Imagine a 2500 version of the wagoneer with a cummins/aisin combo.
@vladm59923 жыл бұрын
That would be sick
@minivanmaster3 жыл бұрын
It fits the attitude of the Excursion for sure. Just with better towing
@bobdennis48013 жыл бұрын
That would be crazy considering you can’t even get a Ram 2500 with the Aisin transmission.
@gbaby4rb643 жыл бұрын
Even better Cummins and 9 speed Allison combo
@vipraz1193 жыл бұрын
@@gbaby4rb64 I thought the new 10 Spd trans in the GM Hd trucks arent really Allison made and its a version of 10R thats used in the Ford SDs. Didnt think there was a 9spd Allison at all.
@bostondan773 жыл бұрын
Andre is just such cool dude, I love it.
@IowaKLR6503 жыл бұрын
Bostondan; I met him at their offices and he was as nice in person as he seems.
@tashayoungblood73133 жыл бұрын
I agree, Andre is awesome!
@przemeksledziewski19733 жыл бұрын
Remember in the beginning when he only spoke Russian and got little exposure? Who would have thought he would become a favorite.
@CoberBox13 жыл бұрын
My dad bought a ‘72 Wagoneer through a military program when we moved from Italy to an AF base in eastern Washington state. I was one at the time of the move but we had the vehicle for a few years and I can still remember driving through the property we owned off base doing vermin control. We leased property out to some rancher that grazed cows out there. My mom especially missed that “car” when we got transferred to CA and my dad didn’t think we still needed it. It made such an imprint on me, have always wanted a white Wagoneer.
@jamespenner14123 жыл бұрын
Ask Jim when the heck is the ram 1500 392 coming!!! It needs to be done.
@kenyongillespie86523 жыл бұрын
Great looking American made Luxury! Thank you TFL and Wagoneer
@jeffschwietert96473 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview, mine is on order, can’t wait!
@krusejonathan013 жыл бұрын
It’s time for Andre to launch his own channel. He has risen to the top of the car reviewer game.
@johnadkins34663 жыл бұрын
If the curb weight is 6420 lbs and the GVWR is 7780 lbs, if you are at the maximum payload of 1360 lb.
@johnadkins34663 жыл бұрын
If you are at the maximum payload of 1360 lbs , will the Grand Wagoneer still be able to tow the maximum 9860 lbs?
@tonykasunic13 жыл бұрын
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, If a woodchuck could chuck wood?
@mingomane13 жыл бұрын
@@johnadkins3466 isn’t the regular wagoner the one that tows10k?
@askasundealwis3 жыл бұрын
They all with the TFL I guess.
@jerrylee78013 жыл бұрын
Love the sound of that big 8 cylinder
@FFE-js2zp3 жыл бұрын
My 2005 Armada tows 10,000 lbs, for 300K+ trouble free miles. Great vehicle.
@shomari172 жыл бұрын
Love my armada I have yet to see a check engine light
@dollarzUS3 жыл бұрын
Dude I love my phone because I can enjoy watching TFL 😝
@steves.17003 жыл бұрын
This is great, but I’m waiting until 2023 for the “extra length” version that competes with Suburban and Expedition Max
@benjaminlibertarianscorpio3 жыл бұрын
The Jeep compares more to the Cadillac Escalade and Lincoln Navigator now
@benjaminlibertarianscorpio3 жыл бұрын
I mean that is what Fiat Chrysler is benchmarking
@christopherstreet22143 жыл бұрын
I think Ram brand should have the vehicle that competes with the suburban … Ram deserves a suv
@steves.17003 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminlibertarianscorpio Yep! 100% agreed. Im just more excited for the big boy Wagoneer with extended wheelbase that will compete with the Cadillac Escalade ESV and Lincoln Navigator L for cargo space.
@walkermoffitt74143 жыл бұрын
I agree on the waiting for LWB and the eco diesel for me. Looking fwd to it!
@engineeringVirtue3 жыл бұрын
Just tell me how good the sustained downhill transmission braking is when towing, along with payload and wheelbase. Tow rating doesn't matter if other elements don't support it.
@theglowcloud22152 жыл бұрын
They conveniently leave that part out when the Jeep rep is in the car lol
@engineeringVirtue7 ай бұрын
Excellent... will look at as alternative when upgrading my expedition
@J26-e6g3 жыл бұрын
The vibration canceler is to save them from having a heavy flywheel and for cylinder deactivation, and a cheap way to deal with bad NVH. It does not work for off road terrain. By the time you roll over a rock, it will be too late to vibrate it away. 9:00
@mehmethuyuk85482 жыл бұрын
Jim Harrison seems like a great guy make the Jeep brand at it's highest level. Great demonstration and very satisfied with the vehicle. I can't wait to buy one of those..
@46rambo493 жыл бұрын
what's the lifespan of the air spring set up? in salted and chemical winter areas?
@Wicked_Runs3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful vehicle. Now I just need to win the lotto to afford one
@lonerider53153 жыл бұрын
i really wish that rear window went down.. that would make it a real winner and something not being offered in its class
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix3 жыл бұрын
Only full size that offers it is the sequoia but its not in the same league as this because its not a luxury suv so its really not comparable.
@ahmedhishamdr84853 жыл бұрын
Andre really loves towing 🤣
@americanrambler49723 жыл бұрын
When you first showed the frame and driveline display model, it did not make sense at first while I was looking at the depth of the frame rails and the elaborate and expensive rear suspension. Then it made sense. This chassis was designed to incorporate a skate board configuration of dual motor and under floor battery pack. And a good size one at that. It will be a $140k+ Jeep, but it’s designed to migrate to battery electric down the road. I have seen some 2022 Wagoners on the roads and in driveways and they are very good looking out in the real world. They have a very sharp, elegant and vibrant paint and overall finish on them. They have an expensive classy look to them.
@danieledwards71782 жыл бұрын
Needs Dual Fuel Tanks , Couple Gussets for that Hitch , Rear Facing side mirror mounted Cameras for Towing , and the Center Cooler for the second row seats .
@brentworls85093 жыл бұрын
When will the series 1 be available to build and price on the website, currently the entry level 2wd is $68k in Series II form...
@philipwood87763 жыл бұрын
Ram Charger Bronco killer.....Cmon man!!!!!!
@spike4u2u3 жыл бұрын
I wish they would of had the Rear window roll down. Why aren’t more manufacturers doing that anymore.
@kyboy53 жыл бұрын
Ask you momma
@MXvsATV1442 жыл бұрын
I’d want one because it’s one of like 2 suvs that can maybe go tow the trailers I use with my Ram2500… and maybe sometimes I wanna have that extra interior space for a road trip versus the pick up… or if the Ram has to pull another trailer around and we take both vehicles somewhere. Like a big boat and a big toy hauler… can’t leave either behind sometimes for the weekend
@Josh471473 жыл бұрын
Anyone notice the exhaust? No giant mid muffler. The catalytic converters are also resonators, and there are 2 small resonators/mufflers at the back. Wonder what it would sound like minus just rear resonators/mufflers.
@francoisdes.labrecque13922 жыл бұрын
I've bought a Series III (be delivered in May or June 2022. They informed me I may not have the 10,000 . Man ! I'm surprised !!!! Hey I want to 10,000 lbs towing no less guys at Jeep !!!! FranK (from Québec City) .
@ruimachado85603 жыл бұрын
i hope jeep returns home....it's full of history and DNA
@leogallegoalvarado26923 жыл бұрын
If Jeep Makes the Wagoneer longer than Suburban...im gonna be there number one fan!!! I mean come on Mr Jim Morrison!!! If the wagoneer is bigger than the regular Escalade You Have To Make in Longer than the ESV Escalade ( Go Big or Go Home)...😍😍😍
@tuaesam3 жыл бұрын
Loved the first impression! Would love to have one…so many choices! The 392 Rubicon or this….Jeep you’re killing me.
@johnshuler86883 жыл бұрын
I would love to hook this up to my 30 ft airstream international and put six people inside and go for a ride. Nothing out there to tow and COMFORTABLY carry 6 passengers. Can you say diesel option?
@jimjamieson93463 жыл бұрын
Well done, excellent presentation
@jameskennedy6733 жыл бұрын
Put all of that in a Ram 2500 CC 4x4 for 2022 I’ll be on board. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍
@revgordon913 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that I wasn't impressed with the new Grand Wagoneer because I thought it was too soft for going off-road. Yep, that's different. Still curious on the payload, and would love to see those power numbers in the heavy duty trucks. Nicely done!
@brentvance39583 жыл бұрын
How many do you really think are going to go off road in this. Not many. Hard core off road, zero.
@geoffmooregm2 жыл бұрын
1360lbs to 1580lbs depending on options. Towing 10,000lbs in the real world will come down to a numbers game. It won't happen unless you ignore payload/GVW limits in moat real work scenarios.
@johnadkins34663 жыл бұрын
So despite the Grand Wagoneer having the 6.4 L Hemi engine, when you look at the payload capacity, the Wagoneer with the 5.7 L engine supplemented by four wheel electric motors has the superior payload capacity along with similar towing ratings. The smaller engine also is reported to provide a 2 mpg improvement in gas mileage. So strictly from a towing standpoint, they have similar tow rating , but which will do a better job towing a 7500 lb trailer with a fully loaded vehicle??
@avincb3 жыл бұрын
For me it was love at first review. The underpinning review, the design, engineering, assembly, the provenance, capabilities, descriptions, queries, information, road trip, excellent. Inside, outside, and under...impressive. Andre, your reviews, taken together, outstanding, informing, useful. You have obviously earned the views, trust and respect of maker, buyer, dreamer. Jeep, welcome to premium luxury performance. Thanks Andre, Jim, Grand Wagoneer, TFLtalk. Excellent.
@johnshuler86883 жыл бұрын
I have a 2022 airstream 30’ international and would love to see how the grand wagoneer handles it. Nothing out there to COMFORTABLY carry 6 passengers and tow.
@Malc6643 жыл бұрын
What a nice guy Jim is. The thanks and recognition of TFL by Jim at the end is very interesting. I can see some good deals coming TFL's way when purchasing vehicles. Maybe even upgrade Tommy's running gear on the 2 door. The Wagoneer is for the Elite though isn't it. A special vehicle too.
@wildbill23c3 жыл бұрын
Soccer moms and mall crawler crowds should be happy they finally have a V8, 4 door, 4 wheel drive mini-van.
@BillLaBrie3 жыл бұрын
Number one name in utility sports Unexplained fires are a matter for courts! Canyonero!!!!
@hewlett2603 жыл бұрын
They should use the Power Wagon frame and axle setup, under the Ram banner, shorten the length and bring back the RAM Charger SUV. Solid axle front and rear with lockers and winch. And market it to the off road crowd and try to keep prices somewhat reasonable.
@youtubecarspottersguide13 жыл бұрын
yes look at the org Cherokee was based off the sj 1974-83 basic 2/4 dr rubber floor mats vinyl seats independent rear suspension sucks ' oh we want a comfy ride leg room for the 3rd row seat' who goes off roading 7-9 people in a 3row suv off roading
@brentworls85093 жыл бұрын
Will less farkles, and no carpet.
@TheGenerationX8942 жыл бұрын
The air tanks should have been mounted in the rear of this vehicle, in the dead space between the hitch and cross member imo.
@armymxere53 жыл бұрын
What’s the tank behind the rear tire on driver side
@mrsteve43133 жыл бұрын
Let's see the macho Ramcharger version, hopefully with much better styling!
@Cleaning_Hero3 жыл бұрын
“The Grand Wagoneer is a great way to uh... to uh, keep up with the Jones’s.”
@amenjeff3 ай бұрын
How much did you pay for the vehicle? Vv nice post. Thank you
@jam4719753 жыл бұрын
10,000lbs towing capacity is really great but the 1,000lbs Payload makes that 10,000lbs towing capacity pointless especially for a family of 4 wanting to pull a travel trailer.
@przemeksledziewski19733 жыл бұрын
Drives me nuts how manufacturers do that! Same with the new tundra, 12000lb towing capacity but the most payload available is 1900lb which you will be lucky to find on most tundra trims. Why is to so hard to get decent payload capacity?
@randyvanburen99082 жыл бұрын
He mentions the dual canister air suspension allows the vehicle to go up and down level instead of front and back sequentially like some older vehicles. Anyone know if this is only on the Grand? Our Wagoneer SIII raises and lowers sequentially. (Rocking)
@RogerM883 жыл бұрын
Hate box frames. Mud and dirt gets stuck inside the rails rusting through inside out. I prefer a thick C section frame to prevent that to happen, even if it has many disadvantages as less stiff.
@trevorj793 жыл бұрын
Tough to hear you from all the way back there in 1970
@RogerM883 жыл бұрын
@@trevorj79 you still got some heavy duty trucks.
@paulhasty83883 жыл бұрын
Something TFL trucks needs to investigate is all these new Jeep vehicles is great but the problem I have is we purchased a new 2020 Jeep Gladiator for $56,000 and had an issue with the front axle and they can't get parts so the warranty is no good if they can't supply parts to fix them and I am not the only Jeep owner that's having problems. Jeep needs to fix the parts issue!
@Kliffy773 жыл бұрын
Excellent work Andre!
@czar23213 жыл бұрын
100k+ for a Jeep FIAT Grand wagoneer? It’s a gorgeous vehicle but Not worth Anywhere near that price tag! 😬
@gabevillarreal963 жыл бұрын
Especially with the predicted reliability based on ALL JEEP CHRYSLER STELANTIS PRODUCT HISTORY! If they had lifetime warranty on everything then maybe, but unless you just have the nostalgia bug, I just can't justify 80k-110k. I know the wagoneer starts at 50k but who really wants a base wagoneer!
@toobalicious3 жыл бұрын
Jim and Andre do a FANTASTIC job of educating us on the new Grand Wagoneer - with no mention of “Toxic Masculinity” or “global warming”, etc. - like in the other TFL video. Thanks for sticking to the truck/suv review and not making this political. Now Jim - you guys nailed it with regards to the specs and interior, but is there a way you could make the Wagoneer look a little better on the outside? That said, I look forward to this thing hitting The Gauntlet soon…
@YoungSentrell3 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of it
@CrumResearch3 жыл бұрын
openpilot driving the Grand Wagoneer hands-free could be sweet
@lukman84003 жыл бұрын
They should have opened the moonroof for the shoot. It would have given more light… The frame look was very smart and useful. Nice marketing.
@nismomike31823 жыл бұрын
Andre acting like my kid 5:27
@collinsimmons71563 жыл бұрын
Best interiors in any vehicle's
@buckhorncortez3 жыл бұрын
Any vehicle? Rolls Royce? Bentley? Range Rover SV? Mercedes-Maybach? I don't believe it...
@MB.11113 жыл бұрын
Not even close
@patmason72762 жыл бұрын
Took awhile but jeep and dodge have finally caught up to the rest of society.
@rotaryperfection3 жыл бұрын
Don't like the welded hitch. Gonna have to cut it out and re-weld to replace during a minor rear end collision.
@DetroitLove19773 жыл бұрын
I was on I-75 heading north from Detroit and there was a Grand Wagoneer in the slow lane and went to make a lane change to the left lane (2 of 4 lanes) and a car in lane 3 was merging into lane 2 the the GW somehow seen that and swerved back into it's original lane. The Wagoneer had his turn signal on and the other car did not but the Wagoneer somehow detected that and the driver was either alerted or the vehicle switched back into it's lane. I don't have these features in my car but thought that was pretty cool. It happened in a split second and I would have been side swiped in my car if that occurred with me. I wasn't a big fan of all this technology at first but after seeing that I think the vehicle saw that and assisted the driver.. I know other vehicles have this but was just something I witnessed and was impressed with. I actually thought I was about to witness the first Grand Wagoneer accident while watching but the car had to have assisted. Pretty cool Tech!
@philipwood87763 жыл бұрын
Make a commercial how the safety features beat the competition and how many safety features it has
@CraigSmith5683 жыл бұрын
For $100,000 I would be disappointed if it didn't tow 10,000 pounds.
@geoffmooregm2 жыл бұрын
In the real world you will never be able to. Unless you are the only occupant and you have a perfect 1000lbs of tongue weight. Any more and you will be over the GVW. It truly is no different than any other 1500 series truck. You always exceed GVW before hitting max towing. Now don't get me wrong I wouldn't hesitate to tow a flat bed with a bobcat weighing that much. But I would never tow a 10,000lb house trailer that big with this or any other 1500 series.
@rodneyburke22022 жыл бұрын
@@geoffmooregm they come with the 6.4
@hildablanco1591 Жыл бұрын
It needs a solid rear axle made of steel with leaf springs for stability and carrying capacity
@CL-pe4ll10 ай бұрын
I have a 2023. Has a 3L twin turbo. It moves. Apparently thats what the ram is going with
@jacobperez92003 жыл бұрын
Hey, can you guys take the Maverick Hybrid up the Ike Gauntlet loaded. I’m currently looking at the Maverick and I’m concerned if I take it camping it won’t be able to handle all everything. And if you get the 2.0 could you compare the two going up the gauntlet. Thank you
@311hitwall3 жыл бұрын
It may have good bones but that doesn't mean it isn't going to be junk like a lot of FCA products. They usually have a lot of electrical gremlins. I don't see how people can afford 100K vehicles with the way the economy is going. Is it going to be built in Mexico along with the HD trucks?
@lukman84003 жыл бұрын
Guest: for Texas customers it can be a gun safe too… Andrey: uhhhh… 🤣😂
@seanhershey33903 жыл бұрын
love the wood... lets put some on the outside....( we've had 10 wagoneers over the years.
@doublebackagain43113 жыл бұрын
They've set the bar pretty high, will be very interested to see how the hybrid version compares in performance/towing :popcorn:
@tylerwalk76993 жыл бұрын
Kind of odd they don’t have the E-torque system on it already, but maybe there’s good reason for that, being as it’s not overly effective
@gasolinediesel9723 жыл бұрын
@@tylerwalk7699 The 5.7 wagoneer does have the E-torque. This 392 engine is stolen directly from the scat packs and SRT's which are not set up for E-torque which is why the grand wagoneer doesn't have it. Also the fact that it would be pretty much useless because this engine has more than enough power.
@tylerwalk76993 жыл бұрын
@@gasolinediesel972 10-4, guess I didn’t do too much research on the matter cause I’m not in the market for a while. At least til it comes back to planet earth
@TSkin712 жыл бұрын
They say "dual exhaust," but it ISN'T. They run the exhaust into a single pipe, then split it at the tail. Nothing more than looks. Defeats the purpose.
@JamesJohnson-hc1rx3 жыл бұрын
great review
@Julian-do7bv3 жыл бұрын
Man this thing is nice
@rachaad3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see the Durango on this platform
@bppbssr12293 жыл бұрын
Great work👍
@SteveP-vm1uc Жыл бұрын
We just drove a 2023 Wagoneer Series 3 2wd and LOVED IT!!! I'd like to know when that same SUV will be packaged with ALL ELECTRIC??? The 3.0L is great, but I'd like to step into the future today....
@rromancunard3 жыл бұрын
So this car had more powe than the Range Rover Supercharged Autobiography? Thanks for share, good video.🙏🏻
@oal-ch7lz3 жыл бұрын
Curious if they thought about fitting this with a solid rear axle? Looking at the chassis you can see how limited the articulation is going to be. Definitely will be great towing horse trailers on gravel roads, but seems like they're leaving a lot of off road capability back on the drawing table. With the popularity of overlanding/ offroading seems like more could have been done to design to those markets.
@rustyshacklef00rd3 жыл бұрын
I swear to god, how can we “forget” about the 7k lb trailer if the Jeep PR rep keeps mentioning it ??
@Ramblin_Rob3 жыл бұрын
Great video again!
@hkwise0113 жыл бұрын
Hmm, new 392 for the Ram in the near future?
@nismomike31823 жыл бұрын
471 hp and 455 lb-ft in the half ton would be incredible. Especially if they put it in the lower trim level and pair it with the Wrangler 4xE system.
@busboy2623 жыл бұрын
If you like Land Rover reliability, you'll love the the dependability that only Chrysler, Fiat and Peugeot can deliver. The tech will annoy you as it fails, but bring an umbrella and comfy shoes. The only consolation is that the tow truck drivers that I know are good folks. I think that they'll eventually give you their home phone number. You can save yourself the time and call them before you leave home.
@DeanLogan3 жыл бұрын
Looks like there is room for a second gas tank. Or some batteries, when it goes hybrid.
@deshawnlovell48723 жыл бұрын
Do a comparison to the Cadillac Escalade
@walterhubicki52073 жыл бұрын
This was awesome!
@mrsteve43132 жыл бұрын
Let's see some luxury given to Chrysler now!! And more vehicles!
@wildbill23c3 жыл бұрын
If you have the money to buy one of these the last thing on your mind should be worrying about fuel economy. Don't buy one if you are trying to be a hyper miler...its a truck, built to do truck things, its not a Prius. Don't even look at one if you will whine about fuel economy. In the real world you might see 15-18mpg on the highway LOL.
@hildablanco1591 Жыл бұрын
The 1965 international travel all wagon is the best
@TheCondoInRedondo Жыл бұрын
Camera angle was just too far forward for me to tell. Was this trailer connected via a load-distribution hitch?
@doneB8303 жыл бұрын
Does it come with a cummins
@kc0lif3 жыл бұрын
a nice 3/4 suv. finally a big jeep.
@martinkopera51703 жыл бұрын
Wow, and Toyota discontinued Land Cruiser in USA. Kudos to Jeep. What a great vehicle!
@joecool97393 жыл бұрын
Not even anywhere near the same size as a Grand Wagoneer, Escalade or Navigator
@btl42203 жыл бұрын
will there be a diesel option ???
@youtubecarspottersguide13 жыл бұрын
like it please offer a 2 row for us who have no need a 7-8 pass family car its just me and the dog
@brentvance39583 жыл бұрын
Lower the seat boom two row SUV
@youtubecarspottersguide13 жыл бұрын
@@brentvance3958 etra wt to carry around for no reason im shopping for some thing else do like the hemi engine
@fitzgoblin813 жыл бұрын
thanks
@zacharygoeden12823 жыл бұрын
Brownie points
@kevinburroughs65833 жыл бұрын
when do we get the "hellcat" version?
@ahmedhishamdr84853 жыл бұрын
I prefer leaf springs and solid axels all around and a better exterior design nostalgic to the original one…and yeah..that wood trim is a must…Jeep engineers need to go back to the drawing board!
@brentvance39583 жыл бұрын
In a luxurious SVU you are not getting live axels. It’s all about smooth. Nobody is taking this off road.
@mrsteve43132 жыл бұрын
Build the off road macho ramcharger!!!
@kdougk34783 жыл бұрын
I hope they make a dumb down version too much technology in this one. I was really liking it until you said cylinder deactivation 😔
@gasolinediesel9723 жыл бұрын
Cylinder deactivation has been on this engine since it came out and there have been no problems with it. And the new durango is supposed to be based on this chassis which will be the lower end version.
@leehancock27823 жыл бұрын
It's the 10th of October, where are these wagoneers?
@mbukukanyau3 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that motor is too tall for a pushrod