This Lens is Redefining Budget Photography: Here's How

[@markwiemels]

[GET THE LENS HERE] Sony E - geni.us/d7dp Fuji X - geni.us/kEzs Canon RF - geni.us/BpFFOy Nikon Z - geni.us/W9js Micro 4/3 - geni.us/hD6i Camera I used for images samples - geni.us/Qb7j1

[@fdadufalza]

Can this fit ef mount?

[@markwiemels]

@@fdadufalza No EF.

[@fdadufalza]

Can you suggest a lense that fit an ef mount that can equal the characteristics of that lense

[@marknongkhlaw1674]

This is an APSC lens you said. Does it mean I can only use it on Canon RF APSC? How will it behave on my R6m2? Will the camera go into crop mode? If yes, what would the megapixels be and I'm afraid the vinyetting would become worse. A penny for your thoughts ..

[@markwiemels]

@@marknongkhlaw1674 Yes, you can use it in crop mode, but it's only 9.1MP then. You could also shoot in Full Frame mode then crop in editing, and probably get a few more MP out of it, but I don't know exactly how many.

[@grandpascuba]

Sorry I’m going to geek out a bit… 50mm is not the true “normal” focal length for full frame. The mathematical normal is defined as the diagonal measurement of the sensor (or negative). Full frame is 36mm x 24mm. So if you use Pythagorean theory the normal focal length would be 43mm. Using the same math, the normal lens for APS-C is 28mm. For 6x6cm it is 85mm. But most manufacturers supplied either 80mm or 90mm on those cameras. On a side note, the APS-C sensor is the same size of the negative from what used to be called “half frame” 35mm film. That’s why the crop factor for APS-C is 1.5.

[@markwiemels]

Interesting!

[@izzatIHH55]

I have 45mm lens with me. Interesting to know that it's very close to the normal focal length! 😮

[@Pantheragem]

​@izzatIHH55 Makes sense that for the 12 years I used my D90, my Sigma 30mm 1.4 was practically welded to it.

[@flagger2020]

Like my Pentax fa 43mm limited lens then

[@aweidenhammer]

Nerd out any time! Great info!

[@ArtemKosik-]

it was gifted to me by my sister as a birthday present. I first underrated this lens since it was manual focus (and it was quite on the heavier side) . But then after a little bit of searching an learning, I am starting to look at this lens at a different way. It made me more creative from time to time and when my buddies hang around me they get shocked at how wide this lens can capture, I am really thankful to my sister that she made me experience such a great lens.

[@go0ot]

Wow, unbelievable how straight for 10mm, value for money. This is the channel for lenses, affordable too. Thanks 🎉

[@pb-photography-qf9xo]

its likle 16mm FF

[@BobDiaz123]

I just love the wide angle lenses. There's something about the look they give that makes it feel like how I'm seeing with my eyes. With video, the wide field of view makes it feel like I'm there.

[@Canadianforestfairy]

Have you tried this one for video or what’s your fav?

[@BobDiaz123]

@@Canadianforestfairy I have a Panasonic Micro 4/3s camera and I love the Panasonic 9mm F1.7; equal to an 18mm Full Frame.

[@artfrontgalleries1818]

For nearly all of my work, and I am an Obsessive/Compulsive, I use a 10 to 24 and a 24 to 70. When I'm in a City, I go with my 10 to 24 . If I am careful about holding the camera parallel to the horizon, there is very little distortion. If I tilt it up or down, I can emphasize the patterns on tiled or marble plazas (like the one's I'm seeing in Budapest today) or emphasize the monumentality of the churches and Statuary. I do depend on Autofocus and exposure assistance as, at 75, I don't focus as quickly as I one did

[@parshua]

The normal field of view is equivalent to the diagonal of the medium (film, sensor, etc), so 43mm for 35mm SLRs. In the past using SLRs, if you had your right eye to the viewfinder and left eye open, the two images would match. Thanks for the review.

[@markwiemels]

Thank you! I will have to try this.

[@REMY.C.]

Wouldn't the viewfinder magnification have a big role in this to make both eyes coincide?

[@BobDiaz123]

@parshua I always felt that the 35mm (Full Frame) lens seemed closer to the "normal" field of view than the 50mm. The 50mm lens always felt like a crop of what I was seeing with my eyes. While my eyes can see wider than a 35mm lens, it seems like it covers the key part of my vision. I've heard that the 50mm Normal lens was chosen by Leica many years ago and was not really based on any math or science. Since then, everyone has copied what Leica chose.

[@thedarkslide]

Chinese lens manufacturers are gradually stepping up their game. I got the 6mm f2 Laowa for MFT which is coupled for aperture control with the lens mount contacts, it's still manual focus though. That lens is stunning - and tiny. Having that in the bag at all times is a no-brainer when you're on MFT.

[@markwiemels]

Yes, that lens looks great.

[@duschbrauser]

I have the 25mm F2 and 50mm F1.2 from TTArtisan. I love the character of these lenses. Images look better than from my Fuji lenses.

[@itsr7studio]

I have the 27mm from TTArtisan. The character from that lens has me re-thinking my Fuji lens investment!

[@duschbrauser]

@@itsr7studio same here 😅

[@SamuraiSal-mk6tx]

just bought the 25mm from TTArtisan and Im not using my Fuji lenses for now. Also the manual focus is a lot of fun and this lens has got the filmic character, soooo nice.

[@nyohaku]

I would love to see a side-by-side comparison to the Viltrox 13. It has quite a well reserved reputation now, but it is a bit bulky. Would be nice to hear about subtle color rendition. Pastels, for example.

[@OrlandoPla]

I just want to add, that it solves many problems for those of us using a micro 4/3 camera for indoor use. This is my new office studio video lens. Great economy lens if you do not need autofocus and your camera is on a tripod.

[@winstonwong7270]

its a shame TT Artisans have abandoned the Canon M mount…..They discontinued the 17mm for Canon M and its not releasing any more new lenses like this for Canon M mount……

[@markwiemels]

I know, I can only assume they were not selling enough, but it is a shame.

[@belivmi]

It’s canon that doesn’t let lens manufacturer produce canon lenses

[@whitedav1]

Is there any reason the RF mount with an adapter would not be suitable for a M series Canon?

[@janlipski5215]

I have this lens on my SonyA711 at the moment for landscapes. I know by changing the sensor to APSC I'm only getting 10.7 MP but the images are still crisp. There is a rather large vignetting issues but seems to subside at F8 on Auto ISO. For the money it's a good bit of kit.

[@MattTrevett]

This lens is really a bargain. Even if you have a full-frame camera and run it in crop mode. The price and size justify throwing it in your bag to have a pretty wide angle in addition to whatever other lens you're using that doesn't go quite as wide. The wider lenses give you the sort of cell-phone "just snap a photo" experience where focusing isn't that hard, and the f/2 gives this a pretty small size. Also having two hood / cap options is a lot of flexibility for a $170 lens. The closest lens I have is the Sigma 14-24mm F2.8 DG DN ART for full frame and if you were to carry it in the bag just to have an ultra-wide it's a significant amount of extra weight and space (also costs 8x as much).

[@AdamAllen]

My thoughts exactly about buying for my FF and running it in crop mode. Barely any other options for the size, weight, quality and price of this one even when going with vintage lenses.

[@LiBrian2]

I'm curious, for astrophotography and general landscape use, which would be the best choice, this lens, the Rokinon 12mm, or the 13mm Viltrox? I am interested in trying astrophotography. I'm on the Fujifilm system (X-T1).

[@enshongmiranda]

Cool that they've nailed the flare/haze performance on this lens! I've loved the other TTArtisan lenses I used to own but ultimately gave them up because the flare/haze is just really bad.

[@lionheart4424]

Those sun stars look quite pleasing!

[@hannahabbott216]

There were only 10 of the Sony e-mount left in stock on Amazon when I went to check and this lens would serve me well. Had to grab it! Awesome review, thank you!

[@jarradmann3357]

Thanks Mark, it's on my buy list for my Fuji.

[@markwiemels]

You’ll like it.

[@GreySectoid]

Very good points, just ordered myself this lens as well. My first ultra wide, can't wait.

[@isabelladavis1363]

Love that I’ve come across your channel as well as your enthusiasm for what you review… I HAD to order it especially living in such a beautiful architectural city Deep South much history and the fact that the lines stay so true to what we see… creativity to rejuvenate my recent stale state of mind and excitement in rediscovering photography once more … several more on my list since I started following you … affordable invigorating renewed once again…stay blessed next on the list portraiture with 35 mm 0.95 and night usage

[@SquirrelGlitch]

I've been looking for a cheap lens to play with. Thanks for the vid and I'll have to wait until Monday for amazon to deliver it!

[@markwiemels]

Enjoy!

[@delicrux]

the dramatic closeups remind me of the opening scene in dune where he uses the voice and they do the close up shots of the face and the glass of water.

[@Kabab]

How does this lens look on a full frame in full frame mode? Please include that in the future on any APS-C lens. Many of them do quite well on full frame albeit not as good as a full frame lens but more useful than just throwing away thr boarders. Thanks for your videos. They're really fantastic. You're presenting a very good representation of the lenses with the way you talk about them.

[@tathagatamukherjee2697]

Love the way this lens captures the menu. Love Yellow Deli cinnamon rolls

[@markwiemels]

Thanks for the tip! Will try them.

[@trezegol2007]

That's how I see and also use ultra wide lenses, as long as they don't destort, when travelling. You said it correctly, wherever I also go, museums, cities, mountains...there has to be that one or two photos that will "wrap around" the scene and tell a story where I've been to, what place, how big or small was it? Only a ultra wide lens can give you that. Still it's not a lens I'll make tons of pictures with, like you said, it's either to start my moment somewhere, or to have a proper closure before leaving the place :)

[@kostyafedot551]

16mm on FF is bit of extreme. But I used it often with 16-35 2.8. Speaking about eye FOV. It is 21 mm or 90 degrees. Try 21 mm without O(EVF) just by pointing camera to where you are looking at. You'll see how close it is to what you see. :)

[@rookietheone]

Great lens for a beginner astrophotographer

[@MarkCupLee]

For astrophotography, which is one of the main use of this kinds of super-wide angle fast lens, the poor corner sharpness is really a shame... As it's often needed to stake multiple exposures as the sky rotates in frame, every part of the frames are equaly importent for them to be staked perfectly.

[@showdaKOs]

This is the only thing lacking from this review, what about the astrophotography? The lense on paper (a cheap, fast, manual 10mm) is an astrophotography wet dream...

[@LightningSpritesJetsWizard]

The Meike 10mm F2 looks better quality and now sells discounted for €300 in their own store, but then, it doesn't have that charm of portability.

[@rosanerosendo6679]

Hi, Mark, if this lens is good for astrophotography is also my question.

[@blackbuddha1854]

already had mine backordered 👍 looking forward to getting it in a couple weeks

[@frondeurone]

Mark, I love this lens, but when using at f2 to f4 there is a significant distortion on the corners. I noticed this when I had people in the corners and in focus. Is there a lightroom formula for this lens to help correct that?

[@timstools]

The photos with this lens did look immersive and beautiful, thanks for the video

[@markwiemels]

Thanks!

[@danneukirch4486]

Lots of shots of Katoomba / Blue mountains! Where I grew up. Great review, thanks. I wonder how it would perform for Astro, with coma etc. Sharpness to the edge of frame is desirable for the landscape photography crowd. Definitely an interesting lens that I’ll look more into.

[@markwiemels]

Yes, seems a candidate for astro, but I have not tested it.

[@erbterb]

A screw on hood is preferred because you will not accidentally drop it when you bump into things. Speed should not be your concern shooting 10/15 mm. It is not a car race you will be photographing.

[@Pissarrio]

can you out a video explaining, vinneating, chromatic aberration, diffraction and all that terminology?

[@markwiemels]

I have been meaning to do that. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@maximiacovacci]

I prefer this lens cap solution over the one that just slots over and always falls in my backpack

[@MattVidPro]

A great full frame budget option would be the canon RF 16mm love that lens!

[@dergelenkspreizer5272]

I own then Laowa 15mm F2 Zero Distorsion on fullframe. The usecases are rare to be honest.

[@markwiemels]

I personally enjoy that FOV, and use it regularly on FF. For me it's the FOV for wrap around environments, like I said in the video, of course this is all personal preference really.

[@dergelenkspreizer5272]

@@markwiemels Sure. I need it for real estate indoor. It's work not joy in my case. People are different 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

how can i use this on a nikon f mount body? i cant find any adapters for nikon f mount body, im new to photography, how come there no adapters for this?

[@HeyMulege]

Looking forward to getting mine. Coming via mule to Mexico.

[@mikegarwood8680]

What? This is a manual focus, crop sensor, wide angle lens. Yes, it is fast--on an APS-C camera. If you put it on a full-frame camera, it will vignette terribly and will be, at best f3. Yes, it's cheap for a brand new lens, but I don't see this redefining anything. There is a lot of good, used glass out there that will be better than this. Ultimately, it's only a tool; the photographer still has to do the hard work.

[@gillesmatheronpro]

No. This f/2 aperture will always be an f/2 (or f:2), no matter the type of sensor you mount it before. Focal length (which is a unit) and aperture (which is not a unit, but the result of a ratio, hence the "/" or ":") are fixed values and they do NOT change with the sensor size. If you've ever attended some cinema or audiovisual school, this belongs to the basics. What changes though is the apparent field of view of the final image, and the resulting depth of field when framing and in the final image. The Laws of Optics, which we owe to Augustin Fresnel (the man who invented that special light focusing lens element) for many, are complicated. But a little effort goes a long way.

[@mikegarwood8680]

@@gillesmatheronpro I used to think this, however, I have been repeatedly told that since the APS-C "light cone" (iris diameter) is smaller--due to the smaller sensor, that if one takes and mounts an APS-C lens onto a Full Frame body--it will vignette badly (obviously) and that the "overall averaged" light to register on the Full Frame sensor would be about a full stop lower (or some fraction the listed f-stop on the lens). I have shot pictures using this combination (disabling the auto crop) and the central "cone" is exposed, and the light tapers off to black the further one goes from the center. Conversely, a Full Frame lens will only expose the central portion of the light cone, as the iris is larger (I can't remember the math). It is some reciprocal of the sensor sizes in square millimeters. This where your "depth of field" changes, as you describe, since, again, the sensor cannot process the light outside its size/geometry. I am unsure of what the f-stop will do, My instinct would be to say that the light would or should be the value as indicated on the given f-stop, but as above, I've been shown to be incorrect. This is why I stay away from APS-C cameras and lenses.

[@ngonzale3]

Between this one and the 12mm britin star, which performs best?

[@georgebowen2161]

Can you get an adapter for Nikon F mount? I only have DSLRs. I can't afford mirrorless.

[@lukesmn5795]

Thank you so much for your detail review. May I know which one do you recommend for astrophotography in APSC between this lens and Yongnuo 11mm lens? I cannot find any comparison between these two lens so I cannot decide what to buy. I am okay with Manual focus. Thnak you.

[@jonchiong2589]

Awesome review sir! If you have the chance, can you also review the TTartisan 7.5mm F2? Loving the series on budget lens recommendation!

[@xrpsnotrocket5112]

Thanks for taking the time. Will this lens function on a EF/EF-S Canon 70D with an adapter?

[@lordnilsson]

I have a question ! Do you know or have you heard, if any brand or optical company use a thin layer of graphene to protect the surface of lenses..? Since graphene is extremely hard and strong.

[@ThorSinjo]

Hi there, Mark. I bought this lens for my GH5s. The image is not 35mm but more like 65mm. Your advice will be well appreciated.

[@markwiemels]

This 10mm should give you a filed of view of 20mm full frame equivalent.

[@lrnzccn5378]

Nice. Just... maybe include the lens focal length and f-stop numbers in the title. Thabks!!

[@AndrewCCM]

If I didn't have a 16-35 F2.8 EF that works on both my R7 and R5, I'd definitely look at this one. Nice review.

[@luciastrougo726]

I love your reviews! I am torn between two lenses. This 10 mm f2 and the 17 mm f1.4. Please help me choose.

[@tonykeltsflorida]

Sure, they waited for canon to kill the ef-m mount before making this lens.

[@coryosborne3937]

TTartisans are killing it lately!

[@utekopka7920]

Thank you very much for this very informative review! I think this might be a great lens too for milky way pictures.

[@jackbeltane]

I do prefer the screw on metal lens caps, I almost lost my TTArtisan 17mm cap last year when I dropped it in Degraves street it blends in too easy with bluestone cobblestone

[@brin57]

Nice Lens and Nice Aussie showcase 🙌

[@gameswithoutfrontears416]

Going to seriously consider this for my m43 cams.

[@zavman109]

Great, and convincing, review as always. Ordered one for my R7. Thanks.

[@jimofmarseille]

Hello and thanks for your reviews. Size and aperture apart how would you compare this TTartisan and the Aaowa 10mm F4 regarding IQ, flare, sharpness, CA ? It would be to mount on a 40mpix Fuji sensor. Thanks !

[@Altcine]

This looks great for my Blackmagic micro. Image should look quite crispy with 1080 👌🏾

[@ziga1218]

Can't decide between this one and Samyang 12mm with AF. Is AF worth it at this focal length? And almost double price.

[@Skinbom]

Your link for M43 goes to a Nikon mount lens

[@markwiemels]

Thanks for letting me know. Fixed it now.

[@stephencharlton2024]

Excellent, as always, many thanks

[@markwiemels]

Thank you!

[@f0t0b0y]

Very cool. As a photographer of over 25 years and a video transplant/wannabe of eight years, I’ve fallen in love with the Sony FS7 Mark II for my corporate, talking head work paired with Canon FD SSC glass. At this price point and shooting super 35. I’m excited to see how this pairs when I do need wider shots.

[@patrickmckeag3215]

Thanks for the video. I already have this one on my Amazon wish list for Sony e mount.

[@markwiemels]

You’ll love it.

[@likejustchiII]

Genius transition 01:57

[@markwiemels]

Thanks.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

in general i am a very big fan of TTArtisan and 7Artisan, their lenses are really amazing! But the 10mm... not so much... the distortion is too much for my taste. It's more than useable! But you can definitely see the distortion and with no in camera correction and (as of yet) no correction in LrC it would just be too much work

[@markwiemels]

I'm wondering if you are talking about perspective distortion, as compared to lens distortion (ie barrel). As this lens has amazingly low distortion, which is basically completely unnoticeable in real world use. If you are talking about how someones head, at the side or corner of frame, looks totally unnatural and stretched, that's perspective distortion, which isn't really correctable and would be a feature of any lens of this focal length, even if it was a 5k lens.

[@ve55]

I would like to know how good the barrel distortion is reduced in lens design compared to other lenses with same focal length.

[@ChopsticksDIYGarden]

Nice lens, and thank you for the review.

[@andmotta9686]

TTArtisans is amazing!

[@markwiemels]

Yeah, they are really killing it at the moment.

[@priyothegladiator9736]

What are your suggestions for canon m50 in 2024 for beginner to intermediate photographer?

[@Distortic]

I have a rokinon 15-25mm and i rarely shoot at 15 because i get next to no depth of field.

[@quickdry3]

How do you think this would compare with the 14mm Samyang/Rokinon for full frame? I have the old one, but the new versions look a lot more compact, more specifically much shorter. Not much seems to compare with the pricing that TTartisans get out there though

[@user-lb7bs1xh6i]

but we have to use tripod all the time using this lens?

[@UmunhumCycleworks]

Off topic, but how do you take your thumbnail photos? They all look so incredibly clean and professional! Either way, love the content!

[@markwiemels]

Thanks, 3 light setup, on a white table that I got out of someones garbage, and a moving blanked in the background. Just have to make sure none of the light spills onto the moving blanket to keep it dark. I added a bit of smoke to this one.

[@Oleg_K.]

​​​@@markwiemelsReally eye-catching stuff. I love it when I can tell it's a video of yours without having to check the channel name.

[@r0nathan]

which is better this or the meike 10mm f2 for fuji mount?

[@roachfromla4469]

Awesome work. thank you!

[@markwiemels]

You’re welcome.

[@benbunch4159]

“They’ve given as a lens that performs on par with the first party lens manufacturers and premium 3rd party lens manufacturers for 1/3rd the price.” But with no autofocus or electronics whatsoever for EXIF. So I really don’t think that’s a fair comparison. I think you can say it’s a good deal but doing that without acknowledging the inherent difference in functionality that comes with that up front is disingenuous. I also think it can be deceptively hard to manually focus ultra wide angles because of how small in the frame the area you’re focusing on may be. Still, awesome to see lenses like this at this pricepoint especially for more speciality lenses like something this wide. For me for an wide angle I went with the Viltrox 13mm f/1.4 and really love it. Sure it’s more expensive than this but still a steal for what it is.

[@markwiemels]

Yes, good point, I did intend to add the manual focus factor, but it slipped my mind when shooting. That convenience is the main thing you are gibing up.

[@ladylincoln6691]

Wish this worked for Canon R5 :(

[@glennmiles5365]

Helllo Mr. Wiemels. I like this rectilinear lens a lot, but I can't seem to find an adapter to fit it to my Canon 5D Mkll. Is it not possible?

[@markwiemels]

No, it's mirrorless only.

[@revmichael4]

no full frame version?

[@1956jude]

I have the Rokinon 12mm so I probably don't need this... or do I? Would those two extra millimeters make it worth my while? Thanks for the video.

[@markwiemels]

That’s a video I probably have to make. It’s hard to say, but there is a big difference between 10 and 12.

[@1956jude]

@@markwiemels I do mostly street photography and mostly later in the day and evening. I like those stars! I'll consider it. Thanks!

[@jaspervos4345]

@@markwiemels Please!!! i cannot seem to find a comparison video. Would love to see it, as both lenses seem to be really good.

[@mgscheue]

Same, here.

[@shotbyburba]

Hello, nice review! Is this lens usable on Nikon z6? Would there be any issues like really dark corners?

[@FifaInspected]

Mark, would this lens be a good option for photographing live music? I'm currently using the TT Artisan 25mm, Minolta 50mm 1.7, and Konica 135mm 2.8. I'm missing a wide option. Thank you.

[@tommanseau6277]

Bought one and returned it almost immediately. Could not get my sample to focus beyond 10 feet. My phone has a better wide angle lens and it want close. To be fair, it could easily be a one off problem, but 1st impressions matter. And it's not like I'm a newby to manual focus since I learned to shoot with film and manual focus.

[@markwiemels]

Yes, sounds like a quality control issue. You can adjust this yourself, but shouldn't have too (4 little screws on the side of the focus ring).

[@thebrowns1017]

OK but again it's an APS-C lens. It is the full frame equivalent of a 15mm or 16 mm in it's field of view. Good for the price though!

[@simmo303]

Impressed! Bought one.

[@simmo303]

I was about to buy an R7 when I saw your vid about the X-T1. Some research and bought X-T3.

[@tonysluna]

Great Find and Review... it is an amazing lens... I plan to buy...

[@markwiemels]

It's really unmatched at the price point.

[@ltlbuddha]

It isn't so much field of view, but magnification. A "normal" lens produces an image on the film or sensor that is the same magnification the naked eye sees. ETA: One of the difficulties in discussing photography is that the camera does not see like the human eye. No lens matches our eyes and no result is the same as what our brain perceives. It is easy to think they are equivalent, because some image are close to the composite that is our perception.

[@karlomihalusdianovski5275]

Hey can you put name of the products in the video discretion... Links dont work...

[@saxophonicmusician]

Great review Mark. I've been on the hunt for a 10 mm lens specifically, not sure how it would do well in a video setting on a gimbal the lens being manual but it looks like a great photography option.

[@markwiemels]

If you shoot at f4, you can set it up so everything from about 1 meter to infinity is in focus, and it will look really good.

[@DooksHighlights]

Do you think this lens is good for vlogging?

[@hejakma4682]

Since i only use UW only occasionally i wanted to replace my Samyang 12mm with this. Maybe i have a bad copy but this is just not useable at F2 at all imo. My Samy is sharper at F2 than this at F8. This is just to bad to keep it. Just not shure if its worth to try annother copy.

[@markwiemels]

Interesting. Micro 4/3 or APS-C camera?

[@hejakma4682]

@@markwiemelsHello Mark, It's on my X-T4. I just took a bunch of "normal" photos and think my copy is within normal range. It's useable at F2 with a little tweaking. Probably i will keep it.

[@renegossel5139]

sunstars are cool. Better as my samyang 12mm f2. The only what i miss is aperature to camera Connection, to see it in the exif data.

[@deltacx1059]

Where are you getting the 10mm from?

[@tje1233]

why don't they make for ef mount?

[@paulburke643]

Great lens Mark! Do they do a efm version for my m50? Anybody know? Nobody help?

[@finally5458]

Sadly no, they don't produce it for EOS-M mount

[@nomadikmind3979]

im so sick of "50mm is what we see" so thank you for talking about that

[@lidge1994]

I mean, 35mm (crop) and 55mm (full frame) isn't meant to simulate what we see, it's meant to simulate what 1 eye sees, right? We need a much wider fov for full human vision. Also, 35mm is about 60 degrees horizontal FOV, which is our normal FOV, not counting peripheral vision.

[@BakedDrLuny]

The full field of view of human vision is very wide, however you're only able to see color in a much more limited field of view (your brain does the rest in post). The fov that has full color and is in sharp focus is somewhere around the equivalent of a 200mm lens on 35mm. Your eyes scan over an area and your brain creates a wide image full of color, holding the relevant details from repeated passes and even inferring details when necessary. Pick up a 135 or 200 for a walk around and compare with a wide lens like this one.

[@CollinB_EDC]

Looks nice, but I’ll stick to my Laowa 9mm f2.8 👌