This is our NEW RAILWAY SIGNAL: is it any good? Eindhoven - Utrecht VIRM 26/2/2023

Prorail has developed a new railway signal to replace the usual signals. As a test, some have been placed at Meteren. In this ride we will pass them, so you can experience whether it is an improvement. More information in the video. Enjoy watching!
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Prorail heeft een nieuw lichtsein ontwikkeld, ter vervanging van de gangbare seinen. Als proef staan er een paar bij Meteren. In deze rit komen we daar langs, zodat jij kunt ervaren of het een verbetering is. Meer informatie in de video. Veel kijkplezier!
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[@michelvanloon7871]

Persoonlijk vind ik ze te smal. De brede zwarte plaat van de oude seinen zijn in mijn beleving sneller op afstand te vinden tussen de bovenleiding masten en tegenliggende zon. Het idee dat je meer moet "zoeken" naar deze smallere seinen. Doordat de lamp op dezelfde positie zit voor alle kleuren is er geen 'dubbel' seinbeeld, dus extra kijken. Daarmee bedoel ik: grote zwarte vlek + lamp hoog + kleur = vrij (of soms afremmen op de oudere seinen). De nieuwe seinen missen die extra info van de lamp positie. Dit sein geeft: zwart vlekje + lamp laag (zou rood zijn in oude situatie) + groen (conflicterend beeld tegenover oud sein). Het sein is prima te begrijpen, maar ben van mening dat het oude sein sneller en beter in 1 oogopslag te lezen is.

[@Icefumy]

Mee eens.. helpt ook t.o.v. kleurblindheid

[@arfanvlk9351]

@@Icefumy als je kleurenblind bent mag niet eens machinist zijn

[@georgjrgensen8507]

Volledig eens.

[@KoploperMau]

Positie van de lamp mag je NOOIT gebruiken, behalve bij rood. Groen zit op sommige baanvakken in het midden en geel boven en op sommige baanvakken zit groen boven en geel in het midden. Heeft te maken met Seinstelsel '55. Waarom men geel daar boven had weet ik niet. Op sommige baanvakken (waaronder Hoorn - Purmerend - Zaandam) heb je rechts seinen met groen in het midden, maar daarnaast op het linkerspoor seinen met groen boven.

[@bartrazin]

@@KoploperMau De eerste seinen stelsel 55 hadden van boven naar beneden geel groen en rood . De rede hiervoor was dat er toen ook het seinbeeld dubbel geel bestond wat halve dienstregeling snelheid betekende. Je snapt dat na stelsel 46 met de vage termen als hoge lage en midden snelheid wat men juist betere aanduidingen nodig had en vandaar de cijfers. Aangezien ATB dit niet kan herkennen is het seinbeeld verdwenen en is de volgorde verandert in overeenkomst met de regels van het UIC. Doch staan er toch weer nieuwe seinen met het oude seinbeeld bijv bij Den Dolder en het vertreksein te Den Dolder heeft trouwens nog vier lensen uit de tijd van dubbel geel!(laatste exemplaar geloof ik).

[@rninrvr]

What I see is that Pro Rail has embraced the modern LED light which allows a single blub to very in intensity as well as display more than one colour. The new signal face is narrower, but the reflective edges will assist with seeing it. The simplification of installation and ongoing upkeep will be a factor in moving forward with the changes. Liked your explanation of the new signal and the reasoning behind going forward with it.

[@weeardguy]

LED lighting is already in use in the Dutch railway industry for 3 decades, railside signals probably about 25 or 20 years (as other colours had yet to advance in light-intensity, where red LEDs were already capable of replacing bulbs in the nineties) But those LED-signals are able to vary their intensity based on the time of day as well, so it's not all that new. Only the fact that a single-aspect signal can display all three colours is new. The reason why I hardly believe this thing will lead to any significant savings in cost is the way I expect it to be constructed: unless the signal's colours are interchangeble (which I doubt) one can swap only a defective colour. But I expect the unit to have a single PCB with all LEDs on them, making it impossible (except for component-level repairs) to repair a single colour. Maybe you wouldn't want to do so, as swapping one defective colour will mean the other two have aged significantly and could lead to great differences in intensity, but still.

[@collectioneur]

Ik kijk veel cab views van over de hele wereld en wat me altijd weer opvalt is dat Nederlandse seinen tot de meest zichtbare horen vanwege die brede rand. Met tegenlicht is dan altijd nog goed de kleur te onderscheiden. Ik begrijp dus echt niet waarom ze nou juist dat aspect verslechterd hebben...

[@mambonummer5]

Het idee van het kleinere schild is dat het sein dichter bij het PVR gehangen kan worden en met het lichtaspect onder de rijdraad kan hangen, wat de zichtbaarheid van het seinbeeld weer verbetert. :)

[@collectioneur]

@@mambonummer5 Dank je wel, nu begrijp ik dat in ieder geval beter...

[@6toeNL]

New signals at 32:58. You're welcome

[@UserDirk]

Held 👌

[@Kromaatikse]

While the more compact (laterally) form factor undoubtedly makes installation easier, and improvements in reliability are always welcome, I am somewhat unconvinced by this new signal. The main function of a signal's backboard (easily the widest part of the existing signals) is to contrast and disambiguate the signal lamps against background lights that may be of similar colour and brightness (eg. sodium street lamps are yellow, and road traffic signals use the same colours too). It is unclear why a brighter type of LED lamp could not be fitted to the existing head design, in the same way as the current type. There also seems to be no place to display the numeric portion of a Dutch signal aspect, which seems to be required in the vicinity of most junctions. There may be variant signal heads which accommodate these needs, but the small test site shown here, using only a single head type, doesn't seem to be an adequate field test upon which to predicate the deployment of the new signal as a general direct replacement for worn-out signals. On the upside, the lamp design seems to avoid a major pitfall encountered with British LED signal heads. These appear to come in three major families, one of which is a direct analogue for the traditional three or four lamp head, with a single-coloured LED lamp in place of each incandescent lamp. The other two types can show any of the three colours in one aperture, but do so by packing three different sets of LEDs, one for each colour, into the space. One of them has chosen a fairly attractive pattern that spreads the LEDs of any individual colour out evenly. The other has arranged the red and green LEDs in distinct rows and the yellow ones in a grid, so that when showing the most commonly encountered aspects (red or green), it looks at first as though the lamp is malfunctioning - and even when you remind yourself that's not the case, it looks just plain ugly.

[@DanCojocaru2000]

The signal does have a numeric LED display in the middle, above the light.

[@mambonummer5]

There is a place reserved for the numeric portion on this signal, but that's not really visible in the video. The number is displayed in the middle, below the sun visor 3/4ths to the top. The contrast is partially mitigated with light sensors on the front an back of the signal, so it can adjust it's light strength individually according to the local light situation; a signal aspect can shine brighter if the sun is shining from the back for instance.

[@SebastianD334]

I really don't think the backboard being so narrow is a problem, in switzerland the backboards on our type-L signals are half a meter wide, which seems very similar to these new generation signals, and I've never heard any train drivers complain about the signals being too small to read here.

[@Jules_Diplopia]

You do make us work, waiting for the information. The new signal seems to have a thinner face, which I would have expected to be easier to miss. But if the drivers are happy, then the rest of the changes are improvements.

[@UnshavenStatue]

I agree, it's harder to pick out from the landscape

[@roxannehoff2889]

As a driver I'm not a fan. They are more difficult to spot from far away during the day since you miss the black background. Most drivers don't like changes, especially not when there isn't a real issue to begin with :)

[@puikepuck]

@@roxannehoff2889 the issue, besides of course that these are cheaper to make (but not that much cheaper to make that the main reason), is that the old signals are too wide to place in sight on a multi-track (3 or more) stretch, because they were too wide to hang them low enough to be at eye sight and not be hit by trains. These narrower signals can be placed lower and still off-profile, which should make them easier to spot. Since more and more stretches in NL are widened from 2 to 4 tracks, this will more and more become an issue.

[@puikepuck]

@@roxannehoff2889 the idea is that the signals will be better visible because they'll be on eye height. With "lower" I mean the light will be at the same hight the old signals were when they were on a standalone pole rather than a portal with multiple signals. Those portals are now placed quite high, because the old signals are too big to fit outside profile when hanging above the tracks rather than standing next to them. For clarification: the signals that are on their own standalone pole will not change in height. I'm not a train driver, so you probably know better than me, but as far as I know, not a particular lot of railway tracks have streetlights, so I don't think drivers mistaking yellow signals for streetlights will be a regular occurance. But correct me if I'm wrong. Either way, as I said, only the signals on portals will be placed lower, at around the same height as those on their own standalone poles. If you never mistook those for streetlights, probably you won't mistake the new signals for streetlights either. Especially not because streetlights usually don't have a reflecting white border around them, which these new signals do. And if you miss a yellow light after all, surely ATB will remind you of it.

[@BaltimoreAndOhioRR]

Happy new week! 🎀🎀

[@abus3562]

I enjoyed the ride, thanks for letting come with you. I also enjoyed your interesting comments regarding the new signal light

[@mmsmits2868]

Clear, well-done information on the signals. While unfortunate from a financial perspective, at some point it just becomes prohibitively expensive to keep updating old technology. If the new signals are easier to maintain, more reliable and work well for the drivers, then updating all is a no-brainer. Great ride as always!

[@kris5451]

It's funny how I, this morning, searched far and wide on KZbin for the new signals but couldn't find a cabview video including them - then I see this video on my frontpage :D

[@CabviewHolland]

:-)

[@ruperthankin6139]

Thank you. Your comments about the new signal were very informative and makes it easier for someone like me who isn't well informed about railway signalling.

[@dave55uk]

Firstly, I appreciate your captions being in English LOL. And I also like how they are displayed BEFORE the station/junction whatever, as it gives one time to read it. Oh, and I like the old signals 🙂

[@ThomasM]

The new signal can be seen at 32:55 btw if anyone wants a shortcut

[@richardwoods5236]

Thank you very informative. Liked the length of each caption. Very similar to UK's Led one light 3 aspect secondary line signal, well used technology so nothimg new just getting the look right from the drivers point of view. I personally feel a run of new type signals would speed the process. 😄

[@ronminnich]

The way you provided information was very helpful and interesting. Thanks!

[@SeinwezenModeltreinen]

Het is nieuw en anders. Ik heb ze alle 6 in Meteren geïnstalleerd en dat was wel makkelijker dan met de oude seinen. Of het beter is gaan we in de loop der jaren ondervinden. Ze zijn in ieder geval een stuk moderner qua techniek en op de nieuwe interlock installaties kunnen ze ook gemonitord worden.

[@CabviewHolland]

Hee, leuk om hier van je te horen Sander!

[@karteltje]

Als aanstaande aspirant-machinist ga ik het vanzelf meemaken. Ik moest een paar keer kijken hoe de indeling was, maar ik denk dat het zeker gaat wennen. Voor onderhoud en storingsgevoeligheid denk ik zeker dat het een vooruitgang is. Adaptief licht kan heel goed werken en als de reflectie bijdraagt aan de zichtbaarheid, dan moet het goed komen. Ik ga het de komende maanden zien.

[@theobrattinga500]

Weer een hele mooie video meester !!

[@alexosborne5629]

Highly informative Vincent ! Your details explains the reasons behind the changes. Nobody wants a broken signal, can see these taking a while to get used to. I think it would be wise to introduce these on new lines,as all driver that will learn that track layout should have no problem learning the new type of signal. There is a Yorkshire say that my Dad used to say " if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I think this may apply in this case..... P.s. enjoyed this trip, the weather was perfect!!!

[@iobuov]

What purple signal means to you? If the green diodes decide to burn out? ;-) " if it ain't broke, don't fix it" Yes! Here we se a case where for minor savings "management types" are ready to sacrifice hundreds to thousands of lives! What are the savings? 10000 signals, 2 lights less at about 50E per light... Half a million euros? Less than half oh the quarter bonuses of managers... In years! It will be much more efficient to fire 50% of the "top" managers!

[@CabviewHolland]

Thanks!

[@efaber3565]

The new signalling will be a great improvement. The next step could be retrofit the current 1.5kV to 25kV but all in due time. Another well done video Vincent.

[@CabviewHolland]

Thanks!

[@miles5600]

i think they're already doing that. i saw a transformer getting replaced by a really big transformer in my area.

[@DanCojocaru2000]

I've read somewhere that there was an analysis and the better solution they found was to raise the voltage to 3 kV, same as Belgium. It would be cheaper to do while also raising power and increasing compatibility.

[@roellaverman6071]

A) Het sein straalt iets oostblok achtigs uit, 1 lamp en voor de rest nutteloos zwart. B) de plek bij binnenkomst in 's-Hertogenbosch rechts werd of wordt nog gebruikt voor het verladen van de autonachttreinen richting het oosten.

[@TheDiveO]

eastern block like? Don't see why, as OSShD either comes with separated backplates with two, three lamps, or single ones with usually more than one lamp; maybe you are thinking of Poland's single/double aspect advance signals that have only a single yellow that either is fixed (await stop) or flashes (await 40kmh or so)?

[@mavadelo]

Staan die signalen daar zodat ze jullie reactie kunnen meteren?

[@CabviewHolland]

Dat zal vast de bedoeling sein.

[@Jiskefet39]

@18:49 Het is deels het auto/slaaptrein laadperron en aan de buitenzijde waren loodsen dus voor goeder verlading. Mogelijk post of Van Gent en Loos.

[@pieterb7714]

Ik vrees dat de nieiwe seinen overdag minder goed zichtbaar zijn door een kleinere oppervlakte van de zwarte achtergrond.

[@LauriraYT]

Eindhoven de gekste! Erg mooie informatie aan het begin en tijdens de rit. De NG seinen zijn wat mij betreft prima, kan ze goed zien. Alleen zijn mensen wellicht niet tevreden met verandering in het algemeen, aangezien de "oude" seinen het ook prima doen.

[@Tickettoriderailway]

The signals look fine to me from the UK (WHERE WE ARE ALSO REPLACING OUR CLASSIC COLOUR LIGHT SIGNALS) However would not the ETCS make more sense for such a densely worked railway? On a more general note - why are Dutch Regional and IC trains so slow? Despite, on the face of it anyway, extremely favourable topography 140kph seems the max and 120 the normal. Even these modest speeds are seldom reached or maintained! Or is there a LOT of recovery time built in? I know NS is just one big metro but journeys such can be quite long!

[@CabviewHolland]

Distances are too short, and the current safety system ATB does not allow higher speed than 140. Ertms takes a lot of time to implement. Our new stock have Ects on board, soon the old Virm stock will be getting this system too.

[@robbiehakstor806]

De VIRM in het begin van deze video heeft wat mij betreft de mooiste kleurstelling, t.o.v. de andere twee varianten VIRM die ik ken. Verder, dank voor de informatieve video.👌

[@blocka58]

Very informative and appreciated.

[@janbrusket5296]

Dankjewel voor alweer een mooie treinreis. Ik heb de nieuwe lichtseinen gezien. De vormgeving is erg smal. De LED verlichting is beter. Ik zou eerder de oude seinen voorzien van LED verlichting. Belangrijke dingen zoals seinen moeten niet veranderen van vorm. Vernieuwing is niet altijd verbetering. Wat vindt de Meester?

[@trainsandmodelshungary]

Really enjoyed it, thanks!

[@Clear_Ski3s]

You presented the information on the new signal nicely, thanks!

[@marcvanderwee]

Op 31.00 Dr. W. Hupkesbrug. De originele brug is idd uit 1869, maar de huidige (een spoor) uit 1947 en de 2e, andere spoor, uit 1951. Bron: Dr. Ir. W. Hupkesbrug van Solid Services Engineering. Brug is ook een typische constructie uit die periode.

[@CabviewHolland]

Ah, goed gevonden. Ik ga het er voortaan bij zetten!

[@dglcomputers1498]

Some of our new ones here in the UK are simply thin black boxes with up to multiple three different colours of led's on the front to make a circle of each colour, and up to two aspects for 2, 3 or 4 position signalling. Look for VMS lightweight signals.

[@hans2406]

Het oude achtergrondbord is een beproefd model en helpt zeker om het sein waar te nemen. Indien er met een lamp gewerkt wordt en drie kleuren op dezelfde hoogte getoond worden is de extra info van bijvoorbeeld "hoog groen" weg.

[@jordyvelders2889]

Moet zeggen de smalheid zorgt voor een fijner en nieuwer beeld maar moet toegeven dat 3 lichten zouden kunnen helpen bij het verbeteren van het zicht van het sein. over het algemeen is mijn mening positief over het nieuwe ontwerp

[@roelofvenema6500]

Goede mooie video, mr Cabview Holland. Vind dat nieuwe sein die ProRail in overleg met machinisten heeft ontwikkeld wel wat hebben. Vind de kast wel wat klein om eerlijk te zijn. Heb op de video goed moeten gluren om het sein niet te missen. Maar dat zal wennen zijn neem ik aan. Zal op de plattegrondkaarten van Den Bosch eens zoeken hoe de railway yard aan zuid- en noordzijde heten. Heb in dienst gelegen in Vught. Groet uit Zandvoort.

[@CabviewHolland]

Ik ben benieuwd of je de namen kunt vinden. Ze worden niet genoemd op de spoorkaarten in onze wegkennisbank.

[@Thomas_TdK]

weinig op aan te merken, word even wennen dat de cijferbak bovenop zit maar dat is alles. wat wel een duidelijke verbetering is is de witte lijn om de rand van het zwarte schild. ben er al een paar keer in het donker langs gereden en de het reflecteert goed, ze zijn echt goed zichtbaar

[@andrewclarkehomeimprovement]

If tests show that it is more reliable and has better visibility especially in bright direct sunlight then that's a good thing. I suspect however that lower cost is a prime motivation for this change but hidden under 'improvements'.

[@iobuov]

Trouble is... In bright light color recognition is very slow and not reliable. That is why over the years all of the signals came to have distinctive patterns where it is irrelevant what color you see or if you can distinguish red from yellow. Light position on the signal gives you 99.5% of the information you need. Here we see a clear attempt of the mass murder by corporate types to save 10% of their annual bonuses over 10 years...

[@robertsimon6500]

Here in the US almost all the track signals are now led, the railroad personnel call them Darth Vader's. The traffic / Crossing signals are all being changed out. They are amazing to see the retro-fit they are as thin as a dinner plate and put our 10X more light

[@normanriggs848]

Another well done and professional video. Thank you!

[@mrheineken88]

Van 3 naar 1 is geen goed idee. Als je door wat voor lichtomstandigheid de kleur niet kan zien, kan je nu in ieder geval nog zien aan de positie van het licht wat het is. De automatische aanpassing daar in tegen is een goede ontwikkeling.

[@geoffreymoore1510]

Hi Vincent This was a great ride over some very familiar routes I have seen with you, before. The new signals do look clearer even in the day time and I bet, better at night.I have to look and see what else I have missed from you as I have been gone a while.

[@CabviewHolland]

Thanks and welcome back Geoffrey!

[@Dutchrailfann]

Ik vind zelf het design van het nieuwe Sein eerlijkgezegd veels te klein en valt niet zo snel op als de oudere seinen.

[@dusty.7792]

I honestly like the innovation. Hungary got rid of wide and ugly signals centuries ago. We also use narrower signals, however we don't have a number board, the signal aspect is based on the color, light or flashing of the lights. I think the lights could be a little bit bigger, but other then that, I'm a fan! I hope it works out!

[@richardbalemans799]

Lijkt mij een beetje op het principe van seinstelsel '46. Dit waren lichtseinen met 1 lamp en een kleurwisselaar ervoor die de kleuren groen, geel en rood konden tonen. Ben trouwens in het bezit van een lichtsein van het type '46. Staat op een blok beton bij mij in de tuin.

[@CabviewHolland]

En toont ie groen als je thuis bent?

[@richardbalemans799]

@@CabviewHolland Helaas niet. Alleen als mijn vrouw thuis is kleurt ie rood. Haha

[@knightwolf200612]

Leuk dat je eindelijk weer eens langs mijn stad Den Bosch rijdt! Een van de mooiste authentieke overkappingen in het land, ben echt blij dat ze die compleet gerestaureerd hebben. Sterker nog, van mij hadden ze de overkapping van spoor 6-7 op dezelfde wijze mogen bouwen zodat het station 1 mooi geheel is! Ik kan niet vinden hoe het emplacement aan de zuidkant van Den Bosch heet, maar het is beroemd door de standplaats van de internationale autoslaaptrein :) Het emplacement aan de noordkant heb ik geweten maar ben het even kwijt, en kan er niets over vinden op internet. Het nieuwe sein vind ik meteen al niks. En dat komt niet door de verandering op zich. Ik vind hem veel slechter zichtbaar ten opzichte van de oude seinen met brede zwarte plaat er omheen. De lamp helemaal op het einde van een smalle plaat maakt het nog erger, plaats de lamp dan op z'n minst in het midden. Ik begrijp zowiezo niet waarom er na 70 jaar iets dat door en door goed werkt en alle kinderziektes uit zijn weer veranderd moet worden. Fyra idee, weg er mee. Het oude model kan zonder probs met nieuwe technieken her-ontworpen en geproduceerd worden met dezelfde nieuwe betrouwbaarheid. 3 lampkleuren op verschillende hoogtes is gewoon duidelijker. Wat natuurlijk positief is dat de helderheid aan het omgevingslicht aangepast kan worden, maar dat kan met het oude model seinen ook gewoon gemaakt worden.

[@geraldkaminskas5289]

Alohaaaaaa wat een mooie rit en die nieuwe spoorseinen is echt goed zichtbaar hopen dat ze door het hele land worden geplaatst, Zag er nu 6 spoorseinen die nieuw is

[@TheDaf95xf]

Thanks for the ride buddy 👍🏻 Love the information along the route especially as I’m from the UK 🇬🇧 Back over here we’re installing LED signals on new and old railways 😀 👍🏻

[@custardo]

Seems to me the new signal is indeed visible from somewhat further away. Having the different aspects occupy a single light may be an advantage (allows the light to be placed for optimal visibility) or a disadvantage (missing out on an extra positional clue, especially when the aspect changes). I don't know, doesn't seem to be an enormous step forward. Do these new signals have something to do with the introduction of ETCS?

[@iobuov]

@marcoNLD "cheaper to make and maintain" There will be order of magnitude greater savings from firing one of the "top managers" with no risk of casualties. And about no savings form the "new" signals as RGB LED cost is about the same as a cost of Red, Yellow and Green LEDs. But you will need more expensive and prone to failure LED driver... Not counting that decoding light position takes 10-100 times less time for the brain than decoding the light color.

[@weeardguy]

@@iobuov With the main difference that in the current setup, every aspect has its own driver circuit: the PCB's are drop-in replacements with all components on them to directly swap with a bulb. But even with 1 aspect that can display three colours, I expect every colour to have its own dedicated power supply, with the reason simply being limiting the chance of failure: if you have just 1 power supply for all three colours, one failing power supply will turn the whole signal into a dead (unlighted) signal, while with seperate power supplies, only one colour will fail to light. It's the railways, where reliability is almost at the same level as the aerospace industry when it comes to the choice components and limiting the chance of total failure. Yes, the components inside such signals will be expensive, but they also have to endure a lot...

[@andykrey]

@@iobuov At night, there isn't a visible position. Likewise, from a distance the color becomes discernible long before the postion. Also, while the LED circuitry doesn't change much, you only need one housing instead of three, and mechanics is the real cost factor.

[@docman6157]

signal looks good but I think the swiss newer signals are easier to see, the info display in the video is fine too

[@EllipticGeometry]

More important is what you think. I’m not the one sitting in a cab, peering out to find and read them. I do find their shape a bit funny. The backplate is still quite large, but not placed around the light where it matters most. Presumably it’s to maintain a more recognizable shape or to have compatible mounting. I’m not fond of the trend to have small very bright lights. Anywhere but super far it’s going to sear your retina, perhaps even reducing clarity. Aside from the previous problem, loss of vertical positioning will take some getting used to but is probably not so bad.

[@thom3124]

Good morning from Michigan, USA, I do enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for doing them.

[@CabviewHolland]

Thank you :-)

[@Paul-qk5et]

Fantastic video. Enjoying the ride.

[@Weldoefred]

In eerste instantie is de zictbaarheid zwakker omdat je met je ogen meer moet zoeken. Ik vraag me af hoe dat zit met volle zon hoe goed zichtbaar het signaal is en de afstand waarbij dit goed waargenomen kan worden. Door rood licht rijden of met volle snelheid door geel rijden lijkt mijn inziens daarmee een groter risico afgaande natuurlijk aan het waarnemend vermogen van de treinmachinist.

[@de.almeida]

woah, I like the new cinematic intro, lessgoooo!!!!!

[@johanvanes9411]

Ook al zullen deze lampen vast veel betrouwbaarder zijn toch vraag ik me af hoe ze de kleur oranje/geel weergeven met deze lamp. Normaal doe je dit door groen en rood te mengen (beide kleuren staan aan) dit kan een serieus probleem geven als rood stuk is. Dan wordt oranje/geel ineens wat minder fel groen. Ik hoop dat hier aan gedacht is maar dit is wel wat mij als eerste te binnen schiet als ik naar een stoplicht van led kijk met meerdere kleuren in de zelfde lamp. Wanneer je de lampen opsplitst dan kan je dit met een (glazen)filter voorkomen. De grote van het zwarte bord eromheen is inderdaad smal maar door de lengte is het wel duidelijk dat hier een sein is en wanneer machinisten aan dit sein gewend raken zal de lokatie van de lamp niet veel uitmaken.

[@dannydullaart7262]

Bedankt voor weer een mooie rit meester.

[@APVW-aviation-videos]

When the sun is low and with backlight, I'm afraid that they are difficult to see thanks to the back. Hopefully you haven't forgotten the snow caps as with the first LED signals? Were hidden when it snowed! Been a traindriver for 39 years.

[@JacGoudsmit]

(English below) Dus rood, geel en groen zijn nu hetzelfde licht. Heeft men erbij nagedacht dat dit een probleem kan zijn voor rood/groen kleurenblinde machinisten? Trouwens je geeft niet veel informatie over Station Eindhoven (Centraal), dus hier is was trivia "man-splaining": De eerste twee stations stonden ongeveer op dat grasveld middenin de luchfoto die je op 0:47 laat zien; het spoor was toen op de "begane grond", en de "Woenselse overweg" (die lag waar nu de Bijenkorf staat, links in de video) was ongeveer drie kwartier per uur dicht. Na de 2e wereldoorlog is het hoogspoor gebouwd. Het dak van het huidige (3e) station is gemaakt met Bailey bruggen die door de geallieerden na de oorlog zijn achtergelaten. -- So red, yellow and green are now the same light. Have they considered that this might be a problem for red/green colorblind drivers? By the way, you don't show much information about Eindhoven station, so here's some trivia "man-splaining": The first two stations were approximately where the field is in the middle of the aerial picture that you show around 0:47. The tracks were at ground level back then, and the "Woensel railroad crossing" (which was where the Bijenkorf is now, left in the video just after departure), was closed around 45 minutes out of every hour. After World War 2, the high level tracks were built. The roof of the current (3rd) station was made out of Bailey bridges that were left behind by the Allied forces after the war.

[@CabviewHolland]

Dankjewel voor de info! Het eerste wat bij een sollicitatie getest wordt is kleurenblindheid :-)

[@bleekie46]

Zover ik deze seinen kan beoordelen zijn ze waarschijnlijk even breed als die de amsterdamse metro gebruikt. Zijn er grote LED's gebruikt en zijn deze direct voor de lens geplaatst. De afstelspiegel die bij de gloeilamp wordt gebruikt wordt dan weggelaten.

[@TVARecordings]

32:59 is what y'all been searching for

[@Xs2...]

19:00 always nice to see, that 'old' roof. Not only there but on a few other places as well. So after seeing the new signal around 32:58 I must say: I think they needed an excuse to (re)place them... In my book if I need to focus more on A, instead of shared focus between A and B, it's bad ! The signal is significant smaller then the older one. So just justifying it by; a lot of people know it, but we need something fresh, doesn't make it right ! And technology was already there a few years. Why not keep the same size of lamp surface but make it LED ?!

[@CabviewHolland]

This can be applied in tighter places where it improves visibility.

[@_PJW_]

Het mag even gezegd worden dat Eindhoven CS een prachtig stuk architectuur is. Ik hoop dat het niet het slachtoffer wordt van 'verbeteringen' door Prorail 'management'.

[@shiraharataurus1414]

Will the signal aspect be changed during the replacement of the signal equipments? BTW the one-lamp configuration reminds me of Italian (their aspects are rather complexer than those in the NL) and British equipments, which use the same principle

[@CabviewHolland]

No, aspects will be the same.

[@Sgmm36]

Mooie video 👍Lijken me wat smal de nieuwe seinen.Maar denk wel dat ze genoeg opvallen.Duidelijke uitleg erover.Kon naam sporen bij Den Bosch niet vinden.

[@inflatable2]

Hoe is een sein met een (op het oog) kleinere lamp en duidelijk kleinere smallere achterplaat beter zichtbaar?!?

[@tonywallow964]

It’s different have a great weekend 👍

The existing signals have white boxes at the back. I deduced myself that this color has been choosen instead of black or dark grey to help to distinguish a signal seen from the back from an unlit signal seen from the front. Is this correct ? Is the new signal not missing this feature ?

[@CabviewHolland]

I think I have seen part of the back being white.

[@MrDabaja]

prachtige video

[@MrPeerum]

😊wooow,er zijn heel wat portaalmasten opgefrist,ziet er goed uit om die sommige meer dan 100 jarige masten op te knappen,echte kwalitijd.👍👍👍

[@philthai99]

So very nice.

[@gordonbritton3215]

Great video as usual thank you.

[@wotireckon]

I like the part where the driver eats the crisps. [5:00]

[@AntonyShannon]

interesting commentary on th enew signals - could we see them in an evening run when it is darker for a comparison. Also I thoguht the netherlands may hav ebeing moving over entrilery to ETCS similar to what is used on the HiSpeed Lines

[@CabviewHolland]

They are clearer at night due to the reflective yellow line at the edges.

[@JomirBrands]

Heel leuk! Mooie rit

[@truckerallikatuk]

The new signals look nice enough, but they should follow the standard layout of all the rest (IE green on top). They could also do with bigger backgrounds to make them more visible in bright sunlight.

[@DanCojocaru2000]

There is only one light that changes color. It does feel odd that the light is below the number box though.

[@marcelocapandeguy8022]

Hermoso cruce de 3 trenes al comienzo. Gracias por las bonitas imagenes.

[@iobuov]

"There be dragons" There is a potential for trouble with "new signals". There never was a problem with implementing "single lamp". Semaphores of the old are the example: Moving color filter (with arm attached...). Trouble? With low sun conditions it could be difficult to determine color of the light from a distance. That was a reason that in many countries they use up to 8 lamps (or even more?) per signal (not counting additional displays and direction indicators used by UK Rail). This way train driver can see what is going on not by color of lamps, but also by pattern of which lamp positions are lit. (Not counting that new signals discriminate against partially color blind people who were able to work as drivers with old systems but will not be safe with new signal with the single lamp.) That is one of the reasons why it is always that red is on top, green on the bottom of the traffic lights. Some countries experimented with horizontal traffic lights... But replaced most (maybe all) horizontal lights by now. They _are_ confusing. And take conscious effort to "decode": "Reptile mind" analyze and place positions of the bright spots in nanoseconds, color recognition takes seconds sometimes. (Do you know? Scientists made some experiments with Amazonian tribes, who never see a clear sky because of the foliage. Those people were unable to see/recognize color "light blue" on the spectrum. They had no concept of/for that color. As there is no "light blue" color on British/American rainbow, as there is no single separate word for light blue. So their rainbow is of six colors, no seven as in many other countries.) So - color recognition is slow and implemented on "software" level. Light position recognition is fast as it is implemented on "hardware" level. Reflective border is useless. Only reasonable use is in road traffic signals, as it shows when an additional section of the traffic light for turn is present.

[@TheDiveO]

You are equalling non-discriminating road traffic with tightly controlled train traffic. They are not equal. I don't like to see the typical car driver getting near any train controls without extensive training, certification and supervision. The question whether to use a single search light design or separate lights depends on many factors, and train networks value them differently, not least the safety relevant aspects. The single search light can be realized using multi-color LEDs (which I doubt, as they are much less reliable and difficult to drive due to their common Anodes or Cathodes), or using fiber optics. The latter complicates things, so separate lights might be not so bad an idea, especially as single lights can be replaced instead of the much more complex fiber optics searchlight type. It also depends on the outdoor conditions, ...

[@iobuov]

@@TheDiveO

[@Paulj2]

Ik zag het goed de sienen. Den boch opstel?????

[@raomsr8576]

Unbelievable the train running at 140km speed. No standing, No that much of noice. Good 👍

[@keystonedriving8180]

The new signals are using technology which is already in use elsewhere, so it is proven. I wonder whether a wider backing plate (as on the existing signals) would be an advantage with the sun low in the sky behind the signal? What I did notice before we got to that point was that some existing signals have green at the top, others have green in the middle. This seems to be potentially confusing. I assume that red is always at the bottom (as in the UK) and it's just yellow and green changing places. At some point in the future you won't have to bother with these pesky lights at the side of the line, it'll all be on the desk in front of you! Which is fine until the computer crashes.........

[@Carfree-Cities]

Further thought: if the entire system employs cab signalling, there is the question of whether or not wayside signals are needed at all.

[@QueentasticTDP]

Starting to look like german ones lmao But signal looks good and seems to be an imprevement. What i do NOT understand is.. WHy not start to just implement ERTMS ETCS and let the old signals stay untill fully implemented. This way its only the overhead wires that dictates what trains can go into NL.

[@leslietingey3873]

i don't know if its me but the new lights look raised higher than the old ones . like the white back ground

[@jacquesguay1125]

New signals. Excellent. Coming into the modern era. I wish that the railroad companies would do the same. Concrete dormers would be nice instead of wood. Some of the technical aspects like rail changing could be better. I could go on . . .

[@iobuov]

"Coming into the modern era." How so? I would say "returning 100 years back" to when a semaphore had one light source and several filters on the arm... And returning to casualties rates of 100 years before. Why there are still "signals" in the era when we can know position of each and every train to 0.5 meters at worst? Without any satellite equipment? (you know these "radars" used to find shorts or breaks in any cable? Sometimes with millimeter precision?)

[@UserDirk]

Ik denk dat het een mooie evolutie is t.o.v. het AY-sein. Qua looks komt het NG-sein ietwat smal over. De verbeteringen spreken in ieder geval voor zich!

[@Nieyels]

Ik denk dat de nieuwe seinen wel een verbetering zijn. Toch denk ik dat het zou helpen als de zwarte plaat breder zou zijn voor de zichtbaarheid.

[@MrPeerum]

😊op 10:50 rechts een in kommende spoorlijn,waar komt die vandaan bij bovenleidingmast 40.S 🤔

[@CabviewHolland]

Ja dat wilde ik ook nog uitzoeken. Weet iemand het?

[@Fabiansegara1969]

Het is "het Duits Lijntje" van Boxtel naar Wesel. Helaas niet meer in gebruik. Deze deed vroeger dienst als Internationale Spoorlijn tussen London en St. Petersburg.

[@daanwolters3751]

Maar als de overstap naar emtrs gedaan is (ik weet het duurt decennia) dan zijn seinen toch niet meer nodig? En is her wel de moeite om nieuwe te ontwepen voor die tijd?

[@pjotrtje0NL]

ETCS in heel Nederland gaat nog wel een decennium of twee duren, onze zuiderburen doen het een stuk sneller… Dus goed dat er over efficiëntie, kostenbesparing en minder onderhoud nagedacht wordt.

[@CabviewHolland]

Er worden nog steeds seinen vervangen. Ook die slijten.. roest en lekkage in de lampenbakken en dergelijke.

[@daanwolters3751]

@@CabviewHolland oh ja tuurlijk, soms begeeft een losse sein het. Ik weet wel dat alle diesellijnen in het noorden versnelt emtrs krijgen omdat het hele seinsysteem in 2030 vervangen moet worden, maar dat is anders dan een losse sein natuurlijk.

[@daanwolters3751]

@@pjotrtje0NL 2038 voor belgie en 2040 voor nederland toch dat het ingevoerd wordt op alle lijnen? Maar af en toe moet een los sein vervangen worden natuurlijk.

[@pjotrtje0NL]

Klopt,@@daanwolters3751, maar de Belgen zijn al veel, veel verder dan Prorail…

[@bw4t]

Many traffic lights (verkeerslichten) here in the US are LED, but in some parts of the country blowing snow is a problem. The old lightbulbs generated enough heat to melt any snow blown onto the lens. With the LEDs, there's almost no heat generated, and traffic lights get covered with snow and drivers cannot see what colour they are. Hebben de nieuwe spoorweg lichtseinen iets for verwarming in 't winter tegen waaiende sneeuw?

[@DJTrainBrain]

What snow? 😛 (I have no clue.)

[@puikepuck]

@TechnologyConnections made a video about that. Normally, LED traffic lights have a heating element embedded in the lens that should melt snow off the lights. I've seen that here in NL as well, even though we barely have any snow at all.

[@Carfree-Cities]

I don't like the reduced backlight protection--against the sun, the signals will be more difficult to read.

[@DavidSmith-cf4wq]

Is the Route from OLST to DEVENTER being changed from Single Track back to Double Track again. ??

[@CabviewHolland]

No.

[@MrPeerum]

😊bedankt weer voor de mooie rit,op het eind de Koploper 4225. fijn weekend verders.greetz:🍐Peer. nu 0200 uur.proost!!!!!!!!!

[@bristwenty]

My question with the new signals, what about the speed variable signals, the ones that display, say a green aspect but has the speed limit displayed below it like 4,6,8,13. Will those signals be replaced with something similar later as well?

[@CabviewHolland]

No, this signal can show a number, above the lamp.

[@vaaggasje]

Laat je die trein vanaf Culemborg uitrollen?

[@brian1426]

Het lijkt er wel op

[@CabviewHolland]

Ja

[@vaaggasje]

@@CabviewHolland dat verklaart meteen waarom intercity's vanuit het zuiden nooit echt hard door Houten komen, viel me al vaker op.

[@MrPeerum]

leuk de koploper 4225. greetz🍐"Peer.

[@Marcikutyaful]

I'd like to ask what is the track surface before and after the road crossing at 15:34?

[@CabviewHolland]

Preventing people to get on the tracks.

[@Marcikutyaful]

@@CabviewHolland Thank you...very useful, I'm a railway accident investigator of MÁV

[@dleogump2752]

another interesting vidio--here in australia most road traffic lights have been replaced with LED,S --love your channel, very relaxing & informative

[@CabviewHolland]

Thanks!

[@roboftherock]

As a passenger, I am of the mind that as long as the indications given by any signal are unambiguous, then whatever form they come in is immaterial. I wonder why Prorail is developing this 'new generation signal' when the EU seems to be pushing for total immersion in ETCS with its in-cab signalling. As for your presentation of the new facts, if you had only put them in the description, then a lot of people would not have reasd it, not have seen your request for comments, so yes, this was a good way of giving the details. PS. Were trying for the 'coasting' or 'free-wheeling' record on NS? I reckon the last 28 km (roughly where the Betuweroute crossed over your path) were not under power.

[@TheDiveO]

Reality is cost and time. ETCS Level 2 is for high speed lines with dense schedules. You can't simply replace all signalling with ETCS L2, unless you happen to work for one of the equipment vendors or have too many shares in them. It is simply too costly. Many single lines work well with fixed track-side signalling and digital signal boxes.

[@peterthecoderd.1210]

The signals are tiny. How are you supposed to see them in bad weather?