This little SBF mustang surprised us all!!

[@Fiveliterdave]

Those 11R heads are no joke. I see guys are making this power consistently. Another guy made 405rwhp through a manual trans stock bottom end 302 with 11R.

[@Keith_Trostad]

Definitely an awesome cylinder head for a 302. Anytime anyone ask for a head recommendation, I tell them the 11r’s is the number one choice

[@thomsoncarter3121]

Are you running the stock h.o. trw forged pistons with the 11r's?

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@thomsoncarter3121 bottom end was completely stock

[@GB-zi6qr]

Hopefully it's not lost on anyone, the trans is going to soak up 15% - 20% of the engines power. That would mean that the little 302 is putting down close to or right at 400HP at the flywheel. That is no easy challenge to meet. Great Job folks!!!

[@hetzlerracing5490]

Could be even more than that depending on how loose and efficient the converter is.

[@docsmallblock6584]

@@hetzlerracing5490 Also rear end soaks up a little power as well!

[@hetzlerracing5490]

@@docsmallblock6584 Yes sir. I worked at a shop for 2 1/2 years that had a chassis dyno. The difference in rwhp from a cheap converter to a good converter was always surprising. That is the one thing I don’t think most people realize. A cheap converter might soak up 28% , where as a good converter, even the same stall, might only soak up 22%.

[@Orygunner67]

Dude gets this look on his face like Pat Topolinski from PowerNation when he hits that throttle on the dyno! 🤠✌️

[@underestimatedgarage]

Sounds crazy! .. the first reaction was crazy ! i think heat had alot to do it was hot that day atleast you know i can make power

[@Keith_Trostad]

That’s my assumption.

[@chadcunningham8431]

I didnt hear a Thank you Chad C for the help putting this small block together in Dustin's kitchen

[@Keith_Trostad]

haha better yell at dustin and joe then

[@cf88gt]

Those are AWESOME numbers for a 302 thru a C4…. My car makes very similar numbers, with ported edelbrocks, .607 lift custom grind cam, ported systemax 2 but I have a 5 speed…. That thing should ride out real good!!!

[@Keith_Trostad]

It runs pretty damn decent at the track. I just posted a video of running this car at the track. Runs right with my 88 fox with a built 351w and a 5 speed in the 1/8th

[@Stang92boy]

TrickFlow definitely got it right with the 11Rs. If it's the 170s with the 53cc combustion chamber then the little bump in compression definitely doesn't hurt.

[@Keith_Trostad]

i totally agree. those 11r's are badass heads. they are the 190cc heads.

[@truckandroll989]

It's awesome to see this video after coming back from dyno with my 302 yesterday. Mine is an 86 stock bottom end, FloTek 180cc heads, single plane, Edelbrock 650cfm, TFS stage 1, through a T5 and Ford 8" rear, all in a 1964 Mercury. Put down ~330whp. I feel like your 11R heads are the key with those 53cc chambers. I wanted them badly but Flo Tek hooked me up with those heads assembled for $600 which was hard to beat. Any details on those cam specs and/or your rear gear ratio? I would have gone with a bigger cam but as it was I had to flycut my pistons due to the stock 86 piston (no valve relief). Glad I found your channel. Do me a favor and take a peek at mine ;)

[@MP-pz9oe]

I would have regaped the plugs to .32 brave little engine

[@jdrods1519]

Awesome numbers!!! 🇺🇸💪🏼 that was with the air filter on also!

[@Keith_Trostad]

We tried a pull without and made no difference in power. But when we tried it was at the end of the day. So everything was so heat soaked it didn’t matter

[@jdrods1519]

@@Keith_Trostad oh gotcha. Those are still awesome numbers!!!💪🏼

[@Keith_Trostad]

Yes they are. Made more than we all thought it would.

[@fpvjt146]

It's running great. I'm lucky to get full data logs with the holley terminator x and laptop most of the time. I hear its an issue. I'm always reconnecting the laptop while driving. I still love the term x though. I pulled 515hp and 575tq with my turbo at 10lbs last month. I've since cleaned up the timing and running great. These cars are so fun. Thanks for sharing and let er rip.

[@Keith_Trostad]

That’s awesome man!!! Yeah I love the Holley systems. Holley has done soooooo well with their ecu’s. Damn that’s some good power and torque for just 10 psi. My other buddy has a on3 kit on his 302 in a fox. Going to dyno that here soon and get it dialed in.

[@christophergriffin8344]

Tge C4 needs a deep pan and a quality cooler with perhaps it's own dedicated e. Fan. To say you holt lapped it was understatment.....good job guys🤘fomoco

[@Keith_Trostad]

yeah we knew going into it that the cooling system for the trans was not up to par at all. but it made awesome power for what that setup was

[@paulalcantara7930]

My setup is similar minus the holley sniper. I think I want that holley sniper in my 74 maverick now. Hope my dyno readings are as good as yours.

[@Keith_Trostad]

Can’t go wrong with the snipers! I’ve installed quite a few and they work everytime. Get a good tune on it and just drive it.

[@rafaelroman5649]

Hell ya man. I see your from Washington state. I'm from tri cities with a notch with a on3 kit. Just having problems trying to set static timing on my term x.

[@Keith_Trostad]

Yes sir. In Wenatchee. So few hours away. What problems are you having. Shoot me a message on Facebook if ya want. Names Keith trostad

[@privatedata665]

Great results . I think my 294 CID would do similarly

[@kuyaearly143]

I would have put the old plugs back in ,there is a lot of fake plugs on the market that look the same but cheaply made or try some more new plugs, heat is always a factor but when the the numbers fell after a plug change I look there first 😎

[@Keith_Trostad]

That’s what we thought after the fact. But ran out of time on the dyno.

[@garry3013]

I agree. Inwouldve put old plugs back in and all others settings back to the 380 pull. After the 2nd 366 pull. To see if we got our numbers back. If not. Then troubleshoot. But if so... then bad or other with that set of plugs.

[@Keith_Trostad]

looking back thats what i should have done. but didnt cross my mind till after we ran out of time. with the ecu dropping connection during the pulls was a distraction.

[@heavydutyroadsidellc920]

I’m sure that motor has more timing in it. You can get away with 30 degrees usually and hopefully you have adjusted your injector end angle

[@Keith_Trostad]

I’d like to bring it back again and make sure we are getting all of it. And with the sniper there is no injector end angle. That’s only for terminator x, hp, and dominator

[@heavydutyroadsidellc920]

@@Keith_Trostad try to get him to switch to terminator x, and mpfi intake. car ran good either way. iea will just give smoohter throttle transition and letting the injector stay on longer during wide open high rpm cooling the intake valve. Dominator is fine but finding a an intake that has balanced intake runners that flow the same as the head and cam combo allows will help it to do the same thing.

[@Keith_Trostad]

I’ll mention it to him but I’m pretty sure he’s just going to stick with the sniper set up.

[@docsmallblock6584]

Wonder where they set the ring gap at when they built it? Or maybe they run in an a N/A class? But a little 150 shot would wake that little deal right up! Actually with just a 150 shot you really don't gotta worry about ring gap, especially if you put it on a progressive!

[@Keith_Trostad]

ring gap is all stock. the short block has never been disassembled. the owner is thinking of putting a small kit on it for next year. see if he can crack into the 10's.

[@scottsvt9104]

Great video! I really want to do a head swap on my 331 just to see if I can crack 400 wheel horsepower.

[@Keith_Trostad]

what heads are you currently running?

[@scottsvt9104]

@@Keith_Trostad I’m currently running Edelbrock Performer heads. Car put down 326 rwhp and 357 lbs torque. A lot less than yours I think but I’m running full accessories with A/C.

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@scottsvt9104 those 11r heads in my opinion are one of the best bolt ons for a 302 based engine. im really impressed with how much this stock bottom end 302 made.

[@scottsvt9104]

@@Keith_Trostad that’s what I’m hoping to get! You almost get coyote 5.0 performance from a stock short block.

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@scottsvt9104 i didnt even think of it that way. we are pretty much getting the same wheel hp as a s550 mustang.

[@GearheadRob319]

Strong running motor!

[@Keith_Trostad]

defiantly not bad for a sbe.

[@GearheadRob319]

@@Keith_Trostad 🤪

[@jimmymccormick142]

I said makes anywhere from 375 to 400 you got to look at the times that car is running

[@Keith_Trostad]

Awesome guess. Well I wasn’t for sure what it was going to make based off the weight of the car. A lot lighter than my fox

[@Tpinard72]

Badass dude

[@shawnlibby675]

So like that is still a stock 302 block untouched piston rods etc... Is it the 80 and is it the 86 factory block that came in at... Because if so it's got flat tops I believe.... And the reason why I'm curious is I always heard putting heads on a stock block 302 untouched was a waste of time... If that's a set of 11R twisted wedge heads put on just the factory engine... Those are the numbers.... That means it will be well worth me doing the same thing on my stock block low mile 302... So that's literally an untouched 302 block rotating assembly untouched... Meaning piston rods crank etc never touched... Just just the twisted wedge heads tuning and other supporting parts mods.... Am I correct.....

[@Keith_Trostad]

its a 93 mustang shortblock. not the forged piston one. its has hyper pistons but still a good short block. and its a completely untouched bottom end. stock pistons, rods, and crank. has heads, cam and a intake. thats it. the 11r's are awesome heads for the 302. work very very well.

[@shawnlibby675]

@@Keith_Trostad thank u for the reply means a lot....and thanks for the info

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@shawnlibby675 no problem. we are all here to learn, even myself. and im more than happy to share with everyone.

[@kendriver9139]

Sounds like it was dyno'd in first gear.

[@Keith_Trostad]

it was dyno'd in third gear. 1:1

[@hetzlerracing5490]

One thing I would have done differently, and take this for the nothing burger it is worth, I would have stuck the original set of plugs back in to see if the power would have returned. Maybe you did and I missed it. But when something is changed and the power drops, and stays there pretty consistently, to me, that says something was wrong with the new parts. Just my opinion

[@Keith_Trostad]

Your not wrong at all. And we never did put the old plugs back in. After we got done I thought about it and said we should have. But time wasn’t on our side. We only had access to the dyno for so long. But also didn’t want to just beat the tar out of the car on the dyno. Definitely still learning. The dyno thing is still pretty new to me. I’ve always just street tuned everything.

[@joeferreira7382]

Before I watch it I'm gonna say 400 , I can understand heat but it seems like that's a lot of horsepower losing Because of heat , But definitely putting some power out that little engine

[@Keith_Trostad]

pretty sure most of it was trans related. the car doesnt have any sort of good cooling. only has it running through the rad. needs a aftermarket cooler.

[@chestrockwell8328]

Did well, you say 7k peak rpm? which lifters are you using?

[@Keith_Trostad]

I believe he was using stock hydro lifters.

[@chestrockwell8328]

@@Keith_Trostad thanks for the quick reply.

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@chestrockwell8328 no problem. and yeah peak was around 7k. it was closer to 6700 but we shifted the engine at 7k

[@christanhartley434]

That’s a lot for a sbf wow

[@hotshothogger]

Awesome power. Pretty sure I heard you say peek power at 6700 rpm? On a stock short block? Like stock? From factory? Or at least rod bolts and a balancer?

[@Keith_Trostad]

Completely stock bottom end. Just has heads, cam and intake. And yeah peak was around 6500-6700.

[@hotshothogger]

@@Keith_Trostad Well then. I like. That's ballzy no doubt about it. I've ran the piss out of a few myself. Doing another right now. TFS 170 twisted wedge with an Anderson N41 Victor Jr with carb. Old school! Makes me feel better knowing guys go even more than 6500! Crazy stuff man.

[@Keith_Trostad]

I know it’s pretty crazy to spin it that high. At the track the shift point is around 6800. It’s seen 7k quite a few times. And it’s been doing this for two years now. It’s been a damn reliable engine. Doesn’t scare me one bit to spin it that high. It loves it 😎

[@302hobronco]

Is this in Wenatchee WA?

[@Keith_Trostad]

Yes it is.

[@Reggiestreet]

Thats 400 rwhp In 40° weather

[@TheThemattyo1]

Good for low 11's or high 10's....about 120mph.

[@Keith_Trostad]

Runs low 11’s off of a foot brake

[@davidcochrane3671]

Most likely that trans got hot Can you tell me the load you had on the dyno in pounds please

[@Keith_Trostad]

the dyno i use doesnt give us a pounds reading. its just a percentage

[@davidcochrane3671]

Ok so what was the load percentage?

[@Keith_Trostad]

I had 10 percent inputted. 10 percent is a lot of my buddy’s dyno. Definitely puts a decent load on the car.

[@robertwood3970]

If you make more torque than HP you have restrictions on the intake side. Your heads, intake or cam are choking off the airflow.

[@Keith_Trostad]

More than liking it’s the camshaft. I doubt the heads and intake are any sort of restriction

[@hkpoweralajmi5170]

How is the owner

[@Keith_Trostad]

he is doing well. he has sold this car unfortunately

[@fidstang]

Only parasitic loss on the front of the engine is the alternator. Fully dressed that engine would be around 320- 330, so 370 is spot on for a 302 with good induction. Is that an OTS nitrous cam or custom?

[@Keith_Trostad]

its a custom grind camshaft

[@blkcoupequattro]

Is that a 100 shot ? Or more?

[@Keith_Trostad]

All motor sir. No nitrous on this car yet.

[@blkcoupequattro]

@@Keith_Trostad Hope you have a good balance on that engine, at least an ATI damper because 150 shot your looking at 525 on the dyno thats pretty impressive what are you revving to 6500 or 6800?

[@Keith_Trostad]

its a true HCI setup. stock bottom end. stock balancer too boot. it defiantly surprised me when the power kept climbing. so i gave it what it wanted. its gone two seasons now running that kind of rpm. the rev limter is set to 7k. im sure the owner will be doing a few upgrades this winter. balancer would defiantly be on the list.

[@johnkirby2774]

is that 1st gear pulls?

[@johnkirby2774]

just realized it was a auto

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@johnkirby2774 third gear. C4 auto

[@jamestolmay1725]

Air cleaner looks small also

[@Keith_Trostad]

We did a dyno pull without it and it made zero difference

[@msk3905]

What are specs of the nitrous cam?

[@Keith_Trostad]

Not exactly sure. Custom grind. Customer doesn’t know where the cam card is.

[@Jeffwho78]

Got a 306 and c6 in my 78 Ford f150 ranger and is making 446hp 395 torque runs pretty good for a tank 😂

[@Keith_Trostad]

Hell ya. That’s good power out of a small engine!!

[@Keith_Trostad]

What’s your combo?

[@Jeffwho78]

@@Keith_Trostad pro max SBF heads b303 cam billet crank high rise Holley intake bras well BDR 534 double pumper and a couple of other things 😉 no nitrous it would probably blow up😳😂

[@boosted_3478]

Niceee like to see the old sbf c4 setups love em ! We have a zephyr (fairmont) we’re running mid 10s on motor sbf c4 setup currently carbureted but we wanna go efi as well check out my vid if you want

[@Keith_Trostad]

Damn that’s moving. Will do man. I’ll check it out.

[@vex_8966]

demon

[@enriquetrevino7815]

U think it’s just because of the new style tfs heads ?

[@enriquetrevino7815]

Also are they 170s or the 190s ?

[@Keith_Trostad]

@@enriquetrevino7815 there 190s. and most likely.

[@gregsmith8032]

Your loosing power with that paper filter and metal lid KN makes a top that lets air in directly being you have a hood scoop your leaving 30 Hp cause of restrictions