this is where 'The Idol' went wrong.

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hello hello lil cherubs. in today's video i talk about episode 1-3 of the new Sam Levinson and The Weeknd's HBO Max show, The Idol, starring Lily Rose Depp. While it's no surprise that it didn't exactly live up to the hype or expectation, there's a lot wrong with this show when it had room for it to go well. Where did it go wrong?
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[@NicoleRafiee]

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[@mialollo7335]

isn’t it just crazy how every single person watching the show would prefer the original idea w the original director

[@wiiplaya25]

No one can know what that version is like. Everyone’s simply assuming it’s better

[@priiifrg]

@@wiiplaya25because it can not possibly be worse.

[@amiee5081]

@@priiifrg Facts

[@Lemoncakelover678]

Honestly, I wsh we got what the original creator wanted than....this...

[@wlk3607]

literally!!

[@ellajaromina1735]

Nothing could have prepared me for how disgustingly bad the weekends acting is

[@uci1111]

extremely cringe acting 😭

[@diamcole]

I'm still genuinely confused by it lmao like...is he trying to be satirical? Is he being serious?! 🤣

[@kinsley.1113]

he definitely needs to stick to singing

[@yoda5436]

even this comment did prepare me for how disgustingly bad the weekends acting is

[@Messwithmitchie]

I had to shower after watching the show

[@mina_rdhd]

I'm generally not for bullying, but I think we should all collectively bully the Weeknd into never acting again

[@00s.v.n.s00]

I agree 100%.

[@rosenars6665]

Mmhmm

[@rubykgarrett]

bully hbo to take this shit down too. sam levinson deserves no money for this monstrosity.

[@Natinaatt]

Damn dude you are really mad about it .the weeknd Still a millonare do you think he cares about your bully? Lol sit down

[@RandomSwiftie13]

As The Weekend's casual music fan. I fully agree. He is fully ruining his own image.

[@LeonardoDiCapri-Sun]

I still get irrationally irritated when I remember some of The Weeknd’s stupid ass lines. ‘Make that throat wet for me’ bruh what do you mean?? Throats are wet already… It makes sense to say make that finger wet for me but why would sucking your finger make your throat wet? The math ain’t mathing!!!

[@NicoleRafiee]

LMAOOOO

[@archiieved]

Sucking causes more production of saliva (salivary glands in action) . Yes mucus is already present in the throat but increase saliva does make the throat "wet" since they are about to engage in oral. (im just clarifying what the thought process could have been😅). The delivery is bad and cringe but there's some sense being it.

[@ClaireCraig]

when your gag reflex goes the saliva gets thicker and you produce more of it... sorry that's gross lol but that's what that means

[@platypus2141]

​@@archiievedbruh

[@brittanycsoke]

i read somewhere that he was method acting so it explains why the lines were garbage

[@shkx.33]

why do i feel like this show belongs in 2013-2015 when the internet was corrupting young minds with lolita and anorexia and lana del rey glorification and making us all believe we couldnt experience sexual pleasure without getting hurt and calling everyone daddy.

[@shkx.33]

i also feel like the weeknd is raw dogging his lines.

[@starz16969]

i get your point but i don’t get is the anorexia part, why we commenting on her body

[@kookykiddo]

@@starz16969 they did not comment on her body. They said this show belonged in that era, which it completely does.

[@shkx.33]

@@starz16969 no no that comment wasn’t directed at her body. It was directed at the time when pro Ana was romanticized, I was just being specific to that time period. I don’t see EDs in this show but I won’t be surprised if it’s written in tbh.

[@lilyofthevaIIey]

that's quite literally what's going on with teens on tiktok rn... no shame in enjoying lana's music or reading lolita (critically) but these people are so, so young to be consuming this things

[@DaniMra12]

"Mental illness is sexy", and of course Sam had to write this line and put it into a woman's mouth, how coward 😂😂 Same thing about the intimacy coordenator

[@jorjorbanks8876]

IK like.....

[@Zectifin]

I could see this line being a criticism of our current media culture, if they do something with it and do it right. Doubt they will though, so it either comes across as failed criticism or glorifying this attitude.

[@CE98]

@@Zectifin nah anything that they create is glorifying it. They love women who don't take care of themselves or have positive role models who steer them away from shows like this - otherwise they wouldn't sign on for projects like these.

[@lunapop7320]

I could care less about 'The Idol', but the comments on rape and Epstein's island are absolutely disgusting. My respect for everyone in the show has gone down.

[@irisv6786]

right? that Epstein island line genuinely made me sick. who green lit that??

[@innermeetme]

@@irisv6786 Truly the demoralization of humanity right before our very eyes. I'm not a fan of earlier eras for many reasons (I'm thinking before the 90's and especially before the 60's), but I have to say, this is not showing an improvement in the human condition just because it pushes boundaries/isn't subject to the same morally-rigid barriers. Entertainment has always contained a disturbing shadow side, but it seems like this shadow side is just taking on a new face typified by extreme demoralization, anything goes, still favoring the abuse of humanity. If the entertainment of the 50's and earlier featured a pleasantville-ish pretense wherein everyone was happy and good to one another, the complete opposite is apparently okay now. I prefer a heart-centered tackling of issues -- this show is trash and doesn't shed light on anything.

[@Jas-rt3th]

@@DavidBorchert-iz6vy yes but hes the bad guy in a galactic empire.. its also sci fi, not making insensitive jokes about rape

[@areeba7045]

i havent watched it, what was the line??

[@theobubbles6874]

I agree, there are other ways to make a character unlikable and show that he is a piece of $hit. This was clearly written to shock people but came out so distasteful and vile... exploiting tragedy for a nasty joke

[@lids598]

i feel like the show did exactly what it was trying to criticize

[@Messwithmitchie]

Definitely

[@jo4oluc4s]

Is like that movie cuties of Netflix

[@SRHisntSilent]

Yesssss D'Angelo Wallace said that in a vid commentary on The Idol

[@kassromero7462]

I don’t think people are watching it for what it is… the shit they’re portraying has and will continue to happen in the industry and at varying scales. I’m not saying the show is amazing and praising it for portraying these dark truths BUT for anyone who’s really watched the show Succession and now truly understands the sheer power of the media powerhouses can now watch this show and see it for how disgustingly honest it is with the power that the “teams” behind artists wield and how it literally breaks down artists into objectively moldeable beings that they can profit off of…

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

​@@kassromero7462I watched Succession and you're full of cap

[@rachel5399]

I'm so glad all the commentators are talking about how gross, weird, and just uneccesary this show is. I hate the defense of, "don't watch it then!" People are rightfully allowed to not be happy with terrible productions, especially when they're paying for that service! HBO has never been free, and now with the world of streaming, us paying customers have a right to be upset at our money being wasted on terrible projects, especially when they cancel beloved shows, and with how many articles and interviews comes out with the cast and crew of those favored projects with people admitting that it was hard to get that show up and running, with how hesitant executives were. They just want porn, and it's so gross. Give us real stories, and find some actual actors! Not just "stannable" people. Please!

[@wiiplaya25]

I’m upset about the last two seasons of GOT which is collectively hated and even garnering a petition to be re-written, so am I gonna get a refund? Are they getting slandered for it?

[@rachel5399]

@@wiiplaya25 I'm a little confused by your comment, forgive me. But, I absolutely despised the last season. I was very let down by the uneccasry rush, especially given that they had the biggest television show in history in terms of popularity and numbers. It could've very easily ran for probably 2-3 more seasons, given how high stakes and mythical/political the genre is, and how many characters around the entire fictional world, that there were. All to just greenlight like 3 spinoffs, one of them canceled before production even started. But, your comment seems to be a little aggressive, and I'm not sure to whom. David and Dan, who got signed to go to some Star Wars production, and the head writers of bringing GoT to life on screen, absolutely got slandered for the disappointing end that they subjected the show to. If that's who you are asking about. Fans everywhere, and still to this day, fume over the left over loose ends and unsatisfactory endings. Overall, I think I can find some common ground within your comment, that ties back to my original point. That being, that companies need to start understanding what an audience wants and needs to keep up with a good story. Stories should be full of life and characters of all types that deserve fruitful and colorful writing to enrich their tastes, relationships, and emotions, and such quality should be kept from the first episdoe, all the way to the last. I'm confused because your refund comment seems to agree with my point, that our money should be more wisely and intuitively used to create better content, but I vividly remember people direct a lot of anger to everyone involved within the endings of the series, some were even upset at the actors, theorizing that they advocated for the show to end so they could focus on other projects.

[@zahrakamel1267]

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[@abigailelizabeth4655]

Honestly!!! Like if I am paying for a tv service I have a right to voice my VALID opinion about a show on there especially if it makes me uncomfortable. Honestly I haven’t seen this show and this is my first time actually hearing what it’s about (and not just seeing a promo picture) but even from this video I can already tell it would have irritated tf out of me. Plus ppl are allowed to be concerned when this is a show that could potentially harm young women and teens. It’s like the Lolita thing all over again where preteens are gonna see it and take it seriously and next thing you know it’s gonna be popping up on tumblr or whatever site “emo sad girls” use now adays. No hate I mean i was one of them back in the day and even had 100,000 followers on tumble till my parents made me delete it but that doesn’t mean I can’t recognize how toxic and harmful the romanticization of unhealthy habits and relationships is especially toward young girls. The whole romanticizing killing yourself shit is a factor that led to me being addicted to pills my the time I was 15 and shooting heroin by the time i was 18 and ultimately fucked my life and my health up beyond repair.

[@lindseysanders3656]

Companies don’t care about the customers anymore. They do what they want. And if they do side with the customers, it’s usually being too lenient and them getting away with murder, so to speak. In the entertainment industry, I hear “artists” say all the time, it’s my “ truth” and” I don’t care what people think”, or what Abel said about this show” it’s supposed to piss people off”. As a person who grew up performing, and many times in front of an audience, you care very much about people enjoying or taking something from the performance. These people are all about themselves and their sick, twisted fetishes. There is a huge narcissism epidemic in this world.

[@KhayJayArt]

We need to BAN Sam Levinson from making shows with female characters.

[@emeryjem]

Honestly just making shows in general...

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Just ban Sam Levinson from talking to women in general.

[@mudsywudsy]

28:45 this is the most frustrating part because The Idol could have been so interesting! Amy Seimetz wanted the show to be “a series that reflected the sexual exploitation and objectification of women”. she wanted it to be about a woman’s experience in the music industry and all the shady stuff that happens, but when she left Sam Levinson turned it into another show that contributed to that shady stuff in real life. he literally subjected the cast and crew to everything that Amy Seimetz wanted to expose as being harmful. this whole situation is so ridiculous and i can’t believe this shit is real, it would be funny if it wasn’t so disgusting.

[@MrJayfreeable]

The main character is still getting exploited. From different people in the show though.

[@CreatureCargaux]

100% when I first heard about this show I was so stoked. But yeah… they really scrapped a plot that would have made this show great.

[@rachel5399]

It's the same thing with Euphoria. Iffy plot aside, it raises questions and conversations, but most of those questions stem from the show's ease of showing such graphic and excessive nudity, and not from the actual fictional aspect, like it supposedly helps exist to serve. More inquiries are made about the show even being made and exisiting so asscessibly and so recklessly. The contents are so worried about being more about shock value than actually showing what needs to be shown to be more realistic and interesting. After a while of a character self sabotaging themselves and their real relationships with other characters, how do you expect an audience to give a shit? They go too above and beyond with some developments of both plot and character, again, for that shock value, that when you have to finish the rest of the plot point, it's just...not there, because they never truly had a long term plan for anything. It exists for social media. "Oh, this will get them talking! This is provocative and edgy." ...and then the plot and likability of your characters suffer so much because they're forced to exist in a world with no substance, just colorful visuals and shots, to keep our short attention spans entertained long enough to not see how severely lacking the content is in various elements. But. I digress.

[@timalovesyall3886]

I wonder how the show would have ended up looking like if we got to see what Amy had in mind. I feel like the show would have been amazing and people would have loved it more than what Sam and the Weekend chose to do in the end.

[@KatieCarpenter2014]

this exactly, thank you

[@nikitashutup-]

I still can't believe that they picked Jocelyn as the name of a worldwide pop star. it's just such an un-catchy name. Nicki Nasty main pop girl when.

[@meganballi7305]

well women cant be interesting, according to the weekend

[@jocelyncheng6194]

damn

[@CreatureCargaux]

The Weeknd really went into this show thinking that he was going to win awards for his role… like you just KNOW he treated this like this was going to blow everyone’s mind & launch him into the acting world with a bang…. I mean, I guess he got that part right. Just maybe not the bang he was hoping for.

[@daisykisses8803]

I mean, you’re saying what we’re all thinking😂

[@byejesper]

you know how in adult films the plot is just pure nonsense? this is exactly what the idol feels like it has to have plot otherwise is just the adult portion 🤡

[@paimonspie8913]

This but while there are wild crazy jokes in adult films, they don’t go this far and make fun of children who were famously assaulted

[@rosenars6665]

@@paimonspie8913yeah my jaw was on the floor. It wasn’t funny and it was disgusting that they thought it would be funny.

[@gables7099]

if you told me that the weekend made this show just to convince everyone that he was good at sex id believe you

[@astranova1674]

If anything this show does the opposite. I wanted to vomit at that one line

[@cee1456]

He looks so creepy in those scenes tho like who would find this fugly dude sexually appealing

[@eurekamreum5458]

And he's failing miserably

[@toriyt2714]

😂😂😂 it’s coming off as that.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

This is just some weird store brand Fifty Shades of Grey but somehow even worse.

[@witabif]

nicole describing a sex scene as "treacherous" is life changing

[@CreatureCargaux]

THE BUDGET FOR THIS SHOW WAS RIDICULOUS & YET THEY COULDNT SPRING FOR A BETTER WIG FOR THE WEEKND? OR HOW ABOUT NO WIG AT ALL! I don’t understand! whoever designed his character literally said “I want to ruin his career & make sure that everyone wants to vomit every time he’s on screen!”

[@missti9012]

I know!!! His performance becomes extra laughable because of the wig, like it’s already really bad but the wig takes it to a whole different level…😂😂😂

[@amiee5081]

💀💀💀💀💀lmao

[@amiee5081]

I think you've sleuthed out the conspiracy LMAO

[@juggalofidelia5926]

Yea I’m actually starting to think Sam levinson is having fun ridiculing and ostracizing The Weeknd and depp

[@jikaarthou]

😂😂😂😭

[@kkat42069]

The intimacy coordinator part is actually so blood chilling and weird

[@selenesspoilers6006]

I hated when lily’s character was talking about the Weekends character and she said “she likes his rapey vibes.” Excuse me? Why would a woman say she liked that?! I hate this show

[@Messy320]

You already know there are gonna be creepy dudes using that line to their advantage ☠️

[@selenesspoilers6006]

@@Messy320 I don’t even want to think about it

[@imnicolevilla]

The weekend and Sam are the perfect creative dumpster fire of chaos

[@AidenXOTWOD]

Abel when making music: LET HIM COOK! 🔥🔥 Abel when making TV: GET HIM OUT OF THE KITCHEN 🔥🔥

[@syriannam]

I'VE BEEN BINGING EVERY "THE IDOL" VIDEO... I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS OMG

[@folddealfeal2740]

Same girl, this isthe best pile on ever lol. This show is sooooo awuful

[@elllie3630]

omg same idk I just find it fun

[@shekwaga]

Me too!

[@rubykgarrett]

same i love hating something then watching a ton of other people hate on the same thing

[@tripodologia]

Really, someone in the BDSM community needs to talk about what an outdated, backwards representation of SM and power-dynamic relationships this is... not with the old stereotype all over again that women that are into rough sex or SM are into it because of childhood trauma. Let's be real, even if this show is 18+ there is going to be a wave of young people watching this that are going to think that one can just assume that women enjoy to be treated this way, with no discussion of boundaries whatsoever. It's just an old and rusty BDSM cliché as old as time, and The Weeknd couldn't come across as a dom even if he took 20 years of acting lessons.

[@pabloescobarschanclas]

dude gives vibes that he is the worst lay and has to overcompensate for it in his music and bullshit “projects” like this lmao.

[@jewelvex]

As someone who is a part of this community, the fact that the mainstream rep of bdsm (*cough* 50 shades *cough*) is so fucking toxic is painful. This is so many people’s intro to kinky sex and it’s not even in the same continent as healthy bdsm pisses me off. If any of the writers did a lick of research they’d at least include the FRIES model of consent. Bare minimum. It fucking sucks and it’s such a warm and comfy community in general - we want people to enjoy sex and be safe about it, not to abuse women and feed the toxic male fantasies.

[@Exmuslim_caffeine]

fr i saw a women commenting that this is bdsm 💀💀💀💀

[@QuinnQuell-yt3zm]

Love your comment. I hate the misstreating of women and just doing stuff without asking for consent in po*n and movies. Women are not there to pleasure you and push your ego. There are humans with own desires and wishes. And this portrayal that they just get pleasure out of being misstreated has a bad affect on people in the real world who feel encouraged to treat women the same.

[@yanavav]

As someone who's been apart of the community for a few years, this is not BDSM or adjacent whatsoever. BDSM scenes and relationships are built on communication, trust, consent, sanity, care, sometimes even love, and mutual interest. This show, along with countless other media portrayals of kink-type set relationships is the complete opposite. It's built on manipulation and deciept and I would consider it to be borderline rape if not harassment. Its the fetishization of people who are dedicated to this 'art' and it humiliates us by categorizing us into something that is criminal. Quite frankly, am I surprised? No. Am I pissed off? Yes.

[@nbelferzwaiman]

The thing that's a bit horrifying and what isn't talked a lot about in the industry is that many of these people (And probably LRD) signed on to the first version of this project. The dark look at the music industry that was female focused and empowering. They got locked into a contracts and they watched the project they were excited about turn into the exact opposite thing. It takes a lot of money to leave one of these Hollywood contracts (millions, if you're one of the leads or a big name). Then people like LRD are essentially blackmailed or contractually obligated to talk about how respected they felt, and what a comfortable environment it was, how amazing Sam Levinson and the The Weeknd were. It's like a hostage situation for a series that maybe (probably) exploited you. It doesn't sound like respecting women, boundaries and consent is a think these men particularly value however you want to spin it. The crew who didn't originally consent to doing this version and who (it sounds like) didn't really want this version are being forced to put time, energy and labour into a product that is exactly what they did not want.

[@norr7283]

​@@youtubesupportsfascismhas she done something like this bef?

[@lDaNu]

She's on Sam's side though, even praising him

[@hvnnnnnke3376]

Yesss it must be overwhelming to the whole cast , also don’t you think that there is a Pedophilia references there ? I got uncomfortable watching the second episode when sozanna son acting like a child it was horrifying to watch and how they chose her little body to get naked and her facial expressions while trying on jocelyn clothes HERRRR scene and behavior to me was disgusting to watch while listening to The Weeknd’s background saying ‘Even though it's wrong It's wrong” if you you just rewatch how she acted like a 12 years old girl that she’s controlled by The Weeknd’s there’s more than women being humiliated by men messages in there its a trashy show what do u think !

[@nbelferzwaiman]

@@lDaNu that’s part of it. It’s definitely possible that she totally agrees with Sam, she’s made some super dodgy comments in the past about nepotism and her dad etc, I’m not a fan, but that statement was one hundred percent created by Sam/ HBO as a PR statement to curtail chat and speculations about the article. She could believe that, but she’s also under contract to promote and defend the show. She’s the star. She can’t say ‘this was degrading and I felt unsafe and terrible the whole time.’

[@lDaNu]

@@nbelferzwaiman That's true, but calling him the "best director she had ever worken with" and "Never felt more supported or respected" is a bit too much in my point of view, specially considering that she's not exactly a background-less actress. I doubt that Sam or HBO could do much against her had she made a lukewarm statement.

[@mjewrites]

In the hands of a competent writer, the “mental illness is sexy” line could have been explored to comment on how mental illness is romanticized in the media, especially when dealing with conventionally attractive young women. But it’s Sam Levinson, so.

[@bbydoll1999]

good point because i took that scene as a satirical play on how people act in the industry, that’s honestly how i took most of the show, but tbh sam levinson probably isn’t capable of that depth

[@mjewrites]

@@bbydoll1999I definitely think they were aiming for satire with that line and a lot of other aspects of the show but lacked the exploration and depth behind it.

[@bbydoll1999]

@@mjewrites yeah they get too distracted sexualizing the main character just like in euphoria. it’s a shame because these projects have so much potential

[@HVanda06]

You cant change my mind on this, euphoria was only popular because of the talented actresses, the makeup artista and the stylist. Not the writing or because of this dumb director. If euphoria didn't have so much aesthetic appeal nobody would be saying good things about IT.

[@jedwuthun]

preach, though i would say zendaya's plotline is pretty good and compelling and i think it has a lot to do with the director being a former addict himself. but for all the other plotlines and for the idol, he's still a clown though lol

[@krisgrym]

Euphoria is a good show

[@lisamariee260]

the cinematography/visuals and the soundtrack also helped add to euphorias aesthetic appeal but besides that it’s mediocre at best

[@amy_bb]

What I found extremely annoying about this show is how they would have conversations about these iconic artists like Prince, Donna Summers and Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin, and talk about them being against commercial music and what not, only for them (Jocelyn and Tedros) to literally create the most basic, tiktoky songs ever.

[@fh_yom]

To be honest the real Prince wouldn't tolerate anyone using his name that freely on a show that hasn't lasted for more than 2 season or touched his own audience back then a show like that would have been like Family Matters or almost everything off of UPN 20 and back then on the show called Good Times

[@toriyt2714]

The irony. I don’t know if it’s on purpose or they prob didn’t even realize it.

[@daisykisses8803]

Fr! I don’t like hating on the show, but we got to be real, the music was not hitting like they think it was.

[@CE98]

it made me cringe into my own skin, it feels like the equivalent of buying a tshirt with a band name on it at urban outfitters and not knowing any of their songs. Like you're telling me you're a fan of Led Zeppelin and then proceed to make music like that? I can't wrap my head around not drawing any inspiration from these bands you happen to be fans of.

[@Thepeanutcollector]

@@CE98like can we at least get a good song out of this show?

[@merryull]

it was also so annoying how they tried to do a “twist” with jennie’s character but we were not given reason enough to care about her relationship to joss so it made no sense, like the plot is so inconsistent

[@moalofvenberg6870]

Fr she was only there to sit and look pretty, only for appeal kpop stans

[@charlotte8765]

the holy trinity has covered this show. nicole, d’angelo and nick. i think we should take this as a sign.

[@mariellebosco]

+ itzkeisha, imurgency, Aaron & jo and so many more.... that doesn't just happen out of nowhere

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Who is Nicole and Nick? What's their channel name?

[@kuromi9417]

@@RandomSwiftie13the channel you are on now is nicole’s channel

[@RandomSwiftie13]

@@kuromi9417 Oh OMG my bad.. 🤦🏽‍♀

[@hannah_rae9227]

The way you describe The Weekend smelling/being a moldy, wet towel is EXACTLY how I see him normally, not just in the show

[@clandestinecoherence]

so many naked women, but no male nudity, like…we know who this show is made for

[@Thepeanutcollector]

Like how are the guys having sex with their clothes fully on?

[@jaminavestajugo3456]

The mental illness angle had some potential. There is the manager calling mental illness "sexy," but handling it badly when Jocelyn shows actual symptoms of mental illness.

[@Zectifin]

the intimidation scene feels like the weeknd has a napoleon complex and he wanted to have a chance to intimidate someone much taller than him that he couldn't do in real life.

[@blacksheepmadeinspain9246]

The thing is...does he achieve his goal? Does he intimidate sb? Honestly, he seems a poor guy trying to be bad, as an actor he lets a lot to be desired...

[@hipposnort82]

the most chilling thing a man has ever told me was "you're starting to see yourself the way i see you" and after watching the idol i feel like lily rose depp's character was what he was trying to project onto me. the characterization of her character is genuinely disgusting and basically the fantasy of groomers, rapists and abusive men.

[@daisykisses8803]

Yeah. Which makes sense why it’s mostly men defending this show, saying that people are being too “critical” and that there’s “a deeper meaning” to the story. And maybe there is, but that clearly wasn’t the case for Sam’s version of the writing .

[@mst3kharris]

My ex once told me, “I don’t love you for who you are, I love you for who you could be,” and it’s stuck with me all these years.

[@krisgrym]

​@@mst3kharrisin a good or bad way?

[@mst3kharris]

@@krisgrym since he was trying to push me into his ideas and fantasies, I’d say bad.

[@krisgrym]

@@mst3kharris What ideas/fantasies he had if may I ask?

[@bees.857]

When he cuts the scarf by her mouth he says 'Now you can sing' which is worse than 'now you can breathe' because he told her she can't sing about being a freak without actually being a freak. Everything that comes out of that character's mouth is horrifying.

[@nashayabartolo5405]

Also, if Tedros “knows so much about music,” where is any of his music?? What are his credentials other than having a cult of aspiring artists who haven’t put any music out?? Jocelyn literally didn’t even ask, and she got close when she said in episode 3 that she has more experience in the music business than him.

[@wiiplaya25]

They stated in post episode discussions that Tedros is the man who has all the visions and goals but NONE of the talent

[@blacksheepmadeinspain9246]

The dialogues are contradictory...at a point... Jocelyn tells him...he is the new one in the industry whereas she has years of experience...why on Earth is she asking him for advice??? Who knows!!! Silly nonsense

[@chloerowitz7547]

Every clip I have seen from this show makes me feel like I’m having an out of body experience

[@RandomSwiftie13]

You luckily haven't even seen the sex scenes that the youtubers can't show clips of but they are so so much more worse...bad p0rn stars could do it better..

[@penthousewhippit]

The way I'd kill to see the Amy version...also, yeah the most riverting parts of euphoria were the honest ones...her fighting with her mom, running away, harming herself and her sister beyond repair. No tits necessary

[@senpaijecho]

It's so sad that this show was supposed to show the horrors of star exploitation. Plus, Jocelyn had a HUGE potential to be a very interesting character that a lot of ppl could connect and sympathize with, but instead, she feels like a sex doll that has a little bit of trauma sprinkled in just to make her more interesting. I hope that Amy or any other female director picks up this idea and makes it into what it's supposed to be.

[@sabinaboisineau4827]

I don’t know if anyone’s pointed this out, I only watched ep 3 cuz I wanted to form my own opinion as well after seeing reviews. But the way they talked about no one interfering w Joss’s abuse was completely undermined by the fact Jocelyn watched ted-gross slap an employee in the face in her house and SHE SAID NOTHING. So both she and red-gross don’t have a leg to stand on when he’s walking around bitch slapping people with 0 consequences. There is actually 0 character development and this show is clearly an incoherent music video spliced with soft core porn

[@AutumnOddity]

omg THANK U I had the same thought about Joslyn's name like... to me it has ZERO star quality?? It's like trying to make MARGARET or ESTHER or RUTH a pop star name

[@beachdeath632]

kinda love esther ngl but yeah it definitely does not have that pop star quality

[@nashayabartolo5405]

I’ve left every episode wondering what the point was. It’s so clear that The Weekend’s character was shoved into this script and everything was molded around it. If the point is to be a satire on Hollywood politics and celebrity identity, that could’ve been expressed in the first episode without Tedros. None of these characters have any personality and it’s really unclear whether Sam Levinson is writing ironically or if there’s any truth to the way he’s depicting any of these characters.

[@dillpickle663]

My art teacher explained nudity vs naked. Naked is raw and emotional, like feeling naked when you’re nervous or sad. Nudity is for shock or to make a point.

[@sahelahajani7236]

the hospital wrist band shoot is based on true events .i remember linsay lohan did a fashion shoot with her wrist bands for either elle or vogue when i was teen .

[@jikaarthou]

I think Selena also had a music video clip with that, too

[@margoalex.]

I will never not be bitter about the fact that this all happened right after I started getting into The Weeknd’s music because I was obsessed with his Halloween Horror Nights house and thought it was a smart satire about the horrors of fame and fortune 👁️👄👁️

[@isabelleb-l2699]

I think I especially lose so much respect for actors who choose to be in shows like this and like I get that it's a job but I don't believe that Lily-Rose Depp has any issues with money... Like how can you feel okay promoting ideas like this that are truly messed up in many ways... Edit: I did not realize the og script and concept was as different as the one that was finally produced, I thought the actors had full knowledge of what they were getting into

[@astranova1674]

To be fair, she signed up for the original female empowerment version of this show. Hollywood contracts do exist

[@morguegal]

y’all know nothing about legally binding contracts and and it shows😭

[@isabelleb-l2699]

@@astranova1674 I didn't realize that the original concept was so different, I was also wondering why people like Troye Sivan and Dan Levy would participate in such a project. I still don't respect The Weeknd though...

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Dude the HBO contracts are hard to get out of! They would have been in a million dollar lawsuit with HBO and their entire career ruined if they tried to leave. The actors at that point would prefer to just be in a bad show and make money rather than be in a massive lawsuit losing millions.

[@krisgrym]

​@deszufor example?

[@versversa8083]

the fact that we got one scene in three episodes where joss is telling her own perspective is just so sad (where she talks by the window)...literally the only scene I could feel something

[@idilkaraali]

this show is like if a porn director thought "there was more to him as an artist" lmao

[@kathrynmilewski]

Nicole to the rescue spilling the tea that needed to be spilled. 👏

[@lifewithdalilahh]

made for a man is the best way to describe it. also, don’t know why sam would make this after all the criticism euphoria got with the sexualization with Sweeney.

[@simon_777]

I wish I lived in the timeline in which Amy Seimetz didn't leave the show.

[@regular.decision]

my roommate and i staying up until 1am ranting about this show with the exact same takes u mentioned like i cant understand nor fathom how this show got greenlit

[@kittenmitten7360]

glad I wasn't the only one looking around the room at no one else wondering if I was missing something during this entire "show"

[@DariaElGrellPozina]

20:50 I have a feeling that that's what the original showrunner wanted, but then the Weekend and Levinson decided to metaphorically deepthroat each other with what they turned the show into 🤡

[@marthie7103]

Ive already watched a couple of reviews of the show and i feel like you were the first person ive seen to actually talk about lily rose depp's character instead of just the weeknd so thank you for that

[@victorcraraujo]

Absolutely. I'd love to see this show under Jocelyn's perpective and absolutely NONE of The Weeknd and Sam Levinson's crap. Lost potential

[@xtrastrengthsassx1269]

With that scene with The Weeknd’s character cursing out that one guy in the luxury store, I read a comment on Reddit saying he was “doing the bootyhole lips, and shit”, and I DIE laughing about it every time I watch that scene now

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Let's not give Sam Levinson the credit for euphoria's cinematography because that credit belongs to all the cinematographers and make up artists and actors + season 1 euphoria is actually based on a different show called The euphoria (different country, different language, same story that was not written my Sam Levinson) Sam is just a nepo baby who ruined euphoria season 2 with his terrible writing and then this show.

[@krisgrym]

True, the original show is from Israel

[@alfurbet]

WHEN I TELL YOU I SPRINTED OVER HERE WHEN I SAW YOU POSTED p.s. thank you very much for inventing denmark and by extension me for your origin story

[@NicoleRafiee]

proud to have invented denmark ❤️

[@whatisthissupposedtobe]

the tattoo says "life is war" 🙏 (this video was so entertaining to watch, i really agree with the whole celebs being fake celebs in shows. it just takes away the whole interest bc the show is forcing people to believe that the celeb is someone different but you can't help but think they're the actual celeb 😭)

[@emily3elizabeth730]

I’m a big fan of The Weeknd, so I was excited when I heard he’s making a show. I watched the first episode and had the exact same thoughts as you.

[@annamaleficent]

Same...

[@juliakacala8204]

What’s scary is that there will for sure be younger people/younger teens watching this show (who shouldn’t be, obviously) and they’re so easily influenced and might understand the actions portrayed as ‘okay’ because they will be looking up to celebrities who thrive on the attention they get from their audience 🤷🏼‍♀️🫤 I feel terrible for Lily Rose Depp aswell

[@JNDReacts]

10:13 I heard a rumor that this is exactly how he feels about intimacy coordinators. Allegedly he got pissed at the intimacy coordinator on the Euphoria set for enforcing the nudity riders and would try to lock them out of the set.

[@risxra]

I went to high school with Rachel Sennott and I completely forget that she’s doing Big Hollywood Things until I get randomly jumpscared by her on commentary KZbin lmao

[@kaiipop4762]

Now I can’t listen to any of The Weeknd’s music without Tedros popping up in my head 😭😭

[@lornatw]

Very what I'd imagine an old school toxic-tumblr 'french girl' vibes to be for sure. 🌷

[@lornatw]

Also I wonder how much is actually a satire of genuine people and situations they have seen in the very inner celebrity world 🤷🏾‍♀️ just wish there was either an outline of what the shows meant to be if a satire say so if it's actually to show problems then could have been addressed better within the show in very tasteful ways.

[@hannahlax38]

The fact that the original idea of this show was supposed to be about how the music industry takes advantage of young women and forces them to do overly sexual things to become more popular and how it's all the music industries fault. And then when Sam Levinson and The Weeknd got a hold of it and turned it into the complete opposite and made the woman the villain baffles me. Like they did the exact thing that the original show was supposed to be about, but in real life. Like what?!?

[@umokay5516]

What I’ll never forgive, is Sam Levinson backburning Euphoria to make this garbage and because of that detour, we lost a third season with Angus Cloud.

[@seraphina1724]

17:17 when the Purple Rain movie came out, Prince actually voiced concerns over the portrayal of abuse in the film. I think it was specifically from the father character more so than Prince's but still. Ironic

[@jamaisjeon]

this show is literally something straight out of wattpad with partial euphoria aesthetic 😭

[@babitferreira]

The fact they got Jennie Kim to do the show for the kpop hype and her fans are CHILDREN, it worries me so much

[@lemon9171]

The kids are also defending the show and praising it like they Praised lalisa

[@leavemealone322]

Jennie promoting this nasty show to her child fan base 🤢

[@femblvd3114]

Another thing I noticed is is that, they made Jocelyn’s mom similar to Jenette McCurdy’s mom then they threw on weird sexual things on there

[@funnymonkey4456]

My dear friend was on the crew for this show and said it was just so fucking emotionally taxing. She's trying to build a career and make money so she's not really in a position to turn down opportunities to work on these huge shows and I think the perspective of the people who have to shoot these things is really important. These are largely people in their early-mid 20's with very little agency in their careers and I remember her calling me when she was done with work one day and just being like "I'm so fucking tired of shooting the most disturbing and upsetting sex scenes over and over again." Also because of the major production issues and constant rewrites a lot of the crew was fully unaware of the content they were going to be subjected to and many of them thought they were signing onto a show written by a woman that was going to be about the exploitation of young women in Hollywood. Not only is this show exploiting the shit out of Lily-Rose in the name of "social commentary," they're exploiting the shit out of the very young crew that are trying to manage making a living in LA.

[@milk8370]

the fact such powerful names in the industry are in this show just makes this even worse considering they SAW the new script and decided to stay like thats just terrible i have NO respect for ANYONE in the show anymore

[@penthousewhippit]

To be fair, we don't know what type of contracts they had at the beginning of production. I'm sure at least a few of the rolling stone leaks were from actors who couldn't get out of their contracts

[@RandomSwiftie13]

You don't know how predatory the entertainment corporation contracts are and this is HBO we are talking about. It takes millions of dollars of lawsuits to get out of contracts like these. An actor would also get ruined by reputation and stop getting future jobs if they try to leave. The actors would rather be in a bad show than be in a massive lawsuit with HBO.

[@ellenevolyn_]

I believe most of them were included in the series before Abel's takeover... For example Jennie

[@iamgroot2810]

​@ellenopal88 Jennie joined after Sam Levinson took over. She likes his work. She said it herself.

[@ellenevolyn_]

@@iamgroot2810 she probably liked Euphoria as many of us, and from what I know, she was more interested in the first script.

[@littlenor]

YES IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS THANK YOU I LOVE YOU!

[@fiilluminati2500]

his dad also makes/made super uncomfortable sexual movies

[@byejesper]

i wonder if nate’s plot in euphoria says something about sam’s family dynamic

[@wiiplaya25]

@@byejesperspicy

[@julialidia3180]

everytime the weeknd delivered a line i remembered i was watching a show sorry to my man

[@Vici0]

The Weeknd going “grr 🥴” is now a core memory for me

[@ps1hagridoufofcharacter]

the scene of the weeknd threatening that guy looks and sounds like a sketch its so fucking funny

[@crabbycancer6767]

Sam Levinson is one of those guys who's like "this is art" and show pictures of the gender they're attracted to naked with their face covered

[@brayanvillanueva7527]

The only reason why Euphoria season 1 was good was because there were other writers, but for season 2 he just decided to not do that. On top of that, when Sam came out of nowhere to be the new director on The Idol, all of the crew members said that they would never want to work with him which says a lot!!!! At this point HBO should really give some flowers to other directors and not keep going down this Sam road.

[@leahr826]

i was literally just thinking, i wanna watch a nicole video, then this pops up 🤩thank u for ur service queen ❤‍🔥

[@josiestone1430]

i imagine sam levinson as the director played by Rami Malek in Bojack Horseman who’s like completely unhinged lmao

[@sneakykamon]

You know what’s really funny about the scene where Tedros threatened the guy in the store? It's that in the show’s universe, Tedros is still the same guy whose gf made him jerk off in the dressing room a few minutes later and the employee who he had just threatened knows this because everyone heard him in there while Jocelyn was chilling waiting for him to finish. So really, how exactly could anyone find Tedros intimidating after that?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gayu8695]

I know she was just playing a character, but “mental illness is sexy” might be the most nepobaby thing I’ve ever heard

[@thatissocrazyomg]

the weekend’s comment about the female perspective thing is such a red flag. such a gross comment. reason enough alone to not watch the show for so many people. the hairbrush thing i think would have literally traumatized me just to watch it. and the little intimidating curb stomp thing is so hilarious. i hope they were trying to be serious bc it just makes it that much more funny.

[@GrainneMhaol]

Showgirls. That's the vibe I'm getting from this show. The director wanted an excuse to make an attractive actress perform his personal fantasies under the guise of 'satire'.

[@jessatencia]

god knows i've been manifesting this one

[@capybarapenne]

Why does no one talk about Sam Levinson being a nepo baby, man’s dad literally directed Rain Man

[@Caeljharden]

When the show ends, I want the original director to make her version of the show that was scrapped, because I already know it would be 82847282 times better than Sam’s women-hating torture porn fantasy show we got. I mean the hairbrush scene was just… ridiculous. And sad because in that scene, Tedros is waiting for her by the fireplace, and for one brief hopeful second, I thought he was going to tell her to throw it into the fire as a symbolic cleansing… but then he just proceeded to beat the sh!t out of her with it while an audience of her peers just sit there watching. Ugh.

[@noelleanderko1292]

I cannot get over how bad the scene where The Weeknd creep „threatens“ the dude who looked at Jocelyn… like where they serious w this???

[@Ashesxox]

Omg your guitar in the background looks so cool (i just started learning and seeing that really gave me the motivation!)

[@billiecockman4143]

this is not just sam levinsons work, the weeknd is the co-creator and was the one wanting to make this lol

[@areyoulostbabygorl231]

i could listen to nicole talk about literally anything i think

[@witabif]

anyway, I'll always find it weird that, if they didn't want the show to be from the "female perspective", why didn't they just rewrite it to be about tedros? not that that would make it better but why even pretend the woman is the main when they clearly didn't want that?

[@Nanitamochi]

Fun fact 22:41 song is actually sampled after “taking in your sleep” by the Romantics. It’s a pretty good song

[@siobhanflanagan4339]

I did see a post where it was pointed out how Sam Levinson’s most sexualized and or abused characters always look a little like his mother ie. Sidney Sweeneys character and Lily Rose Depps character and I have to admit but yeah the girls do look a little like his mom…

[@akoifeesh1805]

We need a Jennette Mccurdy directed series about women in show business because tbh that would be great

[@user-gw2vz1kw3c]

I've been seeing so much stuff about the show on just about every social media app I use regularly and from this video I honestly can't understand how Levinson or the Weeknd couldn't have seen this criticism coming. The show was supposed to be about this pop star who is being exploited by her management and the people around her, mostly by giving her a false sense of empowerment from showing nudity and it is to an extent. However they couldn't have gone about it in a worser way. The "love interest" is an asshole who we spend way too much time looking at do insane shit to everyone around him which in turn takes the attention off of the original plot of the show. (which is actually quite interesting when you take out the poor acting choices and terrible pacing) The most ironic thing about the show is how hypocritical it is. You even said it feels like an SNL skit and that's because Levinson is accidentally parodying himself! Her whole thing about empowerment through nakedness but it actually being exploitation is shown throughout the show in an alright way but then they take all that nuance back by having Joselyn's actor walk around half naked for NO REASON. Its so mind boggling how they haven't addressed their insane hypocrisy.

[@wyaakk]

not a fucking chance would fiona apple have allowed that use of the song criminal if she had known the context or lack of nuance to it. oh my god