Jeep Grand Wagoneer vs Ram 1500 Tow-a-thon: One of These Tows Much Better Than the Other!

[@IssaqAl-Ahmed]

Seeing the 392 in the Wagoneer just makes we want a 392 Ram 1500 pickup even more. The TRX is cool, but a 392 Rebel would be just right for almost anything. Great vid TFL crew!

[@dylanmijer2890]

They was going to do it but I don’t know why they didn’t, it was called the Ram SRT quicksilver.

[@TomazHilton]

@@dylanmijer2890 They wouldnt call it that, name doesnt make Sense... it would had been just Ram 1500 SRT.

[@JsGarage]

It’s just disrespectful at this point how they put the 6.4 in nearly everything but the Ram 1500.

[@TheJBtron]

Remember that there is in fact a 6.4L 2500 Ram

[@coachvonyo]

Totally agree J's garage

[@JsGarage]

@@TheJBtron Yea just not the same though 😔. That version is meant for heavy duty service and as such is derated. That’s also a heavier truck.

[@jeremyrusselldavis]

You can even get a 2 door wrangler with the 6.4.. but a ram 1500.. nah

[@bloroxcleach]

@@jeremyrusselldavis 4 door

[@hellkitty1014]

The Grand Wagoneer is very impressive.(wish you'd run it up the Ike!) As a lover of all things Mopar, it confounds me that Ram has been reluctant for years on putting the glorious 392 in the 1500. I hope they do it as part of the 2023 update. I'm also happy to see more realistic sound level readings for the Ram vs those that were recorded when going up the Ike. The cabin in the Ram is very insulated, so much so that TRX buyers always complain that they can't hear much of the supercharger whine and exhaust of their truck. Popping onto the Wagoneer forums, most owners report far higher hwy MPG than the 18 the EPA states. And I agree, I think the GW is a better buy than the Escalade or Navigator.

[@patrickmartin3322]

Yeah it is a little baffling that you can’t get the 392 in the 1500

[@hellkitty1014]

@@patrickmartin3322 last year at a Mopar-sponsored Hellcat owners event in Michigan and Ralph Gilles was in attendance. I asked directly why the 392 has appeared in a high-profit machine like the Ram but is available widely in the Challenger and Charger and he didn't directly address it but he said he wanted that engine in the 1500 in some capacity. It wouldn't surprise me that it pops up next year as an option when the 5.7 retires as the 3.0 GME I-6 takes its spot.

[@hellkitty1014]

@Mike true, that's why the Hellcat is going away in all forms in 2024, as 2025 requires much more stringent emissions requirements, but strangely the 6.4 and 5.7 already meet that standard(which is why the 5.7 lost power for the GC debut for 2021). I still believe eventually the V8s will all be gone and replaced by the I-6 and electric trucks. Vehicles like the Hellcat Challenger/Chargers, TRX, Raptor R, GT500, CT5-V Blackwing and others are going to go crazy in value. We are already seeing it with all of the V8 Mercedes products since they've already announced the ending of V8-V12 production. Electrification will be the standard within 5-7 years(new car purchases).

[@hellkitty1014]

@Xxplicit EXACTLY! Decades after asking for V8 Wranglers again...Jeep decides to SKIP the 5.7 and stuff the 6.4 in and TRIED to stuff the Hellcat in. Ram is missing a tremendous sweet spot between the 5.7 and Hellcat and buyers have cash and ready to buy!

[@jeremyrusselldavis]

This tells me that the 5.7 should have been replaced with the 6.4… in ram 1500s

[@coachvonyo]

A long damn time ago

[@LBCosmicConcerns]

You do know the #s in the 6.4 and 5.7 are practically identical in the trucks except the 6.4 uses more fuel. Literally like 5 hp and 10 ft lb difference

[@jeremyrusselldavis]

@@LBCosmicConcerns this 6.4 version.. the version in the 392 needs to be In 1500

[@MrLos84]

@@jeremyrusselldavis I second this

[@viperq]

This.

[@Danzilly]

Glad the wagoneer is back! But I'll stay with the ram! I'm always using my truck bed! Would love the 6.4l though!

[@nathangortz3203]

No one ever seemed to want it but the ram 2500 power wagon had the 6.4 hemi or the 6.7 Cummins.

[@nathangortz3203]

Not sure it is still available or what year it stopped being offered.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@nathangortz3203 I don’t think the PW had the option for the 6.7. A lot of people had complains about that I believe.

[@dillonh321]

Ram 2500

[@coachvonyo]

The 6.4 in the 2500 is different. 410 HP compared to 470. It's built for punishing towing abuse and longevity. Not necessarily raw speed.

[@oldschoolsubie]

I appreciate that you guys are always measuring squat during the towing tests. Why don't you measure front end lift which is especially important when using load distribution bars?

[@graemejohnson9025]

Sorry mate, that would be logical when towing.. oh shit? I can't steer counts..

[@oldschoolsubie]

@Jose Alberto Rosa-Suliveres I agree most people don't pay attention to hitch weight, but I believe fewer people play attention to how much weight is being removed from the steering axle

[@paulhunter9613]

@R walker And with using a weight distribution hitch it puts the weight back onto the front end. No steering issues at all

[@MaxBrandenberger]

Thanks for these towing tests, they are very informative. It would be even more informative for those of us who tow RVs if you did towing tests with travel trailers. The frontal area and wind drag of a travel trailer is significantly more than towing a vehicle on a flatbed.

[@corneliusechols3121]

Might as well put the 6.4 in the ram also 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@nathangortz3203]

They did (unsure if they still do) but in the more heavy duty ram 2500 power wagon. When that truck came out in 2012 or 13 is actually how I found this channel.

[@corneliusechols3121]

@Nathan Gortz Yeah they supply the 6.4 for the 2500. but I was referring to the Ram 1500 like the one in the video.

[@KyleHarrisonRedacted]

Extremely unlikely going forward. Hemi was canceled. Going to be replaced by a new turbod V6 platform (new engine, not pentastar)

[@AkioWasRight]

@@KyleHarrisonRedacted It's actually an Inline 6.

[@La-yt1wr]

Why not get a 2500 then. If you need a Ram 1500 with more towing power, I’d recommend the EcoDissel or Cummins.

[@robsteingruber9488]

Just picked up a 22 Ram Laramie 4x4. Replaced my 2017 F150 after it puked the transmission. So far I am impressed and enjoying the Ram.

[@ricepile1343]

BuT fOrD bEtTeR tHaN pOopY fCa StOp LyInG

[@honestaquarian1]

Man Andre’s reaction at the gas pump when he was talking about the potential unladen MPG of the Wagoneer and the pump suddenly stops was CLASSIC!

[@alexanderwademd]

This is exactly the stuff I appreciate seeing. I am struggling with the decision of how to replace my aging SUV and the obvious answer is a RAM (for towing capacity) but I really like the form factor of an SUV. Thank you Thank you for this comparison. Very helpful.

[@Lonewolves31]

They are producing some great vehicles these days. Love my 2022 Rebel.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Yup plenty of gladiators catching on fire lately

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@jacobstrutner8232 mine has been fine. 🤷‍♂️

[@paulhunter9613]

John Doe, Those “plenty of fires” he speaks of is that of a Jeep catching on fire because of a roll over, no need to pay attention to him

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

@@paulhunter9613 🤣🤣🤣you have no idea on what you're talking about.

[@easttexasengineering3489]

Purchased a wagoneer series 3 (not the grand) for the wife in December, sticker was $90,200 completely loaded. Some may say that’s high but I can tell you looking at GMC, and Cadillac getting even close to the options I have in my series 3 put both of them closer to $105 and both still have less tow capacity and far less quality as my wagoneer. We are now 1 month in this wagoneer and still find options and electronics we did not know we had. My only complaint is the monitors in the rear seats which are based on the amazon firestick platform so far in MY opinion is horrible. In one month the monitors have froze several times and we will be calling wagoneer about this if it happens again. Sorry but for $90k the entertainment for the kids shouldn’t freeze up this much. Other than that the wagoneer is amazing and I would say there is really NO OTHER suv with as much quality yet than this thing. I own a 2020 ram HO so I can’t compare the towing with that but my wife traded in our 2019 Nissan Titan XD for the wagoneer 3. Comparing bumper pull with that I would say it is impressive for an suv on our trailer. My trailer is a 20foot with a 50hp tractor for our ranch. About 8800 with attachments and 50 gallons of diesel on the deck..

[@wildbill23c]

Dang traded in the Titan, what was wrong with it? Already tired of driving it or, just wanted a new vehicle again? 8800lbs behind a Wagoneer is pretty impressive for an SUV.

[@easttexasengineering3489]

@@wildbill23c nothing was wrong with my Titan XD. I actually miss it since it was fully loaded with options and towed great. However I also had purchased a 2020 Ram 3500 Dually with the high output Cummins. Nissan bought the Titan back from me for $4,000 more than my payoff. Could not pass that up. And honestly after towing with the Ram, it’s a different animal. Yes the Titan handled the 12,000 gooseneck trailer just fine but you did know it was there. To be truthful this Ram 3500 I really cannot tell there is a trailer behind me. Also with the wife getting the wagoneer, I knew her wagoneer had a max tow of 10k so I could still pull a bumper pull with her suv on the ranch if needed. Back to your question again, I would truly buy another Titan XD if I have the need for a 2500 truck again.

[@wildbill23c]

@@easttexasengineering3489 Thanks for your response. The Titan is on my truck list, I don't need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, I just need to be able to haul my tractor, trailer and implements that weighs around 6500lbs, so I know the Titan is certainly capable of that, and after my experience with a 2008 Toyota Tundra I won't be getting another one of them. My 2008 Explorer is rated for 7100lbs and 6500lbs is way too close to the limit for my comfort to be towing that much weight somewhat frequently.

[@Fixin-To]

Eye Spy - the best entertainment.

[@Quidy27]

Great video as always. If you guys ever get bored, a video series on setting up hitches/trailers/weight dist./how to set trailer brakes etc.

[@MoneyShot_CM]

Wagoneer looks impressive, would love to see a head to head vs the Tahoe or Yukon. Just for kicks Was looking into the wagoneer a few weeks back and couldn't find one anywhere with the off road package

[@apelnkn2230]

I'm a fan of both these and the Yukon by looks for a full size SUV and would love to see the comparison as well, also not even a fan of most domestic vehicles but as stated above aesthetically, those are pleasing, and the wagoneer proved itself and it's (absurd) worth with it's towing capacity and comfort along with it's mpg flexibility, I'm here where jeeps are built 419🖤, and the electric Wrangler is also an interesting plot twist to their lineup

[@uowebfoot]

Just wait for all the problems it's going to have.

[@csgsavagebanana8102]

suburban vs yukon xl, im in love with the suburban because my dad had a 9th gen with the 5.3L ever since he passed ive been trying to find one in decent shape

[@bethanyboada7441]

What problems ? All the hard parts are fairly reliable trans and engine are fine . The tick isn’t really wide spread cops cars see the most issues even with 7500 hours on the 5.7 with proper oil changes they are mostly fine sooooo... are you referring to electronic problems? Most well off people lease them and get new ones every few years ... please explain

[@tedcalouri2694]

Because it isn't for going off road, it is for everything the original Wagoneers mocked. While Land Rover was busy trying to make a Rolls Royce mix with a Defender, Jeep realized nobody is going to go play in the mud in a vehicle that you don't want to get back into with muddy boots. They put AC and electric windows in and called it their version of upscale. Still functional but not to full of themselves. They were fantastic. This thing betrays the very core of what the Wagoneer name represents!

[@americanrambler4972]

Impressed with the performance and fuel efficiency of the big motored Wagonier. That rig is a nice beast!

[@wildbill23c]

For $100k+ it better be impressive LOL.

[@mattlimberg5763]

Really shocked by the Wagoneer's mog result. I want to see more of that because it's rated for 18mpg highway and returned nearly 25 in test, truly impressive. I would also like to see a direct comparison now of the 6.4 and 5.7 in the same spec vehicle like Charger/Challenger or Grand Cherokee, maybe Durango to see what truly is, as having 100 more hp and the same mpg possible is amazing.

[@trevorjurges3430]

I've seen in GM trucks I've owned the V8s get pretty decent mileage on highway if driven not aggressively. I've also experienced the higher powered, premium gas V8 (6.2) getting better MPG towing and empty than the regular gas V8 (5.3) just like this

[@wildbill23c]

Larger engine under load doesn't have to work nearly as hard as a smaller engine, so I can easily see a better fuel economy number while towing.

[@jason3986]

I think you should use 89 octane in the ram 1500 I believe that’s what recommended for that truck. Great video

[@slmjake]

Good morning TFL and followers! Thanks for posting content where vehicles have to work a bit!!!

[@jimmyjames8736]

Great head to head comparison Andre. No need to apologize for the hoodie. I figure if a guy from Russia tells you it is cold then it is pretty darn cold.

[@markbigelow6402]

I would do another mpg loop on the GW just to confirm the result you saw. If you get them again then that’s impressive and makes me want one even more.

[@tonysteele3805]

Recommended fuel on the 5.7 HEMI is 89 FYI

[@Garage28_28]

I have been saying this for years, RAM NEED TO PUT 6.4 IN A 1500 !!

[@jasonfecteau4868]

Great Video! Just a heads-up: RAM 1500 recommends 89oct for the Hemi, 87oct is ok in a pinch but not recommended.

[@christopherrichards8494]

Always ran 89 in my Rams and I noticed a difference when I used 87 when I was in a pinch. Way better econ with 89.

[@Ishkatan]

I think you should include cost ($.$$) per mile calculations when comparing 87 octane and 91 octane fuel economy... and when looking at EVs as well. Also, given the price difference in vehicles, cost of vehicle + gas + maintenance for 100,000 and 200,00 0 miles. Then you can add or deduct the luxury value over 10 years. Luxury value is a $$ value for key features such as heated seats, sun roof, collision avoidance, cruise control, lane keeping, etc. What are people willing to pay for each. Check list for a total. :)

[@DandGBears]

Good idea but they will not do that. I do really like the TFL team but sometimes I get the feeling they are a little to close to FCA. For example how is it that Andre did not call out how a 100,000 dollar vehicle is no quieter than a 50,000 pickup. He did mention it but more in how good the Ram was and silence on how a vehicle that costs twice as much did the same. That’s unforgivable. Also a regular Wagoneer has a starting cost of 15,000 over a Tahoe/Yukon. What do you get for that extra 15,000 grand? Absolutely nothing and they should be shredding FCA for that blatant cash grab. Yet they do not even bring it up, strange.

[@paulhunter9613]

People say the same thing when they test fords and Toyota, that they favor that brand.

[@ThatSallyChick]

Hey Andre! I was really looking forward to an Ike with the Wagoneer. Are you guys planning to do one sometime in the future? Would be a great head to head with the Suburban and/or Tahoe. And honestly, I think most people are going to tow, are going to get the 5.7L- already a stretch at that price point for the average family. Thanks for the great work you put into this channel!

[@Bob-TheTechGuy]

I believe the RAM recommends 87 for not towing and 89 when towing. I know that's what my 2021 RAM 1500 5.7 w/eTorque with the 3.9 rear says. I would assume the 2022 is the same.

[@TheRamGuy]

Octane ratings are different at high elevation

[@timbur2711]

Octane ratings are the same but the air density is different

[@ALMX5DP]

Yeah I’d personally try to follow manufacturer minimum requirements regardless of elevation.

[@toyyoda3710]

@@ALMX5DP You can try but the Premium they recommend for the grand wagoneer doesnt make any difference at high elevation

[@c_solly5892]

24.9 mpg is incredible for a 6.4L v8 in a vehicle that large. I definitely wasn't expecting that.

[@jeepin4life]

A mile above sea level too!

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Gotta run really expensive fuel. In Illinois it's $4/gal for 91 vs $3.30 for 87.

[@AkioWasRight]

Just proves that displacement doesn't result in what you think. Axle ratio and octane probably had a greater impact.

[@Marcionsblackhand]

...as well as ground clearance and TIRES. A more aggressive look will cost you more if one rarely leaves the pavement.

[@JonBecker81]

Cold rainy Sunday with the fire going, my dog next to me and TFL. Perfection.

[@Julian-do7bv]

Really wish they would put the 6.4 in the ram

[@nathangortz3203]

The did, it was in the 2500 chassis. Google 2500 power wagon. Had the choice of the 6.4 or 6.7 Cummins.

[@Julian-do7bv]

@@nathangortz3203 yeah I know they are in the 2500 but wish they would put them in the 1500

[@BullittKid08]

@@nathangortz3203 people are aware they put the 6.4L in the 2500. People want it in the half ton trucks, but itll never happen because of cafe numbers

[@coachvonyo]

@@nathangortz3203 HD 6.4 is 410 HP built for towing durability. This one is 470. This engine should have been put in a 1/2 ton by now. No excuse for it.

[@getnbigger29]

Next time maybe test it vs a standard wagoneer with the same 5.7. Pricing and performance would be about the same. Comparing it to a 90k+ suv puts it in the realm of a loaded limited 3500 diesel dually not a big horn 1500.

[@theglowcloud2215]

Sure, keep making excuses for the failure of the 1500 aka Pavement Princess.

[@cameronwhite6592]

The highway MPG of the Wagoneer in your test was a miracle. Perhaps a possible explanation was the slipstream from the trailer (assuming the MPG test was performed when the Wagoneer was following the Ram while it was towing and vice versa). Perhaps the Wagoneer was driven closer behind the trailer than the Ram, accounting for the more miraculous fuel economy. Great video.

[@b1pig]

I think you nailed the comparison. There's a $35,000 price gap, so they don't really compare price wise. Performance was very nice. I own a 2020 Ram 1500 Longhorn. While I would absolutely love to have a Grand Wagoneer (or just a lowly Wagoneer) in my garage, I do not fit into that financial bracket. I believe that Jeep has solidly punched all the others squarely in the nose in that high-end SUV market. It is sleek, quick and powerful. While the feds have probably ruined any chance of seeing a 700hp variant from Mopar, I'm certain that there will be some builders who will put together a Hellcat powered Wagoneer to compete with the M and AMG's out there. Because... why wouldn't you?

[@b1pig]

Not that it matters.. but I found a helluva deal on a 2022 Wagoneer Series 2. Traded the Ram for it. I am not disappointed.

[@rayrussell6064]

That 6.4 is hard to beat and I don't understand why ram don't offer it in the 1500 don't make sense maybe because there would be less people buying the 2500 or 3500. Great content I always watch to find the latest and greatest for towing sense you have the Ike to go up and down. As always be safe 👍

[@bigbags85]

Finally picked up my 22 Laramie 1500 about a month ago and I love it! The Wagoneer is sweet but $$$$. Great video!

[@711slimshawny]

If you look at the owners manual the 5.7 ram is actually 89 recommended fuel. But 87 will work

[@andyhull3409]

87 is the 89 equivalent in Colorado

[@amalfi460]

Do a hypermiling run in the grand wagoneer to see if it can get 30 mpg

[@thomasdecoster8818]

Andre - I’d like to see a Grand Wagoner vs LX600 test, exactly the same as this test procedure. Realize the LX600 is going to be a wait but this would be my vote. Nice job Andre!!

[@douglasvieira1990dv]

I could see my self cross shopping these two if I was a parent with toys ( campers/utvs) Great video !

[@rightlanehog3151]

Thanks Andre!

[@IKnewMickey]

$91k. From my perspective I'd buy a 2022 SR5 Tundra and a 2022 Honda Accord and have $ left over. Nice suv tho no doubt.

[@DandGBears]

Better made vehicles that will be on the road way longer too.

[@paulhunter9613]

@results are in Good luck with that scenario

[@PlayWaves1]

You should account for the extra cost of premium fuel.

[@slmjake]

It's interesting that the larger displacement engine is more efficient. Are axle ratios and transmissions similar? Thanks for the great test! I didnt realize how capable the 6.4 is.

[@messagefamilystyled1101]

The 6.4 is larger and more torque down low in the rpm’s, much better for towing so it isn’t under as much strain to pull the load as the 5.7. The 5.7 really has to dump gas into the cylinders and rev to do the same work as the 6.4

[@BBBILLY86]

As capable and stout as the 5.7 hemi is. It's still only a 350 cubic inch motor. I love my 5.7 Hemi Ram but wish it was easier and cheaper to get a big sized motor to tow like back in the day. A 440 Ram should be a normal option. hahaha

[@wellthatdidntwork]

@@messagefamilystyled1101 you are right. Alot of ppl think that if its a bigger displacement engine that its gonna burn more gas. Just like you said, the 6.4 is more powerful and doesnt have to work as hard to do the same thing the smaller 5.7 is doing.

[@paulbenderavich3833]

@@wellthatdidntwork no replacement for displacement.

[@dillonh321]

@@BBBILLY86 353 cubes

[@jockosboy17]

It would be cool if TFL posted an uncut Split View of the road and gauge cluster of the drive so people could watch how it handles hills and passing etc.

[@SuperMustangred]

I got rid of my two wheel drive hemi etourq because I was only getting 16.2 MPG average

[@toddgibbs1321]

I have the 6.4 tuned for 87 octane in my 2500. It really is a beast. The premium tuned 6.4 has to be amazing. I am still glad I don’t need to pay for premium right now!

[@XploreAz]

Different engine than what's in the Grand Wagoneer.

[@gregferris9378]

With these vehicles being so big I'd like to know the turning radius.

[@dillonh321]

2 foot ball fields

[@BullittKid08]

19 feet according to car and driver

[@jacobstrutner8232]

@@BullittKid08 wtf? So it turns 180° in a smaller circle than it is long? Lies

[@JustinKingOffroad]

it's a good day when the pump kicks off at a solid $8 haha! pack it up and go home! you squeeze it a 3rd time and you jinx the week!

[@jaimegama7641]

Andre I had an observation from this mpg test. Not sure if it was my imagination but I think you short changed the grand wagoner on its towing mpg loop. It seems you also did the zero to 60 run after you fueled up for the towing loop, where on the ram you ran the zero to 60 before you fueled up to run the towing mpg loop. It seems that the unladen mpg on the grand wagoner was better than the ram. But when you did the towing loop they where almost identical?

[@nealfox1976]

I wonder if the truck had 3.21 ratio gears if the mileage may have been slightly better? 🤔 Great comparisons. 👍

[@ohioguy4326]

yea and the truck has the offroad group so it has a 1" lift over a standard ram.

[@b1pig]

It could have while unloaded, However I think that towing that load, the economy would have been slighly less. I went from a 2015 3.92 2wd to a 2019 2wd. The 2019 had the 3.21 and partial hybrid. It was much faster than my 2015 and did average similar highway mileage, but towing the same boat the fuel economy was worse than the 2015 was. Needless to say, I only had the 2019 for 9 months before I bought a 2020 4wd 3.92 W/O any offroad package and W/O hybrid. The 4wd 3.92 has slightly lower numbers, but my towing fuel economy is still better than the 2wd 3.21 truck. That is solely MY experience. All my towing has been less than 1,000 MSL all the way down to Sea Level. All of it with the three 5.7's, all 8 speed. All with the same 20' pontoon boat. While never same day/same pump comparisons, I'm referring to my observed averages on each vehicle. All of them tended to be within a couple tenths of a mile comparing dash mileage to math/pump mileage. None of the trucks had/have any modifications. Completely stock.

[@JohnLogan-p5f]

Nice comparison, agreed with the Grand Wagoneer over any SUV!

[@MidSouthUTV]

So is the answer for RAM is to put the 6.4L in the 1500? It's in the 2500 already but that truck is a lot heavier than the 1500. I've driven a RAM HD 2500 with the 6.4L HEMI before, pulling a gooseneck trailer and loaded down with UTVs. I was impressed by that RAM 2500 6.4L HEMI, that is also found in that Jeep Grand Wagoneer.

[@dadlife5886]

The Ram 6.4 is different than the 6.4 in the SRT cars and the Grand Wagoneer. The Ram 6.4 is only 410hp and 429ft/lbs..

[@harshAmiya]

@@dadlife5886 yeah, but can take lot more abuse and tow lot more than any of those SRTs and Wagonner. Made for longevity

[@dadlife5886]

@@harshAmiya I’m aware. I own one. I’ve put 145k/miles on it towing a travel trailer all over the United States. No problems so far (knock on wood).

[@harshAmiya]

@@dadlife5886 nice, i own one too. And use it as my daily. RAM 2500 Big Horn 6.4L HEMI

[@dadlife5886]

@@harshAmiya same Ram 2500 Laramie 4x4 6.4 Hemi.

[@sargenthp]

Jeep is way overpriced. But I guess what isn’t these days. Insane.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

$100k for a Jeep... I feel bad for the ones paying over $50k for the gladiators and wranglers. Gladiators are catching on fire with the trans quite often...

[@TomazHilton]

@@jacobstrutner8232 like 90k escalades werent having any issues...

[@mybro727]

@@TomazHiltonWait, how many Cadillac Escalades have caught on fire again? There’s no comparison there, thanks! Try again!

[@TomazHilton]

@@mybro727 very few Jeeps caught fire . Almost all first year new GM SUVs had lifter issues resulting in blown engines

[@mybro727]

@@TomazHilton Again, zero _Cadillacs_ have caught on fire. I’m fully aware of the lifter issue, but that’s not what you were talking about earlier. Still, zero ICE *gm* products have caught on fire. Fully electric Bolts powered by batteries manufactured by a third party that were defective, isn’t the same reason Jeep and Stellantis is experiencing these issues. Apples 🍎 to bananas 🍌

[@sly9263]

I mean considering the fuel cost difference I don't consider the wagoneer equivalent mpg as the data displays; it's more expensive to go the same distance in the wagoneer. I'd also question how the wagoneer holds up towing and how it feels vs the ram/any fullsize pickup

[@JonBecker81]

I think he said the wagoneer felt better than the ram. But it wasn’t really apples to apples because the ram didn’t have airbags. Is that even still an option with ram?

[@tgh117]

@@JonBecker81 4 wheel air suspension is still available in the ram 1500's

[@paulhunter9613]

Sly Why would you question the reliability of the Jeep? It’s all new, it could be the better than the ram. Do you question the new tundra also? Only time will tell with a new, redesigned vehicle

[@scottyellis3442]

I'm not a Chrysler fan but I really like that wagoneer, as always another great video.

[@brandonchilders2118]

Great comparison video. I like the way you did this one.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@boomstickpd79]

By percentage the GW is actually towing more than the Ram. Try percentage of max towing to be more accurate. The Ram was towing 74% of its max while the GW is towing 81%. The GW should have towed 7400 lbs to make the % even.

[@ALMX5DP]

Why would % be preferred?

[@boomstickpd79]

@@ALMX5DP if you are comparing towing efficiency you need to keep the % of towing weight comparable. Example, a truck can tow 15000 lbs. An suv tow 8000 lbs. if both tow 7000 lbs. I absolutely believe the truck will tow easier and be more efficient because it’s only towing half its max vs the suv which is towing its limit.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@boomstickpd79 if comparing two very dissimilar vehicles that might make sense, but these are quite close to one another. If such a test was performed Im sure viewers would complain if one vehicle performed better, suggesting it was only because it had more/less weight behind it. Comparing similar vehicles using a standard trailer weight/type seems appropriate to me.

[@davewinter8949]

Great comparison video. I would like to see how a Yukon Denali and a GMC Sierra with the 6.2 would compare to these two in the same head to head test.

[@nickricholetti754]

These prices for vehicles are absolutely ridiculous. What the hell do these dealers think we average Americans do for a living ?

[@sean2148]

I’m kind of confused on what octane is recommended for the 5.7. Could have sworn in another video they said Mopar recommends 89.

[@paulhunter9613]

I googled the 5.7 and it says 89 octane, one of the reasons I went with another brand of truck. It costs another $6 minimum per tank, x4 a month, x12 months. It does add up

[@torontovolger3836]

The Ram 1500 Limited 6.4 L most likely could get up there in price next too the Jeep Grand Wagonaeer Or the cheaper Jeep Wagonaeer 5.7 L vs Ram 1500 Big Horn 5.7 L the Ram may have come alway a bit better could be shape too a SUV has a closed back vs a open back on a pickup truck for better MPG

[@roguedogx]

14:05 I think you might have another issue. I doubt that number is correct.

[@BruceSmith-ib3gl]

Unl3ss you are loaded with cash the truck makes more sense. With a few thousand dollars a person can squeeze another 50 or more horses and torque. I would choose the truck...

[@blacklilac1408]

When you guys test do you put Premium 93 in all the gas vehicles before the tow. It would make sense to at the elevation and for trucks with turbos but I am curious.

[@cameronwhite6592]

Isn't 89 octane recommended for the 5.7 Hemi? Although to be fair, there wasn't any 89 available at the pump Andre used.

[@chriscon8463]

Man, that Jeep is big & luxurious!

[@325xitgrocgetter]

Unloaded, the GW highway mpg is almost in minivan territory. Very impressive.

[@OneNationUnderGod.]

My wife's 7 year old Yukon gets 24mpg on the highway all the time and we live in Colorado so and drive this same area often.

[@entreptiles]

Thanks for helping me to convince my spouse to trade our 2020 RAM 1500 Limited in for a 2022/2023 Grand Wagoneer Series III! 😁

[@triedproven9908]

The Grand Wagoneer is a machine of machines.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

now if ram got a ram charger ver of the grand wagoneer brought it down market 2 row true off roader for us overlander /car campers who want a wagon for cargo, towing lot of us have no need a 7-8 passenger family wagon

[@engineeringVirtue]

Wheelbase wheelbase. That's why you tow with truck. Less risk of trailer sway when >30ft trailer attached. Also, don't forget sustained stopping power going downhill when having to engine break.

[@robertgordon9295]

I think a better comparison would have been the Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi vs. the Grand Wagoneer. Closer in price, closer in weight, same engine, same transmission…

[@TheRamGuy]

The Ram 2500 would have performed worse than the 1500

[@os8367]

The 6.4 in the HD Rams is the BGE version and the 6.4 in the Jeeps is based off the SRT version different engines.

[@RICKY760]

So cruise control while towing is ok??

[@beowulfgrendel24]

Always figured it odd they would put the 6.4 in a Jeep but not a 1500 that everyone was asking for. Manufacturers never listen to consumers

[@BullittKid08]

Cafe number probably wont allow it. Heavy motor means less payload

[@timcartwright4679]

​@@BullittKid08 Amazingly the 6.4 weighs less than the 5.7

[@ALMX5DP]

@@timcartwright4679 wait, really? What makes it lighter?

[@jasonpaiva4793]

Agreed 👍 Grand Wagoner is Pretty Impressive. I still think looks a bit suburban ish

[@TomazHilton]

how? suburbans dont have body color Pillars or trapezoid wheel wells.

[@duggydo]

91+ required is a deal breaker. Wouldn’t buy one that needs premium fuel unless I was racing with it.

[@MDC8]

Jeep site does not list the 6.4L as having cylinder deactivation, while the 5.7L does. I *think* the 6.4L in HDs do NOT have MDS either.

[@os8367]

My 2020 2500 6.4 has MDS.

[@86rustbucket]

That 6.4 engine needs to be an option on the Ram 1500 as an upgrade to the 5.7. It would also be great if they could get the 6.4 on the Ram HD trucks to be a bit more potent.

[@KyleHarrisonRedacted]

I agree but it's pointless now 🤷‍♂️ Hemi is no longer in production, being replaced by a new (non Pentastar) turboed V6 platform I suspect for the heavy duties itll just be Cummins

[@86rustbucket]

@@KyleHarrisonRedacted Kyle, I haven’t heard that. Thanks for sharing. Lame, just don’t like the complexity of all the turbo and associated components. I still think they need a non Cummins option for the HD trucks, I have a Cummins now, would be great if there was something in between the 6.4 gas and the Cummins in terms of power and cost.

[@stgibson2810]

I have a 21 Ram 2500 6.4 and it pulls 10k like it’s a rag doll. Not sure how much more potent you need for 99% of towing applications.

[@os8367]

@@stgibson2810 I Agree my 2020 6.4 with the 4.10 gears pulls just fine.

[@psychologicaltirefire8190]

@@KyleHarrisonRedacted It's a turbocharged straight six, not a V6. I'm pretty hyped as a Jeep guy for a straight six being available in Jeeps again, not to mention it's turbocharged. But I doubt they'll drop the 6.4/392 for the 3/4 ton trucks.

[@speedicusmaximus]

A great test, thank you. Did the Ram 1500 have a bed cover ? If not, would the MPG figures be higher than you obtained (Judging from your earlier test on your "Stubby" Ram 1500 Regular Cab MPG test ...) ?

[@michaelexline5382]

Nice comparison I would also pick the Truck over SUV for the price. You could option the Truck a little better for some of the luxuries and still be cheaper.

[@jasonfalk7696]

I hope Ram is watching, and realizes how bad the truck needs the 6.4.

[@JonBecker81]

I don’t think it NEEDS it but it would be better. The 5.7 still does pretty dang good. It should be an option though. It is surprising that it’s not an option seeing how all the other Jeep, dodge etc have so many engine options and the ram only has 2 if you don’t include the trex.

[@teedoemoto1]

It still surprises me that Ram hasn't done a R/T trim package with the 6.4L Hemi. It could use the TRX body panels/bumpers/hood/etc. I think RAM wouldn't be able to keep them in stock if they made that package...

[@TomazHilton]

Sport Trucks isnt the thing anymore.

[@maya00795]

Ram 1500 backcountry AWESOME 🙏👍

[@wellthatdidntwork]

I wonder how many ppl are gonna scrape together their last pennies to get the wagoneer and then try to run low grade fuel in it 🤔

[@KyleHarrisonRedacted]

"I already paid so much for this" lol

[@Flathead40]

Is there an ethanol content difference between premium and mid grade at this gas station? Living relatively close to the front range I know this is a possibility and can skew fuel economy comparisons.

[@MrNismopro]

I think the Grand Wagoneer deserves an optional 3.0 Liter EcoDiesel 480 lb/ft torque variant.

[@jaredfletcher1587]

Makes sense. The ecodiesel is a garbage fiat engine however

[@MrNismopro]

@@jaredfletcher1587 really. We have a fleet of 14 Ram EcoDiesels ranging from 40k miles to 170k miles and we haven't experienced any issues. I also own a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the CRD 3.0 and it has 218k miles and it runs pretty good. Also worth noting the the EcoDiesel wasn't and isn't "really" Fiat. It's VM Motori that was purchased by Fiat. But I guess is Fiat bought Cummins they would be a piece of crap too in your opinion. 👍🏼

[@jaredfletcher1587]

@@MrNismopro 170k really isnt much for a diesel. Even for a gas engine thats nothing crazy

[@jaredfletcher1587]

@@MrNismopro the only reason you buy a 2500 or 3500 dodge generally is for the cummins option. The rest of the truck is junk

[@MrNismopro]

@@jaredfletcher1587 , you're right 170k miles isn't a lot for an engine. But 170k trouble free miles isn't an easy achievement. We have some 5.3 Silverados that have lifter issues. We Ford F450's with CP4 pump failures ranging from $8-$12k in repairs. Tell me this then. What's not a garbage? What is a "non garbage" machine in your standards.

[@johncoleman1818]

But what was the difference in fuel cost between 87 and 91 octane?

[@paulhunter9613]

In my neck of the woods it can be .80 to $1. I cringe when putting gas in my classic car..

[@johncoleman1818]

@@paulhunter9613 I like that I have an option of 87 or 89 octane on my 2020 Ram with 5.7e

[@MADMAX7330]

Also to be noted, you're running winter blend of fuel. That has a lesser calorific value, so fuel economy takes a dip

[@mrmoparrr]

Will you please Perform the Same Test the H.O. Hurricane vs the 5.7 Hemi ‘

[@ToddTaylorTexas]

Would like to see same comparison with the Durango SRT 392 with the Durango 5.7 Tow and Go next!

[@flyonbyya]

Andre ROCKS !!

[@getnbigger29]

On the next 0-60 for the ram why not put it in 4-auto for the towing and unladen tests? It may not be a ton faster but I would assume a second of the towing for sure with that wheel spin and the traction control cutting power.

[@gmcg8775]

Wish the 6.4 was an option in the Ram

[@wcjeep]

Pricing of fuel for both when including extra cost of premium? Appears the truck is better at work and the SUV is better for the mall?

[@KyleHarrisonRedacted]

Question, did the 1500 also have the Eco mode where it shuts down cylinders down to 4 when cruising? My 2020 1500 Classic Warlock has that but I'm guessing since it wasn't mentioned for the 2022 1500 here it was in full V8 mode the whole time?

[@daniel1k793]

With "towing mode" on, it locks out both MDS and 8th gear. When not towing, I can tell you from experience with 1500, I normally can't keep it in 4 cyl. Mode when going over anything over 60mph using cruise control.. if we can draft another truck on the highway and get eco Mode on, we get way better mpg like most other cars with bad aerodynamics would too!

[@TheChevyBwoi]

Can we please do towing on the Ike and a mpg loop with the Wagoneer (5.7L) 3.21 gears please? Great video!

[@cjr4497]

89 is recommend for the Ram 1500 Hemi not 87. " The use of 89 octane “Plus” gasoline is recommended for optimum performance and fuel economy. While operating on gasoline with an octane number of 87, hearing a light knocking sound from the engine is not a cause for concern." page 499 in the manual

[@alexgourlay4760]

Is it an issue if I use 91 or 93 in my ram 1500? It’s cheaper at Costco then 87 at the gas station near me