This Mando Episode Made us Irrationally Angry...

[@geetslys]

Mistakenly said Yularen was a Rebel (meant Commander Sato)... Please leave your roasts below

[@deathsquad8891]

>"before you get any further, this video contains spoilers for the Mandalorian" >shows Bad Batch spoilers as comment of the week. You had one fucking job Geetsly's.

[@raphaellee9481]

Great video mate

[@mandoleg]

Have a nice roast.

[@saebianmyint8641]

A better person would be Jan Dodonna who was a republic then imperial officer before joining the Rebellion

[@ElRevenio]

Damn, he played the Empire like a fiddle the whole time.

[@CallMeFVLL]

We don't hate the villain because she's written well,we hate her because she's so damn obvious even Ray Charles could see it but somehow a scientist and the whole new republic can't

[@chaosbringer9007]

She just has a face that even baby yoda could hate, ALSO the guy agreeing that "maybe they'll now realize that being a part of the new republic has benefits" line IS SOOOOOO SOOOOO obvious how is no one not suspecting the former imperial >:L

[@paulstephensia1412]

​@@chaosbringer9007 the key traits of an imperial is the scheme

[@aa-kz7hc]

@@chaosbringer9007 and then he gets mad at the guy for saying that sounds imperial lmao.

[@chaosbringer9007]

@@aa-kz7hc suspension of disbelief is at its peak right now, like why does a former imperial have access to sensitive info why are they in positions of power, why does the new republic suddenly have their guard down?

[@OtisCluck]

Once an Imp always an Imp

[@TheWarmachine375]

Chad EU Legends New Republic: *kept their military strength intact and being able to hold their ground against every major threat thrown in their way til the very end* Virgin Disney New Republic: *dismantled 90% of its military and immediately folded after the First Order easily wiped out their capital and several nearby planets in one attack*

[@spencersholden]

True

[@romancapulus5577]

Thanks Now I feel bad for sleeping on the EU

[@adfdasdfadfadsfareae]

What EU did you read?

[@robacdc1977]

@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae The one where the New Republic remained a viable military power until the Yuuzhan Vong destroyed their morale and resolve. The “Rebels” became the government in Legends and then fought the Empire for 20 years instead of 1 after Endor, which never made any sense that a Galaxy spanning Empire could be done in by a bunch of Corvettes and Frigates inside of a year

[@ggt47]

Chad EU Mandos: An racially and species inclusive religion,that allows same sex marriage. The weak virgin Canon Mandos: Deciding leadership over a sword. They're all British,White,blue eyed and blonde hair and human. And straight.

[@danwilliams256]

I feel like the New Republic have seen the horror of the Empire and decided to do the exact opposite of them. But instead they need things like a powerful fleet in order to protect the vulnerable, like Nevarro

[@Gyrokaenzo212]

they tried to undo almost everything the empire did but failed to see the few good things the empire did to maintain order, instead of repurposing the empires military assets they scrapped them, that combined with the imperial remnants uno reversing their hide and raid strategy

[@BasementPepperoni]

@@Gyrokaenzo212 Yea, it's almost like the people who're writing and greenlighting this crap are just using this IP to get virtue signal points on social media at the detriment of the IP itself. KK must have some SERIOUS dirt on the higher ups at Disney, because the amount of money and damage that she's caused that company and their IP's is in the billions. It's weird how back when the world was, you know, NORMAL, pre-2015, anybody who screwed up this bad would still be smoking to this very day due to being fired, smfh.

[@gavinschwartz308]

@@Gyrokaenzo212 I hope a Zinj are Dala like character pops up and decks the NR

[@craigharvey-gurr337]

@@Gyrokaenzo212 True. The New Republic is still forming and is still growing so of course they’re still going to be flawed. And I know it doesn’t excuse or justify its incompetence.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@craigharvey-gurr337 yeah it's just realistic. They didn't seem to plan for a win against the empire so they had to rush one when they got their victory

[@kabob0077]

I hope Manadalore is an actual superpower in Disney Canon... God knows there needs to be at least ONE functional and awesome government in the galaxy.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Mandalorians are more evil than the Sith. Hopefully they never rebuild and die off.

[@WhoNow283]

It's not. They aren't even mentioned in the Sequel trilogy which is what Filoni and Favreau have already said the Mandalorian leads up to.

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 ? Who's more Evil someone who Pretends to be good only to gain power or someone who tells you they're evil to begin with?

[@frogsaup]

​@@A_Black_Sheep94 elaborate.

[@sovietunion6598]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 everyone already knows that they routinely nuked planet’s to glass and used chemical and biological weapons during the mandolorian crusades you are technically correct but are putting it in a way that you know will stir the pot plus the sith are worse than the mandolorians example being the infinite empire and darth Nihilus

[@dylanrivera2244]

Clone wars: makes Order 66 even more tragic Mandalorian: makes destruction of New Republic more justified

[@zachduperron8543]

Bad batch: the rise of the empire and where the clones went

[@k.s.vilrod1964]

Andor and Rebels: show the rise of the rebellion from different points of view.

[@dragonstormx]

That was already an issue with the supplemental materials for TFA because the movie couldn't be bothered to explain what the fuck was the state of the galaxy and why we should care about the film making a deal about disrupting it. Near as I can tell, only the show Resistance has bothered to make the audience care about the New Republic and say that the OT's heroes weren't a waste of time. Thanks for nothing JJ Abrams.

[@danbrown5736]

Resistance was bad as well

[@randomguy1928]

​@@k.s.vilrod1964 Andor did it better to be fair.

[@moreaverage4813]

... Yularan wasn't a Rebel, he was an Imperial Loyalist. While I have no doubt if he survived the Death Star I and learnt of Palp's atrocities he would've sued for peace, but I can never see him defecting

[@davidordaz5251]

No Yularen is dead on the first death star

[@bobross4449]

@@davidordaz5251 if, that the key word if. We all know he died.

[@davidordaz5251]

@@bobross4449 yeah

[@Alex-sv7vt]

Hello! Yes, you're absolutely right. Yularen was an Imperial through and through. That was a brain fart on our end. We meant to talk about Commander Sato.

[@moreaverage4813]

@@davidordaz5251 read my comment again

[@FallenKnightXIII]

Empire: Doomed to destroy itself. Republic: Doomed to letting itself be destroyed

[@TheWarmachine375]

The Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 5: *exists* Geetsly's: "I was something beyond furious."

[@lativ3715]

Next we're gonna find out Geetsly's poses as a Centurion in the Imperial Palace

[@stormtrooper51ru]

​@@lativ3715 and he uses MAGIC PAIN GLOVE

[@Corvus001]

5/10, it was okay.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@Corvus001 9/10 bad add Mando scenes and good development of the characters.

[@Cobra1098]

The problem is that the whole scenario Disney created for the Sequel Trilogy is completely irrational. A nutless New Republic, a non-existent Jedi order, the First Order... all of it exists within 20-30 years of Return of the Jedi because it MUST exist, or else The Force Awakens would have to be something other than a remake of A New Hope. This is the reason I haven't been able to get into any expanded material that's come out in recent years, like The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, etc. Because I knew that, however good these individual shows were, they would eventually hit a brick because we need everything to be wrapped up and nonexistent so The Force Awakens can happen. The Mandalorian showing glimpses of a (at least initially) functioning New Republic, Luke Skywalker being a badass and training Grogu... I knew at some point whatever characters and storylines we had, it would end "just because." The New Republic demilitarized "just because." Luke Skywalker called it quits "just because." The First Order is simultaneously an Imperial Remnant and a limitless empire "just because." I had a feeling that all these rumors of a new timeline weren't true, with the World between Worlds or whatever it's called from Rebels supposedly altering the timeline. God knows I wanted them to be true. This is why I'm done with Disney and this continuity.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Why are you on here then though? It's obvious you refused to watch any of the shows and this is discussing part of the show

[@thealexgundam5006]

@@lightdarksoul2097 He discussing very topic in video about how stupid it is for the set up to the sequels with new republic demilitarized. And he giving an opinion on how he feels about it, to be Frank I find more interest in the bad batch than mando

[@Darkhorse393]

There is always hope that they will retcon the sequels into some sort of bad force dream/ alternate timeliness world between worlds thing and move on to bigger and better.

[@theliato3809]

@@lightdarksoul2097 People want to speak their thoughts about stuff like this.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@Darkhorse393 no there isn't the timeline has even been confirmed going back to Rebels where you can hear Rey and Kilo in several of the time portals. Everyone knows good or bad canon has always been canon. Even the best franchises have to deal with that and adding timelines gets quickly confusing and the ones in charge wouldn't wanna deal with things like DC has to right now

[@chrislaurent1137]

This series showcases what happens when you ( New Republic) leave little problems ( Imperial stragglers) alone for too long. They become big problems ( First Order )

[@gamingwith3033]

heh, ironic...

[@Prefix1998]

First Order isn't canon to the fans

[@gamingwith3033]

@@Prefix1998 rlly? cuz I'm a fan and it's cannon to me...

[@chrislaurent1137]

@@Prefix1998 Unfortunately for them, history will not see it that way. They're the result of the New Republic's incompetence.

[@theliato3809]

The problem is they didnt. The republic tried all those imperials for war crimes. This was established way back during the first year or two of Disney star wars.

[@isaackim7675]

When it comes to naming the New Republic, I would rename it as the Galactic Concordance. Keeping the democracy while having a solid military and space fleet

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Yeah but remember many of the leaders were in fact part of senate so they likely just wanted to go back to how things were but that brought back the flaws and now they were half the size so the flaws are worse

[@theliato3809]

@@lightdarksoul2097 the problem is those senators saw the flaws and would want to fix them.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@theliato3809 Did they though? They try to be the opposite to the Empire in every way. Not forcing anyone to join them, using pretty words and barely any darn force, and likely just as ever the Senate takes too long to actually do anything and hearing everyone out which is proper would make things go on even longer. Now they don't even have the Jedi as a force to fall back on

[@theliato3809]

@@lightdarksoul2097 if the franchise were being run properly yes they would.

[@thegreenjackal]

@@theliato3809 Not always. Real life shows people are fine with getting back to the norm with its warts and all. There’s also some flaws that will always be there due to the nature of the beast. The New Republic has people trying to fix things but people don’t want another war and they just want to return to pre Palpatine republic. It’s dumb but people are also very capable of being dumb

[@yes.elevens3688]

The New Republic just has me thinking, why why why WHY??!??!? Also if the new republic seriously will think that the Mandolorians on Nevarro are the ones that helped Gideon escape I will lose brain cells.

[@Ptaaruonn]

I know they are preparing the sequel and what not, but the way the New Republic acts is just stupid, it makes so mad, lolol. Just to be clear, i didn't like the sequels at all.

[@spencersholden]

My credits are on the Protectors of Concord Dawn.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

That's just what governments do 🤷🏻‍♂️ *all* of them.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

​@@Ptaaruonn They're setting up for the first order, they're not retconing the sequels.

[@Ptaaruonn]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 I know, and it's so sad :(

[@seriousnesstv7902]

This is all Disney’s fault. If they hadn’t made the first order be the new threat, these shows wouldn’t have to build to that by making the new republic seem so negligent.

[@adrianreevers891]

It doesn’t SEEM negligent, it IS negligent. The Empire fell and left a huge power vacuum that is being filled by warlords and crime bosses. There’s too many fights on too many fronts and not enough people to do everything, so what do you do? You prioritize. And any time you have to do that, there are going to be people who seek to influence that priority. As much as we hate what the Republic has become, it’s realistic.

[@Vicenteprz]

True , it didn’t gave space for the image of the new republic we had for years (the new republic wasn’t really shown in the sequels bc it was destroyed early in the movie)

[@SuperGamefreak18]

The first order should have been the big threat for the new republic something that was built up to make us give a damn for their new republic which they didn’t so yeah

[@OvSpP]

I mean true, but even without it they still would’ve needed some large looming threat to build up to. It’s Star *Wars* for a reason.

[@neofulcrum5013]

@@OvSpPyes. Legends seemed to enjoy dogpiling threats on the new republic a lot.

[@EmpirealDemocracy]

And therein lies the trap of letting your guard down because you don't want to be seen as "just as bad" as the people you replaced, even as those people are undermining you and bidding their time.

[@AdultThirdCultureKid1971]

100%!

[@Emperor_Palpatine_66]

The X-Wing pilot did have a pretty sweet Rancor patch tho

[@DarkKing009]

'To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best' - Kreia

[@sonofzingo7]

It's actually really interesting to see the difference between how pirates were dealt with in the New Republic and the High Republic

[@spencersholden]

If Hera knew, the Ghost would have been there to help. I have no doubt about that.

[@badgamemaster]

Guess she is busy being a mother... she was close to dying during the Battle of Jakku I think... or maybe it is her job is a general keeping her busy... or both.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Likely like Zeb she is part of the republic doing their best but may leave that when called upon by Ashoka

[@lukedalton]

@@badgamemaster or she is occupied in another crisis on the other side of the galaxy, from the scene on Coruscant seem that the NR is overwhelmed by request of help

[@jayo1212]

Maybe she did know, and maybe that was why she sent Zeb...

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Most rebels wpuld. Just not the bureacrats

[@rickjames5998]

G68 didnt even do anything illegal this ep. She just said Navvaro isnt a chartet state. The New Republic wasnt gonna help anyway.

[@deermasscannon7285]

okay but can we talk about how we see a live action Zeb? like, he looks so good too I never thought we would get something like this but here we are.

[@gbodyman73]

You answered you own question. When you said that “many different factions came together”. We’re literally seeing that, YES, they came together to fight a common foe. But once that foe was gone, all those differing opinions didn’t know how to Govern.

[@jesusmora9379]

this just makes Andor better. When the rebellion was being set up, Saw Guerrera complained about who he had to be working with, separatists, human purists, criminals. He knew that just forming a fighting force would not be enough, because of what would happen *after* the empire was defeated. and we are seeing this now in the mandalorian.

[@northernseeker1822]

But in the end he got wipe out by the empire.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

Exactly. So many times the government that rises up after a dictatorship are either just dictatorships under new management and probably different labels, or are, like this New Republic, weak. Look at US history, we started with the Articles of Confederation which almost lead to an immediate collapse before the constitutional convention drafted the constitution as a functional system

[@robbie1482]

I love how you give a warning of spoilers for the episode and and then immediately show a picture of Zeb

[@NoTimeAllTime]

A big part of the problem I think was that in the NU lore the Emperor was assassinated when his stupid space terror moon blew up and then operation cinder basically gave the rebels the galaxy after one more pitched battle or so. In the Old EU the new republic had to forge itself for years after Endor to retake the galaxy, which helped create a strong identity. The NU new republic only has the legacy of of the pre-clone wars late old republic (which was actually pretty crappy) and the Empire.

[@badgamemaster]

I miss the New Republic from legends. Also am I remembering wrong or didn't Mon Mothma play a key role in the Military Disarmament Act of the New Republic in the Disney canon?

[@kaylahills3760]

Same here. And yes she disarmed the military in Disney Canon

[@gimzod76]

@@kaylahills3760 Before the rebellion was even over

[@lightdarksoul2097]

​@@gimzod76ehh the remaining Empire was told to tear down their armies too just some of them aren't listening and others are hiding as Pirates to get by the law, and it's the outer rim so the NR sees it as not their problem

[@darktemplardelta268]

​@@lightdarksoul2097 just like the good Old Republic ignoring the outer rim because it wasn't their problem.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@darktemplardelta268 sadly yes even though many of the Rebellions best came from outer worlds

[@lucadominguez4659]

It's ironic, the Galactic Republic fell because it didn't have a fleet and an army when the Separatists appeared and the New Republic fell because it didn't have a fleet and an army when the First Order appeared. When you don't learn from the past...

[@tk-5268]

At least it kind of explains why the new republic SUCKED in the sequels

[@paulstephensia1412]

Long Live the Empire.

[@ContainsNoJuice.]

Exactly, like it or not, it’s consistent with the canon lore that we know. There were stormtroopers flying in TIE Fighters and Star Destroyers. They have to explain why a New Republic which still has veterans from the Galactic Civil War would turn a blind eye to that. It’s still stupid and leaves a bad taste in my mouth though.

[@lukedalton]

@@ContainsNoJuice. more than stupid is trying to do the most with few resources, the end of the war had probably openened a big numbers of crisis that were suppressed by force by the empire, not considering the humanitarian crisis, the pirate and imperial warlord in the non NR zone like Navarro and the effort to rebuild a post empire galaxy. It's sad but it's pretty much very very realistic that many thing will fly below his radar if the bad guy is smart enough to not fight her directely

[@VerdantJedi]

​@@paulstephensia1412Fuck the Sequels, how bout that?

[@zacglover3345]

And how a few imperial remnants formed the first order

[@succzucc7808]

I hope this weakness in the New Republic is also a setup for Grand Admiral Thrawn to "almost" solo the New Republic. Damn, I hope he is menacing as heck when he finally debuts

[@qthedisaster1730]

Doesn't that make it even worse if they never remilitarized after almost getting curb stomped by the New Republic if this a set up for that?

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@qthedisaster1730 I hope it is, because that would be quite cool.

[@Slayer398]

How would he *almost* solo the NR? It would be a pretty much cake walk wouldn't it?

[@qthedisaster1730]

@@Slayer398 It would be a cake walk but the new republic will likely have plot armor

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@Slayer398 with such a small fleet even with no resistance he wouldn’t be able to do much unless he captured a strategic planet.

[@darkaxel1991]

I really wish Disney would declare the sequel trilogy to be "Legends" material. It's shadow just looms so large over everything happening in the Mandalorian's era. Anyways...It may be that both the Imperial and New Republic fleets are being dismantled because the NR simply can't afford to keep huge fleets operational and fully staffed. We already know that the New Republic is leaning heavily on droids to make up for labor shortfalls on prisoner transports. Even the scrapword that Miggs Mayfield was sentenced to was staffed by droids. As far as the state of the NR in the aftermath of the Galactic Civil War, it's not surprising that it is bureaucratic and incompetent. Think of the Articles of Confederation adopted after the American Revolution. If the US had tried to continue with the Articles instead of adopting the Constitution, I doubt the US would exist right now.

[@jayo1212]

Yeah, more likely George Lucas is going to declare the sequel trilogy to be exactly what he envisioned his sequels to be...

[@ZontarDow]

If the sequels had no regard for the universe they where a sequel to or even each other, why should the earlier tv shows bother to connect the two?

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

actually a solid argument.

[@beltza_cat]

Because other storys, like Aftermath, exists and shows how incompetent the New Republic and their leaders, like Mon Mothma, were

[@xrstevenson]

@Jorge Eduardo doesn't answer the question. Why bother? Nobody likes the Sequels. Instead of disregarding them entirely they're just gonna work on explaining them more just like they did with the Clone Wars. To the movie goers that watch star wars on stream now, this is make the Sequels more tolerable. So they're playing the long con

[@thegreenjackal]

It’s already too disjointed as is. Granted, feel they could’ve given it a few more years

[@ZontarDow]

@@beltza_cat Aftermath was a terrible book no one outside of a small part of the Star Wars fandom even knows about, whose major plot points most people think where made for Battlefront 4's story and whose terrible quality both in writing and as a story despite trying to be the Heir to the Empire of Disney Star Wars should have made clear the disaster Disney was making.

[@michielkudova3887]

Another thing to keep in mind. Neither the clone wars, nor the empire, did anything to alleviate the massive, economic and political disparity between the core and the rim. (In canon that is) and because the imperials couldn’t be seen in the court. They could very easily gather sympathy in the outer rim, or even the mid rim.

[@indigostudios7851]

Think of the galaxy as a fragile object. Think of the galactic government as the hand holding that object. The key to a steady government is to hold the fragile object firm in the hand but never too tightly. The old Republic and Empire made the mistake of tightening the hand too much until the galaxy shattered in their grip, the shards of systems puncturing and cutting them until they slowly bled out. The New Republic, not wanting to follow the example of its predecessor, gathered the fallen pieces and slowly began to put them back together. However, they kept their grip loose and allowed the shards to fall freely from their hand, again being left with nothing.

[@Jwsponky]

...That is oddly poetic for describing one of the great 'dumb action' franchises.

[@BlackXanthas]

Its almost like its a commentary on how we as a modern society have ended up where we are, after WWII, we believed the propaganda, and as kids growing up in the 80s and 90s we had the goodies vs baddies over and over again and how much we were lied to, and how many EVIL people got let through, and combined with incompetence, hate got a perfect hidden underground to fester like a cancer

[@paulcontos5965]

I can't say I'm sad when Starkiller base blows up the New Republic.

[@Cool-my8uy]

​@GreenCat who cares

[@Mediados]

I mean that was always very clear. The Rebel Alliance's goal was "Destroy the Empire" but nobody ever thought about what would happen after that. The Rebel factions were only loosely connected by their hatred. Anarchy is as bad as tyranny, they swapped one terrible situation for another.

[@DenLim123]

I mean do we even need a reason to know why the New Republic sucks? Because the sequels itself were riddled with poor writing and this is just a byproduct of that

[@VerdantJedi]

Indeed!

[@BartJBols]

Every time you overthrow a state, you end up with a dysfunctional state. Then the rebuilding begins. What we see is a state just having been overthrown, and in the phase of rebuilding.

[@bolshevikY2K]

Salt-inducing as it is, it's also true to life. Revolutions have often been fractured once the previous government is overthrown because of elements left over from that government -- be they people, structures, protocols, etc. The USSR fits the bill here, as do several countries in Latin America, as well as the United States, Iran, China, Cuba, France (several times), the list goes on.

[@anakin-is-panakin]

I mean the fact they’re limp noodles is why the First Order was able to take back power.

[@OvSpP]

Or it’s just the Old Republic… but because we liked the Jedi and the Clones so much we just chose to see it through rose colored glasses.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

The old republic was just as bad but Jedi still did things that went against the republics choices so any victory could still be counted as republic victory but defeat wouldn't be on their hands it was still an awful system.

[@mattwalker5689]

Yep, but prequel era the republic had the luxury of using the Jedi to put out fires. The new republic doesn’t have that.

[@awesomechrisdude123]

Honestly, the New Republic failing isn’t nearly as disappointing as Luke continuing with the Jedi order as it was before Order 66, considering he should’ve had Ahsoka and the force ghost of Anakin to consult him in making sure he knew that the old Jedi Order had massive problems when it came to attachments. That’s really what ruined the entire OG gang, as canon Luke’s failures led to Kylo’s turn as well, and the separation of Han and Leia.

[@t_hetty1758]

To be fair I feel the portrayal for the new republic is so that u understand y it gets merked by the first order so easy. If they set it up better in the sequels I bet it would’ve been a lot different in this show.

[@lilnoomer596]

I mean tbf it is Cathleen Kennedy doing the story for the Mandalorian now not JF. I would put my wager on good ol' incompetent story telling.

[@chefkochkawasaki4127]

@@lilnoomer596 source?

[@vaporwavedreamman]

@@lilnoomer596 cope

[@xrstevenson]

@vaporwavedreamman uh just look it up dude you got Google. JF is focusing on the Ahsoka show since he has the same control as he did in Mando season 1 and 2. They never should have given us that Chapter 16 Finale, when the fans were so happy that all the Disneyfilm-execs realized Star Wars fans DO still love Star Wars and they went all in on these shows to explain the Sequels (and to make money since Grogu was never supposed to come back in the show.)

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@lilnoomer596 Bro idk where your getting that from, these episodes are pre-filmed and then released on a weekly basis. Kathleen Kennedy has had no say in the mandalorian, and besides the episode never felt like Kathleen’s work.

[@theULTIMATElife50]

In "Star Wars Bloodline" Leia is forced out of her position through political means, it would be safe to say that like Leia many of the Rebellion leaders would have been forced out of their positions by more moderate factions that joined later and Imperial remnants that surrendered and integrated.

[@TedSchoenling]

Did you not watch Rebels? When Ezra wanted to free his world, Lothal, which had an imminate threat against the alliance in the TIE defender factory, Mon Mothma shrugged it off saying that there were hundreds or even thousands of worlds under the Empire... and sent no aid... so no, this new republic is just what happens when you strip away your Luthens, Andors, Solos and Organas who do what is right and stick with the practical minded Mon Mothma

[@lukedalton]

honestly it's also thanks to the pratical minded like Mon Mothma that the Rebels had won, limited resources against overwhelming firepower mean that you need to prioritize your fight sure it's not glamorus but his necessary if you want a change of victory and better remember that to free Lothal Kanan died and Ezra snatched victory from the jaw of defeat sacrificing himself and even all that will have been useless if a week later the Death Star not exploded making Lothal a very low priority for the Empire...and btw Luthens will have totally agree with Mon Mothma

[@soundwavegamer2321]

The New Republic is basically France from 1799 to 1871. In that span of 72 years they went from a Kingdom, to a Republic, to a Roman style republic, to an Emperor, to a Kingdom,to a Republic, to an Empire, to a provisional government, then finally to a Third French Republic. There was also a Communist revolution in Paris that last three months so the New Republic being incompetent makes sense in the grand scheme of things.

[@flareonguy7922]

I really don't like what they're doing with the New Republic, we see Mon Mothma and Bail Organa plotting to restore democracy to the galaxy at the end of Episode 3. You can assume that Organa raised Princess Leia as, you know, a princess and taught her important stuff about governing. Then Disney decides "Nope, New Republic is shitty. Falling apart like 5 years after the end of ROTJ." Its like this Rebellion that's been in the making for 25 years had no plan at all for replacing the Empire and our classic characters look stupid for the sake of justifying the sequels.

[@ThePresidentofMars]

I have difficulty believing that a rehabilitated imperial would be allowed to work in administration, the nexus of the government.

[@Yurixyz]

The problem is that everything is much easier when everyone has the same goal, during the civil war everything was quite clear you had to defeat the empire, but after the enemy was defeated all the factions in the alliance probably wanted their part, not to mention that from the beginning Mon Mothma in his ideas wanted to recreate what had been lost but after 20 years of empire and civil war it was an almost impossible undertaking, beautiful ideas are such until they clash with reality.

[@whyamicommenting3823]

People forget the Rebels' full name was "Alliance to Restore the Republic", not "Alliance to Restore and Improve the Republic." We're just witnessing the inefficiencies and lack of support that lead the Confederacy to want to leave.

[@apex1757]

I'm glad that the New Republic is shown to have flaws instead of "dey da good guys, so dey do everything perfect!"

[@nickolaiproblem]

I don't need them to be perfect I need them to make sense that's the difference. They don't make sense there decisions are so insane so detrimental to their own sovereignty that they are borderline suicidal.

[@freekill1018]

Yeah but I would at least like them to show some kind of competence or something I mean come on it's not like we just got through two massive civil wars 😂

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@freekill1018 throughout history, after most revolutions the new government is usually completely ineffective for a while The U.S almost collapsed into civil war before *Alexander Hamilton* did his thing The French killed thousands and rotated governments at record pace until finally settling on napoleon for 15 years. The Russians had a massive civil war with the ‘whites’ and had massive famines and other terrible things happen. Revolting is the easy part

[@bernieeod57]

The New Republic was every bit as corrupt, dysfunctional, and inept as the Old Republic. Leia defied orders to disarm, broke off, and turned the rebels into "The Resistance "

[@patrickiamonfire965]

One live action show that the empire is terrible and inefficient while getting little done while trying to look strong and another one shows how the new republic is inefficient and gets little done.

[@FreeThePorgs]

The new republic wanted to go "pro-peace" and the polar opposite of the empire. However they went to far on it not keeping enough military around. They also allowed former imperials in to Easley.

[@randomcenturion7264]

The Empire: Miss us yet? The People: Only slightly.

[@jaredbaxter7584]

When the First Order blew up the New Republic in the Force Awakens, I was actually glad. And that was years before Mandalorian came out. Judging by the poor conditions of the resistance and the practically unchecked movement of the first order in the movie, I had guessed the new republic was like this. So seeing this episode justified my smug contentment with their destruction.

[@TheCronq]

Question- why is bo-katan the key to uniting mandalore? Din has the Darksaber, and he is the rightful king of all mandalorians, he could show up to any coven, whip it out, and they would be honor bound to follow him.

[@dustinjones7458]

Bo-Katan has three uniting links. -Shes a proven warrior with ties to Death watch/militant wing of the Mandos -Shes got royal blood and so has ties to the liberal/royalists/civilians (this faction her sister led) -Now the Old Guard/Conservative/Religious wing under the armorer has cast their support as well. All she has to do is kill Djin for the Dark saber! Wait...

[@TheBearInTheChair]

Some would say bad writing, and I would agree. But the Armourer is playing chess from the bishop's seat, and who has the furthest and widest reach, the Queen. Sending out the King with his Dark Saber would invite more challenge than it would promote unity from the ranks.

[@TheBearInTheChair]

​@@dustinjones7458 X D Let's hope not on that last part

[@Mouse_Metal]

Because she saw the mythosaur and the armorer is megareligious, so she sees it as a sign Bo is the one who is supposed to unite the clans. If random unnamed Mandalorian saw the mythosaur she would believe (s)he is the one. Bo now has no other choice than to try to win her ex-goons on her side again. And without the darksaber. I expect Din will go with her because he has the darksaber, so it could help to convince the darksaber cult to join the helmet cult.

[@AuroraAustralis_]

Legends New Republic: Our military is strong, modern and battle hardened. We just crushed our third Imperial warlord this week and we will liberate the entire galaxy, by force if necessary. To these ends, we pledge our honor, our property and our lives. For the Republic! Canon New Republic: Nooooooo we need to demilitarize to keep the peace! There will be no more fighting now. Imperial warlords? Lets worry about system membership instead!

[@simon2493]

That kind of makes sense tbh, it's much harder to rule galaxy than to just abolish ruling class look at any revolution in our world it never ends with just one revolution. Empire made galaxy depends on centralised government to protect systems form piracy.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Many revolutions have failed for that reason they win sure but in a few years the fighting begins again since there was no real plan after the fight was done

[@lukedalton]

not only that, Palpy had actively destroyed the burocracy and other part of the goverment to make him absolutely vital to keep the Empire together, basically the NR need to build from scratch a new state

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@lukedalton and unfortunately for the NR many people part of the Rebellions were generals and fighters but not like governors so they would be unused to the boring and annoying side of red tape and stuff. Good people don't always make for the best officers in government power positions look at Palpatine. Brilliant but evil

[@Guyvwer0jaeger]

People tend to forget that the same people who were politicians during the Empire were the same in the New Republic. Key figures of the Rebellion didn’t take power as to not look like it was just like the empire they just over thrown. So the same inept government that fell towards being an empire also fails when they become a new republic. Remember the same people that ran the republic ran the empire and the new republic. Most of the rebels either folded into the military with only those who had political power before the war returning to their original stations.Most gave up their military power to reassure the people that they had the power and it wasn’t just another regime change.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Which Republic Is Better: The Old Republic or New Republic

[@Virtual_Jester]

That is the most factual statement I’ve seen all day.

[@spikeshepard1897]

The thing that worries and makes me Angry, is how the mandalorian, while unwillingly has to squeeze and twist any potential story after ep 6 just so ep 7 makes some sense

[@Jacob.Hughett]

I wanted the Mandalorians to take over that pirates ship and use it to build a fleet for a Mandalorian military.

[@michaelramon2411]

In the NR's defense in this instance, a known mercenary leader who currently rules (it's not clear if Navarro has had a proper election or not, and the NR might be suspicious of any claim from Karga that any one they did have was fair) a planet that is outside of the New Republic, does not pay Republic taxes, follow Republic law or contribute to its military comes to the Republic and asks that, with about a day's notice, the Republic come and bomb some people who are threatening his rule. He insists that they are bad guys and pirates who attacked unprovoked, but wouldn't anyone wanting outside military intervention say that about their enemies? As far as the Republic knows, this is an ordinary power struggle between equally nefarious Outer Rim warlords. Now, WE know that the situation is what Karga says it is, and Captain Teva is fairly well-read about the situation, but it does seem like someone higher than a colonel needs more than 5 minutes of studying the issue before they go send off brave Republic pilots to get killed and expensive taxpayer-funded fighters to get shot down defending a governor who is, at absolute best, a freeloader. While the spy's "maybe they'll think about signing the charter now" line is labeled "Imperial thinking", it's not strictly wrong (if no one pays Republic taxes until they are personally threatened, the Republic won't have the budget for any military, even their downsized one), and one could argue that the Republic sending military forces to kill people outside its borders who aren't threatening its citizens is also "Imperial thinking." Governing is HARD.

[@SpaghettiO_prime]

You know I feel like the remnants of the empire are doing the same thing that the rebellion did start as cells and form together to make it a army and then grow your numbers and it takes over

[@supremefankai5480]

The pendulum swung, from one extreme to the other, a brutal dictatorship to a simpering beuracracy because the alliance wanted to distance themselves from the Empire as fast as possible. This is just how it goes and the best thing about the sequel trilogy is how it wipes the slate clean when it came to galactic politics, no jedi, no sith, no republic, no empire, and now the galaxy can come together in a more nature way.

[@brickcraftproductions3065]

Seeing the New Republic in Canon is not only a source of upsetting intrigue but also inspiration, as this fleshes out why are they reduced to meat shields in Episode 7, They have a New Capital Ship with a powerful tractor beam, a couple dozen bases in the Mid Rim yet we don't see them be places of Resistance against the First Order, (probably because they didn't exist) as Someone who Watched Resistance Season 2 one of their Senators from Hosnian Prime is still Alive and mentions that the Galaxy is at War, yet the only glimpses of that War we see are the Invasion of Mon cala (Alligence Comics), the Raid on Corellia (Galaxys Edge Smugglers run), the Liberation of Batuu (Rise of the Resistance) and Black Squadron trying to lift a seige on a Allied World (Poe Dameron Comics) and the only way we'll see a Starhawk fight a Resurgent is when we decide created it with our own imaginations, something a Few of us Fans who are still passionate are capable of doing

[@johnboon4212]

1) The Rebel Alliance was the alliance to restore the republic. The days of the Republic, the corruption within the republic was so bad that Count Dooku was disillusioned and left the order. The new republic is pretty much the same like the old republic. Their principles were the same. Corruption was not something new. Governance wasn't really their thing, fighting was..which is why they fare so well in fighting but horrible in governance. The writers did a great job here highlighting that a revolution that overthrew the government may be great fighters but may not be good with governance. 2) The Rebel Alliance mainly fought in the outer rim sections away from the core world. The core world under the Empire were actually not favoring the rebellion therefore when the new republic takes over, new officers in the New Republic would have easily made up of former imperials. In the case of G68, the system allowed her to be doing as she pleased after all the Admin could very much be an someone from an Imperial core world. For all we know and the core world has never really cared for the outer rim that much. The sentiment of how the core world treated the outer rim worlds are what led to the Clone wars where the CIS worlds just want to leave the republic. The clone war never really came to the core worlds except perhaps Corusant? Even most rebel activities were in the outer rim so caring for places like Nevaro wasn't on the priority list. 3) The setup for the New Republic is actually very well done in the Mandalorian as it will soon tie in to how the Resistance would form later after Leia was kicked out of the Senate for being Vader's daughter. The system of the New Republic was so bad that it weaken them to a point when the first order strike, only the Resistance stood a chance. Even so in Battlefront 2, Leia instructed Dee to go to the outer rim for help. It wasn't because the New Republic was completely destroyed, it was because they were either too weak or not willing to help. Probably even waiting to welcome the First Order as the new Empire to bring order. 4) The core world never really see the need for a strong military as it feels like unnecessary expenses. The Clone war was an example of how the Core world was upset about the military expenses so decommissioning the navy was something the core world would vote for but not the outer rim worlds. The compromises needed to make the new republic work will have to include both the core worlds and the outer rim (places where the Rebels and former CIS worlds were active). Also why in Episode 9, the ones who came to Exergol were from the outer rim as they were probably the ones who had some form of belief in keeping some military force around. Overall a very good setup for the sequel trilogy.

[@slackershrub8923]

It's all just so they can integrate those fucking sequels into canon. Disney is determined to make everything they fought for in the original trilogy mean nothing.

[@WhoNow283]

Yep. People need to realize this. Mandalorian exists solely to justify the sequels. If you support this show you're supporting the sequels and the company that ruined Han Solo and Luke Skywalker.

[@slackershrub8923]

@@WhoNow283 I think the first two seasons worked just fine unless I missed something. Now in season 3 they're setting up the new republic's pathetic downfall to the first order.

[@WhoNow283]

@@slackershrub8923 Not really. They're clearly setting Grogu up to be some missing piece to solving the "Somehow Palpatine returned" plothole from Rise of Skywalker. Maybe this wasn't the original plan given how Grogu was clearly supposed to be written out after season 2 but now it most definitely is the plan since they retconned their own show in another show and made the ending of season 2 meaningless by bringing back the cute space puppy to serve as a McGuffin to solve Jar Jar Abrams Palpatine plothole.

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Its like they're trying to set up why the First Order was so comically inept, but had that level of resources under their control. Just make the New Republic a dogshit carnival ride that everyone hates and that is secretly evil. Anything that's been going on that hasn't had to do with Din and Bo-Katan, Grogu, or Karga, everything else is unreasonably infuriating. Its like Rian Johnson's trilogy reached out from its grave and cursed Mando S3.

[@amundjaatun7474]

I love this addition. It feels like the only way the first order could ever rise. A complacent and warwaery republic afraid to spark another major conflict. Just like Neville Chamberlain during the ww2 buildup

[@jeremypintsize7606]

The blindness of Neville Chamberlain is absolute even for the Frenchs political class. The Munich Agreement had ben seen by Chamberlain as "peace for our time" and by Daladier his french counterpart as "traquenard" ... and "c'est un traquenard" in french could be translated as "It's a trap"... Alfter Munich Agreement Daladier feared public hostility on his return to Paris, he was acclaimed by the crowd, which cheered the fact that there would not be another war. Most famously, when he saw the enthusiastic crowds waving at his plane as it landed at Le Bourget Airfield before landing, he turned to his aide Alexis Léger (A.K.A Saint John Perse) and commented: "Ah! les cons! s'ils savaient..." ("Ah! The fools! If only they knew..."). But the lack of 20 miles anti-tank ditch ( the channel ) between France and Germany , lack of initiative , defeatism and general incompetence of french hi-command during 1939-1940 had put the final nail in the possibility of short WW2...

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

I mean this is the biggest problem DisCan has. They have to tie into the dumpster fire of the Sequels. The New Republic has to be unrealistically incompetent and disarm in the face of constant military and pirate threats. No matter what they do with Thrawn and the rest of the upcoming shows we all know where it's going. Right into a train wreck that doesn't matter.

[@thewanderingronin5433]

By trying not to be the empire nor the republic that preceeded it they've become an ineffective mess of bureaucracy. Like anakin said " well, if it works..."

[@ianbelletti6241]

They brought us an evil Swamp Thing that resembles Davy Jones.

[@wither5673]

it just goes to show that winning the war really is just half the battle, now the ''new republic'' needs to figure out how to...well exist, picking up the pieces left behind be the empire and figuring out how to appease both the common man and all of those affluent nobles that probably did not even realize there was a regime change because of how detached from reality they are, living lives of luxury. its interesting stuff, and i loved seeing the X-wing commander dude just saying ''alright fuck this'' and went to solve the problem himself.

[@matheuss886]

When you watch the scene where Luthen Rael fervently gives his speech about sacrifice and making his methods the same as his enemy to win a hell-bent war or Saw Gerrera's methods on cracking down the Empire, and then one of the New Republic's scenes on The Mandalorian back to back, it feels very surreal that the latter strained from the former. The Rebels were truly serious about achieving their goals and commiting to their principles, but the canon NR... just weak and pathetic.

[@marshalllatta2073]

Mandalorian series is just getting better and better this is the way.

[@isaackim7675]

This is the Way

[@thekernel13a]

This is the way.

[@CylixTheGamer]

This is the Way

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Funny how the viewership halved 🙄

[@lupikekeampu6757]

This is the Way

[@grandmyotismon]

The sad reality is that the likelihood of this happing in a real life scenario is pretty much inevitable. Converting from the Framework of the empire to a better version of the Republic is absurdly hard if not impossible. Palpatine carefully after over a thousand of other sith working towards masterfully creating the empire was only able to make the empire last for a short period of time and even then at that point much of the universe was endocternated to that thinking.

[@aaronsanborn4291]

Unfortunately as in this episode far too many buffoons end up in positions of authority and the Colonel is a PERFECT example

[@VenomCinematic]

The pirate captain looks like a Halo Brute with seaweed

[@goldeagle6431]

The Jedi made the Senate angry with a heap of reasons.

[@Zeknif1]

I think that the leadership of the Amnesty program’s enforcement wing has already had their mind’s wiped and reprogrammed to remain enthusiastically pro-New Republic yet incompetent to serve as a front for an Imperial program to filter through dissident or captured imperials, arranging for deep cover assignments in various New Republic organizations or extraction of those judged to be Imperial Loyalists, left ignored if they are inconsequential, or tagged for various methods of elimination if they are judged to be a liability for the Empire. It’s worth noting that the Amnesty Program’s director admitted to having been subjected to the Mind Flayer device himself… it’s entirely possible that in a procedure in the device before the one he can remember, an Imperial agent dialed up the intensity to turn the Mon Calamari into an empty template for the Empire to mold into something that serves the Empire’s purpose… in this case, as a naive and gullible optimist with little common sense.

[@toptiergaming6900]

Atleast the empire can occasionally get something done

[@rufinator]

I think the lesson here is similar to what we saw in Andor… the root of government evil is bureaucrats who just don’t give a shit.

[@rodgill9376]

Imagine becoming the very thing that you've fought so hard to defeat

[@aceykerr8752]

I think what most people miss about the New Republic is that it was formed from the remnants of the Republic that the Empire didn't fully dismantle. The New Republic is not a continuation of the Rebellion.

[@indianajones4321]

I definitely prefer the EU New Republic having powerful fleets, but getting torn down from warlords, many wars, and from within by Jacen Solo

[@rippera45]

Anyone angry at the canon New Republic has forgotten that the Legends NR was equally a joke. Sure, they STARTED with a stronger military and fought the Empire for a long time, but they still left the Imperial Remnant behind. And demilitarilzed quite a bit. During the Yuzhan Vong war, they literally ignored the threat, right until Coruscant was already falling. The canon NR is just doing the same thing earlier in its timeline.

[@danwilliams256]

Since when was Yularen a Rebel?

[@chriswbaty]

I think the reason the New Republic is so weak can be summed up with a quote from The Dark Knight, when Joker said “im like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it”. The rebels knew they wanted the Empire gone, but there were a lot of things that they didn’t take into account, or were ill prepared for. It took Palpatine 20 years to sweep the last remnants of the Republic away, finishing when he dissolved the Senate. Probably going to take the Rebels a long time to build it all back up again. Plus they probably didn’t know who to trust so they just started putting random people in different positions. Positions they weren’t qualified for. I feel like in the end, this is the largest reason for the rise of the First Order.

[@lerneanlion]

To the systems that are not part of the Third Republic, I guess they have the rights to refuse to help. But if they are motivated by some offers or monetary gains, then gaining help from the Republic will not be completely out of question. Also, can anyone tell me why autocracy is bad? So far, democracy is failing here because it welcomes debates. What we needed is a strong leader who does not welcome debates and is decisive about all the problems. Someone who is NOT Palpatine, of course.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

Why autocracy is bad? Besides historic examples, here is the thing: There is no benevolent-enlightened dictator. Power always corrupts. Democracy is supposed to be all about debate, discussion, checks and balances, and compromises. Equality, sentient rights, all that jazz. Debate is not the issue. It's when you have gridlocks, corruption, badly built systems that allow gridlocks to stonewall/delay/not let anything happen, as well as inefficient policies with no real policies on how to deal with their shortcomings. One is able to criticize their rulers (free speech), who work under an agreement: They get given power in exchange for them working to make the lives of people better, them keeping their promises, as well as improving things. If one is not happy with their rulers, one can simply vote for someone else instead to be a ruler. If one feels like it, they too can just work to be elected. Democracy is not in my opinion a good system by any means, but it's the best of the worst options. It always needs it's crises to keep evolving, though, for it can't stand still less it rots away.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

The failings of the New Republic is not down to too much democracy, but too little. Do the people really have power here? I doubt so. Did they get rid of the Imperial bureaucratic oppression machine? No, they kept it, but gave it a new coat of paint. Corruption is still rampant, and the New Republic failed to learn from the past in order to ensure it does not repeat again. Instead of learning, they just rebooted the pre-empire Republic with all of its problems and shortcomings clearly there. It shows a return to the old, rather than looking forward to the future by removing what did not work for the old and reinvigorating the system that was dismantled. A democracy is only as strong as the people who hold power in it are, so it requires a well-educated, interested and involved peoples to make it up. Apathy and tolerating all the little accumulative evils is poison, and to remove the poison once it spreads is a chore and a half. For by then, corruption has seen people seated in power who are jury-rigging the democracy to only give them what they want, and from there it's a short slide to authoritarianism or a non-liberal democracy. In such, even the people who support the way things are ruled are not happy, because they are laboring under the illusion this is good, yet things around them are showing they are not.

[@MisterChelonian]

Historically most rebellions fail at maintaining an infrastructure after the fact or even setting up a functional government afterwards. Most end up having another rebellion taking over for them shortly after. It's pretty realistic.

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

I like it, I the way they used this episode to try and fix their screwups.

[@Slayer398]

Well isn't that a problem in and of itself though? They literally have to fix their screwups in the sequels in other mediums to justify their reasoning for the state of the NR which was out of the blue and had no setup.

[@badideagenerator2315]

The sequels are still canon, meaning that the mandalorian has to be cohesive with their weak storytelling, and as a result, the parts of the mandalorian's plotline relating to luke's jedi order are suffering.

[@timvanzee9160]

Being a EU fan since forever its upsetting to see such a fragile New Republic when I'm used to such a powerful and helpful one.

[@jeskerjames3260]

Maybe this is why Kylo Ren betrayed the New Republic. He saw how pathetic they were and said “I can do better than this. Gonna go become Supreme Leader.”

[@VerdantJedi]

The sequels yuck 🤮

[@BjornRktos]

I love how they're portraying the new republic. Governments are going to end up going that way and i dislike seeing them portrayed as perfect heros. I like the dark underside of the bureaucratic nonsense being shown. The new boss is the same as the old.

[@EmmettMcFly55]

This episode reminded me of The Phantom Menace. For the pirates, there was the Trade Federation. For Teva's journey to Coruscant, there was Padme's. For the Mandalorians, there were the Jedi. For the Republic... there's the Republic. With a few more justifications this time, but it's still a striking parallel. In addition to the reasons you mentioned, though, it must be said that a story about a lone hero helping save the day time and time again wouldn't work so well if the galaxy wasn't dysfunctional.

[@LtGenAile]

Yularen... a Rebel?

[@geetslys]

Mind drifted elsewhere😢 meant Commander Sato

[@LtGenAile]

@Geetsly's Don't worry dear. Keep up the excellent content my friend.

[@kevinjohnson60]

My read on it was instead to pure military dominance in the way of the empire, the new republic thought they would be able to talk and use diplomacy for every problem. They had the idealistic vision that now that the emperor is no longer around to pull the stings and the empire crumbled it should be easy like it was in the old republic. They didn't have a standing military. Why should we? They did the exact same thing the old republic and missed all of the lessons they should have learned.