Why The 2003 Clone Wars Hit Different

[@savagebooks7482]

Whats the over/under on me triggering at least 124 fanboys by calling Clone Troopers stormtroopers? I have my wallet ready

[@NicholasWhitneyEnjoyer]

I just found it funny xD

[@Allstar-yl1ek]

Well it got me and I'm not even a big fan, so let's call it about... 150% Great video btw

[@charlesroche5027]

it's that they're arc troopers my dude...

[@cloin6]

I paused right where I was knowing there'd be a comment on it.

[@pianocard2786]

Still doesn’t mean you were correct

[@mr.shyryhud1659]

This series does something that no other Star Wars does, silence. There are whole action sequences where you don't hear a word.

[@andrewryan8533]

very good point. I'm very often please wih long sequences of actions without words, and I tought the whole "Arc" of the Commando Clones going in the city and doing all their stuff in complete silence, giving orders with hands gestures and all, was thrilling

[@villie86]

Thank Genndy Tartakovsky. He mastered that art perfectly with Samurai Jack.

[@bretts.7488]

At this point, I genuinely need silence and pauses in dialogue in my media.

[@Chrischi7777]

Wow great point!

[@lukthere2]

Yep, gendy is a genius. Primal is also a masterpiece. Anything he touches is priceless

[@BFB_123]

I really liked how Grievous used his legs and feet as well as his hands for combat. Just shows how much of a living weapon and absolute unit he was.

[@konradhomiak3700]

It also really stressed how grevious used everything to gain an advantage. It just added to how ruthless he was.

[@dangerouscolors]

absolute agreement! rots and tcw 2008 kinda just turned him into a walking beyblade with all the spinning but all the acrobatic shit he did in tcw 2003 was nothing short of amazing

[@gabebell924]

YESSS! 2003 Grievous will always be my favorite iteration of Grievous. The way he would quite literally just crush people under foot and then do a back handspring so he could throw them across the room, oh my God it's beyond cool, just as the title says.

[@zenopssmdk]

Funny enough Duku never taught him the force because he would become dramaticly more powerful than him. At least I'm pretty sure that's what the lore is.

[@scottgrey3337]

Everything about Grevious' fight scenes perfectly shows how he changes the rules and puts his opponents on the back foot. He takes the time to terrify them, is nearly always on the offense, and as you said, is entirely made for fighting. When the guy went up against multiple jedi and was winning, we *knew* why.

[@Comkill117]

Remember that time there was an episode of clones who were dead silent and used hand signals to communicate and basically fought through enemy lines like commandos and won with minimal casualties? That was the coolest thing I'd ever seen as a kid.

[@TheKenji2221]

These are the one and only true ARC troopers. I like Five and Echo. But they're not real ARC

[@joshuawall2590]

I went out and bought an ARC trooper action figure after that scene as a kid lol.

[@atrophine_]

Its like they remembered that clones are literally clones of the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy

[@jeremybasset9041]

That episode changed me as a child

[@YAYa-jx2kx]

Captain Fordo, Arc 77

[@erikm8373]

Tartakovsky making Jedi for the show: "What if Samurai Jack had telekinetic superpowers?" On a side note: 2003 Grievous vs Samurai Jack would probably be the coolest fight in animated history

[@mywayfernandez8704]

*Y E S*

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

Grievous would surely win though.

[@shatterIguess838]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 Nah, I'd say draw

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@shatterIguess838 What makes you think that?

[@shatterIguess838]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 mostly because we spent more time with Jack than with Grievous, and because of this we can tell that Jack has more feats and evidence to support that their fight might be leaning towards a draw or even a victory for Jack. However if we factor in the comics where this Grievous was featured, then we have a more compelling argument for Grievous' victory

[@matyasludnai3403]

This series is fucking badass. The Jedi are competent, the Droids are competent, the Clones are competent, Grievous is competent, everyone is just so competent and it's brilliant.

[@jaredcortez3251]

I rewatched this series and this is the best way to describe everyone. It’s ferocity at its finest and each character wears it brilliantly

[@Jed_the_Malamute]

I agree. But I'm gonna ask: are the clones people? That's something I like about 2008 CW that the Ghenndy show didn't discuss,

[@minicle426]

It's tediously overhyped certainly.

[@majinta0_0]

well droids are still...droids, but they get a few moments to shine here

[@LucyWest370]

@@Jed_the_Malamute only two clones are even named in the 2003 series. One of which is cody, who literally only has like 6 lines of dialogue across 3 scenes, and Fordo, who I dont think they even say his name out loud so hes just the invincible red guy

[@Alacaelum]

"Mace doing Windu things" is such a perfect summarization of Mace Windu's badassery.

[@tylerp5839]

The part when Grevious reveals himself to Windu, and Windu looks at him, crushes his chest instantly... god that was so good

[@brandonden795]

The scene where he's punching the droids. Someone was just dying to animate a boxing Windu

[@freddogrosso9835]

Taking water from children, in the desert. Not cool, Mace.

[@ikeelu259]

Too bad he flew out the windu 🤣

[@shrimplord6787]

Sammy J. Knows how to get it done... Havent you seen pulp fiction??

[@BFB_123]

2003: Oh shit it's Grievous Clone wars: Oh thank god it's just Grievous

[@wisdommanari6701]

"general grievous will run and hide like he always does" 😭 😠😡🤬 I hated this line

[@thereallocke8065]

Yeah they did Grevious so band in the 2008 show. He's mostly a joke and you have Jedi Padawans outsmarting him.

[@SirRebrl]

The 2008 Grievous trash talked like he was the 2003 Grievous. "I will handle the Jedi myself." "Your lightsaber will make a fine addition to my collection." And that trash talk was all he had. The 2003 Grievous let his actions speak for themselves.

[@beeza]

The Real Locke he got beaten by dudes with some spears and electricity too lmao

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@beeza bruh he gets beaten by mf Gungans...

[@alexanderforsman2166]

That scene with Mace losing his lightsaber, surrounded by super battle droids and no clones left alive to assist. Then proceeds to rip them apart with his fists. 2003 made force powers so unbelievably awesome.

[@DBraum]

The sounds of him smashing those clankers lives rent free in my head

[@Jiub_SN]

Far better then filonis clone wars in every way

[@vortex7733]

What a creative person can do with the force. It's such a shame that if your a unnamed jedi your relegated to push pull jump. watching that made the jedi seem like they could take on space marines from 40k

[@concept5631]

​@@Jiub_SN Ashoka should've died in Rebels. Nothing against her character, it was just her time to go.

[@levanitamani9262]

​@@concept5631her fight with Vader in the rebels show was good tho

[@wisdommanari6701]

MF general grievous as an actual scary antagonistic. So freaking cool.

[@commonviewer2488]

He killed Jedi Shaggy!

[@konradhomiak3700]

common viewer ZOINKS OBI WAN

[@26th_Primarch]

@@commonviewer2488 Jedi Padawan Shaa'Gi. Not joking that's his canonical name

[@gabethebabe3337]

I always loved the way he basically juggled his lightsabers. It’s a shame he didn’t translate very well to film.

[@KaiserToons]

@@gabethebabe3337 Given he was weakened, injured, and unable to repair after windu's force crush, I feel him being comparatively docile and with a cough rather perfect for the sake of continuity, what didn't translate well his his portrayal as a joke and stepping stone for guest antagonists in the 3d clone wars series, which ineffect decanonized general grievous's as anything of a threat in the two previous appearances of him into the literal embodiement of mace windu's remark about him.

[@sirGarald]

Anakin: "I don't like sand." Audience: "He must be referring to the difficulty of his childhood, growing up a slave on the desert planet Tatooine." Anakin: "It's course and rough, and irritating; and it gets everywhere." Audience: ....

[@NiteCyper]

He must be referring to sand vagina.

[@hansjurgen4567]

i always saw the cringy lines as an teen talking to his first crush while beeing trained to not express his feelings. Using common knowledge topics like the weather or sand (it kinda is the weather on tatooine) to start a conversation or connect with the person while beeing rlly nervous sound super believable to me.

[@spethmanjones2997]

@@hansjurgen4567 that's a nice perspective, but when you hold those lines up next to the rest of the prequel series's dialogue, you realize that no, it doesn't have deeper meaning. It was just piss-poor writing lol

[@hansjurgen4567]

@@spethmanjones2997 there was poor dialog sure, but maybe he accomplished what he wanted with these cringy lines of anakin. Also i just rly liked the development from cringy anakin to Darth Vader.

[@spethmanjones2997]

@@hansjurgen4567 I don’t know, cringy teenage melodrama turning into Darth Vader was incredibly jarring to me. So jarring that it seemed like its writer did not understand human beings. The Clone Wars series developed Anakin so much better that the two are not even in the same league

[@armax4282]

“We are being overrun” 3 secs later “never mind”

[@GiubileiFernando]

That was the most badass moment in all of Star Wars

[@Ranwa90210]

I was yelling "Come get some!!!!" the entire time! XD

[@cpt.bigbrain5954]

"Somebody call for reinforcements...But not for me!"

[@pclone5019]

I can't believe this video went through the whole thing without once mentioning Captian Fordo by name. He's the first clones to ever have a major recurring role in Star Wars media.

[@KuraMad2000]

@@Ranwa90210 I thought the line was "WHO ELSE WANTS SOME!"

[@nathanpeel8096]

2014 Grevious: *Struggles to defeat a Padawan* 2003 Grevious: *Takes on a Jedi Knight and 4 Masters at the same time*

[@liamdalemon1525]

also he gets beaten by like 8 Gungans and they only suffered one casualty. GUNGANS ARE BETTER THAN FULLY TRAINED JEDI?!?!??!?

[@njh123]

Yes but thats because he wasnt what he used to be. At the end of the last cartoon mace windu destroys his breathing thing and after that he never really recovers. Also to the other guy, gungans played it smart and caught hin off guard its different.

[@trat2053]

@@njh123 The scene where mace destroys his chest cavity takes place during the separatist assault on Coruscant, where they kidnap the chancellor, i.e. the beginning of RotS. In other words, that injury is sustained moments before his proper introduction in the movie (and almost immediate death to kenobi afterwards), at the very end of the war.

[@jeffbenton6183]

That's why I liked the episode "Grevious' Lair" in Season One of the 2008 cartoon. It's one of the few instances in that show where he gets to show off his effectiveness in hand-to-hand fighting. It's also cool that we got to see more of Kit Fisto in that episode.

[@fictiontheorizer1991]

@@jeffbenton6183 "Into the Lair" was terrible. If he was just always a buffoon in this universe, I wouldn't have liked it, but I would have understood. Making him be competent once, only to Nerf him with no explanation, because "we can't have him killing off Ashoka Tano don't you know" was far more insulting than to have him be a buffoon for the majority of the series.

[@YowLife]

I remember HATING this series when I was a kid...because each episode ended so soon, I wanted them to be longer.

[@nickbuckley4371]

Now that’s how u know u love something u watched

[@caydecatt9650]

I have the movies, I think an hour and a half long each, they’re just a bunch of the episodes combined!

[@cutrey9918]

They had us in the first half not gonna lie

[@ryancronwell6368]

Holy shit I found you again. I'm not even looking for your comments wth

[@TheDaltonius]

Imagine it being so good that you hate it for being short xD

[@pint3166]

"And Genndy wanted to translate that into three minute episodes of a cartoon where space wizards with glowsticks waved their hands to knock over kitchen appliances holding M4's. *And he did it* "

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Ha

[@walterkennedy9474]

This quote brings me great joy

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

Yeah, we watched the fuckin video

[@Data-Expungeded]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923 yes that’s what COMMENTS are pointing out a part of the video and commenting about it

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

@@Data-Expungeded Mald harder turtle boy.

[@BobSmith-ej4he]

17 seconds of one Clone trying not to die against oncoming waves of battle droids, gave me more of an emotional reaction than I had to the entire 3 movie arc for Kylo Ren.

[@Vulganot]

No lie it just gave me chills

[@gregstrongjaw5251]

For real though. That interrupted message followed by badass action was dope.

[@spethmanjones2997]

When animation and brief dialogue can convey desperation like that short scene did to the extent that it gets an emotional response from you, you know the team that made it was pretty amazing

[@Speedracer6]

It really did hit different

[@pouncelygrin6699]

*nod *nod v_v

[@MrAwsomenoob]

Genndy Tartakovsky is the messiah of show don't tell, he can make a freaking movie with no dialogue and I'd be a masterpiece

[@connaghward1582]

What about a whole show about a caveman and his dinosaur without dialogue.😏

[@GollyJolly]

Can I get some love for the sound designers as well?

[@henryfleischer404]

@@GollyJolly No.

[@gremlinchet]

Yes, he astounds me. I didn't have cable growing up, so I didn't watch Samurai Jack until I was an adult. My girlfriend showed it to me a couple of years ago, and at first I thought it was going to be some mindless hack'n'slash. It only took a couple of episodes for me to realize not only was I wrong, but to completely 180 my perspective. The visual storytelling, the reliance and use of visuals over dialogue, the simple peace of the world juxtaposed with the violence of Aku's reign. I was blown away, and all but the last season are basically enshrined with a place in my top 5 animated series now. (I also enjoyed the last season, but didn't care for the last 5 or so minutes, which I felt missed the mark significantly, but I digress.) Clone Wars 2003 I had on DVD as a kid, and even though I didn't know to appreciate Tartakovsky specifically, I was always at the edge of my seat with anticipation while watchin g(and rewatching) the series. He's a master of visual storytelling, and I really appreciate this video for highlighting that for me further.

[@lucifermagne7458]

You ever hear of Primal?

[@SourSourSour]

"Everything that I've ever done is not really based on reality, it's the caricature of reality, which is what's really exciting. " -Genndy Tartakovsky

[@joshuafischer684]

Tartakovsky understands what animation is able to do. I see it sort of like video games in that the push for realism is not beneficial to the medium. If you want realism, do live action. Animation allows you to bend the rules of reality or break them entirely.

[@AndreNitroX]

My new favorite quote

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

love his animation processing.

[@mlynash]

I feel like he plays it fast and loose with reality but not the relations between the characters. Spear can climb a tree with fuckall branches and Jack can "jump good", but they still have to build a relation with whatever they encounter- i.e. the albino monkey in Primal or the raver kids in Samurai Jack. Primal foregoes dialogue and yet you still are shown bonds building and growing. And he doesn't skimp on that neither- there is a throwback to the portal guardian in the season 5 of SJ, a literal still frame, that tugs a heartstring, if you know what you are looking at (doesn't screw up pacing if you don't, it's so quick). Also helps that both protagonists are iron balls to the wall badasses that will make anybody's inner 8 yr old happy. And, contrary to the villains, they don't talk much.

[@andrewvleming8477]

Side note I always felt anakins vision in the cave was one of the beat pieces of storytelling in star wars . It neatly encapsulates the core tragedy of a anakin Skywalker: a man seeking to to protect those he loves loses himself to the power required to do so, eventually hurting those he sought to protect.

[@WhiskeyDJones]

I agree. And I don't know if you saw it, but at the end of the vision, there was a split second view of Anakin as Vader. I thought that was really well done. Hell, this whole series was amazingly done

[@motor4X4kombat]

Yeah while I like the Mortis arc fine, I really hate the hole "foreshadowing" of anakin becoming darth Vader. Every single scene was nothing but "you will become something worse than the sith and will join the dark side" "I'll never join the dark side not matter what! "Yes you will" "NO I WON't" And then they show over the top flashes of all his friends dieying because of him and they add over the top looking darth Vader imagery in the background. Seriously in the microseries was just a series of unrelated pictures on the wall telling a similar story to anakin wrapping everything with a image of darth Vader awaking in a microsecond, kinda like telling the story of darth plagues the wise in a visual and subtle way. That arc feel like the hobbit, everything is nothing but buildup for the "darkness will soon rise" to the point I'm like -yeah I know something is wrong in the horizon because I already friggin saw it, you don't need to harmmer in every single second like a obnoxious fanboy telling you "Vader is coming Vader is coming!!!!"

[@micalzoncillo249]

@@motor4X4kombat i mean it's not like the prequels where built completely around that, right? i thought it was really well done, and after he goes on that rampage where he kills all the guys that where experimenting with the males of the tribe you see like real brutality, nothing he does in that episode is jedi-like. anakin's arc is the best thing in the series after grievous introduction. remember the fight with the bald sith wannabe? that was badass! tartakovsky made anakin look bad fucking ass, that's how good it is.

[@motor4X4kombat]

@@micalzoncillo249 i know, i wasn't talking bad about the tartakovsky show, i was talking about the mortis arc from the Dave filoni show, but just like comparing better call saul to Hannibal rising. Theres a good and subtle way to buildup the brining from an already known character in a prequel and a bad way to buildup the buildup the brining from an already known character, while its still a better Made buildup compare to what lucas did in the movies, its still not as good like tartakovsky did.

[@freddogrosso9835]

Striking Ventress over and over again. The faces of other jedis flashing... That one and when he rescued the mole people, force crushing dudes all over the place. Pure evil.

[@ViolaDragon621]

The part where the battle droid just says “Two.” Is hilarious to me

[@edwardroach9643]

I have a visual sir

[@aleembaksh1880]

@@edwardroach9643 "Are they Jedi?"

[@edwardroach9643]

@@aleembaksh1880 i think so

[@aleembaksh1880]

@@edwardroach9643 "How many, a thousand?"

[@edwardroach9643]

@@aleembaksh1880 no

[@bruhtholemew]

"All 3 movies with general Hux" Hux is so forgettable that I thought he died in each movie, and when he'd show up in the next I shrugged it off because I still didn't care for him.

[@sylvancochran1572]

Who is general Hux?

[@minebrandon95264]

i was so confused why he wanted to betray kyle, i did not notice him in last jedi

[@FlyingFocs]

He's one of those characters that I periodically forget exists. Which I hate, because the actor who plays him is good, and thus completely wasted.

[@njh123]

Hux had so much potential in TFA with being space hitler. Then in TLJ he was still fine, and TROS just murdered his character completely

[@Ihatemyselfsomuchhehe]

@@sylvancochran1572 He's mister "I AM THE SPY" In Rise of Skywalker

[@howdypartner8326]

One thing I absolutely adore about General Grievous in the 2003 Clone Wars is that he disguises his fatal flaw as a strength. He is put in a disadvantageous position against Force users due to being unable to counter the Force, yet from the way he goes on Jedi demolishing kill streaks you'd think he is resilient if not even _immune_ to the Force. I also love Dooku by extension since he taught Grievous this strategy.

[@cleverman383]

He also knows that Jedi are at their best when they clear their minds, so he tries to make them fear him to put them at a disadvantage

[@khornethebloodgod4155]

“You must break them before you engage them”.

[@richardbecker697]

I did my football eye black in the style of Grevious before he was a cyborg in HS. The Kaleesh mask.

[@rosfell00]

He broke Ki Adi Mundi to the point he was screaming SHOOT HIM DOWN to the Arc Troopers in desperation, the most stoic member of the Jedi council was so scared of a machine that he showed emotion and begged the clones to take him down, that's how effective General Grievous was...

[@GuardianOwl]

He also knew when to hold back for effect. At the end when it is down to two Jedi and Palpatine they lock themselves in the vault. This is actually a very dangerous scenario for Grievous as he doesn't have the room to make use of his agility. If the Jedi kept their cool they could have spread out around him and hit him with Force powers and he would not have been able to dodge them. Instead of tactics, Grievous gives them something else to think about by revealing his 2nd set of arms. Now all they can think about is how hopeless the situation is.

[@SkullSnax]

Loved the old Clone Wars series. Grievous was a genuine Terminator level threat, and his chase scene through Coruscant is iconic. Anakin and Obi-Wan were great together as a believable duo. The artwork was great. I loved the “war propaganda” style. It wasn’t just action, it was action lead by character, slow moments that lead to fast moments. What a show.

[@drewpeterson9236]

Terminator level threat? This grievous could probably single handedly destroy the entirety of Skynet.

[@drewpeterson9236]

I could picture this Greivous going up against an army of 100 T 800s and just hacking them up like a weed whacker. He’s just too fast and too good with his arms for them to hit.

[@Mathadar]

This is also why Samurai Jack really worked. Some of the best episodes had little to no dialogue.

[@williamking6787]

Honestly the best part of the grievous chase bit on Coruscant was when the clone trooper just slowly loads a missile into his bazooka before firing it out of an elevator and then grievous LIVES

[@drewpeterson9236]

William King Or when he’s massacring the clones in that hallway and you can hear one of them pull out a chainsaw and still get wrecked

[@primary9154]

"We are being overrun!" Proceeds to not be overrun.

[@Scary_Snail129]

FaLsE aLaRm

[@LucyWest370]

I like how every single person has said this ignoring the B2 battle droids that just walked right past him

[@svagglaorde4387]

If only we had that clone in Battlefront 1.

[@belgianfootball4529]

Big up Fordo

[@evilclown019]

@@svagglaorde4387 Even at my best in either the og Battlefronts, or the new, I was never HALF this close here.

[@nooby0fficial476]

2003 Grievous: I can solo 5 Jedi and take no damage. 2008 Grievous: I lost to Gungans.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

😅😂😂

[@YodatheHobbit]

1999 Phantom Menace: WESA WARRIORS! WESA GOT A GRAND ARMY! Gotta respect the source material.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@YodatheHobbitaye they are, doesn't mean grievous would lose to them. TCW is a terrible show

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@Jiub_SNwhat did just you say?😮

[@jamestolbert1856]

Take it back!

[@DOMDZ90911]

That one episode where a platoon of clones infiltrate and successfully disable a defense system is better than all the sequel movies combined.

[@LucyWest370]

Are you comparing the two? That is offensive to the clone wars 2003.

[@sammykent5752]

An Emmy award winning series is better than controversial Star Wars movies? 😱😱😱😱 Wut?

[@LucyWest370]

@@EresirThe1st oh shut up

[@sodaverde]

And the Mace Windu one.... UFF

[@Garry503]

The muunilist 10 were the best. The elite.

[@1987palerider]

The real travesty was not making Captain Fordo canon in the 08 series

[@TommyAngelo1337]

Too OP for canon. This entire series is.

[@alexarellano4813]

Everything can canon in your head.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@TommyAngelo1337 How is he too OP? Because he out-badasses Rex? Fordo's skills are plausible enough considering he was personally trained by Jango Fett.

[@CJandstuff]

He gets name dropped in the 08 series. Like alluded to that he trained rex

[@Foxdidnothingwrong]

Shipmaster_Voro no he doesn’t alpha 17 trained Rex

[@themerryreaper4667]

I will NEVER understand why they changed Grievous from this terrifying, calculated and unorthodox killingmachine into a dumb coward.

[@Zekefried]

Idk why he wanted it to be distinct. Clone wars grievous would have been awsome in both the later series and the movie

[@noahs.6209]

Mabye for the memes? 🤔

[@th3d3liv3ryman6]

I see it as doku tightening the leash on Grevious . As part of the plan

[@Allstar-yl1ek]

@Leona IIRC, Lucas felt that 2003 Grievous was too close to Vader in the "cybernetic killing machine" department and he wanted a more distinct character. I agree that he overcorrected tho

[@scottjs5207]

What it comes down to, no matter the discourse that lead to it, George Lucas has a great mind for the over all scale of a story, but he's extremely problematic when it comes to properly using characters outside of cheesy demeanor. Hence the more forgettable 20008 The Clone Wars droid or Jar Jar arcs.

[@da_pikmin_coder8367]

Genndy Tartakovsky's style of animation is so iconic and hard to replicate. There's this perfect juxtaposition between stiffness and silence and then swiftness and loudness. Or sometimes movements will be swift while everything is absolutely silent. Or loud chaos will erupt as the character stands completely still. It is completely reminiscent of Samurai Jack, and by no accident.

[@Sephiroth144]

I mean, when its made by the same guy/team, pretty hard to claim it'd be an accident. Of course, given that one of Star Wars primary inspirations was the samurai movies of the 50s/60s, there is a symmetry that goes with it, (or perhaps, a rhyme).

[@danielpreciado3112]

Tartakovsky uses pose-centric animation to make it look very snappy, quick, and iconic. You remember more of the animation when it lingers more on these key frames. Much like when slapstick cartoon characters would stop dead in their tracks to show how solid and painful of a hit they just took, so too does Genndy Tartakovsky hold on those action strikes to show a visceral and well-choreographed action scene.

[@Merumya]

2003 Grievous clearly showed what a good villain needs to be: Scary. Second most important thing after the protagonist.

[@walker110701]

Well, he's scary because he didn't need to ramble on about how amazing he was, he was JUST amazing, and he actually got shit done.

[@panic5306]

@@walker110701 he only backed down when faced with the most armed ship the republic could get their hands on (save for the arc170)

[@walker110701]

@@panic5306 There you go!

[@panic5306]

@Gill-Ford, The Lightning not necessarily. look at one punch man. none are worthy to face Saitama but the show and kinda plot are wonderful because of it

[@Merumya]

@Gill-Ford, The Lightning Well, are they more important than the protagonist, or do action-focused stories lower the importance of the protagonist ? Id say they can get away with a weak protagonist, and thats why most dont put in the effort to get a good one, but a good protagonist could still improve the story a lot. So, my point stays. Second most important character after the protagonist is the villain.

[@MeatCognition]

I had nightmares about Grievous as a kid after watching his intro scene. Dude was absolutely terrifying to 12 year old me.

[@OrinFitchett]

same man, he had a vibe of omnipotence that was actually very unsettling. shame that ep.3 didn't really do him justice but i can only guess it was due to technical limitations at the time (the quality of CG grievous still holds up to this day though)

[@user-xp5lu6jy7d]

U old lol

[@malcolmjenkins3585]

He was completely butchered in tcw 2008. He turned into a gutless lying coward who caused me too enjoy his insides being blown of his mechanical body.

[@lukedanielgalon1596]

Even watching that part even for a 17 yr old he is scary.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@potatoanimations9982 The fear of a 3m tall murderous alien cyborg still makes more sense than the vast majority of typical human fears.

[@pcm1011]

Asajj and Grievous were at their best on this show. I appreciate the other Clone Wars bc it made clones feel more human, but in 2003 they were displayed as true warriors and I love it

[@greedow]

@Tom Ffrench ventress is more savage in the micro series. case in point, 3:19 to 3:33

[@juniperrodley9843]

Aight I'm sorry but Ventress' character arc in CW08 is too good to pass up.

[@pcm1011]

@@juniperrodley9843 true, the episodes she's in are the ones I enjoyed the most except for the ones that focused on the clones. 2003 has that epic duel against Anakin tho

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@pcm1011 I love a lightsaber duel as much as the next guy but I tend to enjoy character stuff more personally.

[@christianresel8051]

You mean as what their trained and breed to be, wich is absolute units. Remember the first gen Clones are ALL trained by Jango, who was Mandalore for a time. Every ARC you see is a gen1 clone and was trained by him (in 2008 that was reduced to a title sadly.... ARC you could become there wich was not the case in Legends and book(Also Delta's who got even more training done(Clone Commando's that is, not just Delta squad XD)

[@asurasyn]

Legends Grevious and Rage Mode Anakin were truly incredible in this series. Not to mention uber trooper using five different weapons to obliterate a dozen droids while being overrun.

[@aceambling7685]

Captain Fordo is the most underrated ARC trooper of all time.

[@irish14sean]

"Jedi. You are surrounded. Your armies are decimated! Make peace with the Force now; for this is your final hour! But know that I, General Grievous, am not completely without mercy. I will grant you a warriors death. *Prepare!* " -Grievous's first sentence; Star Wars Clone Wars, Episode 10. The birth of a legend.

[@Jurgir09]

Better written sentence than the entire sequel episodes

[@Halo_Legend]

And a grave. Or ok, the 3rd episode of the movies was his grave. All beyond that, not counting books and comics, was an insult to his character.

[@PutitinDaramen]

god just reading that again gives chills.

[@Scary_Snail129]

Yes

[@naproupi]

@@Jurgir09 then the entire prelogy*

[@No0bT4rD]

i remember being like 9 years old, watching cartoon network. and all of the sudden a clone wars episode came on. it was amazing. every single time i was in awe. but every single time i was angry that the episodes were so short. i never was able to completely watch the series.

[@AtlasofSol]

Well you can now, because the full series is on KZbin

[@fulccrum2324]

heck yeah, full things free here now personally found it the best way to start 2021 off with

[@Orange_Swirl]

"TV Tropes, a website I recommend you stay far away from because you'll never find your way out." LISTEN TO THIS MAN, IT HAS ALREADY TAKEN ME!

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

hELP

[@Orange_Swirl]

@@PoolNoodleGundam NOOOOO

[@treray3168]

What was it like from the other side?

[@Orange_Swirl]

@@treray3168 A world filled with nothing but fiction devices. I got trapped in a world of interesting make-believe.

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@Orange_Swirl so many links and references... To other interesting stories and references.... Xanatos Gambit

[@andrewharvey1777]

This micro series is still home to my two favorite “clone” looks. Between the poncho/armor combination shown in the intro, and Obi-Wan’s robes/armor combo . His 2008 clone wars outfit really did that version a disservice

[@cleverman383]

2008 Clone Wars suffers from the fact that its directly going against 2003 Clone Wars, which is one of the best pieces of Star Wars media along with KOTOR 1 and 2

[@Goldenleyend]

Honestly after years I looked at the 2008 version and said "that looks cool". But I didn't remember if it was the same as the 2003 version so I had to check, and boy did it pale in comparison to the 2003 version.

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Fun fact: there is a cut scene in RotS when Obi-Wan and Yoda are returning to the Jedi temple on Coruscant and are briefly met by clones in robes or ponchos, masquerading as Jedi. The only thing left of that scene is the brief fight that followed it. Also a fun fact: the setup was left intact in Lego Star Wars, but the clones masquerading as Jedi looked way too obvious.

[@CreateAmazment]

General Grievous's introduction in the 2003 series has been stuck in my mind forever. It was the first thing I remember scaring me as a child, and to this day that scene still just disturbs me. I grew up with Star Wars, and had this idea in my mind that Jedi were these unstoppable forces for good, and to see them thrown around like ragdolls, taken out in mere seconds, it was scary. General Grievous was and still is one of my favorite Star Wars villains because of that scene and I wish they did him more justice in the movies. He truly can be a terrifying force if used correctly

[@Sephiroth144]

Or how he started down the LAAT afterwards; no fear, no hesitation, just planning and execution.

[@ifindmonstersattractive9011]

Saw Revenge of the sith first, then these, and I when Griveous appeared I was like… *”wait is this the same guy”* and then he became my favorite character, specially after learning his backstory

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

The part about Lucas being a terrible small picture guy is so true. I try to tell people this when I explain how good some of the spinoff series, books, or games are

[@KillerOrca]

(Most of the Legends canon anyone?)

[@cloudhazard2860]

I know. Star Wars is all about these big, epic stuff happening on like Galactic scales so most characters don’t even feel grounded or vulnerable. It’s like they could change the whole balance of the universe by pissing off some guy at your local Starbucks

[@hyperion3145]

@@cloudhazard2860 The fact that one family's drama pretty much built and destroyed the Empire shows how right you are.

[@MegaZeta]

The main problem with Star Wars spin-off material is that a lot of it tries to make every single character, minor, background or newly invented, into someone of galactic importance.

[@MegaZeta]

@@Man_of_Tomorrow Try reading Lucas's original script, "The Star Wars", some time. You're overestimating Lucas's self-awareness when you call what he's done "intentional schlock". If he hadn't been so awkwardly earnest (and if he hadn't had collaborators with the power to correct his course), a lot of the charm of the original trilogy wouldn't be there.

[@bloopboop9320]

13:28 So the reason for Grievous being vastly different between the Clone Wars and Episode III is actually due to rewrites. In the original versions of Star Wars Episode 3, they designed Grievous to be a Jedi Hunter/Warlord who was cold, cunning, and stood erect in all of his scenes. There was even a brief draft where Anakin would go to swing a light saber at Grievous and he would catch it with his bare hands because his exoskeleton was designed to be light saber proof to help aid in killing Jedi. Grievous was originally supposed to be the "ultimate cool Jedi killer". However, I think George Lucas and the team realized that the kind of wrote themselves into a corner where they had a bad-guy who was infinitely more threatening than Dooku, Palpatine, or Anakin. The cooler Grievous became the more he stole the show. Also, he started to seem eerily similar to Darth Maul who was also a "quiet, cunning, and efficient" Sith. Thus, Grievous' role was reduced in Episode III to emphasize more on the core of the story which is about Obi-Wan and Anakin having to fight each other, but by the time this change was made the Clone Wars animated series was already in production/released so the Grievous we get in the Clone Wars is a much older version of the character.

[@Jaerek]

That first paragraph is interesting, which interview or featurette is this from?

[@bloopboop9320]

@@Jaerek ive talked to the story artists who worked on star wars episode 3, but it's also in the "art of" book where you can see Grievous always stood upright.

[@Jyxero]

It's a shame, I feel there's no need to compare them, cause Grievous weakness is still there (The Force); he could be what he's meant to be: A killing machine, nothing more, or less (Like 2003 version of course)

[@handsup5855]

CATCH THE LIGHTSABER ITSELF WITH HIS HAND!?

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

@@handsup5855 yeah, this was a thing in the old EU, but mostly restricted to Force-wielders, who used the Force to protect their hands.

[@dekelyosifon]

I hate what they did to Grievous ever since 2003, I'm glad people are starting to point it out, one of my favorite villains nerfed to the point of getting defeated by a group of Jar Jar Binks

[@TheNostradamusMMXII]

I think there was an episode where Windu almost crushes Grievous chest, I always thought that was the reason he coughs and can't fight in episode 3

[@dekelyosifon]

@@TheNostradamusMMXII I dont care if they have a reason in the story it's still such a waste of an awesome character

[@TheNostradamusMMXII]

@@dekelyosifon can't argue that

[@seanreynolds7369]

Lego Star wars is the exception

[@UsedToBeRonin]

I feel it my dude, I always have to specify 2003 CW Grievous when people ask who my favorite Star Wars character is.

[@jamesherrick5243]

Everybody talking about Grevious but no one mentioning his bodyguards being absolute shit sinks in the micro series. Unlike in ROTS where they would fight like toddlers with equilibrium issues.

[@davidshea6272]

Yeah the magnaguards are no jokes in the miniseries. They tear through clones and hold of jedi with just remorseless, machine precision. And you knew that where the magnaguard was, Grevious was probably moments away.

[@AJadedLizard]

Magna Guards were meant to be able to kill Jedi on their own, without Grievous. They're basically a squad of minibosses. You fight two individually in Republic Commando and it takes your entire squad to bring them down...each.

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

But they were OPtimized only after EP.3. There is no reason to blame the movie. It just introduced them for later development. Btw in that scene they faced two os the best swordsmen in the galaxy. Anakin and Obi Wan were far from the average Jedi skill level.

[@darthcerebus]

@@miguelmontenegro3520 Not to mention their styles were drastically different from others, despite being standard styles of maximum offense and defense, they adapted them to their own personal liking, which is how Obi-wan managed to defeat Grievous. While Grievous knew every single style because of the training and built his style around countering them entirely, Obi-wan's style was different enough that even knowing how to counter it normally, it was warped and he didn't have the ability to adapt to it. And with Anakin's, looking at how he beat his MagnaGuard, his style is all about big strength enhanced strikes to wear down an opponent and force their weapon into uncomfortable angles, but beats it with a small quick stab that he carries through the entire droid.

[@Shatamx]

@@miguelmontenegro3520 Combat droids like that would adapt very quickly to any fighter. More so ones that have fought Jedi for the past X years. Doesn't matter how Stong Obi and Anakin are or what style they used. They would of been matched quickly. Issue is Lucas can't bother having droids in the way of its main stars actors during the prequels. So droids end up becoming fodder. Regardless what they are. Or experience. Even Grievous shared the same fate. Guessing because Lucas saw him as a droid. xD

[@eshinnightrunner6290]

2D grievous: i defeated several jedi masters at once without even using my second pair of arms 3D grievous: help a group of gungan nailed me to the ground and now im captured

[@darthcerebus]

Also 3D Grievous: Help, a couple clones roped my arms and now my legs are gone because I couldn't defend myself against 2 Jedi.

[@sunshotwithanornament2475]

I love clone wars but I wish grievous was more menacing

[@TheHero136]

ROTS Grievous: Is referred to as a character that runs and hides as he always does and has a severe case of lung cancer.

[@DragonKnightX12]

One thing I really like too was showing that the Arc Troopers like Captain Fordo could be just as badass as the Jedi. They also showed there was only really a handful of Jedi that were uber powerful.

[@BatmanSeRiedeTi]

"We are being overrun, repeat we are being overrun!!" Proceeds to open a whole can of kickass!

[@hariman7727]

"I'm not a Jedi! I can only take on half an army by myself... and they sent TWO armies just for me! A little help here?!"

[@GalaxyDogenut]

“Hurry, get to the ship!”

[@maxhydekyle2425]

After finally watching Primal, I've come to realize that everything Genndy makes is amazing.

[@KorruptKitsune]

“Space wizards swinging glow sticks and waving their hands to knock over kitchen appliances” is probably the best summary of Star Wars I’ve ever heard

[@turtletipper1851]

"a cartoon where space wizards with glowsticks waved their hands to knock over kitchen appliances holding M4s." that sentence sums up the clone wars perfectly.

[@williansnobre]

I want Gendy Tartakovsky to make a WH40k animated series

[@wisdommanari6701]

*Ahem* BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[@KillerOrca]

...holy fuck. GIVE.

[@slyfoxcub6578]

Considering that 40k is designed to tell a galactic cosmic horror space opera via relatively short character-driven stories, 2003 Clone wars is the perfect proof of concept. You know he would take the 'unstoppable killing machine' he applied to Grievous to make Space Marines just as terrifying and crank it up to 17 to make the Primarchs absolutely horrific in the best way possible. Imagine the scene in Master of Prospero where Magnus gets half his chest blown off and proceeds to psychically wreck the shit out of everything in the vicinity while breathing his own vaporized blood as the massive gaping hole where half his ribcage used to be slowly heals. Now imagine it animated by Tartakovsky. Gimme. And the gore and horror. Samurai Jack Season 5 and Primal did them so well, I feel like I can leave the grimdark safely in Genndy's hands.

[@SGT.Skinny]

@slyfox cub. Thats part of why the Astartes videos are so great. Short, concise, action driven, but not devoid of substance. Get the astartes guy and gendy together and we'd get the best animation duo for 40k possible

[@s-o-u-p6095]

@@SGT.Skinny Astartes has more world building than lots of medias, with next to no dialogue. Who doesn't love visual story telling

[@spoopyd.8910]

Grievous used to be a monster man. They didn't do right by him when they turned him into an idiot

[@Shatamx]

Biggest let down of Ep 3 was Grievous. Watched that show in high school then joined the military a few years later. I remember seeing ep 3 with a bunch of friends I made in basic training in an on base theater. 2 months after release. I was so happy I can finally watch that movie. Most of them didn't see the 03 series. I hyped up Grievous the entire trip. Then when we walked out "Dude that robot jedi flat out stunk!" Sigh.

[@prophetofbeans6781]

Mace Windu's cash register sounds as he beats up the super battle droids will always be my favorite part of his episodes

[@themightyalpaca313]

That Ventress scene, where she takes out the Clones, was both hilarious (Clone goes cartwheeling through the air) and terrifying, showing just how powerful and strong she is *before* she draws her blades

[@christianresel8051]

And gets utterly BEATEN by Anakin, that even pulls THROUGH her force push, not even slowing down in the hit, showing and hinting what he truly is capable of. That Anakin in any TCW episode of the 2008, lets call it remake, ? He would have EATEN Dokuu and Ventres TOGETHER and not sweat!

[@Slaker117]

I appreciate your argument about how The Clone Wars' strength is in showing the larger conflict across the galaxy, but I want to celebrate it's smaller scale storytelling as well. I think it's the best portray of Anakin across the franchise, hands down. They succeed at making him credibly powerful and talented while keeping him a brat without being cringy. As he matures he becomes a true hero, genuinely righteous, but dangerously so. His dips into darkness are exciting and frightening because of how invested you as the viewer become in his descent. You know you loved it when Anakin, with his missing hand, choked that dude, even though you knew it meant tragedy. It's exactly the same character Lucas was trying to make, but didn't know how. Turns out if you bypass the dialogue that's telling the audience "no really, he's an interesting character" and instead show them with striking, poetic visuals, it works way better.

[@AndreNitroX]

Well said

[@bellowingsilence]

The 2008 series didn’t exactly know how to do that either. They basically just turned him into what felt like a different character to make him likable. Not bad, but... not necessarily believable as a continuation of what came before, nor is it believable that he becomes the man we see in episode 3. 2003 CW Anakin seems like the character Lucas was actually trying and failing to make at the time, while 2008 Anakin feels like the character they were trying to make us imagine Anakin had once been back in the OT.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Ghost hand!

[@NiteCyper]

Show, don't tell. Mimesis vs diegesis. In a radio drama, you are limited to audio. Which means story-telling primarily via character dialogue. The equivalent of "show, don't tell" in radio is the clever use of sound effects to imply what is happening, allowing the audience to fill in the rest with their imagination, which = immersion. In visual arts, you are limited to the visual medium. Unless you are willing to use text to communicate dialogue, like comics do with speech bubbles. In narrative literature, you are limited to text. Chuck Palahniuk, author of Fight Club, poses a challenge to writers to avoid using thought verbs: >you can’t write: Kenny wondered if Monica didn’t like him going out at night…” >Instead, you’ll have to Un-pack that to something like: “The mornings after Kenny had stayed out, beyond the last bus, until he’d had to bum a ride or pay for a cab and got home to find Monica faking sleep, faking because she never slept that quiet, those mornings, she’d only put her own cup of coffee in the microwave. Never his.” >Instead of saying: “Adam knew Gwen liked him.” >You’ll have to say: “Between classes, Gwen was always leaned on his locker when he’d go to open it. She’d roll her eyes and shove off with one foot, leaving a black-heel mark on the painted metal, but she also left the smell of her perfume. The combination lock would still be warm from her ass. And the next break, Gwen would be leaned there, again.” Imply, don't explain. Be implicit, not explicit. Only hint at it. Understand what you're trying to get across, then imagine how you will convey that to your audience in an artful, creative, indirect way. litreactor.com/essays/chuck-palahniuk/nuts-and-bolts-%E2%80%9Cthought%E2%80%9D-verbs P.S. You can be explicit. The point is to practise other skills of story-telling, poetic devices, etc.. A novice breaks the rules because they don't know how to follow them. A master breaks the rules because they've already mastered them. You can't get better with a needle if all you ever use is a hammer. Or something.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

@@NiteCyper Chuck Palahniuk is not a fan of Tom Swiftleys, then.

[@curioussquid8279]

"A cartoon where space wizards with glowsticks wave their hand to knock over kitchen appliances holding m4's" is the literal best sentence anyone on Earth has ever spoken. gg

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

The way I have described the Jedi of the microseries to people is "They are the purest form of the Jedi" but I like the "Boiled down to the essence" analysis presented. I also never thought of General Grievous as supposed to be a tool to help us understand just how powerful the Sith are. That even though he's an apex predator in the show, he's nothing against what's really coming.

[@technicaldeathmetalhead]

It's called the "Worf Effect". It's like how Jurassic Park 3 let us know that Spinosaurus was the deadliest threat. We all know that T-Rex is the big bad in Jurassic Park and Jurassic Park 2. How do they up the ante? Make Spinosaurus kill T-Rex in 2 seconds. I'm pretty sure if they were to really fight T-Rex would win but you get the point. Same goes for new clone wars Maul and Sidious. We see Maul is strong and literally survived being sliced in half AND falling. No biggie that doesn't scare him. What scares him is Darth Sidious who makes him beg for mercy .. while laughing

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

@@technicaldeathmetalhead If T-Rex was hero, than the Worf Effecr would apply. The Worf Effect really only applies to a situation where a hero character who is known to be strong is beaten down by a new character to show just how serious a threat they. Thanos wrecking Hulk at the start of _Infinity War_ or Bane breaking Batman's back in _The Dark Knight Rises_ are perfect examples. It doesn't deal with the escalation of villain toughness outside of that.

[@technicaldeathmetalhead]

@@ignitetheinferno1858 those are excellent examples but I'm pretty sure it applies regardless of the character's alignment. It's more for quick introductions.

[@matthewbibby8921]

@@technicaldeathmetalhead not quite. The Word effect specifically refers to when a characters who's SUPPOSED to be strong is made laughable by constantly being taken out by threats to show how strong they are. Darth Maul isn't a victim of the Word effect because he's not ruined by his defeats, but rather they're intentional to show his shortcomings as a character. If we're being real, Maul is possibly the best written villain in star wars period, and his failures where a direct result of character flaws that he failed to overcome. While he became overshadowed by greater threats within the universe of the story, he didn't become redundant in the story itself, but rather was used to tell a tragic story of his fall from grace, and how he became left behind like the rest of the clone wars. It's not the Word effect because his being left behind was acknowledged as part of the story and world he was in, not just glossed over, and he didn't become any more pathetic by the end than was intentional for his characterisation.

[@AndreNitroX]

I feel the Jedi were always misportrayed in all the live action films because we could never see their truest potential, animation reveals that

[@roberturquiza3013]

I remember being 4 watching this in 2008 with my dad and seeing grevious for the first time and asking "Why can't he use the force?" And my dad just responded "He doesn't need to," He wasn't gonna explain that grevious didn't have midiclorains to a baby or anything, but it just made grevious seem so much more like a beast

[@Aichi1138]

Captain Fordo: SEND REINFORCEMENTS TO SECTOR 4! *Draws blaster Pistol* But not for me

[@michealhaines]

Is this a simulation?

[@sportyeight7769]

That scene with that clone is BURNT in my memory. Baddest MF ever

[@Bashman20]

@@sportyeight7769 thats the guy that when you enter a lobby he has like 50 kills and no deads. TRUE CARRY!

[@villie86]

@@Bashman20 Fordo is a legend. He survived fighting Durge AND Grievous and took on thousands of droids. ARC troopers are the coolest thing I've seen from that series.

[@elijahbowers1]

I understand a lot of people love the 3D clone wars and respect that even though it's never caught on for me but why isn't this series talked about more?! Why isn't it canon anymore?! It's soooo stinking good.

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

ikr! even cosmonaut, who talked about Samurai Jack and a lot of Star Wars content, especially animated ones like TCW and Rebels never mentioned CW...

[@AlonzoTompkins]

You can blame Disney and Lucas Film for trimming out everything from before the CG show that wasn’t the movies.

[@moonflower813]

Ultimately, it's not canon because TCW is. The two shows' timelines don't line up at all. So one was always going to be canon over the other, and the 2008 show won out. That's not to say both shows don't have strengths and aren't awesome in their own ways. I do wish both could have been canon.

[@peskymacaw9033]

@@moonflower813 You can say that the first two seasons of the 2003 CW take place before the 2008 CW series and movie in the time line, and the 3rd season taking place after the 6th season of the 2008 CW... until the 7th season came out, but still; the first two seasons of the 2003 one can still fit befire the 2908 one.

[@cloudhazard2860]

I wish Captain Fordo met Rex

[@salemnightlark8161]

I recognized and felt an emotional response the moment I saw Shak-Ti on screen despite not having seen the series in years but it took me a full minute to remember who General Hux even was and I saw those films last week

[@ellisanderson4925]

Gendy Tartakovsky is a master of showing emotion and stories without dialogue. For example,”primal” is a masterpiece with an incredible story and not a single word of dialogue.

[@BabyThor420]

This series was my clone wars. As much as I enjoyed the "actual" series, this one was so much better. Even Grievous' cough makes sense. I would have loved to see some of these episodes realized as a full clone wars episode. Or seen Grievous as the actual tactical genius he was supposed to be.

[@motor4X4kombat]

Or better yet, don't talk a LOT. I mean i know dialogue Is important to develop character, but visual story telling Is a rich tool too something you don't need endless exposition monologues to tell a story. By god how many expostion scenes are in the mandalorian? You just need the right amount of dialogue to add stuff the world building. -mandalorian? What pitty race. -mandalorians aren't a race, its a creed. BUM i learn More about the mandalorians in that exchange than anything in the clone wars.

[@CaptainAmercia]

@@motor4X4kombat that Ashoka moment with the child just saying nothing was honestly one of my favourite moments

[@motor4X4kombat]

Jedi Mandalore wich one the one where she was teaching him to use the force with the ball?

[@CaptainAmercia]

@@motor4X4kombat before that the scene where they speak through the force just silence, beautiful cinematography, and music.

[@hasthehighground8560]

It like isn’t better though. It’s really fucking good and the animation and fight scenes are great but like compare that to the 5 seasons of character arcs and plot lines of the Clone Wars show expanding on the clones and character in the prequels retroactively making them better it just doesn’t compare. Now what we should all want is the plot lines of the 3D Clone Wars with the animation of the 2003 series

[@Sword_of_Saint_14]

At this point, give Tartakovsky a big budget, all the animators money can buy and make a full trilogy of Old Republic animated for the big screen. Edit: Mom I am famous now :0. Thank you for the likes guys. Stay safe and healthy.

[@mani_saber]

I think Disney haven't seen your comment yet because there is no other reason for this not happening

[@BruhMoment-ft5vv]

No, they're just blind. Blind to the sheer potential of this ideam

[@Icanonlycountto4]

Disney hates good ideas

[@crowstar9069]

Dude what are they waiting for?

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

But the whole video is about TV being a better medium for the franchise than film.

[@wobblefoot7607]

It's a Samurai Western set in space. An episodic lay out like those old Kung fu shows. Gives you more time to digest whats going on- Character episodes, Lore episodes. Also Genndy Tartakovsky.

[@AndreNitroX]

There was only one Kung Fu show

[@Jdudec367]

@@AndreNitroX what show was that?

[@AndreNitroX]

@@Jdudec367 the one with david carradine, "Kung Fu"

[@Jdudec367]

@@AndreNitroX Ok just looked it up. It does exist

[@AndreNitroX]

@@Jdudec367 its a good show, its like the mandalorian show

[@dylanthrillmour866]

For years I refused to accept Filoni’s take on Clone Wars. I hated it in the cinema and thought it was childish in comparison. I loved the micro show. It was MY show and Filoni was an imposter. It’s only recently I’ve actually accepted they’re both amazing and great at showcasing the world of Star Wars. But Tartakovsky seems to have been tossed aside and forgotten and needs more love. Without his take, we probably would’ve never got Filoni.

[@pieterandjuanchronicles9849]

The movie was shit but the show was great

[@RM-jq5vi]

Well, the 2003 series was a lot more childish. It had more silly moments like when windu flew the vulture droid by holding it’s wires, and it never presented anything deep. And, it WAS created for the sole purpose of selling toys.

[@johnholland8044]

@@RM-jq5vi at no point is it as childish as 2008 cw lol

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@RM-jq5vi Still talking shit, huh? A group of astromechs saving the galaxy is about a million times more childish than flying a Vulture droid.

[@RM-jq5vi]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 that was everyones least favorite arc… And it only makes up 4 out of 133 episodes. It didn’t even seem that childish tbh. And I just said that it was incredibly silly and stupid and only one example of that, it’s been a while since I’ve watched but I do remember some incredibly silly moment between padme and 3po right after.

[@vwolf2]

First off, thank you so very much for acknowledging that Star Wars has been a mess for a very long time. I've felt the same way as well. Secondly, the fact that this clone wars series isn't canon any longer upsets me. Thanks for all the hard work.

[@louche2388]

title: _why the 2003 clone wars hit different_ *thumbnail: shows clone bodies hitting things*

[@jefferybrown6473]

3:18 Who else rewinded on the clone trooper getting flipped like a pancake.

[@marcorubio4628]

Over easy lol

[@kjj26k]

THE NOISE

[@joelsasmad]

OH GOD THAT MAN IS BROKEN!

[@doc_sav]

This series was a transcendent work not just for Star Wars, but animation as a whole.

[@th3d3liv3ryman6]

11:13 oh god he called clone troopers . Storm troopers

[@taejo4975]

Captain Fordo is probably the most badass clone in the entire Star Wars universe

[@LucyWest370]

I think that’s why he wasn’t brought back for 2008, he wasn’t a character, he was just a one man seven nation army.

[@MrAnakin51]

Sev.

[@rodneylane952]

This microseries is what turned me into a Star Wars fan

[@toeseater2855]

The 2003 CW clip of Greivous destroying a squad of jedis was one of my first exposure to SW besides the original trilogy, he instantly became my favorite character and my blood literally boiled when he got nerfed into oblivion in ROTS and the CW 3d series, damn you Lucas

[@Vigriff]

I think it was this that made me start seeing George in a negative light. Not that I hate him, just really don't like his handling of things.

[@fictiontheorizer1991]

@@Vigriff George Lucas may not have been a bad guy, but his handling of a lot of stuff was really poor. I honestly wonder if he was just sick of the series by the end.

[@Vigriff]

@@fictiontheorizer1991 I wouldn't be surprised considering how long Star Wars has lasted and how the fandom can be.

[@fictiontheorizer1991]

@@Vigriff True. It doesn't help that literally any troll can jump on and be a 'fan'. Or that it can take years for some people to catch on to bad writing, and then they will try to pretend like the writing declined as opposed to always being trash.

[@alphanerdgames9417]

I stopped watching the 2nd clone wars because of that and Asoka. I know, I know it gets better much later, but they broke the established lore and made something different. Once that happened, I lost all interested. Trust was broken.

[@M.T.Z.P]

Genndy Tartakowsky is a master of animation and storytelling.

[@millicentarban5377]

"storm troopers" while showing ARCS made me tear up and not in a good way. Gotta give fordo and the crew more credit than that

[@gabeg.5310]

Amen, I went looking for a comment like this as soon as I heard and saw that

[@HenryM912]

Not even regular clone troopers, but storm troopers... the disrespect is real

[@Noblepeanut]

CLONE WARS, its right in the title, and he still screwed it up!!

[@cdmxvii5614]

I cringed HARD

[@AlexanderDiviFilius]

I mean, they likely became Stormtroopers, unless they defected. ARCs had more independence, so they could have disobeyed Order 66, but it’s unlikely.

[@elinaragon5051]

I still remember when the season 1 finale came out and after everything I had just watched, Grievous annihilates a whole group of Jedi, some of whom were on the council, just by himself and it wasn’t even close. It was as scary as anything I had seen up until that point and I was pacing around my room afterwards wondering how he could possibly be defeated and what was going to happen next. And it was all done through mostly visual/context based storytelling. You were just immediately invested and immersed. That’s why this show will always hold a special place in my heart

[@BenjaminSteber]

The fact that the clone wars tv series adopted the stylized designs of the shorts is all the proof I need to say that they made something that literally redefined how Star Wars looked and how it was to be presented.

[@Aunwerion]

This show is why Shaak Ti is my favorite Star Wars character. Home girl is an absolute unit🔥

[@Skeletor-hl9jd]

Until she died in like, every other piece of star wars media

[@Aunwerion]

@@Skeletor-hl9jd They did her soooo wrong I was mad as hell when they kept killing her😭😭

[@spapolaris6479]

@@Aunwerion they replaced her with ahsoka, same alien race

[@Aunwerion]

@@spapolaris6479 Which is fine because I do love Ahsoka! I just wish we had more prominent members of from the Togruta race

[@pennyforyourthots]

@@Skeletor-hl9jd Doesn't she have like four different death scene just between The movies and the 3D Clone Wars series lol? I think she also has one and one of the Force Unleashed games. Girl can't catch a break

[@woundedhealer8575]

That clip with the red clone trooper STILL gives me chills to this day.

[@thereallocke8065]

This is the reason I tend to like the expanded universe. I haven't gotten into the new one but the old one was weird and wild. You had all sorts of stories from zombie stories to military scifi to political intrigue, more high fantasy style stuff that focuses on philosophy and the force, noir stores, and more but it made since within this idea of "a galaxy far far away"

[@Noone-qs5jt]

Yeah that's why I like the clone wars 2008 a lot too because it also has all those kinds of different stories that have nothing to do with each other but make sense within the universe

[@thereallocke8065]

@@Noone-qs5jt I recently watched the 2008 one for the first time. It had a lot of things wrong with it and some parts just sucked but the good parts were very good. I enjoyed the stuff with Ashoka pulling away the simple black and white aspects of the conflict. I liked the clone troopers stories and their bonds of brotherhood in a galaxy just using them as fodder.

[@Noone-qs5jt]

@@thereallocke8065 well as you say, clone wars also has zombie, military and political intrigue stories and more fantastic stories about exploring the force and its aspects, it's not just ahsoka and the clones' development that makes the show great, but how many layers it adds to the overall star wars universe

[@thereallocke8065]

@@Noone-qs5jt it did have a number of great things that added depth but the stiff that was bad tended to hurt it way too much.

[@gonaye1]

13:20 dude, you have completely captured every reason why I loved the animated clone wars so much. The moment you culminated your essay with Grievous, I started golf clapping, lol! Excellent, excellent job with this essay.

[@drivernephi1002]

The scene with captain fordo saying that he’s overrun and blasting the shit out of droids was and still is my favourite scene in any Star Wars medium ever

[@hariman7727]

I think he said "WE"RE being overrun!"... HE'S holding off an entire army by himself though.

[@1987palerider]

Captain Fordo is the 🐐

[@spethmanjones2997]

The direction of this series was truly phenomenal-so much meaning conveyed in every scene just by the visuals. The people who made this series were truly amazing at what they do.

[@Overlordough1201]

I remember when I read this Star Wars comic styled like the Star Wars cartoon. It had Ventress and Durge searching through Dooku's private collection, searching for a possible thief or assassin. Turns out it was Grievous who _kicked their asses!_ It was basically Grievous' 'interview' for becoming a General in the Seperatists. It was just so...effortless.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

Not exactly effortless, seeing how both Durge and Ventress got to land two hits on Grievous, but in the end, in General's own words: "Victory was never in question".

[@zjoh1560]

The good old Clone Wars Adventures comics! I think I’ve still got them somewhere in my house.

[@darthcerebus]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 Hell, the hits might have been intentional to give them the idea they could actually win and give them false hope XD

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@darthcerebus Well the entire fight was a play. He started out with a non lethal weapon and could've just instantly dismembered his opponents in the beginning, when he sneaked up on them.

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

YEAH! The comics were the shit

[@threesofthree6100]

Genndy Tartakovsky is an absolute genius and a blessing to the art of animation as a whole.

[@Scar-letting]

Oh hell yeah. Finally, *somebody* makes an analysis video on the skill of Gendy Tartakovsky’s Clone wars. It’s horribly underrated, and I’ve been referencing it since I saw it back in 2006. No disrespect to Clone wars 3D, but this shit is still awesome.

[@diobrando5896]

3d isn't that good I can't stand what they did to Grievous. And Darth Maul is Hit or Miss for me

[@corruptangel6793]

The two versions are polar opposites of eachother. What we needed was some kind of balance between the two. The epicness and ferocity of the 2003 version, and the humanity and emotion of the 2008 version. The 2003 does have emotion and humanity, but not nearly enough. TCW has action, but it wasn't epic the way the 2003 CW was.

[@abramsullivan7764]

You think

[@corruptangel6793]

@Tom Ffrench he *lost* his duel to Eeth Koth (which is the master i think you're referring to) and only captured Koth because of his magna guards. He kills 1 Jedi the entire series, and that Jedi was established to only have just reached Knighthood, meaning Nahdar was more akin to an elite Padawan than a true Knight. Also, that genocide was done by his droid army. He killed like 2 or 3 witches and then promply lost to Ventress, then once his droids saved him, finished off an old witch huddled over a cauldreon by walking into a room and stabbing her in the back. His forces also outnumbered the witches like 100 to 1, there was no other outcome in that fight so it could hardly be considered anything worth praise. Grievous was pathetic and all but useless in TCW. He could've been a great foil to Anakin and Kenobi, defeating the Republic everytime he was on screen, but the show turned him into a joke and unintentionally ruined any tension his battle with Obi-Wan in ROTS otherwise had by having the two constantly fight despite ROTS all but stating otherwise.

[@Clorox-enjoyer]

2003 grievous: drinks the tears of the fallen jedi General grievous now: runs away from a fight he can win

[@uhobme2028]

Anakin's Vader Prophecy lost me some nights of sleep as a kid. Still rather haunting.

[@marcusangelomunoz756]

I don't know why I love 3:22 so much *because* it subverts expectations. You expect a comedic scene where the clone trooper flies off, the walking one turns around, shrugs, and continues walking; but *NO,* mid flight while you're still predicting the comedic scene the walking trooper DIES, adding to the mystery and shock to the scene while keeping and taking itself seriously

[@rustyshackelford4224]

Great scene...

[@estavel117]

The one thing I hate is that Greivous went from a terrifying monster to a vaudevillian doofus One could take down an entire squad of Jedi without any trouble and the other basically gets in a few swings, twirls his mustache and runs off like he actually accomplished something

[@KingNirada]

2003 Grievous: I'm going to do what i've come here to do, and there's nothing you or any jedi masster can do to stop me. why? to get your hype for episode 3 of course! Episode 3 Grievous: I'm going to do whatever my athsma allows me to do without upstaging the main cast. Clone War Grievous: I'm going to- _Fails._ But I- _Fails._ Is that a Gungan?! _Fails._ Oh c'mon!

[@hasthehighground8560]

I just find it funny how every comment is on Grevious like yeah Clone Wars 3D Grevious sucked but literally everything else doesn’t

[@RM-jq5vi]

why? to sell toys of course. also, again, why is literally every single comment here about grievous being cool. A character being cool, doesn’t make them good. And having a few characters that are cool, doesn’t make a show good.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@hasthehighground8560 Though it actually does suck, and that's the problem. Grievous is not the only ruined TCW character that people should talk about.

[@hasthehighground8560]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 it really doesn’t all for different tastes and options but it’s not bad you just don’t like it

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@hasthehighground8560 Tastes, opinions... The subjective things. I prefer not to operate with them. Simply disliking something would not be very objective. But taking the show apart and viewing it's elements separately allows for a much cleaner picture. And that picture is - every single character or faction that TCW 2008 did not invent and took from other content is objectively inferior to their Clone Wars Multimedia Project counterparts.

[@darthripper_6573]

Who remembers those flash games that would release after the episodes?

[@maxell149]

use to freaking love the lightsber duel game.

[@darthripper_6573]

@chatterer21 I remember having trouble with the Obi-Wan one as well haha 😄

[@freddogrosso9835]

God, yes.

[@cristianrios8804]

Director: we need to squeeze every second Also Director: 13:09 Me: worthy AF

[@MR.LMR1996]

TV shows, games and books have two major strengths that movies lack: Time and length. You can cram a hell of a lot more stuff for the characters and stories to do in those mediums then you can in films. Which is also one of the biggest reasons that movies that are adapted from pre-existing tv shows don't do to hot if they're a direct adaptation instead of an expansion of the original source material. (For example the My Hero Academia movies are an example of a movie based on a pre-existing series done right, as they tell their own stories that meld into the main series, as live action adaptations of say Dragonball or Attack on Titan films are examples of it done wrong, since they're trying to compress their lore into a time-span that is to short to work with compared to the original source material they're based off of) But with TV Shows, books and video games? You got a much wider stage to work with for your worlds and characters. With TV shows you can cut everything up into 30 to 60 minute long cuts from each other. And games these days are expected to have massive time completions to them. An 8 hour long game is considered extremely short for that medium. Especially if it's an RPG-based game. And books speak for themselves. You can jam hours or even day's worth of material for someone to read in them. Far more so then you can with a movie.

[@Avenger85438]

Stargate is a good example of expanding on an established film. I think they tried with Robocop and Time Cop as well, but Stargate was the only one to really shine as a series.

[@brandonalvarado97]

The entire Clone Wars cartoon was like 2 hrs long, that argument dosn't fit this

[@Snailirific]

But the 2003 Clone Wars wasn't really made to be a movie and if it was I think people would complain that the plot was rushed or that the pacing is off. Movies that change narrative too often are considered messy.

[@AndreNitroX]

While I love the 6 Star Wars movies it wasn’t until the tv shows, games and books that I became a true Star Wars fan and understood what Star Wars was capable of

[@TooFrost]

The fact that we can find and watch essay type videos of this high of a quality is astonishing to me. We watch people like this guy analyse topics that take so much time to research, plan and put together and all of that for free. I just can’t imagine having to analyse a piece of entertainment and put it in essay form and come up with something as well put together as this video. I’m truly grateful to be able to watch this video for free and can only applaud you for this amazing content. Truly. 🙏🏽

[@leopierreventura22]

This. God bless the Internet age we are living in!

[@maximevigneron560]

2003's Clone Wars may be my favorite SW content, I'm so happy you talk about it.

[@yanivproselkov4555]

Seriously I have never seen something so brutally cool as Grievous slamming a jedi's face into the dirt with his feet, then killing more with 3 lightsabers. It still, STILL stands as my favourite fight scene.

[@popejpv]

Captain Fordo was a highlight in and of himself

[@kokonotsuu7]

Basically: animation >>>>>> live action. No CGI, practical effects or anything will ever make live action be as cool as animations can be.

[@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV]

So true. It's ridiculous how many people still treat live action as superior to animation. And - probably because of that - that so many new Star Wars series are live-action... some time ago when I first heard about Mandalorian I was actually hyped... but then I get to know it will be live action... ane well I didn't even started watching it yet.

[@ForestWizardLookingForPotion]

@@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV did you even watch the video? The guy spent like a 5th of it praising The Mandalorian??

[@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV]

@@ForestWizardLookingForPotion Yeah I watched... so what? it didn't change a fact it would be so much better as animation, which I initially thought it be, but then comes my greatest disappointment in history of Star Wars.

[@JohnMHC]

@@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV Look I, too, advocate the superiority of animation to live action every single time but to say that Mando being live action killed your hype of it is a rather myopic view. It was done incredibly well - so much so that I never stopped to think that it would be better in animation. Would it be better? Likely. Does that mean it's a show that should be slept on because of a missed opportunity? Not in a thousand years.

[@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV]

@@JohnMHC perhaps not. But I have some catch ups to do in regard of animation, which have higher priority to me. Like the last season of Clone Wars.

[@blakegaskill]

Im dying for someone to give Primal love. Genndy uses the rule of cool, and never numbs that feeling. Id love to see you breakdown an episode of that, mainly because it uses no words. Love your content!

[@joonamato]

Royal ocean film society had a Primal video!

[@SuperSaiyanD48]

Check out Alteori.

[@Asummersdaydreamer14]

The thrill ride that was Primal made me a bit more forgiving to the parts of the Samurai Jack return/S5 that irked me. Because I’d rather have him and his people making gorgeous animation rather than scrutinize over some story weaknesses. Also, dinosaurs are always cool.

[@swordtax]

I heard about the all the star wars series that the Clones can't aim the target but in star wars the Clone wars 2003 look how they can aim like a well trained badass soilders. Why can't Disney treat the clones and stormtroopers like this?

[@202cardline]

Clones were phased out of the Imperial army in favor of 'recruiting' because of the cost of cloning, Kamino rebelled, unstable clones, ect. The orignal trilogy stormtroopers canonically could not hit the broad side of a barn, but at that point during BBY most stormtroopers were not clones. The clones were always the better fighters. There's a moment in The Mandalorian where an ex-imperial sniper said you can't see anything out of the helmets, so take that into consideration if you want. Hmm maybe because the clones came from Jango Fett's DNA the clones were genetically predisposed to be able to fight well with a bucket on their head since they came from a Mandaloian 😂

[@Sephiroth144]

@@202cardline Also canon: "And these blast points, too accurate for sand people. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise." I mean, the general theory is the Stormtroopers in ANH weren't trying to kill the heroes, just chase them off so they could find the big Rebel fish. But some consistency would've been nice, (either they're great shots or they're not- or at least have the "don't actually hit them" line drop); which is hinted at by both Tarkin (Are they away) and Leia (They let us go).

[@ryon5174]

@@Sephiroth144 wasn’t there a lot of interpretations as to why the Stormers apparently can hit their targets? Honestly if that was the running trope they shouldn’t have been able to establish a large military power in the first place However I do remember in ANH about Ben fearing their accuracy warning Luke about it And throughout the movie I vaguely remember a few things like Vader ordering not to kill any of the main cast, or set their weapons to stun, alongside the stuff you mentioned Outside of the movies though there’s been various inconsistencies about it Some lines in games say that you can’t see through the helmet, and sometimes it’s the E-11 being faulty Some theorize it’s the force guiding the characters, like how it went for Chirrut I personally always believe the last one of all of them

[@ulty1472]

Filoni.

[@nicholashouse4261]

Can't remember where it is, but I read an article where a guy did the math and figured out that the movie stormtroopers are actually more accurate than the U.S. military. Shooting moving targets in the heat of battle is difficult.