This is my BOOMSTICK!

[@chrisraine7468]

I appreciate that this man can talk and sell shotguns that are over 10K but also isn't a snob and and will shoot cheap guns. It should be about fun not always price

[@tomo-um7kj]

Hey I was the other lucky guy, I bought the 20bore version that was in the same Holts auction. As a massive Winchester fan I couldn’t resist it. It’s brilliant, I’ve more guns than fingers and toes but I keep reaching for this one. It’s even won a sxs comp with me behind it so it must be good!

[@andybannon7680]

Ok my vote keep at as is and save the money for the next sleeper at Holts!

[@terencegamble4548]

Another interesting video. I have had a Winchester 101 with 26 inch barrels with IMP and MOD chokes that I bought for shooting Skeet a long time ago. I have used it for driven pheasants and partridges, duck, rough shooting and pigeon shooting. It is not great on long crossing targets, but what the heck, it's original and fun. My advice is to leave your gun as it is and enjoy it for what it is.

[@2Bob_Rocket]

Thanks

[@wymple09]

The nicest gun I ever came across as a sleeper jewel was a side by side .410 from an outfit called F.I.E. from Brazil. Modified & full, I could not get over how tight & well made it was. The wood was gorgeous.

[@jackspringer3039]

I had a couple .F.I.E. .410s I think the same gun is sold under tthe Stoeger brand - good inexpensive

[@smokerjim]

Ant's glee and joy was a sight I did not expect to see, or know we needed!

[@parrisgeorge9708]

Thanks for the video. It looks like it borrowed elements from several good designs. What I see most in it is Winchester model 21. Take a look at several photos of 21 barrels, frames, stock/forend shapes, lockup, vent rib, and such. The black metal piece in the barrels where it slots into the frame is a positive barrel stop if I'm not mistaken. Probably the 21 models you would want to see photos of would be the vent rib Trap models versus the solid rib guns. I have 2 21's and the stock finish on each one is different. I have one that was built on the eve of WW-2 that has the standard Winchester gloss finish of the day. My other one has an oil finish. Both are very nice but the oil finish fits with the gun better I think. One of the neat things about the 21 is that it was made to be rebuilt by replacing worn out parts with oversize factory parts. There are if I remember correctly 4 sizes of joint roll, and 2 or 3 sizes of locking bolt.

[@revdocjim2002]

That gun was made not too far from my house. A little over an hour or so. All that's left now is the Nikko Tochigi Gun Range, which is one of my "go to" ranges.

[@freedomman06]

Its not special or collectable enough to be left original... but it definitely is well built and shoots well enough to warrant being turned into something truly unique! Look forward to it :)

[@jimmarcham6271]

Do it ! A 30mm butt pad & super extended chokes - all reversible. An oil finish on the stock is always good. What a strange hybrid of ideas - so glad it shoots ! How about a follow up video once you've made some changes ?? Maybe TGS gun Mk.II .... 😲 !??

[@garandm1d]

I used to do a lot of duck hunting over decoys. Convention would suggest a long barreled gun. On a whim, I started favoring 26" over & unders, or a 26" Remington 1100. Plenty of heft, but a bit quicker on the unexpected bird that sneaks up on you. Don't underestimate 26" tubes. Great review, great video.

[@BenBowen89]

Slogan “ Have you been a Holts winner? … I have!” 🎉😂 I bought a Revo Matrix deluxe for £104 back in December since then, I’ve had my first pintail and wigeon with it, praise be to Holts 🙌🍻

[@annrobinson4951]

Hi Johnny, a good buy. We can remember classic doubles - just!! We think you should invest time and money in it and restore it to its former glory!! A bargain - well done 👍👍 Malc and Ann Lincolnshire xxx

[@mattparsley2043]

I picked up a Miroku from 1975 for £91 yesterday from Holts, yeah it needs a bit of work but I bloody love it.

[@nigelmchugh5541]

Great find, should last a life time. In relation to the original makers going broke, it must be hard to stay afloat in a home market where it's extraordinarily difficult yo own a shotgun....

[@scottjones8036]

Fun video. I have owned a few Classic Doubles O/U and they are a great guns. My only complaint with the 201 is the 26” barrels. You are correct whit your statement about the screw in chokes. There were not many made. Most had fixed chokes. You are a tall guy. My opinion would be trick it out to suit your shooting needs. You don’t have much money in it and they are fun to shoot. 👍 Regards

[@NickGoldsmith776]

This is a absolutely wonderful gun Thankyou for sharing it with us 👏👏

[@TaralgaBushAdventure]

Yep, give it a touch up and a good tidy. that fore-end also reminds me of my miroku

[@tompuckett9937]

This is one great looking shotgun!!!! The lines and contours reminds me of an XKE!!!!

[@scoutgolf5282]

I like the stocks with grip caps, looks nice, and that guns is pretty neat, has a very American style to it, Hope you enjoy it!

[@peterbalac1915]

Had a model 23 couldn't hit a barn door with it although I loved it, had various Winchester 101's in 12 gauge never shot as well since selling them bought into the 32" Miroku mk38 another iconic gun. Really regret giving the 101's away you live and learn.

[@martinsatchell]

That gun is gorgeous! A freshen up and some extended chokes for the win

[@doncarter1427]

I have always loved a side by side more than any other gun but waited most of my life to own one! That being said I finally bought a cheap American double, to which I admired the more I looked at it! I bought a CZ Bobwhite for a hunt and liked it immensely, but kind of longed for a 16 bore; I came across an old Savage Fox 16 bore and fell head over heals! No it’s not an original Fox and no it’s not an expensive gun, but I got it at a steal, and it suits me! I know the deal with over under’s but I swear I’d rather miss with a SXS than shoot an O/U, there is nothing classier, or more appealing to me than a classic SXS!

[@Puppy_Puppington]

Sooooo true. Same lol

[@teamflanneloutdoors5631]

To me the reaction of your 6 friends who shot it says it all. It would be a crime to modify the gun IMO. Although to me, as an American, changing out chokes would not ruin the aesthetics. Thanks for sharing, really enjoy the channel.

[@johngeorge2081]

You may be the only Japanese gun manufacturing expert out there, and I love the videos. Can you tell me if the Nikko 2200 Olympic skeet that I bought my wife has 101 internals? I can't find anyone local that can tell me.

[@jimandmarypowell9783]

Recalling your piece on the Baikal SB and its value in other countries. You picked a winner! I did see a Cogswell and Harrison, similar, with raised rib and beavertail forend, at auction many years ago. Your gun is different but has 'charm'.

[@samwalker7567]

Normally I hate a SxS with a pistol grip, a wide forend, or a raised rib. This has all three and yet I find it strangely appealing. A testament to the builders!

[@mikeproctor3664]

I always heard the plant was closed and tore down for the Japanese to build a golf course. Seems in the 80's the Japanese developed quite a fondness for the sport. Anyway, Classic Doubles made some nice guns, there is a following of people who collect them. A few months ago on Guns International there was a 16 gauge Model 201 listed. It had been a prototype. The most famous of the CD's was the sporter. Back in the 80's sporting clays was just getting started. After they closed and sometime in the 90's, a company here in the US started making a copy of the sporter. It was Connecticut Valley Classics, I was one who bought one of the early models. Shot it for a quite a while. What happened here in the US was in the early 90's a group called the Vintagers started a trend of dressing up in the English tradition and shooting English side by sides. That took off big time and for at least 15 to 20 years people were buying everything English. And yes JC at big prices. But alas now all those guys that could afford these guns are getting old and have sold off all their English Best guns. The new generation does not care for a Purdey or Boss. ( Sporting Clays trivia, the first SC National was in Texas and the guy who won it was shooting a Browning Hump Back auto

[@Phuc_Yhou]

Keep it as it is but keep letting people try it to show that sometimes the over bias towards o/u means missing out on some cheap but cheerful little gems.

[@davidgendron1953]

It shoots well, it looks good, make it fit you, add on longer chokes and use it as much as you can to see if it is still a good gun to you! Chokes can be removed, stock extension could be removed…. Oil finish would be great! I know I would!!

[@dandetmer9210]

When your young and got muscles u can carry a heavy gun and never give it a thought. BUT As u get older weight becomes a major issue of walking hunting like quail and pheasant. Duck and dove usually not much walking. I started carrying a light 20 vs a heavy 12 and my hits went up for pheasant.

[@timeverett7828]

"Classic Doubles" is in demand in North America. They don't show up very often and when they do they are snapped up immediately! You are right... Winchester 101 doesn't get a lot of love these days in North America.

[@michelt4390]

Didn't even knew about them! Even Miroku guns aren't that common

[@martinhambleton5076]

Nice! Fausti do a very similar looking gun to that, but it is a dedicated side by side trap gun. If my memory serves me well, I think it's called an X4? But I can't swear to that. I was over there in 2017 and did manage to resist temptation. Very nice Johnny! Just looked it's not the x4.

[@MR12GAUGE]

Kodensha plant never made a bad gun, sister to winchester 23 design with some extra flair and design changes, lovely old girl, would have loved to be able to visit the plant, this is why i love Miroku the most today, they still use highest quality gun makers and tradition, even regulate barrels by eye

[@phileaton8671]

Definitely work on it! Pistol grip SbS for clays is always great fun eg. Rizzini BR550

[@ddoherty5956]

Did the wife give you a slap when she found out Jonny? 🤣 Nice gun👍

[@davidcaul7836]

Invest the money do the modifications and bring it shooting partridge and do a video of it be great to see love the videos

[@funkla65]

That was a steal. Over here, $300 may get you a Baikal, a Stoeger, or perhaps an old Stevens with a hinge pin, a wedge into the barrel extension, and zero bites underneath. Our old "working man's" doubles aren't very sophisticated in design.

[@agoogleaccount2861]

What an interesting gun. Ever tried some of the American doubles ? Springfield Stevens 311 is a nice boxlock action gun especially in 16 ga

[@johnnunn8688]

From the title/description, I thought it was going to burst a barrel but you weren’t injured.

[@Blondejam]

Nice one JC and Hi to Ant! I really like this gun. The high rib and wide forend makes it really serious. Not too fussed on the chequering but the action to barrel looks really nice. Would the 26" kill it a bit at range? say 40-50 yards? Being multi choked would help with that I suppose. Cracking vid as usual. Nice 1 tean TGS!

[@richarddixon7276]

Personally , I'd just leave it alone , any changes You make might just spoil it , basically the old saying " If it ain't broke don't fix it !" applies , Thanks for showing . Shoot Straight Stray Safe & Stay Well.

[@richardkramer1094]

Keep it and make it yours with the modifications you prefer. That’s my opinion because that is what I’d do.

[@steveparsons6324]

I love these shotguns. A bit heavy, but very well made.

[@Outdoordad1]

Lovely gun

[@wholeNwon]

I certainly do not need another gun, but I, too, would have bought that in a heartbeat. Good move!

[@chucksgmgarage1116]

I need one of those in my cabinet balance out my Winchester Supreme 12 ga 3"

[@johnwilkes7190]

I can see the appeal, (but I even like Churchill XXV as walked up guns ) given that most people now like 30-inch barrels did you really notice much difference having 4 less inch (that sounds wrong). If you ever get hold of a Churchill or the AyA copy it would be great to hear your review of what must be the most unfashionable shotgun configuration these days.

[@peterlavelle567]

He already did! 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHWUqmmNeJyei6s

[@johnwilkes7190]

@@peterlavelle567 yes but he didn't shoot it or talk about how the raised rib, short barrels in theory came about and how it works in practice .

[@peterlavelle567]

@@johnwilkes7190 true, sorry forgot that part as it’s been a while since I watched! It was a particular favourite of mine as I end up picking up a sidelock AYA XXV in 20 ga.

[@johnwilkes7190]

no worries I have the AyA xxv sidelock in 12 bore a 20 would be a very nice thing to have

[@timokervinen9951]

Refinish the stock and do a whole new rust bluing. Would be awesome!

[@charleskittler4330]

John the shotgun whisper 😳🙈

[@philiprichards8526]

Looks like a Model 21 Winchester.

[@markosaric3760]

Looking at the gun as it is and the story it has ... A piece that is somewhat different, decent quality, from a gunmaker that does not exist, with it's own different style ... I would for sure keep it as it is. An original testament of product of its own time as good or as bad as it is. Do not pimp it up like a boy racer does his car ...

[@twinpotracer]

Haven't seen it, haven't used it... But, I love raised ribs on sXs. I bought a couple of like that, just love them.

[@arnoldfoote1925]

be great for American Skeet, would Love to borrow it sometime lol, leave it once you change it its gone forever!

[@robinbeavan5152]

Strip of the lacquer and oil up the stock you.ll have a peach aswell.

[@thescottishfarrier]

I smell a new mini series coming on

[@kenorrah8072]

Get the long/heavy chokes , refurbish the wood , alter the Stock dimensions to suit you . Go to sleep every night happy .

[@Scooter-dm3qo]

Next time you visit the USA Make sure to try out a CZ USA Sharp Tail Target. It's a Side by Side 12 gauge fitted out so that it shoots like a Beretta 686. This means the stock has a modern comb height and a pistol grip quite similar to that on a 686 Sporting. Note, it's an extractor gun but that is not a problem for me because I load my own shells. As for Specs, raised Target Rib with a mid bead , 30 inch multi choke barrels, select able single trigger and a color case hardened action. Also noteworthy on my ex salesman's sample the wood is quite pretty not EELL grade but definitely a EL grade stock. Also worth noting is that CZ insists on top quality from their Turkish suppliers so the quality is a match for Yildiz or Beretta.

[@KathrynLiz1]

Nice gun... worth a bit of a tidy up I'd say.....

[@fransoosthuizen2151]

Must say Parker was the first name that came to mind when I saw s/s

[@vcrudelejr]

Jonny, wouldn't this be a fine gun for a pigeon shoot over a grain field? To my American eye and thought, this is a hunting gun....Take it to the field and drop some birds over the decoys for us.

[@FeralTuckerFella]

Bling it up!

[@vkygaming5655]

Wonderful✨😍 gun love it

[@gnarshread]

It would be lovely if the wood was refinished. The lack of engraving is kind of cool and modern.

[@mdp4656]

Between the Ruger Red Label and now the Classic Doubles you've found some awesome deals that were staples in the American wing shooting a couple decades ago. For the record if you ever find Winchester 23 available buy it, they are a fantastic "modern" side by side that are very well built. You got that gun for a great price and you seem attached, I'd say spend some time on a light refurb to get it exactly how you like.

[@mungusaurus]

The US market for older shotguns is 10X the UK market. Its insane.

[@jesusisalive3227]

Redo the stock and add chokes. Make it how you like it. After all the point of a gun is to use it, and you will use it more if it fits you.

[@jonpettet7085]

Great find but I'd leave it as is.

[@mattyninge1]

Through fear of sounding stupid… but how do I access the sealed bid catalogue? Or is there not one? I can view the lists for March but there’s no link to a catalogue under the sealed bid details.

[@tomvogt5988]

It looks closer to a 21. That's why they added the zero in the middle.

[@micheallangdon7673]

Owned one persistent trouble with injector mechanism far to delicate.

[@jakobchristensen2845]

You have converted Ant 🤣🤣

[@tgsoutdoors]

Ant and Ed!

[@olejustesen5319]

Thought they were made by Marochhi in Italy

[@Lethal_Intent]

Later years they were. But after winchester they stayed in Japan like Nikko Parker Hale Etc

[@cyrillynch907]

Invest time and money in it great video

[@ironmikehallowween]

That’s a nice shotgun. I would like one.

[@karlsailor]

Change it!

[@mattralphwright]

Got yourself a Toyota… they last forever!

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

Invest in it!

[@mattyallen3396]

Wheres that 303?

[@nickbitten9910]

Interesting video.

[@royjennison3916]

great vid , i love it . dont modifie it , just make it nice

[@dhiadhibi8872]

it is italian shotgun?

[@bruceyeoward6544]

Shows s/s aren't dead just need to be modernized, maybe a UK maker could follow suit and make a sporting clays s/s gun?

[@raybishop3176]

Walk up hunting for pheasants in the states, that gun would be perfect. Leave it alone, quick question, wouldn't that be a Prince of Wales Grip?

[@jackspringer3039]

Johnny you suffer from the same ailment I do: "G.A.S." (Gun Aquisition Syndrome)

[@CM-tk3je]

Invest ...... custom extended chokes and then enter the British Side by Side Championship !

[@enzo-wd9vp]

Hi tgs

[@tgsoutdoors]

Hey there

[@jameswilson6717]

Give you £320 for it 😂😂😂All the very best 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Tuton25]

Eight pounds is too heavy for hunting? Nonsense, that's how much a 12-gauge should weigh, if you want a lighter gun you should go to a sub-gauge like a 16 or 20. Then again I'm dragging a 10-pound 10 gauge around most of the time, so that's my bias...

[@RustySprocket]

Garbage

[@jesusisalive3227]

I agree!

[@michelt4390]

Too heavy? Probably not... but for 26" SxS, that's a lot of weight

[@vadenk4433]

A 26 inch 12 gauge should weigh about 6 3/4 pounds. 8 pounds is way too heavy for an upland gun. Walking 7 miles through coattails in WI her would wear you out.

[@RustySprocket]

@@vadenk4433 I walk about 10 miles a day on average, at about 7-10k ft elevation. 6.75lbs is too heavy. My 12ga is the only hunting shotgun I own over 6lbs. It's just a fuzz over 6lbs.

[@chadnolte9134]

Looks like a good purchase. I would leave it as it is except modifying for fit. Throw some heavier chokes in it and let the dog hunt. I really like the beaver tail fore end. Something about it makes me think it was over built to handle some abuse in the field. Nice find and good review. Also like the other video of the gun with Ed.

[@johnsoncozier2152]

Original is all ways best 👍

[@JHruby]

The raised rib (on a sxs) decidedly does NOT appeal to this American anyway. This gun reminds me of the early Japanese sports cars that borrowed styling elements willy-nilly from other makes and then put them all on one car.

[@tgsoutdoors]

The Datsun 240z is a fine looking thing!

[@m444ss]

So three months later....what was the decision. Sounded to me like you didn't plan to actually shoot it much, so why spend more money on it? I wouldn't put money into it 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 I expected to (a) actually shoot it at least reasonably frequently, (b) upgrading to sell, or (c) want it to look better as a piece of decor

[@gregorywillis2447]

Leave it alone and just shoot it, I'm a Parker fan.

[@union310]

Give you a fiver and a bar of Kendal mint cake for it?

[@martincotter6370]

Did you bid blind? Surely one of your Holts colleagues could give the guns a once over for you if you can’t make a viewing day. 😮

[@tgsoutdoors]

There was a ‘is it complete junk?’ Question posed to SR

[@martincotter6370]

That makes sense. I am a Holts fan living in Suffolk. A quick phone call is a wise move before a trip👍👍

[@zevgoldman6769]

You are not a European in the least. You are a Brit. Be proud of the fact.

[@tgsoutdoors]

More European than Asian

[@michaelirons5662]

LEAVE THE TERMINATOR ALONE MT.

[@tomsear1]

Yabai!(やばい)