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Framework is a company that was set up to basically do the opposite of Apple- they make laptops that are specifically designed to give you the freedom to repair, replace, upgrade, and improve your devices! They sent me their latest offering, a 12th gen intel upgrade kit for the Framework Laptop. When you look at Framework Laptop vs MacBook Pro, the comparison is certainly interesting! Right to repair, upgradability, and modularity are key to Framework; Apple, not so much. Today let's take a deep dive into the Framework and see what it offers!
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[@changez77654]

I have two opposing thoughts in my brain - a) I can never see myself buying this laptop b) I really want this company to succeed and do well

[@GoldenGearGrinder]

Personally, the guarantee that if a single part breaks I can still use this laptop by swapping that part is very enticing. Especially if things like batteries get smaller, or chips get faster.

[@lukemiani]

Same 😆 I wouldn’t be able to use this every day but I wish them the best

[@ucanthavemyname9802]

I love what this company is doing as well and apparently that thought caused controversy in this comment section. However, I myself wouldn’t necessarily buy this particularly device either as I prefer to have a dedicated GPU, and as someone who likes to carry as few things as possible for a laptop, I wouldn’t really want to go with the thunderbolt eGPU approach myself.

[@sebastiandalton3981]

This is exactly what I think. I love the Mac operating system. But I really want Framework to do well. I just can’t justify switching to Windows.

[@GoldenGearGrinder]

Everyone in this comment chain is forgetting something. Hackintosh.

[@DavidCooper71]

This Framework idea is brilliant. Reminds me of a Steve Wozniak approach to technology. Definitely something the industry has been missing for too long.

[@handlemonium]

Ditto I'd say the same for Fairphone and Shiftphone as well.

[@shaungreer3350]

so basically just incredibly user friendly and not just for people who know what they’re doing

[@dingdong2103]

This laptop is a joy to use (for the 2-3 hour battery life until it dies)

[@amazingdude9042]

THIS IS SPONSORED BIASED VIDEO. IF YOU WANT TO SEE REALITY OF THIS COMPANY THEN WATCH LINUX VIDEO. Linus himself has invested 250k in this company and he himself is sh*tting all over this company due to ridiculous amount features it lacks.

[@ucanthavemyname9802]

To all of the comments who are going to say “Windows sucks” or “Apple sucks” just stop. You are missing the whole point. We want the whole industry to move forward with the ability to repair devices and that only happens if we as consumers work together to push companies to make us better machines. Stop the “us versus them” mentality. It’s childish. I respect that even though Luke is an Apple fan, he is able to acknowledge when other companies are doing things better, in this case repairability. Great video!

[@garydmercer]

Why do you have a problem with free speech? I absolutely HATE the Windows operating system. HORRIBLE antiquated file management system. Bloated code. TERRIBLE. I would rather run linux on the framework than windows. I have virtual linux machines on my Macs. Work great. I have a Windows 10 machine for the one program that I need that isn't available on the Mac platform. It is horrible. I would consider putting a mackintosh on a framework laptop. When there is an arm processor for framework, I'm sure we will be able to put hacintoshes eventually on these machines.

[@andyH_England]

(edit)..."We want the whole industry to move forward"... a few people want that, but most of us, the vast majority, have zero interest in laptops that you swap out pieces to make a generic enclosure update to newer tech. You go ahead and buy this. Good luck to you, as you will be getting a relatively mediocre experience not having the support of the OEM for firmware updates and possible issues with hardware and software talking as you swap stuff in and out. For most of us making a living out of our work machines, we want and need the support of the OEMs, and I would worry with a concept like this. Anyway, these days, new laptops can last 10 years plus, especially ARM-based, as smartphones have proved how reliable and long-lasting they are.

[@accountid9681]

@@garydmercer i'm pretty sure there's already a working hackintosh config for the framework, but I would recommend not doing that, and just installing linux instead. Ultimately it's your choice.

[@diablorojo3887]

I prever have a opinion, I know, that childish idea that comes from Socrates

[@mcflygarcia]

​@@andyH_England You just dont understand how the ports work right? its all usb-c so its kinda dongle but within the laptop itself, its like you just bought a laptop with only usb c ports (just like apple does) but it came with a lot of dongles that doesnt poke out of the chassis. Smartphone reliable? you gotta change that piece of crap every 3 years tops cause you ran out of power or ran out of support. I got a Iphone X sitting on my shell its not even 5 years old and it's completely trash hell the webcam of my old alienware takes better photos than that. What oem support are you talking about? The way you talk about arm based processors and especially that you think about modularity as a hassel makes this comment "For most of us making a living out of our work machines" very very under likely to be truth. As a hardware specialist for a big IT company i can asure you are terrible wrong., but hey its youtube you can talk the crap you want.

[@thingycat123]

The Framework laptop is what modern laptops should’ve been, portable PC’s. You can upgrade them whenever you want, and customize your machine however you like, rather than buying a completely new machine when a new one comes out.

[@andyH_England]

If Framework-type laptops existed, the PC industry would slowly die, with some OEMs disappearing. We would lose the variety, investment, and innovation as there would be no money in it. Remember, most laptop OEMs get the components off the shelf, and if every laptop was like Framework, then that would cut them out. Where would the support come from, the warranties, and how would software companies cater for users mixing hardware up? Thankfully, that will never happen, as Framework is a bit of a niche user case; the techies that think we should go back to the last century where everything is modular and innovation is dead as you cannot innovate modularity. We saw all the hype with modular phones, and that died quickly, as consumers as a whole did not care. I expect the same with laptops.

[@souljaboi4021]

@@andyH_England who gonna tell him

[@mcflygarcia]

@@andyH_England Yeah cause desktop pc are not modular, pci doesnt exist in this world... just go home kid.

[@hazyproduct1692]

@@andyH_England "you cannot innovate modularity" Mac Pro.

[@MrLukealbanese]

@@andyH_England cobblers

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

The magic of Framework for me is they managed to do this on a laptop with a very portable and modern form factor

[@Yayaloy9]

Modern form factor imo, is fucking shit. They should have designed a laptop that looks like a razer blade. Now that, is a beauty. Not this, stupid curve things.

[@tylersmith2799]

@@Yayaloy9 I think their point was that Framework has managed to make a computer that looks exactly like 90% of other current laptops on the market with a ton of better features. Essentially removing that old "We didn't have the space for a headphone jack" argument.

[@ElevatedSystems]

The little logo on the top right corner of the 3D printed case is the power button. It physically engages the PCB mounted power button when pressed.

[@Lol5967]

Didn't know that you were here.

[@dengyaohou]

I hope this marks the beginning of “build your own laptop”.

[@mikelittle256]

Not going to happen... These things will never sell in enough volume for the components to become commodity and subsequent commodity prices.

[@inkfyuk9647]

@@mikelittle256 they are sold out for over a month. And all 11th gen stuff is sold out. Seems to be selling well to me.

[@BilisNegra]

@@inkfyuk9647 Sold out probably because they've been produced in low numbers up to now. They can't risk ending up with lots of unsold stock at the beginning.

[@mbvglider]

@@BilisNegra Exactly. Sold out can mean low production, supply chain problems, or high sales. I really doubt it's high sales.

[@stultuses]

@@mbvglider Go and read the forums, there are people all over the world waiting for them to come to their country There is a lot of demand

[@samfarabee2963]

I've had my Framework laptop for a couple months ... Absolutely love it! The DIY option wasn't just "Here's the chassis and everything that goes inside it." All I had to install was the RAM, Storage, and WiFi card ... that simple. Some things were a little sub par with really early models but they upgraded for newer ones and you have the option to purchase those upgrades and do them yourself if you choose. They're sleek, easy to work on and the chassis will last, and you can repurpose the cpu when you upgrade. It potentially will save you money in the long run.

[@user-bp8yg3ko1r]

Apple: This is why we *can't* have nice things Framework: This is why we *can* have nice things I love Framework and what they are doing! Absolutely brilliant video, looking forward to more Framework/repair content!

[@AlejoRuy]

It is incredible that we are amazed by things that should have been designed that way since a long time ago. I remember that old computers were very modular.

[@arandomhumanbeing2464]

When I imagined a future I imagined thin and light devices that don’t require maintenance. I didn’t imagine this modular monstrosity.

[@willm5032]

I'm only 32 and I remember laptops having hot swappable parts when I was a kid

[@dickdickling9389]

@@arandomhumanbeing2464 There are no devices that don't require maintenance. No matter the what, any devices would need something replaced in the future. Physics literally forbid this, the closest we have to a no maintenance device is a smartphone, and unless they start getting powered by magic dust then your vision will never come true.

[@dickdickling9389]

@@willm5032 Same here, although I'm only 21. I have worked at a repair shop before, and the older devices that came in ware always the best to work with, lots of screws but most ware the same, if a part died then you could replace it without any issues. Truly quite sad how terrible most devices are with maintenance these days, love the work that framework is putting in to bring the repair ability back up to what it was and even better.

[@willm5032]

@@dickdickling9389 Yeah its a real nasty trend that comes from a culture of profit over everthing I think.

[@rors4stu]

That's what all the computer companies should be heading towards. An amazing video

[@unlink1649]

but capitalism

[@luxdux452]

The 3D printed case does have a power button, it’s the circle thing next to the wifi antennas. 10:03

[@kennethmenza4244]

That’s a logo maybe not power button

[@ziv_tendoora]

@Kenneth Menza: No, it’s actually the power button. Linus Tech Tips did a similar video recently.

[@kennethmenza4244]

@@ziv_tendoora oh ok my bad

[@mdjey2]

Oh, thats cool.

[@rav4l2003]

Yeah, it’s incredible they even but a power button on the motherboard. It’s not on a ribbon cable going to the top cover or something. It’s just a switch, right on the board, waiting to be pushed. And they put it there just to keep it out of a landfill for a little while longer. Incredible.

[@2Mourty]

This is just amazing that a company actually supports right to repair (and upgrade). I think I might just have to save my pennies and get their lowest priced model just to support the company. Put my money where my mouth is so to speak.

[@joshuamarshall3146]

that 3d printed case does have a powerbutton it is infront of the wifi antennas if you look under it theirs a rod under the button that presses a button on the logic board

[@lukemiani]

😱 that’s sick I didn’t notice

[@MrHacross]

@@lukemiani maybe you are aware or perhaps not, but being New here - I thought I’d let you know that someone is commenting here as you and claiming that we have won a prize. Looks like a phishing attempt to me. Only way I could tell was in this particular reply your name is highlighted and has a check next to it. Plus I’m suspicious by nature when it comes to Internet communication.

[@AyaWetts]

@@MrHacross you must be new here... those scammers are on thousands and thousands of channels on KZbin impersonating everyone....

[@dark13art]

schools should buy those for students …even after they left school upgrading hardware would be beneficial for new students and environment

[@TravellingTechie]

As someone who has had 5 mac laptops, I bought a batch 10 Framework Laptop. I absolutely love it, it's not quite my daily driver but I take it on my many work trips and I'm not disappointed with it. I even get a few enquiries when I'm working in a coffee shop from Joe Public and also colleagues around the world. Yes it doesn't have the polish of a Mac, yet, it is a first generation product, however I think that's part of the charm. I put this laptop together myself and I have a deeper connection to it as a result. I also love the ethos of the company and the fact that I, as a consumer, can elect to upgrade/repair elements of my computer as I want or need to.

[@Papazulu77]

So I've had a Framework for a while now, batch 4 from last year's launch, and as a diehard MacBook user, it's pretty great. It's got it's flaws, and I'm not blown away by it like my 14" MBP, but it's the first Windows/x86 machine I've bought in YEARS, and it's pretty fantastic.

[@Sara-tu6sg]

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[@MrHacross]

Interesting... do you happen to know if Linux has been successfully used on it? I would buy one to run Linux.

[@shanemitchellspencer]

I'm on the fence about the Framework and a MacBook. On one hand, a laptop and a company that I can really get behind (and save a lot of cash on) - and on the other a really incredible product that allows me to stay with macOS. Truth be told I'm not sure how much I actually care about the OS I'm on. It could be a nice change of pace to see if I'm actually a macOS die hard.

[@Papazulu77]

@@shanemitchellspencer I totally get what you're saying. I believe in FW's vision and goal, and they're doing a great job of it. But I am far to deeply entrenched in the Apple Ecosystem to keep the same level of overall productivity switching away from MacOS. Also, in a vacuum, this is an amazing laptop. Light, powerful, modular ports, repairability, all awesome. But next to my 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro, it's got awful speakers, a much lower quality trackpad, and the screen is decent, but can't compete with what Apple just did. And that's before you get into Apple Silicon efficiency. So, while the latest round of Macs are clearly superior hardware, for the times I do need to run Windows or Linux, this is a great computer for me. If I wasn't a Mac guy, this would be my primary laptop in a heartbeat. @Anonymoose_Geek For some reason, my replies to these comments keep getting deleted. Cool, that's helpful. So it absolutely runs Linux. Quite well actually. I have 4 NVMe drives; Win10, Win11, Ubuntu 22.04, and ElementaryOS 6.1, and it takes about a minute to open up the laptop and switch between them. There's an entire FW community/forum full of people running every OS imaginable on it. It's a great little laptop.

[@Papazulu77]

@@MrHacross For some reason, my replies to these comments keep getting deleted. Cool, that's helpful. So it absolutely runs Linux. Quite well actually. I have 4 NVMe drives; Win10, Win11, Ubuntu 22.04, and ElementaryOS 6.1, and it takes about a minute to open up the laptop and switch between them. There's an entire FW community/forum full of people running every OS imaginable on it. It's a great little laptop.

[@harrydsgn]

ooo very excited that you're covering this! Definitely one of the most exciting manufacturers in the space right now. I hope that it actually shifts the culture in the end, and even though I don't really want to use anything but a Mac, I am 100% rooting for them.

[@HealthWinning]

I love how he censored his swears but you can still clearly hear them 💀

[@zumuvtuber]

This is such an amazing concept, I love it so much! I can't see it becoming mainstream though, since most consumers don't really want to (or have the time/knowledge to) tinker with electronic devices, unfortunately (especially if it's something they need to be reliable and use everyday). But hopefully that changes in the future!

[@W1ldTangent]

I'm planning to order a few dozen of these upgrade kits to bring the first round of 11th-gen models we bought last year at my workplace up to this year's spec, and it's not going to break my budget.

[@noneyourb172]

The whole point of this laptop is that you don't have to be a tinkerer. Everything is easy to open, labeled for convenience and designed to be maintained by people who expect appliance-like performance. If you still choose not to that's fine, but repair shops being able to quickly and cheaply fix or upgrade your laptop for you (including the board, because they actually publish PCB schematics!) is also a big advantage to this model.

[@danshilm]

The owner of the laptop doesn't even have to tinker, they can pay someone or ask a friend and something can be replaced/upgraded in 10 minutes at a reasonable price. Can't really say the same thing about MacBooks...

[@williamrgrant]

@@danshilm exactly. Framework probably isn’t just targeting tinkerer owners. They are enabling an entire ecosystem of new businesses who can service these things.

[@mbvglider]

@@W1ldTangent The i5-1240P upgrade board is $449. A brand new 14" Acer Swift 3 w/ the i5-1240P, 16 GB RAM, and 512 GB SSD is $699 from Costco. The i7-1280P upgrade board is $1049. A 16" MSI M16 w/ the much faster 12700H and a discrete 3060 is $1249 from Newegg. I really don't think it makes economical sense to do these yearly upgrades. Framework is a cool concept, but the concept is hardly budget-friendly.

[@jonpcostello]

I didn’t have luke reviewing a framewok laptop on my bingo card. I just got my email that my framework is shipping. It’ll be my first non MacBook Pro since college at least for personal use. I feel as excited about it as I did my first 2009 MacBook Pro. I think Apple is making both the best laptop for general use and the best laptops for video professionals but then there are people like me in the developer/dev ops roles that have been on MacBooks but don’t really fit in the Apple silicon spectrum. I just blindly bought the latest MacBook Pro with the highest cpu and no dedicated gpu every few years. Now you either fit into the m? air/pro or go m? pro(non binned) for two more cpu threads at twice the price, so I started looking around and framework just seems perfect for a little tech nerd like me. Part of the reason for going mac was unixish terminal with ssh built in at a time when Linux on a daily driving professional laptop just wasn’t there. Now though it is, no more pulling binary blobs out of windows WiFi drivers and reverse engineering them. Linux just works on the framework. It sounds like intel doesn’t support the same level of sleep and so battery life isn’t as good on Linux as windows, but if they don’t get that in there before framework has a Ryzen board, then you can bail on intel. Anyway I’m rambling because I’m excited and it was really cool to see this video pop up in my feed this morning. Also the circle on the 3d print has prongs that push the power switch so that’s the power button. Between this laptop and the steam deck it’s cool to see repairable tech getting some time in the limelight

[@shanemitchellspencer]

Very cool to see repairable tech in the limelight. I've been using a 2009 Mac Pro for a few years now that I purchased 2nd hand. It's running Monterey because I was able to upgrade it, and the community patching the OS of course. Shopping for a MacBook right now feels like I'm throwing away any resemblance of what I have now. How long will Apple support Apple Silicon macs? Will they be able to run unsupported versions of macOS like the intel models have? And also the price - yeesh! I don't want the air, I want a Pro and I just can't fathom paying so much for a computer. My only issue is macOS. I'm not sure I'm ready to give up on it yet.

[@MrBaskins2010]

i think those beeps in the beginning were far lower than the original upload. love the work you put into finding nifty things for the channel, I know that can sometimes feel tiring as a creative. with that being said, can you possible find some apple apparel from the 1986 catalog? something tech adjacent with no need for dongles or battery replacements haha

[@shadetree1175]

laughed so hard. the beeps were basically a joke

[@stever1514]

i saw a clip of your M1 to M2 attempt on LTT's latest Framework video. I'm so glad Framework reached out to you! Kudos

[@RiseUpToYourAbility]

I really hope that more companies will adopt this business model. I don't know if upgradability will hurt their bottom line in the years to come, and how that is going to impact the viability of this company. I really hope that this can be a sustainable business model and that will entice people. I can't help but feel pessimistic because you need a lot of people to make a business model like this viable, and the average everyday person will never heard of the company. Plus people are often too scared to fix or build their own computers. I have tried many times to convince my friend to try and build their own desktop, which is one of the easiest things in the world, but they have always been too scared to.

I already knew the Framework laptop but I didn’t knew it allowed to change/upgrade the logic board. And the possibility to use a 3D printed case to reuse/recycle the old logic board is just mind blowing to me. I hope this company will have an enormous success. They deserve it, in my book. (And these days I’m an Apple fanboy… go figure… - although I was a Win user for a long long time…)

[@Koriance]

POV: Luke uploads and you’re early.

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

This is incredible and I had no idea it existed. Thank you!

[@ShelleyHannaArt]

Awesome! It’s fun to see you so giddy over this.

[@005MDS3]

This is probably the first video by Luke that he's impressed on a Windows PC and not a Mac PC.

[@mizshellytee]

Luke is very likely more impressed with Framework's repairability/upgradability than he is about the OS. He is a supporter of Right To Repair, after all.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Luke it's been very honest about the fact that the latest Intel chips are faster and more powerful than apples, however less efficient.

[@imdyinginside1919]

I think it's the hardware it self not os

[@005MDS3]

@@imdyinginside1919 That's what I said. Windows PC. I didn't say Windows OS.

[@relaxationsounds6981]

@@005MDS3 I guess if your into Linux as well as Windows OS.

[@waynefose2159]

I really LOVE this company and their creation.Thanks for sharing this.

[@therelaxingend2ontelegram383]

Pm me ⬆️ have something for you,,,,

[@captainbean525]

Also frameworks provide schematics for the removable ports. And since they are just thunderbolt plugs on the inside, you or another company could cram whatever you want in your own card and it will work just like an external USB accessory.

[@mdamarcoteoh2446]

Its my first time watching your video and im already subbed. What an interesting laptop! Thanks Lujke

[@ultraviolettp3446]

Once again this channel shows why it is the best Fruit company channel - you have an open mind and you aren't a sell out like many of the breathless mouth breather Fruit channels that are out there (almost all of them). Framework is onto something here and I hope they succeed. Hopefully one day I can own one of those. Keep up the great work, Luke, and I look forward to your next video!

[@MikeG1111_]

Thanks for posting this Luke. Framework is amazing! I'm currently transitioning from Wintel to going all-in on Apple-largely inspired by the Apple Silicon revolution. I'll give Intel, AMD, Qualcomm and Microsoft 3-5 years to catch up and see if they can win my business back. The day a company like Framework provides a super do-it-yourself friendly ARM or RISC-5 upgrade module, it will be game on! Let's hope Framework is the beginning of another industry-wide disruption that will benefit all consumers. 🙏

[@deeomayall]

As Anthony from LTT pointed out, ARM SoCs will never work with this philosophy. The whole point of the SoC is to have everything on board, and once you bin the chip you bin everything that matters. But upgradeability requires modularity and modularity is only given by x86. Not to mention that modularity is inherently more energy hungry.

[@basicforge]

I love this and have been promoting such ideas for years. Glad to see it!

[@therelaxingend2ontelegram383]

Pm me ⬆️ have something for you,,,,

[@arranpbrown]

Great video, Luke! Love your excitement and enthusiasm in this video! 😁👌

[@detskysade2581]

Looking at framework laptop again, I kinda wish I went with it instead of my 16" m1 pro.

[@ahmoylaw8905]

Go for less battery life and less performance… nice!

[@Danimal25]

I’ve been looking at it. Seriously have had several different versions in the cart. Just having hard time going back to Win.

[@accountid9681]

It's not exactly easy, but you can always install a light linux system, and run OSX-KVM on top of it with GPU passthrough. there are plenty of great tutorials out there if you're willing to invest a weekend into getting everything working.

[@modcolocko]

@@accountid9681 Or just use linux itself, maybe with a distro like pop os, or kubuntu

[@user-bp8yg3ko1r]

The 3D printed enclosure actually has a power button, it's the circle located where the antennas are.

[@Beyonder1881]

I hope apple does this, making a laptop from which elements can be replaced or upgraded when the need arises. I think this is the future.

[@mbvglider]

I'm not sure people want a world in which hardware manufacturers are afraid to make improvements to their laptops because they have to remain backward compatible with the last 5+ years of laptop design. There will be a place in the world for Framework, but most people will enjoy a world in which new designs and improvements are possible. Already, I feel like the 12th gen Framework is already not competitive with the best 12th gen laptops because they had to remain backwards compatible w/ 11th gen in terms of RAM and power consumption.

[@j0ps-xfx]

@@mbvglider exactly... they'll have to use gen 3 SSD and ddr4 ram just to support 11th gen CPUs.. This itself makes this lappy lose in front of competitors using ddr5 ram and gen4 SSD.. And you'll have to spend a lot for buying gen4 and ddr5 memory

[@MoritzPH]

dream on.

[@mrfroopy]

I'll honestly think about a Framework when they introduce one for video pros with a heavy gpu

[@W1ldTangent]

I've heard tell that they are working on diversifying the model range including larger sizes and ones with dGPU. I expect they'll try to keep it so the port modules are interchangeable among all of them. I don't know how many other parts could be shared.. perhaps the keyboard, but that's about it.

[@ElNeroDiablo]

For the time being if you want a beefy GPU to go along with the current CPU offerings that Framework has; you can always run the laptop (or desktop mode of the motherboard) with a eGPU box - LinusTechTips (who is an initial investor in the company and does his best to review the products fairly against other companies offerings) took his 11th-gen launch version of the laptop, updated the BIOS on the motherboard the laptop came with (required to let the older 11th-gen boards run without battery), and swapped the 11th-gen motherboard in to a 3D-printed case (like Luke here) before hooking it up to a RTX 2070 eGPU whilst the laptop frame was rocking the 12th-gen motherboard. I'd honestly be surprised if you can't just run the laptop (no matter what CPU/motherboard combo you have in it) off a eGPU and only have the eGPU plugged in to mains so the eGPU box is basically a 'dock' for the laptop with a single cable powering the laptop and feeding data between laptop and eGPU.

[@mrfroopy]

@@ElNeroDiablo I know I can do that, but the whole point of having a workstation level laptop is not to have to lug around an EGPU on the road. that's the point of a laptop.

[@gio1rio4]

Luke, great video! I have an 11th Gen Framework laptop and now I’m going to upgrade after watching your video. One question I have for you if you don’t mind answering. Did Framework provide you with the external 3-D printed case or did you print it yourself?

[@inkfyuk9647]

I am hoping to get one of these on the used market. I love the idea of having a fully upgradable laptop. Hoping for a version with dedicated gpu as well.

[@EmilyLovesTea123]

Without luke i dont think i would have an obsession with MacBooks :)

[@Lexan_YT]

Nice censor attempt at the start lol

[@Stephen_A.]

That was impressive. Louis R got a Framework but I don't remember him ever mentioning the mix and match connection ports. 😊

[@winterwolfryan]

Awesome concept. I want to see Framework come out with a modular gaming laptop…I’d consider buying that for sure!

[@thewiirocks]

Apple would never do this because their focus is on providing a complete product that meets your needs out of the box. Framework is targeted at a different market / use case. I think there's space for both of them in the market. Really happy to see Framework fill the gap that regular Intel computers aren't filling.

[@aarrondias9950]

Apple's focus is taking your money, lol

[@tiadaid]

Plenty of Apple users who wants this.

[@thewiirocks]

@@tiadaid I see no reason why the markets can't overlap. But they are distinct types of products. Apple shouldn't try to be Framework and Framework shouldn't try to be Apple. Let users obtain the ecosystem they need for their current use case. The two companies won't directly compete until we have another shift in technology that obsoletes both of their current approaches.

[@j0ps-xfx]

They'll have to use gen 3 SSD and ddr4 ram just to support 11th gen CPUs.. This itself makes this lappy lose in front of competitors using ddr5 ram and gen4 SSD.. And you'll have to spend a lot for buying gen4 and ddr5 memory... So I don't see a point buying this product...

[@Zebra_Paw]

Massive L to Apple, they just proved you can build thin and upgradeable pro level stuff, not have your data fked if the laptop ever dies, nor get the whole value ruined. The failure rate will likely be a lot lower than Apple, when if your Retina MacBook doesn't work exactly as intended it's insanely hard to tell what's wrong, you are only swimming in the void when trying to fix one of these... I'm in freakin love with these devices. I don't need a laptop right now because I have plenty given how many I fix from scrap, + I game so a 120hz display and dedicated graphics are needed in my daily driver (the 120hz display isn't quite needed but is a huge plus), and last of all I am broke, so definitely not buying one of these right now... But if I see one with dedicated graphics and a high refresh rate panel, I'll definitely save up for it!

[@rohithmekala2608]

No its not a massive L. Apple does have an advantage with their ARM chips being efficient and fast. The 14" and 16" MBP 2021 are MUCH better than this Framework laptop in terms of performance, battery life and display on those is already 120hz with miniLED. The unified RAM makes it so that you can also have large VRAM pool. In terms of ultrabooks, the M2 Macbook Air is thinner and fanless(no dust and some users prefer fanless design) and has WAY more battery life than the Framework. You lose something by going modular. In saying that the Framework is great for people who value modularity.

[@Zebra_Paw]

@@rohithmekala2608 you do not lose anything by going this modular. I am sure it is theoretically possible to build the M2 MacBook Air like this. Btw even with their fantastic ARM chips they still reach 100 degrees under load and throttle, Apple has always been so bad at cooling. A good example of this is the 8600M GT failure, it pretty much only happens in MacBooks! I kept a Dell laptop with it for 15 years with no problems whatsoever and I load it with Minecraft, it will reach 150+ FPS default settings in Bedwars, with Windows 11 running pretty much natively! Also the average user doesn't need that much performance, and prefer their data to be savable if the computer has a heart attack. Don't reply to this by saying you should keep saves, because it's true but it's also true most people don't! A soldered SSD... not a big deal you gonna say. If it dies, just buy a Samsung T7 and enjoy. Well, no... part of the firmware is on that soldered SSD, so if it dies it will just take your MacBook to the graveyard! +support time is horrible. Right now, I am a random user, I bought a MacBook Pro in 2017, but it's a 2016 model. I was told they get supported for 7 years. What do I learn? Gets dropped this year for no technical reason other than burying Intel Macs into the past. Take the example of my Dell again... runs Windows 11, I had very little trouble installing ALL the drivers. No, really, ALL of them, not a single standard PCI bridge or AHCI controller left! And how did I install Windows 11 you may ask? Well, by following the TPM requirement bypass tutorial Microsoft provides on their official website! 15 years of support, not even over!

[@electricsnut]

The framework laptop is nowhere near the rigidity or build of a Macbook chassis. So no it isn’t an L. Framework also has had numerous issues including persistent battery drain which is unresolved

[@Zebra_Paw]

@@electricsnut They got no experience in designing computers. Apple's got plenty. For a nearly first time Framework is already embarrassing Apple in quite a number of ways!

[@telcobilly]

I have a 2020 M1 MacBook Air and I bought the 11th gen Intel Framework earlier this year. I purchased the DIY version, installed 64 GB of RAM along with a 1 Tb NVME SSD. To step further away from the proprietary world, I'm running Linux Mint instead of the available Windows. Luke is right, this is totally the anti-Mac book. You can even swap the screen yourself as well as the keyboard. The MacBook Air I have is very sleek and user friendly, but I wonder when something breaks on it, will it become a throwaway?

[@Djou-Karl]

I'm currently an IT college student and I've been flipflopping back in forth in my mind about replacing both my 2008 15" mbp (the one model with an actual battery door!) and a desktop PC to a 16" M1 or the frame.work laptop. Given the windows environment nature of the course I initially leaned towards a used decked out intel 16" mbp, so I could drive both OSes on a single machine, then I leaned to the M1 because it's simply crazy powerful and has a great battery life to last a while. But the current unicellular design of the newest apple products meaning that once any part breaks down, you have to throw away the entire thing has kept me from fully wanting an M1, even though I could emulate Windows within Mac OS. So even if the 13.5" frame.work is not 16" nor does it have a discrete GPU, I still preordered a 12th gen laptop out of excitement that this laptop brings to the game. I'm gonna consider an Apple laptop IF Apple goes back to pre-Retina MacBooks desing (swappable batterie, RAM, hard drives). But I'm not holding my breath since Apple designed the M1 as an SoC and I doubt they would wanna ditch this desing so soon. That being said, Frame.Work please consider a 15/16" model with intercompatibility and a discrete GPU! edit: ahahah I had written this comment before watching the vid and Luke has bascally the same wish as I for Frame.Work :D

[@mattbosley3531]

I like the Framework but I'm still waiting for them to have an AMD cpu available. They do that and I'll seriously consider buying one. I'm just not happy with Intel right now. Oh, and an AMD laptop with Thunderbolt or USB4 would be amazing too. There's no reason that isn't possible.

[@Pillageer]

Most new higher end 6000 series amd laptops already have usb4.

[@IDKYHM]

True don’t know if you have seen Linus his video. He has tried to talk about that to amd but they didn’t respond to him.

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

That, and a touchscreen option. It's a feature I can't live without.

[@neolordie]

on 4000 and 5000 chips it would have been dificult because of the lack of usb4 and such, fortunately they should be able to pull it off in the future now

[@Optimistas777]

It’s now available

[@erickleefeld4883]

I think of the Framework and a MacBook as polar opposites, but in a good way: They are each pursuing a totally different method of construction, while doing their respective methods in the best way, in contrast to everyone else being stuck in between. Think of this in the sense of different ends of a magnet, rather than enemies.

[@Praderanoire]

I absolutely LOVE Framework as a company, and I haven't even needed to replace my MacBook Pro with one of their machines yet. The business model is bulletproof imo. Framework has been tirelessly exploring how far they can take RTR, and seems to actively keep their ear to the ground to see what people could want. I cannot wait for a Ryzen version of their motherboard to launch. Those integrated graphics (I also agree that a discreet GPU would be awesome too) will really make the Framework laptop shine I think. Time will tell, and I don't think the company is going anywhere anytime soon. BRAVO FRAMEWORK.

[@tylersmith2799]

This is amazing. I've been following Framework for a while and I'm so happy to see they're still doing it!

[@fuelvolts]

I just ran Cinebench on my workstation that I think is still pretty fast: Quad Xeon with 16GB RAM from ~2015 and it "only" scored 3143 on Cinebench R23. This laptop being "only" 4300 is 33% faster than my not terribly old 100w workstation. Pretty remarkable actually. Luke is spoiled by having constant access to great tech, when for the masses, that original 11th gen is way more than fine.

[@rkchang77]

I would seriously consider this as my next laptop. My one question now, given that I much prefer MacOS over Windows, is how easily does this Hackintosh? Or, given that there have been various tear-downs of the M1 and M2 Macbooks, would it be legal for Framework engineers to reverse-engineer the M-series hardware to fit into a Framework laptop?

[@vivekbooshan9954]

Well if you just like the mac OS aesthetic, it’s relatively easy to theme a windows laptop to look like macOS (icons and everything). If you really want macOS, you can still easily hackintosh. As for reverse engineering, nearly all of m series macs use proprietary tech so it would be massively illegal. Apple really doesn’t tolerate anything like that.

[@meowmeow3413]

It is possible but not easy to run Hackintoch on 12 gen Intel CPU. A lot of OpenCore tweaks need to be done in order for only some of the 12 gen Intel CPU be compatible with MacOS

[@vfletes1]

Love this new approach.. I'll be getting one.. Soon

[@CoreyGarrett221]

Awesome man I have been following the Framework co for a while and so interesting to see you looking at it! Kind of a colliding of two worlds.

[@myrealusername2193]

I’m just waiting until they make an AMD version with a dedicated AMD GPU so I can make the true anti-MacBook. A hackintosh that is upgradable

[@accountid9681]

just run OSX-KVM on top of a light linux system, that way you'll likely be able to get all the ports working without as much headache (at the cost of like 5% performance)

[@noneyourb172]

X86 MacOS is dying so I wouldn't recommend it.

[@myrealusername2193]

@@accountid9681 you still need a supported GPU, and 12th and 11th gen laptop CPUs are unsupported in general

[@myrealusername2193]

@@accountid9681 looking into it further, it seems like Alder lake is actually somewhat supported, meaning it might not even require osx-kvm

[@accountid9681]

@@myrealusername2193 I've found OSX-KVM to be far more stable than most bare metal solutions, so that's what I would use for my personal machine, but if you wanna try and get bare metal working just make sure to document everything for the rest of us.

[@mllarson]

I bought one of the 11th gen Framework laptops a few months ago and really like it. I bought it almost as an impulse because I like what the company stands for. The last new "laptop" I purchased was one of those Acer netbooks that were popular back in the day. Went to many conventions with that in my cargo pants pocket because the netbook was cheaper than large SD cards at the time (I was blown away when 4GB cards became sub 100 dollars). I'm trying to convince my employer to switch to Framework laptops as well. Hopefully I'll succeed 😀

[@ArmandoOrtegat]

This is a great way to spread love. You’re doing beautifully brother. Great job 👏

[@nagarajanperiyakaruppan7468]

That enclosure and mini pc idea is fantastic :) no item is waste :)

[@JYKDutchYT]

I miss those days where you could upgrade stuff. I still have a A1181 Blackbook and I upgraded the internals from a 1.1 to a 2.1 and it just works.

[@bertantuncel]

Thanks for the video

[@manuel-xax]

Brilliant ideas

[@Qasibr]

IF this ran MacOS, I would buy this in a heartbeat. No planned obsolescence, beautiful upgradeability.

[@SamuelLing]

I could say that will be very likely to be impossible, unless you make it a hackintosh

[@Kiyoshiblue]

This is actually so freaking awesome, such a good watch!

[@sharp_ant4651]

This is probably the most excited I've ever seen this man with a laptop

[@vipertt100]

Another great video. Thanks

[@IsHekiel]

appreciate the little you have

[@JustinSulak]

The little circle on the 3d printed enclosure is a power button! There’s a standoff that goes down to the board

[@timstafford6815]

That's pretty cool. Thanks for the vid. It's funny but for us old folks we remember a time (before Mac) when Apple was not too different - the Apple II and e were very user customizable. Then came the Apple IIc and Mac (ending all that).

[@whatthe9256]

Now I want to know how they would implement warranty on this kind of laptop.

[@BeierFilms]

I'd love to see this concept succeed, even though it doesn't meet my needs at the moment. Right now, my desktop is the machine I like to upgrade and tinker with and my laptop I'm more focused on having the most power for size/weight, best screen, and most efficient design. Over time, I hope Framework manages to get their overall design prowess to the same level as Apple, Dell, etc because I would love to be able to upgrade my laptop so it remains capable until I replace it (which i usually do every 4 - 7 years).

[@cjadams7434]

Issue that I see is that you do have to buy extra ram storage and extra proprietary ports from them to populate the old motherboard in the external case

[@yuventarei]

Yes!! so cool!!! Finally someone thought of this!!! Future laptops should be like this more personalized in every aspect ❤️ ❤️

[@Pablo-ff5wy]

It does have a power button. In the 3d printed case, there's a circle. If you press it slightly, it acts as a power button.

[@PavelVlha]

Hi Luke, there's is a power button in the 3D printed chassis. It's the perforated circle thing in the top.If you press it, it will turn on ;)

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[@vladimirdelima2519]

Great iniciative! a whole different approach to what is computers market by default. The step further would be if the components were compatible even with MacOS, so the client would have total freedom to choose not only the hardware, but also the software running on it.

[@rav4l2003]

I think my favorite thing about these laptops is that the type-C charge ports are easily replaced by swapping the module. Other laptops, even Thinkpads, integrate the type-c to the motherboard so a broken port means a new motherboard or maybe an expensive micro-soldering repair.

[@JellyLancelot]

10:17 the power button is the sphere shaped thing near the WiFi antennas on the case, it does have one. LTT had it on their video and Linus thought the same thing, but his staff corrected him in the video.

[@Texle]

The 3D printed case does have a power button, its on the top near the antenna. Its a circle with 3 openings around it.

[@friendlyperson9841]

YES! Dedicated graphics on the Framework would be amazing.

[@MassimoPelle]

I love this Fantastic the port installation.. i will test this also in my channel One day i hope

[@DanielBrown]

For those interested, Elevated Systems has made a series if videos on the Framework laptop. He even took the motherboard and put it inside a keyboard to use it as an all in one.

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[@ItsMariquel]

I'm waiting for this to be available in my country!

[@jerem0621]

This is brilliant! I will try to give them my business when it’s time for a new laptop. I still use my iOS devices but have moved over to a PC for my laptop computing. I’ve not missed my M1 Mac Air at all.

[@paulb9453]

Luke, your enthusiasm is so entertaining, and respect to Framework.

[@allantinker6838]

I have a 13 inch MacBook pro right now.. But this thing with basically any Linux distro on it sounds so beautiful.

[@taylor1038]

I have had my Framework for like 6 months now and love it! Probably won't upgrade it for a few generations but I love the ability to have the option to just pay $300-500 for a SoC upgrade.

[@ahmoylaw8905]

So you buy a more expensive notebook (for an upgradable feature) and you are not planning to upgrade it few years?

[@taylor1038]

@@ahmoylaw8905 yes I invested in a premium laptop that embraces right to repair so I can repair and upgrade my laptop in the future. I only spent $750 for mine and brought over all the memory, ssd, etc, so it wasn't that expensive to begin with.

[@electricsnut]

Ummm its like $1000 to upgrade the cpu lol

[@taylor1038]

@@electricsnut it's $449 for the 12th gen i5 upgrade. Which is a whole SoC upgrade since we we don't have socketed CPUs for mobile. Intel says on their site $320 for that CPU (1240p). So only $110 for a MoBo, hear sink, and fan.

[@technocatdance]

as much as I would like to get one of these the first gen m1 macbook air even with base model will stay plenty fast for years or if you just got the 16 gb version I think you could last 7 years no problem, with that being said I absolutely support the framework company and what they are doing , that 3d printable tower is super cool and I would totally want one running into my TV

[@KristianNowak]

0:14 those bleeps totally worked like damn bro

[@agentbey]

Thanks for this video! What portable monitor is that?

[@sofiadiano2689]

This is awesome. I hope it becomes available in my country soon

[@kadiroflu5032]

I am not too sure but I remember that framework logo on the 3d printed case is the on/off switch

[@ferfromla]

I like how they did this machine. Very useful for people that want to hang on to their devices and not have to buy a new one every two to three years. A company innovative as Framework is sure to improve what they are offering now and make it possible to move to more advanced technology at an affordable cost by doing it yourself. This is a great product, and at some point, I might just pick one of these up.

[@frosted1030]

Good concept, still early in the core design. I would wait for the fifth or sixth generation to work out the bugs. For now you can "order" one but you have to wait months before they will inform you that they have a shipping date. There's also no option for case style or design, screen sizes, or touch.

[@edjones4544]

I love my macbook pro, but this is amazing. What if someone designed a new chassis for this... one that was very similar to the Ti-book, now that would be beautiful. all the upgrade ability and yet a classic form factor. I wouldn't care how much bigger it was than a mac book air if it had the functional shape of the ti-book and maybe even active hinges? Without the tapered bottom plate you could probably house a second battery... send me the dimensions and ill start mocking up this thing of beauty now!

[@ahoyland705]

I was shocked by the mini pc box they provided, genius idea. The earth needs more manufacturer like Framework.

[@therelaxingend2ontelegram383]

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