This NEEDS To Change | Abingdon Marathon Training WEEK 5

[@guymonty]

Your empathy with the poor boar is to your credit and very touching.

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks.. to be honest I do feel a bit stupid because I know it shouldn’t affect a workout, but it got to be a bit that morning

[@MegaInc1980]

@@TheFODRunnerThat just makes you even more likeable and human

[@gw4550]

We can all feel your pain brother. Too many folks have zero empathy. Keep up the good work.

[@TheFODRunner]

@@gw4550 thank you 🙏

[@Manuel_712]

Good luck, Andy, you can do it. Like. Happy monday.

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks buddy!

[@justanoldfashionedrunner605]

i fully understand how you felt, when you saw the poor animals. I would have needed to stop the run as well

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks Thomas… it messed my head up a bit that day! We see animals that have been hit a lot… but it was more the way the other boar was acting, he just wanted his mates back with him

[@LeePrice82]

Did my first marathon recently and based on you telling me that you were thinking of going all in on the 160s. I did that too. Worked a treat. Thank you Andy!! Your channel is my goto! Awesome!

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks so much!

[@tworunningbrooms]

Oh my word. We were running up the TPT a couple of years ago when a very young deer cut across our path. Wow we thought. It then ran across several fields. About half a mile further up we saw ut jump off one of those old railway bridges. About 50 feet high. It nearly landed on a woman running down the trail. Sadly it took several minutes to breathe its last as it kept trying to get up and run. It must have jumped out of the way of road traffic coming over the bridge not knowing of the big drop We still think of it every time we run up there. Which is often. Very useful calculator from X-miles. Thanks.

[@TheFODRunner]

Oh gosh, sorry to hear that guys, thats horrible, cant of been nice to of seen!

[@McLeod573]

Hi buddy, so sad 😢 …I also saw an animal in distress once when I couldn't do anything. I always run along a canal and a doe had fallen in on the other side of the bank, she was trying to get back up but couldn't because of the iron plates that are used to hold the earth. I stopped but I couldn't do anything, I continued on my way and when I came back I didn't see her anymore... I don't think she was able to get back up. I was sad too...

[@troycambo]

'Men are the devils of the earth, and the animals are the tormented souls' -Schopenhauer. Running in nature has made me witness to the untold horrors human expansion into nature has on animals.. Ted Kasynszki wrote a book about it but yeah not sure if there's a pragmatic solution

[@TheFODRunner]

Oh man sorry to hear that, that can’t of been nice to watch

[@SparkesIsRunning]

I was no where near with my carbs in my last marathon according to the calculator. Gonna try taking more on board next sun during the New Forest Marathon. Thanks for sharing that!

[@TheFODRunner]

Thats ok! Good luck!

[@krisweston9732]

I totally understand how you felt it would have killed me too poor things

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks…. Never nice to see

[@kevinmcalley9358]

You could be feeling sick as your body isn’t requiring that level of additional carbs. When I got my lab testing done I was found to be very efficient at burning fat and only needing around 40-60g an hour max at marathon intensity, hence pushing my stomach to Maurten gel 5 and 6 just wasn’t really needed and what was causing the sick feeling. Also maybe worth changing up the texture of the later ones. I find I can have 4 Maurten and the 5th I struggle with, however I can handle a thinner bodied High5 gel at that stage.

[@TheFODRunner]

Yes after this weekends long run I am thinking this is indeed the case, swapping the strategy for next weekend!

[@luciannealbrecht190]

Thanks Andy - really valuable info regarding fuel strategy - I find this is my weakest element of training - would much prefer a drink but not going to happen for non elites. If it’s hot I find mauten 160 too sweet - I can get down high5 which is less viscous. I am fortunate in that I do better in second half and so the tail off in speed isn’t so bad. Best of luck for your 10K 😊

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks! Yes I would prefer drinks too but tricky to carry them all when you are running fast, a pack isnt an option sadly!

[@IMayRun]

What a heartbreaking situation you stumbled upon... So sad...I think it is very understandable that it affected you and your training. Sad there was nothing you could do in such a situation. Great job on the workouts nevertheless. Hope your spot on nutrition with help on your next marathon! Wishing you all the best! Can wait to see how you did on your 10k Race! 😊

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks!

[@38sep]

I think people who’ve experienced loss like yourself Andy would feel for the boar even more in this situation. Credit to you for being honest and not being ashamed to show emotion

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks... it was bloody tricky, I feel a bit stupid but that poor chap was just trying to get his mates to move and they wouldnt, he didnt understand and thats what got me

[@timwatkiss6123]

With the fuelling I would take 1 or 2 soft flasks of maurten 320 drink mix and drink them first and then switch to gels after that and then its not all gels and you will hopefully avoid the sick feeling. Have you considered trying maurtens sodium bicarb supplement? All the pro's are using it

[@TheFODRunner]

I have thought about bicarb yes! But I will wait until after this block, because I have heard it upsets some peoples stomach. So i will tinker with that over winter. The drink mix is a good idea

[@JAMESBAKER-jm5dv]

Don't blame you for reacting like that to the boar. It would have affected me too. There was nothing you could do. Just shows you have empathy & are a caring person. 👍

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks, always tough to see!

[@karlbratby4349]

I find fuelling on race day is not just fueling during race but fueling before and training body to actually run with fuel (food) in the tank. Started with small amounts but now can run with almost a full tank. Not going to tell you what to eat as that is specific to everyone but for me it’s a mix I use. 1 ripe banana moshed, 2 large spoons of raisins, a large spoon of peanut butter 3 large spoons of oats and a spoon of honey, mix it round spoon into foil balls put in fridge over night. Or make an overnight oat mix with banana, raisins oats and honey milk I use has been made with protein powder, over night oats is better than cooking oats as it’s breaks down the starch into easy digest whereas cooking makes the gloopy starch mix. Not saying gels don’t work but it's more how get body used to utilising it’s fuel reserve and how often it dips into those various tanks. There is research that rebukes the effect carb gels have during a race as it states for the crabs to be turned to glycogen and top up the tank in the time frame is not possible and also dependent on the efficiency of your digestive system to digest the carbs and pass through to glycogen into the muscles especially when the stomach is compromised of blood supply, sugars and caffeine more research to show a quicker boost effect and those sugars hit the bloodstream and boom, but too much sugar hitting the stomach t in the later part of a marathon that can be almost shut down as blood supply will be shunted to the muscles can make you sick very quick. A friend does ultras and very successfully uses kid/baby food pouches, all natural just larger pouches to carry. I have used Maurten and tested them against hi5 which are Less than half the price and noticed zero difference. I’m on the fence to whether they work on the whole, I do take probably more for the after-effects of muscles don’t seem to be as sore next day rather than the fueling effect during a race or long training runs. It’s a fascinating subject though and the human body is just an incredible bio engine. I ran this morning 23k on my overnight oats breakfast mix so tank of fuel and no ill effects during the run, no stitch or heavy feeling at a steady long run pace. 🎉🎉

[@TheFODRunner]

Yeah totally agree, I have a huge breakfast before a race these days... big bowl of porridge with chocolate spread! I avoid the fibre like bananas etc so that my stomach is solid for the race but I can put down around 60/80g carbs just from the porridge, then a drink mix on top often takes it well up. I have also read similar studies, but then I am skeptical of everything haha! The elites drink their carb drink every 5k for optimum fueling and good old kipchoge reportedly takes on around 100g carbs per hour, which is way higher than me... so I feel like they are a neccessity, but the brand choice of course is up for debate as to whether they are better than the other brands out there

[@karlbratby4349]

@@TheFODRunner banana 🍌 fibre changes as they ripen, greener ones have more fibre where as ripe with the black spots contains less and more sugars which is why you will see tennis players with a supply of ripe to over ripe and even cyclists carry a few in the pouch on there back, easy digest energy and contain less fibre in a ripe banana than your porridge which can actually glue you up with the starch, unless you do overnight oats which are less starchy as it’s the heat that brings that out whereas soaking softens and plumps the oat without the heat. 🌝

[@Oldmanlearn2skate]

Have you tried Precision Hydration? They have chews and good gels but I find their chews a bit sweet. The big 90g gel with a screw tip is handy though. Been trying the Clif chews and they are really good. 24g per chew, plenty of different flavours and even have some with caffeine. Might be worth testing, might help you get that last bit of energy in and down.

[@TheFODRunner]

I have some GU chews at home to try as well, they are a good idea to add a bit extra! Last time I had precision hydration gels my stomach went mad, so I have avoided them since sadly

[@Oldmanlearn2skate]

@@TheFODRunner I must have a bullet proof stomach. Never had an issue with any brand of gel. I even mix and match them on runs for different flavours etc and never had an issue. Try the cliff chews, they are the easiest to get down

[@peterdeakin464]

I know that Boar are a pest in the Forest but hope someone called a local vet or the RSPCA?

[@amber-leighmarvin4996]

Absolutely, a wildlife place would've helped, perhaps even saved their lives. So sad!

[@TheFODRunner]

Yeah the forestry commission usually deal with them around here

[@molochz]

I'm broken by the boar. Poor thing.

[@SparkesIsRunning]

Do you have an agister? They are part of the forestry team who should be able to help the animals.

[@TheFODRunner]

Yes we can ring the forestry commission and they come to collect them

[@RossN52]

I often run up in the FoD and occasionally see the wild boar out and about but never seen any been hit by a car etc. Never a nice sight to see any animal by the side of the road.

[@TheFODRunner]

very possibly!

[@sharonkeough8588]

Maybe there are farm vets who could help. Just a thought! I know they are wild but still it's hard to see them suffer.

[@TheFODRunner]

It happens all the time sadly, the forestry commission come and take them away

[@NorthernmostMustard]

What camera do you use to film your runs please? 😊

[@TheFODRunner]

gopro for training and insta 360 go 3 for races

[@davidmclucas2970]

Do you have a wildlife service in the UK that can be called out to help?

[@TheFODRunner]

Yes the forestry commission usually deal with them, you can give them a call and they come to collect them

[@anthonyhorsnall1516]

Horrible mate, worse when you want to help but can’t.

[@TheFODRunner]

Absolutely buddy

[@crayontom9687]

I stopped eating pork (and beef and lamb) last year cos I read that they are as intelligent as dogs and it was making me sad thinking it. That clip at the beginning was sad 😢 well run out there btw 😂

[@troycambo]

yes pigs and boars are highly intelligent.

[@TheFODRunner]

Yeah, the poor thing just didn’t know what to do with itself… it was a pretty hard watch if I’m honest

[@TheMassif]

No need to apologise for showing emotion and empathy. What you witnessed is pretty much what turned me vegan a few years ago

[@TheFODRunner]

Thanks, tricky to watch isnt it... its not the roadkill so much but moreso the poor chap trying to get his mates to move, it was really sad

[@st.peterunner8758]

I caused a rabbit to run out into the road the other morning and watched it get run over. It was awful. It was on the path in front of me and when I ran past it ran out into the street. It sucks even if it's a tiny animal. I also don't eat meat. If you eat meat then you cant actually care about an animal dying

[@TheFODRunner]

Oh gosh so sorry to read that, that would of cut me up too