This Is Why Lady Stoneheart Was Cut From Game of Thrones!!!

Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire videos. In this video, I explain why Lady Stoneheart was cut from Game of Thrones. This is a question fans have had for many seasons, and now, we finally have the answer. Dan and Dave told James Hibberd, from Entertainment Weekly, three reasons why they left this mysterious character out of their series. In my opinion, this was a big mistake. Not only did millions of fans want to see Lady Stoneheart in Game of Thrones, but so did the author of the story, George R.R. Martin. Let me know what you think about these new developments. Thanks for watching the video!
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[@TalkingThrones]

My other Lady Stoneheart video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/on-WhnWPiJaDo5I

[@randyv8232]

I did not like season 8 myself but tbh i like many people didn’t read the books and probably wont ever, so maybe to us It doesnt matter if Stoneheart wasn’t included. Would including her really have improved the show for majority (i assume) that din’t read the books?

[@cookielove8174]

Gonna check it out now but I totally agree with everything you said👏👏👏 exactly how I would say it too 😂

[@Kamaakazii]

randy v you’re missing out

[@dedigaither3967]

Yes, it would have been excellent. Talking Thrones - I have enjoyed your theories/videos for sometime now. I drew a portrait collage of the series in 2017, I would like to send you a print of it out of gratitude to your videos made. I think you would appreciate it

[@johnsullivan7407]

She would have been a great addition, they left.too much out, and they sucked when books ended

[@BlazingOwnager]

The sweetest justice ever was D&D rushing GoT's final season and refusing to hand it off to anyone, only to get dumped by Star Wars.

[@matth3002]

And then they played it off like they didn't even want Star Wars and had better things to do anyway.

[@deannas2778]

Agreed.....the show was sooo good and they dropped the ball.

[@aegontargaryen9322]

I’d like to hear them say they made a mess of season 8 one day . At least the Star Wars people showed some common sense and dumped them . If HBO had bought them out they could have had another 5 seasons worth .

[@aegontargaryen9322]

@Leon Russell yea mate , I should take that back . It’s hard to say which was worse .

[@tidepride86]

@034bloodas It's pretty damn close, but I gotta go with Season 8 as the absolute worst lol.

[@Chris-qv5mc]

The illustration of Lady Stoneheart alone is 100x better than the final season.

[@rbasi25]

💯😂. I am just going to pretend season 8 did not happen 🤓🤓🤓

[@aegontargaryen9322]

GOT was really special . I’ve been watching movies and tv for over 50 years now and in my opinion it was the best show ever made . In the 2 year run up to season 8 whenever I thought that “surely 1season to wrap it up isn’t enough “ I would remind myself of how good the show was and that surely it was impossible to make a mess of it . Boy was I wrong , and in spades . All that’s left I suppose is to see DandD apologise .

[@____________838]

mis da best Never forget, never forgive.

[@hasnainrazzaq6746]

Not really bro

[@josephbuono5487]

The mcdonalds commercial before this video was better

[@BelgianBisous]

Having beric dondarrion return a million times without it costing him anything cheapens death. Having jon return as fully human with his entire personality, speech, body and bodily functions back cheapens death. Cat was, besides drogo, the most haunting example of the cost of resurrection. And her resurrection came at the cost of beric's life force. That's some pretty uncheap bargain there.

[@Harahvaiti]

Exactly. Beric's multiple resurrections were OK with them, Jon returning as dumber version of Ned Stark was OK with them, but Lady Stoneheart was not. Morons.

[@Elphba57]

In the show Beric did remark on how every time he came back he was less himself. Jon seemed too confused to actually appreciate the full gravity of his resurrection. He also wasn’t a convert to that religion. Drogo’s tragedy was a huge statement both in the show/books as well as in the real world about what it means to be alive vs what it means to live. There was some of that in Jon’s story in the show as well. He never understood why he got another chance at life when so many good men and women around him didn’t. And the show gave him no real “point” on that either. He didn’t defeat the Night King, he had to kill his insane lover and go back beyond the wall as punishment; which he likely didn’t mind because he was beyond caring too much about anything at that point ... and he had affinity to the North, and his most faithful and true love: Ghost. Cat’s tragedy was so profound. One by one she lost everyone (she thought). In the GOT universe of magic, mystery and spirituality not having many boundaries her being resurrected wasn’t done with her permission. She had lost her mind when she saw her eldest son die after her husband was executed, being told her youngest boys were likely dead and her girls were missing. She didn’t have anything or anyone to live for. It was appropriate and poetic that she came back as a monster. In real life, people that suffer as she did often become very different too. Walking dead people. I really respect your comments about how literature and entertainment finds ways to cheapen the true costs of death. In the young and impressionable, it risks being confusing because there is the danger that they don’t really get the fact that dead is dead and take risks they shouldn’t take with themselves and others or think that somehow they will get to see the impact their suicide has on the people who they are trying to make a point to. That was a thoughtful and necessary interjection into the comments that you made. .

[@dorinalakner9428]

Exactly

[@AnitaClue]

There's a reason Jon comes back okay...the warging. Lady Stoneheart and Beric show what happens to regular people when they are brought back. Jon shows what happens if a warg/skinchanger can shift into their bond animal and then go back when their body is resurrected. Though if he had to stay in Ghost for very long, he'd come back a bit wilder and more wolf-like.

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

Well said.

[@PeasantReaper]

"Lets just keep Beric Dondarrion so he can throw a flaming sword in season 8 instead" - D&D

[@lordofcastamere9376]

Used as a berricade

[@AnitaClue]

LOL. Azor Ahai Reborn reborn, and reborn, and reborn, and reborn. But there are rumors of Beric still roaming the Riverlands in the books. Maybe Thoros managed to bring him back again one last time after he gave up his life to Catelyn? Thoros didn't seem to be losing anything bringing Beric back, so it's a possibility...if a slim one.

[@Maerahn]

They thought 'bringing Catelyn Stark back as a zombie would lessen the impact of her death?' So, in other words "Jeez, George, that piece of character development was a real rookie mistake on your part, wasn't it?" The ARROGANCE!

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

Yeah, my jaw dropped a bit. Every time I hear George speak I am more simpatico to what he must have endured.

[@koripeterson7310]

I don’t think the resurrections in the books cheapen death, because like how George states, death changes people. It shows how even if they come back they aren't the same, this isn't shown in the show but I think its an important lesson in the books.

[@justarandomgirlvx3578]

Oh yes definitely. And it is not like everybody can be resurrected. Lady Stoneheart is probably giving us hints for Jon's resurrection. He won't be the same.

[@SolaGratia.]

But they kept bringing Dondarrion back over and over and over for apparently no reason at all. No worries there!

[@brandonbollwark5970]

The writers were so worried about cheapening death that they didn’t do Lady Stoneheart who comes back completely changed and disfigured yet they did Jon’s where he comes back completely fine.

[@batman-gu7pm]

Dondarion was overrated

[@batman-gu7pm]

@Flerean Dawn the show seemed to use him more than the books

[@janwel74]

They didn’t want to spoil the resurrection trick and thus Jon’s comeback? I call BS! Beric Dondarrion’s whole purpose is foreshadowing it!

[@lordofcastamere9376]

And than comes season 8 and they somehow should get rid of Beric as berricade...

[@znk0r]

Well you just said it Dondarrion is forshadowing, an other main character being resurrected would have given zero suspense about Jon.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

They hate foreshadowing, they avoid it all cost. They want to shock and they think it will ruin it, it’s why unlike the books for example the show have almost no foreshadowing of the Red Wedding

[@lordofcastamere9376]

@@oliviawilliams6204 yes same goes for R+L=J theory. The books are full of little clues, but the show almost never gave hints. The biggest being aemon to Jon in s1, but that conversation is also in the books. And some clips of Rheagar being noble and not a r*pist. But not clear that Jon is the son

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@lordofcastamere9376 yeah it was just an example

[@tarifaelivrin5570]

I think seeing Lady Stoneheart woudl have added to Lady Catlyns death. Just to see how different and cruel she is. And the pain to know that she still can´t rest even after loosing everything. That would have been heartbreaking

[@Trunixmusic]

"...can't rest EVEN after loosing everything." I would say loosing everything is what kinda makes her restless. It's a vengeful spirit after all and she would've found peace if her Family wouldn't have been killed like that

[@delta2372]

The cruelty was already there in catlyn, it's just out on full display now.

[@MrZml0001]

I've been living under a rock since season 8 aired.

[@JamaicanPrincessKD]

Same

[@smroe60]

Same here..

[@nunoRRsantos]

Like b.c a.c

[@victoriawhite3662]

It’s as if everything good in the world died after s8e3, nothing good has happened since.

[@made-line7627]

As have D&D.

[@tasneemedwards2574]

I remember at the end of watching the revelation of Jon actually being a Targaryen ,, the first thing I thought was , " I can't believe Catlyn died without knowing the truth about Jon " 🥺

[@KADETUL9]

There is a chance in the last 2 books

[@meethindocha1824]

@@KADETUL9 more than a chance. Robb commanded her that if he died, Jon will be crowned king

[@gnm7858]

Catelyn cant keep a secret so it was best that Eddard didn't tell her the truth

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

Jon isn’t a Targaryen in the books

[@mrj4082]

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 we'll see

[@tweetert.9978]

I'd have loved to have Lady Cat come back as a badass murdering zombie. Her love for her family was absolute, and vengeance is a dish best served cold.

[@shindari]

After watching the way they destroyed the entire show, I'm not sorry at all they didn't bring Stoneheart back. Because those two idiots would have just ruined her too...

[@jake1393]

They have admitted and so has GRRM that their hearts weren't in the last few seasons. Its ridiculous you just wouldn't step aside for someone who had the passion still! They have chosen well for the new spin off though, Miguel Sapochnik directed all the best episodes of GOT.

[@shindari]

@@jake1393 If they make the series about half of what GOT was, then Sapochnik likely won't lose any enthusiasm for doing it.

[@jake1393]

@@shindari it will be its the story of about half of one of his books so at most id say 3 series.

[@yucol5661]

I hope in the books she ends up having to resurrect John. Ultimate gut punch to her hate of him

[@shardes]

Му exact thoughts on every character they left out.

[@strikeone7803]

*Well let me tell you something David and Dan . . . How about bringing both you back to write the final season felt like diminishing returns . . . .how about that ?* This roast alone had better writing and meaning than seasons 7/8 combined

[@TalkingThrones]

Lol 💣

[@Nogarda_]

Lady Stoneheart is really a different character. And she cant talk. But could you imagine if they filmed it(her resurrection) but in the next season just had this grey cloaked female in the back of some shots in the woods or just disappearing out of frame for 8 episodes. Then in episode 9 you get the storm of swords epilogue in full with a reveal of fairley with dead eyes, bloody robes, rotten blackened witch like fingers, and a grudge like gurgle on occasion. But she is just remorseless and oozing vengence. But because its the tv show she doesn’t hang just one frey but four, but does it one by one, so the others can watch them die. Then she just guts them with a dagger to make sure. Whispers in the next ones ear. Hangs them guts them, until the final one who has soiled himself, is absolutely petrified, screaming for help that will never come. Then we hear her choppy whisper before she hangs him. The episode then ends on a wide shot of the four hanged as the last one is gutted and lady stoneheart does a michael myers style head tilt. Cut to black.

[@amandadunn1238]

I like it!☠️🖤

[@joeferris5086]

She does gain the ability to talk tho

[@b.castilho4011]

You just wrote something better then all S7 and 8 combined.

[@vintagesoul_reads]

amazing

[@user-ns2sx1rk4h]

Amazing. S4 E10 finale.

[@carloss.2749]

Because they kind of forgot about her...

[@ramoncarter3121]

i dont think michelle fairley would have minded not speaking if it meant she got to stay on the show and i dont think bringing her back would have cheapened jons resurection either

[@mariusm.xenomorphwarrior757]

@@SagarsDeck yes, especially since we see Thoros bringing back Beric Dondarrion before jon gets resurrected anyways :D imo there is no difference if we see Beric or Catelyn resurrected in case of the argument about making jon´s death unspectacular

[@TXDivineGuide]

D&D just didn't want to keep paying Michelle. That's all that was. So they made excuses to cover it up.

[@Bangaudaala]

They could have also just use another actress

[@eddybrazil9087]

@@Bangaudaala that. Her face, hair, body... were Destroyed. That was a Nice opportunity to change actresses. Even me being a huge fan of The actress wouldnt have minded.

[@dstripedape978]

I actually agree with D&D on there reasoning. It would be nice to have GRRM reasoning 4 wanting her inclusion, but IMO D&D got it right on this 1.

[@jewsco]

I also saw another interview with GRRM and he talked about how leaving out characters had butterfly effect on the ending of the show . I agree 100% with him on this and why the show ended the way it did. It all had to deal with them cutting to many characters and storylines so at the end it didn’t come together

[@TalkingThrones]

Yep it absolutely did negatively affect the entire story.

[@cassandravilla531]

@@TalkingThrones the whole Dorm story line was completely trashed

[@michaelpinson912]

Then GRRM should have finished the damn books so they had original source material

[@jewsco]

@@michaelpinson912 no one is arguing that but do try to stay on topic

[@smeejay4876]

All I want is if/when the books are completed we get an animated ASOIAF show that stays COMPLETLEY TRUE to the story. Imagine all of the things that could be seen that live action just couldnt. The scale of armies, Danny with purple eyes, Melisandra with red eyes, the epic castles and landscapes described in the books. Literally EVERYTHING could be drawn! It is my life's dream. Also Euron could actually be cool.

[@001Flange]

I'm still more disappointed in their treatment of the Direwolves.

[@jcompton8507]

I second this!

[@admontblanc]

Their treatment of the whole story was crap, we just didn't notice it so much until they ran out of books to cover.

[@AnitaClue]

@@admontblanc the first three seasons were excellent. The first change I absolutely hated was in season 4 when they didn't have Jaime tell Tyrion the truth about Tysha. I felt it diminished his character to have him confront and kill Tywin more over Shae than what he'd done all those years ago to two innocent teenagers. That said, season 4 was still pretty good. Five through eight had major, glaring problems. Awesome TV but not great storytelling. D&D are not plotters. I think maybe burnout played into it as well. The show was a massive undertaking and they spent nearly a decade on it. They didn't even want to do an eighth season, so it's likely HBO twisted their arms on that.

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

I would have preferred that to Assassins Creed Arya.

[@WindyCityNick]

I actually AC Arya. I guess different strokes for different folks.

[@evanmack8527]

Ac Arya=best Arya

[@GrahamAstles]

AC Arya were some of my favourite scenes. The mistake was not developing her character more in seasons 7 and especially season 8 - not just as an assassin, but also in her interactions with other characters. Very disappointing. They dropped the ball on so many things.

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

@@GrahamAstles I fully agree

[@WindyCityNick]

@@shinken6636 no true at all lol you don’t know me

[@fluidarana3637]

One thing that stuck to me about resurrection in GRRM's world (though I vaguely remember it) is that the degree of change a person manifests when resurrected depends on how long they stayed dead. Lady Catelyn was dead for 3 days hence the drastic change in character, plus also retaining some memory being the hatred towards the Lannisters and everyone involved in the red wedding. That would have given us some tension in the show about how Jon would change. I mean, we all knew he wouldn't stay dead anyway. The question should've been how much Jon would be left since he was dead for a whole day, I think. Beric Dondarrion didn't change since he was always revived the same moment he dies. 🤣 Or may be a huge portion of Jon did die. Because by the end he look liked he only retained 1/3 of his IQ and just kept saying "Ur MaH KwEen" and "I dUn WaNt Et" 🤣

[@LolahNZ]

In the winds of winter I still write about her....BRO FINISH THE DAMN BOOKS

[@vtaylor110]

🤣🤣🤣

[@AbsoluteLeeNot]

This.

[@Iron-Bridge]

Lol. GRR M is famous for his ' cruelty' 😄

[@owenasuncion4372]

Trueee so we can find new materials to forget about the BS ending and writing we got from the show

[@David4MVs]

It’s just more excuses for sloppiness. Dan and Dave should just be quiet now. They don’t make anything any better.

[@seanpaulcurran]

D&D were making .... MILLIONS on George RR's story, and they became prideful and greedy like a Lannister, and they in effect destroyed the series.

[@EJD339]

Lol. How did the they become greedy? HBO wanted to do more seasons. I just think they got bored man. I’m not sure why they didn’t just hand the show off to someone else. I think we both agree they screwed up a good thing.

[@ErenJager-ut5cu]

@@EJD339 greedy because they get a deal for star wars

[@LoRo_Moon_Stars]

When I heard the soldiers talk about what they did to Rob and Greywind, then to Catelyn...I was actually waiting to see the scene of Namiria pulling her out of the river later on. To see all that unfolded as Catelyn was resurrected as Lady Stoneheart....but was sorely dissapointed that they made no move to include such an important character.

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

It wasn't even mentioned that it wasn't Nymeria but Warg Arya.

[@maurice6428]

If they didn’t want to spoil Jon’s Resurrection they could’ve had other characters say there’s reports of the Brothers without Banners causing havoc with the Freys and we only get to see Lady Stoneheart after he’s back alive

[@AnitaClue]

When Nymeria rejects Arya...a shadowy, vaguely female figure in the distance silently beckons to the direwolf who turns and follows her into the misty woods. Unfortunately they ditched that kind of subtlety in the final seasons. Having Jon's Targ name be Aegon was kind of ham-fisted IMO.

[@sabrinafoxesvolpi2330]

I would have loved to see Lady Stoneheart, one of my favourite characters in the books. My biggest disappointment however is and will ever be how they treated Euron. When reading his chapters I felt Scared af. In the tv series he seemed pretty much a comedian or something.

[@myaalexander354]

“Beneath the dignity of Michelle Farley” TRANSLATION: “We tried to reduce her pay reflect a non speaking role and she wasn’t having it.” RIP Lady Stark!

[@JessieGirl3]

I would’ve liked to have seen the character progression of Catelyn/Lady Stoneheart as she wreaked vengeance on the Red Wedding participants and if she ever showed regret for the way she treated Jon or maybe even helped Jon with some of his obstacles or battles.

[@jessicalowery3718]

That would have been the BEST story line. How can you NOT love a mother’s revenge story ?

[@TalkingThrones]

Sold!!

[@strawberryblondemilk7249]

Recently picked up reading a song of ice & fire & I just finished a storm of swords and my jaw dropped with the reveal of Lady Stoneheart.

[@Romy-90]

Let's be honest - they just didn't wanna invest in the Stoneheart-Jaime-Brienne-storyline. Weren't interested in those characters and therefore didn't want to write for them. That's why Jaime's storyline from S5 onward was so atrocious and he still continued being Cersei-whipped.

[@unlicensedyoutubecommenter6493]

It’s a shame because It’s hard to make you hate someone and then like them. Jaime was starting to become a redeemable character and then they decided to just undo it all at the last moment

[@AnitaClue]

Cutting out the Aegon sub-plot doomed Jaime as much as cutting Lady Stoneheart out did. Without Aegon and his backers for Dany to fight they had to keep Cersei alive way too long, and that had an impact on Jaime. Still hated his ending, but I can see how they wrote themselves into that particular corner.

[@YutingHong]

it goes hand in hand w the awful dorne plot in the TV series too, jaime being shoved from one storyline into one he doesn't belong in at all.

[@made-line7627]

I think they would have failed the character anyway, unfortunately.

[@sliding_by8607]

indeed! good thing they didn't do that! bad thing was letting them finish the show!

[@amandaherbert4194]

I like how sassy (yet polite) you were during this video - usually, your videos are very informative and for the most part, objective - this is my go-to channel for "documentary style" Game of Thrones content. I've watched your content for years now and it's nice to see your content evolving. Keep it up Talking Thrones! :)

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you so much, Amanda! Your support does not go unnoticed.

[@assumptionisthemotherofall2402]

Because they didn’t want the last few seasons to be liked.... by anyone? 😒

[@RayW....]

Stfu...

[@vorclan9981]

So we all know or I hope can at leas agree. Lady Stoneheart, Caitlyn herself is going to be th one who resurrects John. It will close her story with Jon

[@fergin4979]

Thats beautiful

[@vorclan9981]

Just my thoughts on why she is there.

[@vorclan9981]

Still alive I mean

[@sayitlikeitis5026]

Yep. I think so too. Either that, or she might play a role in destroying the Others herself (I don't think it will be Arya, but seeing as she took on some of Stoneheart's plotlines, this might be plausible).

[@abhigyagupta9499]

The bringing back of Lady Stoneheart actually gives you more complexity towards Jon's resurrection. With his last words being "Ghost", it could take the path of Robb, but with Melisandre being there it could go down like Catelyn. This adds more depth and curiosity, in my opinion. Also, knowing that people change after resurrection, it would have been refreshing to see a different/vengeful side of Jon. Just my thoughts.

[@brandonbollwark5970]

I feel like Lady Stoneheart could have been really well adopted for film/TV. There was a brief time when season 7 came out where an extra passed by the background for like one frame and fans thought that could have been her or at least a nod to her. Could you imagine if something like that happened earlier in the show? Just isolated one shot appearances of her in the background leading up to her reveal? That would have been so awesome and creepy (think the hidden ghosts in Netflix’s Haunting of Hill House). I think if they used her sparingly it wouldn’t have undermined the red wedding.

[@shannond7437]

3:25 I think he meant their explanation of that reason was what they couldn’t describe. Not that excluded her because they didn’t want to spoil his books. It actually says that in the article.

[@TheRoyalFino]

Thanks for pointing this out. I thought this was obvious from the transcript of the interview he read and then he takes it to some odd conclusion that showed he completely misinterpreted what D&D were saying.

[@ryantheis3431]

Agreed...there was something about her story in future books that made them want to exclude her, and discussing that in detail would spoil the future story.

[@kenduncan3221]

I imagine Lady Stoneheart meeting her children would be interesting.

[@TalkingThrones]

Absolutely. Especially Jon.

[@pedroteixeira1158]

Bringing her back would really show how characters change after coming back to life, which is what beric says to arya on the show, that everytime he comes back he is a bit different. That could change the way we see John Snow ahead, and how that influences the rest of his story line. But i started the books not long ago and i just finished book 4 or 5, im still in the first moments of theon's capture by ramsey so i havent seen Lady Stoneheart yet...

[@susancorso7873]

Kat would have finally had more in common with nephew Jon

[@Usernumber777]

In season 1 Jaime Lannister mentions “Thoros of Myr charging on the gates of Pike with his flaming sword”

[@sirfistaslit]

He wasn't the bravest, just the drunkest

[@Usernumber777]

@@sirfistaslit yeah Thoros said to Jorah Mormont when they went wight hunting 💀

[@KaiusKing]

Always so quick with the content! Love it

[@PlatipuseKing]

Catelyn is the revenant of the pain of war. She is probably going to be the thing that shows Westeros they need to stop being so war hungry. Thoros even says since she arrived he's seen how horrible these once good men could be. Imagine the commoners hearing that when this war got to its most dark and vile, when the ancient right of guest was broken, the once kind and loving wife of the Ned became a horrible undead that brought revenge and death upon the world for its crimes. I think her character is meant to show how war changes the world and people, how all it breeds is darkness.

[@wiseguymotionpictures1416]

Season 4 was 70% garbage and blatant disregard for the story of ASOIAF anyway. It sucked not seeing Lady Stoneheart in live action, but really her epilogue scene at the end of A Storm of Swords and Brienne's fever dream that led to meeting Lady Stoneheart in A Feast for Crows were too good for what the show became anyway.

[@arickhook370]

I only had 1 problem with final season. That was Jon's Sentence to the Nights Watch. 1. With the white walkers destroyed there is no need for a night's watch to exist/continue. 2. With the North being an independent kingdom, the 6 kingdoms have no power to force people to join the night's watch that is apart of the Independent North kingdom.... makes no sense. Now what would've made sense would to banish him from the 6 kingdoms, and Jon give his blessing for sansa to rule the North cause she is good at it, has loyal followers and fought for that independance at the dragon pit along with Jon never wanting any kind of power and always longing to return to the real North.

[@Harahvaiti]

Night's Watch was not part of Kingdom in the North, nor it was part of Six Kingdoms. It is possible for both kingdoms to have an agreement on where to send their criminals. And Jon was in the end punished as criminal. It was not his own choice, D&D took even that from him.

[@DjangoWarheart]

@@Harahvaiti who is even gonna know if he slips back to Winterfell? And the Nightswatch is kinda pointless with the massive hole blown out of the wall. And the fact that North more or less allied themselves with the wildlings.

[@SeenGod]

i think it was a missed opportunity to have a little air of mystery about her, for example in the books she is talked about & mentioned by other characters in sort of a mythical way, well before she actually shows up, another example is Arya dreaming of Nymeria finding her corpse, but right before she sees the face, she wakes up

[@KirilovaTS]

Everytime im blown away by your extensive research and the way you deliver every piece of information. I have very strong feelings about Lady Stoneheart and her being cut from the series is inexcusable (same goes for the butchery of the Dorn stoyline, but thats a rant for anither day) and at the same time kind of a relief. I used to wish so hard for them to include her at a certain point, but then seasons 6, 7 and 8 came and i could't help but be glad that i wont see one Kat being done dirty in the show for the second time.Loved it, as always!

[@TalkingThrones]

That's a good point. They most likely would have brought her back just to butcher her storyline in the end.. Thanks for watching.

[@Panyc333]

LSH does talk and it’s one of the most haunting and chilling things in the books.

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

Holding the gaping slit shut still makes me flinch!

[@Panyc333]

@@voluntaryismistheanswer yes. What a missed opportunity for the show.

[@eddybrazil9087]

I always think how cutting one of my favorite characters from the books (LSH) finished being a huge lost opportunity for The show. Instead of having that grotesque representation of the white walkers, they could have made LSH be the major symbol of the coming death from the north. That would have been so amazing and emotional. It would be totally different from the books, since there she isnt that important, but it would've made the series so pleasant to watch and Fun, at least - way better than The unispired final we got.

[@Alknix]

5:50 This is so ironic, given that Dee&Dee drastically reduced the amount of dialogue in favor of just having characters staring at each other or at camera. You'd think a zombie with a legitimate excuse to keep silence would look like a godsend to them!

[@it3548]

Lady Stoneheart not being in the show was a gut punch to me. I wanted her to be in there so badly but oh well. At least she exists in the pages of A Song of Ice and Fire

[@Fairly-odd-kel]

Thanks for still sticking with GoT content, I've heard so many people abandoning the books after the show and it saddens me.

[@shannond7437]

It’s ironic how you typically read that on these videos, but it’s clearly not true if they are watching these 😂

[@emmanuelakeyo3856]

It because George is never going to finish the series

[@Fairly-odd-kel]

@@emmanuelakeyo3856 I hope he does but I'm not sure I'd like how it's going to end tbh considering who is going to end up king

[@juanbruce5981]

Right after the Red wedding, they started to make their own "complexless" show. I understand that, looking at their own limitations, bringing back Lady Stoneheart was not a good idea, she was too much for them.

[@murrayd3152]

I’m loving the consistent videos!

[@theresasmiechowski6717]

They are just making excuses... they wanted to run off to film Star Wars and jipped us. I am so glad they did it for nothing.

[@filiprochette7793]

I think it's very interesting and poetic to bring her back as a shell of herself. You want her to succeed but she commits atrocities you become torn.

[@luizfernandomle]

I am very, very looking forward to read about Lady Stoneheart on The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Srping. The final section of A Storm of Swords was fascinating, and Lady Stoneheart's scenes on the books are SO interesting.

[@emmanuelakeyo3856]

I hope George finishes the books but I doubt he will

[@skurinski]

books will never be finished

[@ladystoneheart8155]

You know nothing of me or my work. Just kidding. Great video. Great channel. Just imagine if they ended season 4 with the epilogue from Storm of Swords. That would’ve been beyond perfection

[@TheGreenRaven303]

LET 👏 WOMEN 👏 BE 👏 UNHINGED 👏 lady stoneheart was one of my favorite characters just because of the juxtaposition between her and catelyn. The books also give us clues that catelyn heard lady stoneheart within herself every time she lost one of her loved ones. I thought her actress would have done an incredible job portraying lady stoneheart, I don't think it would have debased her at all.

[@elvin4176]

She deffo would

[@RsChrisG]

let women be unhinged? have u been around woman, most of them are lol

[@stevenh8770]

if i remember correctly, D&D said they wanted to stay as far as possible from the fantasy aspect. I always thought this was the reason.

[@lordofcastamere9376]

Then they should not have started a series where dragons and some icey creatures are the 2 main things in the show.

[@stevenh8770]

@@lordofcastamere9376 I agree, but that explain a lot. how easy they got rid of the white walker, dragons, prophesies, to name a few

[@Shadowwand]

I think reason 2 doesn't work, because instead of resurrecting a vengeful Catelyn Stark, they just went with Resurrecting Baeric a bunch instead. And for number 3, recast her. That way the same actress can have her moment, then cast someone else as Stoneheart.

[@stephaniespain9849]

Loving all the new content! You’re the best 👌

[@amirdrb]

They could've easily avoided their second "reason" by showing her after Jon's resurrection. And doing a couple of flashbacks to show how she came to be lady Stoneheart.

[@vincentbeton]

"We retroactively regretted not resurrecting Caitlyn, so we at least killed off most of the Dothraki and resurrected all of them immediately after" - D&D, probably

[@johngee8774]

D&D has said that they are very cautious in attending lunches and dinners after Season 8. It is most likely a Red Wedding will take place on what they did.

[@meloderieugif2294]

I believe Arya would be useless or dead if they kept Lady Stoneheart.

[@AnitaClue]

In the books, Arya's going to be the one to avenge House Stark against House Bolton.

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

Oh well, somehow George resolves it in the books.

[@maxten]

lady stoneheart does start kidnapping and killing the freys.

[@theblake5356]

@@AnitaClue GRRM Said that the BoB will come to fruition in the next book and that Jon has a major role in Ramsey’s fate.

[@AnitaClue]

@@theblake5356 I'm sure Jon does have a role in it, but Arya's being set up to deal the final blow. The show gave Sansa what should be Arya's role in ending Ramsay, and let Arya kill Littlefinger. In the books those will likely be reversed.

[@brandoncouriwilliams8491]

I really miss this show ..& i can't bare to go rewatch it..ive found this series on Netflix that reminds me of it called the last kingdom ...its dope ..but it the latest season hasn't dropped... I wish the ladystone heart would've been put into the show ..that would've been epic..no giant ice spiders or polar bears either

[@mrpuk247]

The Last Kingdom is a very good series

[@VictoryOrValhalla14]

I loved this show too and I refuse to ever watch it again, the last two seasons are near criminal.

[@lordofcastamere9376]

We had a polar bear in season 7 when tyrion has that fantastic idea to bring the deas to cersei. It killed one guy I think. But the bear was only half a second. And for ice spider. Dan and Dave said they did not include it because they somehow don't how a (mega) spider walks....

[@Harahvaiti]

@@lordofcastamere9376 maybe they should have asked Peter Jackson about giant spider in filmed fantasy

[@waterdamnaged]

If they were going to omit Stoneheart to begin with, why even include Dondarion and the Brotherhood? Without Stoneheart that entire subplot is a dead-end.

[@sayitlikeitis5026]

I think Stoneheart might fulfill Beric's role. Perhaps she might even be the one who destroys the Others.

[@ceciliaSF-TX]

Lady Stoneheart’s resurrection was one of the best surprises in the books! Period.

[@voteZDLR]

I think it's mainly just because as they got further and further along and started catching up with the books, the light that was guiding them through the entire scope of the project was no longer there. They literally didn't know what they were doing anymore. But even in the books as we have them right now, Lady Stoneheart hasn't been featured that much. Also I think they simply realized that to utilize her would mean Beric Dondarrion would have to die in the show as well, and they had other plans for him apparently.

[@breakingbadheisenberg9703]

Frankly they took all the mystique and magic out of the show!

[@stephaniespain9849]

In less then a minute it’s already almost 90 views 👏👏

[@bobbicatalano]

As always a great video thank you

[@ladawnhawkins]

I agree 💯 with this ENTIRE video!! Thank You

[@miracledraw6868]

wow no views and 0 comments so what can is say but FiRsT. The Last time I was this early Ned still had his head.

[@Harahvaiti]

"Too many resurrections start to diminish the impact...", oh yeah, that is why Show Beric Dondarrion coming back to life 6 times was almost a comic relief for Hound in the script. And they have kept Beric till the last season. D&D are so full of it...

[@luyer7394]

hey mate, been supporting your channel for awhile just wanted to say keep up the good work! I never get tired of Game Of Thrones content! Also A House Of Dragons will be starting soon enough and your channel will be booming then!

[@funguykel]

GOT was for me the best series to ever watch on TV. However, season 8 kills it for me. The greatest show had the greatest letdown.

[@WalkenDead]

I bought every season of GoT except the last one. Even when I knew it was getting bad, I stuck with it. That last season though, I couldn't do it. I still want a full anime style series of these books that do it justice. Hell the first book could be 3 seasons lol

[@spookga]

The entire final season was one of me continually exclaiming, "Where the hell did THIS come from?" All the while flipping through the books and not finding a thing. The whole season felt rushed and unfinished. I was highly upset given the tremendous budget lavished on the show and the gorgeous cinematics. Following the books didn't seem like it would have been too hard.

[@michaelpinson912]

Yep! GRRM screwed them over by not releasing the source material

[@lennysmileyface]

I feel like not having LS adds a level of finality of her death. Bad people don't always get punished for their actions. However the fact that GRRM says she is important kind of legitimizes her existence.

[@ClaudioYanes84]

Well... who ends up sitting on the Iron Throne is actually one of the most irrelevant things of this story.

[@AmethystEmpressDivineTarot6589]

So agreed!

[@SmithsCrhronicles]

not if you take the season 9 adaptation in to consideration.... as the game of rulership/throne is still contested even to the end

[@carolmurray5794]

Totally agree with your assessment of D&D and the last season!!

[@sunshineroth9605]

"How 'bout that?" I'm dead, and still laughing at this line. Thank you as always💀😘

[@KristieLentPhotograp]

spot on! I haven't read the books yet, but I have heard so much about Lady Stoneheart from you and others that it really sounds like D&D were out of touch with their core audience from as early as season 3.

[@olliesmith2890]

Red Wedding aka still possibly the most shocking moment in tv history.

[@connorb55]

Dan and Dave really let us down. Its like they didn't even care. Its such a shame😔

[@jericor8335]

The Red Wedding was one of the most memorable scenes in GOT. Lady Stoneheart should have made an appearance. I would have loved it more than the ending.

[@verihimthered2418]

I hope these books never get finished, long live the fan theory!

[@williewoods2]

Keep it up love your video's, you should have been a part the show, looking forward to more from you, great story telling...

[@drsavage3262]

I'm still salty about the red wedding haha. I'm glad you made this video. I wanted to disagree with you but after hearing that GRRM wanted her in the show that bad.. Well I'm just going to have to wait like everyone else to see what happens in winds.

[@TheProverbialHater]

If it wasn't for the trash that was season 8, I would accept the reason they gave for not bringing back Catleyn Stark back as Lady Stonehart...

[@marcelogonzalezdanke]

I had no idea Bran was going to become king and now it is spoiled for me.

[@lukaravlic9398]

Jon's resurrection wasn't that shocking and impactful because it was expected it would happen. I mean, Thoros was a red priest who already resurrected Beric several times, so Melisandre hanging around Castle Black just hinted to what would happen. Besides, he got resurrected only a few episodes after his death. Catelyn's return 1 or 2 seasons after her death would have been far more impactful.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Demonstrating that the Show Runners are allergic to foreshadowing and write just to surprise people

[@KammaQwazi]

Dayyuum Thrones with the killshot lol. Well done.

[@dustymcgusty9994]

Great videos Man love the contact

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks Adam