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[@fleshtonegolem]

Spending hours trying to make a song with AI, Imagine how much "learning" you could do if you sit down with tutorials and a free DAW

[@DJDiskmachine]

Yeah omg what a waste of time 🥲

[@seaofroses8888]

I see where you're coming from, but I've definitely spent around 1k between the plugins and DAW. In theory it can be free, but you would be extremely limited.

[@insulatedworld]

False. If you want to learn there are ways. Almost every plugin and pretty much every daw is out there for those that are willing.

[@remixedcat]

I had no music background and I picked up bitwig and was making really nice tracks within weeks...

[@Rollthered]

Companies can badly tune their AI literally just to make it output things you don't want, its a balancing act to get dummies to spend more money.

[@Dismiazs]

oh shit.. this is true. The costumer goal is to get a good song with the minimum generation while the company's goal is to get the costumer use it the max amount of time before getting their desired result. They're literally the opposite of each other. Literally the same as gambling. I couldn't imagine an honest company having this as their business model

[@GhostSamaritan]

​@@Dismiazs What is competition?

[@mycosys]

@@Dismiazs Because their only interest is 1 time dollars, and keeping users and reputation have no value. ** rolls eyes **

[@WillyJunior]

Also big instagram pages will hire people to write dumb comments on their posts so people reply correcting them and calling them out, increasing engagement and reach. Internet is a scam bro.

[@remixedcat]

the ppl that are trying to deedeeohess internet archive should change their tune to suno lol

[@djse]

The sad part about AI is that it make real musician/producer give up on their craft by giving them a tool that makes thing look easy. There's a wrong way of thinking that great music is what needed to "make it", so people fall into the "AI trap" thinking it will make them the sound they need to reach their goal, thinking they're now on the same level as big major artist with an army of great producer, without realising that to "make it", they don't need that, but more an army of marketing genius. Also, not sure if they realize that Suno/Udio, as good as it is, only give you an equivalent of a 96khz mp3, sometime worst (even though Udio give a 320kps to download, doesn't mean it's that spectal quality)

[@igmusicandflying]

Yeah, I'm not as opposed to AI as a lot of people are, but also I think that people get the cart before the horse. AI is kind of useful for coming up with some different ideas, almost like having an on-demand collaborator, but like my own ideas, I like maybe 1 in 50 of them, and once I've got that idea, I'm done with the AI portion and I start playing with it myself. Think of it as musical tarot cards instead of something to replace traditional production and composition techniques, and I think there's a bit of value. AI is not easy, or let's put it this way. It might be easy to start a kernel of something, but the more detailed you want to get shaping it, the worse it gets. There's a point where you just gotta say "okay, fuck this, let's go learn to play this and fix what I don't like." and that point should probably be VERY early in the process because it quickly gets to the point where it's easier to fix it in a DAW than trying to figure out a prompt to fix it. Also, I'm not as upset as many others that AI has been trained on copyrighted material. My brain also was trained on copyrighted material. The first song I learned to play 40+ years ago was "Smoke On The Water" by Deep Purple, like probably half of the guitarists that were learning in the time I was. I played MANY songs others had written before I tried writing my own.

[@mycosys]

So youre saying there are no violists on earth because synth is easy?

[@crnkmnky]

​@@mycosys There are fewer violinists, and their audience has been vastly reduced. But there are various factors to blame for that…

[@Precisionetica]

Doing things for the meaninglessness of it all , seems to be the new high.

[@croay]

"I like to make my favorite songs with little to no effort" - Proceeds to spend thousands of dollars and half of his day on Suno

[@wmpx34]

😂

[@camdenwyeth316]

I mean half of a day for a full song isn't bad

[@croay]

@@camdenwyeth316 bro said that's how much he spent messing with Suno, not that he was able to "finish" a song in that time span, bro said he spent all that time, days on end, money and got only 3 perfect songs outta it or sum, its hilarious

[@camdenwyeth316]

@@croay well fair, I also think it's pretty hilarious, but to be fair how much time and money do you think it'd take someone to make 3 perfect songs anyway? Not like that doesnt already take hundreds of dollars and days on end to make 3 perfect songs without shitty AI. Bands can pay thousands for studio time/mixing/mastering and days on end writing/recording and whatnot. Yeah it's pretty funny in concept but like the actual outcome of "only 3 perfect songs for x sum of money and y days" isn't actually that bad imo

[@croay]

@@camdenwyeth316 Well, that depends, if we trust OP actually made 3 perfect songs and not 3 perfect trash bags that he thinks are perfect, it would be still cheaper for a lot of people to just spend time learning production. Ive made a lot of tunes that I love and They costed me nothing, just my time.

[@drakonyanazkar]

TL;DR on the long comment you didn't read, but I paused to: Guy has already been playing and making music for ages (plays many instruments). Thinks AI can give him better acoustic sounds. He's only been using it for 3 days, but already has a 'full album" on a hybrid music genre. He says he's bored with music from the industry and believes AI will revolutionize things for small producers, flipping the bird to big industry titans. I think he's either naive or stupid. Probably both.

[@BatteryCoverMissing]

Thank you🙏

[@Chicken-1923]

He is high on chlorine gas

[@crnkmnky]

I read it as he expects this tech to break our listening habits, disrupt the music industry, and bring about a renaissance of communal musicianship. 🤔 I say let him cook. In the meantime, I don't want to hear him whining at the Suno 🎰 slot machine. 😸

[@mycosys]

hes right

[@wombocombo4862]

​@@mycosys nah, modern musicians especially "producers" lack fundamental musical knowledge and it shows. Stop trying to find something make you better and just get better. stop opening your wallet, and open a book.

[@Aejixmusic]

Imagine betting your car for an AI tune

[@ditcherwaker]

If you see the pattern they want to invest the least (want free AI trash) or dont want to spend time on the craft. Yet want to "earn and brake it in the music industry" with little to no investment... Sad, everything cost either money or time (or both)

[@johnsch8634]

My daughter made a quick tune using Udio for a history assignment and kids at her school have been singing it for weeks now.

[@karllindberg]

Hahahahah! Priceless! :) Let'em spend their money/credits and learn the hard way how much it costs to write and produce a single song :)

[@DragDealer]

Plot twist is AI luring you to spend credits and rot your brain 🧠

[@Milan____]

or......... and hear out my crazy idea......... the people who run the company and have a vested interest in you bloating up the stock value of the company are the ones doing that, along with the whole industry that relies on the hype, and "journalism" which often just repeats the marketing spiels without doing any research or using common sense, and tech bros whose salaries are proportionate to the bubble's size

[@Bittamin]

It’s wild, in a world where people crave creation, all we seem to be met with is consumption 😢 whether people are doing this, or getting plugins busyworkbeats recommends, you’re always a target 😢

[@masterofreality230]

And here I was making custom poopy pants songs about my friends! lol

[@lotusblack7535]

This video has inspired me to try crack.

[@johnsch8634]

It's not really the guys that spend hour after hour on a track that are the problem, it's when you can spend two minutes and get something good enough, or better than what you could have gotten spending all day trying to make a song.

[@notnoaintno5134]

Producers are spending more on plugins, the true fiends

[@Not_Tails]

At least you're actually making something with those

[@unknownrocketeer9289]

not really, its possible to do so much with stock plugins. Also, the value from plugins si that you can use them infinite times forever (mostly) Additionally, you have more control from actually learning plugins vs ai because you have direct access t6o the parameters Finally bro, some people pirate plugijns i mean. Im happy i can be legit but also, dont act lik piracy isnt a thing and personally im indifferent. Pirating is an inevitability of capitalis. My musics certainly been pirated a fair amount of times, ripped and shit. I dont really care tho idk, guess im lucky tho but i been in the game 15 years loool

[@johncasey9544]

@@unknownrocketeer9289 i love pirating all my plugins mm mm mm

[@buckycore]

Dude, people spend all their time talking shit about how "bad" gear and/or software and plugins in are. They're not doing anything productive​@@Not_Tails

[@buckycore]

​@@unknownrocketeer9289*eye rolls* this makes you sound old and dusty

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

people say just get a decent sampler and grab some samples(from youtube) and drum packs(from youtube) and you can make easy lego beats.

[@crnkmnky]

I remember messing around a lot in GPT Playground. I was getting some fun results, until their payment processor quit accepting my 💳 cards. 🤬 It did kinda feel like my dealer suddenly cut off my supply.

[@ZVLIAN]

You pay for gpt ? Bruhh

[@crnkmnky]

@@ZVLIAN I was paying a few cents for it last year, after I realized the chat version was a censored piece of crap that you had to gaslight into cooperating with simple requests. I don't know how restricted the current GPT Playground is now that they've seen what people were doing with it, lol…

[@q_yrko9067]

the cost-return issue with AI, well explained

[@AD-Dom]

Ai shit is making me get better at my craft. Because shit was stagnant for a little while feels like everything is in a better space now.

[@ChadWork1]

I spent 1,500 credits making a song and went with the 2nd generation attempt.

[@BLUNTZnBEATZ97]

So far I've only been using Ai for mixing and mastering.... Not so much creating actual music but I'm sure I'll get to it at some point

[@infiniterift]

He should have bought Ableton the next day.

[@PocinTheTech]

To be fair, I have much more respect for people who try to recreate a song that is in their mind, even if it is with AI and without effort, than for people who just generate without a second thought and spam the internet with their junk. This guy needs a life tho.

[@xSaintxSmithx]

Imagine spending 8 hours a day learning how to make music instead 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@benjaminjoeBF3]

and then what? Improve yourself while having fun doing it? For free? Nah being an impostor is waay cooler

[@Danstarr13]

the day when i find out the new #1 on billboard is full ai gen is going to be a sad, sad day

[@whuddyadoin]

Weave mane. Ur a million times better than Moist Critical. Moist is still using 2008 Garage Band and stock plugins for his beats

[@Bittamin]

The Gentlemen tracks slap and aren’t mixed/mastered by Charlie but this is funny 😂

[@smokesystem90]

fun weaver video, youtube style format, under 7 minutes, ai music production topic, facing camera, wearing a cap and professional headphones, medium and close-up, satire, little to no jokes, mention reddit, color

[@crnkmnky]

traitor! 😭

[@fftunes]

On the positive side, if it was considered gambling, it would become illegal in several countries. 🙂

[@NoidoDev]

Same Only Fans and dating apps, then.

[@Fl4ppers]

Wonder how far this has perforated into Soundcloud, Spotify, etc.. I bet its already saturated.

[@armignac]

I like to see the fun stuff!

[@ProdbyTISZY]

I can’t stop! I need more credits to make these bangers!

[@dk101likeu]

going to make fun now...the future is looking grim....The AI herd needs to be thinned!

[@Pix2io]

another day another banger video

[@MDHeleniak]

Can't wait to see this AI-addicted dude take his act live.

[@olafkliemt1145]

people use AI for profit. if the incentive for creating art is profit then it is not art anymore. people create. be genuine. understand what you do. edit: i really go full Del Spooner on this one.

[@kickcloudstv]

This is moist

[@DJeMo]

🏅

[@CosmicHarmony58]

Trudeau? that you? you still saying that? aaaaaye PEOPLEKIND TOO

[@remixedcat]

for the 96 dollars they are spending a year to make ai music can be used to buy the entry level bitwig and make real music with real synths and get more skills that would be better for your mental health!

[@smilingerrors]

Tbh, working a whole day to pay for a song might be great value if the song is amazing. I doubt it is(the song, amazing), but still.

[@dacidthorn]

That was fun.

[@camdenwyeth316]

Videos like this are fun you should do more

[@2024style]

Bro we are waiting for your busy works beats plugin review 🤣🤣

[@tdwwxyz]

Let the serpent eat its tail and keep making real music 😂

[@Rollthered]

5:58 you sounded like patrick from spongebob for a sec there lol

[@DerekMarshall]

You kept telling us it was fun and funny so I believed you and pressed like

[@biomechanism1]

I would rather spend the money in online courses to learn music production lol!

[@HiLoMusic]

Ai is the worst modern day invention

[@zloboslav_]

😂 this is absolutely hilarious

[@mydyingdream]

but for no-life like me, it's kinda attractive to use AI to generate vocals in given key, or maybe align with given melody... it's easier than speak to a real person :/

[@cottoo1]

Can you already choose exact chords and bpm?

[@mydyingdream]

@@cottoo1 I have no idea, that's why I drop this comment. In hope that somebody tell me if such tool already exist ;D

[@mthomas1091]

So ahead of his time 😳

[@donnydarko7624]

I'm sure the dopamine release from generating music with AI is no different than actually writing your own music. 🤣🙄

[@merlinswaifu]

This was pretty funny ngl 😂

[@naturalbornloser7534]

this kind of video is better suited to your second channel imo

[@isaacnewtech]

I can't really think of anything more boring than AI vocals, or AI music in general. I think creators are immensely overhyping AI music in general for KZbin fame. I just can not see the point, and I've never ever thought any AI generated music sounds interesting. And I have done research and have heard a lot of it. It can in the best case lead to something kind of credible that doesn't immediately fall on its face (compared to other commercial pop music that is!). Anyone believing in this kind of AI music stuff is one that sees music as a product. A product you want to make as quick as possible to have it streamed and sold for money. I have typed the same kind of idea under maybe hundreds of youtube video's about AI: commercially successful music, hit music, radio music, top spotify streams... have been largely AI generated for the past 25 or so years. Not literally, but it has been done by humans working exactly like an AI. The next iteration of the same idea. The same sound, the same kind of hook, the same sort of melodies and harmonies. It has been a formula since the late 90's and is only become more so. The next snack that the industry moguls can shove up your @ss. And oh yes, AI is perfectly capable of generating that. Because it IS a formula, and it already sounds flat an generic and not very human or emotional. I see music very differently, and you certainly do too. For me, the commercial aspect of music comes after all of the rest. Music is a fundamentally human, emotional, imperfect, unpredictable affair. For real musicians, the point of music is making it. Being involved, growing, creating... I believe in the soul. I see music as energy and communication. As an extension of thought, as a way to evoke the wordless. Another language. A getaway to a place without rules. A sample of the time and context it was created in, in combination with the world in the head of the creator. A touch of magic in the real world. Music lives through character, identity, risk, growth, inspiration, improvisation, flow, focus, love, hate, distress, joy... Music is the polar opposite of computer thinking. I am firmly convinced the AI music hype will blow over soon. It will by definition always sound flat and generic and like a formula, because that is how the technology works. AI can only function in the box you put it in. It is just advanced pattern recognition. There is nothing intelligent about AI, let alone sentient or emotional. AI music is just a gimmick. And even if AI music would sound very very good and 'indistinguishable from human music' (which it by definition never can), it still wouldn't ever play a big role, because humans want context. We need a story to connect to. Even from the standpoint of the listener, AI music is terminally boring. It can't take any cultural or sociological circumstances into account. It can't reference, it can't quote, it can't react to tendencies. It can't perform live, can't give interviews. It can't evolve, can't grow, can't take risk, can't make a album with an over arching emotional story. It can't make a insta post about how it made X or Y, it can't collaborate, it can't be inspired by anything... Another point I want to make, is that humans with all their human intelligence and deduction and cross examination and estimation skills can get much better at music than AI can ever be. There is NOTHING a music AI can do that a skilled and trained professional musician can't do way better and way more tastefully and touchingly. Maybe AI can get to 80% in one second. Humans can get to 101% in a few days. Or to 200% over a lifetime of dedication. AI might play some limited role in music. It could replace what was already a formula. The technology is able to generate somewhat credible music, that might serve its purpose quietly in the background without anyone paying real attention. The technology could be used in helpful composition and production tools, to complement human skill, knowledge and experience. But it will certainly never ever compromise real musicians and real music lovers. You know, some people listen to Justin Bieber and Ed Sheeran, and in their taste for music want to just be part of the mass and never take risk or develop their taste. Fine. Some people listen to Ahex Twin, or Pink Floyd, or Defones, or Tupac or Miles Davis or J.S. Bach or...

[@crnkmnky]

📜

[@emiel333]

‘Perfect song’ and ‘AI’ don’t match 😂

[@crnkmnky]

I mean, "perfect" is both impossible and subjective…

[@morehart505]

Liked in the first 20 seconds

[@Pintosonic]

😂 That would be funny if AI music generation would lead to gambling addiction. How about learning music production if you are looking for a very specific result. This kind of tools are for people who just want filler music for a video or something and they just don’t want to put much effort on it. And here are the dummies using this AI as some sort of slot machine that will eventually spit a super mega hit that will make them rich.

[@djjuno106]

No sympathy if there willing too waste money on ai . Music creation is supposed too allow you too put your feelings into reality but if your using AI your sad as fuck.

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

We all know this fictional person is you Weaver... You need you check yourself into UA (Udio Anonymous) or the SA (Suno Anonymous) (yeah its just what was on my mind ha ha.)

[@Michael_Lak]

BS. I use 10 credits to make a song.

[@SpeezyOTB]

To address the first point of addiction, I was using co-producer for a long time and could sit there for an hour or two generating loops and Udio kind of feels the same but personally, I was impressed with some of the songs that it generated for me. Used this 90s R&B song it made as a sample and that’s what I think it’ll be best for, eliminating the need to risk sampling and just use something like this. If anything it’ll actually make sample clearance cheaper and easier for people across-the-board when producers start flocking to AI for samples. I think if they’re going to raise the price and charge more, it has to be a really detailed feature set that works more often than not. Sidenote, there’s talk of an AI product that can generate entire TV shows/films and if they can figure that out the entire landscape of entertainment is gonna be really different in the next 10 15 years.

[@jasonanderson5034]

I WOULD LOVE A CARTOON GENERATOR THAT LETS U WRITE YOUR OWN SCRIPT i like udio and suno just cuz ilike hearing my lyrics in different genres and styles

[@isajoha9962]

Haha, that is the randomness of AI generated music. Trying to have some high quality level or consistency in the output might be hard, using it for some kind of stabile income. Tried out Suno & Udio when it was new, then left it alone for a while. The sound quality is still like listening to squashed AM radio in a car, when revisiting the tracks I generated. There is a lot of noise in the audio and inconsistency in the backing instruments in tracks, like only the main focus of a track is generated.

[@DJeMo]

🥉

[@firstnamesurname6550]

That kid spending hours "prompting" into a machine learning system is what will be called "Producers" .... Real instrument players too, mocked DJs telling that they spend hours listening records and sampling sounds from real musicians recordings and that they were doing something new and "better " ... "Prompt artists" will displace current "Dj/Loopbased Producers" ... Real musicians just continues to enjoy playing instruments together as it had been since music had been done... Tech dependency is already a collective syndrome that is bringing economic benefit to those affected by that ... ... and the sheeps & pigs always obey their masters peasants...

[@mycosys]

You sound like some dud in the 50s telling us the dangers of synths

[@crnkmnky]

​@@mycosys Those warnings were partially correct…

[@firstnamesurname6550]

@@mycosys I use synths since its inception in the market (Moogs, Juno, DX7, etc) and been working with samples since the 90's , using DAWS since Digidesign soundtools , and I got into machine learning since 2010 ... during all those years, playing guitar and bass with other musicians, DJs and machines ... using different tools doesn't make different the experience of playing together with great musicians ... the thing is that now, everybody can believe that is a music producer, including those who can not name the notes in a piano ... and I enjoy to watch newcomers 'producers' pissing of 'actual producers' ... none of them can replace my performance experience as it had been since I begin to play an instrument with other musicians.

[@mycosys]

@@firstnamesurname6550 And yet you cant see yourself.

[@firstnamesurname6550]

@@mycosys yes, i dont see that dude of 50's telling to others 'the dangers of synths' that you seem to see in my main comment ... I don't felt any sort of danger in tech and tools ... but I can see and forsee the effects of those tools in the market and what those tools can not supply when it comes to instrumental musicianship in a human ensemble, in that regard the recorded outcomes are not the real time experience of playing music together ... just a condensed snapshot ... Where is 'the danger' ?

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Its not real, its someone trolling, even after 7 hours those AI cant generate a full finished song.

[@bridgesbeats9950]

could blockchain b the fix to fakes?

[@crnkmnky]

Do you have a specific idea? Crypto bros proposing to save us from AI bros would be a funny cartoon…

[@neo-in-the-matrixxx]

Cant believe im firs…maybe.

[@DJeMo]

🥈

[@mycosys]

Weav, mate. Music is just a communication game. If these tools are a way for people to be creative without being technical, thats kinda great. NGL i've been tempted to make some layers in Suno, vocal maybe, but i enjoy playing my instruments. The 'fake' thing you are parroting is exactly what old fuddyduddys said about synths, and sampling. The effect of predatory capital is sad, but thats not something you even mention.

[@crnkmnky]

🤔

[@pongmaster123]

creative? no

[@mycosys]

@@pongmaster123 show me your 'creations'. LOL. More formula than a generative sequencer i bet

[@pongmaster123]

@@mycosys you have no idea. but i think youtube is a good place for your existence, instead of traveling the world and make music with collaborations.

[@mycosys]

@@pongmaster123 OK sweetie. Wont bore you with all the festivals ive run

[@TheLordcasio]

Dude...bra...why ya'll hate'n? Din't ch'all see the new Netflix jam with J-Lo?! (number #1 on the most watched list) AI is our homie. Ya'll gotta get it straight and mellow with the machine. Lay back and get the machine to run the game.....naw just kidding. F*ck those dumb dumb's. I play all the instruments and I am mental...good luck AI, bitting off my jams.Thanks for the latest issue of truth bomb my guy.

[@crnkmnky]

🤖: _AI is the homie. Lay back and let the h⁰m¹e run a 🚂._

[@buckycore]

I love how we're all talking shit about this guy, yet we're the ones sitting around and watching some dude reading a reddit post on his youtube video like this is some high value entertainment. Who're the losers now?

[@crnkmnky]

💥

[@maxandersmusic]

I'm on the toilet right now and this is the perfect content for this moment.

[@adiiancu891]

OH REALLY? ITS LIKE GAMBLING? & PUTTIN 100 HRS ON A SONG A-Z ISNT GAMBLING? psh

[@adiiancu891]

2500 credits a day is 8$ a day. less than any role in music industry for an hour;.

[@mediacenter3174]

you are anti tech . no one can stop ai!

[@crnkmnky]

🥱

[@Shyeep]

I'm an AI musician / artist.... and you can laugh all you like, but I'll keep putting out great music. :)

[@drakonyanazkar]

Yes, "you" will definitely pull the lever on a slot machine filled with data on music that has already been composed, performed, recorded, mixed, mastered, published, advertised, covered etc. etc. And then I'm sure you're very proud of "your" creation, which speaks from the bottom of "your" heart and into which you've put so many minutes of your time. And when people ask you about you made your song, so they can make something similar, you'll just shrug and point to the "real" artist: the ghost in the shell.

[@Shyeep]

@@drakonyanazkar Listen to my music, then listen to random stuff on suno or udio...and then you will realize it takes more than the tool to make the music.

[@IAmUnderscore]

Any music created by AI is objectively shit. It’s soulless.

[@Shyeep]

@@IAmUnderscore That just doesn't make any sense. My music sounds great and people enjoy it. And if you heard my music without knowing I did it with AI, you would enjoy it too....but your bias has you "objectively" just hating on anything related to AI.....

[@IAmUnderscore]

@@Shyeep Music is about human expression, AI bros are too caught up in their shitty music theft algorithms to understand. Stop calling it “your” music. It’s embarrassing, you’re not a musician and I hope you one day realize what a piece of human garbage you are for promoting AI art. If I heard “your” “music” I would want to violently throw up. You have zero talent or skill. Have a great day though.