This Is Why I Quit Krav Maga And You Should Too

[@MartialArtsJourney]

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[@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence]

Thanks for the chat!

[@legion162]

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[@postmodernism06]

actually jon jones used the 360 block/punch move to tko ryoto machida, so krav maga has been used in mma in the highest level.

[@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence]

@@postmodernism06 pretty sure he choked him out with a guillotine

[@D33Lux]

What self defence martial art would you suggest for real world situations like a random street fight? Thank-you.

[@sampokemppainen3041]

Fist rule: If questioning the art and methods causes your instructor to shut you down, it's time to walk out and never come back.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

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[@glennrobinson7193]

Sampo Kemppainen ▪ Good advice ❗👍

[@derekbarkham2314]

It is Ok to question something respectfully, if they cannot handle that then they are hiding something, so leave.

[@Free-JackWolff]

@@johnboyjordan1915 It's not the army so I can question what I'm not paying for respectfully.

[@stevenjames7334]

i couldn't agree more

[@maxwellkafka]

I did a year at a “Krav Maga Worldwide” gym in Phoenix before I joined the Army, and they had some good training (much better than Army Combatives), but when I met an Israeli soldier during some medical cross training, he explained that Krav Maga isn’t a style, it’s a mindset to condition their soldiers to become violent and recondition their stress reactions

[@jwhippet8313]

Krav Maga is hands down the most deadly system meant to be taught to 18yr old Tel Aviv beach girls in a single 45 min. session.

[@toratora9009]

this observation is gold

[@Ryoko007]

what on earth...that sounds so messed up...

[@idontcare9885]

That's how they solve issue to Palestinians children.

[@iggs67]

@@idontcare9885 Most of those children are in their mid 20s early 30s with beards and AK47s. Of course they are someone's children.

[@RamseyDewey]

A few good apples in a barrel of bad ones is a very apt analogy. I have met and trained with many Krav Maga instructors. Only two of them were any good, and even then I’d describe those two as athletic, aggressive white belts.

[@skaruts]

Obviously you're leaving out Captain Krav Maga.

[@hedleyparis397]

I agree with this in the context of many traditional arts... but if you find one of those good apples, you really had better watch out! One of the problems, many traditional arts in the west, taught by practitioners that possibly came back from a tour somewhere, and had only a very weak understanding of the art. Passed on weak variant of art without details. You see this time and again in the ".... destroys master of XYZ..." and you think "that's not something I recognise as XYZ". A benefit of MMA, is it certainly gives people an eagerness to actually strike... Something that's lacking in many traditional schools. I have no doubt many people have effective martial arts, but there's a mental block to using them before it's too late. Of course, this is a huge weakness, highlights that need for "pressure testing" as part of the training regime.

[@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence]

Thanks mate!

[@SandaBoxing]

@@hedleyparis397 What you just said about those magical Asians in Asia with their secret sauces, is completely horse 💩. You think Asian martial artists in Asia don't compete nor want all of that fame, glory and $$$$ afforded by The UFC, K-1, etc. but instead, they'd rather work at an Apple factory making iPhones for $2/hour & thinking about suicide every day? There are plenty of Asians in Asia training hard, but they don't go looking for some magical, Kung-Fu master oldfart in some mystical mountain like in the movies. No, there's no secret to punching someone in the face; you just get good at it by keep punching people in the face.

[@hedleyparis397]

@@SandaBoxing I guess you’ve also *been punched* in the face a lot. Who said anything about “magical Asians” and “secret sauces”. If you’re in the West and you learn BJJ from someone good, you’ll do better than learning from someone that’s trained less than two years. The closest I’ve ever come to “secret sauce” was sparring with an MMA guy that claimed I was using “some crazy voodoo stuff” because his brain couldn’t comprehend the science and mechanics of body structure. And who’s committing suicide en masse making iPhones? The Foxconn incidents were blown out of all proportion. Their suicide rates per 100k were less than average suicide rates per 100k in USA... even if the number was significant purely because of the sheer scale of Foxconn. Though I wouldn’t expect someone like you to actually consider the evidence.

[@tmenzerj]

As a Krav instructor, I agree with a lot of this. One of the things that I have benefitted from is that our school is mostly BJJ and MMA guys. Some really good strikers and grapplers. This means that we have the opportunity to test some of our moves under stress and get the input of some folks who are actively competing in combat sports. I look at my Krav classes this way, I am never going to make my students competitive with the guys who train Muay Thai and BJJ a lot, but Krav can give them a lot for the folks who train once or twice a week. Give them the best techniques that you can for self-defense in the limited time that they have and push them to try these techniques under pressure. I constantly tell my students that if they want to get better they should be cross-training in BJJ and Muay Thai

[@flowrepins6663]

What country do u teach? Muay thai and bjj are most popular but sanda sanshou and wresting are very underated . There are other good arts besides mt n bjj

[@dustinsegers4534]

I studied Krav for 10 years after doing MMA. I achieved a 1st dan black belt. I had to fight full-contact for my rank, and it was intense and injuries would occur. That was with wearing full protective gear. It was like MMA training, but we did knife, gun, and multiple attackers. Most Krav schools now however are a joke. $ eventually ruins all martial arts.

[@seanjohn3226]

Same here went to one Krav Maga school but was never allowed to go higher in grades found out that it was all about money. The more classes and private lessons you did you advanced so stopped going.

[@puppetmastercoaching7388]

Didn't people get shot if you were using real loaded guns for sparring? Just asking.....

[@ocean2zx]

Money ruins martial arts because now it's all about business than sharing knowledge. Martial arts is knowledge and it shouldn't be about money.

[@rujotheone]

What school did you go to?

[@seanjohn3226]

@@rujotheone not sure of the name of the school as I just stopped going.

[@makenjikarate]

Two years to become a krav instructor? *Mcdojo intensifies*

[@Liquidcadmus]

not only the little time is a red flag, but also they teach stuff they have no experience with. 99% KM instructors have no experience in fighting and much less in dealing with armed attackers, so how are they qualified to teach that stuff?

[@richardcheese8237]

@@Liquidcadmus I guess I got lucky and found a badass experienced teacher. We would spar all the time with and without weapons. Havent trained anywhere that does the same since then.

[@grayalun]

That's a ridiculously short amount of time.

[@alphamango2816]

@@Liquidcadmus So you’re saying that every martial art institution’s instructors should have experience dealing with REAL danger? So every boxing instructor should’ve been in a dozen real fights? Sparring is the closest you can get to real fighting in Krav Maga. Which again is a mixture of good techniques taken from other martial arts.

[@Liquidcadmus]

@@alphamango2816 yes and in fact every boxing instructor has first hand experience with what he teaches. He has received and deliveres hundreds of punches so he knows they work. Same with any martial arts teacher, thats why they do sparring. Anyone teaching weapon disarming on the other hand is clueless unless its a navy seal. Km is useless. It tries to copy stuff from real martial arts and soes it poorly. Just go for the real martial art from where the techniques were copied.

[@marlow769]

Krav Maga, like most arts, have been co-opted by the “black belt store” business model. When I started Krav Maga 20 years ago, it was more about the mindset and keeping technique simple and effective - weeding out the bullshit from the “arts”. It was a ‘what ever works/no rules’ mentality. Calling it an art was a misnomer.

[@Cuffsmaster]

That is more or less how I was trained 40 some years ago in self defense and to stand off against an aggressor. . Back then there was usually boxing or kung fu or some other traditional martial art that is useless. The program I attended was much like Krav Maga but simpler and with fewer moves. There were no belts as well. It has served me well' ((( later Correction to above .. I should of said that all you had back when I was a kid was a sport like boxing or some useless thing like kung fu. ))

[@lironcohen2938]

Well Krav Maga isn't art, it's a self defence moves, we invented Krav Maga... you just changed it and think what you do is good.

[@Cuffsmaster]

@@lironcohen2938 You are probably right. KM teaches you boxing as a foundation, It actually teaches you how to put your weight and move your hips into a punch very well. The stance (position of legs and feet) is not what I like. But it is ok for most people just starting in self -defense. But this could of just been the way the trainer I visited was personally teaching and not the system itself. I don't know. i KM is practical and for the most part simple to learn and use as it should be for self defense. I have no experience with the original version of KM therefore I have no idea how it was changed to become more useful to civilians. There are many rumors about how it was/is taught in Israel but I have no first hand knowledge. The stories are conflicting. As for as others changing KM I am not sure that is fully correct. Actually the founders of KM also made moves to commercialize it. It is set up to where you must travel to Israel before you can get a black belt. This shows they are fulling involved in the process of changing KM to meet demand . I don't blame them but they can't also claim everyone else is changing it. Yeah there are some schools not associated with the original KM and teaching b/s. How I have looked at some of the things required for a black belt in KM and they seem silly for civilians to take as they are outside self - defense. I have no reason to learn how to provide security for others like a body guard. But as you say it is your system so you can require what you wish for a black belt. Today things have changed in the filed of Military Combatives. . Today I think KM is not much better than learning U.S. Marine Corps Martial Arts (MCMAP) or Army Combatives for self defense. The military versions of each needs to be modified in order for Civilian to use them for self defense. KM is good but I do think there could be a better option developed for civilian use.

[@lironcohen2938]

@@Cuffsmaster You are 100% right, I was just talking about the fact that Krav Maga here is more for woman who encounter any threat or for soldiers, we as soldiers learn how to defend ourselves using our body only when we are attacked (usually by a human with a knife/hatchet) so we won't damage the terrorist/citizen too much, we need to have great reflexes which is offered by our training in Krav Maga, this is why I think Krav Maga work for us, but it my not work on the avarage person who doesn't have any kind of armor.

[@coloursfn416]

@@Cuffsmaster boxing is useless?

[@makswagger8549]

As a Krav Maga practitioner for 10 years with Kickboxing & No Gi Jiu-Jitsu background. To be honest i trained under some Krav Maga centers that are so commercialized with a unrealistic approach. I have a training group that focuses on realism we would do scenario based training, sparring/milling, situational awareness. Guys i considered real Krav Maga are Ryan Hoover of FTF and Jeff Phillips of Western Combatives and there more guys like them the list is long. Their ideas improved my Combatives & Self-Defense skills I owe them alot of credit. I mean their content saved my life and also helped avoid possible violent encounters. Greetings from the PH 🇵🇭

[@eddierattlehead6183]

Being an avid self-defense enthusiast, my rule of thumb is that I would look at every fighting style, take at least one good thing that stands out and incorporate it into my arsenal.

[@MatteoMazzulloRevel]

Amen. Just another tool for the tool box

[@rexremedy1733]

Boxing and other full contact sports is always a good start.

[@lawrencewolfe-xavier5951]

Good idea. This is what Krav Maga does.

[@jovanmcintyre7334]

Isn’t that literally what krav maga is?

[@elizajames477]

Definitely. Have a good toolbox, but also work heavily on instinctive reactions, fitness, power, balance. More experience. To be honest, getting into lots of street fights would also help, but it's not.that ethical and could end badly. On weird thing I've noticed, people street fight differently in different countries, which makes me wonder whether some of the more bizzare techniques are actually useful to get people off guard.

[@Wakey585]

I got my P3 in KMG and honestly I got very tired and disillusioned with it. I thought I wanted to join a Martial Arts club for the fitness which tbf Krav Maga is very very good at. But when you are the only 19 year old in room full of guys in their 30's/40's there comes a point you want to hang out with kids your own age; and being a broke 19 yo already paying £30 a week for one lesson that I often couldn't get to because of work commitments and seeing a classroom of guys pay extra money for more classes from the same dude in different towns it got kinda exhausting tbh. I think though the main thing that made me quit was that no-one really got to know each other, so here I am now 10-ish years on in a TKD school with a lot of people who are honestly very supportive and all get along, I don't care that TKD is a "less effective" Martial Art because I'm honestly enjoying it a whole lot more.

[@philcliffe6909]

Interesting. I experienced the same thing. The Krav Maga experience was very different from other martial arts that I had trained with.

[@nickgreen4731]

You have to remember: most people who do Krav have never done any combat training at all, they don't want to compete or be some ninja, they just want some basic tools they can use if they get into a dangerous situation. For them, anything is better than nothing.

[@hunger4wonder]

Sometimes anything *can* be worse than nothing, because it can make a person gain a false sense of confidence and put them in an overall worse situation than what they began with.

[@jamesmichael7448]

Agree with @tsk028. If you are teaching people,who have never been in combat sports, techniques that have no real chance in working in a real physical altercation you are essentially setting them to get their ass kicked or worse. Sometimes your natural instincts are better than years worth of garbage martial arts training.

[@SirGeorge65]

@@hunger4wonder a good fighter should never overestimate its abilities and knowledge. I personally think that Krav Maga does give some basic tools which can work under some circumstances.

[@BlackViperMWG]

@@hunger4wonder Never had any krav maga instructor teaching false sense of confidence, on the contrary, they always placed great emphasis on saying it's better to run and we will get cut or stabbed when going against a knife etc, fighting was last resort and that's why it should be aggressive and quick, no prolonged fights etc.

[@niscent_]

there's no shortcut to fighting, there's no technique or basic tools to fight people. if you're not training to fight, you can't fight and that's it. you can still get many valuable things without sparring, but none of them are related to fighting. you can learn about situational awareness, drill your decision making... the thing closest to fighting you can learn, without putting on the gloves, is disengage and run away case by case. and even then, a few months spent learning any grappling style will make you much better at it than decades of drilling specific escape techniques.

[@ShaneGoodson]

I came here to poo poo the video based on the title, but what the guy says is totally on point.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Right on Shane 👊🙏

[@sarcastiquebro882]

"poo poo"

[@ShaneGoodson]

I am nothing if not a polite youtube comments troll

[@sunte91]

@@ShaneGoodson haha 😂 good on ya 👏🏻

[@shawnsmith2610]

@@MartialArtsJourney I have seen plenty of people that were bad ass at krav maga even a woman instructor I would put up against most men but she has been doing krav most of her life.People that say this art or that art is bs have never even faught a person good at that style in there life.

[@tkm69u]

Agree 100% quality control is important. Biggest problem for commercial schools is that they gotta pay the rent and put food on the table and if you train people to fight to a level that would equip them to do it for real as Krav Maga schools claim they do then you will only get small numbers which means you won't make rent or put food on the table. But I don't think instructors who can deliver the real deal need to change their name just let the right people know what they are all about and simply don't sell out for $$$$$$. And one last thing it's really only a small percentage of society that can really make the system work in real time the rest are just for paying someones rent and putting food on the table.

[@anakinPro01]

So, I've been training in Krav Maga for many years now and here are my comments: Some reviews on Krav Maga are legit, some not. Lack of sparring is in many Krav Maga schools is a legit point. Having good fighting skills is essential to win a street fight! However, when a boxer says: "I've had a sparring match with a Krav Maga guy and I destroyed him" I'm like: Dude, what did you expect?! A Krav Maga practitioner is never as good in boxing than a boxer, same goes for wrestling and BJJ. Fighters from combat sports can only focus on improving their fighting skills. Obviously, they are better at it than Krav Maga students, who have to study everything, from striking, to defense against typical attacks, to weapon defenses, fighting multiple attackers. Even though Krav Maga is my N°1, I'm still open minded and therefore I'm also training in Muay Thai to sharpen my fighting skills. I also trained in BJJ for one year.

[@hedleyparis397]

This is absolutely right. It’s also the case that the sparring usually occurs in a sport context. I.e. the first thing that’s said “let’s put some gloves on.” You only have to look at the divergent evolution of modern boxing to realise the effect gloves have. I.e. how sport context and fight context are very different.

[@anakinPro01]

@@elenchus This is due to the difference in the quantity of training. Most MMA fighters, who take their sport seriously, train almost every day. Most Krav Maga students, however, usually train 2-3 hours per week.

[@mchmer5349]

@@anakinPro01 in your experience do you find students that come from sport fighting backgrounds (Muay Thai, boxing , bjj etc) tend to adapt better to the techniques of Krav Maga compared to those students who only ever trained in Krav?

[@anakinPro01]

@@mchmer5349 Of course, having already a good background in striking or grappling arts gives you a big advantage over Krav Maga students who had to start from 0. Especially in striking, Krav Maga uses a lot of punches and kicks from Boxing and Muay Thai.

[@anakinPro01]

​@@elenchus But MMA students want to learn how to fight! In contrary to 80 % of Krav Maga students; and yeah 80 % of the students are beginners. These students just want to learn to defend themselves but as soon as sparring shows up in the curriculum they usually quit! Krav Maga is a very good system for self defense if you take it seriously and accept that sparring is an important part of it. Just sad that most students quit after 1 or 2 years.

[@cldavis33]

This is why I love BJJ - walk in the door, your shit works, or you are owned so badly. Talk or think about it all you want, but if it didn't work, it didn't effing work.

[@blacksheepincorporated]

I train in Krav Maga, I'm hardly an expert, but in general, I feel like I'm training in a decent place-- I've watched a few videos like this, and in the cases where someone points out some version of "if you're doing A, B, and C, in your training 'good'. If you are doing X, Y, and Z, then 'bad'" I can honestly say the place I train at has at least ~70/80% of the stuff on the 'good' list, and in the case of the 'bad' I haven't come across anything yet. In any case, my mindset is that 1) it's a convenient place to train because it's close by, 2) it's a good workout, and 3) I am not 'married' to either Krav Maga, or the place I train-- they work for me, for now, and I can reassess as needed.

[@sergiobatista2272]

Don't bother with these stupid and unintelligent people that don't have the capacity to see what is good and what is not...they rather prefer to follow the mma propaganda...just because it's becoming extremely famous and popular (like celebrities). Yes, most people only follow what is popular and famous, that's why the world is in shitty situation, most people don't think...they're followers, like sheep.

[@mattvanderschyff4632]

Don't listen to Sergio. If you wanna learn how to defend yourself you need to learn bjj and muay thai. Those are the apex self defense arts.

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

It can work just make sure your pressure testing and up against live resistance and drilling as well if done right though it can be very effective

[@djharto4917]

If your that defensive there is a problem! Krav is bull shit learn a real art

[@ubt3606]

@@mattvanderschyff4632 bjj is the worst self defence art lol

[@MemphisRideshare]

I have to disagree on getting others to quit. Go find yourself a quality instructor and learn for as long as it takes to get it down and spar to put it to the test

[@snd7622]

And check your fighting skills against thai boxing. After losing this fight in very embarrassing way you will quit 😆

[@paint_eater5926]

@@snd7622 As someone who has been doing Thai Boxing for multiple years now, this analogy isn't very good. The reason I say this is because Krav Maga and Thai Boxing are different. I mean sure, if you were to pit a Krav guy against a Thai Boxer in a controlled environment, generally the Thai Boxer would win. But this is a controlled environment, with set rules on what you cant and can do. Krav Maga is training you for life and death situations, hence why they teach you to aim for the eyes, groin, etc. Sure, there are a lot of phony Krav Maga places out there, but when taught properly (just like every martial art out there) Krav Maga is incredibly deadly. This is why they teach Krav Maga to the IDF for example. So in short, comparing Krav Maga to Thai Boxing is like comparing apples to oranges; They are two fundamentally different fighting styles.

[@snd7622]

@@paint_eater5926 In real combat krav maga guy will be totally destroyed in seconds. Show me just ONE video where krav maga practitioners have good level of skills. It's nothing deadly or even dangerous in krav maga. It's useless and Mongolian ballet is more ,,deadly''. A while ago I spend hours watching krav maga videos on yt and they are all rubbish. Even 3rd dan exams are shockingly low level . Dramatically bad technique and in general level of technical skills is very bad. Again show me video with good krav maga fighter. My experience is over 20 years of kyokushinkai karate and 6 years of thai boxing. And those krav maga 2 or 3 dan ,,masters'' will not survive against our 6 kyu boys 😁 They do some fake choreography on yt, some sueless demonstrations and always same excuse : we are too dangerous to fight 😆 All I can see is serious lack of skills and conditioning. And we don't need to train how to stick finger in the eye , smashing the throat with kopkushinkai powerful punches is even more deadly.

[@Kagemusha08]

Live, unscripted drills and sparrring are always the focus in effective martial arts schools. Scripted, pre-rehersed drills have their place to refine techniques but if they're the core of training they almost always reinforce bad habits and fail to give people any confidence in their ability to actually fight (you know, the entire point of studying a "martial" art).

[@rudai123]

Any self defense system or martial art will have holes. BJJ and Wrestling suck on concrete and against strikers etc. Some Krav associations still train hard and instructor training takes years and to be certified, it takes a lot of time, bruises, and swear equity. The problem is that Krav has become a term similar to "karate" or "king fu", which can mean almost anything. Pick the right Krav org, and you will not be disappointed.

[@lucian5389]

I'd argue wrestling is way more effective on concrete, you only have to slam the guy once.

[@lucian5389]

I'd argue wrestling is way more effective on concrete, you only have to slam the guy once.

[@lucian5389]

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[@roeheman8856]

@@elenchus So I have an honest and sincere question for you then? Is there any type of specific Jujitsu that you would recommend? I know that there is things like Goshinjitsu don’t know if I spelled it right that many people say is pretty practical for the street. I’m a lifelong martial artist but even I see the value within certain systems that train to be affective on the streets. And are there any videos of the footage from KZbin you could provide? I myself am a PFS JKD - Kali/Silat Guy with a blend of other arts taking what works and discarding anything that is useless. I think you for taking the time and reading this and look forward to your reply a salute to you in respect.

[@Spanky00Cheeks]

@@roeheman8856 just try your local Brazilian Jiu Jitsu gyms, that have a good amount of sparring or rolling each class, and that produce good competitors, who compete regularly. MMA schools are also good. 1/3 of what they do is just bjj anyways haha, and you might like the striking too. Competition is key. It takes the fantasy out of a martial art. Otherwise you’re just LARPing with dead motion patterns. Sport bjj is often scoffed at by people who pretend to punch each other, without ever actually feeling the pressure of a real struggle. “Jiu Jitsu”, without specifically being Brazilian or Gracie, can be anything. Can be as silly as aikido, or any other fantasy martial art. So don’t go for just Jiu Jitsu. Tell them how much pressure you want to feel from day 1. With new people, it’s not clear if the gym should take it easy on you and risk you not taking the gym seriously, or if they should show you how helpless you really are, and risk scaring you off with some bruises.

[@jeffreybrackett5253]

I have a lot to say about Krav Maga. I think it is great self defense system (if taught correctly) .it is a farely easy to learn at it's basic level, which is good for the common person. However, many schools do not pressure test what they teach. When sparring, it looks a lot like sloppy MMA. I like the way I was taught though. We did random scenarios, or random attacker drills. This gave a sense of realism. Also we did circle or clock drills as well. I will say that as a former corrections officer, there were quite a few times that I had to rely on my training in real life, and I was able to make it home safely. I am a huge fan (and an open minded practitioner) of martial arts, but I can honestly say that Krav Maga is very effective as a self defense system, and it is considered to be one of the most battle tested hand to hand combat systems in the world. However, I wouldn't say that it would necessarily hold up in competition agaisnt a well trained MMA fighter. My over all advise would be to learn MMA, but draw some from some of the combat and tactical aspects from systems like Krav Maga.

[@furiousfellow1583]

I think krav maga is pretty effective, if you are a soldier, I mean if you also have the strenght, stamina and other complementary combative training krav maga technique can be very beneficial, but for us civilians just casually drilling some exótic technique, wont do much to teach you fighting

[@Fortniteclipz2014]

So if you were to step up to a fully krav maga qualified teacher you'd win a fight right ?

[@JA-lr5ix]

@@Fortniteclipz2014 Chances are the guy with krav would win hands down if they know any more about fighting than a noob. point is, taking krav classes alone isn’t beneficial if you’re not being indoctrinated into the military where you are going to have strength, stamina, and other techniques/equipment availible to you to utilize in your practice.

[@avrahamhirsch2724]

If you have ever seen real Israeli krav maga in Israel, those classes have drills where someone attacks you while you have your weapon holstered and need to fight him off, draw and shoot the guy. Or as a soldier, someone attacks you with a knife and you have to fight to create distance so you can bring your rifle to shoot him. Or if you are attacked when your weapon is jammed. You have to fight him off while clearing the jam and the shoot him. Bottom line, if you are just some dude in a fight without a gun, krav maga isn't any good for you.

[@pblbrb9413]

This channel keeps getting better and better... good (and specially honest) job man

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks! Glad to hear it. More content like this is on the way!

[@hunger4wonder]

@@MartialArtsJourney this *really* is a great channel. You're doing some good work man. And, personally, i appreciate your journey.

[@clubkravmagabetxi]

He explains what happens when you paid to have a belt or diploma (the fast way, 2 years). Instead to training the right years (5-6 years or regular practice), and understand the system to become a legit krav maga instructor. Also, a SENIOR instructor was a person who has achieved a 5th or 6th dan (or upper), and he has +/- 15 years of teaching experience. Mcdojos and mcfederations exist in KM and in others martial arts or combat sports; it's nothing new.

[@darylfields]

Krav Maga isn't the problem it's b.s. instructors who's only concern is money but bjj isn't always the answer

[@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence]

agree

[@darylfields]

@@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence I think popularity and money is ruining all martial arts

[@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence]

@@darylfields people catering to what makes money rather than truth.

[@darylfields]

@@JeffPhillipsSelfDefence Yes indeed

[@goblin_games]

I studied Krav Maga for just over 2 years and I was very impressed with it. Our class was mostly ex-soldiers and nightclub bouncers. They were all long term members and I think that speaks volumes.

[@aboudbasha3972]

Ex israeli soldiers?

[@thesassologist6507]

I have been training Krav for 6 years now and at my school it is required to do a lot of sparring and fighting and also against multiple attackers. Then we apply the techniques in stressful situations. But there are too many schools and instructors and organisations that do not put the techniques to the test.

[@transgenderedmuhammad8817]

You have been wasting your time. Go do BJJ, Krav is for pussies

[@Cuffsmaster]

DO you test it with bare knuckles? How do you practice the strikes to the eyes - throat - groin ect. ? I am not being critical as I don't believe you have to be 100 % hard core training to be effective. I think you need sparring for boxing or kickboxing to get your timing and distance down. Also grabbling rolling is good but you can't use ground and pound. I think KM is good or at least most of it but like all martial arts it has some questionable moves and some I'd never use in a fight. The double back kick and the 360 defense seem more harmful to you than the one you are attacking. Also the black belt focuses a lot of being Secret Service Agent type training / personal security for others. That seems useless for most and the time could be better spent on the ground game and boxing Don't get me wrong I like the basic concepts and my training mirrored much of KM. Including going for the eyes - throat - nuts and grabbing and breaking individual fingers.

[@thesassologist6507]

@@Cuffsmaster bare knuckles only on pads because there is safety in training of course. We strike to the groin and other parts of the body with full force and MMA gloves. I don't approve of KM schools where you are not allowed to hit because then you don't know what you should be doing in real life. During training we generally have more injuries than schools where they do not do that intense sparring, but our instructors want us to have that mindset where you keep fighting no matter who is your opponent. Especially in a life or death situation. I train at a KMG school and they are very fair about the system. My instructor always says that it is not fool proof, but it does give you many tools which you can improve by also training other combat sports. While we do spar a lot with full force, I also started training muay thai and kickboxing and I have friends who do BJJ as well as KM and those practitioners are generally at the top of the class because they know what they are doing. And to be fair, any instructor who claims that what they do is the best thing, is full of bullshit. I agree with you on the last part, but I know that KMG is changing the curriculum to apply more to real life situations and not just the special agent stuff.

[@Cuffsmaster]

@@thesassologist6507 Thank you for taking the time to give a great response. I can't say I disagree with anything you say. I do believe KM is a great system if you have good instructors. I can also see how those with bjj or judo or catch wrestling would be among the top in class. Many in classes have never thrown a punch or taken a hit when classes start. At least that it the way it was in my training. You have to use at least some full contact to prepare them for what will happen in a fight. One of the things about KM or a system like I took is that there are many things to learn including ground fighting - strikes - clinch fighting - and all the other aspect of self defense.

[@thesassologist6507]

@@Cuffsmaster that is very true. As with any popular system, there will always be people trying to cash in on it and give the entire system a bad name. We just have to hope that those 'bad' instructors move on to the next big thing so that the really good ones can actually teach people proper Krav Maga. And that is true. You can't get better if you haven't got your ass handed to you at least a couple of times. That makes you learn. Otherwise you just have a false sense of security which is dangerous.

[@TI-rg4sn]

Imho the whole idea that civilians who have never had real fight teach other civilians who become instructors themselves and teach others blindly is not working. There is no feedback in the system, can't try anything on a non-compliant partner, no evidence of anything is actually working. Yeah, there was that guy who figured out some techniques 20-30-40 years ago and you have to believe he was right. Anytime I asked my trainer what if the attacker won't do what we are expecting the answer is always 'you have already pucnhed him in the face so he will', but of course it can't be tested. And it applies to any self defense system where they're selling this magic techniques...

[@VTdarkangel]

The thing I've always said about KM is that is doesn't make a good first art, but it is great for tying together skills you've gained from other arts with a focus on self-defense. Every good KM practitioner I know has a solid foundation in atleast one other fighting based system. The vast majority of those have cross-trained in multiple disciplines. I have also seen a lot of bullshit is the KM world as well. I laughed in the face of an "instructor" once after watching a bullshit seminar that did nothing but give the participants a false since of security. Who your instructor is plays a huge role in nearly every martial art and KM is no different. Just be aware: good KM instructors are rarely ever KM purists.

[@stickstu2866]

I couldn't agree more with this, all the good Krav Maga teachers you come across have a big background in BJJ or something else

[@JTtheReptile]

That's what Jocko Willink said. He actually thinks Krav Maga is good as an augment but not as a base.

[@goldhawk151]

That’s true, the Krav Maga instructors at the place I train have experience in other arts like boxing, Filipino martial arts, jiu jitsu, Kung fu, and hapkido and they highly encourage cross training

[@VTdarkangel]

@@JTtheReptile I didn't know Jocko said that. Good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

[@justoldog]

Krav is just one piece of the infinite puzzle. Most arts have something valuable to learn.

[@littlefishbigmountain]

Some more than others. Some may give you a few good years, others may never truly run out on you as long as you live

[@warrennicholsony.fernando4513]

Including aikido if you use it right.

[@OldManFrank]

*"A few good apples in a barrel of bad ones...' is a great analogy; I am lucky to have found a good apple at my current KM gym. I definitely think you need a good background in MA (boxing, kickboxing, BJJ, etc.) to really take advantage of the KM techniques.*

[@MatteoMazzulloRevel]

Finally a comment that makes sense. 👍 exactly. Furthermore Krav Maga is a combination of all of those and is catered to build memory on instinctive reactions and an aggressive mind set in a self defense situation for short outbursts not for a competitive sport where you can study your opponent before hand and where you have rules of engagement for prolonged period of time. It is good to have fundamentals in fight science in all major disciplines.

[@puppetmastercoaching7388]

Yes and No. Krav Maga was initially formulated to get fat out of shape conscripts up to some level of aggression during a short basic training cycle. The instructors teaching it were fit for sure (army PT instructors usually are) but certainly weren't champion fighters - most probably never actually fought hand to hand for real. So the moves are simple and big muscle block based, and the theme is a relentless "hit and move forward - attack don't defend". It works great for that and if you stick with the basic techniques and drill again and again padded up against resisting opponents then you end up with something that would be pretty useful in a street fight (just like Sykes Fairburn British Combatives, Marine Corps Unarmed Combat, etc etc). Where things went wrong was when it started being markets really heavily in the USA - totally unrealistic claims were made and people started pretending that it had belts / levels - you needed to be a "master" or that you could be effective without actually learning how to hit hard. It became like a Tae Bo with a Killer Rep. Nothing wrong with that - just dont expect to learn to fight at all. Not even nearly as well as the guys who stick with the same 10 - 15 basic moves. Any systems which features "unarmed defense against a hand grenade" - really cant be taken seriously any more.

[@solidonaso9763]

Amazing video as always

[@realitycheckselfdefence7840]

Awesome interview!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thank you for helping make it happen Matt!

[@Cuffsmaster]

@@MartialArtsJourney I do enjoy your podcast and think you. You make good points even if I don't always agree. I don't think you are ever completely wrong even when I disagree

[@MrMisdemeanor1]

I was not a rookie when I tried Krav. From what I saw, Krav was great for self defense against weapons and generally how to learn to defend yourself if you don’t wrestle, don’t do jujitsu, don’t kick, don’t box. Good all around style for the above reasons and if you are not into forms or kata. No you won’t become a master or professional fighter but you can get very good at what you do learn which is Urban warfare or combat, quick and dirty fighting that could save your 🍑. When someone titles a video or commercial with a black and white absolute maxim like, this is bad or this is the best or this never works or something, I automatically don’t trust it. Carry on. Train well whatever your poison is.

[@clubkravmagabetxi]

A question for Mr. Jeff Phillips: How long did you train to be a krav maga instructor? Regular weekly training or through seminars? What degree did you reach and with what association / federation?

[@andycampbell85]

So true. In every case it comes down to pressure testing. If you don't work against realistic pressures then you will never know if you can actually perform when it matters.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

I think so too

[@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328]

@@MartialArtsJourney And I personally think that "pressure testing" is one of the most overrated concepts out there right now. It is the "word of the day" that will soon be rightly forgotten. Quite simply not every martial art can be sufficiently "pressure tested". It works in JJ and BJJ, it works in wrestling, and in boxing. It works only partially in Judo, and it doesn't work at all in martial arts that utilize bare knuckle strikes (or kicks) to vulnerable areas. When I was a child I grew up in a place that was similar to Rokas'. There were fights every day, and soon you knew what worked or did not. That was pressure testing, and most people took up Judo or Ju Jutsu or wrestling because they worked in after school fights. However...virtually no one had to literally "fight for their lives". Same thing right now: BJJ works when pressure tested, but it is still a game. You are not fighting for your life. From my experience the only truly legit martial arts are those that utilize strikes and kicks to vulnerable areas. I have seen them "pressure tested" in life and death situations, and know that they work.

[@amirzakrishan]

10 years ago I spent a few months learning KravMaga in Stockholm Sweden. It was an excellent experience. Besides self defense techniques, one of the few lessons I still remember were avoid fight, fight if you have to but escape whenever the opportunity arises, use any method to overcome the opponent even as simple as scream right in the ear or bite it off to get out of their hold and run. The most common drill we used to do was palm strikes on the face (punch pad instead of real face :)). My first day I remember one of the instructor was asking every new arrival “why you chose Krav Maga?” my honest response to him was “there is no belt system in KM”. After moving to US, I’ve been looking for a proper KM gym in DMV region, went to one but that was nothing like what I learned before. The gym I went for trial told me about the belt levels among other things, I developed doubt in their KM authenticity at that moment, unfortunately it turned out to be true after the first class. All the gyms I’ve found online are teaching KM in addition to Japanese or Korean M.Arts so I’m not sure whether they are genuinely teaching KM or just added that to their inventory of services to attract customers. Really looking for a good place, please make recommendations.

[@bigrecordzinc4559]

I start my krav maga journey tomorrow.. I'm soo excited

[@amirzakrishan]

@@bigrecordzinc4559 Happy for you. How is it going?

[@wolfpack9008]

Dont study krav maga as the main martial art..study boxing, judo, mma then add krav marga..then it will be super effective

[@craiglyle2966]

LOL

[@richcapo]

I really just think if you spar heavily and frequently enough, Krav will mold you into someone who can handle themselves well on the streets. It’s a jack of all trades when it comes to conventional fighting and a master when it comes to things like restraint breaks and bat defenses, which makes it great in my book. Just avoid the McDojos (of which there are in any art) by doing your research: Call ahead, ask if they spar, and observe some sessions. If the sparring is intense enough, great. Give the place a shot. If not, keep looking. Eventually you’ll find something.

[@anthonyhutchins2300]

If you're going to do Krav just make sure your instructor is advanced in other martial arts... With evidence.

[@MaxLohMusic]

I think what matters even more is how the classes are run. It wouldn't matter if your instructor is the literal UFC champion if your class consists only of choreographed moves. In many krav gyms they don't allow sparring until P3 or above; IMO I'd try to find one that has sparring classes open to beginners.

[@kaen4299]

@@MaxLohMusic But on the other hand, i doubt a UFC champion would design his classes around choregraphed moves, that's kinda paradox.

[@MaxLohMusic]

@@kaen4299 I think it happens fairly often, maybe not specifically with UFC champions, but many expert martial artists in their style who trained very realistically growing up, crossed trained in combat sports etc. are perfectly happy taking people's money and making them think they know how to fight, instead of teaching them how to fight. And I think there are some gyms which have the name/endorsement of a UFC fighter attached to them, and they don't teach real MMA sparring. Probably if the UFC champion were literally there instructing in person, it would be less likely to happen

[@kaen4299]

@@MaxLohMusic But what would be the benefit of teaching that way if you can teach the real thing? Isn't it rather a disadvante to risk your reputation instead of standing out with good teaching among all those McDojos? With most McDojos it's understandable because their insctructors can't teach the real thing even if they wanted to. On another note, it's kinda funny to see you that often watching the same videos as me and on Quora too lol.

[@MaxLohMusic]

​@@kaen4299 orly? Nice lol. Well the benefit is not enough people call bs on McDojo's so you still get more money from people who can't tell the difference between thinking they know how to fight vs actually learning to fight. Sadly there's a huge market for false confidence and too many people are willing to shell out money for it. I think it also depends on what area/country you're in. In California it's common to either have no-sparring gyms, or even if it's a real gym they separate their actual MMA fighters from everyone else, and hobbyists/enthusiasts who don't want to competitively cage fight will only get no-sparring training

[@michaelbeard6891]

I’m not saying there aren’t Krav instructors that suck or need more training but I trained with Sam Sade and I have zero complaints. He taught me a shit ton and I’ve used it when I had to. Thanks Sam 🙏🏻

[@SilverbackGeurrilla]

I tried to get my buddy to come learn Muay Thai and BJJ and he joined a Krav school.🙄

[@alexthecarpenter9895]

You mean ex-buddy? 😉

[@danielwoodsthelastblaxionh7626]

@@alexthecarpenter9895 exactly

[@lucian5389]

Let him train for a while and then have a friendly light sparring match, if he's not dumb he should immediately see the difference in skill level, or just grapple and submit him without throwing a single punch, people fucking hate that, its an absolute ego destroyer to get thrown around by a BJJ guy to someone who doesn't know anything about grappling

[@garybolenable]

@@lucian5389 - He would probably just take the Aikido out and say that he couldn't do any of his moves because they were too deadly. :)~

[@shawnsmith2610]

@@lucian5389 Well you know crap about Krav Maga because it is a complete martial art and one of the best but what do expect BJJ people and Gracie's spend most of there time on ground moves unlike most other arts.

[@TheCCBoi]

I got into Krav around 2006-7 and boy things have gone down hill since then. Way too many Krav organizations, no sparring, less focus on combatives and more on self-defense like taking guns from people etc (When I started most schools didn't teach it until later grades). Krav is mostly aggression training and most schools now don't teach it the way it's supposed to be trained. The only way to get any krav maga that's any good (that focuses on combatives and aggression) is to go to Israel and get trained directly by the government and IDF at the WIngate Institute.

[@TheCCBoi]

@@Digitalcataloghub i started krav while going to a mma school that had bjj, judo and kickboxing - i would definitely recommend the route you’re taking. I think krav should mostly be a part-time martial art for stress and aggression training. Also, when choosing a krav school - make sure your instructor has a base in something else. Instructors who purely trained in Krav Maga tend to live in a fantasy world. I was lucky that both my Krav instructors were competitive muay thai fighters before starting Krav Maga - so received great combatives training and sparring.

[@TheCCBoi]

@@Digitalcataloghub I wouldn't worry too much about the disarms. I've known people who have used them in real life, but any good Krav instructor will tell you that they're your last ditch effort and it will most likely not work. But, you will have a greater chance of survival than someone with no knife training. Aggression and stress training are the best aspects of Krav Maga. You should watch this video that breaks down what's wrong with civilian Krav. It's a conversation between a former IDF special operator and a former Krav Maga Instructor. It's similar to this video but a lot longer and more in-depth on the subject. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bl67YaCjmd2Kn6M

[@SandaBoxing]

Bull 💩 , there are plenty of videos of Krav Maga in Israel and they suck just the same as the one in the US.

[@TheCCBoi]

@@SandaBoxing Krav Maga is just the boxing of muay thai, the basic throws of judo, the basics of BJJ and most of it's self defense techniques are from Judo self-defense (old Kanno Judo) and a little of Japanese JuJutsu - with some techniques being 100% Krav origin. If Krav doesn't work, then the other arts don't work. Krav Maga was invented to take untrained civilians and teach them the basics of fighting and make them extremely aggressive in stressful and dangerous situations (or avoid danger in the first place) and make them soldiers. US Army combatives and Marine Corp MCMAP operate off the same principles and would probably perform at the same level of a Krav Practitioner. No one should go into Krav thinking they're a UFC fighter, because they're not and it wasn't invented for that. It's made for street fighting and street fighter requires a lot LESS skill than ring fighting. Finally, I've trained in Muay Thai, BJJ and Judo. I've seen many practitioner of those arts crap all over Chinese martial arts. They watched a few videos or demos and completely close their minds to it while ignoring shuai jiao, sanda or the practical applications of Kung Fu. That mentality is counter to the MMA mindset - any martial art (excluding chi martial arts) have something valuable in them and can improve your base fighting system. Instead of watching a few videos online and immediately attacking. Find a legit Krav Maga school and try it. Keeping an open mind and trying new stuff is the true MMA philosophy and attacking something without proper research, experience or tribalism is just a rebranding of the closed mindedness seen in traditional martial arts practices.

[@SandaBoxing]

@@TheCCBoi Calm down. I trained Krav Maga for fun already for quite a while and it was from one of the good gyms with real MT & BJJ. But most of the real fighters didn't bother with KM b/c it's for the weaker people, especially women and old people. The videos online proves this.

[@99Michael]

The Krav Maga classes I took ten years ago originally sublet space from Taekwondo studio after hours. We worked on cardio and staying in the fight. Punching the pad to the point of exhaustion getting up from the ground and when you could run away at the first opportunity. I loved it. We did contact sparring in padding with control, focusing on practicing blocks and countering in short bursts. The school moved into a larger building, and the classes grew in size. Suddenly people that I had trained with for a year or so were taking trainer classes "invitation only" and going off to be ranked or tested at World Wide Krav coming back to teach classes. Wanting to enroll my son in the children's class that was unavailable at the time, I went to (hold your breath) a Gracie BJJ and MMA academy. After a month of watching adults train and roll while waiting on kids' classes, I knew the techniques and drills I learned as a Green Level Krav Maga student paled compared to the talent in front of me. I resigned from Krav and put on the white belt of BJJ with great humility. My opinion of Krav Maga is it doesn't have enough depth of training to warrant black belt status ( Many of the KM students had a black belt within three years of training where I had advanced to blue belt in BJJ ). I feel Krav Maga is a great two-year program for basic self-defense and getting in shape. My complaint is KM instill a false sense of bravado in the students, especially with women feeling with their deadly IDF Commando fight tactics go toe to toe on the street. I see pictures of the old school on FB, and the classes are composed of chubby women and overweight men in black teeshirts and I think of Cosplayers. No disrespect to people enrolled in KM, and I did benefit in the early years training, but I know after 10 years of BJJ and MMA, with a few tournaments behind me, you may want to explore other schools.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

"My complaint is KM instill a false sense of bravado in the students" That's literally what it was designed to do to the IDF members who were trained in it. The style was specifically designed to draw out aggression and instill overconfidence so they would be less likely to back down in a fight in spite of having minimal training. Good fitness from a very basic military workout regime on top of a simple "martial art" which convinces you that you're unbeatable to make you more aggressive is *EXCELLENT* for rapidly churning out competent soldiers. It's the exact opposite of a good idea for a self defense class where you should be encouraged to avoid fighting where possible.

[@99Michael]

@@a-blivvy-yus We taught the history of Krav maga and its founder Imi Lichtenfeld, "The goal in Krav Maga is to keep one safe. In a violent situation; there are no rules. You need to do anything in your power not to get hurt. What does “everything in your power” mean? Taking preventative measures comes first. Be aware and avoid violence. You can prevent yourself from getting into a danger zone by keeping your eyes and ears open. If you see a problem around you, stay away. If you have no choice then a kick to the groin, spitting, biting, gouging, and hair-pulling are all very legitimate. Never escalate the situation and remember; fighting is the last resort." We taught to defend and exit ASAP even by John Whitman when he taught seminars at the school.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

@@99Michael That's not how it was used by most involved in the military side of training it though.

[@99Michael]

@@a-blivvy-yus The article wasn't about Krav maga training in the military but in academies in the civilian world and my shared experience was with Krav Maga Worldwide.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

@@99Michael ...and my comment was specifically related to the aspect you mentioned which relates to the military angle. Which is why I specifically referenced that in my comment.

[@calvinmurry1096]

I don't care who you are when it comes to real self defense. To survive is to realize the LESS you do is better. Stay away from fine motor tactics on the street. Stick to gross motor tactics. Keep your feet balanced and on the ground. Limit all that bouncing and spinning and kicking. Stick to low and mid level kicks. Expect a fight to turn from punches to bats or knives or guns. Most real altercations only last a few minutes. So finish as fast as you can and get the heck out of the area. The successful fighter is the one who practice situational awareness and avoid altercations in the first place. A true martial art skill. If you cant avoid or deescalate the encounter then NEVER use your fancy chops and spinning back kicks when there is a brick or pipe nearby. Skip all the chokes and triangles. While you are snaked up like that your attacker is pulling out his knife and trying to saw off your leg. Or his gun and emptying the clip in your crotch. Its life or death. The survivor will emerge in a couple minutes. That's how long these altercations take. And never forget your endurance. You get exhausted and weak real quick. Then you are really in trouble. Avoidance and situational awareness are your go to tools. Learn basics and fundamentals of krav or bjj or muy thai. Learn survival on the street. A quick example from my past ( i am 71 now). A guy was hassling me in a supermarket. Wherever i would go he would come behind me running off at the mouth. So i rolled my cart down the hardware aisle. I was looking for drain cleaner or wasp spray. I grabbed the wasp spray. Allowed the guy to walk up on me. I took the wasp spray and lathered his face. Then calmly walked out the store and drove home. Fight over.

[@boshirahmed]

Yes.. But how many people in your class would u trust with your life.. Not attacking u.. Most gyms do not teach both.. U cant make money from self defence, thats why sport is more attractive.. Most people will find self defence boring as they want to get in shape. Perhaps in the future mma self defence will be the future.. I do both, but most people find self defence embarassing as it involves roleplay..

[@calvinmurry1096]

@@boshirahmed perhaps I should clarify. Your enemy is not the person attacking you. Your enemy is SHOCK. Most people don't die from their wound. They die from shock. The two greatest assets in a martial artist arsenal is FLOW and WARRIOR MIND. There is no textbook that will teach you how to get up after you have been stabbed or shot several times. Except the warrior mind. No textbook will teach you how to take a bullet and keep moving forward in order to disarm. Many not all schools teach knife by having two guys face each other. That's fantasy. You will usually get stabbed from the side or from the rear. Which means you have already been wounded several times before you realize you have been attacked. So what do you do then? How do you survive that situation? You have to first defeat yourself ( your mind telling you that you are dying) which is shock. The warrior mind says: as long as I am still breathing I am not dead. Guess what? Instead of the body FLIGHT response the warrior mind will activate your FIGHT response. If you are going to learn martial art of any kind-- find the teacher who emphasizes the warrior mind. And the RIGHT techniques will follow. Now FLOW is necessary to PROPERLY apply the technuques you learn. Flow is that state of mind where you zone out. You become the bo staff. The gun. The knife. You don't have the mindset that you are holding a weapon. You ARE the weapon and one move flawlessly flows into another. Be like water. A fight is like a dance. And the thought of losing or dying will never enter your mind-- that paralyzing fear. Seek those schools that emphasize your warrior mind. Then supplement with technique. Avoid the mcdojo and the spectacular spins and flips. Develop warrior mind and flow and you won't need all that spectacle. Because you with situational awareness will avoid or deescalate rather than thinking your tomo nage is so special. Rather than a spiritual respect for all life. And death.

[@M_K-Bomb]

Good to see Krav Maga being called out for how it commercialises quick training to become an instructor. I also never trusted the block and strike simultaneously that Krav Maga teaches. You can't put full power into your strike if your focus is on blocking a full intent strike.

[@Cuffsmaster]

Yeah that simultaneous block and strike thing is a waste of training in my opinion.

[@Cuffsmaster]

@@madmoonrabbit All my self defense training was geared around boxing as a foundation. However that was many years ago. I am sure most would consider my training obsolete now and they may be right. The big weakness was that I didn't get enough boxing training. In addition "back in the day" there was little ground training.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

Simultaneous block and strike actions are not just useful, but important. That said, they're far from "build your entire fighting style around it" important. There are scenarios where it's a valuable tool, but there are many more situations where you specifically want to not be doing that. I learned a number of simultaneous block and strike actions while I studied karate, but they were all - as all such moves will be - *very situational* tools.

[@M_K-Bomb]

@@a-blivvy-yus One of my biggest hang-ups about the simultaneous block and strike is that I felt self-defence was hitting hard and causing injury to quickly finish the fight. Not a trading blows like in sports combat. Also, I feel this type of thing is reliant on co-operation or knowing what exact strike and where they are throwing it. I can agree to deflect a strike early on can let you land a strike of your own. Not a full powered one but still one worthwhile. But, ultimately I don't feel confident with that type of thing being prominent in a self-defence curriculum. A traditional martial art I wouldn't complain about. And, chances are it would be practised and improved on in a longer time period.

[@M_K-Bomb]

@@madmoonrabbit I think you're talking about a pretty different approach. The Krav Maga simultaneous block and strike is when you enter in with an arm raised up blocking out their strike and your striking with your other hand. Plus chances are their strike isn't a simple jab led alone a lazy or boring jab. It's a full-powered punch, usually a hook (as I've seen).

[@USLethal]

One thing in love about BJJ is that it teaches hyper realistic group attack and weapons based scenarios where spending too much time on the ground or focusing on pulling off an extensive technique can get you killed.

[@deaneng8540]

I think you have it backwards?

[@benjaminlucas1635]

I think it might suffice to check out the instructors credentials first to see if he actually is any good.

[@g.h._4968]

right. i recently switched also to an online-training. and now, after 2 weeks i already feel very confident. in 6 months i can earn the opaque belt. i am so excited.

[@radpantz2472]

I've had several people that have come over from Krav. They couldn't fight very well. But their spirit is always solid.

[@weichmacher3973]

How you know they can't fight very well? You probably fought with rules in sparring, they didn't learn that, they learned dirty fighting. So please mess in their discipline not in yours.

[@radpantz2472]

@@weichmacher3973 where do I begin. Ive been teaching for 14 years. So I def know what it looks like when someone doesn't know how to fight. But first range management was non-existant, responsiveness was jerky and sporadic. Even of they sparred with "no rules " they should still have timing, confidence, gaging, and footwork. We spar with minimal rules like no groin strikes and watch the face. We don't point spar. If some one tells you that what you know is too dangerous to spar with is full of poo. They're hiding the fact they're selling B.S. regaurdless if someone has learned to fight or spar and they don't have the ability to transition between rules and no rules then they haven't been trained well.

[@Zelielz1]

Trained Krav Maga for 5 years, luckily with a good instructor, sparring included. Most good instructors left the organization when it became a fast black belt business rather than real self-defense. I left it too. But what I can say is that it really depends on the org and instructor, because I have seen KM defeating boxers.

[@quasar4601]

Krav has turned into karate !!! You don’t see any karate schools because it don’t work and watered down

[@ThomasKranias]

"because I have seen KM defeating boxers" , what was the rule set? cuz i find hard to believe that a pure krav maga student can defeat in sparring a real boxer. I have practised krav maga 8 years and boxing for 5 years.

[@Zelielz1]

@@ThomasKranias Boxing rules and Kms breaking them haha. But that would happen in real life too, you do what you practice.

[@ThomasKranias]

@@Zelielz1 km with no boxing backround dont understand the distance. they will be floored before even attemtp a dirty technique, on a boxer . Trust me i have sparred with many kms in krav maga rules ( no rules) . All i am saying is to beat a trained fighter u need more than krav maga. U need to be a trained fighter too using krav maga.

[@Zelielz1]

@@ThomasKranias Clearly boxing plus km puts you on another level. But let me give you two examples, two friends experienced the same thing with boxers, they kicked them in the nuts before getting approached, one passed out, the other had to stop the fight. I'm not saying you don't need distance and striking abilities, but a good instructor and let's say 5 years of experience will give you the chance to get out of a fight alive, it doesn't mean winning, just, surviving.

[@skittleharbor]

I would love to see you review the Fight Quest Episode of krav maga, those were two MMA fighters who traveled the world exploring different martial arts including Krav Maga

[@mutant0177]

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[@kimbarker9651]

Krav is real. Lots of schools don't do it justice. Lots of people running their mouths

[@themyrmidon2181]

Good stuff guys. Thanks.

[@sensam6155]

I've been practicing combat sports for years, and I never, ever, ever confuse it with ''self-defense''. In fact, in my opinion real ''self-defense'' doesn't exist beyond COMPLY and do what the bad guy says. Give the bad guy what he wants so he doesn't try to kill you. I think it's because I grew up in a country where no amount of kungfu or karate could help you from the bad guys who were routinely shooting people, cutting people's heads off, or hanging people off bridges. Heck, every now and then they would throw grenades into police stations, or drive by with machine guns and shoot hundreds of rounds into them. In Mexico you let the military handle the bad guys with armored vehicles, helicopters and BIG machine guns. There was once a Krav Maga-like instructor who famously started teaching self-defenses courses to prevent getting kidnapped, and partially as a joke the Cartels proceeded to immediately kidnap him. When I was kidnapped in 2011, I defended myself by doing exactly what the kidnappers told me because they were four guys, I was one, they had guns I didn't. They were literally like 5'5 130 lbs each, I was painfully aware I could destroy them in a fight; but if I had tried that I'd probably be dead right now. On a different occasion when I got pointed at with an AK47 because I watching a few guys doing something illegal I stared at my feet until they went away because otherwise they would have shot me from 40 feet away. Krav Maga, Aikido, MMA, BJJ, Muay Thai, etc isn't going to do SHIT against real bad guys with real weapons. Combat Sports are for sports, street fights are for hobos, bar fights are for rowdy drunks, but nothing is for real bad guys with real weapons; and the fact that Krav Maga pretends to prepare you to superhero your way out of that shit is ridiculous. I think most people who want to learn ''self defense'' are retroactively trying to prepare themselves for beatings that bullies gave them in high school. No one on the sidewalk is waiting to fight you one-on-one with his bare fists, my guy. Do Muay Thai because it's cool, do MMA to do amateur competitions, do Aikido because you like the robe and Japanese culture, but don't fool yourself into role-playing scenarios where you kill three terrorists and save the day.

[@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328]

I gave this a negative after reading the first two sentences (because they are patently wrong) but switched to a thumbs up after reading the entire comment as it makes a great deal of sense - except the first two sentences. Of course, when faced with four machine gun wielding guys you either comply or try to act knowing that you will get killed (sometimes it is better to get killed than to comply as there are fates worse then death). However, knowledge of martial arts CAN save someone's life - and it has, probably millions of times. I personally am aware of about a dozen of such instances. To me, that is the essence of self defense, not trying to be an action hero.

[@sensam6155]

@@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328 I dunno man, I think a large handful of your ''dozen of such instances'' are likely suffering from a case of confirmation bias. Did it ''help'' in a confrontation that turned hostile? Yeah, I'm sure the confidence, assertiveness and even forceful application of will happens On Da Streetz from time to time. But I highly doubt you know twelve people who ''saved their lives'' by punching and kicking someone who was genuinely attempting to kill them on the spot.

[@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328]

@@sensam6155 Think what you want, it is your right.

[@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328]

You know, the funny thing about the internet is that we don't really know who other people really are, what they experienced, how long they lived and what they've done. I don't like to volunteer that information either, but I do know what I know, and that is from experience and not from watching martial arts movies...

[@sensam6155]

​@@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328 What you say is true. But one must also maintain their critical thinking. Occam's razor would have believe it's less likely that you know more than twelve people who survived attempted murders using techniques they learned in a martial arts club than you having heard a few embellished stories of people's encounters on da streetz that would likely have been solved without their death even if they'd never taken a single martial arts class.

[@DaanSnqn]

This whole "military martial arts" thing just seems like bs to me. Aren't soldiers supposed to rely on their guns for the most part? You're in trouble, what do you do? Shoot your gun. You're in big trouble, what do you do? Call in an A-10 warthog (plane with big gun). Hand to hand should be your last resort when you already fucked up several times.

[@dosomething3]

As someone who trained a few years in krav maga - I don’t understand the problem with it. It’s useful against knives, baseball bats, guns, in do or die situations. Which could arise in our “wonderful” world.

[@boshirahmed]

That is good, but if that is all you do, you would be out of shape, you need mma, sparring plus good cardio.. I did combatives for three months, knife stuff, then asked a thai boxing to attack me whilst holding a weapon, he punched me in the head, basically i got so addicted with knife training, i put on three stone and was out of shape.. Problem is krav is good but it attracts people who dont want train hard to get in shape.. Its a shame, because some mma guys would be clueless in a real life situation, as weapons and multiple attackers.. Its expensive to do both as most people do not teach both.. Thank u..

[@boshirahmed]

@@elenchus My point is that you need both, but its too unusual for people to learn that now. Both would be excellent, I do both, but its hard to find a place that does both. In the future like the UFC it might change things, when guys realise its a different skill set and makes one on one fighting obselete. When something becomes a sport and entertaining then it becomes mainstream. EG bareknuckle is popular now, however its too graphic to become more popular.

[@loukrupkin6875]

WOW, where do I start? Krav Maga saved my life twice. I was attacked by terrorists with knife attacks 2 times. I was lucky both times in that I was situational aware and saw the attacks coming. Although I teach that if you are in a knife fight, you probably will get stabbed and or cut. Both times, I was neither. Again, I was lucky. I studied karate before being drafted into the IDF. I studied karate after and have also taken other martial arts training. It is the philosophy of Krav Maga that keeps me alert. As others mentioned, Krav Maga is not really a style, but a mindset. Although there are many techniques taught in Krav Maga that are standard, a true Krav Magaist implements multiple diciplines. I always explain that there are many styles and I am not one to say one is bad or one is better. The best one is the one that keeps you safe and alert. For me that Is Krav Maga and I enjoy training and teaching that real Krav Maga from the IDFadding many other things that I have learned. Remember, if I give you a dollar bill and ask for change, there are 293 possible ways to change the bill. Same with self defense.

[@TheGholiday]

Like all styles there are good and bad schools. I studied Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu back in the eighties when they were serious about what you were taught and the goal was to be street effective. I truly cherished my black belt and felt I’d earned it. As a police officer, I only used my ninjutsu techniques, much to the disapproval of my superiors, as police approved techniques were often ineffective against those with knives, glass bottles or who were high on meth. I now see the Togakure Ryu dojo’s don’t exist anymore and one dojo who having trained with Masaaki Hatsumi offer a one year black belt course, which to me is not possible. No wonder ninjutsu is now considered a joke martial art.

[@dkingfitness]

I am a krav maga instructor but i was a competitive martial artist for a long time i am 100 agree with him on the quality control point and yes krav maga is not a martial art its just a way to condition your mind to react under stress and not panicking . Quality is the ultimate key and yes its just a cherry on top if you are well trained in martial arts and ppl who think they can train for a month or two and become untouchable are just naive . you have to spend years and years of training as a martial artist and then you can incorporate krav maga .

[@manishjha3990]

Good video! I had good fortune of training with an Israeli army veteran during my JKD training in yesteryears. That guy was literally hardcore. He mentioned that apart from army wherever he went to so called Krav Maga institutes, he was hugely disappointed. He made a logical argument that krav maga techniques are mostly aggressive and taken from other martial arts to apply in a life threatening situation. This is the main reason why it is chosen for mostly defense forces along with few other like kali, silat. When it comes to civilian training, this very basic essence is missing. it is like any other martial arts. People need to understand it is not a martial arts, it is a defense system. But anyways, all in all I like this system a lot along with Systema (Russian). Just wished there would be more authentic training facilities.

[@SandaBoxing]

You and your friend are clueless. Just search "Israeli army Krav Maga sparring"; they suck.

[@manishjha3990]

@@SandaBoxing So you have based your opinion upon YT videos, if I am not wrong? We believe what we see mate, so all good. I take your word for it...🤘🏻

[@SandaBoxing]

@@manishjha3990 I've trained Krav Maga, girl. Not only that, but sparred a bunch of them and whooped 90% of them pretty easily.

[@manishjha3990]

@@SandaBoxing sure you had mate..

[@SandaBoxing]

@@guangarmy9246 hey thanks, VC.

[@ryanthompson3446]

It only takes a few years in wrestling and jiu jitsu or judo to know krav and other bs is bullshido when you see it, none of it is representative of a fully resisting opponent.

[@richardcheese8237]

I sont think you found real krav maga. I trained krav maga years ago as my first martial art and we sparred alot even with training knives sticks and guns. You've seemed very biased in your videos I've seen since you've switched to mma.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Could it be that you are biased for Krav Maga?

[@richardcheese8237]

@@MartialArtsJourney not likely considering ice practiced other martial arts including mma.

[@drgwbrucel]

I did Krav on and off for over 10 years, went to 4 or 5 different schools, but reached a similar conclusion. I started training Urban Combatives, which seems to me much more functional. I saw people in krav classes that had been for years, but felt they would have no hope if attacked in the street. I got my striking skills from Muy Thai training and was doing BJJ and wrestling before covid days. Need to get back into it.. just hitting the punch bag atm. you should take a look at some UC videos and offer an opinion. :)

[@mitchjames9350]

Krav Maga most of the time is just a mix of Karate, Boxing, Wrestling, Judo, Japanese Jujitsu etc. Most of top Krav Maga instructors have black belts in various martial arts.

[@azarrel101]

Hum, no.

[@mitchjames9350]

@@azarrel101 yes they do.

[@kakobitiyoutuber7734]

How about training Krav Maga for about 6 months and than go to MMA? Observing 360`? Perhaps there are more than 1 attacker ? Cooling situation with guard up instead lower arms? Finishing quickly and walking away? Than you can use boxing, MMA .....?

[@vyasanh2010]

Which martial art should one take then? Which martial art is the most perfect one?

[@manishjha3990]

It again depends with what’s your purpose behind it? If it’s just fitness, anything will do, if it’s self defence you’re seeking than the approach would be different. However, please understand that every art is in itself is limited by its techniques. My suggestion would be to start with any striking art to develop your techniques, know your limits and from there you will be able to make an informed decision. I would start with boxing, kickboxing or Muay Thai if would have been in your place. Hope this helps.

[@vyasanh2010]

@@manishjha3990 Thanks for replying.👍

[@dima.96]

Shooting

[@transgenderedmuhammad8817]

Bjj and shooting a gun. That is all you need

[@TheFalla101]

Im a former IDF soldier and I trained krav maga, kickboxing and some mma in Israel for close to 6-7 years and I have to say, God I hate videos like this because it shows a total lack of understanding of what Krav Maga is. His main problem is that he comes from a fighting background and that like he said himself he focused "on teaching it exactly how he learned it". Many people from martial arts and in general make this mistake they think that Krav Maga is a martial art and focus on technique instead of the concept.KRAV MAGA IS NOT A MARTIAL ART. It's a philosophy of street fighting, Krav does not tell you this is how you block a knife attack. Krav Maga is telling you that when someone has a knife, your first priority is to get control of the weapon, the punching, kicking and blocking is secondary and is used only to help you gain control, the "technique" is just a way of trying to do it unlike boxing or judo where how you do the technique is really important. Krav is about adapting to a given situation while having a rough idea what to do. A great video I saw was someone in Israel stopping a knife attack. He didn't bother trying a technique he kicked the guy once and then collapsed a bookshelf on the attacker. It was amazing Krav Maga again no technique, what was important and the Krav Maga here was his situational awareness and his use of anything around him as a weapon. It is the same with people who send in sparring videos, why do people spar in Krav Maga classes doing kickboxing or whatever it's not because what's important is the kickboxing techniques, what's important is learning how to get punched In the face as they say, everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face. In a situation requiring real Krav Maga it shouldn't end with me trying to punch someone in the face it ends with me wacking you over the head with the bottle on the table next to me while you try punching (for example, people truly underestimate the advantages having a weapon gives you). What I will admit I see alot of here in the States that makes Krav maga ineffective here is two fold: a teaching of Krav Maga as a martial art (which it is not and as such ineffective) and a lack of intensity which prevents students from really developing aggression which is a cornerstone of Krav maga (aggression can make up for alot of lack of technique). This all makes sense when we put Krav maga into its historical context as a fighting system built for soldiers who do not have years or even months to learn bjj or whatever effectivly, ( the truth is as a soldier you have a gun ending up in a situation where youre doing hand to hand combat means that you have messed up really badly and as such soldiers are generally proficient with guns and spend a surprisingly small amount of time training hand to hand) it was developed to give these soldiers useful fighting skills in as limited time as possible in a non octagon setting and that's what it does.

[@tylerdurden4289]

One of the best comments I have read on KM. I did it for 5/6 years through the IKMF and the organisation was run purely by Israelis, and a lot were ex military. When people ask me about it I always say that Krav Maga is a mindset as much as it is a skill set

[@MrCmon113]

Bullshit. There's places that say "Krav Maga" at the door bell. They say they'll teach you how to fight and take your money. And most of the time, they don't teach you how to fight. Shove your excuses up your ass.

[@peakbagger7682]

Interesting knowledge. There are no KM schools in the Boston Area; so I was trying to teach myself by watching KZbin videos. Maybe I am wasting my time? I am planning to hike the Appalachian Trail (2,194 miles) in 2023 and wanted to add something to my ability to protect myself.

[@dosomething3]

Turned closed captions on - but still almost impossible to figure out what guest is saying.

[@GothamKnight84661]

Maybe you need an hearing aid!

[@ZesPak]

Over a course of 10 years I've seen many Krav Maga instructors. And as with everything... money ruins it. I've seen multiple schools just scaring away good instructors because they just want more money. Krav Maga, often adjusted, is a quite effective system if you have the right instructor. And pressure testing/sparring should be mandatory. It really learns you to take a hit. Edit: His comment at 5:20 is quite apt. If you don't go home with aches and bruises, you're doing something wrong. Agreed!

[@greghilbers4697]

Back in the 90’s I attended a Krav Maga class. I had been training in martial arts for 3 years. But I Always respected the Israelis military and Kray Maga was theirs. By the end of the class, I was really Disappointed, walked out, never to return.

[@quasar4601]

What did you join next ??

[@chrismalp7702]

I think that depends also with whom you learn krav maga and where... That's my humble opinion

[@fightingfitz214]

It really is a shame about Krav Maga. I did it for about 3 years and I had a brilliant instructor, but he had a strong background in both BJJ and Muay Thai which made his lessons very well rounded.

[@nicklasgudmundsson954]

Hello Rokas I am a huge fan of your channel I was just like you tricked into thinking that aikido was effective, I was wondering if you have seen the tv show samurai spirit where they have an episode focused on aikido if you haven’t I think you should do a review on it there they make aikido seem like it is effective self defense and it fooled me. Now when I have started to train in real effective martial arts i can’t believe I was fooled by it and the worst thing is that the shows host Nikolas petaz is a legitimate kickboxer and he just goes along whit it and pretend to try to fight them, it is really insane I think you should look it up iti is on KZbin sorry for this long rant keep up the good work you are an amazing person greetings from a Swedish jujutsu practitioner.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks Nicklas! That's a great idea to analyze the samurai spirit documentary 👊

[@nicklasgudmundsson954]

@@MartialArtsJourney Thank you Yes I think that would be great I remember when they are supposed to show that aikido is effective and they have two of petas students attack an aikido practitioner and they claimed that they had no chance against him but it is so painfully obvious that they don’t attack him for real the reason I feel so strongly about it is because I was thinking for many years that aikido was effective before I realized that I’ve been lied to so I can really relate to your story and you really inspire me to keep practicing and evolving thank you so Mutch Rokas you are indeed a true martial artist

[@ReaverSTHLM]

I've mostly done American Kenpo and from what I've understood there's a lot of overlap with Krav Maga, both in the intended applications and philosophy. Arguably the biggest issue in Kenpo was that we'd spend 90% of the time training things that would work, or indeed be relevant, 1% of the time or less. The yellow belt self-defense techniques were the most applicable, simply because they were the simplest. Whenever there's a Count Dante style sequence of moves that look all flashy and devastating, one must remember that the odds of every single strike landing the intended way and having the intended outcome is increasingly unlikely for each strike you add to the sequence. But the difficulty of mastering the technique increases exponentially. So the whole thing just gets harder AND less useful, and this is a pattern that repeats for each new belt (because each new belt came with 10+ new techniques one needed to master in order to level up). I actually became much better at applying what I'd learned in Kenpo after taking up Thai Boxing, including - and no disrespect to Mr. Phillips - blocking and striking at the same time. But that's not how it's supposed to work, is it? And it's definitely not what they advertise in those styles. Never do you see a disclaimer that says "warning, this style only applies in the specific circumstances you train in our dojo - you'll get your ass handed to you in a boxing ring". I think that fundamentally, self-defense styles like Kenpo or Krav Maga or Jeet Kune Do need to do two things to "fix" their curriculum: 1.) Build your striking fundamentals on the moves you can do at full power on focus mitts. Heavy Thai mitts, ideally. Practice them a lot. AND 2.) Build your striking funtamentals on what you can do in sparring with boxing gloves, headgear and leg protection on. Yes, it'll ultimately become a lot like kickboxing. But whatever the merit there may be to eye pokes, open-hand strikes, groin kicks and all the other specialized moves your style brings to the table, they are all dependent on, and will benefit from, the timing, range and so on that you learn from simply doing kickboxing. And then flip the time-spent-ratio around. Do those two things - focus mitts and sparring - 90% of the time, and spend 10% on whatever esoteric techniques you want, and you'll produce much better fighters. And much better self-defense practitioners too.

[@michaelswain868]

I think Krav Maga is dependant on the instructor, in Israel Krav Maga pretty much means "martial arts" there is no assurance of quality. I can guarantee though that some schools will definitely help you out... if you know nothing you would probably get more in 6 months of training there then any martial art that requires a long process like BJJ or alike. The school does not emphasize all the 156 scenerios and is more of a dirty boxing/kick boxing with take downs I find it is quite efficient. After I finish out the year I intend to move onto BJJ but I've done light sparring with my friend who is a blue belt and trained for a year to get there and with several months of Krav Maga he struggles to get in because I know the leg take downs and the rush in he wants to do and counter he never got me on the ground. On the ground he crushes me, I want to do BJJ because of the 'stress test' principle you talk about and the fact not many people even now have good take down defence it just seems like a huge advantage. But training Krav Maga for 10 months and taking some time off now cos I have a newborn... I have no regrets. The thing to point out is a 'military close combat' system is a few weeks of training, to drill something as a last resort.... Military guys are going to fucking shoot you, ambush you, stab you, outnumber you... The kinds of thing military do are a short refined set of moves for close quarters situations when in fact you look at any basic gun training and they will flat out tell you the vulnerability you have in close proximity. If you have a decent krav school it is definitely worth a look and if it is intensive it will teach you to flick a switch for aggression.... I know alot of people shit on krav for this and that, particularly the open palm thrusts, but you take an open palm at a slight angle above the top lip if you hit it properly and push that hurts like hell. As for other things like the knife and gun grabs well... you could try.... I personally thin you would be better grabbing anything, literally anything and throwing it at people and rushing them with a chair or something cos then you have a physical object between you and them decreasing the stab threat but thats me.... either that or run the fuck away.

[@nathanbarnes932]

If krav was so ineffective why do armies use it? especially the Israeli forces?

[@nathanbarnes932]

@@NetAndyCz True, however Krav as a self defence is legit as it’s used in real life conflicts amongst armed forces

[@NetAndyCz]

@@nathanbarnes932 Damn, KZbin censoring me for no reason again. Nah, I agree, Krav Maga at its core is legit. It is basically MMA without rules, stuff that worked in martial arts adapted to practical self-defence that is focused on techniques that are easy to teach and work in most scenarios. It is focused heavily on asymmetric combat, usually at a disadvantage, so it is hard to have real Krav Maga tournament. And some techniques cannot be easily used in scored match, because you cannot poke peoples eyes otherwise most fighters would be blind really fast. However Krav Maga is mainly a system of techniques that might help you out of difficult situation, it is mostly up to the users if they can and want to train their bodies to be effective against more potential attackers.

[@namelessman346]

Hi there. Nice channel, and nice Vídeo. I am from Brazil, but I can understand you clearly , your explanation is great. Thanks

[@GhostGuitars]

I went to a few sessions with a no-nonsense scottish guy running it. One session for example we were shown how to get out of a headlock. The technique worked but he said you will likely need to use this in the real world stressed and probably drunk. So we had to wail on a punch bag for a whole minute while slayer/pantera was blasting out to the point of exhaustion then your partner got you in a headlock. disorientating, and it showed if you really understood it. Some huge guy almost slammed me into an exercise bike in the corner of the room. Overall cool but a bit scary, which i think is how it should be if you are learning FIGHTING which is what it is

[@mauriceb9996]

Wow. KZbin is not...is not...the place to try and learn any self defense system. KZbin is about catchy or controversial titles, self advertising, making money from eyeballs and clicks! Now most store front self defense schools are largely a waste. They attract people who want to get fit. They attract people who want to loose weight. They attract kids. And last, they attract a very, very few people who really want to learn self defense and take it seriously. Regardless of the system (martial arts, boxing, MMA, self defense), if you are in it for self defense...it's about developing a mind set. A mind set that includes a number of factors: 1. Situational awareness, being able to recognize situations, being able deescalate a situation, knowing how to remove yourself from a situation. Knowing when the situation is at a tipping point. 2. Determining if you're going to be on defense or offense. 3. Leveraging the element of surprise. 4. Confidence (comes from real situation practice)...in going the full measure to protect yourself. 5. Once you commit to using your skills, be quick, decisive and effective. Very seldom are you going to get that type of training from a store/retail setting. You will likely need to find a private instructor or a studio that focuses purely on developing these aspects.

[@dilly2000]

Hi. Great stuff. I think you should do more videos on interviewing people that have “defected” from their brain washed beliefs... this could be from corrupt governments, religions, companies ... might be fun.

[@TheEnneagram]

ALL governments are corrupt and always have been, by definition.

[@DanielOrtiz-dl8eo]

Bjj is a brainwashed belief... just saying

[@thenicestguy2748]

What do you think about Nick Drossos? he has a self defence channel. I think he is good. Would love your opinion on it. Thankyou

[@restistance4387]

I have been doing MA for most of my life.And i have been in a lot of street altercations.I can tell you from experience Nick Drossos is one of the best to learn from.The problem is finding a partner to train with while going over his content.

[@nathanhale8879]

You could’ve made this video about 10 seconds long by simply stating, you didn’t do any research before signing up for a martial arts program so I quit a garbage dojo after I realized I was stupid for not doing my research. Bam! Video done. Can’t blame the system when you’re the fool for not doing your homework on what you look for. See that was easy. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say this video is as useful as your Krav dojo you attended.

[@danielsimms4262]

How can you know how it works if no one is doing it? That is why it is important people like this report on what they done. Don't be a dickhead.

[@OTSOBerg-pn5gm]

You are a very butt hurt Krav guy Nathan.

[@elizajames477]

The military fight with guns and rarely expect hand to hand combat. Why people are attracted to military self defence styles I don't know. The whole point is that they're trying to provide some level of effectiveness from very limited training. If you want to train seriously, you'll want to spend much more time in hand to hand training than the average soldier, and over.more than 2 years.

[@rashidmartialarts9513]

Well done. Keep it up

[@elaines5750]

I loved training in Krav. I did two years and achieved a yellow and an orange belt. It was very intense and my instructor was amazing. He was a brown belt. To show how aggressive a training Krav is, I ended up in the ER after I achieved my orange belt. Had to stop due to a personal scheduling conflict. Would love to return to it.

[@MarkMark-xz4ff]

Why did getting your orange belt send you to the Emergency Room? Were you strangled with it?

[@elaines5750]

@@MarkMark-xz4ff hardy har har. You want me to answer yes to that idiotic question? No, my partner elbowed me in the mouth and my bottom teeth went through my lip. I finished my belt test, then went to the ER and got stitches in my lower lip. It's okay. My partner got his nose broken by someone else so I feel vindicated lol. Krav is not for the weak, scared, faint of heart or chicken. Cheers.

[@mutant0177]

Rokas, I have a serious question: Do you think it is enough to judge krav in this case by Videos and an Interview with someone who left the style? It is like asking an ex-girlfriend 😄 You did years of Training in aikido and intense MMA... so what about a Training time at the best krav maga Institution after the lockdown? I challenge you 😉

[@shawnsmith2610]

Most people that say this art or that art is bs have never faught a person good at that art in there life they have no idea what there even talking about.I have seen plenty of people bad ass at krav maga even at least one woman.

[@mutant0177]

@@shawnsmith2610 I can understand the mindset of the people. If they do not spar (like us) and no one uses it in the UFC, than it is bs. Furthermore is a really big disadvantage that everyone can say it is krav maga what he does because it is not a "trademark". More over sports are made for that rulesets and for sparring. As I heard krav in the US as it is practised is offen all about Fitness. I do not think that there are many schools in Europe/ Germany where is no sparring applyed BUT it is offen a szenario Training and not open sparring like in sports. The fact that most practitioners are amateurs with around 3 or 4 hours a WEEK and not per day comes on top. Many issues what people do not get through there sports vision.

[@AlphaToOmegaXG]

Yes it is enough. Because his experience is the same exact experience as the majority of people. I mean if people who actually want to be skilled fighters, or fight ready in a real world situation.

[@mutant0177]

@@AlphaToOmegaXG So the answer to the martial arts problems is that everybody should train MMA in a good gym. Because traditional stuff do not work and self defence systems do not work. Excellent!

[@Cuffsmaster]

This is a good point. One of the problems I have with much of the critical looks at KM is they are comparing it to MMA or BJJ. These are competitive sports. Both or great but not really self defense even if they claim they are. I do not want to be on my back while fighting on the street or in a bar. If I am on my back then I want off it as quick as possible. You can't practice bare knuckle boxing very often. You have to be damn careful and can't go full speed, unless in a real fight Ask my poor hands as I have broke bones in both hands over the years. Plus sprung joints and both hands at different times. Even if you win you may get some damage to your hands or worse. You can't ever in training go full contact attacking some one in the throat - eyes - nuts. You must have protective gear on which in and of itself changes the game. Now no matter what they clam here you can't go 100 percent kickboxing or boxing all the time. It is not safe for your little brain to do so. You don't fight at 100 % all the time in a boxing match (some experience there) or in MMA or BJJ or Judo. You do however in a street fight go 100 % all the time or until you clearly have the upper hand. Street fights are much shorter than a 3 to 5 round MMA fight. I want something that gives me basic boxing - kicking - clenching - throwing - shooting - grabbling. The basics will allow you to win almost all fights. Fighting is about attitude as much as anything else.

[@garymasterson1174]

Thank you for the honesty. Quality control is a challenge in all combat training unfortunately. ATVB

[@richcapo]

I took Krav for a bit in 2017-2019 and only quit because my health went south. I developed very bad vocal cord dysfunction (VCD), which inhibits breathing when put under physical stress. Before that, though, I enjoyed Krav very much, and I thought it really helped me in my job as a bouncer. Among the things I liked most about the art: Krav has an effective stance in my opinion, and it stresses parrying ("inside defense") and blocking ("outside defense" and "360 defense"), which I found very effective and useful at work. And then there are its choke breaks and defenses against things like baseball bats, which I also think are very effective. (I've posted links to some great KM bat defense pressure testing videos several times on Rokas' channel, but he has never responded to them. Here are two: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZCcaGChZpehd5o and kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZu4hop7ba6noLc -- both from the MMA Krav Maga channel.) We did a lot of sparring at the schools I attended. Given my size and strength at the time -- 5'9.5" and well conditioned at 255 lb -- I was typically "the biggest man on the mat," and it could be difficult at times to find partners willing to spar with me, but I was usually able to find partners who were undeterred by my physique and were very much willing to, to put it mildly, beat the crap out of me. Probably my best sparring experience in Krav was one of the, if not the, last time I sparred. I suffered a pretty VCD attack that made me dizzy and saw me trip over some equipment and go down to my knees. My partner capitalized on this. Rather than let up, he escalated his attack, making it very hard for me to regain my vertical base. I managed to, though, despite my VCD attack, and was able to fight on for an additional minute (plus or minus). So my experience with Krav, short as it was, was great. Now, did it turn me into an MMA machine? I doubt it, but I wasn't there for very long; so who knows what I could have been had I stuck with the art? I was able to apply it successfully in real life against some locally trained wrestlers and fighters, though, at my bar -- and, yes, they were sober -- for whatever that's worth.

[@PartyLife4me]

I studied in China, Philippines and Korea with self defense. I tried to learn from each experience. I personally learned and felt my greatest experiences and results came from Korea. I had a slot to believe it or not to go to North Korea but then COVID hit. I'm 64 years old and can run circles around most people half my age in Hawaii.

[@SavedSnake]

Ok...idk...I don't think I can agree with this....Israeli military And marine operators are trained in judo, kick boxing, and krav maga....so I'm not sure if I can agree with this....maybe it's who teaches it & who learns it....idk..🤔 me personally I prefer to use muay Thai and wing chun mixed with C.Q.C with BLADES and FIREARMS.

[@dima.96]

@@elenchus of course martial arts skills are secondary for any operative activity since Bronze age, but if they learn you one they choose something which is easy to learn, yet effective because of efficiency is important in military. And IDF soldiers need to deal with knife attacks rather often, so this is something important.

[@OldBadger1]

@@elenchus It is probably the last skill taught and practiced for the battle field . The only guys that take it somewhat seriously are Anti terror units.

[@annachipalamvaazhai4274]

How does one start with the premise that the fundamental principles of a system are bad -and then conclude quality control a.k.a good teachers can make it useful somehow? Perhaps there is a third explanation. You.

[@ajax3070]

I did Krav Maga for six months and quit. When I started I came from a Muay Thai and wrestling background and my strikes where of much higher quality (power and quickness) than the other students who had been doing it for a couple years. Many of the techniques where performed with no resistance, most of gun gun disarms will not work against a gunman who is willing to pull the trigger and the knife defense would likely fail against a guy fully committed to sticking you. Overall I found that it was no more effective against multiple attackers or guns than boxing, Muay Thai or jujitsu. You're not winning against five guys who 100% want to hurt you and no matter what training you got, you need a weapon(gun or pepper spray) for multiple attackers. If anything the false sense of security sold by Krav Maga for stuff such as gun defense, knife defense and multiple attackers is harmful. You can take jujitsu to learn fundamental ground fighting and train how to strike the groin and eyes. The route I've personally taken is jujitsu, boxing and training dirty techniques(groin and eye strikes) on the side. But for self defense I use my OC spray, pistol and of course situational awareness. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY FIGHT/MARTIAL ARTS TRAINING!!

[@richardgomez1151]

I dod a few crav lessons . The 360 defence is not ment to block empty hand strikes but to block from sharp and hard objects the oponent can swing like a rock in his hand or a knive or piece of glass . Its no ment to block punches or kicks that way dough you can at times use it to do so if you want to

[@TheEnneagram]

First Aikido and now Krav Maga ... what’s next, Capoeira? Why not discuss something useful?

[@MartialArtsJourney]

I do. Feel free to watch those videos

[@stjarnornasfred]

Capoeira is just art and sport, not martial system. With music and theatrical fights. Do you have smth against it?

[@adamturowski3765]

@@stjarnornasfred It is all fine if it is not being promoted as a martial art. Similar thing applies to Tai Chi

[@boshirahmed]

@@stjarnornasfred yes.. When films promote it as self defence then idiots like me learn it.. Its fun but useless.. Im the fool for believing in movies.. Not everyone is a tough guy, tough guys can make yoga work..

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@stjarnornasfred Capoeira was a martial art at one time, with many of them having wrestling and striking experience and got involved in Vale Tudo in the early 20th century.

[@ezrasellies2851]

I really want to improve myself in real live self defense but i dont know much about martial arts, what do you all think?

[@MartialArtsJourney]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKazYaRtqqqIbNk

[@ezrasellies2851]

Thx

[@simontemplarGB]

Quitters eh? Inspiring stuff.

[@tomjeff1743]

Solution? Get your kids into wrestling as soon as they are old enough. Some kids start younger than 6 which may seem extreme to some parents but kids take to wrestling like ducks to water. A strong wrestling background makes somebody able to do pretty much any martial art later in life. You start your kid wrestling at 6 and he goes to practice a couple times a week for years and goes to several tournaments a year by the time he's 15 he's been in hundreds if not thousands of matches plus live wrestling and situational drilling in class. Somebody with that kind of background simply isn't intimidated by fear of fighting. And any kid who learned wrestling knows all the illegal moves too like full nelson's (from the front and rear), slams, suplays (legal in greco), armbars, keylocks, chicken wings, headlocks without an arm, groin grabs, biting, eye pokes, chokes (the assassin), etc, because they lose points if used in a match. But any high school wrestler can get dirty if need be. Even a legal spladle (banana split) can tear up hamstrings.

[@newmoonwithface]

so basicly train wrestling so you can know the illegal bjj moves? armbar and keylock are bolth bjj moves and if you look on yt theres almost no videos of wrestling beating bjj and if they do the wrestlers have a big size advantage. majority of the videos are about bjj dominating wrestling

[@BoxingForTheStreets]

I've sparred with lots of these Krav Maga's practitioners and destroyed them.

[@vyasanh2010]

In which martial art are you trained in?

[@BoxingForTheStreets]

@@vyasanh2010, Major in Boxing. I've also wrestled in highschool and college.

[@vyasanh2010]

@@BoxingForTheStreets do you think mma is superior martial art compared to the rest. I am interested in martial arts and want to start off. Confused between traditional and mma.

[@lucian5389]

@@vyasanh2010 MMA isn't a martial art, its a combination of the most effective martial arts. MMA by default will always be the best when it comes to fighting based on the nature of the sport so if you can find a good MMA gym you're set bro. If you cannot find a MMA gym training one of the martial arts that make up MMA would be your best bet, if you are more of a striker I would suggest Muay Thai, covers all the standing game, punching, kicking and clinching, if you are more of a ground fighter kind of guy id suggest Brazilian Juijitsu, most schools incorporate wrestling, judo and even some effective techniques from Aikido so you're completely covered when it comes to ground fighting.

[@TheEnneagram]

@@vyasanh2010 It all depends on your intentions. MMA is a combat sport. If you want to learn to fight, avoid combat sports and/or "self defense".

[@FightLab_Sanda]

Great interview. Thanks Rokas🙏