heros loose all the time. But like... let him loose once a season. Give him a reason to have his reputation instead of making him the butt of jokes but having people be afraid of him still

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

George said he wanted an "80's mustache twirling cartoon villain who got beaten but always got away"... I don't envy Filoni and the team, having to change their more competent badass original plans to be more like who Lucas had decided Grievous was.

[@muwuny]

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[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Well he might have terrified some Jedi, but he never scared me. Just the perk of being a *bold one* I guess.

[@kishinasura1989]

More like the Trolling One master Kenobi

[@edwinrosario3849]

2003 version: Shows the Jedi at the height of their power, how they should be fighting, shows the true scale of the clone wars and the desperation of their struggle. Though shorter, it makes a point to cut to the heart of things with missions being related to winning the war and just how powerful these characters truly are. 2008 version: Tells the personal stories of the characters, gives them depth and make us understand them more in the sense of who they truly are. We come to know them, love them and admire with the episodic type adventures being even more random than in 2003 to spread to places not touched by the previous series. But with their strengths, they both lack in areas where they are necessary for the story to reach its greatest height. Replacing one with the other is a mistake but combining the two makes a perfect vision of what the clone wars were like. The Republic had their victories but the CIS was a major threat. Grievous is not a tool or a laughingstock but a holy terror, Anakin acts like himself but we can see his growth to become a Jedi Knight and we see the relationships of the characters develop while the action of desperation of the situation sets in. This is what we needed for the Clone Wars, the combination of both, not one over the other.

[@roshia_2783]

In other words: 2003 version - What really happened. 2008 version - Jedi propaganda.

[@edwinrosario3849]

@@roshia_2783 If you wish to see it that way then yes.

[@Vandicoup]

@@roshia_2783 It's the other way around since the Jedi are ridiculously over-powered and over the top in the 03 version.

[@edwinrosario3849]

@@Vandicoup In the 2008 version, they are shown as regular beings that have lightsabers and the Force. That could more or less be easily slain if you have enough brute strength or if you are a little deceptive which undercuts the point of them even training and using the Force. In the 2003 version, you see what they would truly be like, why the Mandalorians saw them as the greatest warriors in the galaxy. After decades of tapping into the Force, gaining a mastery over your own body and mind such levels of fluidity, speed and strength would make sense more than how they are portrayed in both the movies and the 2008 tv series. Primarily for the fact that such levels would not be translatable like Palpatine and Mace Windu fight where both were basically moving so fast that Anakin could not even keep up. Its how masters would fight and when it comes to Yoda and Palpatine. The fights would be faster and more intense than what we saw in Episode III. So no, its not the other way around and its not ridiculously overpowered, these are the Jedi at their prime. They have lost their way but their strength in the force is still there and the 2003 version more accurately depicts that.

[@Vandicoup]

@@edwinrosario3849 Then why haven't the Prequels showcased any of that? You don't see Jedi speed-running every second and rapid-punching droids with their bare hands and other crazy, over the top abilities. Look, we can all like what we like, but at the end of the day, to me at least, George Lucas's TCW works best for the Prequels because his vision is directly injected into it with the help of Filoni and it flows more easily with the Prequels because of that. As per what Sam Witwer himself told me: twitter.com/SamWitwer/status/1225839079725522945

[@jaroneller1525]

i watched the 2003 clone wars on your recommendation a few months back and i enjoyed it immensely as it was but this video just made me like it even more! it's so cool to hear that it actually led up to revenge of the sith

[@matthewtuckman4447]

I consider this 2003 version of the Clone Wars Canon

[@Zoroark_Master]

No matter if you do it isn’t and would contradict much of the canon. But it’s not like it doesn’t exist anymore and is still part of the EU continuity.

[@matthewtuckman4447]

@@Zoroark_Master Actually the EU, movies (episodes 1-6) and both Clone Wars which Disney calls "Legends" is the original Canon

[@matthewtuckman4447]

@@Zoroark_Master ok would it contradict much of Canon?

[@matthewtuckman4447]

How would it contradict Canon?

[@Zoroark_Master]

how grievous is portrayed, how op everyone is in the 2003 version compare to the movies and 2008 show, how grievous coughed way before when he face mace on corussant. also the fact that the 2008 show was always going to overwrite the 2003 one. everything from UE or legend aren't gone, just in a separate continuity.

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

The space boarding scene is one of my favorite space battle sequences not only in the Star Wars franchise, but the entire genre as well.

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

@OhSuPeRDuKeZ when I am creating space battles, I always try to have at least one space battle similar. Also, Tinn's battle armor is one of my favorites.

[@matth2662]

FORDO AND GRIEVOUS WERE SUCH BADASS’ IN THOSE!!!

[@gigivaldovinos8999]

Yes definitely!

[@GrievousFrom]

But only one of us returned for 2008. Ever wonder why?

[@brownsfan805]

Grievous From 2003 you won the gulag ?

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Everyone was badass there.

[@0predaking0]

I wished that the Clone wars 3D fill the time gape between his acension to Jedi Knigt to this final 5 chaps. Edit 1 BTW I was thinking if. . . . Only if Ashoka arc is placed in this moment. And when they are reunited is because they need Maul and they came from this iced planet of the outer rim into the Mandalore System. Then they are informed of everything bidding both series?

[@Link-hj5th]

I think the 2003 version of clone wars had better saber combat

[@thefunniestvalentine4789]

Dooku vs Ventress and the Nightsisters begs to differ

[@Link-hj5th]

The Funniest Valentine true. But the 2003 version had anakin vs ventress, grievous vs the Jedi masters, dooku vs ventress.

[@abc6568]

Better everything (yes, including story)

[@tinylegofiend8605]

Better saber combat due to the ease of 2D vs 3D yes. 3D Clone Wars has great moments more seasons in. rebels is... meh except for Ahsoka vs Vader. The animation in rebels is just ew

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@thefunniestvalentine4789 Not really, it doesn't.

[@ForceMaximus84]

I’d dare say that Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars was better: Short, succinct and strong. Too bad the DVDs are impossible to find.

[@tommoolenaar3901]

You can find it on KZbin I believe.

[@johnpoulton9446]

I have the dvds. The FYE locally typically has copies in and they can order from other stores. Once they open back up ill check and if they are there i will grab them. I honestly dont mind sending them if you cant find them.

[@ForceMaximus84]

john poulton Much obliged. I found Vol. 1 online, but Vol. 2 is a bit pricier.

[@5h0rgunn45]

@@ForceMaximus84 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp7HnH6cgcdrlZI

[@brandonp3455]

Agreed. As long as you take the exaggerations and feats as the product of rumor and myth in terms of canonicity, it lines up better with Revenge and is a fun and stylish stand alone that does more with 2d facial expressions than all the CGI and voiced dialogue in the world could do for the latter clone wars series. Due to nostalgia people will say the cgi series is better, but I’d argue the 2d one is superior - and it didn’t need to re-write a single character to pull it off, which more than can be said for the cgi series.

[@BrigadierVo]

They fixed grevious a little more in the crystal crisis arc that is unfinished. He is more of a threat in those episodes

[@ooPHOENIXoo]

The attention to detail of those 2D animated series were so spot on, and perfection in motion. The 3D Versions although decent, were no where close to the 2D Versions. A much more serious and darker version the 2D series brought to us; and man I miss it! That was quality work, and very much under appreciated!!!

[@Vandicoup]

Have you forgotten how utterly bloodthirsty, terrifying, murderous & nightmarish Maul was in TCW? And no, the 3D version is just as fantastic, if not better. The level of detail is stunning and the planets just pop. Naboo is such a work of art in TCW. Raxus too. Lot of TCW's planets are masterpieces. 110%. George Lucas & Dave Filoni for the win.

[@Deuteromis]

I enjoyed the last episode of that series with the siege of Corousaunt, it helped explain Grievous' cough. Though the official canon is that the technology that made him a cyborg isn't perfect.

[@johnvincent1823]

This is how you would really expect a Jedi killing machine to act.

[@TheCatWatches]

The 2003 Version of Grievous and his original tragic backstory will always be Canon Grievous for me

[@ajzeg01]

Hands-down, one of my favourite things to ever come out of Star Wars.

[@user-fb5ir3zz8l]

It’s one of the best Star Wars shows ever, next to Star Wars robot chicken. It stays true to the movies and show the progression of anakin and Obi Wan from their AOTC selves to their ROTS selves. It has great animation, action and ties in perfectly with the prequels, unlike TCW. There’s a lot of foreshadowing of anakin turning to the dark side in ways more subtle and powerful than TCW could ever manage. Hell, this show is the reason why TCW even exists since it was GL’s fondness for this show that led to the creation of TCW.

[@Vandicoup]

But in the end, it was GL who created TCW, not CW. The stories & concepts for the Clone War from GL are in TCW and not CW.

[@user-fb5ir3zz8l]

Vandicoup It was George’s fondness of the microseries that led to TCW’s creation. If the microseries didn’t exist, TCW wouldn’t exist. And George wouldn’t even have bothered to make a cartoon regarding the clone wars since the clone wars has already been so extensively covered in the clone wars multimedia project. Even the animation style for mace windu, Dooku and the Super battle droids are heavily inspired by that of the microseries

[@Vandicoup]

@@user-fb5ir3zz8l I get that, but at the end of the day, what Sam Witwer said, TCW is George's show, not CW and that's what I'm personally sticking with. George's stories & concepts were largely made for TCW: twitter.com/SamWitwer/status/1225839079725522945

[@ToonamiT0M]

I don't care what Disney says. This original mini series is part of my Star Wars canon along with Shadows of the Empire.

[@Zoroark_Master]

First not Disney who retcon it but the 2008 series, since both series contradict each other. Second no matter what it isn’t up to you on what is canon, sorry. But it’s not like it doesn’t exist anymore and is still part of the EU continuity.

[@makairidah8354]

*seriously What happened to grievous?* 2D grievous was a true jedi killer.a estrategist with a keen mind Capable of skillfully use his cybernetic enhanced body to such an extend he handicap himself by using 2 lightsabers.but even so with his mastery at terror tactics he was able to fight utterly defeat 6 jedi (two of wich were part of the Council) *in his first battle* 3D grievous is a saturday morning cartoon villain incredibly reckless who's only tactic against jedi is spin his hands very fast and when he is countermanouvered (wich is all the time) he runs away like a little bitch. The only time I saw him kill a jedi without any restrictions was agaisnt a padawan who just rose to knighthood (a very reckless one btw) and not because of his skill but due to bringing a blaster and shot him when he locked his lightsaber.and that was After he got utterly beaten and hummillated *in his own house*

[@acidous]

oh, that's simple - because TCW WAS saturday morning cartoon. We didn't need Ashoka (or any child padawan arround Anakin) in that show. We didnt need resurection of Maul. We didn't need droid adventures. We didnt need droid army behaving like toddlers. Yeah, it had some darker shit in later seasons, but overall it wasn't anything special. People just like to pretend that this was an "amazing SW" because showrunners covered everything in tons of cheap fanservice. And people for some reason really like cheap fanservice (there's a reason why people in general prefer KOTOR1 over 2 despite the former being just slight rehash of the original trilogy, and why most people started to dislike TFA not after watching it, but after disney started throw shit at fans after TLJ).

[@makairidah8354]

@@acidous i mean it kind of a legimitate answer but i think you are missing some points there

[@makairidah8354]

@@acidous people disliked the force awakens *because* of fanservice and being a cheap knockoff of ANH.the thing the fans did to disney after being insulted by the company.was go After TLJ itself (and understandibly so) People like kotor 1 because of being a legitimately fun game that expanded the lore about many things.and tho kotor 2 was good.it wasnt really much of an improvement of the original And yes the clone wars was a saturday morning cartoon that had a lot of fanservice.but the thing is.that after the first seasons it started to go beyond that.trying to do risks with his storylines.animation.and characters. Wich payed off by giving us interesting angles on all 3.fleshing out some aspects of the series that we would had never thought about like the clones or Ahsoka herself.and even giving a lot of development to characters i never expected to.like ventres or maul *wich is why* im so pissed off they never gave grievous the same treatment or do something new With him

[@acidous]

@@makairidah8354 after release of TFA there weren't many voices that this movie is bad because it's a rehash of ANH. For most people, it was almost like a good thing, because it was familiar - plot was just one big fanservice for them. I know, because I was amongst very few that didn't really like it from the beginning and heard way to many excuses or straight up fanboism. Everything changed after TLJ, when almost everyone started to have problem with TFA. Not because they've finally opened their eyes, but because TLJ was just mocking them with it's "subversive" fanservice and disney attacked everyone that disliked the movie. If you want further proof, look at issue with palpatine clones - people are mad at disney for including that in rise of skywalker, but they were happy that this same bullshit was in the EU (or multiple clones of deathstar for that reason, just to mention original Eclipse Super star destroyer). And the same happend with KOTOR - it WAS just rehash of original trilogy with little subversion here and there (HK being copy of 3PO, but he can kick ass, or rehash of cloud city scene - Malak revveals that we're the sith in the same manner that vader revealed he is Lukes father). But people like it more than way more nuanced KOTOR2, that instead of blowing up another superweapon possessed by the half-mechanical sith, decided to ask if Revan really was a bad guy, what's the nature of the force or how jedi banished our protagonist and later on tried to kill him (een when we follow light side) not because he was bad, but because they were affraid of his power. And why they liked KOTOR1 more? Because it was more fan-service'y, more fammiliar. and that brings me back to the TWC, which was unbearable for me. Way to many fanservice, way too much kid-focused and just ugly to look at (I'm not a fan of 3d animation, it always feel cheap to me). We are shitting on bringing back palpatine without explanation, but bringing back maul is totally fine, "because they're expanding his story" or excuses like that. And why is that? Because he's familliar and people like cheap fanservice, not because they care if the story is coherent or not. If they wanted to explore him, they could, I dont know, do a flashback episode about his bacstory? But that wouldnt allow to make another fanservice'y fight against obi wan, so yeah. Sorry for this little rant but videos like that reminds me why we cant have nice stories in SW. Because people would nitpick on show with 3-mins episodes and ignore lot bigger issues in seven seasons long full fledged series. I'm not saying that you're one of those people, it just happend that your comment provoked me to express myself lol

[@makairidah8354]

@@acidous is ok buddy Personally i havent seen the same problems as the ones you had seen and actually seen some of the opposite problems in my end.but hey agree to disagree

[@orangexlightning]

I see the thumbnail and I instantly missed this Grevious.

[@gigivaldovinos8999]

Same.

[@ThreeProphets]

Finally, we get to talk about Legends! All I can really add here is to point out how consistent the characters are with their movie counterparts. Anakin is dark and brooding, his relationship with Padme is straining and stressful, Grevious is truly a Jedi killer worthy of assassination, and Sidious is constantly one step ahead of everyone at all times Ut seems in the new show, they tried to "fix" everything that people hated about the writing in the prequels, and in doing so, created a show that doesn't feel like it's actually set in the same universe. They've had eight seasons to explain all the little details in Revenge of the Sith, the perfect blueprint to expand upon in the form of 2d Clone Wars, and they've done literally everything but In the case of the new Grevious specifically, I think he suffered from a combination of the she range of the target audience being lowered, since everyone at the studio has convinced themselves that "cartoons are just for kids", a lack of a disposable cast as a result of more closely following a specific set of characters, and a laser focus on the line "General Grevious will run and hide, like he always does" while forgetting the line " Your lightsabers will make a fine addition to my collection", implying the things he does to Jedi before running and hiding

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

For your gripes on the writers, keep in mind that Lucas actually came up with most of this stuff- all the explanations and dissonance with the originals you have a problem with come from Lucas himself for the most part. The writers just helped him execute it. So don't give them too harsh of a rap, they did the best with what he gave them- but they were still Lucas's intentions and ideas a lot of the time.

[@paulj5336]

I loved the way it joins seamlessly to ROTS. It's up there with how Rogue One joins to ANH. I was so disappointed when Grievous turned out the way he did upon first watching ROTS. I grew to accept it. Even more disappointing though was the de-canonisation of the cartoon Clone Wars.

[@lordinquisitor6233]

I am so glad there is one place where grevious gets some love; I’ve always being a fan of grevious since revenge of the sith- I mean he’s basically the terminator in Star Wars. It’s why I got rather disappointed by his treatment in revenge of the sith and while he had a few highlights in the later clone wars, he was treated too much like a Saturday morning cartoon villain and felt sorta ignored. 2003 clone wars is how grevious should have being; a merciless killing machine that is actually threatening

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

Saturday morning villain was literally what Lucas told the writers he wanted Grievous to be, and that took them by surprise- they'd been planning a continuation of the badass 2003 version. So damn sad we didn't see that in 3D... But it was what Lucas saw Grievous as :/

[@carbongrit1211]

My favorite piece of Star Wars media. It feels like playing with action figures as a child imagining what Obi-wan was talking about when he spoke of the Clone Wars.

[@FunkMastaMegaFlex]

Amazing how an animated stylistic series is way better than the Disney trilogy will ever be.

[@majorearl12]

They totally need to use this as a reference to finish The Clone Wars. Make Grevious a real threat at the end. Killing several Jedi, overrunning the Republic's defenses and taking Palpatine, maybe even a slight conversation between Palps and Grevious, revealing Sidious to us, although we all know it. Dooku kneeling before Palpatine as he sits in the chair and enjoys the site of battle, much like how he does in Episode VI. Even if the battle of Coruscant is just an episode, or even half an episode will do, they should send that off with a bang, lead it up to Episode 3, plus some bits during it.

[@theimperialofficer604]

The 2003 Clone wars ending tied in well with the movies. It would of been great if it was uploaded to Disney+

[@gregoryb3793]

This is Darth Bullsith of the Galactic Notification Empire! All wings, report in! Bullsith, standing by!

[@thorskywalker]

Red Five standing by!

[@lancecurry7538]

Gold Nine standing by!

[@0predaking0]

Void 2, standing by!

[@eduardojavorski7628]

Lock S-foils in attack position!

[@0predaking0]

@@eduardojavorski7628 Roger Cap'n

[@crisisamonginfinitedarthsa4220]

Grievous then.... Jedi: It's an unstoppable monster! Grievous: Yes! Grievous now... Jedi: Is that Doctor Octopus with a respiratory problem? Grievous: No!

[@jirdan4870]

Then: God no. It's Grievous! Now: Thank God. It's just Grievous.

[@GrievousFrom]

...

[@truesouldatdude]

Very great show. Had the best version of Grievous👍👍👍

[@RyanTheDark]

Grievous should have had his 2003 fighting skills but should have had a mixture of 2003/2008 personality.

[@Alarcj7]

I agree!

[@lancecurry7538]

And he should've fought more Jedi than just Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[@RyanTheDark]

@@lancecurry7538 Or Ahsoka Tano.

[@alexanderwalldal515]

@@lancecurry7538 Grievous vs Windu would have been awesome.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

No. The 2003 personality was better. He was a coward, but in a subtle way. And he was also cunning and a legitimate threat thanks to his reliance on psychological warfare.

[@nathanbuttgame]

Never watched this version so I don't really know how to compare the versions. But I love Grievous in general. Lol general.

[@racoonlittle1679]

Just saying, your profile pic looks like Grievous a bit.

[@nathanbuttgame]

@@racoonlittle1679 it's the punisher skull but I see what you mean actually.

[@51dodoc]

You should watch it then, best version of Grievous ever portrayed on screen and since it was the first he is actually the OG Grievous.

[@nathanbuttgame]

@@51dodoc it's on Disney+ I think and someone shared their login with me so I could finish clone wars so I'll check it out then.

[@muwuny]

Zoomer

[@lucajohnson8318]

It really was a stellar series. I'd love to get even a 2 minute scene in one of the episodes. Keeping in mind canonically we haven't seen Grievous since season 5 in the Younglings arc (because they skipped Utapau) so it would be nice to get a goodbye to his character (and one for Dooku too).

[@HittingBandy]

I have only watched clips of this version of Grievous, but hearing that Anakin was basically knighted because of Grievous is downright amazing.

[@charlottebligh649]

Not a fan of the "just a cartoon" line, but I definitely appreciate the summary, for someone who only became a fan of SW after this show wrapped up

[@igodreamer7096]

Same. He almost say it : "for a kids show, this has true potential to be something better". Yea, because since it is a cartoon its a lesser media format.

[@GhostStealth590]

The full attack of corascaunt was unintentionally funny. The faces the character makes and the ridiculous things they do made me laugh so much. The moment when they both were flailing their lightsabers in the same motion while casually talking made me crack up.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Reasons why the 2003 Clone Wars was the best Clone Wars series: 1. It weaves better in with the movies. 2. Anakin feels like Anakin is supposed to be. 3. There's no inhibitor chip that makes the clones execute Order 66. 4. The CIS is a legitimate threat. 5. Anakin doesn't have an apprentice. 6. No rivalry between Grievous and Obi-Wan or Dooku and Anakin. 7. Anakin's character arc is smoother. 8. The action sequences are more creative and with more weight. 9. The storytelling is more subtle and in chronological order. 10. The Ghost Hand arc.

[@StarWarsJibaro]

Wholeheartedly agree!

[@MrDanjg4]

Facts

[@darthtroller]

I liked the inhibitor chip, it made the story more tragic

[@francescolombardi3438]

11. Grievous was a badass

[@awesomechainsaw]

Is there seriously still Asoka hate? I thought that died out.

[@daylightwall5300]

I grew up with 2008 clone wars as a kid, but one day I found this. Just how badass and professional the clone troopers were in just blew me away. Both series actually cemented my love for star wars and the clones in particular.

[@masterrserch3971]

The old, original clone wars was mostly action, and a lot of episodes barely had any dialogue. Some of the action was even superior, but the one thing for sure that was better in this original clone wars is exactly what you said-how it linked right into revenge of the sith and a wayyyyy better general grievous Oh and it has my man DURGE... the comics that had Durge in them, man, they are awesome. If you didn’t know he was such a bad ass in this clone wars series, you’d know it from these particular comics...

[@darkjediknight2923]

Yes indeed. Mistakes I think they made: 1. Grievous encountering Obi Wan nearly every time he engages in battle. "And I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that meddling Kenobi!" 2. Dooku meeting Anakin every other week, significantly reducing the impact of ROTS. 3. The Chip nonsense. This completely ruins the gravitas and brilliance as well as tragedy of Order 66 and the fall of the Jedi. It's a brilliant evil plan and legal executive order that makes it incredibly powerful in ROTS. The chip nonsense is unnecessary and does not conform to the movie canon. 4. Individualising TOO MANY clones. The clone troopers should only be as good as their commanders. They obey any order without question. They are shown to be Clone Stormtroopers once the "moral" Jedi are done away with. I can understand some Clone Commandos being grown and bred differently and a few ARCs like Rex. But the entire army in the show seems to be made of individuals with personalities and ideas who often disobey orders and are insubordinate. 5. THE CIS CONSTANTLY LOSING. The show makes it feel like the Republic didn't even need the Clone Army and the war could have been won 2 weeks after AOTC. The CIS should be a formidable organisation with massive public support thanks to impassioned speeches of Dooku and questions about corruption in the Republic. The Jedi should be struggling and taking loses, tragically being thrown onto the front lines by the Republic. Grievous should be besting some Jedi Masters to make him a threat. The CIS should be WINNING on merit through superior droid forces in some cases and better tactics to create a stalemate. 6. The show does not show us enough JEDI. This is the golden era of Jedi. We should be seeing LOTS of Jedi Masters like Master Di, Stass Allie, Shaak Ti, Adia Gallia, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu etc on the front line. Many of these Jedi should prove to be the shifting of the tide in battles whilst others should also tragically fall. 7. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. I think that I don't need to elaborate why. 8. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA. This is so important it deserves an additional bullet point. 9. Not enough young Jedi of Anakin's age to compare how he acts versus others when it comes to romance, attachment and dealing with difficult battle situations. 10. Not showing us Labrynth of Evil (a great book) as a feature length show. 11. Not showing more Clone Commandos because they look cool. 12. Going off on tangents. Absolutely zero need to make the show about Maul. Is Darth Maul a great character? HELL YES. But a show about Maul should be set BEFORE TPM. And not in the Clone Wars. So many episodes went off to cover the Nightsisters, or children being stolen by Sidious. But this show should be about THE WAR. Conflicts and machinations. 13. NOT ENOUGH AAYLA SECURA DAMMIT.

[@masterrserch3971]

@@darkjediknight2923 well, I was GONNA say "wow...I uh, got nothing... that was perfect..." But then I saw your MAUL bullet point, and I must disagree to an extent. While I do agree a pre ep1 Maul story(ies) would be great, I thought the controversial decision to bring him back worked well, and led to some of the great storylines and episodes in the show, and perhaps all of star wars... in fact, though I wasnt a super fan of REBELS, Maul's involvement in that series also led to some great story arcs... it really deepened his rivalry with Kenobi besides "you cut me in half, I want revenge" what with him killing his loved one right in front of him (her name is escaping me right now for some reason), it led to him taking over Mandalore, it led to the great apprentice story arc in Rebels, which also intertwined with one of the best, most emotional saber duels of Darth Vader vs Ashoka (still gives me "the feels" and I just watched it again yesterday in fact lol), and finally, though initially I was disappointed because it was so short, it ultimately led to one of the absolute best light saber "duels" in the ENTIRE universe, canon or non-canon, Maul vs Kenobi on Tattooine for the last time.... They took a one note character that just looked cool and did cool things in Ep1 and gave him such depth and character growth, that it ,,well, led to like I said, some of the absolute BEST stuff star wars had to offer... the emotion of kenobi holding maul after their quick battle, and the breakdowns of their quick fight (saber styles, same one used to kill Kenobi's master, after goading him in with Qui Gon's form 4, leading to the same move that killed him in Ep1), was star wars gold But yeah, other than that, u really NAILED it, hun... and FINALLY, a star wars fan that agrees with me about the clones... I barely care about ANY of them, even Rex... they're friggin clones, they're all the same, regardless, and especially this final season of the clone wars, using up 4 full episodes on one of their story arcs, it was a waste IMO.. Ur right, they should've used this little time they had in these last 12 episodes, to show more JEDI action, and eve flesh out Anakin's turn to the dark side even more!!!

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@masterrserch3971 "It's treason then." Firstly I thank you that everything else I said was viewed as perfect! As for Maul, don't get me wrong. I LIKE Maul a lot as a character. I wish we could see a movie/series about his character before his death in TPM. However I feel it detracts from the menacing Maul we saw in TPM and the loss of Qui Gon and skill of Obi Wan to simply have Maul live. I mean, at this rate, Dooku's head floats into a chute and is rejoined to some droid body and hey presto Dooku lives to fight in the "Rebels" show! I just feel that Maul shouldn't have been Maul. They had the ability to have other CIS heroes showcased. E.g. Durge. Or else they could have done something like this: 1. After TPM, Palpatine/Sidious has a problem. His trained apprentice Maul has been killed. An unforeseen complication. Sidious comes across the concept of cloning. He attempts to have Maul cloned which fails as it leads to an unstable warrior with no control. This clone is who we see in TCW and he gets killed as we see his crime syndicate faction is merely used by Sidious to show the Empire's success when the Empire cracks down on crime instantly unlike the corrupt Republic. I also wasn't really a fan of Rebels (where the Empire pretty much loses every week to this band of about 5 people.) The point is that it cheapens Maul to just have him live. And makes the lightsaber seem powerless. The entire point is if you cut someone in half, if you chop their head off - they're dead. This isn't a hand we are talking about - and in the hand case - we see Luke, Windu and Dooku all struggle with the loss of one hand. Cutting your body in half will kill you. Nothing can stop that. Anakin would have died in ROTS if he hadn't got immediate medical attention and even then he became "more machine now than man". Maul was cut in two AND fell down the infamous bottomless shaft. That is just death. At this rate, Dooku will turn up alive since the burning Invisible Hand somehow landed on Coruscant where some rubbish collector fused his head with a droid corpse leftover from the invasion! I do not doubt that the Mandalore takeover story was interesting - but could have been achieved by someone else in his place. Actually it would have been interesting if it was Dooku instead. Dooku has charisma in the movies and great arguments against corruption. And seeing an old man defeat a supposed Mandalorian warrior would have been interesting. I AGREE on the clones. I really don't understand why they focused on making the clones individuals - when they are meant to be virtual automatons. At least they should have given us independent ARCs and Commandos with grunt troopers in the background. And then focus on JEDI. They should have shown us hundreds of Jedi characters. So much potential wasted. MORE AAYLA SECURA.

[@masterrserch3971]

@@darkjediknight2923 good points, but agree to disagree I guess. Sure, they did what they did with Maul, but it wound up working if you suspended disbelief about being cut in half and how he survived. And they turned it/him into a great, fleshed out character. The proverbial "chicken salad from chicken shit"...

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@masterrserch3971 Trouble is it requires a lot of suspending disbelief about being cut in half. Because it creates a situation in which no one is ever vulnerable. I mean where do you stop? Cut in half, cut the head off? The lightsaber almost becomes meaningless. Even if Obi Wan impaled Maul through the heart, Maul lives. It's almost like Maul is a Terminator that cannot be killed. Maul is the Borg. I mean Maul is a fantastic character, but a show about him should kinda be BEFORE his death. Same way that I would hope that people would respect George's work and not have Palpatine be alive post ROTJ. Throwing anyone into a Death Star reactor is certain death. Especially when said Death Star also gets vaporised shortly after. But of course there are those who don't respect that vision. As I said, I do like Maul as a character. I loved the prequels. I also love democracy just like Palpatine! So agree to disagree. Just wish we had George's sequels as films. And more Aayla Secura dammit!

[@chucheeness7817]

Grievous' fight scenes were done with masterful directing with superb build up and suspense. It was done with as little dialogue as possible and is the epitome of "show, don't tell." It was built up as if Grievous' presence is near or even equal to the terror evoked by Vader. Tartakovsky's Samurai Jack style just perfectly fits here since Star Wars' inspiration was the Kurosawa films and it's great even after all this time.

[@AzureKnight2]

Two things. First: yay, Thor is talking about the Clone Wars micro-series; it's great! I love TCW, but it gets _way_ too much focus. Can we get more of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project now? (For those that don't know, this was all the comics, novels, video games, and the micro-series that told a cohesive and near-complete story of the Clone Wars era before the TCW retcons.) Maybe this will be a gateway to Thor finally giving some much-needed love to the Old EU. :) And second, it couldn't have been a Kyber Crystal, Thor. The term didn't exist until the TCW episode "A Test of Strength" in 2012 (being separate from the Kaiburr Crystal), several years after this episode was made. And even then they didn't behave like the Kyber crystals in the Disney Canon; they weren't power sources until Disney retconned how lightsabers functioned.

[@Vandicoup]

TCW deserves all the focus it can get right now. S7's not over yet. :D

[@AzureKnight2]

@@Vandicoup Oh, sure, I have no issue with people discussing TCW right now because of Season 7 airing. I just mean in general. In a lot of places, like here, if people weren't talking about the movies the were talking about TCW. Which is a shame, because there's _so much more out there_ when it comes to Star Wars.

[@Vandicoup]

@@AzureKnight2 Oh, I gotcha now. Thanks for specifying. To me, it's always been TCW & the movies--that's also what George has gone on to state himself and I'm with that 100% but I also agree that there's so much other cool stuff out there too such as CW, elements of the EU, comics, games, and more! :)

[@gator_teeth]

The reason Mace Windu doesn’t duel Grievous is because he has his own, quite powerful form of lightsaber combat. Grievous is constantly learning and replicates his enemies’ moves. Once Mace Windu begins to fight Grievous, he realizes that if Grievous could learn and replicate Windu’s form, he would become even more unstoppable.

[@StarWarsJibaro]

Thor, I've been meaning to ask you this since it's something that I have discussed before with some friends of mine. Do you find it sometimes jarring for Anakin's personality in The Clone Wars to be radically different for that in Attack of the Clones since that series starts after that movie? Also I still dont understand how Anakin could have had a padawan, since I never pictured him having one in Episode 3, since the council clearly didnt trust him and had little faith in him.

[@thorskywalker]

It is rather jarring the way Anakin is in the new (2008) Clone Wars. I find the Anakin from the 2003 series to be much more in line with the movie version. And it is a little odd that he had a padawan... even though, yes, I obviously do love the character of Ahsoka as well as the newer series.

[@bluehero-96]

Your distrust is not misplaced. Ahsoka's apprenticeship really does contradict Anakin's relationship with the council as well as the characteristics of all involved. As for his personality TCW is really a surface level whitewashing, or rather knightwashing, of Anakin's heroism to make him more of a normal hero and not the prelude to Darth Vader.

[@davantebarbain3216]

For me i feel like personally the micro series and the 2008 are sorta supposed to blend together like it goes volume 1 of the micro series then the 2008 is filler then volume 2 but because of the new season of the 2008 series muddles its continuity

[@darthtroller]

I grew over it

[@StarWarsJibaro]

Well it's comforting knowing I'm not the only one with this train of thought then. Thanks for the answer guys!

[@clivetrash9044]

Ah ahhhh, the Samurai Jack Star Wars.

[@sharp52092]

IMO this Clone Wars is superior to TCW. The villains are threatening, there are stakes, I feel. Also it actually shows important things like Anakin's knighthood and the Battle of Coruscant/Palpatine's abduction, not just filler like droid arcs. CW Anakin is also far more like Hayden's Anakin than Lantar's. He even sounds more like him.

[@Marlena_M]

Mat Lukas (CW Anakin) is spot on! And they were not afraid to make him more like movie Anakin while also make him a badass. Matt Lanter is really good, but he sounds much older than Anakin should sound.

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

2003 Grievous is my favorite Star Wars character. Yeah, I said it.

[@Gdach]

2003 clone wars is still one of my favorite star wars media. Everything is so over exaggerating, the choreography is amazing and massive battles really feel like half of the galaxy is fighting. It was what I was missing in disney star wars, just massive space battles, armies clashing. While I love Original trilogy I don't particulate like the setting, I'm a bit tired of underdog stories, where small resistance is engaging gorilla warfare and battles take on a lot smaller scale.

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

I agree with your synopsis wholeheartedly!!!It was the jump-scare horror element,that showed the Jedi as prey and not hunters,that made Grievous such a compelling antagonist..AND,the fact that he didn't talk at all (to the Jedi)when stalking them,made him more like Michael Myers!

[@alexanderwalldal515]

Too bad that Anakin and Grievous did not meet for the first time until Revenge of the sith, otherwise it would have been very interesting to see them clash blades at least once....oh well. If Grievous from 2008 and onward would have been as intimidating as the 2003 version then he easily would have gotten a B rating as a character.

[@trepathy1]

I had forgotten how great the original Clone Wars was. When it first aired I watched it w/my children who were then the same age I was growing up during the Empire/Jedi era. We were hyped! The Book was released a few weeks before the movie. My brother worked at a second hand CD shop & loaned us Revenge on audiobook. The week before the premiere we listened all the way up util the Fall of Anakin. We stopped the disk & returned it to my brother. We all hit the Midnight premiere a few days later. The timing was perfect. That is how you Hype a movie. It was great.

[@UnhingedChronicler]

I can’t believe he didn’t mention that badass captain Frodo scene where he holds the line on his own.

[@rcbmmines4579]

The 2003 Clone Wars and the other CW EU content really did do well in bridging the gap between AOTC and ROTS, developing all the characters really well especially Anakin. You actually see his transition from whiny rebellious padawan to war hero Jedi Knight and how his relationship changes with Obi-Wan. IMO the continuity there was better before TCW 2008 came in and messed it up a lot. Now it takes a lot of suspension of disbelief for why Ahsoka is never mentioned for example (because she didn't exist). How Anakin was knighted and matured really quickly after AOTC and had an apprentice for quite some time in between movies and not mention her after just sounds fishy as opposed to him maturing slower over time and earning Knighthood the hard way. But overall continuity was tight. Shaak Ti's deleted scene (which was non-canon even then) referenced her failure to save Palpatine here. The novelization mentions Jabiim and Aargonar (important battles for Anakin). Finally dialogue from on screen, in the still canon movie, references EU events in Boz Pity, Saleucami and Cato Neimodia. It was all connected really and the series' ending leads right into ROTS.

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

To be fair- most of the stuff you mentioned were all ideas George Lucas came up with. The writers of TCW 2008 just helped him execute it. George is still the main guy coming up with this stuff and adding it to the canon- all of the gripes you have mainly come from his choices. Keep that in mind.

[@rcbmmines4579]

Tom Geytenbeek not all. Keep in mind, George was already an older man who wanted to retire from Star Wars and focus on other things even before TCW. Not saying he wasn’t involved much but clearly Filoni had a hand in plenty decisions too. Also, keep in mind George also worked with Genndy on 2003 CW.

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

@@rcbmmines4579 True. But much of the overarching elements and defining details were his.

[@hugocastilla3102]

Is it possible to love both Clone Wars series? No? Okay...

[@Dass_Jennir]

Hugo Castilla I guess people tend to be so divisive because each series has elements the other one lacks, especially if you are a Grievous fan.

[@jbkhd1]

Yes but it requires some jedi mind tricks

[@isyldy09]

One thing I personally like to do, is watch this (cutting out after Annakin gets knighted) and start up the new series. After the new series is over, I pick this back up at the Dooku, Grievous training sequence.

[@Adam_X78]

Hello there

[@thorskywalker]

General Kenobi!

[@lancecurry7538]

You _are_ a bold one...

[@eduardojavorski7628]

(robotic laugh) Kill him.

[@hurfderfman5497]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. This cartoon was far better than anything Faloni or Disney has made.

[@ehellstrom7127]

I don't care what people say about 2003 Clone Wars, I consider it canon because it fits better with the movies than TCW.

[@Zoroark_Master]

The complete opposite It doesn’t fit the movie at all by being to unrealistic compare to the movie Something the 2008 series doesn’t and fit way more with the movie. (Not saying 2003 is bad, just that 2008 fit way more with the movie, being way more grounded)

[@librapan8]

‘Clone Wars’ is a true revamp of Star Wars! The world building in this ‘movie’ is so much more (coherent) than the sequels could ever be. Wonderful storytelling!

[@thurmanstevenson5692]

I’m still mad that anakin and darth maul still hasn’t fought yet how are you gonna bring him back and not have them go at it

[@spethmanjones2997]

I loved that show! Grievous actually scared me when I watched it was a kid, and those clones hunting him down were soooo badass!

[@ryaxc4681]

hello