This Lens Could Cost $35,000. It Doesn’t. - The DZOFilm Arles Primes

[@markwiemels]

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[@christopn]

My understanding is that full frame (open gate) essentially is Vista Vision which is 8 perf 35 mm fed horizontally like a stills camera is oriented or a full frame sensor. So 36 mm x 24 mm or very close to it.

[@Studiotek]

The 3D Pop and Toneh is out of this world!

[@ChrisM-yq2pq]

I want Toneh

[@MisterDeets]

Those lenses are so sharp, bright and have such low aberration that viewing the footage of daylight subjects feels like someone pulled your eyelids open using cellotape (scotch tape for people in the US). I'm so used to seeing footage loaded with at least subtle vignetting and chromatic aberration that it feels unnaturally bright and clean when those things are absent.

[@markwiemels]

Yah, they really are nuts.

[@antontaranenko8824]

Thank you for the nice review ☺️ You are very much right about vignetting😊 Many of my friends which making a living by videography and photography, and myself, boosting vignette manually on the modern vignetteless lenses to add 3d pop of the subject and add a depth to the scene... The only difference is, expensive vignetteless lenses allowing you composition flexibility placing subject in any place of the frame, and the rest you just apply in post ... The lenses with vignette are constraining you to the center of the frame, because vignette is a signs of other abberations on the edge...😊😊

[@Josh_Sattin]

Fantastic review Mark! Those lenses look super nice and I would love to try them!

[@markwiemels]

Thanks man!

[@SWATxPolicy]

Mark, can I ask that next time you try to stop down a bit more? T1.4 is impressive but I don’t think it’s fair to give us 90% wide open shots when I know I would be shooting between 2.4 and 4.0 much more frequently if I owned them.

[@markwiemels]

Yes, I totally agree. This is an issue when I do these videos, since I have no idea (from the file) what T stop I'm using, I end up shooting most of the footage wide open, so when I'm looking at the footage, I actually know what I'm evaluating. While shooting the samples I kept thinking, I would't actually shoot this shot wide open, in a real shoot. I appreciate the feedback, I need to work out a way to manage this better. Your comment has reinforced that for me.

[@westwoodmanorfilms7779]

If someone was trying to decide between these and the Nisi Athena lenses, how would you weigh the pros and cons of those two choices?

[@johannm7794]

I am actually between those two. I think a really big difference (besides the T-stop) will be size and weight. I just recently tried the Nisis and they are so small and light it’s awesome for Gimbal builds and easy run and gun.

[@Rukiasriot1]

I wonder how these compare to the Zeiss otus lenses

[@SIBIRIAKcom]

did I hear it right? EF? EF???? 😩 I'm crying out of happiness.

[@Dezdirectz]

Yes

[@RecWaltfilm]

this lenses are so good. Thank you! I raccomand you to try the dulens apo primes, underadar "budget" cine lens with cooke style, the few review i see, and the article i read, all says the dulens are beast with a mixture of true vintage stile and modern lens.

[@noreaction1]

Do these work with the module 8 L1 L2 and L3 tuner/adaptors? I have a canon R5 RF mount but I can’t find if these lenses are compatible in that setup

[@markwiemels]

Great question. I think they should, but I don’t know. I will see if I can get one to test. Which one do you recommend?

[@sonofthesea]

Brilliant and thorough review - thank you.

[@nick_salazar]

Hey Mark, I think your review is really well-suited for your usual prosumer audience (in terms of how you describe it in the video's intro). But if you don't mind me busting in on your turf, I'd suggest just a couple of subtle ways to think about high-end cine glass which may be useful to you in future reviews of this kind. And keep in mind, these are just MY thoughts, so they may be totally worthless. First, comparisons against higher-tier lenses are rarely about chart performance, the exact shape of corner bokeh, etc. Keep in mind that until very recently, we all experienced movies in 1080p, which is just a 2 megapixel image. At that level, a lot of those very fine details never mattered (and largely still don't). In my experience, the world of high-tier cinema glass is so much more about feeling and emotion rather than factual specs. One could argue that some (or even most) of these "emotions" are just placebo or crowd thinking. But there is at least SOME real truth to the "indescribable magic" of certain lenses. And for that magic, some people will be willing to pay a higher price. Second, these lenses actually vignette slightly *MORE* when wide open than some of their closest competitors like the Sigma FF Cine. and the Tokina Cinema Vista sets. You can see this for yourself using CVP's excellent lens coverage tool. And those lenses aren't crazy exotic; the Sigma set is the same optical formula as their Art series of photo stills, just in cinema housings. It's not terrible on the Arles set, but slightly more rather than less. It's also easily correctable (in my "Forever Lenses" video I corrected it out for many of the shots). Anyway, those are just some random thoughts, feel free to tell me they're totally BS, or that I'm a jackass, or just ignore it all completely. Again, lovely work, and it's been fun e-meeting you through these comment threads.

[@markwiemels]

Some good insight, thanks for sharing.

[@rayymlai]

@mark, i'm curious of your perspective: how are Arles lenses compared to: 1. Irix T1.5 cine lens - clinically sharp, affordable price, well-controlled CA and focus breathing 2. laowa argu T1.0 cine lens - relatively (not clinically) sharp... Thanks

[@cinqo7]

Wow! Did you shoot the footages shown at the section: "More than A Clean Image" with that LUMIX camera?! Did you use any LUT or do any heavy grading? Was it a SOOC footage video? Thanks!!! Amazing video!

[@markwiemels]

It was Panasonic V-Log with the Phantom ARRI LUT (Neutral). You can get the same results with about any camera and those LUTS.

[@halhowens4205]

Are you related to Mark Denney? His long lost twin? Same look, voice, mannerisms.... It's uncanny. Anyway, great channel!

[@gabrielmachadobsb]

I've watched a lot of Arles videos since their release, and while they look absolutely fantastic, comparing them to the true high end like Cooke, Angénieux, Arri or Leitz is overselling it. Imo they seem better than Sigma Primes but not as good as the Tokina Vistas. Considering the Sigmas are around 5k each and the Tokinas range from 6 to 8k, it's still a fantastic value proposition. But still not quite competing with the top shelf (and how could we expect them to, when the Arles set costs less than a single Prime from the top lines?)

[@Anatol19066]

Thank you for sharing this information! Will keep it in mind. Will i buy them? No. Who actually buys cinema lenses? But I will definitely rent them once I will need them.

[@ez8937]

My god, I am so happy I didn’t get the Nisi Athena Primes. These seem to be the perfekt lens kit for me. Any info when they will launch the 40mm?

[@AlChered]

These are x2 price and weight of Nisi Athenas so there is like no competition. Different lenses for different purpose.

[@ez8937]

@@AlChered You are right of course, but is price the main criteria for your lens choice? For me, optical features and the look are way more important (still in a certain price range). Yes, these cost round about a thousand dollars more than the Athena’s but they are much faster and size and weight doesn’t matter as much for my use case. And they are more consistent color wise. But they do share a lot of features so there is competition! They are very affordable (2400$ is still a steal considering they beat the Zeiss nano primes in every regard that matters to me and cost a fraction), clean, modern, fast, well controlled cine lenses with very little distractions like focus breathing. Tell me one more lens set with these features in the sub 2500$ range? I think there are lots of people considering both.

[@AlChered]

@@ez8937 Yeah, the price and weight are very important aspects for me as i'm mostly a solo shooter. And I believe that a simple blind comparison would tell that there is a little to no difference between Arles and Athenas. Athenas (and may be Vespids) are now the best bang for the buck among the cine lenses at least from my point of view.

[@chosenideahandle]

Excellent video, as always! I lean toward clean and clinical, with the option to add a little of what I like in post🤷‍♂!

[@user-yx4wx4oq4g]

You cant compare thes to something like master primes 🤣

[@RJvidmoto]

Nice work here Mark...I apprecate time you put into the video. I have several DZO lenses, looking forward to picking up one to see if I sell my Vespids and go all Arles...RJ

[@jamtotoro9850]

Great review! You've got some video samples in 3:2 aspect ratio. Is this cropped or does your camera support some kind of full sensor video?

[@markwiemels]

Thanks. That’s open gate video, using the full sensor. Since I don’t have a vista vision camera, that allowed me to use a bit more of the lens.

[@jamtotoro9850]

@@markwiemels That's actually a really clever idea to see more of the image circle. I actually watch your videos on a large 3:2 monitor, so it would be really fun to see an entire video like that!

[@markwiemels]

@@jamtotoro9850 I almost did the whole video that way, but was afraid it would throw some viewers off. I may experiment with it in a future video.

[@enricojakobsoriano]

Impressive set of lenses. Thanks for the review.

[@javixo1997]

Vista vision is 8 perforations 35mm film, why is that supposed to be bigger than full frame if both are the same size? Am I missing something?

[@timruegg2743]

its the same height but a bit wider

[@atogweoghieaga2205]

Hi Mark, how are you doing ? Please can this lens be used to shoot pictures aside from video use which is their core? Thanks in advance for your quick revert

[@markwiemels]

Yes, it can.

[@prostigeMarketing]

The 50mm is definitely on my wish list

[@theshortlist]

Reminds me of milvus and otus...

[@FEARLESSHYENADESIGN]

You should slap an E-mount on a mason jar and review it as the most affordable lens for its quality.

[@markwiemels]

I made one with a Coke can, out soon.

[@johnmccrary6712]

Can you ever suggest Cinema lenses for Nikon Z series? I know manufacturers don't create cinema lenses for F/Z mounts, but it'd be great to hear a budget lens to adapt to these camera mounts

[@markwiemels]

You can adapt any PL cine lens, like this one.

[@selkiemaine]

I wonder how that 75mm lens would work for taking portrait stills. I think that even the high end Sony and Canon lenses lose more sharpness than that does wide open. It might just be a case of adding back some Orton effect, or it might be amazing.

[@markwiemels]

I think it would be good, they also have a 100mm, and the image form that one is bonkers good. I went with the 75 for the versatility, but the image from the 100 was stunning.

[@slurp3194]

do you know the distortion performance of the 25mm lens? i am really looking for a wide angle lens with the least distortion possible. would be cool to see more reviewers test cine lens against a graph.

[@markwiemels]

I don't, but I'm trying to get one.

[@inSurfersParadise]

Ooooohwh! When the wool cheque comes in.

[@marius_thsch]

Great video! But it is very funny to hear Americans get the metric system wrong 😅

[@markwiemels]

What was wrong?

[@marius_thsch]

@@markwiemels just the scale. There was an accidental addition of a decimal at the end, making the close focus at around 7 meters in stead of 70cm. It’s very easy to do, but it sticks out very easily for us watching from Europe 😁 But the video was very informative and now I am looking at getting a set for myself, so thank you for making a great video!

[@JosephRossPhotography]

No RF mount 😢 these lenses look awesome and so does the kit price!!!

[@markwiemels]

The mount is user swappable to EF mount. I’m waiting on confirmation of the price of the EF mount kit.

[@JosephRossPhotography]

Yea I seen the price on adorama, it would’ve been nice to have a RF mount. Maybe in the future they have RF available. I have on adapter I don’t want to by another for my newest camera.

[@KaceyBakerFilms]

Hmm, I know many won’t agree with me. But this footage looks rather video-ish to me.

[@markwiemels]

That's the high shutter speed. In real world use, you would use an ND filter, but I find the choice of ND filter will effect the image and colors (even the ones that say they don't), so I use a high shutter speed in the lens reviews.

[@markwiemels]

Also, just a REC709 conversion, no grade or attempt to make the footage look like anything. Trying to provide a neutral image.

[@JBGIMAGINATION]

Yes indeed, and has nothing to do with ND, it is the shutter, and ultimately it is the motion cadence you get from a panny "camera".

[@Eissen_meteor]

those focus breathing control is insane...

[@markwiemels]

Yes, it's impressive.

[@عبداللهعبدالله-ض7و4ف]

👍

[@itsmeurboi]

The girl in shot doesn't seem overly happy to be there :l

[@markwiemels]

Haha… She’s my daughter, and she’s not, but the face is mostly she has no idea what face to make in the videos.

[@itsmeurboi]

@@markwiemels Understandable, now i think im pretty sure i would be even worse to work with at that age lol

[@yamazaru8236]

did I just miss the part about apsc and full format that you teased? 🥸 might rewatch later

[@markwiemels]

When I talk about how the vista vision coverage means you get almost no vignette on full frame and below, even at T1.4. It’s a look we’re not used to seeing, and gives the images a very bight, ethereal look.

[@yamazaru8236]

@@markwiemels ah, missed that point! Thanks 🙏

[@markwiemels]

Oh, and in case it wasn’t clear, it was a good thing. I used the word “ramifications” which kinda sounds like it could be a bad thing.

[@yamazaru8236]

@@markwiemels thought so, yeah :) Basically the smaller sensor is cropping the vignette away, helping the image you are getting to be that much more crisp is what I thought

[@yamazaru8236]

@@markwiemels not sure if you keep tabs on the comments here, but something that I haven't seen done in reviews, is a quick comparison of all 7artisans 35mm options (0.95/1.2/1.2II/1.4 afaik). Would something like that be in the cards? Got the 0.95 and thinking of getting another smaller one for travel