This Is Why SCENE SAFETY Is Important

[@mike_pertz]

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[@SD45-ET44AC]

Amen! It’s a horrible feeling when you realize the patient’s son, who has escorted you back to the kitchen to his mom who is having abdominal pain, has the knife in his hand that he stabbed his mom in the belly causing her to have abdominal pain. Having a good plan of escape and something with you that can be a defensive weapon and for me that defensive weapon was an old fashion mag light/flashlight that holds 4-D cell batteries that I carried on my duty belt. Situational awareness can save your life, along with a Motorola radio; we were blessed with dispatchers who knew how to get us help in a hurry!

[@supernatural7690]

The responders need to exercise control over any situation, this how we get jobs done, the occupier was dominant and the officer recognised that and did the right thing. Waiting for numbers to back them up gives a numerical advantage and a physical presence to project authority. Good call by officers

[@bubbleentity]

just to point out, that there is another flag in the positioning of the male that went aggressive. I have history as a security agent (so, neither FD nor PD, but still tasked with trying to keep my guards safe as they work in community). The aggressor male placed himself in a choke point, and insisted that the officer come to him. the officer would have ended up in a confining location, within lunge distance ( which would negate any personal protective force projectors that he was carrying), and where the officer cannot see if the aggressor had a weapon. it would have been very easy for the aggressor to have a weapon just around the corner where it is easily available to him, but concealed from the officer. The body language of the persons in the front room also shifted as soon as the aggressor spoke. Immediately they were disengaging from the officer, and from the situation. This is a common behavior pattern for people living with individuals with violent or abusive behavior patterns. IMO, the officer walking back out, and calling for backup is 100% the right call. If I were in his shoes however, I would not have turned my back on the entrance. I would have turned to the side to use the RT, whilst monitoring the door with peripheral vision

[@moemcgovern7345]

I’m not a firefighter, paramedic. However, I live on a street, that has had many severe house fires, to the point, it’s given me PTSD. So watching these videos, are just educational to me. Any advice on how I can keep my family and I safe, is welcomed. God Bless You for the job you do. You’re worth your weight in Gold.

[@mitchhome9448]

Ya, been there done that, way to easy to get drawn in. You got to know when to sit back. You have to run the show you cannot let the pt or anyone else run it for you.

[@psychocuda]

I'm not a cop or in any public service sectors, but my only concern is when he exited, he had his back to the door. If a dude's agitated, I'd want to keep my eyes on him if he comes out with a weapon or something and back out rather than turn around.

[@waldoman321]

Couple tips I can give: 1. Wear your radio, and actually have it on. I see it all too often on both Fire and EMS leave it in the rig, “someone else will have theirs.” Don’t count on your officer to have it. 2. Don’t wear a knife on your radio strap if you use one. Don’t give someone a weapon to use against you. Going along with that make sure your radio cord and strap is secured on your body so someone can’t choke you with it. 3. If going with a group larger than two, have someone just keep an eye on everyone in the location, not doing care. 4. If it doesn’t seem right, it probably isn’t. Back out calmly and call for PD.

[@rvasquez8057]

Firefighters, EMT's and paramedics should talk to seasoned police offers about warning signs. First warning sign is the baiting and repeatedly attempting to get the lone officer inside. Second is the body language of the occupant and thirdly the fatal funnel or tight space you are going to have to enter through. Another concern is not being able to get an open view of the area immediately around the occupant, there are a lot of areas for him to reach a weapon quickly. Also the fact that there are other multiple occupants in the home. Would be nice to know what the call came out as.

[@cmcer1995]

Yes good move to exit, I don't know that I would have ever opened the door and entered until I called for back-up once I started seeing a potentially odd situation.

[@franksforz4374]

Watch the hands [ left hand was behind his back ]. Also watch for dogs.

[@mep4151]

Never stand in front of the door when knocking and waiting for it to be answered. You never know if the person on the other side has a gun.

[@bradmcewen]

The more anyone can understand about psychology, in this day and age in particular about Narcissistic Personality Disorder / Cluster b spectrum traits....the better. Good call by the officer. Blind trust has left this world.

[@FatUncleDusty]

Never turn your back to a disgruntled individual.

[@erichhitchcock3368]

Him being the PD, I noticed that the man sitting on the couch immediately hunched face down, possibly as to avert being identified.

[@happytobsaved]

#1 rule I learned ..always be aware of your surroundings.

[@StephenNurn]

Working in EMS in NYC, from my experience, anyone with a sarcastic demeanor right off the bat is always signs they will be a threat. I also dont let myself into peoples houses. NEVER let yourself into a house or apartment even if they tell you the door is open come on in. You never know if it is an ambush or a setup. Anytime you knock on a door and wait for an answer, stand to the side of the door and not directly in front. Always have a plan of egress if things do get hairy. And always trust your guts. If you think something is weird LET YOUR PARTNER KNOW. Always have good communication with partner. Any questions let me know and I’ll answer them to the best of my knowledge based of my experience.

[@KyleGuerrero89]

You never want to turn your back to a hostile pt or person. Yes the Officer noted it was becoming unsafe and “backed out” but what he did was turn his back to the agitated/hostile person. You never know what the hostile person is doing with your back turned to them.

[@JohnM1774]

This was a very educational video. I am a current EMT and also a retired police officer of 32 years, both in the NYPD and Federal law enforcement. I do not know the nature of the call but the police officer did the right thing. If I knew the nature of the call, I would have awaited back-up before entering. YOUR life is paramount in any situation. Once he passed the people in the living room he entered the hallway. In police work, that is referred to as "The Fatal Funnel" The Officer, Firefighter, EMT-Medic would have no cover or no where to go if and when a weapon was introduced into the situation. And never think just because you are a firefighter or EMT that you are immune from attack. To ALL my Brothers and Sisters, THINK SMART and BE SAFE.

[@GeFlixes]

I've heard a policeman once say: "When you arrive on a site, there's only high risk and unknown risk situations".

[@Its_Esoteric]

Sounds a tad paranoid

[@Crimson.S.57]

@@Its_Esoteric when you deal with unpredictable dipshit criminals everyday, then yah paranoia is important.

[@tpmonster24]

@@Its_Esoteric not really when they can be ambushed an killed in less than a second

[@kevinbirmingham8629]

I live in Killeen and I remember when this happened. We do have some issues with our Police here in Killeen. They seem to be too young and very poorly trained. There's just something about their demeanor.

[@black487]

A concerned spouse called medics for her husband who was experiencing some sort of generic medical issue on one of my coworkers calls. As they were welcomed inside by the wife the husband yelled that he told her not to call 911. They started to introduce themselves to either start care or the pt refusal process and he reiterated more loudly, yelling “I said I don’t want your help” and he pulled out and started brandishing a handgun. Everyone bailed like bugs when a light gets turned on.

[@Leland1410]

From my experiences I completely agree with the points you made in this video and I hope EMT and Paramedic schools start teaching more about scene safety. Great Video as Always keep up the great work.

[@charliemullins7496]

I would have started backing out when the male waving and saying "hey, come back here' was standing so that his left hand was not visible.

[@BIGTAYLORNI]

Great video some good points to think about for the next call.

[@HWill-iq9sl]

Mid,day only two set of feet step in.Must ben a party night prior.after U see low light to your right,and other next your eyes adjust guy standing different style and not pointing to a situation. But things would change if you bring all your equipment and a gurney But it's true that the police shows up before the ambulance at time

[@spacetexan1667]

As a Texan I’m 99% sure it’s Kill-een

[@EightiesTV]

Walk in ready to help those who need it and ready to transition into an unfair team of kinetic domination in the twinkling of an eye. Evil people can smell weakness.

[@sebastianwardana1527]

so backup?

[@sebastianwardana1527]

or talking to the people first who were there at the couch... if that behavior is normal...

[@tommystevens3962]

Great videos. Love this channel. One point which I always bare in mind is that you should always let the occupant of the property lead the way. NEVER let them behind you when the invite you in. I’ll always say “please lead the way”. The last thing I want is them blocking my exit.

[@jnelsoninjax]

Situational awareness is important no matter what line of work you do. I have taught myself to always be aware of my surroundings and analyze the area as soon as I get in, where are the exits, what might prevent me from getting to them, etc.

[@kilburnvideos]

Exactly. Good advice for just every day life.

[@johnhood578]

Thank you. Safety first. Always make sure you have a clear exit. Try and keep the exit at your back. Scan for possible weapons. Weapons don't have to be guns and knives. Anything sharp can be a weapon. Look for things that could be used as a club. You can't help others if you can't help yourself.

[@wvhappykatz]

I never allow anyone and I mean, ANYONE between me and the door, except fellow fire or EMS.

[@kevinyoung6067]

This probably pertains more to ghetto communities, but I've seen many incidents when we ran personal injury accidents and carloads of family members will get called and show up on the scene within minutes. In the best-case scenarios they get in the way and interfere with rescue efforts, and sometimes they'll try to get into the vehicle(s) to remove drugs or weapons before they're discovered by the police. And they all have cellphones, so they're running around taking photos. As firefighters it's not our job to preserve and protect the scene but always be mindful of what witnesses and bystanders are doing.

[@lindanwfirefighter4973]

I feel bad for the officer. He didn’t want to shoot the PIC but had no choice.

[@jakeclemons650]

What was the call for in this situation.

[@mrnappies2413]

in the UK we have 3 main points for scene safety IPC, PPE and Conflict Resolution Infection Prevention Control (stop splashes by wearing...) PPE, Personal protective equipment and Conflict Resolution, how to deescalate things during stressful times.

[@stevemockoviak8384]

On one fire call we had a victim unaccounted for, so needed to do a search and rescue. I found the victim within a few minutes, but he was so stoned on marijuana that he did not even know he was in danger. When I tried to get him to leave the building, he became very agitated and took a swing at me. The Police Office that was behind me managed to bring him under control, and we brought him out together. Once outside, he became somewhat wild, and other officers jumped in to cuff the "victim". Turns out he started the fire while high. Never thought that would happen when you're trying to save someones life!

[@jacobhess2866]

Personal safety is the top priority in any given situation.

[@TheMarkemmy]

I worked in Rural EMS until I crushed my shoulder on the job in 2009. We had to be VERY aware of scene safety because sometimes in our coverage area we might not be able to get LEOs on scene for 30 minutes if things went sideways. Several of the towns we covered had no PD of their own and were covered by State Police. We had codewords to tell our partners to get out and call for support, one time a crew of ours responding to a medical emergency at a bar did a general call for help on the radio and about a dozen firefighters showed up. Not as easy as it looks.....

[@theyearwas1473]

I was stationed outside Killeen. That's a rough area. Very rough. Can't believe people don't think this cop's justified.

[@mightymouseofnyc]

I would have reacted the same way if someone came at me that way. The exact same way.

[@theyearwas1473]

@@mightymouseofnyc according to my escalation of force training in the service, he was justified

[@mightymouseofnyc]

@@theyearwas1473 I should have clarified my comment. I would have reacted the same way as the cop.

[@joshuaharris5605]

It’s because race and mental health are a factor. I’m not going to lie after watching the full video, and not knowing the nature of the call. I can only assume that the mentally unstable man called as no one else got up to greet the officer or explain to the officer what was going on (the families fault), officer didn’t remove himself from harm way and wait for back up (officers fault) officer pulled a taser and family once again did nothing (I’m pretty sure protocol is lethal when you’re alone) which had little effect in this man and almost cost this officer injury, which once again the family didn’t intervene in… it’s really the family’s fault, but no one wants to point fingers at them while they are grieving.

[@AeroVisionNY]

There's also a job here for dispatch. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a history of EDPs or domestic cases at the location. Dispatch should make PD or EMS aware of that history at the point of dispatch. It's not uncommon for FD/EMS to call PD to secure the location, if necessary, before entry is made. Great channel! Appreciate your insights.

[@joshuagarcia1343]

I used to live on that street when I lived in Killeen.

[@grantman103]

During my career I had calls where it was more a matter of more luck than brains that saved the day. Other times myself and the crew were all on our A game. You always strive for scene safety. Maintain situational awareness or at least have your least busy guy keep a sort of overwatch . I’m speaking about medical calls when your entering a residence or on a call where a crowd is assembled. In certain neighborhoods a huge often angry crowd can assemble in almost no time. I found me self doing some fast talking to deescalate situations and loading a Pt on the bus and GTFO. In my experience calling PD can create a worse problem than you already had. Not always. The words Always and Never seldom apply in the fire service. I found most angry people are scared and upset about the situation that caused you to come . By validating them and sometimes agreeing with what ever nonsense they are saying gets them calmed down. It’s all a learning curve. Anyhow I like your channel . Any aspiring or rookie firefighter could learn a lot from your work. I hope you have a safe and rewarding career. Looking back it seemed to go by quick for myself. Another story for another day.

[@tranef1477]

Let me first tell you that your editing has gotten much better ,and I think there is a point with enough importance to be considered ,which is the fact that bullets can pierce through windows ,so it might be a good idea to stay in a safe spot and avoid staying in front of a window , especially when we're unable to see what's going on the other side of it. Thank you for your content

[@byronbotts2789]

One thing I do is don't stand in front of a door or opening it... one other thing is once u back out of scene, don't stand in the yard around any widows or doors... get to ur unit and get away from the area until it is secured by law enforcement.... play it safe first..!!!

[@randyogburn2498]

I work in property maintenance not emergency services but some of this still applies. There have been just a handful of people over the years who have made me uncomfortable. Fortunately I have good management to resolve such problems.

[@jbtread7869]

I’m from Killeen, TX and started my career in the area. I agree with everything you have said but also, at least in Killeen, you really have to watch for weapons and drugs/needles. They are everywhere and getting pricked with a needle can be just as dangerous or deadly as the actual people

[@joshrosey7965]

Thank you for all of your videos and work to educate aspiring firefighters, I start my 1st job at my dream department on Monday!

[@jadsmvs8651]

Hell yeah! That's what we like to hear

[@glenndraper5760]

WHEN In DOUBT!!?? Emergency Services Or EVEN Just IN LIFE Alone BACK THE HELL Out Of The SITUATION Even IT'S The Slightest DOUBT In THE SITUATION In YOUR MIND. YOUR INTUITION IS Normally 99.99% Percent Is CORRECT. Your LIFE COMES FIRST!!! BACK OUT.!! REGROUP!!☺😊😉😎🤗🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@AM-vw8gh]

yes. I live in Killeen and it’s quite a shitty place with a crime rate higher than most of the country. not enough cops to properly cover this city.

[@edwardmeegan1849]

One time we responded to an incident for a party passed out on the floor. When we arrived on the scene a visiting nurse met us in front of the house and said that she could see the victim lying on the floor through the front window. We quickly and efficiently forced entry through the front door and approached the victim. That was when I noticed the victim's 130 lb pit-bull charging at us from behind, i quickly rammed my halligan-bar into the dogs face, which the dog ripped it from my hands and proceeded to chew on it while we escaped through kitchen. Our only saving grace was that the dog was chained to the floor with an eye-bolt attached to a 3/8 harden steel chain and was only allowed to roam through the living room. The victim was a former drug dealer who was paralyzed from the waist down after a drive-by shooting. The incident occurred in the late 1990's and I remember it like it happened yesterday. You never know what you are going to run into, so you have to stay alert at all times.

[@dhermo13]

Even though I’m knew to being a paramedic, I have seen scenes that will make your heart jump into your throat when I was an EMT. Looking at this scene, the first thing is the homeowner does not come to the door. That can be unusual unless it’s a cardiac arrest and the patient is not near the door. Upon entering, it’s dark. Visibility may be hard to see who’s there, what’s there, and potential items that can cause injury. That is an uneasy feeling and to have a large gentleman down the hall with one hand behind his back with a heightened attitude and someone peering in and out of the doorway. Automatically my heart would race and I would get out of there and call for police. I would not re-enter until police have secured the scene.

[@brofessormex]

i failed my exam for this reason

[@donaldwood9187]

The question remains....Why was the officer going to that house in the first place?? Something had to have happen for him to be called there. He went there for a reason.

[@grantnuss9649]

I’m in Emt school now and my instructor hides in the corner with nerf guns

[@jockeyjack3367]

This is a great idea. We do not often see this subject in fire service videos. One time we were in a bad situation and going in we had great leadership and our captain said we need to get back in the rig and wait for County. None of us picked up on what he did but when we got back to station we debriefed about the situation and we all had that lightbulb go off. I would love to see more videos like this.

[@garrettblake8128]

Just wanted to thank you for all the videos! I applied for my local department for a full time job and I got a call back! I’ll be doing my written test and physical test on the 26th! I’ve been binging your test prep videos lol.

[@j2o3sh]

I was taught situational awareness till I was blue in the face when I was a correctional officer. Scene safety/ situational awareness / or site safety goes for mostly any line of work where dangerous environments can exists.

[@BenMorlock]

I think scene safety starts before you even arrive on scene. If you see something sketchy in the call notes while you’re enroute or if you know someone at that address has a history of being combative, you shouldn’t hesitate to ask dispatch to add PD to the call - and even stage nearby until PD arrives to secure the scene. There’s nothing cowardly about that. Some may say you shouldn’t do that because you’re delaying patient care but if you come on scene and get injured, taken hostage, etc., you won’t be helping anyone - you’ll actually make the incident worse.

[@cp368productions2]

The biggest concern I would have is the 3 people right by the door, too easy to get overpowered and killed. I have a lot of training in self defense and this situation is one that you are told to avoid.

[@JD-8-1971]

We were paged to a sawmill right next to my station. The page said trip and fall with a head injury. Quick note the sawmill was made from an old elementary and high school. The owner of the mill kept two classrooms as an apartment for workers who needed a place to live. That way he had someone there to watch over the place after hours and they had a place to stay rent free when they were down and out. Anyway we arrived to the apartment the patient was half in and have out of the building in the doorway to his apartment. We asked if his fall was witnessed as soon as we arrived and were grabbing the jump kit. We were told no. They said he hadn't came around to work and they found him like this in the doorway. The assistant chief started checking him for a pulse as I started too check for injuries. The cheif said uhhh he is stiff and at the same time I was saying uhhh he is riddled with GSWs. We were paged to a car accident. Told the patient was in the house 1/2 mile down the road. Heavy bleeding on the kitchen floor in the home. We arrived for patient care law enforcement went to the scene of the accident. Long story short the radio traffic went like this. LEO to Fire what do you have at the house? We have a undamaged vehicle with a bloody knife in the seat. Fire to LEO we have a patient with several knife wounds to the abdomen. We then found out from the mom at the house. Her daughter just dumped the guy. He drove down the road stabbed himself several times walked back to the house. Came in the door from the deck to the kitchen and collapsed on the floor. They called it in as a car accident so the police wouldn't arrive with drawn firearms. You never know what happened until after the call.

[@nebraskaninkansas347]

From a police perspective the tactics are good for police. Back out, especially since your outnumbered and on their territory. You have no idea whats behind the corner. Just back out and wait for additional units. Go down the hall and it could get ugly in a hurry and result in serious injuries or dearh. I probably would have backed farther from the house to increase reaction distance or get behind cover. You never know if he could emerge from the house armed with a gun or a knife. Give yourself some distance and cover to be able to safely react to the threat.

[@j2o3sh]

Typically in that circumstance I would be telling the person who said “come on in” to come to the door and I would be outside. Then I would radio for a backup unit or two. Then start figuring out what was happening if the person was compliant by following direction to come to the door. If the person was not compliant but not violent or anything… just wait for backup. Similar to guys pulling over a car with a bunch or people in it, always call for a back up.

[@MicksAussieGarden]

Hey champ, ex voluteer in Australia. Couple of questions....when you turn up to a structure fire showing heavy flame, why don't you initially get a line onto the fire from the outside? It just seems that by the time an internal attack is commenced that the fire has grown exponentially. Surely an initial dowsing of the visible flame would help keep damage to a minimum? Secondly, not a question, maybe more of an observation. You commented a few times at how the volunteer brigades seem to be in more of a hurry (?) to get water on a fire and I wonder if that is because career fighfighters treat this like a job whereas the volunteers have more of a connection to the community. Your thoughts?

[@StephenNurn]

When you take a window you are introducing oxygen to fire and helping the spread. When you make an interior attack, you’re starting from the inside and pushing out. Once the water is on the fire, the windows are taken for ventilation. Usually by the time the line if flaked and charged , the nozzle man is in position inside to start his attack. Volunteer firefighters have more of a rush than career firefighters just for the simple fact they don’t get as much fires most of the time. Take pride in what you do and be good at it. Volunteering isn’t just about helping the community.

[@AJ31CO]

My department does hit it from the outside if flames are showing. We call it buying time back. Hit it from the outside (if possible) while the pump operator is setting your nozzle pressure, then advance to the seat of the fire.

[@scheeset]

When coming upon a fire the environment should also be taken into. The weather is one of them. The wind can make a lot of difference. I use to work for a volunteer for department most of our fires were wildfires. The weather can make a big difference. I have s seen a small BLM controlled burn and up burning over 10000 acres. Due to weather and a fire that was over 20,000 acres for departments from the east were called to support. A department from New Jersey came and saw the size of the fire. One guy said this this is a unbelievable back east of we have a 100 acres fire it is huge. We laughed, and replied if it is only a hundred acres we wouldn't need you.

[@nolanbrown6894]

I'm currently in high school and want to become a career firefighter eventually. My city's FD doesn't hire until you're 21, however, I can join my local vounteer department at 18, which I plan to do. Does anyone have any recomendations as to what I can do (job) between 18 and 21 that I could possibly continue doing when I am a career firefighter?

[@scottbock9197]

Become a carpenter's apprentice.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

21 that is infantilising

[@chrivstian]

Highly recommend the military, there’s actually even firefighting jobs in the military as well if you score high enough on the ASVAB.

[@LucasL512]

A very interesting subject. Perhaps a deeper dive into the subject with more/better examples would be cool. I'm not a first responder, but I am doing a first aid course soon, and I am part of my country's civilian CPR network, so I am also interested in the basics to keep myself safe when (people around) the victim is/are agitated

[@peterjermyn5785]

It seemed as though there was something illegal going on like domestic problems and he wanted to make the responder think everything was okay getting him on his side but I could tell tensions were high getting out was smart idea

[@watchthe1369]

What was the initial phone call? The guy in the back has a taunting tone, is big and seems to be deliberately sucking the officer in. I wonder what the original call was.

[@kenbrown2808]

WHAT IS THE OFFICER THERE FOR? big question, and possibly the most important. yes, scene safety is critical and yes, people going through a dozen repetitions in training mentally pencil whip scene safety and BLS checks. (I was being a test dummy for someone doing initial patient contact, and I know for a FACT when they said "pulse and breathing normal" the breathing WASN'T normal - I wasn't breathing on some of the repetitions) but if you're there for someone not breathing, and you say "no, man, I'ma hang outside until backup arrives" the customers will get agitated, guaranteed. that's why, if you're not planning on going in, it's best to wait around the corner until backup catches up.

[@albinoguidedog]

Some departments have a policy to where PD Will secure the scene then EMS and Fire roll in. So if the cop feels the scene is unsafe or dangerous then he will GTFU and call for backup, then once more PD officers come and secure the scene then Fire and EMS can roll in.

[@warrencole402]

Hey mike. I asked this question not too long ago but I was wondering where did you get that rhino in the background?

[@mike_pertz]

Hey Warren, I believe I got it on Amazon of all places haha...it was a while ago

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@mike_pertz Did you see what happened in Aldgate in London

[@gwencrawford737]

"WATCH THE $#&@@#! HANDS!!!!" Look where the subject's left hand is... It's held behind his left thigh... that is a VERY common position, for an armed assailant to carry a weapon and conceal it from view, until they are ready to use it. Notice the lights out in that room full of guys... and the light is coming from down that hall, behind the subject. Yes, the hallway is small... Consider if the officer complied with the subject's desire, and moved forward into that hallway. Now, three 'chill guys' from that room, can get up, and move behind the officer to block egress... and the main subject then has his quarry, the officer, right where he wants him. THIS... is "NOT GOOD", to say the least of it... and, thankfully, the officer noticed the very real potential for becoming a modern day incarnation of General Custer... and UNLIKE General Custer... he had the sense to BACK... UP... It reminds me of what my first lieutenant told me, as a young probationary firefighter... "Bad situations are like dog-s--t... you don't want any on you, right? Good... If it looks like s--t... don't walk into it. Back up and regroup, and YES... CALL for back-up!" When cops are on scenes... one thing they like to establish early on, is control of peoples' movements on the scene. Sometimes it takes stern commands to achieve that. SMART cops will try to use softer, more tactful ways to 'lead' people to WANT to comply...(And THEN take note of those who are resistant to that!) But the mantra... "If you don't control the situation... the situation MAY end up controlling YOU!" certainly comes into play. So I try to keep everyone in sight... and keep our egress options wide open. Honestly, as firefighters and EMTs and Paramedics, we NEED to take quite a few chapters out of the police training area of expertise, and incorporate them into our training and education and on the job development. NOT so we can 'be just like our blue brothers and sisters and do what they do'... But so we can USE what knowledge THEY have learned about assessing scenes and managing potentially violent hazards, to SPOT dangerous situations developing that could involve violence, and then PROACTIVELY make sure that WE don't END UP in a violent situation in a position of grave, or even deadly disadvantage.

[@itsyaboimat2393]

Case in point we got toned to a smoke in a building/ possible structure fire today in a mutual aid town and the chief said to hold all my mutual aid in quarters well he went to do a size up and not even 10 minutes later radios into our county dispatch center that a resident had pulled a gun on him and told him to leave, so the cops got called and had to handle it and it turned out to be nothing

[@Tekkieknows]

What is B.S.I ??? Never heard that or had scene safety taught.

[@clay8222]

Body substance isolation

[@thehammerofben5603]

Im gonna disagree on what was for you, you initial warning sign. The fact that he knocked on the door and 3 people were right there and nobody answered the door for him even after he said 'killeen PD' is a warning for me. Most cases ivy seen when emergency services come knocking on the door then people answer not say 'come on in' unless something crazy is happening but there was no urgency in their foice

[@OfficerYeknom]

As the great gospel of the NREMT states, BSI Scene Safe.

[@ronthemogul]

I remember doing my ride along with a private ambulance for emt classes and the lack of awareness by the emts i rode with was alarming

[@johnhood578]

I got a reality check in a situation like that. I was working as an EMT for a small fire department. I had an off duty police officer for my driver. We responded to an unknown injury. The door was open and there was a good bit of blood at the entry. I'm ready to just walk in and find my patient but the officer put his hand on my shoulder and stepped in front of me as he pulled his weapon. I'm like Holy crap. We made contact. The man had cut himself while working on his lawn mower but it could have been so much more. It was my wake up call.

[@kevadams1964]

I've had some sketchy situations in my career. I agree the training needs to be more comprehensive. EMS training should incorporate the same points that law enforcement covers, such as, body language, verbal judo, and the types of tricks bad/mental people use to lure and trap their victims. Mike, you should look into dekalb county Georgia fire. They had a hostage situation a few years back where an engine company was held at gunpoint.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Christ

[@AStrangeTree]

Maybe I’m looking too deep into it, but the dude’s hand gesture throws up some red flag for me a little. Like you say, you get an intuition for these sorta things. I have a TON of psych patients in my area, and the first thing that usually tips me off someone is psych is gestures or speech patterns that are out of the ordinary It’s very strange how fluid his arm is, as he keeps repeatedly making the motion to come closer. Typically people keep their arm straight out and just give a few finger curls or something. They don’t repeat the motion very much, just a few quick movements and then they stop, whereas he repeats the motion a lot. And they don’t usually gesture with the entirety of their arm. It also looked to me (maybe I’m mistaken) that he wasn’t just curling his fingers back towards his palm, but also flexing them together which is kinda weird. That combines with his speech. Before the cop can even verbalize his refusal to come closer, he starts insisting with “No no no no no no.” A normal, calm person would typically hear the officer out first, it’s almost like he was expecting the officer to decline the moment he walked in.

[@ericfan1223]

they killed this guy, didnt have to do that imo