This is the last straw!!

I don't enjoy doing things like this but I feel like I had no option but to point this out.
If this standard of work keeps getting sent out to sites around the country it's gonna cause problems for lots of people.
It's a design problem I feel. The people who are creating the product have very little hands on experience. This leads to big problems when products arrive on site. The cables don't fit, the panels are too small or like the product in this video, pretty much unfit for purpose.
#cable #cablejointer #cablejointing #electrical #electrician #bigcables #construction

[@StubbyPhillips]

The problem is always the people who wear neckties. Ties restrict blood flow to the brain causing them to overlook obvious things like: "pay attention to feedback from the folks who actually *_use_* the stuff!"

[@mustardcrumbles]

Nowt at this level but the factory manager of M2 came to my workplace about the sparks moaning about their domestic consumer units. We explained the lack of space, weird none standard screw heads, flimsy enclosure and poor busbar. He walked off just thinking we were moaning for the sake of it because he didn't understand and we as a company ditched them. I don't understand why companies can't have professional users on the design teams

[@sergiofernandez3725]

That is a poor design. The customer should demand the designer attend site to see the error of their ways. There are too many designer out there doing the same, they lack installation experience and engineering judgement. Moreover a designer who does not ask for feedback from an installer is a fool

[@thomasdilworth7691]

I know the pain, mate. Worked on a job in Dublin back in 2000, 12 4x185 comming up a riser on to some ladder rack leaving me 180mm drop from the rack to the gland plate!!! Same crack, 300x300mm header trunking had to be installed and it looked like a dog's dinner when complete! Loving the videos, mate.

[@Logical_Controls]

Don't even need to take a panel off to tell that you're in for a rough ride with it having Eastron meters on the doors.

[@valgardurhalldorsson4006]

I feel your pain, this is only getting worse as the years go by, I connected a frequency converter a few weeks ago 3 x 4 x 240mm2, i had 35cm to bend these 12, just imagine the immense amount of cursing it took to finish that. :(

[@jointechcabling9103]

I'm pretty sure with a name like that you summoned viking power and bent the cores like they were 25mm!! It's terrible that the design team think that is acceptable.

[@M0PAX]

The designer should go to site and install some cables

[@acespark1]

I am with you on crap design issues like these, but it doesn't end there, how many different screw types get put on a simple isolator and the thing is usually so small there is no room for the gland and lock nut, so forget the bloody cable use bluetooth power. I can go on all day about this rubbish. Keep up the great work you do 💪👍

[@liveoak227]

Aint watched the vid yet but I just got off a 16 hour turnover shift here in the good ol USA. I'm crackin a Heineken and pressing play, happy friday night yall!

[@tommymack3210]

What's a turnover shift?

[@dingodeano]

Tony - the hero we deserve x

[@jointechcabling9103]

🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻

[@johnwaby4321]

Just typical Tony .I have struggled with panel lay outs before . How they expect to getbthe cables in is ridiculous. 😯👍👍

[@micro343]

Happens time and time again panel builders are under pressure to save on space and materials due to cost its a joke really. Worked on one of those panels your lucky you got the pins for the breaker

[@carlhobson1578]

Trouble is Tony it’s all money driven, it’s the client driving the price down all the time.

[@thetruth6693]

Well said mate 👏

[@workshopchrisyt3017]

What's the chances thoes 8mm ring crimps will be a soft material, then when a decent lug and big cable is torqued up on top of them, they will gradually become deformed causing a high resistant conection especially if those isolators are upto 250A.

[@sparkiegaz3613]

As we now say shit is the new good.😂. No such thing as shit everything is good….imagine you have charged them for your inconvenience you have done the best possible as always..👍

[@angusbrown8707]

Name and shame the company get them tagged , it’s the only way things can improve

[@jointechcabling9103]

I know. Hopefully they'll see this video and improve their output. If I have to work on another of their panels and it's still bad I'll name them.

[@brianoneill350]

Great video

[@mikeselectricstuff]

3:52 the fuse carrier is on a DIN rail and looks like they've deliberately left some slack on the cabling to allow it to be unclipped and pulled out of the way.

[@mustardcrumbles]

Understand that point but Tony's points are still valid, their is space to move the carrier elsewhere in that enclosure so he doesn't have to. Sometimes people underestimate how difficult to move large cables are and the inconvenience of having to move things makes it harder

[@Jay369]

Are you really defending this?

[@joeglabus7255]

Its sole destroying it looks great on paper but its the guys on the ground that got to put it away cracks me up 👍

[@alistair1978utube]

🐟sole

[@joeglabus7255]

@@alistair1978utube sorry to offend dyslexic

[@user-vh2cf7zu1m]

send the video to the company along with an invitation for their designers to attand the cabling of their products.

[@gavinnicholl9814]

Would the switch handle still couple correctly with the switch if the doors were hinged the other way?

[@1992Craigster]

Thats really bad, and someone will have accepted and signed that off at a FAT.

[@piggetus]

Nightmare set-up 😂😂😂😂.

[@Pieman2008i]

Think i know the brand, crawling about on my hands and knees trying to get the neutral in while being slapped about by the door. Think i used 3 extensions to get them bolts tightened.

[@jointechcabling9103]

I had 3 extensions on as well🤣🤣🤣

[@craiggoddard488]

I think I’d have walked off that one mate

[@pault4793]

🤣 dont name them hes says, you videoed the name on the panel , nice vid by the way

[@hotdeal3156]

Has he edited it out? I couldn’t see the name. Strange they went to the expense of using quality Schneider breakers but not their power meters. Best off just getting the whole panel from Schneider or at least a quality panel builder like Knight or MCH

[@stefanovanenio]

I've been saying this for years, the people designing these things should field test their products...OR, here is an idea, get a sparks in during R&D to point out ways of making things easier for the guys on site!!

[@andyleggatt1846]

I appreciate the reasons for not naming the company, but I do think that it is worthwhile to find every e-mail address for them online, and send them this video. Make them see this video! On another note, do most panel manufacturers use the same paint coatings? This seems very familiar....

[@andyleggatt1846]

Also, on most other panels Ive seen, the metering is all fed from an auxiliary supply, removing the need to take a supply from every single chamber, seems strange that this wasn't the case here...

[@pault4793]

its Schneider🤣, they are a pain when designing panels, deserved to be named

[@hotdeal3156]

That’s 100% not a Schneider panel 😂 I just commented on your other comment but now I think you are just confused because you saw a Schneider breaker. They wouldn’t fit some other companies power meters 😂 The whole build is different, badge on every section, grey vented top, grey kick plates etc, it’s not even close

[@carlmarquardt994]

Mate..What a balls ache..wjst one earth were they thinking?

[@markfrancis1681]

Don’t blame the manufacturer, they would 100% never build a panel until someone from the customer/ client have signed off the drawings been in your shoes many times with LV panels , it’s the doughnuts in the office

[@jointechcabling9103]

I disagree. The fact that they open the door towards the cable way is a fundamental flaw. If they can allow that to happen then all manner of design disasters are open to happen. You should never send anything out of your factory, regardless of customer preference, if you know it's not correct. You would knowingly tell the customer that it's wrong because you have that acquired experience. However, if you don't have the experience or skills to notice that flaws of the customers requirements then you are an ill eqiupt design/manufacturing business.

[@HeathenGeek]

Who's the manufacturer? Watched a vid there where a guy was putting in one of the new Fusebox 3-phase boards and was saying there were problems with early designs, but they listened to feedback from the sparks on-site and made changes. That's what's going to happen here. A new company will come along and no cnt will bother with the company that doesn't want to listen to the guys on-site, that doesn't want to take in feedback. If they think they're in a market where they don't have to compete, they won't bother. So anywhoo, who's making them boards there then?

[@YGELLYPIKER]

MEF conduit and accessories are a bag of shite

[@DS1-1a]

Graduates with no practical experience. This is the problem.