This is What Bothers Me About Nikola Vucevic

[@Cam101077]

Lavine IQ, vooch decline in play, and lonzo injury ruined this era of the bulls

[@Byron_Douglas]

Zo going to ball out this year bruh

[@otaviorangel1398]

What bothers me is that he is awful at defense and even doesn't try to get better.

[@atsk3281]

He is 30+. How can you get better at defense at that age?!

[@swaymcthunder1219]

He is just too slow and old. More times than not, he does try. He is just terrible. Zach is the one who never put an effort on that end.

[@gremcilia_immermurin]

​@@atsk3281Brook Lopez says hi.

[@jdh9676]

Wow. "Orlando Vuc" doesn't even look like the same player as "Bulls Vuc."

[@Angel.Malooo]

He’s not playing the same Role! 😂

[@jdh9676]

@@Angel.Malooo The role of an All Star caliber center? Well....that's obvious.

[@Angel.Malooo]

@@jdh9676 dumbass comment. 😂 Vooch in Orlando was One of the Main Ball handlers if not the Point Center type player, mix between jokic and dirk. Not as great but Solid. Here he’s being played as a New Era 5 that shoots from the 3. When running the P&R with the Bulls He gets the ball In the Arc while the whole Paint is Clogged with your Undersized injured guarda playing the 4 (caruso, Green, Craig)

[@Angel.Malooo]

⁠@@jdh9676not even Close brother, Orlando used him like a Joker-dirk type player.. before joker. He was one of the main ball handlers in Orlando. Ball went through him, because of his unselfish play and IQ. But here they want to use him like a Stretch 5

[@swaymcthunder1219]

@@Angel.Malooo some one who gets it. Saying the same things as I am.

[@jrod38033]

Always do an amazing job organizing your thoughts to tell your story! Been a fan for years now and we'll watch the team bounce back 😈.. Eventually 😪

[@BullsCentral]

Really appreciate that brother 🙏

[@_Mista_X]

He does a lot of finger pointing but isn't able to be held accountable. The first thing that comes to mind was the year Pat Bev joined the team. There was a game where Vooch, like usual, COMPLETELY missed defensive rotation and Pat was trying to tell him about it-this guy had the nerve to pout.

[@93brownsuga98]

I remember that game!

[@robertantol6191]

Which makes me believe that zach is a better teammate than vuc

[@swaymcthunder1219]

Vuc was a good teammate in Orlando. This hasn't been a good situation for him. The only guy out of the big 3 that made sacrifices to make this work, and misused big time. On top of that, took majority of the blame until last season when some accountability finally went towards zach. At some point, you can only take so much before you check out.

[@swaymcthunder1219]

Also, almost everyone hates pat bev. Can you blame someone for not wanting to listen to a guy who goes after people's knees.

[@noy8940]

I liked the trade for about 15 minutes until I realized how old Vooch was at the time. That and the 2 picks were a near-instant red flag for me

[@yegrosal]

I don't like Vuc, but this take about his "demeanor" and not "being bought in" is super unfair. I think his demeanor is perfectly normal and professional. He's commented various times and how he hasn't shot well, so it's not like he doesn't take the blame. He just hasn't played well. It's all about the on-court stuff with him. Similar to Lavine.

[@swaymcthunder1219]

This was my thoughts exactly. Up until last year, he along with Billy has taken all of the blame for this team's failures. A guy who has made his living playing in the post with Orlando and has good basketball IQ has had to stand at the 3 point line here and watch someone with zero IQ dominate the ball. And then we blame Vooch? Why wouldn't he be frustrated. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't be involved I'm a community that clearly hates me as well. I think this is a bad take. Our team created this mess.

[@zeroxhakubi3211]

I will never forget how much Wendell frustrated me. Vooch is fine by comparison. Hot take I guess lol

[@Austin-l1j]

Not at all and even still Wendell is injury prone and still doesn’t play up to his potential. Wendell has only played 60 games one time in his career lol. He’s damaged goods.

[@Angel.Malooo]

Hot take. They are playing the same exact game. Prior to the trade WCJ Was playing like a Stretch 5 chucking up 3’s Vooch has Executed the same Gameplan better. Vooch’s decline and Inefficient game is more a Coaching issue, We all Know How Donovan loves Small Ball 4 guard Lineups To run up and down the court like he’s still Coaching College teams! 💯💯

[@BullsCentral]

A LOT of Bulls were hating on Wendell which is part of the reason they loved the trade when it happened

[@swaymcthunder1219]

I agree with you to an extent. He was so misused here tho, sacrificed living at the 3 point line even tho he isnt a good 3 point shooter to give more space to zach and demar. He was a post player in orlando, and had good IQ. Instead he has had to watch a player with zero IQ dominate the ball. And up until last year, vooch has been getting almost all the blame while demar and zach just played hero ball and took no blame. I dont know about you, but if the fan base i played for constantly bad mouthed me the way they have vooch since he has been here, i wouldnt be getting involved in the community either.

[@CHI-JORDAN-CHI]

lol reminds me of Bosh when he went to Miami or Kevin Love in Cleveland

[@anthonychristianson411]

100% agree, vooch has always acted like he thought he should have a bigger role despite ineffective rebounding, poor athleticism and literally nonexistent effort on defense. He's definitely got his upsides with his touch and shooting ability (maybe not last season) but I've always had a tough time convincing myself that vooch positives outpace his negatives

[@Angel.Malooo]

Vooch is a consistent double double on any night, I’m sure inefficient coaching 4 GUARD LINEUPS have nothing to do with it. 😂😂😂

[@juanacosta4328]

@@Angel.Maloooagreed

[@swaymcthunder1219]

Lol, I think you are way off on the vuc ego thing. He was the only one of the big 3 that made sacrifices to their game to try and make this work. He lived at the 3 point line even though he was never a good 3 point shooter. I agree to an extent what BC is saying about him not being as involved with the team, but I never seen him act above his teammates. That is been zach.

[@anthonychristianson411]

@@Angel.Malooo nothing you're talking about has anything to do with what my point was but okay lol

[@anthonychristianson411]

@@swaymcthunder1219 lmaooo were definitely not watching the same player

[@tek3429]

I disagree that Vuc hasn't worked or given enough to the Bulls team. Vuc didn't come to the Bulls as a developmental player, he was already a top skilled player at his position which is why he was worth two draft picks that were projected to be mid to late round firsts. If he came to the team and worked hard but didn't always feel like he was being utilized fully I can see where a player could become less motivated. If a player feels like he could be a first or second best option and then becomes the third or fourth option, especially when it matters late in games I can see that having an impact. Big men in this sport dont always have the ability to get the touches they may want. Put Vuc in with a lineup of high scoring, ball dominate players like Demar & Zach and at times he isn't getting the ball unless he is boarding, which he did. How many games over the years has the Bulls been competitive and looked really good against good competition when they were passing more and getting Vuc involved more, only to see the team stagnate, settle for outside shots, and fall behind in games when those shots start missing?

[@LiLFAMO]

Everyone was happy wen vooch first got here but now he’s turned everyone’s head

[@clutchturkey5781]

Many point to this trade as one of the Bulls worst trades... but that's also in hindsight. I liked this trade and while yes, it did not pan out. I don't blame the front office for this trade too much. This was mostly liked by people at the time. And this is coming from someone that do like Wendell Carter Jr.

[@clutchturkey5781]

And yes, I've defended Vucevic most of the time. But last year bothered me a lot with his poor attitude.

[@BullsCentral]

Exactly, and everyone was bitching about WCJ at the time as being too soft

[@kennethhill3924]

I loved the initial trade for Vooch in 2021, but not at all happy with the 3year re-signing of Vooch in 2023.

[@johnbrennan4449]

all trades, draft picks & transactions need to be judged in hindsight. GM's need to have forsight.

[@clutchturkey5781]

@@johnbrennan4449 I agree that we use hindsight to judge how successful or unsuccessful a trade is (or any other moves). But that doesn't negate the fact that this was a positively well-received trade at the time. We can have revisionist history saying that you never liked the trade. (I'm not specifically saying you) GMs can't be perfect, but the good GMs can pivot from and minimize mistakes.

[@Adog00]

Agreed. Vuc really isn’t that guy with that attitude

[@hugoheffner8099]

No you're wrong. Lots of Bulls fans thought that trade was 🗑 when it happened, including myself. Why do you trade a younger player AND 2 picks for a non-defense, 30+year old who was an end of the all-star bench, barely all- star? Made no sense then, and the trade has proven itself to be the failure it would inevitably be

[@youweiner]

But you didn't notice. When vucevic was having the highest inflated stats in 2021. The magic roster were completely depleted in that season. He takes volume of shots and that's the lesson. They sold high

[@marvinbernard87]

Exactly

[@siner2442]

I liked where the Bulls were going, till they made this trade… they had young fast players willing to play defense, then they traded for Vucević? To me personally it killed all their potential as a team, He’s not that type of player so I can see why he feels like he sacrificed a lot by being there… they didn’t know how to use him. Bad GM bad Coaching! (I won’t even mention Injury Lovine)

[@kennethhill3924]

Okay first, I also felt at the time of the trade in 2021 it was a great move…for an Orlando Vooch type player, yeah all day. But my problem is not with the initial trade, it’s with the re-signing of Vooch for 3 years/60 million after seeing and knowing he was the type player he has become. And if Vooch was so unhappy about being here and the circumstances around his lack of usage, why did he re-sign for 3 more years here? The Bulls FO as well as Vooch could have solved this problem in 2023 by going their own separate ways.

[@easyland5995]

U are right !!! His mind wasn't there. To me this is just a job for him with the Bulls. Comes in, clocks in, clocks out. Bye. Bonus : I was upset when he was first row for a magic game in Orlando. Reminds me of Wade with Miami Heat attachments m.

[@easyland5995]

For the trade part: I always said: it would be a good one with just one frp

[@ArmyLT09]

This really was a good trade at the time. You look at Mikal Bridges going for 5 first round picks and Vucevic went for 2. They were pretty much equal in talent at the time when they were both traded

[@marksia543]

What if this trade didn't happened at all, what could have been? PG- COBY WHITE SG- ZACH LAVINE SF- PATRICK WILLIAMS PF- FRANZ WAGNER C- WENDEL CARTER JR. PG- AYO DOSUNMU SG- ALEX CARUSO SF- JULIAN PHILLIPS PF- TORREY CRAIG C- ANDRE DRUMMOND

[@221blu7]

Yeah, I wasn't excited about the Vooch deal, but I wasn't mad either. I didn't like that he took P. Will's number, it was that act that made me wish we never got him. His play on the court has never been worth what we gave up for him, and he has made it harder to get rid of him. All in all, I am willing to give Vooch up for pennies on the dollar just to be out of his contract and poor on court attitude.

[@jtwilliams8895]

Vooch and Lavine have always had terrible body language, they almost never look like they’re having fun. This front office has really done a job on the franchise. I have zero confidence they’ll turn it at anytime soon

[@Gio33sports]

Just subbed bro keep it up you’ll go big one day 🔥🔥

[@BullsCentral]

🙏🙏

[@elementkx]

Why did the resign him? THATS the worst move management made.

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

I think someone said before it was a bird rights trap. An the Bulls were screwed either way by signing him or not.

[@swaymcthunder1219]

@@elementkx you are acting like vuc is untradable on his current deal, which is wrong. Zach is the one we have no shot on trading.

[@BullsCentral]

Resigning him yes was a bad move. The initial trade itself was not

[@balthorpayne]

I didn't even really know who he was when we traded for him and he is actually one of my favorite parts of this era. When he was on, shit was exciting. Getting the middle finger meme, the "poor little number nine" poster call from Stacey, the random ass "1/5 from 3" games where he hits a couple clutch ones in the 4th...I'm less bummed about him not panning out than I am about Zo going down. The offseason we got Zo I was big on Fred Van Vleet and Zo and getting that alert that we got him was exciting. The front office took a swing. Coming from Garpax "We don't know how to build around Jimmy Butler" I have zero hard feelings. Lets just move on and get the young guys going. I BELIEVE IN YOU, PWILL! Stop BSin, son!

[@TheKeyswf]

Glad you did this video and this is why I don’t like the Billy Donovan shade and criticism he gets from people in general… These players like Zach and Vuc have been problematic in ways that had very little to do with his coaching if at all anything but I digress! Great perspective on this one frfr.

[@BullsCentral]

Appreciate it brother. I’ve just never been a fan of his whole attitude and demeanor since coming to Chicago

[@koashjames]

My only debate to Vooch not wanting be in Chicago is the 3 year extension he signed to stay on in Chicago..

[@Gmoneyyyyyyyyyy]

Idk why we didn’t trade him in 2022

[@Angel.Malooo]

How is he supposed to defend the paint and rebound when Coaching has him Chucking 3’s from the arc. They playing him like a Jokic type player, except ball aint Going through him. He has good passing ability, high iq, and a selfless player, he makes the right play. Except the coach aint using ANY PLAYER in the right way. Hence Donovan playing undersized guards and Wings at the 4. Caruso, Green, DJJ. But Vooch’s game on the international stage when he plays for montenegro.. I like this channel, but this a Scapegoat video on a Player that is not being Utilized in anyway like he was In Orlando, but expecting him to have the same production…. And By the Way Vooch has proven to be a Reliable Double double Machine. I’m not saying he’s great and nothing is his fault, he’s definitely bad on defense. But expecting him to do the extra for the community, is nitpicking. 😂

[@mattchy1821]

Everyone said we won the trade deadline when that happened now everyone acts like we should have never done it😹

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

Its very obvious in the few years we’ve had vooch. He doesn’t like it here at all. He gives off Vibes of someone that dreads coming to work in the morning and doesn’t stay a minute longer than he needs to. The last time we saw Vooch as an actual decent player was the year we lost Lonzo to Injury. Since then it’s been lower effort coming from him with last season being at its worst. Yet so many ppl defend this guy saying the problem is the lineup, it’s Billy’s fault or AKME’s fault. At some point Bulls fans gotta face the fact that Vooch just wasn’t the guy for us. I think it would have been much better if the Bulls traded for Aaron Gordon instead of Vooch. Then the 4 position would have been solidified at an earlier point. Yeah we don’t get Demar anymore but I actually believe we could have had something decent to build on earlier instead of wasting time.

[@arielfarah8673]

You can most of that about Zach too. No leadership off court or on court. Low effort, engagement. AK really screwed us with wanting to build around two of the most empty stat low motor no sense of competitive fire guys in the whole league.

[@jaredisaac1235]

what bothers me about vucevic is that our front office signed him. twice. oh and he sucks.

[@TetrarchJefffreak69]

Well at least Vooch is not as bad as Carlos Boozer when he was with the Bulls. Boozer was complete trash and really did not help out Rose in any meaningful way

[@marvinbernard87]

His career stats tells me he definitely wasn’t worth 2 1st round picks

[@Byron_Douglas]

Bruh fax! I had high hopes for him! fr he was balling in Orlando...He don't rebound, don't play defense, stands at the three point line and calls for the ball...shit shooting %...shoulda kept Gafford, Wendell, or Andre..Forreal G he looks like he needs to retire. I understand if you're declining it's uncontrollable, but effort and attitude is something u CAN always control. Just terrible. Idk why they resigned him to that 3 year deal smh. Hyped on the Jalen Smith accuistion! Huge upgrade, goes with the timeline of the young talented core! His skillset is everything they've needed. Vooch will be at traded at deadline, and they ain't going to go shit for him....Frustrating they've been delusional with this guy. Bruh is flat out butt juice lol.. You're straight up on point with everything you spoke bro! Great vid bro!

[@jbrumfield6090]

Double doubles dont grow on trees

[@Angel.Malooo]

Vooch is playing literally the same game WCJ was playing Before he got traded for VOOCH. Vooch has been a bit better at the 3 than wcj, And back when bulls had WCJ He also Was terrible on defense Stepping down on P&R instead of in the shooters face.

[@acebandagedaclown4215]

Once players come to Chicago they dont want put any effort.

[@CrixDeveloper]

I'm with you my friend it was not a bad trade. His attitude is laughable, and he is not the kind of player you want to have in your roster.

[@DD-pc1iu]

I hated this trade… he was always trash but he was the best player on the Magic so his value was way higher than it should have been

[@lilbfrom094princeton8]

No Vuc filled a role when we traded him. We needed a big who can score on all three levels and rebound. It was pivotal that he could consistently shoot the three given that Zach and Demar getting to the rim. Ball doesn’t need the ball… The problem is Vuc and Zach need a PG for different reasons. Zach needs one in transition and backdoor cuts etc. Vuc needs one so he can get in rhythm when he picks and pops or rolls to the rim. WHITE WAS NEVER THE SOLUTION AT PG!!! One player (Ball) make or break your team. They are still believing that a PG was the solution by trading for OKC’s weakest link who can’t shoot or play defense by the way. Vuc was supposed ti be our Brook Lopez minus the defense but capable long story short. Brook bring much better from three. THATS WHY GETTING A COMPLIMENTARY PIECE WAS SO CRITICAL BEFORE TRADE DEADLINES.

[@albertmadrigal6985]

He did say it once ..

[@robertantol6191]

Bingo what I've been saying about his poor leadership or lack of mentorship and emotions on the court with refs etc

[@marvinbernard87]

Trading for Vuc was the worst decision. I have to disagree with this from a basketball perspective 😌

[@BakerJocelyn]

875 Alberto Heights

[@Ahmuh312]

While watching this video I actually just realized that vooch has kind of been an asshole

[@phamouspharoah1373]

To me my opinion that was a great trade because the hype around Vuc I didn’t watch not one single Orlando game when he was there so we got sold a dream he’s trash can ssa😭

[@EuphemiaZora]

94312 Goldner Forges

[@ronybeauge]

Completely wrong this was a bad move from day 1 and I called it. the bulls where headed no where except the bottom of the playoff seeding a team in that position does not make an all ij trade and sacrifice their future.love the channel but this is a bad and wrong take thats been proven

[@BullsCentral]

You got receipts of Bulls fans saying it was a bad trade on the day it happened?

[@ronybeauge]

@@BullsCentral I wish i had time to go find all the tweets but thats too much work however doug thonus and sb nation ripped the trade at the time. almost every national reporter ripped it too Bill simmons, zach lowe, ryan russillo legit the only people i heard praising it where bulls fans who i assumed just didnt know better

[@ronybeauge]

@@BullsCentral and it wasnt your die hard fans saying it ill give you that it was mostly casusals who didnt realize it was a horrible idea to trade all yoir future assets for when your not even a top 4 seed

[@KelleyBaird-z5j]

Misty Wells

[@christopherdonofrio9997]

Ok I’m sorry I love my bulls and fans but everyone needs to look back and realise that lonzo Zack demar vuc and Caruso was a great team when they were all together they were first in the east they were shooting 3s passing and playing great defense with lonzo running the offense and shitting down the permitter so to say it was bad trades and a mistake is just wrong we just got unlucky between lonzo being out for 2 years instead of 6 weeks Zack getting hurt abd playing selfish and vuc playing the worst in his career but if we look back if those guys didn’t fall off and get hurt this team would have been easy top 4 in east so let’s just stop with this was a disaster it was just straight unlucky

[@ErickHolung]

We don't give him the Ball 🏀 .. and the bulls turn him into role player because the Bulls wanted to build around Zach Lavine just to see Derozan is better than him and they both had identical playstyles. Vooch was an all star before he got here. Of course he don't care some. #bullsfan

[@7nawt7]

A lot of fans repeat what they heard some jackass say about whatever sport. The jackass being media talking heads on every platform. Fans are saying they can’t wait to trade Zach, because reporters keep saying he and Billy have problems. I’m siding with the guy that has been here, through some horrendous coaching situations. Including Billy D. Billy didn’t make Noah. Noah made Billy. Steve Kerr ain’t that good, Clay and Curry were the whole story. We give coaches all the credit, when teams win. What about, when teams suck? Why do we blame the players? Players don’t make plays, rotation, or the payroll. There is one constant, with the Bulls sucking, Jerry. Jerry and his friends taking up positions to screw fans that love the players. He wants all the credit, none of the blame. Must be nice, to be rich and white.

[@HarringtonEverley]

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[@NoddinSummi-c6f]

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[@zoaaa7598]

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[@blablablaa14]

He's just a very average player. Bulls bet on the wrong guy. As they often do

[@jayridglyn8580]

Biggest loser in the pick and roll, probably across the league. Hype his double doubles even tho his +/- is awful. Angel Reese much

[@davidn5334]

Vuc is 18 PPG & 11 RPG . . . . He has trade value ! Lets stop the silly sh##

[@ProfessorX484]

You must have had a really bad day.😅

[@richardwilson2827]

this man is trash vucevic trash front office trash chicago bulls trash use to be a bulls fan but i left with demar

[@odizza1688]

You were never a Bulls fan, fam. Stop it.

[@SirSmokesAlot-r8k]

And yet here you are on a bulls channel talking bulls and how you're not a fan. Cool go away go jump on another bandwagon. Here's the attention you seek. Sorry you don't got a life or ppl to talk to

[@SirSmokesAlot-r8k]

I never liked the deal. Sorry not sorry. We abandoned a rebuild and any development of a top 5 pick for the bulls to be zach lavines teams in a 'championship' run. Listen zachs never been or never will be a batman. Being the leading scorer on a bad team don't make you a batman. Also my dude stop being so edgy. Engagement is good and good for you cause it means views for your channel but every video being some edgy or provocative take is getting old. This video should've been made months ago