General Grievous: The Perfect Evil Introduction (2003 Clone Wars)

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The 2003 Clone Wars was excellent. But more importantly, it Introduced the newest Evil villain to the dark side. General Grievous had one of the best evil introductions the series has ever seen. Back when General Grievous was a respectable evil villain... it was a better time...
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[@Scendence_]

I recently private this video after watching it again because I was embarrassed by the effort I put into it at the time... After coming back around to it I realized that I shouldn't try to hide it away, but rather leave it up to see where I started. So that I can come back to it every now and again to see if things actually got better or not. My reaction was legit even more cringe than the original video lmao.

[@HumanStyleBeing]

people need to see the message in this video. you are expressing typical thoughts of creative people. at least you are making videos. i haven't even made on yet !

[@wildfire9280]

Stand proud, Scendence. You are based.

[@edwardmoreno60]

Glad to see u unprivated and had the same first reaction to grievous

[@nicolasacosta1673]

Nothing cringe here. Awesome video thank you for sharing.

[@haku7335]

I love this vid

[@radiantduality8366]

"There is only one interpretation I can think of" *General Grievous being a beyblade.*

[@appletheking7340]

General grievous IS A BAYLADE

[@logandavis954]

😂😅😂

[@CheesyNoodle134]

Film theory my guys

[@CheesyNoodle134]

Hes a Belgrade with proof ...lmao

[@vaughnjohnson8767]

Let it RIPPPP!! GO GRIEVOUS! RUSH LAUCH

[@kamikage9420]

One of my favourite things about his fighting style in the original is how much he used his foot talons to grab everything, including the heads of his prey.

[@atownicpepperoni7217]

Yes, I only saw him do it once in the whole the clone wars serie

[@chewy99.]

Yeah I don’t really like that.

[@S6261]

It showed him not moving as an organic but as a machine or cyborg, which he technically is now

[@mr.spielefreak7075]

He doesnt even use his 4 arms in the first fight and just uses 2 arms against 5 jedi

[@VacantSpirit]

@@mr.spielefreak7075 his collection didn't have enough swords yet

[@arein423]

There is a reason why Grievous, in his old backstory, was regarded as a demi-god by his people even before his cyberfication. Good I wish that carried over to Clone Wars and then the new canon.

[@thegreatgamers9812]

Honestly, current cannon grievous is stronger than his 2008 portrayal while also being weaker than his 2003 self. They seemed to balance him between the two extremes in the canon books and comics.

[@thegreatgamers9812]

@Carson Lawler Ok, so Grievous has had some new canonical books and comics added to the StarWars universe; in those new books and comics, Grievous is stronger than he was portrayed in the clone wars Tv show, but he's also weaker than he was shown in the 2003 clone wars animation.

[@joker-0723]

@@thegreatgamers9812 how?

[@thegreatgamers9812]

@@joker-0723 he's faster; he's fought Mace Windu to a standstill and started copying his lightsaber style, and he's also killed a good variety of Jedi. Honestly, he really just looks weak in the 2008 series because he keeps fighting against high-ranking Jedi wrapped in plot armor. So yeah, his canonical skills are better than what we see in the clone wars series, but also worse than the Jedi killer we've seen in the 2003 animated series.

[@josephperez2004]

@@thegreatgamers9812 To be fair, a big part of Grievous is psychological warfare. He's not as powerful as a Jedi Master at their best, but that Master is only as powerful as their connection with the Force. Exhaustion, fear, uncertainty, distraction, all of these factors work to weaken how effective the Jedi is in combat. And it has a cascade effect. The more you keep an enemy off balance, the more desperate and unfocused they become. Heck with Shaak Ti, the Togruta he fought again on Coruscant, she is still terrified of him even though she's probably in much better shape than the their first meeting. That fear and the fact she needs to protect the Chancellor keeps her on the defensive, running away from Grievous rather than fighting him if she has any choice. The scene where Grievous is training with Dooku gives some weight to this, as the Sith points out how the key to victory against the Jedi is to break their focus.

[@treharper3072]

I don't know if anyone has pointed it out but the 2003 Grevious being so powerful and awesome also shows the power of Count Dooku. The idea that this walking killing machine was trained by and can not beat Count Dooku is evil.

[@IMPOTUSx2]

exactly! & the fact that darth sidious even acknowledges him & counts on him in that old version of the clone wars series shows how competent he was.

[@gideon1199]

Same with Mace Windu! Him force punching droids and force crushing Grevious was bad ass. Wish we saw it in the prequels.

[@blitzgirl6522]

Yep! Another thing that the CGI show really dropped the ball on was making Dooku a villain to be reckoned with as well. But he just twiddles his mustache from behind the scenes and is...boring. Doesn't even look like Christopher Lee.

[@fictiontheorizer3594]

Dooku was so much cooler before Revenge Of The Sith. A elegant and intimidating figure who went toe to toe with Yoda, and stood shoulder to shoulder with Sidious as a equal. Then came Revenge Of The Sith and The Clone Wars 2008 series. Why George? Just why?

[@treharper3072]

@@fictiontheorizer3594 Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. However, the animated show did let him shine a few times. His fast fight with Anakin and Obi Wan, the fight against Asajj Ventress and the two nightsisters, him using the force to make that guy kill the other with his gun, etc. I love the 2003 version but the Clone Wars version has some of my favorite Dooku moments.

[@marielb2924]

"I can't see anything" "That noise..." "He is coming...alone..." Fucking EPIC

[@cynthiagarza4494]

WE CAN'T FACE HIM

[@baz00katooth]

@@cynthiagarza4494 We must try, Shaggy!

[@cynthiagarza4494]

@@baz00katooth Jedi shaggy lol

[@zario4083]

@@cynthiagarza4494 his name is even Shagg’ Ai

[@cynthiagarza4494]

@@zario4083 fr I didn't know I thought it was just funny that he looked like shaggy man the creator of the mini series is a GOD

[@argiedude3762]

This series showed us things that the later series didn't: -Grevious was scary. -The scale of a planetary invasion. -ARC Troopers are badass. -Durge

[@nakkk1613]

Don’t forget fordo

[@theomnigamer9177]

Nakkk Fordo is best Trooper, and you can’t compare him to any other captains or Troopers. And thanks to Fordo’s great leadership skills, and his own skills, the first mission we see him on is a complete success.

[@vampirecount3880]

The scale of the battles were a whole order of magnetude we see in any star wars. You could see hundres of fighters coming out of a single aclamator frigate. You see massive troops fighting. It looks so right.

[@censored1080]

Honestly, Grevious was even better in season 3 when we got to know him better as a character and it's upon reflection/closer inspection that we see hints of the mustache twirling villain the Lucas had envisioned (settled upon) for this character. After all, his cape wouldn't have been tied to that transport had he not taken the time to gloat nor would Windu have crushed his lungs had he not tried to take one more trophy for his collection.

[@taqresu5865]

I still have a Durge Action Figure somewhere. The figure wasn't stylized like he was in 2003, but he was so cool because of 2003 Clone Wars.

[@UndeadHavoc1]

Crushed his lungs so bad, it gave him asthma and a Russian accent... goddamn

[@mr.spielefreak7075]

All because of mace windu

[@liar2k5]

lol

[@fives5555arc]

In Normal Galaxy: You take seat young Skywalker In Soviet galaxy: seat take young Skywalker

[@emperorsean1]

How did it give him a Russian accent it didn't sound remotely Russian.

[@biostar4]

You mean German accent?

[@berylredburrow__8810]

what I absolutely love about grievous here really is his style. his fighting is full of flourishing, flips and spins and all kinds of crazy moves. but examining it closer, none of it is done pointlessly. Greivious moves in an almost surgical fashion, every movement, no matter how extreme, is always purposeful. it really gives the sense that he's both incredibly skilled to pull these moves off, and incredibly intelligent to use them effectively. compare that to how grievous fights In ep3 and 08, where he's constantly spinning his blades for show.

[@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085]

As Grievous is not a force user it makes his abilities and his victories against force users all that much more impressive.

[@eshinnightrunner6290]

2D grievous, using acrobatics effectively and efficiently to fight multiple opponents in ways none can realy predict or even prepare for 3D grievous :lets try spinning, thats a good trick

[@ordgaming4189]

@@eshinnightrunner6290 I mean, you hit the nail on the head by accident, in live action vs an animation, you're severely limited. People would've just laughed at the bad CGI or even if it was good the amount they'd need would be excessive just for one scene. It's both a blessing and a curse, as some people utilize it very well, so much so that sometimes they show us stuff we really need to put a cap on. Just because something can be shown doesn't mean it should be, but heck that's a different conversation. TLDR in animation yeah they're able to do all sorts of stuff that wouldn't translate well into the movies.

[@francois9018]

From what I recall during original talks from legends grievous being not op during his last fight with kenobi. When mace window crushed his internal organs it basically royally screwed with his system, add the fact that since the beginning of episode 3 he was on the run and dogged all the way to utapau. Makes for a more believable excuse on why he was the way he was from 2003 clone wars to live action. Also lets be honest, ain't no way they could have made him move in cgi like in the show XD though damn that would have been sick. Meanwhile new clone wars grievous is a joke.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

He said it in this video and I’ve said it for years prior, grievous when shown in this series for the first time is a mix of a slasher in a horror movie and the shark in jaws. His theme music sounds like it too.

[@sadsworth4605]

This is a machine made for war that's why grevious is grevious

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

*Grievous

[@sadsworth4605]

@@MrWhatdafuBOOM *yourmom

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

@@sadsworth4605 *teachesbettercomebacksthanyours

[@sadsworth4605]

@@MrWhatdafuBOOM *doesntunderstandsarcasm

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

@@sadsworth4605 *becausetheydon'tknowthatsarcasmworksbetterspokenthanwritten

[@estebanbustamante2647]

When I think of General Grievous, I imagine 2003 General Grievous with DOOM music

[@naitsab_33]

R A S P U T I N

[@aleksander_poznanski]

Here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXKlZWadqJmBaZo

[@-NGC-6302-]

The best Grievous

[@Mr1337Kaiser]

THE ONLY THING THEY(JEDI) FEAR IS YOU(GRIEVOUS)

[@santiagopereira2653]

@@naitsab_33 you beated me to it buddy

[@MissNulle2000]

I definitely prefer the depiction of grevious as an unstoppable jedi killing monster over the mustache twirling bad man that always slips away.

[@jackalsmalls4995]

Thats how dave filoni intended greivous to be.

[@theinherit116]

I like both versions of grievous anyways

[@grimlord3181]

@@jackalsmalls4995 George Lucas really.

[@condedooku9750]

@@Kryptomi Well Grievous and in general the entire CIS faction is generally treated as a joke and they always represent almost all of its members as space Nazis, but other than that it's fine.

[@LordVader1094]

@@jackalsmalls4995 Yeah well Filoni/Lucas were very, very wrong.

[@alvarox951]

something i LOVE about the introduction in the grievous is that despite he was incredibly agile, grievous was not exactly light, on the contrary, he was incredibly HEAVY, heavy enough to kill anyone just by falling o top of them, it's a shame that after this short the rest of grievous appearance he was protrayed as the extremely nimble and light android, instead of this heavy android who has an incredible strenght in order to do move with such speed and agility dispite is heavy weight

[@pranavmishra7779]

in the comics grievous did get some good representation and in labyrinth of evil (a novel) too, let me list a few achievements he had from the COMICS 1 - its mentioned he killed over 100 jedi throughout two years of the war 2 - its SHOWN that he killed jedi master Soon Bayt's 3 - it is SHOWN that he killed jedi master Adi Gallia (an underrated and OP master who has the power to slow down time) 4 - it is SHOWN that he defeated Darth Maul in combat and forced him to retreat 5 - it is SHOWN that he defeated Obi Wan Kenobi on a snow world while being UNARMED himself without sabre's 6 - its shown that he KILLED Mother Talzin after she contended with Sidious himself and for GOOD this time UNLIKE the pathetic 2008 series

[@alvarox951]

@@pranavmishra7779 oh i get that he was an incredible tactician and combatant. I just don't like the fact that he lost the weight advantage.

[@pranavmishra7779]

@@alvarox951 theirs also a seperate comic adaptation of the 2003-2004 tv series one of those chapters includes a scene where grievous while relying on just 2 BLADES was able to defeat the combined team of DURGE & Ventress

[@alvarox951]

@@pranavmishra7779 I know man, still tho you are missing the point. It's not about who Faced, or who won againts, rhe coment is about how this was the only adaptation of grievus where he was heavy weighted.

[@pranavmishra7779]

@@alvarox951 by adaptation do you mean the only WATCHABLE tv show thus not a comic/novel?

[@jimmyboyle3543]

This scene straight HAUNTED me as a kid. Not sure how Revenge of the Sith ended up turning him into a meme but we live in a strange and unpredictable world.

[@Edible_edibility]

Hello there

[@kurtflakes22]

@@Edible_edibility general kenobi you are a bold one

[@sulwhale3171]

@@kurtflakes22 yes

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

It was pretty much just George Lucas retconning to fit the story he wanted to tell in ROTS.

[@RIPDixie1865]

The prequels are just one big meme, so it's no surprise.

[@walksaselk40]

Fun fact: when they wrote grievous for the live action movie, they intentionally made him seem less serious because they were afraid he would overshadow darth vader in the series

[@Fulcrox]

Yes, and Lucas ego was too much to accept that Tartakovsky Made a better work than him with the character, so he deleted 2003 Grievous from existance

[@LegoGamer5502]

One way they could’ve fixed this was to somehow write it into the script that once Anakin turned to the dark side, he would go against Grievous as part of killing the separatist leaders on Mustafar. And he would win. That would mean Obi-Wan would have to lose to Grievous though, or at least let him escape. Let’s say Obi-Wan let’s Grievous escape. Anakin returns, not to Mace Windu preparing to visit the chancellor, but he’s just chillin, and Anakin tells him Palpatine is a Sith Lord. Then the rest plays out basically the same. And once Vader is done at the Jedi Temple he goes to Mustafar and he fights Grievous and wins. I would also keep Grievous killing Shaak Ti on the Invisible Hand, which would take his line “I have something else planned for you” make more sense by taking her with him rather than just tying her up in electrical circuits. I didn’t realize I was going to make a whole scenario, but I did. If anyone has any thoughts that would be epic.

[@walksaselk40]

@@LegoGamer5502 That would've been badass

[@ThatOneFry2005]

Honestly, I would’ve wanted that Grievous so much more. He’s my favorite Villain, cause my dad showed me the good Grievous first with the 2003 series (I was born 2005 and we had the dvd’s). I remember seeing ROTS and crying because of how dirty they did my boy. I remember being terrified of him, but loving him all the same. Now he’s an asthmatic smoker in a spider mech. They ruined him. Thankfully, I don’t let the ‘memed’ Grievous get in the way of my love for this character, and with the help of my dad I’d making a 7’7 full body cosplay of General Grievous, and it should be finished, around my 17th birthday. (I’m 15 rn)

[@redactedoktor]

@@ThatOneFry2005 Ahhhh! That's such a wholesome story! You go my guy!

[@soopman117]

“His movement and agility are just incredible” Star Wars battlefront: I’m gonna stop you right there

[@sicksadworld765]

*C H O N K*

[@PatchDemosKurse]

Pandemic Battlefront 2: Sonic speed!!!!!!!!!

[@wizrdpnguin5778]

His jump is so bad

[@sicksadworld765]

@@wizrdpnguin5778 his jump is actually great for surprise attacks

[@wizrdpnguin5778]

@@sicksadworld765 I guess if you think about it like that it's good but I mainly play hero showdown so yeah

[@yanivproselkov4555]

Tartakovsky took the idea of the droids to the absolute limit with Grivous. Up till now we've had jedi duels as if they're sword fights. Grivous, beyond just the presence, fear, and his treatment as a general and warrior (and thus respect we feel towards him), dials the axes of articulation to 11. In every respect, a Jedi is limited where he is not. He can wield as many lightsabers as he wants, use any limb he wants, move in any direction he wants, walk on any surface he wants. It is a Queen chess piece against a collection of Pawns, and Tartakovsky makes us feel completely and utterly overwhelmed with his direction and design. And damn do you know how many knives I picked up with my feet cus of this scene? It was not zero.

[@Munnwort]

“A queen chess piece against a collection of pawns” that’s a great analogy.

[@mardus_ee]

Grievous was not a droid, but a cyborg, because his organic internals were decimated, and then replaced piece-by-piece with cybernetic components.

[@etlttc353]

2003 grievous is canon to me and you can't make me believe otherwise

[@darthbronchitis3802]

That's actually technically true. His introduction was referenced in a Rogue One tie-in novel, and his exploits during the Battle of Coruscant were recently referenced by TCW Season 7, as well as a few reference books.

[@7Valerijohnson7]

But... he is.

[@RbkARI]

Well Legends and Disney's Canon are both two separate canons. So 2003 Grievous is canon, but to the Legends continuity.

[@LucyWest370]

I’m pretty sure that the battle of hypori is part of actual canon

[@michelehastings3870]

Yes

[@internetfriend6701]

I remember reading that, canonically, Greivous could take a starfighter cannon to the chest. 2003 Grievous is the only accurate representation of this badass.

[@starlitstreet]

what does it say about mace windu that he could crush him then

[@Ziyoblader]

@@starlitstreet I don't know the force works in mysterious ways that even your traditional military power has yet to achieve

[@Ziyoblader]

@@starlitstreet also I thought Jedi normally would not use that kind of technique to crush someone's organs or neck that's usually done by The sith but what I've heard from the Star wars community is that Mace windu might be a mixture

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@Ziyoblader Even if the average Jedi were to get pissed off and use Force crush on Grievous, it wouldn't work. They simply wouldn't have enough power. Then again, Windu is by no means average.

[@Jaerek]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 Windu was also out of Grievous's range AND adept at using dark side techniques like that Force crushing without actually falling into the dark side. The high ground really worked against Grievous's favor there.

[@rturae]

I also want to mention I think Ki Adi Mundi frantically telling the clones to shoot him down and to pursue Grevious really cements the horror he just witnessed. You can feel the terror in Mundi's voice

[@erin8050]

And that the only thing, the only fucking thing, that made him reconsider going after Grevious was that there were survivors who would definately die if they did not leave then. We can not wait five minutes, we can not wait five seconds, we have to leave *now* or your friends *will* die here.

[@arno7163]

@@erin8050 And since Grevious already killed some members of that arc trooper unit, if the didn't leave they'll all die. And it doesn't help his army is closing in as well

[@bootybreakeronlyformen]

Not very jedi like Mr mundi..

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

@@bootybreakeronlyformen Bet he'd say something like "Well, we Jedi aren't encouraged to neglect our feelings

[@sharkt9877]

He realized that if they didn’t do something that grievous could change the tide of the war forever. And not in their favor

[@jusman43]

I absolutely love Tartakovsky’s work especially samurai jack. His use of suspense is unrivaled in animation like the scene in samurai jack where a group of bounty hunters are getting ready to jump jack just to get defeated in the time of a single drop of water. Reminds me of Sergio Leon’s use of drawn out scenes in the spaghetti westerns

[@VacuousCat]

IIRC in interviews he did mention how he learnt from western films.

[@jaredhamilton425]

Don’t forget how the silence in Samurai Jack really adds to surprise and suspense depending on the situation. Examples being the Minions of Set, Jack is wandering past an ancient Egyptian tomb when he finds the minions tomb opened, Jack has less than 5 seconds of shock before getting beaten half to death and the silence continues as he does everything he can just to survive.

[@blazcol_5046]

The clone wars grievous: loses to gungans Clone wars grievous: one shots shaggy, making him the strongest character in existence

[@elvenbuttress]

Shaggy didn’t die, he was forced to use 2% of his power to escape.

[@Synthesyn342]

Stolen comment

[@אביבעזר]

Notice how there's no body. The weather was getting too hot for shaggy so he jumped to another planet. Grievous immediately seized the opportunity to attack the remaining jedi.

[@blazcol_5046]

@@אביבעזר that's my point, he killed shaggy so hard he got deleted from existence

[@blazcol_5046]

@@Synthesyn342 where was it stolen from, hm?

[@michaelchesnut865]

Throughout the Tardakovsky series, the clone commandos are built up as this unstoppable force. But upon encountering Grievous, their reaction is to literally FREEZE. That tells you everything you need to know about him.

[@antonhallergren588]

Those are not commandos they are even better they are arc troopers under tha command of captain fordo who togheter with alpha 17 are probably the closest clones in terms of skill to that of jango fett if not even surperior... alpha 17 alone was more effective in battle than many jedi even.

[@astro6009]

@@antonhallergren588 ARC stands for Advance Recon Commando, so they are technically commandos, just not Republic Commandos.

[@FSM1138]

@@antonhallergren588 arc being better than commandos is bs

[@antonhallergren588]

@@FSM1138 no Astro600 is correct here. Arc troopers are very advanced commandos and more like jango than any other clones hence more effective at solving problems and finishing missions with vauge parameters But a goal. Republic commandos were covert ops more or less While arcs acted more like jedi generals in battle. They were only really bested by very skilled jedi as leaders other than that they were the best the republic had to offer.

[@nicholasszabo5954]

@@FSM1138 I would say they are. ARC troopers were bred to be one man armies. TCW tv series kinda dulled it down but if you look at legends with Captain Fordo and Alpha-17 they were utter badasses. Clone Commandos were awesome as well don't get me wrong. But in Republic Commando we saw that they were not much more effective than a regular clone on a battlefield. They are more proficient at stealth, recon, sabotage and rescue operations. Plus they were meant to work in 4-man squads. Not diminishing how cool the commandos are but the ARC Troopers take the cake on tactics, large scale warfare and strategy.

[@warr_toast1139]

I think why 2003 Grievous completely obliterates 2008 Greivous, is that he was mysterious, quiet, focused, and a great tactician. He was one of the most dangerous characters in star wars legends, the first moment we see him,he unleashes his full ferocity when his cybernetics sharpen and unveil. He was very unpredictable, unorthodox and tenacious.

[@natek4488]

And the scary thing is that the Tartakovsky microseries spent all it's time before Grievous appears just how powerful a single jedi is. One can take on an entire army of droids and even massive doomsday ships. But Grievous can easily take on an entire platoon of jedi and even successfully kill several of them and walk away to tell the tale.

[@TheOriginalPoon]

The funny thing is that TCW didn’t ruin Grievous, Revenge of the Sith did. I can absolutely see ROTS Grievous being the same exact character in TCW. He’s overconfident, a bit of a joke, dangerous but easily defeated if you just keep your cool. This is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like GTs version, which makes no sense considering that series was made specifically as a marketing ploy for ROTS. TCW began 5 years after the film released. The closest Grievous got to this version of the character was the one where Kit Fisto and his padawan were trapped in his lair. Even in his first one on one with Ahsoka he was relatively terrifying. He still was a threat to any non named Jedi, but he was just a victim of plot armor. It also doesn’t make sense that he got his chest crushed right before ROTS, considering that the damage made it seem like he was severely wounded and needed at least a new set of lungs to be able to breathe.

[@horse99]

1:9 smart , he got high ground Nice tactician

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

@@TheOriginalPoon Absolute TCW apologism. SW:CW explains why he has the cough and is cagier, TCW gives it to him from the beginning and had Ahsoka cut off one of his hands in his first appearance, then didn't give him a clean W outside of the comics. He's a dynamic character with a backstory and development in Legends and a static stock villain in TCW.

[@ciranopunalesvigliarolo3788]

@@natek4488 lol no, he didn't walk away, the jedi did

[@Elthenar]

This show is a forgotten gem. So few people talk about it these days but it was so awesome. The scene where Grievous is chasing after Palpatine and some Jedi and Clones are trying to make an escape can't be forgotten either. Hell, the Clones from that show were damned epic too.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

This show was so vital to all the stuff the new/fake Star Wars rips off lol

[@tabletopstudios66]

Yeah, this is easily my favorite TV show.

[@RecapRico]

I loved this TV show and it was literally 5 minutes long😅😅 complete awesomeness as a kid

[@_V.Va_]

Biggest fucking lie I've ever heard. People talk about this all the time.

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

Imagine seeing this Grievous in a live action horror movie where every kill he takes is surprising and the movie ends with all main characters being found dead by ARC troopers who then gtfo as soon as the leader makes the connection to the killer being the infamous cyborg.

[@PeanutTechno]

This is the sort of thing we should get, a live action horror star wars from the POV of his enemies, as he slices them all down, and it ends with him typing up a report going into detail and how it was from his perspective.

[@apocro.]

Kind of reminds me of the predator

[@cybernubmaster988]

@@PeanutTechno This. Please

[@sup4923]

Yus

[@adriansimonsen6533]

2008 Clone Wars Grievous: Gets overwhelmed by literal frogs with sticks and bubble EMPs. 2003 Clone Wars Grievous: Easily kills 3 Jedi, critically injures 3, and only retreats when the most badass Clone ARC troopers arrive. *IN HIS FIRST SCENE*

[@kiyo1396]

"kills 4 jedi" *Laughs in K'kruhk*

[@d.olivergutierrez8690]

Thats still more that 2008 grievous in 6 seasons

[@adriansimonsen6533]

@@d.olivergutierrez8690 Of course not counting the 2 that he kills later on

[@jarlvincentpineda4622]

Actually he critically injures 3 and only kills 3. K'kruhk was really hurt badly, everyone thought he was dead. K'kruhk even outlive Luke.

[@Parmesan.Without.Spaghetti]

He even striked some clones tho

[@carbonmosa8641]

Let’s not forget how he was legitimately smart and played his hand perfectly in every fight. The scene when he’s fighting off two Jedi and they are barely able to keep, then his arms split in half and he draws his second pair of sabers will forever be engrained in my mind as one of the most terrifying yet badass scenes in media

[@grandmofftarkin6961]

The fact that they just kept that secret up until that moment... Perfection.

[@andrewrodgers8596]

I remember pretending to reenact that scene with my friends as a kid, that was always my favorite ever SW scene

[@MaskFky]

When he did that they knew they are dead

[@Stormfin]

We like to call that a trump card.

[@GuardianOwl]

I interpret the arm splitting scene scene slightly differently. General Grevious is locked in the vault with 2 Jedi, it is a confined space with not much maneuverability for a person of his size. It's the whole reason they are just standing in one place trading lightsaber blows after the doors close. Space is what Grevious needs to thrive in combat as agility is one of his greatest strength. The situation is more dire for Grevious than it would first appear based on his performance so far. If the Jedi grow bold and coordinate to attack him from opposite sides, or start using Force powers, he risks being beaten as he has little room to dodge. For his safety, Grevious needs to ends the fight quickly, and so reveals the existence of 2 other arms to break their spirits. For example, that moment when they are both blocking his sabers and they are all paused, one of them could have done a Force Push with their free hand to propel him into the wall, but they were so scared by the 4 arms that's all they could focus on, not thinking of ways to win the fight, but just "I'm dead, I'm dead, I'm dead..." You can see it in both their eyes just before they are both slain. If they had kept their cool when the arms split like Windu and tried ranged Force Powers before he fully armed himself, they may of had a chance. Or heck, pull one of the lightsabers from his belt and start dual wielding like him now that you're fighting in close quarter where he can't move around.

[@Deimos_PeanutFlavour]

Can we just appreciate how Clone Wars 2003 still looks modern even after a decade of it first premiering?

[@chazzerine7650]

I think you’ll find it’s been two decades, not one.

[@afriendlycampfire260]

​@@chazzerine7650👦👨🧔👴💀

[@viniciusgama4796]

​@@chazzerine7650this is getting out of hand. Now there's two of them!

[@scharb]

Maybe Windu crushing Grievius’s lungs didn’t just give him a cough and a Russian accent, but also anoxic brain damage

[@thegrandpowerchannel314]

Well, this explains a lot

[@akaihana730]

And greatly weekend him

[@censored1080]

Actually, upon reflection and closer inspection I believe we do see traces of Lucas' mustache twirling villain in the micro series. After all, what other reason does he have to engage Windu than to add another trophy to his collection. I mean, he already has Palpatine and we do see that his ship is too fast for Windu to stop.

[@robertparker6280]

That's a great theroy and it makes sense

[@shrederman9838]

Russian??! What are you smoking

[@StopMoshin]

Gendy Tartatovsky spoiled me for action and horror in one scene. My friends are kinda sick of me worshiping the ground he walks on but the dude is a master of the medium.

[@spaccorn]

I agree, and his ability to tell stories in silence is above almost anyone else I can think of. I wish the directors and writers of The Mandalorian would watch his stuff.

[@johanninferus4845]

@@spaccorn the "don't tell: show" is so strong on him that his last series doesn't even have dialoges

[@Jonathan-fb1kj]

@@johanninferus4845 Primal is cool as shit, the zombie episode was absolutely terrifying and sickening in an amazing way.

[@neroledoot20]

2003 Grievous Also known as "Entering A Boss Area where the Boss is Several Times Your Level."

[@matthewreyes5377]

Grievous is literally a Dark Souls boss

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@matthewreyes5377 Some real Knight Artorias vibes. That all with being corrupted by evil and spamming flips.

[@sigma9904]

*"It is recommended to upgrade the Jackdaw before starting this mission."*

[@giyuthebutterflyboi9154]

@@sigma9904*Desynchronised*

[@jackdamascus4506]

And his name makes you shit yourself “General Grevious, Slaughterer of the Order

[@mrlove868]

5:16 the longer scene when Grevious does the lightsaber spin on all Jedis, the reason he did that was to take his time to see who is the strongest of them all and we can see who is the strongest when he spin towards that that person

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

I think Grievous made Ki Adi his main target way before then. There's a reason he waited so long after crushing Sha'agi before jumping away. He wanted to know who's the new leader after he killed master Barrek. And confirmed it when Ki Adi covered the rest of the group and said: "Get back!".

[@kunknown2340]

​@ForsakenDreamer7 is his name actually sha'agi? 😂

[@Psychosomatic63]

@@kunknown2340 yes lol, yes it is

[@megasean3000]

“If you are to succeed in battle against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise and intimidation on your side.” Now the poor bastard has none.

[@SwervoWitz]

That’s sequence with Dooku is great👌

[@MarkusAldawn]

That's actually a good idea for what went wrong- as time went on and Jedi survived contact with him (due to Palpatine wanting to spread the word, and his effectiveness being hamstrung, again by Palpatine's machinations), he became less shocking. He wasn't the flash of white across the background in a holo message, he was an open threat. His cybernetic augments allowed him to learn and predict a Jedi's battle style as they fought him, but by the same token, the Jedi learned what he was like, how he acted, and how to manufacture scenarios that remove his advantages. For example, Kenobi's famous 'hello there' would have failed, had the Jedi not known that Grevious prefers to take down Jedi opponents personally. We also know that Grevious had trouble dealing with form masters- he couldn't beat Dooku, no matter how hard he tried, and Kenobi was a master of the defensive form (I want to say Form III, but I could be wrong). Windu gets a good force crush in on Grevious' chest. If we're counting CW, which I generally do, but I understand the argument for not doing regarding Grevious, then Kit Fisto beats him very early on, due to his mastery of Form I. When Jedi fully master a Form, as more and more of them did (because of the war, and because General Grevious was killing the ones who didn't), they not just incorporate the force into their technique, they incorporate a philosophy of the force into their technique. For Kenobi, it's wait wait wait strike. For Fisto, it was be as churning water, chaotic and unpredictable. For Windu, it was speed, power, precision. Presumably, Dooku would have been something similar to Kenobi and Windu- a solid, disciplined defense, a knack for multitasking, and an awareness of weakness. It's possible to see where prediction would fail against a blank wall of defense- the first strike is the last strike, so how can you predict when and where it will fall?* It failed against Fisto's unpredictability. It failed against Dooku's measured exactness, where there really isn't any place to gather data about weakness. *Yes I know he killed him with a blaster, but at the same time, if the blaster hadn't been there, he would have just done the next thing, and the next thing, until he _did_ find a way to kill Grevious.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@MarkusAldawn The problem is that it's not what went wrong. In Legends Grievous had no problem killing Jedi even as the war progressed and couldn't be taken down by anyone less than Yoda, Windu or Kenobi. In Canon he has suffered humiliating defeats at the hands of opponents way below master level even early in the war, but later we see him actually besting Obi Wan on occasions and easily going toe to toe with Maul. So "He became too known" is not the explanation.

[@НифЛим]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 he cant manage even Ashoka...

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@НифЛим Ahsoka ran away from Grievous in both their fights and was clearly hopelessly outmatched, even though he was just toying with her. Ofcourse she won't die, her plot armour is almost as thick as Rey's.

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

They did Grievous so dirty when they retconned so much about him. He's supposed to be a massive coward but he's feared by everyone. He has so many lightsabers from slain jedi yet it's shown he'll retreat when given the chance if there's the slightest hint of failure. Real Grievous was supposed to be the original Darth Vader. He was a mass murderer specializing in the slaying of jedi. He was right up there with Vader in terms of his jedi slaying prowess and how many he killed. He was a master swordsman. Where Dooku was the political figurehead, Grievous was the face of the CIS and the face of fear. And they ruined him.

[@Mr_Chaotic_Neutral]

Im just gonna headcannon that the running away at the slightest hint of failure came as a new sense of caution after he got his lungs deleted and obtained a russian accent

[@pandinus1377]

The interesting guy with potential gets his great backstory retconned and gets absolutely butchered. While maul who had nothing going for him gets resurrected and reworked into a better character with constant appearances I think Filoni just hates grievous for no reason

[@Anzyn]

@@pandinus1377 Nah it was because of George Lucas actually

[@pandinus1377]

@@Anzyn Lucas fucking butchered him in the movie but filoni usually takes the movie chars and tries to improve them or make them more interisting, like i just said with maul, or asajj or any of the clones or anakin. Instead for grievous he just kept him as is and maybe even worse

[@altejoh]

Iirc, one of the interviews about the retcons went something along the lines of "we already have vader as the biggest badass in the galaxy, we don't need another character trying to be that role"

[@Sejona]

People tend to forget Durge too. The first time one being wasn't affected by being impaled on a lightsaber. People shook in fear, this series was absolutely awesome.

[@bouncin2207]

Everyone was on point in this series.

[@elvenhair3]

This is lore ACCURATE Grievous. The same Grievous that nearly hunted a more advanced species to extinction (Hurk, I believe they were called) because they invaded his homeworld. And that was BEFORE the metal body and Jedi training. The Kaleesh are badasses that we never really saw and that is a damn shame.

[@boringname123]

You're also talking about a mini series where Mace Windu solos an entire army of super battle droids, most of the time not using his lightsaber. He then proceeds to easily body a giant floating fortress that causes massive earthquakes.

[@Vinzwien]

Yeah he just force punched them to pieces and uses the nuts and bolts from one as amunition for a, I call it, force shotgun.

[@177SCmaro]

Mace was said to be the most powerful jedi second only to Yoda and likely eventually Anakin had he remained a Jedi. I think what he did was what happens when an massively powerful and skilled force using warrior cuts loose. I could just as easily see Yoda, the Emperor, or an older Anakin or Luke doing the same thing in his place, take apart an entire droid army by themselves.

[@LordNexusTheFir]

@@177SCmaro when they say Mace is 2nd to Yoda its harder to belive than God's existence. Yoda couldn't beat Dooku who finessed Obi-Wan & Anakin (basically killed them both being realistic) or Palpatine 2 people he has 800+ years of training on! Mace has shown more feats, skill & power without exerting as much effort than Yoda. Looking at the facts Mace is better than Yoda with Obi-Wan coming 3rd cause he thinks alot on how fights could go like with Maul killing Qui-Gon & in the rematch 3 step goodbyes Maul & being a defensive master (🤣 bullshit he almost always gets fucked up lol) Without Anakins interference Mace beats every villain & Anakins bitch ass in the series except Dooku idk who would win that but considering Dookus age Mace might win.

[@177SCmaro]

@@LordNexusTheFir I'm not saying that, I think George Lucas said that. I'm just conveying it. And I never said there wasn't inconsistencies in Star Wars to that end. It's also possible that Mace is less powerful in the Force then Yoda, but still a superior warrior. Yoda was less a warrior and more a teacher and he was only a couple decades away from dying from old age when he fought Dooku, remember.

[@rahn45]

Well I suppose one can go with "From a certain point of view, Yoda is the most powerful in the force; but Mace Windu is the most deadly in the use of the force." It could be argued perhaps that most Jedi are held back by sentiment, and lack the strength of conviction needed to execute an impressive offense; which is probably why Mace Windu stands out so much. Where as the Jedi on a whole seem to go with defensive measures, Mace has no qualms of striking quickly and ruthlessly. Which brings us back to sentiment: If Yoda had Mace's personality and they had a fight I think most people would probably agree that Yoda would win, but since Yoda is... well Yoda, I think people would then give the fight to Mace. Such is the problem when one goes with tactics to stop the other with minimal harm done, and the other goes with tactics to destroy.

[@jackmack4181]

Fun fact: the Jedi closest to the camera is called “Shaagi” a reference to scooby doo.

[@danielarputharaj9918]

I was thinking, "why is shaggy holding a lightsaber" so this makes sense i guess

[@katieg1071]

I KNEW IT. I knew he looked like Shaggy on purpose. Oh my god, that's amazing.

[@lancetheking7524]

Gosh damnit the original shaggy meme is literally in star wars

[@chillguy7687]

Damn, 03 Grievous really was op. He even killed Shaggy.

[@duanenelson5804]

I knew he looked like shaggy

[@oldgamesinvestigator7852]

The idea of General Grievous as a weapon against the Jedi was brilliant on the part of the Sith. What better way to take down a Jedi than by making a warrior who breaks every rule in the book?

[@brandonr3072]

Not to mention the ease of controlling him through his cybernetic enhancements.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@brandonr3072 They can't do that though.

[@brandonr3072]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 you don't know much about the sith when it comes to star wars lore do you?

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@brandonr3072 And you don't know much about Grievous, do you? None of his cybernetic enhancements include any control devices. If that was the case, Dooku wouldn't have to worry about his loyalty or what would happen if they were to fight. Neither would Sidious have to warn Tyranus to be careful around Grievous or think that he'll have to kill him personally if Obi Wan dies on Utapau.

[@brandonr3072]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 ........ where does he receive spare parts when his originals get damaged? Who handles the operations to switch those parts out? Who funds his upgrades? Control means more than just a microchip in the back of the brain or a kill switch primed to be used at any given time..........

[@AGuyWithOneWing]

The thing that gets me most about '08 Grievous is that we have so many various scenes of him being taken down like a legless dog, and yet he still manages to make so many escapes that it's honestly a wonder how he even lived up until RotS. I mean, the GUNGANS of all people literally CRUCIFIED him on the ground. You don't get any more disgraced than that. At this point, you could call the Gungans slave traders, because they owned Grievous.

[@wildfire9280]

Bars

[@platyplushie]

the fact that he killed a jedi within seconds of being shown really was a great decision in my opinion, cause it really gave us an idea of what kind of a character grievous was

[@ranko8642]

2003 grievous is beautiful. he ran down an elevator. you don't run down an elevator. 2013 greivous, ah, i collect lightsaber and get punked by kids wah

[@codename1176]

Second favorite clone moment in the elevator very calmly loads the rocket launcher

[@tfwnoyandere]

2008 cartoon is garbage

[@Greggery]

I think the most poetic thing was how similar this Grievous was to the introduction of Darth Vader as an unstoppable force. Just like when you only hear the breath of Vader "hooper hooper", Grievous' mechanical parts creaking in the shadows give you that "he's coming for me" feel which the Clone Wars series missed out on. Grievous was always meant to be the proto-Darth Vader, more machine than man and fearless in his pursuit of killing anyone in his way. Sad he became a joke in the 3-D version.

[@Fulcrox]

Yup, we can thank George Lucas ego for that one

[@asurasyn]

Darth Vader : "Do not be too proud of this technological terror you've created here. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." Grevious: "Well, you say that..."

[@The_Meev]

The 3D Clone Wars didn't make him into a joke, that's just what Grievous is like in Revenge of the Sith. The reason he's super badass in the 2003 Clone Wars was because Revenge of the Sith was still being written, so his personality hadn't been decided on when they showed him to Tartokovski and his team.

[@fictiontheorizer3594]

He didn't want a repeat. And he wound up turning a potentially badass villain into a joke. Same as with Boba Fett. How's that for a joke?

[@aron1089]

I love his design it fits in the dark so horribly which is the point. He’s confident that he doesn’t have to blend in with his surroundings which works because he was able to defeat all the jedi while they were in the dark and him being the brightest thing besides the lightsabers

[@simonlukasbucek6563]

The first time you see grievous, he completely destroys shaggy, the most powerfull being in the universe. *NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL POWER*

[@GalaxyDogenut]

And Shaggy used 50% of his power to shield himself from Grievous’ attack, but it didn’t work.

[@jeanmarc6517]

@@GalaxyDogenut Actually, Shaggy didnt die, he had to use his power of teleportation to get away. But the attempt on his life has left him scarred and deformed...

[@GalaxyDogenut]

@@jeanmarc6517 then he killed Palpatine and used his power to transform into a clone of Palpatine. Later, he ruled the galaxy, with Darth Vader at his side.

[@MadSkull]

Like...zoink... Scoob

[@generalgrievous8017]

@@GalaxyDogenut that’s cannon now

[@fivenightsatmimikus7508]

Greivous just pops out of no where and starts killing jedi like a horror movie character and is only warded off by the fire power of a republic gun ship. BOI

[@GlobalOutcast]

You look tired jedi...you wont be needing this, I got something elss for you

[@bazbuco]

I really respect that Genndy went to such lengths to fulfill on the precepts and values of what defines a ‘Sith’ for General Grevious. Dooku, when training Grevious: “Remember what I taught you, General. If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. But if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them.” even his commentary on the training choreography is a reflection of those values: “How often must I tell you? Control my center line” and “destroy my focus”

[@Sorain1]

The big one for me was 'Use the unconventional.' because Jedi train to fight defacto human enemies saber to saber.

[@ambassadorgaming8411]

It’s like they took a killer cyborg, gave him hardcore drugs for three days straight, and then gave him some Yoda movement shit, and this was the result.

[@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154]

And added a cape

[@veeaiden9244]

And a Russian accent

[@brbupdatingtheautopsyrepor8955]

That’s grievous’s training dummy

[@GhaniKeSawah]

and the power of spinjutsu

[@ambassadorgaming8411]

@@GhaniKeSawah Ah yes, a man of culture

[@rar8532]

If those clones didn't show up, all the Jedi would've been Killed by The General

[@historicflame972]

Though we all know Shaak Ti would just respawn

[@jaset344]

Then Ki Adi Mundi wouldn’t have mentioned the wookies and yoda wouldn’t have left and palpatine would have never won 😂

[@sullen3584]

@@historicflame972 🗿

[@derekhofstetler3998]

Clone: That's why I'm here.

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@jaset344 palpatine defeated yoda

[@Raghetiel]

And the faceplate! No expression, not even a blink! He's murdering several jedi masters like a machine cuts a tree. And the moment when he's illuminated by Laat, staring into multiple heavy cannons and missile launchers...no fear. He looks at the freaking gunship, as at his new opponent, calmly preparing for the battle. Relentless. Merciless. Unstoppable. Perfect murder machine. Face of the droid army.

[@potatoboi5769]

I feel that general grevious is still a very capable warrior in Revenge of The Sith, in his first "fight" with anikin and obi won he sees this as a tactical disadvantage, being surrounded in close quarters by two of the strongest Jedi on the council without any backup. The fact that he worms his way out of it unscathed is impressive on its own. Even in his duel with obi won he was going toe to toe with the master of defence, while not even being force sensetive. You have to realize that he does not have the force on his side during his duels. So the fact that he disarmed, beaten him, and was seconds away from killing the master of defence while anikin (the chosen one) could not even disarm him. I find that pretty impressive. Though I can't say the same for clone wars grevious. He was terrible. Though he showed some pretty good fighting skills for a person without the force he just was not nearly as Inteligent as the original clone wars and Revenge of The Sith grevious.

[@TheBestAround131]

I think if they had just gone a little harder with Grievous in the movie, like having Obi-Wan get dangerously close to getting decapitated while he tried to cut off one of Grievous's hands (i.e. Grievous strikes Obi-Wan's robe), it would have gone a long way to making him less of a joke.

[@greenmcbean6429]

“When I think of this character, there is only one interpretation I can think of...” *The bayblade*

[@onemanarmysswampparty]

No IT IS THE BANEBLAAAAAADE

[@Jimmys_GR_]

Including my comment, i count three guys saying the same thing 😂😂😂

[@spinxers1339]

I just love his skeleton like design of the armour and his blank expressionless eyes that just stare into your soul, that's when you know your already dead.

[@bouncin2207]

"Behind helmet holes that rendered his visage at once mournful and fearsome."

[@AreGeeBee]

He's like a disinterested cat playing with his food

[@genjutsu3053]

oh my God,his eyes his eyes,still looking up to him as a mentor.

[@foffinfruiter3575]

2003 General Grevious: The ultimate jedi/clone killing machine Clone Wars General Grevious: Im okay doing things

[@memesterjohnson1402]

I think everyone forgets that the only people that stop Grevious in the 2006 clone wars was ANAKIN, obi wan, and asoka (just barely mind you.). These were arguable some of the strongest jedi the order had.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@memesterjohnson1402 There is no such thing as 2006 Clone Wars. And if you are referring to the 2008 Clone Wars, many lesser combatants than those you've listed have claimed victory over him. Prime example: fucking Gungans. Ridiculous.

[@manlyman2624]

I love 2003 grevious, he isn’t just a general, and not a normal combatant, he is the living embodiment of death itself. The demonic shadow all Jedi see in their nightmares. The boogeyman stalking you just out of sight. A truly terrifying monster that is rightfully feared…

[@Warhero1171]

Shaak Ti's running battle with Grievous on the final episode is probably the best part of this series. It is a perfect illustration of brain vs brawn.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

Kinda ironic considering that Grievous still outsmarted and outplayed her in the end.

[@jyxtheberzerking4824]

*desperation vs unstoppable killer

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@JORDAN O Precisely.

[@Warhero1171]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 It was actually more so that the entire thing was rigged from the start by Palpatine.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@Warhero1171 Even if it wasn't, Shaak Ti still would never win in a battle of wits with Grievous.

[@Scary_Snail129]

When I hear the name General Grievous, I think of him running around after the Battle of Geonosis picking up all of the lightsabers of dead Jedi

[@Zero-dm2ep]

Now u say it I saw him too at every lightsaber say "A fine Addition to my collection"

[@MouldMadeMind]

I imagine taking the death star and saying "an fine collection"

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

While Darth Vader is an icon, and deserves to be, this General Grievous really is up there. His skeletal-white colouration and voice makes a great contrast to him, and the action is fantastic as well. The short sequence where he fights the guards when he comes to capture the Chancellor demonstrates is agility and power as well. Great video and channel, need to watch some more of them. More Grievous fans is always a good thing. :)

[@backupaccount6341]

Would have liked it if they would have kept the accent though.

[@ThatOneFry2005]

I hate how they massacred our boy, but so long as we hold the good memories.

[@BlueShellshock]

What always got me about Grievous is that he moves in non-human ways, fully taking advantage of a style that is created specifically for him. It's almost a little unnerving, that a human jedi perhaps could not match him because of the limitations of not having a robot body.

[@adamgardner3768]

I’ll never stop being salty they took our menacing and violent Grevious and turned him into a goofball meme. (Also I LOVE how he seemingly goes for the Masters first unless he sees a weakness in the others to kill and unbalance the others)

[@georgy2596]

Go for the strongest, unless you can easily destroy the weakest

[@terrified057t4]

2003 Grievous: Destroys the entire Jedi Starfleet leaving only 3 Jedi alive, though incredibly injured. 2008-2014 Grievous: Kinda cool, but highlighted defeats include being rekt by Gungans and being rekt by Padawan learners.

[@Man-lw5ik]

“PRESENTATION” - Mega Mind

[@jyxtheberzerking4824]

once more, megamind effortlessly proving itself to be the perfect film.

[@amannamedsquid313]

@@jyxtheberzerking4824 And also proving that General Grievous, the 2003 version at least, definitely earned the title of Supervillain.

[@ToppyDreemurr]

2008: *literally kills only one gungan and gets captured by the rest* 2003: *hehe spinny lightsabers and jedi corpses go brr*

[@Gojirawars03]

Pretty sure he slaughtered like a dozen Gungans, and y’all gonna act like every Gungan is Jar Jar. He was originally the village idiot for a reason, you know. Also Gungan weapons are kinda specifically designed to shut down machines, including his droid parts, but okay. Also also, 2008 GRIEVOUS WIPED OUT THE NIGHTSISTERS.

[@ToppyDreemurr]

@@Gojirawars03 True. And tbh the gungans should've killed him right there and easily won the war.

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@Gojirawars03 apparently like 10 gungan spear men are better than 6 jedi... huh, I guess that explains how the jedi order fell so easily

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

@@Gojirawars03 Shall we have the Gungan army fight the entirety of the Jedi Order then?

[@bobshaw3107]

@@alduintheanti-dragonborn well what's better, a clone or a gungan

[@Brainflayer]

I would have loved to see this Grievous in The Clone Wars. My idea for how they could port him over and keep his intimidating presence and prowess without nerfing him as hard as they did is this. He is introduced much like he was in the 2003 Clone Wars, through show-don't-tell and silent, distant or imposing shots of him to build his presence, the first time The General actually fights the main cast like Obi-Wan and Anakin in the show he beats them, badly, with our heroes only getting out through sheer luck. Then as the series goes on they start to last longer in their fights with him, learning his moves and growing stronger, before long they're matching him step for step and often dueling him to a standstill. Then finally they beat him in a fight, they surpass him, it would show The Audience that the main characters didn't just win out of being The Protagonists, they won because they *beat* him, that they grew strong enough through The Clone Wars to finally defeat this monster in a fight.

[@praisetelesto]

You should write star wars content

[@theshadow7201]

That's what happens in lots of Animes. The characters go through hell and pain to become stronger and stronger, their will struggles, but remains stronger as steel and finally they defeat their enemys. That's what's missing in modern movies and series.

[@Brainflayer]

@@theshadow7201 I can see why a lot of anime uses that process, if it's stupid but it works it's not stupid.

[@praisetelesto]

@@theshadow7201 Basically a dark souls game

[@Suhoputnaya_Akula]

In fact, all of the above is better suited for Shaak Ti - Grievous interacts with her most often. And if on Hypori he behaved with togruta , as with the rest of the jedi - mercilessly tried to kill, then on Coruscant he is with her... merciful. Even too much. General only talks to Shaak Ti, while Roron Corobb and Foul Moudama he silently tries to kill. Not only did he not kill her, he also left her on Coruscant. And the cyborg-kaleesh talks to togruta as if he is about to start flirting. In the superhero animated series of the 90s and 00s, one technique was used: *"The villain/villainess has a strong interest in the heroine/hero or conversely."* . It is possible that the same thing was planned in *"Clone Wars"* . Grievous' attitude to Shaak Ti has changed too dramatically, as if there was something else between the attack at Hypori and the attack on Coruscant. Considering that Qumaen cannot fly to Kalee and communicate with the remnants of his family and people, and how easily he kills jedi, he is sorely lacking in pleasure. He might have decided that one jedi needed to be defeated, but not killed, in order to fight again with pleasure. Shaak Ti is perfect for this - she has already faced Grievous and survived, she is one of the best masters of the Order, her students died, and she is a woman in the dawn of strength. And if we add here polygamy among the kaleesh, love experience and beauty before the loss of the body, it is quite expected that the attitude of Qumaen jai Sheelal to Shaak Ti will have an intimate character, even if only the head, heart and lungs remain of him. It would be similar to the attitude of Hannibal Lecter and Clarissa Starling in *"The Silence of the Lambs"* : Grievous will test Shaak Ti's fighting skills, tactical mind, patience and caution, while he will always be polite and honest with her, forcing togruta to behave the same way towards him; Grievous will be pleased when Shaak Ti can outwit and captivate him; Grievous can even show a little compassion for Shaak Ti because of the death of her padawans, who were like children to her, and only 4-5 out of 30 children survived at cyborg-kalish, and the death of a children is not an empty sound for him. If they had clashed after the events on Coruscant, their relationship could have passed into the category of "Neutral-Positive" - cyborg-kaleesh and jedi-togruta could calmly and confidently walk side by side and perform special missions together, but at the same time officially remain enemies. In the end, Qumaen can save Shaak Ti alone or with 2-3 random padawans from Order 66, then split up or stay together, finally becoming allies. And if Grievous decides to go further than exchanging pleasantries with Shaak Ti, they will become lovers or de facto spouses (they will have enough time to get closer in all respects).

[@Sus_Miser]

I don’t care if this show isn’t cannon anymore, this Grevious is the Cannon one and that’s final.

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

Anything that doesn't remind us of the sequels is canon

[@chadgrenadier6713]

Wait its not

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

@@chadgrenadier6713 shush if we don't play along with Disney's game they canonize some old content

[@chadgrenadier6713]

@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 ok lol

[@sulwhale3171]

I guess LEGO Star Wars is canon to ten

[@ziontrask3459]

So sad this isn’t canon. It all makes so much sense and is so badass.

[@Fulcrox]

Thank Lucas ego for that

[@Ziyoblader]

It technically is Cannon though back in the early 2000s it was the bridge given to us by George Lucas to bridge attack of the clones to the third movie of the pre-sequels so if you ignore all the changes after the Pre-Sequel movies were finished and leave it in your heart you have nothing sad to feel about it has nothing after the Pre-Sequel third movie exists as much as I like the mandalorian there's no reason for it to exist but you can always think of it as a spin-off or a side story

[@Renz0dV1]

This was canon in the first place. Disney bought everything and decided change that. For me, this will always be canon.

[@medalgear654]

It’s canon to me. I don’t care what the big mouse says

[@thecollector4332]

@@Fulcrox The fuck you keep talking about? Lucas had nothing to do with either the production of the clone wars (2008) (he was just the producer, didn’t have an input on the story at all) or Disney’s decision to remove this from canon. You have NO evidence that Lucas was responsable for any of the retcons but you put the blame on him because?…

[@Matthew-zx8cs]

Just a visual little note, when gunship first shows up, Gervious doesn’t even flinch, he actually turns towards it and doesn’t retreat until it opens fire

[@ethanemerson4862]

2008: runs away saying “I’ll get you next time!” 2003: mocks the jedi for running away from HIM.

[@trevorshevalier3384]

When I think of General Grievous, I think “Ra Ra Rasputin, Lover of the Russian Queen.”

[@thelarvagodofcreation7692]

Same

[@tristincasares4294]

Same

[@xmas918_8]

Same

[@bozidarknezevic8451]

Same

[@nero0168]

Same

[@HappyMSI1]

"Wiggling general Grievous does not exist, he can't hurt you." General Grievious : 1:00

[@nerobernardino88]

Not only does he in fact exist, his wiggle will for sure hurt you.

[@nicholasszabo5954]

Anyone saying any version of the 2003 Grievous can't hurt you is likely already dead.

[@SunnyDay_77]

Y'know, the 2003 animated series was probably my first introduction to Star Wars as a kid, and I remember watching Grievous' introduction episode. I remember being genuinely scared of Grievous, yet at the same time absolutely obsessed with him. The way he move, how he looked, how he sounded, his theme song, the tension before hand. Little kid me didn't fully understand it all, but I LOVED it. The mere fact that he was completely and entirely different from every other character in the show made me love him. It's the same reason I loved Asajj Ventress; she acted, looked, and sounded different from everyone else. I'm very glad I found this video to remind me why I loved General Grievous so much.

[@amandacruze9165]

you took the words out of my mouth

[@christianstamm94]

Same

[@Elfo_Scuro]

The close shot of his eye shows how was created like the greatest evil menace for the Jedi in the history. Masterclass of presentation by Gendy.

[@gavinlamp5426]

Clone Wars Grievous: "Looks like team Separatist is blasting off again!" 2003 Grievous: *Jaws theme starts to play*

[@spicyman6006]

"There is only one interpretation I can think of-" BEYBLADE BEYBLADE, LET IT RIP!

[@Gizmo5105]

I loved that show

[@GhaniKeSawah]

they couldn't handle the power of spinjuts- i mean the dark side oh wait he's not a sith

[@spicyman6006]

@@GhaniKeSawah Beige Ninja, master of surprise.

[@WTheRegulator]

“When I say the name General Grievous you probably think of THIS” never has someone been so wrong. 2003 Grievous is the only valid Grievous.

[@WTheRegulator]

The rest was absolutely spot on though

[@StucWf]

Try to think it as Grievous was so badly damaged by Windu, that it made him feel vulnerable and he became more cautious.

[@ferret3423]

The only way to stop 2003 Grievious is to bring in the most badass clone with all the heavy weapons he could ever want.

[@LincMinecrafter]

So a 2nd grievous basically

[@Runic_Blood]

I'll take clone 6666 please

[@Count.Saruman]

Or just plop 2003 Mace WinDoomslayer against him.

[@ssukhdeepkaur1783]

You just need 1 mace windu or fordo

[@1stAid]

@@ssukhdeepkaur1783 I'll take Captain Fordo, a.k.a. Doom Guy in Space

[@CYTBlitz]

This version of General Grevious was awesome! I also liked the episode where Grevious is chasing down Chancellor Palpatine. In that episode, one of the creepiest things about Grevious is that you see that he technically isn’t invincible, people are able to slow him down on occasion, but that seeming vulnerability only puts him in an uncanny valley between an enemy that you can take on in a fight, and something that is invincible.

[@handsup5855]

He spins like a bey-blade. He fights with his feet. He is intimidating. He has a great battle theme. He’s faster than the friggin’ force. He looks friggin’ awesome. Literally the best. (Darth Vader fits a few but not all of these)

[@handsup5855]

Agreed

[@envy-15545]

Now i wanna see vader spin like a beyblade

[@envy-15545]

I just wanna add a note, 4 jedi survived, not 3. In legends k’kruhk, the whiphid jedi, survived and went into a coma awakening sometime after grievous’ departure. He survived all the way up until the rise of the one sith empire and even became master to cade skywalker, luke skywalker’s descendant. And saw the fall of the one sith empire which was around 139 ABY. Such an awesome character, one of my favorites lol (Sorry for the long comment)

[@wayneellis7297]

I love the theory that the Clone Wars are Republic propaganda while Genndy's work is the real thing.

[@kingkurok3149]

Ooooh I can support that

[@SpectacularSpidey670]

what do you mean propaganda of the Republic?

[@wayneellis7297]

@@SpectacularSpidey670 So glad you asked. I mean that. Well the idea first slipped in my head with the Newsreel narrator at the start of every episode, reminiscent of old WWII propaganda. In Clone Wars Separatists are portrayed as either craven or cartoonishly stupid. General Grievous comes to mind. Genndy's Grievous was fucking terrifying. It gave me nightmares as a kid, as he picked Jedi apart with his *foot talons*. He was a lakonic, multi limbed assassin. It was shown in another short that Mace Windu crushed his chest but it doesn't explain how he turned into basically a synthed Snidely Whiplash. And the Jedi. In Clone Wars they're humanized, and win the day with lightsaber skill and clever tricks. Genndy got closer to what the Jedi would be like if you weren't force sensitive: Eldritch horror pyrotechnic wizards. An invisible means of disassembling droids only Coruscant sorcerers can use. If I saw Mace Windu crunch a sand crawler or Anakin turn a Skakoan into a tube of toothpaste, I would be glad they're on my side and want them off my planet. Anakin's temper flares in Clone Wars only under 'justifiable' conditions. In the shorts Asajj insults him and he promptly bludgeons her to death with a lightsaber.

[@makelgrax]

@@wayneellis7297 that's a very good headcanon, I'll be borrowing it!

[@julesdriscoll02]

It's an interesting theory, but I don't think the Republic would ever show their darker side that we see in later seasons

[@40088922]

2003 Grievous was hype AF. dude was actually scary, seeing him in action was like being tied up deep underwater: unrelenting, unyielding and overwhelming. idk why they nerfed him so bad after this, I mean, yeah, sure, he was an OP killing machine and the one who killed the almighty Sha'a Gi, but one can't just go from 100 to 1 like that

[@elssir1537]

No matter what Disney says. This is the only Grievous. The real Grievous. The one from the clone war series had to get his lightsabers from amazon. Otherwise I have no idea how he managed to collect them

[@eduardofreitas8336]

Hahahahahahaha

[@MRDLT00]

To be fair to Disney, Lucasfilms was fucking over Grevious in its 2008 show long before Disney bought Star Wars. XD

[@rescuerex7031]

We see him kill a Jedi in Season 1

[@Fulcrox]

In true, the one who fucked Grievous wasn't Disney It was George Lucas and his ego

[@Ziyoblader]

@@Ben-ek1fz nah I still don't like Darth maul coming back only to be slain pitifully by Obi-Wan again

[@aron1089]

I love this Grievous, he doesn’t run away just because he’s out-matched, but he runs away after proving a point. The point being that he can defeat multiple jedi at once and can dodge a fucking gunship and heavy artillery.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@kryptoskillet1131 Not really normal. They had heavy weapons like Reciprocating Quad Blasters and Z-6 Rotary Blasters. All of their DC-15s also had sub-barrel grenade launchers which they actively used.

[@twintiger3663]

When Genndy Tartakovsky and his creative team first started working on the 2003 series, they knew very little about Grievous because George Lucas was still working out the details for him. They just had a sketch of what he looked like and they knew he was a cyborg general of the Droid Army. Since he had a collection of lightsabers from Jedi that he killed, they figured he must be must be formidable and wrote him that way. They got all the details about Revenge of the Sith when they started working on the last season, but realized Lucas had written Grievous to be this cowardly guy that was constantly hacking and wheezing in the film version; the total opposite of the animated show. So, they corrected the issue by adding the scene with Mace Windu crushing his chest with the force. Which makes sense since Windu is supposed to be the most powerful Jedi next to Yoda.

[@Shenanigans303]

Lol they accidentally wrote themselves out of a corner. I appreciate genndy's take on star wars. His masterful balance of negative tension and action just comes out so perfectly in this sequence.

[@twintiger3663]

@@Shenanigans303 Well, they didn't accidentally write themselves out of a corner... they purposely came up with an explanation. But, I agree; Genndy is a fantastic storyteller. He really captures the emotion in this scene

[@brandonmaster7901]

Lucas's vision resulted in this mangled, contradictory mess of a character. On the one hand, he's a capable warlord who caught the attention of Sidious and Dooku by leading a war against a hostile alien force on his planet and won, he kills jedi and collects their lightsabers for sport, yet he's also a coward? That makes no sense at all. My personal theory is Lucas didn't want a villain who could compete with Vader in terms of popularity and badassery, so he ruined a perfectly good backstory and nerfed grievous to the point where you wonder how he could've risen to the rank of commander in the separatist army in the first place.

[@scottm8292]

@@brandonmaster7901 Apparently Lucas didn't want Grievous to overshadow Vader.

[@brandonmaster7901]

@@scottm8292 yeah, which is stupid. Vader is a classic and will always be popular, that doesn't mean there's no room in your franchise for other powerful and competent villains. Nerfing grievous is not only a disservice to him, but to the jedi as well. The republic hyped grievous up as this feared jedi killer and capable tactician, but why would they do that if he's just a coward who runs from fights all the time? It just doesn't make sense. Legends grievous will be the one and only interpretation of the character in my book.

[@Deek-Za]

Never saw this series. But Grievous will always be terrifying for me because of the Battlefront game. Just hearing the clanking as he rushes towards you down the halls brings me much terror.

[@someusername6552]

As much terror as obi wan suddenly coming out of nowhere behind you with a "hello there"?

[@xX_wiLLiam_Xx]

@@someusername6552 general kenobi

[@ellagage1256]

*Grevious appears* Me playing a normal Clone : "Haha, I'm in danger"

[@markroberto6974]

Battlefront Grievous is the origin of one internal joke that me and my friend have, every time something with 4 legs or more run in or direction we scream “SPIDER” because I once said how Grievous looks like a gigantic white spider when running in his quadrupedal form

[@Ziyoblader]

I definitely give this series a try I find it better than the 2008 version and realistically you don't need to watch the 2008 version if you watch this one this is the one that the world was given as a bridge to the movie that followed this the 2008 version was just to milk the series more and give a kids cartoon version for cartoon Network later picked up by Disney

[@ezrawyvern6795]

This series showed exactly why everyone treated Grievous so seriously and why he was effectively the second-in-command of the Confederacy until Dooku bit the dust. He was a non-Force user who was trained and armed with their weapons, holstering a very deep-seated and ultimately not completely unreasonable hatred of the Jedi, viewing them as the ones who ruined his life, forsook his people and caused him to become a mechanical monstrosity. He was someone who knew how to fight them and already pretty competent even before being reconstructed and trained by a former Jedi turned Sith Lord.

[@MrDreamblader]

I love General Grevious. When he is done right in the stories and this show you see how strong he was and why he was feared.

[@usedtissuepaper42]

the 2008 clone wars’ biggest flaw is turning their Grievous into even more of a joke than the revenge of the sith grievous

[@maxburrill6192]

Well in RotS, he was meant to be weaker because his lungs had just been crushed. But then according to the 2008 show, he had the cough the whole time? He still had some good showings there, but nothing compared to the original.

[@Themidamultitool]

I remember that the non cannon version of him was so strong palpi was scared of his potential

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

They tried to make him force sensitive because if he was Palpatine would’ve made him his Apprentice instead of Vader

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@mysteryjunkie9808 if Grievous could use the force he would be totally unstoppable!

[@GigaPangolin]

When I watch that scene, all I see is how intelligent Grevious truly is. He is completely prepared for everything the Jedi do and reacts almost instantly. He moves so quickly and leaves the Jedi unprepared for what he'll do next. He intimidates them. He is so agile that he makes the Jedi think they have to go faster to defeat him, which makes them disorganized. He causes panic in them and all the while is probably the most level headed villain I have seen in media. The lack of expression compared to how often the Jedi become shocked shows how he was ready for this fight and made it so they weren't. One of my favorite images is when Grevious is confronted by the gunship, the only light is the headlight on the gunship, and Grevious hesitates. You can tell he was not expecting it, but still does not panic. He calmly decides to flee. Not flee in a way that says "Curse you!" but in a way where he learned something, is more prepared, and is trying to get out of there to get his advantage of surprise back for the next encounter.

[@thesun5275]

he is also smart enough to not stay consistent in any shape or form, even when he had an advantage he would pull out of the fight just to disorient them, he would wait for them to group before picking one out in particular to target. He constantly tried to keep them together just to break them apart and hoping that when they were together, their aggressiveness would leave an easier opening to exploit. We see him do this time and time again with him being willing to jump into the middle of the group despite that often being a disadvantage, but he is able to fight in basically 360 degrees around himself and constantly able to put the Jedi off guard.

[@Gabriel-uq1wn]

I’ve watched this series as kid on Cartoon Network and since then I honestly think it has the best stand alone scenes from the whole Star Wars universe (alongside that Vader scene from rogue one). Can you guys imagine if they had done this in live action? Grievous standing in front of Ki Adi; the contrast between light and dark when grievous is hanging in the roof just above the Jedis etc etc…. If made properly, it would be a cinema masterpiece (no jokes here). I think it’s crazy why Disney haven’t tried to develop a project with Tartakosky by now.

[@thelordofthememes8702]

0:01 Anakin's neck alone gives him the Highground

[@thelieutenant7732]

I feel like the same thing kinda happened to the Stormtroopers. They were terrifying at first cause the first time we saw them was on the Tantive IV taking out a hallway of rebel infantry while suffering 3 casualties in a choke point, but as the series progressed they became a joke and lost any intimidation factor they once had.

[@AverageAwesomeDude]

I remember watching his introduction when I was a kid, I was having fun with the miniseries thinking it was all cool and fun with stuff like kit fisto fighting underwater. And then this episode came out, and I remember thinking “am I old enough to watch this?” It was pure gold

[@eepiest]

best interpretation of grevious in all of starwars id say, the motion of how he fights with his whole body, using his talons and all of his arms is such a menacing spectacle in gendys clone wars series

[@LotsaRaindrop73]

Yup he uses his entire body to his advantage which is terrifying in how he preforms against his foes when doing it.

[@oblivion715]

Actually, when I hear the name General Greivous, I think of the Lego Star Wars video games. It's why I know him as "Spinning Reaper".

[@w.dgaster1635]

Before Star Wars *The* Clone Wars came out the canonic answer for Grievous‘es weakness was that Windu almost destroyed his organic Sack inside his chest (also the reason for his coughing)

[@asrieldreemurr4338]

Howdy Gaster

[@Magicalcards2000]

Well someone actually connected the dots, also I personally view the '03 series as republic propaganda against the separatists

[@etlttc353]

But him being slower doesn't make sense Most of his body is literally made of machine that doesn't need oxygen flow It would've made sense if he moved as fast and agile as he was in the 2003 series but with slight hiccups because of him coughing and losing focus

[@rigatonipasta]

I love The Clone Wars to death but they really dropped the ball with Grievous. They should've made him the unstoppable killing machine and kept the chest crush excuse

[@Galimeer5]

Another thing about Real Grievous is that he knows when to shut the hell up. RotS and Clone Wars Grievous was always talking shit despite never actually winning a fight. When he was chasing the younglings under Ahsoka's protection, he was screaming "You can't escape Grievous!" _while they were escaping him_ and that whole time I was just thinking "dude, shut the hell up, you're embarrassing yourself" Real Grievous gives a simple speech and is silent for the entire fight "Jedi...your are surrounded, your army is decimated. Make peace with the Force now, for this is your final hour. But know that I, General Grievous, am not completely without mercy. I will grant you a warrior's death. Prepare."