THIS is illegal in NASCAR...

[@Lionlover666]

"I know they're cheating because we're cheating and we can't catch them"

[@illegalopinions4082]

Where's this line from please

[@CodeNameGravy]

My grandma said this

[@urdnotdank2642]

NASCAR sucks now it’s dead

[@NINacide]

Youd make a good casino pit boss

[@bensalvador113]

@@illegalopinions4082 .

[@rocked-upclover1479]

Just round the sharp corner, and make it stock, so people won’t have to modify it

[@Morphasella]

Agree! Put bearings on them

[@chrismofer]

if they cared about aerodynamics it would be F1 racing

[@JohnDoe-ji5wg]

It would probably still cut tires even if it was rounded

[@Gen5g23]

@@JohnDoe-ji5wgso u mean to tell me a non sharp rounded edge is gonna cut through a tough rubber tire

[@Declan_Meehan]

@@chrismoferbro it’s nascar… the whole sport is about aerodynamics lmfao

[@TG-sg1eo]

"Welcome to our new NASCAR ARENA!"

[@ZVPieGuy]

After they made it illegal the teams figured out that if you make a hard right turn from the apron on to the banking when you leave the pits the side skirts will similarly flare out, and they couldn't make it illegal since it happened on the track. With the new generation of car the skirts are now composite rather than steel so the trick doesn't work anymore. They just flex back into their original shape instead of staying flared out.

[@bigalsrailroad]

2014 called and wanted its 10 year old news story back

[@b.1922]

"I know he's cheating because I'm cheating and he's faster"

[@DaleDenton-ov5pg]

Its only benefical on tracks where down force is more adventageous than top end speed

[@jigoku1222]

Or we could do the fun version and make it a crach derby race with a lot of spikes and metal on the cars and of cause explosians and stuff like that

[@michael75884]

so am i really the only the one that noticed the michael myers theme music lol smh

[@iiTsFaded_]

Remember guys: when there’s an exploit, Hendrick is usually the first one to abuse it

[@thomasratigan]

Gibbs is right there with Hendrick 😂😂

[@bball4lif78]

If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!

[@randomyoutubename19]

Well yeah....

[@Dia_9]

Everyone is cheating because they were doing it

[@The.void_is_coming]

Yea they want to win, the cheating goes from HMS to Spire

[@blakewood1012]

That’s literally how NASCAR was started. Guys found ways to be faster than the others until the changed the rules

[@xdeadwrongxdeadwrong7181]

Pin this comment please 🙏

[@SpektrikMusic]

That's exactly how f1 worked too

[@brandcack4117]

@@SpektrikMusicthat’s still how F1 works

[@richardcranium3579]

Until they made life “fair”…..quit watching when they went full on woke

[@flamekiller3338]

@@richardcranium3579 who asked

[@jstudios0924]

The Halloween theme casually playing in the background 😂😂😂

[@MADLAD_YouTube]

As soon I noticed that I tuned out whatever he was saying, I love that theme.

[@Iuffycs]

@@MADLAD_KZbin ikr

[@lucasbrown9713]

Illegally modifying cars for better performance is LITERALLY the spirit of nascar origins. Edit: I'm not suggesting a Death Race. I'm suggesting that the commission needs to listen to drivers demands for more downforce, implemented in a safe way. Alcohol prohibition led to the black market that created nascar, the same way strict regulations on stock cars only creates an environment where teams will cheat and find loopholes in dangerous ways.

[@valakarhtelgrem5210]

Yeah but we don't want people dying

[@lucasbrown9713]

​@@valakarhtelgrem5210who's dying from a 6 inch flare on a corner panel? Drivers are trying to improve the sport, commission should standardize it.

[@gredangeo]

@@lucasbrown9713 Did you not see Jeff Gordon's car spin out? Things can go a whole lot worse. Lucky he didn't flip over at some point.

[@JustAGooseman]

​@@gredangeoIf it got standardised it could be done in a way that it doesn't pose a risk. NASCAR implementing the restrictor plate was the beginning of the end for the sport, it just created identical drivetrains and frames, that are NOT adorned by stock car bodies, and ended up making a really boring sport.

[@gredangeo]

@@JustAGooseman It wouldn't matter what is standardized. It's a piece of metal sticking out, that able to tear tires. Anything short enough to not reach wouldn't have enough purpose.

[@morganmurphy38]

Also some team instead of having to pull on the skirt, would use a material for the skirt corner that would bend when it got hot from the exhaust pipe. That’s why some teams still had curved skirts even after NASCAR clamped down on the pit member bending it during a pitstop

[@BoleDaPole]

Oh wow that's really smart.

[@altaccount4697]

​@@BoleDaPoleF1 did something similar. They made wings out of a special carbon fiber that would bend and reduce drag at high speeds.

[@badgermetal]

Nitinol would be perfect for this but I'm not sure they had access to it back then.

[@DarkAttack14]

​@@badgermetalnitinol was made in the last 1950s

[@kulturkampf]

I heard they had built in a crease that once the car went under load on high speed tracks it would fold those skirts out too. Also I’ve heard about the 48 guys slamming tires into the right rear quarter panel on pit stops to create a dent which acted more like a side spoiler

[@bucky5869]

If it costs Jeff Gordon a win, it's illegal.

[@JRO_Lights]

Exactly lol ironic how the first car showed doing it was Jeff Gordon's

[@faded_7027]

Yeah, bro. I was thinking the same thing.

[@noahcollins5468]

​@@JRO_Lightsyeah them acting like Gordan wasn't like that

[@kramnull8962]

@@noahcollins5468 True, they caught Gordon after years of his team pulling the wheel opening out/up back in the 90's. Took them until 2003 to really say anything to him about it. Gary Nelson was moved to Head of Inspections for NASCAR ironically, in 1994. Which was a prior Hendrick Crew Chief.

[@Stephen-carr]

​@kramnull8962 pretty funny you think nascar was helping Gordon. Seeing Gordon and everham built a motor that was within the rules but was dominating so nascar banned his motors

[@simonm1447]

Formula one : we use wind tunnels to make aerodynamics as good as possible Nascar: just let us bend out that metal a little bit

[@bjw9529]

NASCAR uses wind tunnels all the time

[@humbleopionist4366]

All cars have to have the same body in nascar, welcome to stock car racing lmao

[@JB-423]

look into how nascar was created

[@darkmooink69]

F1 cars have to be compliant to the rules at the beginning and end of the race (and I think at all times during) because they have the freedom to have the body in any shape within the rules it wouldn’t make sense to change the body part way through the race.

[@xHICKORYx]

​@@darkmooink69NASCAR has the same rules, but in NASCAR "rubbing is racing" so "damage" has to be allowed for.

[@GWOAT]

Jeff Gordon's doing it to his own car so he has no complaints.

[@ihaveterribleeffectsgaming2511]

Its not Jeff Gordon he's retired that was William Byron driving that car

[@sulosnamor]

​@@ihaveterribleeffectsgaming2511 No. That was Jeff Gordon

[@Nunyarde_gaming]

@@sulosnamorno it’s William Byron

[@sulosnamor]

@@Nunyarde_gaming That wreck was at Texas Speedway in 2014, before Byron even raced for NASCAR. I know because I was actually at that race. Google is free people, use it

[@sulosnamor]

@Nunyarde_gaming That wreck was at Texas Speedway in 2014, before Byron even raced for NASCAR. I know because I was actually at that race. Google is free people, use it

[@NascarRacingFan5]

I preferred when the crew would just hipcheck the back part of the door to make the whole door have bend that acted in a similar way for side force

[@davidgl7677]

Remember "Punishable by fine" is legally fair if you can pay for it

[@rigon63]

No because there's usually a points penalty with it lol

[@nemui9654]

Been happening in other sports for years. Not exactly cheating but MJ did it in basketball with his shoe deal.

[@KikomochiMendoza]

Unless punishable by fine includes disqualification.

[@AmbroseBurnside1824]

@@rigon63 or they straight up stop scoring your driver(s)

[@boosthub3143]

“I know they cheating cause we cheating and we couldn’t catch them”

[@deeceevisuals]

NASCAR: “Heard you guys are trying to make your cars faster and easier to handle…we won’t tolerate that bullshit here”

[@austinthompson7466]

Brother, it popped someone's tire.

[@JakobEslinger]

​@@austinthompson7466skill issue

[@JaminArenas]

It was a safety concern, and it is very clearly not what Nascar wants on the track, just look at the faster gen 5 racecars.

[@Omarrr77]

So you're going to ignore that this advantage unfairly took out a championship contender by driving a vehicle not made to withstand a sharp, random.piece of metal sticking out ?

[@johnmarston1419]

Yes because it's so easy to handle your car when somebody just scraped on the side of you and now you have a popped tire because of it thats why homie spun out like that

[@wazega3610]

“quickly figured out” after over 70 years of nascar😂

[@ghomerhust]

that flap hasn't been there for 70 years. find me a 70 year old nascar with SIDE SKIRT AERO. sheesh.

[@gonelucid]

​@@ghomerhustuse your 🧠

[@DavidMadrigalMesa]

Older nascar Gens didn't have that part

[@minenhledlamini334]

@@gonelucidhe’s right tho, NASCAR only started using skirts with the gen 5

[@jo2832]

​@gonelucid u first bruv.

[@milesconerly5818]

It hurt Jeff Gordon's feelings... BANNED!

[@cavscout678]

And the next clip is the 24 car doing the exact same thing.

[@Infinite_tussle7]

Let's be honest Hendricks motorsports drivers and crew got balls

[@nicholaswhatts1380]

*are geniuses

[@Infinite_tussle7]

@@nicholaswhatts1380 my bad my bad

[@josegadon203]

I’m very curious as to how much downforce/performance doing this actually added

[@unknown23hornet22]

I believe it creates an outwash that pulls air from out from under the car and strengthens the ground effect. The floors in f1 operate with a similar principle.

[@andrewenriquez3138]

Just stick your hand out the window going 65 and then triple that force/speed for a comparison haha

[@everettstormy]

​@@andrewenriquez3138actually it's significantly greater. Like the above coment said, it pulls air out from under the car. So even a single psi removed could pull with several hundred pounds of vacuum

[@everythingeric1294]

⁠@@andrewenriquez3138yes, but no. Downforce is some math to do with surface area and pitch of the wing multiplied by the speed of the car squared. Important part of this being the speed squared. So if you were to stick your hand out at 3x the speed (195 mp/h) it would be about 9 times what you would experience at 65 mp/h.

[@skippingrhyme4386]

Its not downforce it's actually Side Force

[@JM3DICI]

That makes it so much more interesting. "Bending" the rules for a slight millisecond advantage.

[@nomansland1494]

“Everyone started to be copy cats” “It was the only way to keep up”

[@hotwheels9963]

It actually serves two purposes. It keeps guys away from your RR quarter panel, and as mentioned helps give an aero advantage.

[@fishinmagician3960]

I say keep all the regulations on engine transmission fuel and weight. Andy other modifications a team is smart enough to figure out over the other like something as simple as a small flared piece should be fair game. To me banning stuff like that is like a casino asking someone to leave cause they are smart enough to count cards:

[@genxray951]

but that little modification was cutting tires and causing crashes, someone could have died, they didn't really need to make a rule though, they should have just started black flagging them into the pits to fix it. i hear what you are saying about casinos kicking out card counters, but I do wonder what would happen if the blackjack rules were even, aka dealer does not have to hit or stay on certain numbers, and can double down and split pairs and force the gamblers to double up their bets etc. if the dealer was also a good card counter and could use that skill it would be a whole different card game.

[@garth849]

​@@genxray951"Never hit 17" is what they taught me. And if you lose, double. Only works on high limit tables.

[@ashtinpeaks9972]

It's more of a safety risk, though. Counting cards doesn't directly affect your fellow gamblers. It would feel kinda shitty losing a tire to this as well. I would be pissed imo

[@001sharpshot]

I agree. The side skirt should be made of something that wont damage tires to avoid the tire issue.

[@Lsx_Lo]

well no banning stuff just ensures the teams are more creative with the next gimmick to win, instead of people copying eachother and taking ages to figure something else out to get an advantage

[@jeremypayne5078]

I just find it funny how light and flexible the material is that you could bend it with your bare hand so easily.

[@David-hm9ic]

All car body steel is that weak. The only thing that makes it stronger is the curves and bends in the sheet metal and then welding multiple inherently stronger shapes together. NASCAR bodies don't have all of the bends and internal structure of a factory car body.

[@acatinatux9601]

you cant be serious, are you 12 years old?

[@mrcringe-fg6zq]

​@@acatinatux9601I mean other Racing series around the world use strong Carbon Fiber.

[@roadrunner40]

I remember when the broadcasters were saying it was the splitter cutting the tires. 😮

[@Poverty-Tier]

If you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin.

[@PoliticallyInsensitive]

If you get caught, you're not trying hard enough

[@hom2fu]

they prefer 'the gray area of the rule book.' you ain’t cheatin', you ain’t winnin'

[@jasonmccoy258]

They weren't cheating. At the time there wasn't a rule against it.

[@Infinite5mokexX]

They are just mad that their engineers didn’t think of it with their degrees and what not 😂

[@anthonymachacek3413]

Its probably more along the line of it doesn't fit the pre race inspection needed and this is a way around it there are plenty of other things teams do like this to pass the inspection before and after the race but not necessarily follow it during the race

[@AnttiBrax]

Who's mad? NASCAR? Nah buddy this is just normal rule writing. You get a team that finds a loophole. They win some races, everyone else catches up with it, the field gets leveled as everyone does the same thing and the cheat no longer provides an advantage, it just becomes extra cost. It's better to ban it so teams can concentrate on actually beneficial cheating.

[@jackkennedy7078]

@@AnttiBrax just save yourself the trouble and let NASCAR die , switch to F1

[@Infinite5mokexX]

@@AnttiBrax oh I hardly care enough about turning left consistently at 200mph I’m just saying words 🤣

[@lucax2300]

I assume by "they" and "their" you mean the NASCAR teams who followed suit. Well, "they" aren't the ones who make the rules. NASCAR made the rule against doing that to the vehicle due to the cost of ripping up tires during honest competition. Not only does it take away from the race itself, but it also presents a safety hazard. An expensive one.

[@JobiWanKenobi804]

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying

[@branhub]

Love how NASCAR does everything in their power to make Motorsport racing as boring as possible

[@Dat-Mudkip]

You clearly don't watch Formula 1.

[@walterbryan1798]

I remember these days! I had forgotten about this. “NASCAR hates drivers for this one weird trick.” 😂

[@g43s]

They should make a version of the sport where you get to modify your car however you want.

[@CmdrCorn]

Thats called Nascar 40 years ago as far as I know... It was much more dangerous and cool. I think people are still just living off of those fumes IMO

[@johnmarston1419]

The idea is that it's a Fair playing field so that skill is the true determiner of the winner not the car they drive or the tools they use

[@Suitednzooted11]

​@@johnmarston1419If you allow people to modify their cars however they want, skill, intelligence, adaptability, engineering, and so many other qualities come into play. Its just better.

[@johnmarston1419]

@@Suitednzooted11 But then it's less about the driving and more about everything else and the driver does none of the modifying so it takes away from their part even more The way it is everyone puts in effort but can be be better than the rest with skill So no that's was worse it better as is

[@ItsDaJax]

You mean kinda like in SCCA races?

[@emeryz10]

Lesson learned. Whenever you have a really good idea and it’s allowing you to win. Never let anybody notice or else they’ll try to copy you in order to level the playing field in which you are doing battle on. What people don’t understand is, if you’re in a competition, you’re not allowed to do what your opponent does in order to win. You have to stick to your own methods even if they cause you losing. You’re not allowed to use somebody else’s good ideas to help you get ahead.

[@bozhidardimitrov3573]

that last part is extremely untrue

[@Immortal_BP]

i cant believe it took them a whole year to patch this bug

[@isaacgaming2176]

even if nobody did that the metal part would move itself when the car goes from the banked track into the apron

[@masjuggalo]

I still want to start a class action lawsuit to either make NASCAR change their name or use production cars.

[@fknbastages]

Agreed.

[@tennicktenstyl]

I think cheating is literally half the fun in racing of any sorts

[@yomommashouse580]

In the words of instructor Billy. 'When it comes to racing, if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin.'

[@kingsardinesalad5945]

When bro said copy cats my cat came in the room💀

[@ashgamesxwx]

Just what happens man, you gotta pop a tire to win then pop it

[@paulgirard1691]

They should have encouraged innovations in the quest for constant improvement. All they had to do was impose tire safe aerodynamic. Thar is how we evolve.

[@DingusYi]

“they banned this modification” *_*plays gta mission passed sound*_*

[@venjaminvifareti3010]

In 2019 or 2020 at michigan i think, ryan newman got penalized because a pit crew member did that

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

The fact Jeff Gordon is still driving is insane.

[@cavscout678]

He’s not, this is from years past.

[@JackTheripper911]

Jeff Gord has been retired for years mate...

[@DavidMadrigalMesa]

He retired in 2015

[@mteoak9111]

That's why I don't watch NASCAR.Anymore with jeff gordon rules He always gets what he wants

[@jtlynn1928]

Its not illega AMYMORE! LMAO l BECAUSE THEY HAVENT DRIVEN THAT CAR FOR 8 YEARS 😂😂😂😂😂

[@patricklancaster5947]

Apparently in sports, anything that makes you better or more efficient is cheating 😂

[@davegriffin9083]

Poor Jeffee :( he's probably still crying about it.

[@JoshuaFarmer-bv7ip]

Doubt he and his 400 million worth of lifetime earnings (from all sources) is crying.

[@Sumschmuck]

I think racing should allow modifications that can improve speed and screw over opponents.

[@zcraze2448]

So just add spears onto the front ends of the cars to stab at opponents?

[@Sumschmuck]

@@zcraze2448 exactly

[@thetermintater7770]

Then that damn black man Bubba decides to get rid of the Rebel Flag and has not raced for NASCAR for a year. Thanks Bubba!

[@picklewart5382]

A good example of how sheep are not just desperate to win by any means necessary in videogames, but anything in real life as well. Forever scummy, forever bland.

[@raitshots]

It's not a sport. But really cold sport. Cold sports are dangerous. Such cases have been seen frequently. Not only competition but all Participants and motorsport are at risk. Note. The second option .... You want to play on dirty tracks ... Make a desert survival competition.

[@dutchthespitfire3204]

Just like the Double diffuser used by Brawn GP in the 2009 F1 season

[@Erichards8983]

Wow! Now imagine someone uses the outer wall on a corner as brace to just absolutely send it around said corner. Be a shame if they banned it immediately after!

[@Kingattack76]

Glad to know nascar is banning important stuff like this NBA still sucks💀

[@JustVoss]

That was just one of the body modifications that were done during a stop

[@MystikosMinistries]

Race rule makers trying not to ban innovations challenge (impossible)

[@arm1n]

Every motorsports is just safety and rules and all that bollocks.

[@nuffelbagget9173]

The video: 🚗 🏁 The background music: 🎃 👻

[@nuffelbagget9173]

Michael Myers loves NASCAR

[@masterphotronics.670]

American nascar sport us8ng aussie cars and aussie v8s using American 😂

[@mkviis]

It's not a modification though. It is a broken piece.

[@15sixmedia]

People’s attempts at loops are getting more and more pathetic by the day.

[@Unstpbl]

Formula 1: Spends years to design new car that will outperform the competition Nascar: "Uhm, lets just bend that part over there, it'll be better, trust me bro."

[@ryanlukens9280]

Best part of F1, if Ferrari doesn’t like it (or more likely can’t figure it out themselves) FIA bans it next year.

[@harrymartin9927]

Man i used to find nasscar unbearable until i started driving

[@Rosey_scene]

Hill billys figuring out aerodynamics 😂

[@Mech4MS]

There's no Nascar pilot that doesn't do me3th

[@markhottman2652]

If you’re not cheating you are not WINNING

[@obiwanjabroniX]

"trick" Americans discover aerodynamics

[@boxxwiition2928]

Extreme G Racing 3 s#$%t!😂😂

[@trent11ify]

Car goes round and round and people go crazy lol

[@kikeae8677]

I think they should be able to make it with rubber and install it kinda like a mud flap. They will have the downforce benefit without damaging any tires.

[@humorduos9564]

Jeff gordon is my dads actual cousin

[@trwedits22]

GTA 5 mission complete sound?

[@AR-Ejaz]

The way it made the GTA mission passed sound 😂

[@OrlandoReyes.]

Why is the Halloween theme song playing

[@BGRYouTube]

Imagine your partner take it out 😂😂

[@eatmyledify]

Going round and round in circles 😄😄

[@WATCH-IT-BUSTER]

It's like steroids for a Nascar.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

Like Roman chariots lmao.

[@Encucumbered]

How is nascar entertaining?

[@nicolaslachnitt3970]

bruh what is this music lmfaoo

[@claucmgpcstuf5103]

Tha sarky fing bad ey

[@TyCook-s1c]

What a boring sport

[@davids4754]

Shake and Bake!!!

[@Kiyosandwicheater]

They boutta turn Nascar into mad max death race

[@TheAmbientUniverse]

Advancements in technology and engineering that improve competition and vehicle design as a whole: NASCAR: "What do you think this is hoss, F1?!?"

[@UKGameShock]

Idk anything about nascar but I guess every car has strict body restrictions? Like I'm wondering why not just adjust a body kit to have a sideskirt made with a lip like but I'm guessing your not suppose to have custom body kit that way?

[@paulregner5335]

Yeah, NASCAR (National Association of STOCK Car Racing) has been dead since 1979 when the vehicles stopped being production vehicles (stock cars).

[@ckimrun1]

F1: You, JUST discovered bending metal for downforce? Nascar: Who is this spiffy looking guy? F1: People call me Giorgio…Shows f1 racecar Nascar: Turns into NPC

[@Heathen9]

Today’s nascar is just disgusting. NASCAR has completely abandoned its fans & its history. Combined with their on the track product sucks nowadays. Hence why they’re suffering right now.

[@user-pq2pq3dy6h]

I lost all respect for Nascar. Because you're trying to be politically correct I have no respect for NASCAR just like I lost respect for the NFL that's because when I found out everything was predetermined in the NFL National fixed League

[@RefinedRandy]

To the guys saying "jUsT rOunD the eDgE oF tHe MeTaL" Tell me you've never taken a mechanical engineering class, without telling me you've never taken a mechanical engineering class.

[@xXAce_TnTXx]

“Gave them better control of their car..” NOPE THATS TOO EASY, THEY ALREADY DRIVE IN CIRCLES SO NO EASY SHORT CUTS!!! “Well okay but..” NOPE

[@SqubaSquid]

It's NASCAR... People actually enjoy this type of racing? I'm an American but NASCAR is shit. Change my mind.

[@Motor-City-Mike]

Let's see, auto racing was founded on competition to find out which car was fastest, including NASCAR in its infancy, then Bill France/Bill Jr. stepped up and added more and more limitations on the cars - as Smokey Yunick (lol) and like pioneered very effective modifications - which stole innovation from OEM manufacturers and excitement for the fans. Talk about being counterproductive, racing associations that place limitations on speed, this crude vesion of aerodynamic "spats" is the very foundation of racing - to make modifications, that provide an advantage. Well DUH!