Why the CFMOTO 450NK Might Surprise You

[@spitescorner]

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[@marcusgeorge1825]

@@spitescorner Being a proud Australian, it’s great to see what started out as a couple of Australian motorbike enthusiasts, for the Australian market, now being highly regarded as the best in class when it comes to phone mounting and case security that’s second to none. As I’ve been using these for a couple of decades now.

[@SHSPVR]

Hey spike the reason why you want a bigger bike like a 650 because of the extra weight which helped keep you planted to road especially when big trucks go by or fast cross wind and by the way you're on an interstate or freeway that not a highway

[@marcusgeorge1825]

@@SHSPVR On a naked the cross winds aren’t any significant reason for a 650 class. Fully faired and that becomes worse regardless of weight.

[@SHSPVR]

@@marcusgeorge1825 sorry I going have to disagree with you on that one I've been writing motorcycles for 45 years and I'm currently riding ZX4RR she maybe only a 400cc but she is fastest snort and much more stable than the 400cc parallel twins and yes I riding the 650cc as well for 2 years

[@AurelianoRivera]

you forgot the other type of viewers: the ones that already have a CFmoto, and are happy that you also recognize the brand!!! ;-) for the record, i have a CFmoto 700MT and a Ducati Multistrada, and they definitely complement each other.

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

The best beginner bike is the one thats already been dropped on Facebook marketplaces that you can afford

[@SummitCoyote]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 nah because that thing has been abused I'm probably going to spend more time being worked on than actually ridden. that's the issue with buying used for a new rider. most aren't really all that proficient with the mechanical side of it yet and they're not really sure what to look for when buying a used bike. so new is easier. Warranties are nice to have too. another thing is that when I bought mine, I was looking at used motorcycles but used bikes were selling for the same prices a new one because dealerships weren't stalking these beginner bikes in the showroom and so there was a shortage of new bikes and the price of used bikes skyrocketed. there were 5yo beginner bikes going for above MSRP for a new one lol.

[@aussiebloke609]

Yeah. The last thing I'd recommend for a complete beginner is anything new - there's going to be some expensive lessons learned.

[@SummitCoyote]

yeah until a beginner buys a crap bike that is going to be in the garage being worked on more than being actually ridden. beginners don't know what to even look for with a used bike or what is a good deal. sure there may be a few hidden gems on marketplace or whatever But they're surrounded by overpriced garbage you have to sift through. There's something to be said for warranty as well. My first bike was new. I haven't dropped it and I've put 10,000 mi on it. I wouldn't trust 90% of what I see on Facebook marketplace.

[@SummitCoyote]

i apologize for that multi post... My phone spazzed out and it posted the same exact comment like six times lol

[@huskers1278]

​@SummitCoyote Great points dude. I bought a new BMW F900r and splurged for extra warranty which I ended up being at 5 years total on for $7999. The dealer gave me a great deal on it. I HAVE DROPPED IT THOUGH apparently kickstands don't work via Bluetooth (I forgot it). Only damage done was the clutch lever broke off and the shifter bent. I replaced the shifter with a nicer one which is adjustable and a nicer clutch lever and brake lever. Costs roughly $120 all in all and I learned a thing or two. Zero regrets

[@xXxTheStoicanatorxXx]

TL;DR For busy cities like London, a 450 is more than enough, the features and build quality of my 450SR are incredible. If anyone is thinking of downgrading, look no further! UK boy, I stepped down from a 2020 Fireblade SP to the 450 SR/450 SS after moving to London from a rural area, and I couldn't be happier!!!! I had the Fireblade for over 2 years, and living with it in London was a nightmare, and frankly very boring to ride. The vast majority of London now has a speed limit of 20mph, traffic everywhere is full of speed cameras and unmarked police cars, and pedos hiding in bushes with radar guns. So having a monster of a motorbike made no sense to me. Too busy working to take the bike out of London regularly, and even if I did manage to have some time off work to do it, by the time I'm outside crazy busy London my body is exhausted, and I can't enjoy a fun ride because I will be dreading the journey back home. People need to be realistic in their needs, my 450 SR is MOOOOOORE than plenty for my situation. Heck, our delivery riders use 50cc mopeds and they are the fastest guys through London! My 450 SR looks amazing, has brilliant tech, plenty of power and character, and is way more comfortable than the Fireblade. The build quality is better too! The Fireblade has very cheap feeling plastics, the fairings would rattle and squeak like crazy, and it wasn't just mine, go touch one at your local Honda dealership! The 450SR is way better built in my opinion, even all the buttons and switch gear feel better! Motorcycle theft is also something a lot of people need to consider. And again, the 450 SR has a built-in tracker, and even notifies me if someone dares to touch it! All through an app on your phone! The app also allows you to do a "health check" on your bike, alerting you of any issues, tracking your rides giving you scores on how dangerous you ride on a bunch of metrics such as hard acceleration or braking (great for parents who want to keep an eye on their children), and many more features. With the Fireblade I got NOTHING! IT DIDN'T EVEN SHOW ME HOW MUCH FUEL I HAD IN THE TANK! Obviously they are two very different machines, built for different purposes. The Fireblade was a complete monster and Hooligan, and made a novice rider like myself look like Rossi on the rare occasions I took it on track days. But this is why people need to be REALISTIC!!!! How often do you really have a chance to put such a beast through its paces?! All that bike has done for me was empty my wallet through high insurance and other operating costs, and more than likely made me infertile (the way such bikes heat your crotch up at a traffic light is insane, you have to keep it at 90mph to cool the engine down to comfortable levels). And don't kid yourselves saying you need a monster bike because you'll take it to a track day. You won't. You'll be too afraid to crash it as the repair costs will be insanely high. I have friends who daily 1000s but track 300s and 400s because of that very reason. Be realistic! For a lot of us, something like a Ninja 400 or cfmoto 450SR is more than enough. Even outside busy cities. Brilliant fun. And the CF Motos quality is way better than most big-boy brands in my opinion. And there is a lot of aftermarket support, you just need to look at Asian online marketplaces. The amount of mods you'll find there is MAD! Done 7,000 miles in 6 months and never had any issues with the bike. There is a recall, but that's for the T-box fitting where it will give you issues only if you live in extremely hot climates that can melt car bumpers! Not even worth looking at in climates like England's. Don't let things like that scare you. Read about brands like BMWs which had huge recalls because of their braking systems on their S1000Rs.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

this comment makes me very grateful to live in Texas. Do we even have speed cameras? I don't know, never heard of one here. We certainly only have 20mph speed limits for very brief periods in the morning and afternoon(school zones).

[@huskers1278]

​@@Jon-nz3dmIt's crazy reading all that and those people think they are "Free" lol. Nebraska here with zero cameras and cops generally don't care unless you are being a real nuisance/dangerous

[@PhilipHowson]

Also CFMoto much less desirable to thieves than a 2020 Fireblade and way cheaper to insure

[@marton_horvath]

I somehow have a hard time believing that anything chinese will be better quality than a well established Japanese brand. I do see however, a wave of motorcycle content creators talking about CF Moto bikes which likely means that they are being paid well by CF Moto to say all these nice things.

[@xXxTheStoicanatorxXx]

@marton_horvath if you can go to your local dealer and see for yourself. I was actually pissed off when I realised how much nicer and well put together the Chinese bike was compared to something over 4 times more expensive. Here in the UK most brands won't even allow you to test ride their bikes. Except for CFMoto. They have special demonstrators with local dealers

[@John_Ridley]

I had a CFMoto for about a year. As a bike I really enjoyed it, it was amazing fun for the money. And several of their other bikes are very tempting. HOWEVER I won't buy another bike that I can't buy a service manual for. As soon as CFMoto starts officially selling service manuals, either paper or PDF, they're back on my list.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

My CFMoto dealer Lake Cycle in Merrillville, IN. uploaded the 450SS service manual onto a memory stick for free back in January. I was there for the same thing. I wanted to order a service manual. She said if you get a memory stick you can have it at no charge.

[@AndyBlackburnart]

that's insanely bizarre to not get a manual in 2024 it makes it seem like anti-repair stuff and not a cost-savings measure when you could just download the manual from their existing website

[@GrimReaper333666]

@@AndyBlackburnart they have a ton of videos on how to do most things on the bike

[@InsaneLegenD756]

I've bought a 450 NK last week and it rips! The sound of the engine is one of the best i've heard on a stock 400 - 500cc motorcycle, hands down. This stock exhaust pops and bangs like crazy and I need to wear ear plugs when I rides this thing. The power down low is insane for an A2 powered bike. It is faster than my previous restriced Yamaha XJ6 (600cc 4 cilinder), so that says a lot. Top speed on the inscription paper says 112 mph (180 km/h), for the ones who are interested in it. The build quality is in the same ball park as my XJ6 and way better than my Ninja 300 was. I still have a 2022 Duke 125 (same chassis as the Duke 390) and the 450 NK beats it in build quality for sure. I'm 6 ft tall, +- 32 inch inseam and I fit perfectly on it. The tyres are CST Adreno As5; never heard of this brand and they look a lot like slics, but they give me a lot of confidence in the dry, so no worries there. The only downside at this moment is indeed the jerkyness while riding about 20 to 30 mph (about 30 km/h and 50km/h). You feel this thing wants to GO. A small tune will probably fix that. Other than that it is an amazing bike. Would recommend this over a new Duke 390 and z500 any day!

[@dontbanwarren]

That 500 SR Voom had it's price announced and it's no longer a want but a NEED.

[@loucas9608]

Whats the price Edit: wont it be for their domestic market only?

[@dontbanwarren]

@@loucas9608 At the moment it's listed for domestic only but that doesn't mean things can't change especially if the community demands it loud it enough

[@airgunbubba2505]

I saw that and was considering it as I grew up in the era of inline 4 600CC sport bikes, mid 90s, but then I saw that the 675SR-R comes out 2024 according to official release notes from CFMoto. Hopefully it will hit European and American markets this year too! A direct competitor to the Triumph Daytona 660. Oh baby it's a TRIPLE!

[@sharkdog111]

50 years old, been riding motorcycles since I was 12, currently own 2 Harleys. I test road this bike a few weeks ago at the MotoAmerica race at Laguna Seca. The most FUN I've had on a little bike like this since my used Yamaha 2stroke RZ350 back in the early 90's. That 450 ptwin is a banger of an engine, super fun to ride, and sounds great. For the price, if had room in my garage, I'd buy one in a heart beat.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

CFMOTO are here to stay. They have a budget that the likes of HD (as just one example) could only dream about and this is without the Chinese government being involved (like the US equivalent does by increasing import tariffs). Living in Australia, we don’t have the level of import tariffs as we don’t have an industry (voters) to protect. Plus being closer to mainland China the price we get these bikes is about 66% of what you pay in America which makes them even more attractive. Reliability? They have been in business longer than some watching this have been living so that area gets a tick. I purchased one, just to try nearly a decade ago and was shocked at how good it was considering the price. If you have never tried one then you really don’t have anything to back up your negative comments with. 🤔

[@I-Libertine]

Amen!

[@joesutherland225]

Exactly

[@0Turbox]

Wow, an Aussie who praises China. Short memory, eh, or just an egoist?

[@I-Libertine]

@@0Turbox wow, an online troll who makes a false binary! Low intelligence, or constipation?

[@joesutherland225]

@@0Turbox nope just a consumer looking for the best bang for the buck. Australian government caused the problem through theyre own actions.china said oh okay you want to fuck around do you lets find out.stupidity when simple diplomacy would have emiliorated or eliminated the problem.the old joke about a mouse crawling up an elephants leg with intent to rape is applicable and obvious to anyone with no skin in the game .China took America's pawn .

[@hvymax]

It really stinks that beginner bikes are scaled for 12yr olds. I still think the KLR is the perfect beginner bike for the 6'2"+ crowd.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

Hey, My CFMoto dealer Lake Cycle in Merrillville, IN has one 2024 800NK left and he is blowing it out the door for $1501. off list price. They are also a Honda Dealership

[@derekweaver5083]

Glad to hear you like the brand and that motor. I am definitely looking forward to CFMOTO sending their MT450 (I'm sure they will the US version Ibex450) our way!

[@TieuBachBach]

The brake caliper is j.juan (brembo owner). They do very good job and easy to maintain.

[@adamlanglois563]

It looks like a good little bike. I dig the style

[@burnttoast9890]

Aprilia rs457 laughing like mad in a dark corner

[@StevanM-cu8gp]

Unfortunately no one seems to be interested in this comment section.

[@Pete-ph8eb]

3hp down on the 450ss

[@burnttoast9890]

@@Pete-ph8eb these are beginner sport bikes , no one cares for 3 hp

[@TheFranpito]

the rs457 is not a naked bike. It´s a sports bike. 2 different public. Myself im a naked bike rider. And for the money, i dont think there is better option than the 450nk

[@burnttoast9890]

@@TheFranpito if there's an Rs, there will be a tuono as well .,...

[@Enlowra]

We're a CFmoto dealer in the ozarks, mainly SxS and ATV units. But we're also into motorcycle work/ sales. We've never had a CFmoto bike come in broken 🤷‍♂️ their SxS and ATV units are another story. But their bikes really do seem to be on point, even for the price.

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

Let's get you to a million subs Spite! Great video! I ride pretty much everyday to work. Thanks for being a great inspiration.

[@peterhutchinson4292]

Here in Australia I bought the 450 MT and couldn’t be happier

[@Romulus609]

What I don’t get is bikes that are $6k brand new are still $4k 4/5years old with 10k miles …????

[@drmitofit2673]

The manual says the spark plugs have to be replaced every 6,000 miles at the dealer. Has anyone replaced the plugs themselves with long life iridium plugs?

[@3089280288]

The best starter bike is a used one but CFM does work well with large feet.

[@ChristopherSiverling]

I'm a newer rider.....did my research and bought that bike. It is amazing!!!!!! Love it!!!!!! It's so stable on HWY, and looks fantastic!!!! Not to mention all the tech you get for the price. Assisted slipper clutch, traction control.... the TFT, being able to link your phone to it. No one in that class offers that. Owned the bike for about 3 months now and love it!!!!

[@donmanuel8917]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@g0fum]

I have the 800NK and i love it. Like you said CFMOTO has a great build quality and the app with the bike is a very decent bit of equipment, very well thought through. CFMOTO are definitely competing and i think they holding their own and doing very well. Any haters out there are only doing so because its Chinese and they are hating while writing comments on their all American iphone.......🤔 Oh wait the iPhone has Chinese built parts soooo....😂

[@DiveTrainerDan]

Also kind of interested in the CFmoto CLC 450.

[@brettcloud8550]

Hell yeah, keeping my eye on the release date for that. Such a sexy looking bike.

[@Skidz75]

Nothing wrong with the CFMOTO. Just not sure it’s the BEST beginner bike. But certainly at the top of the list.

[@tonywallace3380]

Don't forget the 3rd type of person watching this video: Those that just enjoy Spite talking about bikes. 🖐

[@brandonthomas4527]

I've put over 1000 miles/1700-1800km's on my 450sr at the time and ive got nothing but compliments, handles nicely, brakes even better and has plenty of bite for a beginner

[@Soulbreeze]

Been riding for a bit over 10 years now. Bought the 450NK at the beginning of this season. Love it so far! Sounds so damn good! Only negative up to this point is the seat sucks (I have both seats, the 'tall' seat is much better but still too much pressure on the taint).

[@bogier.8654]

Followed you Spite from way back in your gamer vid days. A person has to eat to make those ends meet. Kinda now...get'n a bit shillish. But hey Jake, you do you. ❤✌️

[@airgunbubba2505]

Saw CFMoto in title, here to praise. Absolutely love my 2023 CLX 700 Sport. TWO YEAR WARRANTY vs Big 4s 1 year limited...

[@LucasMartin-im5ub]

Hi there. It’d be nice if you got the Kovemoto 450rr on here. Another great Chinese bargain! It has 4 cylinders, same torque as this one but 24 more HP. I still think it’s a good beginner bike bc the HP needs high revs to be accessed so as long as you keep those low it should be very similar to this 450nk but I’d love to get your take since I’m just speculating. Also would be interesting getting your take on Kovemoto in general like you mentioned quality, reliability, service, support, resale value, etc. Great video btw!

[@sirhCmIorreH]

My only qualm in general is getting a new bike vs a used one. I know as a beginner ride I will probably drop it at least once. But once I'm more experience and wanting to get a new bike, I'm leaning towards CFMOTO.

[@josepinto2709]

Adoro essa moto, mas também da triumph speed 400! Qual será mais indicada para o dia a dia em cidade? Obrigado

[@soilsmanadv6673]

Not either of the first two. I want to ride a cf moto 450MT the 40 hp adventure bike. I just want to know when it is coming to the US?

[@CMB911]

I'm still loving my Ibex 800T after 1 year and 4400 miles!

[@tryan715]

I own a 2023 450ss. It’s my first bike and I love it

[@niospartan]

I might be moving and will likely be making a 100 round trip to get to work and the ibex 800 looks like a really good option as commuter with the options it comes with.

[@philgraves56]

It would be nice to know what RPMs it's doing at 70-75 mph. I'd like to see that info on all of the bikes you test. And, would it be able to haul my butt on a 235 mile interstate round trip to get a burger?

[@CkWilD]

Spite I started on the 650nk and love it as a beginner biker

[@simonkennedy6116]

If you're in Northern Ireland, Davy's Bikes is the CFMoto dealership. They have the cruiser version the CL-C 450 which I wonder what Spite's review would be

[@Atrip111]

I definitely think these are all intriguing especially the 450 Mt coming. However I've been partial and I like my Benelli's. I'm waiting on the Trk 702

[@theandrew999]

I used to work in the guitar manufacturing industry and there were a few Chinese companies trying to go up market and build great guitars. Eastman comes to mind, they were building stuff very close in quality to Martin. So I know there are Chinese manufacturers that want to build something the best they can. If they keep building good stuff with CFMoto and geopolitics don't get in the way hopefully the brand will gain loyalty.

[@adamwhite6797]

Im enjoying my '23 300nk. My only complaint for the 300nk is the lack of aftermarket parts like crash protection and whatnot

[@Shadow.Shot.Airsoft]

Crazy how this bike and the z500 and mt 03 is the ones im trying to decide on for first bike

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

CFMOTO has 22 models available here in Australia & 12 of them meet the restrictions for the learner legal market. And when they started selling motorcycles here in 2012 all of their bikes were learner legal. Plus most of their R&D & model announcements has been focused on smaller capacity motorcycles. With the remaining 10 models being 4 x 700 series & 6 x 800 series motorcycles it's pretty clear that their strategy is to primarily go after the entry level market while offering a token range of aspirational bikes for the early adopters & those ready to upgrade. Their bigger bikes have stonking engines & are fun to ride, but do we really need 3 versions of the 700 CL-X, 2 of the 800NK & 4 variations of the 800MT? Other than to hit various price points & puff up the numbers in the range I think the answer is no.

[@nickoggy]

Can you do a similar video for cfmoto 650nk it looks a great bike for price it's only $4800 in the UK at the minute

[@dudechuck82]

CFmoto was released as a better inexpensive motorcycle. Not so inexpensive anymore. The price is right up there with the rest now.

[@Sil3ntD3ath478]

Going based on the size thing, I’m 6’4 in America. What bike would be a good starter?

[@Wintersdark]

As a 6'4" dude myself, and I'm assuming you're a quasi mature adult? A Tenere 700, and get some lowered foot pegs. Easy to ride, plenty of power. Even if you're never thinking of riding in the dirt, it's a raucous hooligan machine if you want it to be, it's tall and comfortable for us big guys, it has enough power so you won't "outgrow" it, but so predictable, linear and easy to use it's easy to learn on. Good suspension, tall riding position giving you an excellent view through traffic. Stock tires are excellent on the road, and it's proven reliable, maintains resale value like crazy, and has TONS of good crash protection available as it's an adv bike. Also, it's genuinely hard to stall as it tractors along at idle readily, making it much harder to have embarassing start/stop mishaps.

[@Sil3ntD3ath478]

@@Wintersdark I’m 24 now, probably won’t be getting a bike until next spring. The t7 or vstrom are the 2 I’ve been the most interested in

[@danmancino22]

I'll buy a cfmoto when they finally release the V4

[@jenglish01]

I am picking up a 2023 300NK for my son tomorrow. Is it worth the extra $2k for the 24 450NK? His current bike is a Kawasaki Z125 Pro.

[@christopherpekel6096]

If this is his second bike, definitely

[@maxm3453]

Definitely worth the money. For 450NK, the power, vibration control and the ride quality are way better, because of the stiffer frame, 450 even handles greater than the 300

[@TheFranpito]

the 300 is a really great bike. Stupidly fun and light, you can basicly beat the crap out of it without feeling you´re gonna crash any moment. But tbh i would go for the 450, the extra 20hp are a lot for a bike of this size, has traction control But... have in mind that the 450nk is more than enough to get you hurt, i mean, on a backroad you can cruze at 70/80mph no problem.

[@andreiluca2406]

can i ride this at 185 cm height?

[@StevanM-cu8gp]

In my country this bike is a steal it cost 5700€ out the door while the mt 03 is 6600€ plus some dealership fees to "prepare it"

[@StevanM-cu8gp]

I have test ridden it. Really high quality feeling, it sounds so good. My issue is that the passenger seat is too high and my gf hates that😂

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

Yes, you guys in the UK get 4 years of warrant over here we only get two years but at $5399. USD.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

all pillion seats are like that.

[@Ramonatho]

Interesting, here in the US my MT-03 was 5000 retail with about 600 in freight and assembly fees.

[@StevanM-cu8gp]

@@CharlesR.SteinruckIII I am from Croatia but close enough🤣 as for the seat we also test rode the 450mt back to back so compared to that its awful. My concern with the 450mt is the knobbed tires and 21 inch rim that in my mind dont have enough grip although they probably do.

[@96blackjacket]

My sv650 is the same way it’s sort of sputtery at maint throttle around 3-5k rpm

[@Chromosome1919]

It looks like a good daily rider 😮

[@eddietuckerjr.2858]

I have my heart set on a 2024 Husqvarna Svartpilen 401, but no one has clue when they we arrive in the US. Should I reconsider getting a 450 NK?

[@0Turbox]

I wouldn't call it a beginner bike, you can say that about a 125cc and even then, there are racing categories with this class. I buy these kinds of bikes because they are nimble and easy to maneuver through traffic. I always shake my head, seeing the 1.000cc owners sitting at the end of the traffic jam, while I overtake them and move to the stop light to get a head start. Also, for such a low price, you won't shed a tear after you drop it.

[@spitescorner]

We don't have 125s in the States.

[@John_Ridley]

Action cam really shouldn't be on that QL shock mount. They are fully electronic stabilized, there's nothing in there for the vibration to damage, the shock mount is just making it more wobbly.

[@nhzxboi]

Yikes! I haven't been a beginner since 1984. Scary! Looks like it is made of cool-colored popsicle sticks. I guess things do change. My first was a 1978 CB350

[@kozas0]

How tall are you? I am 1.73cm, do you think it would be "small" for me too? Also, I think there is also a 650NK, do you happen to know about it?

[@StevanM-cu8gp]

Review the new Aprilia RS 457

[@stevenm936]

Your QuadLock mount for the GoPro causes too much vibration in the videos that recorded you face on. The vibration is distracting. Otherwise, it’s a useful review.

[@churchofbrap876]

Best beginner bike is DRZ400SM supermoto!

[@Ramonatho]

Unless you're 5 foot 6 like me I wanted one, I can't get up on one

[@SoDakTwisties]

The only CF Moto reliability issues I'm legit concerned with are regarding the models with the KTM LC8 parallel twin engines. Lots of owners of these engines in KTMs have complained about butter soft cams with insanely premature cam wear, even when following the service intervals. Since trading my KTM, I've just kinda stopped following those issues online...but given my own experience with KTM after-sale support I don't have much faith.

[@jamesmealing-gd8jv]

Some people dont know where too buy these motorcycle The South never seen one but on youtube

[@anirudhs9200]

Would this be good for someone who’s around 5’11 though

[@3089280288]

Sure

[@adamwhite6797]

Yeah, in my boots, I'm 6 feet even, and I have the 300nk. If anything, I'm adding a windscreen to lessen the wind hitting me

[@themystx2]

A USED CFmoto is the best beginner bike. New, no way, no how. The depreciation is absolutely insane on these compared to their Japanese counter bikes.

[@UncleLayne]

It sucks that the 450NK gets upcharged so hard in Canada. They start at $8300 before fees and taxes, which is the equivalent of around $6050 USD. We get plenty of other bikes from CFMoto and other manufacturers at parity or even a slight discount compared to the US, but I guess we can't win em all. Might even be an emissions thing, so who's to say why it's the way it is. Really awesome that such a great bike for beginners exists on the market either way!

[@marknocbogataj9753]

I am here to check out a potential second bike/commuter.

[@tjey379]

Start on? No that would be like my finall bike I just hope that its all mechanical and cable actuated. CF is in America I really hope that Senke and or Haojue will bless Uganda with less expensive competitirs to this

[@Merc399]

How can they make the best starter bikes when they dontt make supermotos

[@georgelandrum7249]

450nk vs MT07 I’m looking at both any thoughts

[@Cj-xl3jv]

Yamaha undoubtedly. One thing people always avoid talking about with CF Moto is their god awful resale value. Obviously any vehicle is a depreciating asset but I see sooooo many CF motos sit on the second hand used market because the buyer pool for them is so niche.

[@TheFranpito]

@@Cj-xl3jv new vs new the 450nk is waaaaay cheaper, like 2500usd.

[@Andrew-mk7rm]

Can you review a CFMOTO IBEX 800

[@KeViNMCMXXCIX]

Still irrelevant though. I know it's America, and things are different over there compared to here with the tiered license system here in Europe. CFMoto makes nice bikes, sure we get it. Decently priced to but still. The best beginner bike is one you feel comfortable on once you sat on it and rode it around for a bit whether it be on a test course, parking lot or on a public road. When I decided to get on motorcycles, I was above the age of 24 with about 10 years of owning a license to drive a car and driving for that amount time. So I got learned the insight in traffic, which also is a big factor you learn while or before getting on motorcycles. Since I was 24, I was able to get the highest tier of the license called A, so you can ride all cc's once you obtain the license. I had lessons on a CB650R, commonly used motorcycles here are SV650, Z650, MT07, CB650F back when they we're released. So middle weights perfectly fine to adjust to. So after taking the lessons on these, people sometimes, go to a lower cc bike cause that's all they need really and some of course go to bigger bikes. So there's no real trajectory here either. Just try and test them out, or do your research online for specs, on the bike like seat height, your measurements, reliability, costs, what kind of riding you want to do and so on.

[@rayriver4325]

I want to start on 450MT, but still not sell in the US

[@ut90J]

Most used bikes are going for more than when they were new in my state. Combine a drop, plus three previous neglectful owners and you have a recipe for a bad time at a higher price. Most used bikes will already need tires, so even if you are saving say 500 dollars over new, you will lose that just by swapping tires and don't get me started on the cost of a valve adjustment that is likely overdue. At least in my state, buying new is the better option. If you live in a place like FL, TX, or CA you might be able to find a good used bike at a good price, but many other places might not be the case.

[@kennedyracing7527]

Dude you’re a CF Moto fan boy

[@someguy9520]

He's also a KTM fan, so it does make sense

[@I-Libertine]

Yeah, and I'm becoming one, too...

[@Panza1965]

Me Too

[@viperq]

Overall I like the new CFmotos, but I feel this page is now a paid advert. for CFmoto.

[@nathanwagner6535]

Grrrrr how dare someone enjoy products 😡😡😡

[@loucas9608]

On the fence between 300sr and 450sr

[@tomelposh]

Love my 800nk (:

[@viperq]

CFmoto 450s are good for us short people.

[@catatonic_wrenching]

I think a cf moto would be a good 2nd or 3rd bike. Noobs would be devastated if they dropped their brand new bike

[@stephenbarabas6286]

😂😂 what are all of you doing dropping motorcycles??? Never once have a dropped one.. that just seems crazy to me.

[@ReichReview]

In SA the nk450 is $1000 more than the z500. Its a good bike yes but not a $1000 better.

[@lonniecross4698]

We’d all be better off buying less chicom stuff.

[@terryadams8860]

I feel like CFmoto is just KTM light 😂

[@Dadzone2000]

I’ve said it before, I love your channel but in the name of all that is holy turn your god damn indicator off before some one accidentally takes you out.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

I'm 6'5" in boots, I'm not getting a "starter bike" for my first bike. It seems there are no options for us tall beginners...unless you want a dual sport or an adventure bike. Which most of us don't. 650 class it is!

[@LDDivision]

Agreed!!!!! I'm 6'6" (not in my boots) and like 270lbs, there's no way these beginner bikes are gonna fit me

[@Ramonatho]

You could still maybe work it out with a Sportster 883 or 1200 and not be at a super high level of horsepower.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

@@Ramonatho While I do like the look of the Sportsters, I wouldn't own one. Really just looking at the CB650R, Trident, SV650, etc etc. I'm not a teenager and very much want to live, so I expect I'm responsible enough to start here

[@Kawasaki10rr]

They make the best because they paid you to say so. Kawasaki has the best beginner bikes

[@LiviuXSA]

Yeah its super blatant right now. Chinese companies have paid a lot of money to advertise in the Euro football tournament going on right now, the internet is full of praise for chinese manufacturers, basically all motorcycle influencers are singing high praise for CF Moto, its a little on the nose, china wants and pays for good marketing for a LOT of its products/vehicles right now

[@TheHarris619]

Or they are new and people are finally starting to try them out and they are great for the price.

[@Kawasaki10rr]

@@TheHarris619 they're Chinese, end of discussion

[@TheHarris619]

@@Kawasaki10rr you're racist end of discussion

[@SummitCoyote]

@@Kawasaki10rr nobody paid to have anyone say anything lol. every single creator is basically made a huge video about how sponsorships work and Spite has been very transparent about that side of things with the channel. so if you're going to be a little conspiracy theorist in the comments that's on you. keep your tinfoil hat on

[@MrWolf2212]

Looks like you're losing weight Spite. Face looks slimmer

[@JohnnyOctane]

Comment for the algorithm.

[@Prosecute-fauci]

For the price you would be better off getting a honda

[@brandoncostner7437]

Looks cool ☑ sounds good ☑ Performs well ☑ Affordable ☑ SV650 It's also reliable and tried and true unlike the CFMOTO

[@SummitCoyote]

@@brandoncostner7437 $7,900 vs $5400. for just a couple hundred dollars more than the SV you could have the 800nk.. witch has more tech, better performance and built in GPS, tamper sensors etc. a much better screen, better brakes, etc... if you're going to make a comparison make a comparison with a bike in the same price category. Also talking about beginner bikes .. SV650 probably not a great beginner bike. but hey. you do you also CFMoto has been around in the US since the 80s in the ATV market and their ATVs sell well. they've Also been in Europe for over a decade and been fine. there's still running examples of their scooters from forever ago when they got into that business briefly in the US.

[@Ramonatho]

SV 650 is too peppy for most starters. So many people wanna argue about that, but that bike can absolutely bite a beginner.

[@subhanjansaha1998]

nobody talks about the shivering gopro??? 2:52

[@Otterplus]

quadlock vibration damper. does great with phone camera mechanisms, not so great with action cams

[@sillyblackfox]

It looks dorky.

[@chrismariani9690]

How much is CFmoto paying you to do all these glowing reviews?

[@fcalin21]

KTM 390 is a mono cylinder !!! It does not compare with this motorcycle.

[@stevie9361]

Oh yeah I forgot they gave you this bike that's why you're praising it

[@drakeb6168]

sorry to ruin the NICE moment. Like #70

[@rozzbourn3653]

you know these are basically Kawasaki motors you are praising now right? CFMoto has a partnership with Kawasaki, which allows them to use Kawasaki technology in their motorcycles. For example, some CFMoto models are known to utilize engine designs that are based on Kawasaki's engines, benefiting from Kawasaki's proven reliability and performance. so the 650 cfmoto notorcycles have essentially the same motor as the versys you love so much...

[@churchofbrap876]

Kawi and KTM probably gonna regret partnering with Chyna!

[@rozzbourn3653]

@@churchofbrap876 its kind of like a licensing agreement, but yeah i think there will be some regret when sales start dropping with lost market share.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

All 790 and 890 KTM Duke and ADVs are built in China by CFMoto since 09-2020 a little more than licensing agreement. UpToDate much

[@Tennessee968]

I will never own a CCP Moto. However I dig the Orbit Culture shirt in the thumbnail.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

But the CCP phone is ok

[@Ramonatho]

"Written on an iPhone"

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

Sorry I'm 68 not tech savvy years old. Boomer applies to me. Just by seeing Tennessee968 comment I don't know the thing that Indicates and apparently is as plain as day to someone who knows what to look for that he made that comment on an iphone. In that respect, my reply obviously was the most ignorant sentence I could have commented back to him. I own that now.I have a CCP450SS. I have 4 CCP helmets AGVK6S Alpinestar Supertech R 10 Element Motorax R50S and Motorax R50 GP I'm on a CCP/HP home computer. I have a CCP dumb phone no data plan. So, I have to buy 1 gig every month for the phone to run and update. That's a rip-off cause back in the day when they had carry over to the next month a gig lasted 3mo. That used to be $12. a month just increased to $20. My phone used to run on $48. a year Phone service itself is free with my bundle for tv and interweb. Yes, that turned into a rant. Plan for your retirement so you don't have to buy the cheapest deal. I wish I had MVAgusta F3RC money. I do have 675SR-S money. CFMoto just dropped the 675SR this past week in China. Boomer applies to me.

[@Tennessee968]

@@Ramonatho Wrong.

[@Tennessee968]

@@CharlesR.SteinruckIII Gave $50 for this older phone and bought it from an individual. Get fcked.