This New Flat Earther Thinks They've Proven Flat Earth

[@keithage]

2D thinking in a 3D world.

[@christophsiebert1213]

I mean, here it kinda does work out still. Even in 2D his explanation makes sense and IS observble on our globe.

[@douglaswills4624]

@@christophsiebert1213 No, because he seems to think the stars disappear. When we're always looking up toward them. So even though we move around the sun, the same stars are above us, just in slightly different locations. This is absolutely an issue of 2D in a 3D world. Because he thinks "up" is changing. That's why his lines go toward the top of the paper, and then the bottom of the paper" when he makes the two E's.

[@dieseldave2273]

@@douglaswills4624 up does change depending on where you are on earth. Up at the equator will have you looking in a completely different direction than up at the 30th parallel. Up and down are irrelevant in space, unless you specifically evoke our galactic plane. The problem isn't that he thinks up changes, it's that he doesn't realize it does.

[@Trellyc0]

Can someone help me understand all the "2D vs 3D" comments on this? Maybe I'm missing something but none of this guys misunderstandings would be solved by going 3D, but both of them can be solved perfectly in 2D. His first mistake doesn't even have to do with his drawing and is just that a good portion of the stars do change with the seasons unlike what he says. But give him te benefit of the doubt and assume he lives extremely far north and it would arguably be only a small percentage, so an understandable mistake in my opinion. His second issue is that he equates the "night" hemisphere with the view of the sky everywhere in that hemisphere. If he'd simply drawn the hemisphere as limited by the horizon from whatever his latitude is then he'd instantly see the overlap between the summer and winter skies on his sketch, which would solve the problem of seeing the same stars. No 3D required. Arguably he could then go "but what about at the equator?" and you'd both have to point out that yes, most stars actually do change there, and also the earth is slightly tilted so the point that faces directly out from the sun is not the same point in all seasons. But this is still easily shown in 2D. Nothing 2D vs 3D in any of this...

[@midasjones4384]

Was just gonna type that

[@jimsweeney7339]

Apparently, he wants to offer proof of his statement that he is an idiot. Well done, he succeeded!!

[@Topofdescent55]

And the saddest part is that he didn't need to tell us that he's an idiot, it's as clear as the night stars

[@Mart77]

And somehow he is convinced to be smarter than all the astrophysicists and professors combined

[@hashfors]

Glerf..

[@DanielMWJ]

​@@Topofdescent55No, clearer. Light pollution makes stars less clear in many places.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@DanielMWJ It's sad, isn't it.

[@surfaceten510n]

The only thing he was 100% correct on was his admission that he was an idiot.

[@Bozeman42]

The premise of the experiment was good. He just didn't actually think through the full implications. "Given I am here on the earth in the globe model, which stars should I be able to see at various times." Another vibes based argument hiding in a good premise.

[@Chalo122790]

Well he was right like part way until he assumed the stats he was seeing were the same over you know doing the scientific thing to document the stars over a year to prove his point

[@Arltratlo]

Selbsterkenntnis ist der erste Schritt zur Besserung... self awareness is the first step to ( mental ) recovery... greetings from a European, who got sun burns in November only in South America and New Zealand... and in July only here in Europe and Canada! Flat earthers must hate people who travel all over the planet!

[@cryptojihadi265]

He actually nailed the setup for the experiment and even had an accurate hypothesis that the stars we see at night should change, and they do! The problem is, he's only casually observed the night sky, little more than looking up and seeing a bunch of points of light, so he never noticed the night sky DOES change throughout the year.

[@gregorymoore2877]

If a person admits they might be an idiot, does that not place them one step further away from being an idiot?

[@Lee.Willcox]

I don't stare at my feet, I have always been someone that looks up, especially at night. So in 1997 when I was sent to Australia with work, on the first night I looked up. WOW ! A new scene, I even saw the Southern Cross. I got goosebumps. Odd to some, but it was majestic to me. The first thing I said to a colleague that night was "I don't recognise the sky".

[@Mattball82]

That’s so cool I know this is the case, but never really think about the fact that the stars I see are not the same as others!

[@Sujowi]

Our stars down under are the best!

[@Lee.Willcox]

@@Sujowi They are, I was in wonder, I couldn't stop looking. So many and so different. Incredible. Thank F*ck we don't live on a flat Earth, can you imagine how boring it would be 🤣

[@palmiramayes8372]

Here in NZ the winter solstice (Matariki) literally celebrated by the appearance of the star cluster Pleiades.

[@dariuspatrick1385]

It's always fun when flat earthers prove the globe without realizing it

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Right! In his opening bit he is proving the sphere with the light side/dark side. Still haven't heard how seasons work on flat Earth.

[@ZarnonElchris]

My favorite kind of video as well. Flerf: If the Earth was round, we would see X, but we don't. Normal person: Actually, we do see X. Here's proof. Flerf: Oh. Well...I'm still right somehow.

[@nightmareTomek]

It's like he never left the basement and saw the sky, let alone took a picture.

[@youaremopped]

As usual, instead of thinking, hmmm this doesn't make sense to me, maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, they think everyone else is wrong.

[@javierhillier4252]

That’s such a perfect way to put it

[@micheal49]

People have been observing the night sky for several thousand years. Thousands of people have kept very accurate observations of the night sky for several thousand years. After going over all that data, several people figured out (1) Erf be round, (2) Erf orbit Sun, (3) Mongo just pawn in game of life. Since people figured all that out, thousands of very, very smart, highly educated, trained observers have tested the model and found it accords with reality. And yet, one guy, sitting alone in his own little world has discovered something that nobody else has figured out in all those thousands of years.

[@youaremopped]

@micheal49 EXACTLY

[@TrickOrRetreat]

​@@micheal49He creates a good question, now he just have to understand and accept the answer/explanation. But agree that he should have tried to understand the observations, available to everyone on this thing we call the internet 😂

[@Case_]

Not only that, but they also clearly never actually looked at the night sky.

[@TheRenofox]

-If Earth was round, things would work like this. -Things DO work like that. -Well that doesn't prove anything.

[@masterdirk101]

"we don't use the ceiling fan to measure the floor." or something equally stupid

[@JebediahKerb]

You see, mostly you never get an answer at all. Just silence after you show that they have debunked flat earth themselves.

[@nightmareTomek]

@@JebediahKerb Yeah, because they don't understand it...

[@Tillyard86]

“That doesn’t matter” basically means “I don’t have anything to say to counter that”.

[@DavidHardy-wf6xs]

Oh dear… “I’m an idiot” he states…. Yeah, we get that.

[@skyinou]

"It's not to scale, doesn't matter you'll see my point", then goes on to completely misunderstand because it's not to scale. Dear oh dear.

[@Trevor_Austin]

The scale wasn’t important and in fact his diagram was perfectly acceptable. It was the logic behind his message that counted. What he did not do is test what he said. What he didn’t realise is that stars are seasonal.

[@seriokan2971]

the more important issues were: 1. His drawing was not 3 dimensional, and polaris would've been *above* the diagram, not on the paper. 2. His "line of sight of the night sky" lines were inaccurate, as it was only reflective of *exactly* midnight, on *exactly* the point opposite the sun. in fact, any tangent you draw on the earth would be a view of the sky, and if the sun isn't on the sky it would be night. So the "sky line" he drew could be *much* more angled and we would have areas on the top and bottom of the diagram that would overlap, representing views in the evening and morning, and similar thing would happen to stars above the diagram if we assume a position further north, or below the diagram if we move further south than the point directly opposite to the sun (which isn't exactly the equator, but close)

[@patrick-west]

​​​@@seriokan2971 Yup... The scale isn't the main issue, it's all of the other simplifications he made which he didn't account for. Cause the diagram isn't terrible if you're describing midnight near the equator... But his comment about the "orientation" of the constellations proves he was thinking about a range of times from a significant latitude offset, which is where his model fails to extrapolate.

[@eewweeppkk]

His diagram was totally fine for a very crude way to convey his point. Literally the only problem he has is that he doesn't realize that we see different stars in different seasons- he probably just assumed they were always the same and didn't think that was correct (which is accurate). He just never verifier that they were always the same.

[@DanielMWJ]

​@@eewweeppkkThey aren't even the same year to year, either. They're on a tens-of-millennia cycle of succession.

[@Jonassoe]

"night time can only be the side facing away from the sun" but in the standard FE model, the whole Earth is facing the sun all the time... 🤔

[@LuciferMorningstar-wk8qu]

There is so much wrong with this... ive tried to get them to answer my question... if the earth is flat, and the sun is above the earth, why cant i zoom in and see the sun at night?

[@rooty]

​@@LuciferMorningstar-wk8qu also the sun should illuminate a circle below it, with the surrounding areas where the light doesn't reach experiencing night, but obviously those are not the night and day patterns we see in those countries.

[@MexLuthor1970]

They have a standard model?! 😂

[@danbsports6760]

This is exactly what I thought. When he draws the "truth" at the bottom of the page, he neglects to draw the sun and show us which side is night. (The bottom!)

[@squidcaps4308]

@@LuciferMorningstar-wk8qu Because sun is not omnidirectional, it is a spot light that is focused on Earth so that only small portion of it is lighted at any one time. On top of this the sun does not just rotate around a common point but the common point itself rotates to provide different day&night cycles in the northern hemisphere. And as we all know by now, no one has ever observed 24h sunlight in the Antarctic. That is their logic. What is focusing the sunlight and what is blocking the scattered light of the focusing device that would reveal it.. Just a lens would not do, they would have to be barndoor shutters around the sun and the lens so.. what are those things? Nobody knows. They are happy to not know that part and instead ask that we debunk how the thing that they don't know works.

[@skepticalCoder]

I give him part marks for the ‘I’m an idiot’ statement. Nailed it.

[@EdwardCooler-py6mu]

Yep, got it in one!

[@jetplaneflyer]

He should have stopped the video there.

[@marckoehler1565]

I’m absolutely laughing hysterically about the “face” he made. Saw it immediately. Oh, man I’m so happy I stayed till the end. I needed that laugh.

[@padders1068]

Has he never looked at the stars at the same time of day in different seasons! Rhetorical question! Dear Oh Dear! 🙄🙄🙄🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

[@conaireparsons9672]

he has, but he probably doesn't know how to recognize the majority of them. or he lives far enough north to be able to consistently see some of them all year around. here in Canada I can see the big dipper pretty much all the time. and its easy to recognize. I'm willing to bet he uses the big dipper as his metric as well and since he can always see it, "the stars don't change"

[@NoOne0439]

This is a perfect example of someone not knowing what the f*** he’s talking about..

[@pete_lind]

We in Finland see same stars in winter and in summer we see a star , called sun nearly 24/7 🙂

[@Uthink_]

you are a perfect example of a puppet, you just go along with the lies but the day will come when you have to make your case with the creator, good luck with that dumbass.

[@denttech2515]

"I'm an idiot, let me tell you why the earth is flat and science is wrong."... ooooooouch

[@mizquitl]

Thank you for the summary! :D

[@leavemyrightsalone]

Can science ever be wrong?

[@hughjanus2781]

@@leavemyrightsaloneit often its wrong more so than it’s right. Science works when it can’t be prove wrong not when it’s proven right

[@leavemyrightsalone]

@@hughjanus2781 I know it is often wrong, but people still just go with it. SCIENCE IS GREAT! knowing it is wrong, because it is a religion, and will be protected like a religion.

[@robadams1645]

@@leavemyrightsalone The scientific method can be boiled down to "here's my idea, show me where I'm wrong". If nobody can find a way to show it's wrong, it becomes the primary idea, until eventually it's replaced with a better idea. The whole point of science is to come up with better representations of the world that replace older ones. So science being wrong is a good thing because we're making progress. Religion, on the other hand is "here's how it is, and don't even try to argue with it". Literally the exact opposite of science. Do some people worship "great scientists" as if they can never be wrong? Sure. But that's just because we're human. Over time, those "great scientists" ideas are replaced whether they like it or not.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

He didn't even try to look for existing explanation - he hatched entire new reality inside his head and called it a day.

[@borano2031]

The Dunning-Kruger self confidence at work. Rgr

[@realityjunky]

We need to be teaching how the brain works, right from pre-school on up. Cognitive biases are the result of millennia of adaptive evolution and we will always have them but that doesn't mean we can't learn how to recognize them and understand how they can influence our thought processes.

[@barrylangille3523]

Typical flat earther

[@adamgh0]

That's pretty much how MAGA works.

[@shart_with_force6686]

Such active imaginations children have. …wait, he’s an adult? Oh…. He IS an idiot.

[@whysohigh]

The confidence😂. He really thought he was the first one to ever think of that too.

[@obsydian2647]

Saw the face and was going to come to the comments to mention it, but you beat me to it!😂😂😂

[@Tymbus]

Some people aren't safe to be left with just a pen and paper

[@Soundbrigade]

Guess he tried to show his point with crayons, as we all know, flerfs and crayons must never be stored in the same place. “Harry, come and have lunch!” “I’m not hungry, I just ate my crayons!”

[@Creamy-1988]

That's not just a pen. It's a soft felt tip and it's still not safe.😂

[@mrpositronia]

Reminds me of another Sharpie user who constantly proves his lack of, well, everything.

[@Kualinar]

That's a sharpie. In the hands of a flerf, they are even more hazardous than pens.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@Kualinar Sharpies are great for NOAA hurricane maps.

[@williamkash7162]

"Not to scale..." And yet his whole argument fails because he cannot comprehend scale himself.

[@gregorymoore2877]

Also a missed opportunity to give us the wonderful quote: "Please excuse the crudity of my model, I didn't have time to paint it or build it to scale."

[@RémiGratis]

No it's not.

[@noamfinnegan8663]

Brings a whole new meaning to "near, far away " - Father Ted Moo 🤠

[@kirillsukhomlin3036]

Not exactly. He thinks there's a "wall of light" and nobody can see even slightly beyond the dusk/dawn.

[@SpeziFischDE]

i actually think he would only need to draw his position on the globe on the northern hemisphere and its vision cone of 180° to be able to understand that there is an overlap. scale is only a secondary issue.

[@jitagan]

When I was a child, I would look for Orion, because it was so recognizable, during the summer and be unable to find it. It became obvious the visible stars changed during the year. What happens during their adulthood that makes flat earthers less wise than children.

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

I did the same, until light pollution smothered the stars. Now, on occasion, I can see Venus or Jupiter. I think that most younger people have never seen a starry sky.

[@MjolnirJM]

Can homeboy see Orion's belt all year? My favourite time of year is watching it come fully into my nighttime sky.

[@DuaneVT]

And Scorpio with red Antares, in time for summer at the beach.

[@PhillipBrown-w1g]

Can he see the Southern Cross at all?

[@jsbrads1]

That’s just like your opinion man. I still can’t believe there are Flerfs that try to argue everyone has their own stars because they can’t explain the stars.

[@BobbieBees]

The world is flat. Somebody left the lid off and all of the carbonation bubbles left the water.........

[@h14hc124]

Spock: "His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking"

[@WHEELSRT7]

Was looking for this! Thought the same thing lololol

[@CaptApril123]

Damn! You beat me to it.

[@idwmac]

And we all know how well that worked out🤣

[@ahlplex]

and bias to the Northern HemiSPHERE

[@Yippeetippee6749]

That face at the end! Classic! It did make me wonder if he was actually trolling flerfs because it’s so ridiculous.

[@russellayton6408]

That can't be an accident! 😂

[@peterrenn6341]

It's clearly Paddington (or Ursa Major if you like;-)

[@funkyfender1]

This guy is actually a genius anti-flerfer… don’t you think? This is the best trolling demo ever! Don’t be fooled @SciManDan… he’s on your side! 😂😂😂

[@vernhart]

I came to the comments to see if anyone else mentioned the face! 😐😂

[@nightmareTomek]

Thought the same when I saw that face. But that can't be, like, you'd make it more obvious if you were trolling.

[@paulcadogan4940]

Prediction: Dude can't 3D. Conclusion: Yep

[@SethMunroe]

I wish Dan had animated the transition from season to season. Showing how the stars gradually change position from our perspective is easier to understand than a jump to next season

[@jaychaff1078]

Right ascension, this is the concept he is grasping for.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

How is it easier to understand? In what way?

[@jaychaff1078]

@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic I would redraw his diagrm so to have one sun in the middle of a clock dial, with the earth on the end of one of the clock hands. Night time would be facing out along the pointer toward the dial with 24 numbers representing the right ascension at that particular time of year. Which one was overhead would change as the earth ticks though it's orbit. Of course instead of instead of numbers we see the stars which are assigned a right ascension.

[@happlesswoodworker6903]

Earlier today, my son was watching the National Geographic channel, a program called Endurance. I didn't see all of it but it was about looking for the Ernest Shackleton ship that he and crew sailed and explored the antarctic for 2 years he was there. Any flat earthers seen this

[@marswest3152]

Omg, this level of (to be polite) misunderstanding is frightening when considering our future.

[@kschantz]

The aliens are laughing at us.

[@andy-the-gardener]

no need to worry there as we don't have one.

[@kschantz]

@andy-the-gardener we might have one now.

[@andy-the-gardener]

@@kschantz oh i agree. i didn't literally mean we didn't have one.

[@CosminDuru]

It wouldn't be a surprise if under a idiocracy world regime and some plague/wars, say 200 years from now, people will become retarded idiots and believe/teach the flat earth theory in schools. I mean it's happened before, middle ages were a serious setback in terms of science

[@flightsimdev]

I have never seen Polaris, but then again Australia doesn't exist, and flerfers aren't real!

[@mre6330]

G'day from the non-existent down under.🇦🇺👍🏻

[@infin8ee]

Wha? Is that why it's dark out? I'm not existing now? Or am I a paid actor or...? Have a good one 😅

[@robadams1645]

Australian flat earthers DO exist though. Checkmate globies?

[@busload_uk]

Harrison is SO stupidly confident, and SO confidently stupid.

[@stephenlitten1789]

I hope he comes with his own facepalm warning

[@tompiper9276]

An unbeatable combination 😅

[@markdodd606]

The essence of the Dunning-Kruger effect is confident stupidity.

[@Badfilms6784]

The Dunning Kruger Effect

[@187nemesis3]

Stupidity makes confident. Why i'm thinking now of Bertrand Russel? 🤔

[@rickcreamer8193]

I think his drawing at the end perfectly depicted the expression of FLERFS when reality is explained to them! LOL! 😂

[@DPYROAXIS]

He combined flat earth and globe earth. His drawing is like someone standing by a building and you can't see what is on the other side. That's the globe earth bit but what about in the 3D world where stars are ABOVE us also. He really didn't think it through.

[@scevvin7788]

I'm baffled...has he never looked up during different nights of the year?

[@ceejay0137]

Impossible to say because we don't know if he has a window in his basement.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Flerfs don't go outside at night.

[@davidioanhedges]

He lives in a city, he can only see stars when looking straight up due to light pollution

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@davidioanhedges Nah, he just sees his low ceiling.

[@jerry2357]

He's probably only looked north and seen the circumpolar stars every time. As Dan said, he's forgotten that he doesn't live at the equator.

[@kieranharwood7186]

It's so baffling... He can hop on a return flight from, say, New York to Lima tonight and see this is wrong for under £500... How do Flerfers not understand the concept of the equatorial or southern hemisphere being different to where they are??

[@RichWoods23]

They don't want to travel between hemispheres in case they fall off, like water off a tennis ball.

[@LaSerpentDEden]

Reinventing stupidity is a career.

[@zeeox]

Well, as long as it pays the bills I guess.

[@EdwardCooler-py6mu]

He has a mind like a steel trap. Anything that gets caught in it gets mangled!

[@locard2008]

By the end, his diagram looks like a pretty cool, freckled, psychedelic space dog. Woof!

[@CyberKnight1]

11:50 "Does anyone else see a face?" Well, I do now, and now I can't unsee it, so thanks for that. Gave me a good laugh.

[@soulcrewblue8629]

"I'm an idiot" and proceeds to try and prove a flatearth. Willful ignorance bad...education good.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

He must be related to Anthony Riley.

[@robadams1645]

If he wasn't an idiot, he wouldn't be a flat earther.

[@Ekigane]

I think it was brilliant argument given "I'm an idiot" was the thesis.

[@cartesiancircle]

The anonymous "they" does a lot of heavy lifting in conspiracy circles 🙄

[@drmunki]

My 8 year old laughed at this guy.

[@reaperj550]

No he/she didn't

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

Things that didn't happen for 500 Alex!

[@curtiscroulet8715]

Seventy years of astronomy down the drain. I thought I was seeing different stars in different seasons. They're all the same? Virgo and Orion are really the same stars? Boy, have I been fooled!

[@chrismeyer5568]

I like when they think they have the "got you moment" then it falls apart.

[@scareyg]

The shocked face in the drawing at the end was unintentional but appropriate

[@WeeGrannieNZ]

With big ears 😂😂

[@dougfraser77]

I suspect it was intentional and he is trolling

[@wilburhamz]

He drew Flerfy the Bear!

[@CD_Character]

Perhaps a self-portrait ?

[@tf8327]

He thought he had an argument, but did not confirm it with reality...

[@zeeox]

Followed by later denials of proof and the creation of a buggy app.

[@carlosspeicywiener7018]

I wonder if his mom put his drawing on the refrigerator with the pineapple magnet or the little typewriter magnet.

[@brianjohnston3707]

Yeah probably the pineapple magnet and I bet it was upside down 🤔 oooo mom 😂

[@firetecher]

Oh...come on...we all know he is so hoping for a smiley face sticker or gold star.

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

8:26 ...... Uhm ... WHAT bomb shelve ?! Your brain exploding, by not understanding ?!

[@doncarlodivargas5497]

This is a special type of people that only "think" how the world are and never check

[@Nephilim27]

He clearly says bombshell. I do not hear bomb shelve at all. Lol

[@ElMalito187]

Fun fact: This flat earther sounds like Archer from Archer or Bob from Bob's Burgers or Carl from Family Guy. Cheers 🥂

[@RodCornholio]

His mind will really fry when he tries to figure out why there is about a 3 minute and 56 second difference from one day to another, regarding the position of celestial objects.

[@davidg4288]

It's almost like there's a one day difference spread out over the course of a year. I wonder what could cause that ? 😆

[@Yippeetippee6749]

How do these people even make it into adulthood

[@surfaceten510n]

Careful supervision and the ability to spot on without causing an interaction or collision.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Toddults.

[@PeerAdder]

Sadly, there's no test you need to pass to be admitted into the club.

[@Mart77]

Below average human is still quite intelligent. Not like university-intelligent, but intelligent enough to know how to open a fridge door or get water from a tap.

[@robadams1645]

He sounds like he's around 20 so he hasn't reached adulthood yet.

[@dieseldave2273]

Tell me you don't understand 3 dimensional space without telling me.

[@cryptojihadi265]

He understood it fine, he just didn't realize the night sky DOES change. THAT is where he failed. His diagram works for the point he was trying to make and his assertion was valid. Based on our model and his diagram of that model, the night sky should change, and it does. In spite of his admonishment to only believer what you can observe, he's the one who hasn't observed what the night sky actually does!

[@wolfgangkuhteubl-fichtl4709]

He just proved the globe without noticing that he proved the globe. Hilarious!!! 😂

[@Grim_Nerd]

Why is Bob from Bob's Burgers trying to tell me about space?

[@jsbrads1]

Hey! I like Bob’s Burgers

[@davidioanhedges]

He's just proved globe earth .... just like most flat earth tests ...

[@John_Smith_60]

To be fair, when you live on a globe, it's really really hard to prove that you don't.

[@ajnphotography_uk]

Another flerf that can’t think in 3D! 🤦‍♂️if he drew a load of stars on blank sheet of paper and then held it over the other one, that would have shown him what basically really happens!

[@patrick-west]

Tbf this wouldn't have helped hugely... His "LoS" was drawn wrong, it's not a terrible approximation of midnight directly opposite the sun... But I'd bet he doesn't love somewhere that is ever directly opposite the sun... And he's "observations" are wrong if you take a snapshot at midnight, cause there are stars you can't see at in summer and winter if taken at the same time. And the ones you do see in both you see cause you don't live opposite the sun, so that straight line would be at an angle. Maybe at that point he'd benefit from a bit of 3d thinking, but I reckon he's about 3 steps short of getting even that far.

[@Case_]

Thinking in 3D is largely irrelevant here, not sure why everyone keeps pointing it out. The problem here is that what he describes doesn't actually happen, and he would know that if he at least bothered to look at the night sky once in a while.

[@paulmadryga]

3:02 - "I'm an idiot..." Well, I wasn't going to go there, Harrison; but... now that you mention it...

[@irrelevant_noob]

3:00... he started with "i'm not that s--" and then decided to go with a more prudent statement. ^^

[@christopherballard3215]

Why do flerfs always think that as soon as it gets dark you are instantly facing 180 degrees away from the sun (i.e. it's midnight)?

[@JohnMichaelson]

They can't even get 2D right, let alone 3D.

[@rebeuhsin6410]

If you were on the tropic cancer in summer looking up, and then the tropic of Capricorn in winter. You would see exactly the other half of the stars.

[@ethribin4188]

He got his messege across well. But he forgot about the 3rd dimension.

[@yourguard4]

They always forget, that we can basicly see 180° of the sky facing away from the ground. They only think about "facing away from the sun" and "looking straight up".

[@Kualinar]

For them, just after Sun set, at midnight and just before Sun rise, don't mater. In their «minds», any night time moment is midnight.

[@SamyasaSwi]

I wonder if he thinks like that because he thinks its also only dark in space on the nighttime side

[@davidg4288]

Maybe he does all his observing from a skylight facing North.

[@afoolonahill6417]

Not only do stars appear to orbit the south celestial pole in the southern hemisphere but all the constellations are upside down compared to the northern hemisphere - flerfs can never explain either of those

[@riconui5227]

As is the moon. I've never heard a flerf explain why the moon appears inverted from the southern hemisphere for a visitor from the north. But there must be lots of things flerfs don't want to think about.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

I'd love to see constellation Scorpius at zenith! And Alpha Centauri and Achernar and Acrux ...

[@ClaudeGhendrih-w4o]

@@riconui5227 Come on we all know the southern hemisphere is a hoax...

[@mczeljk]

@@riconui5227when I was on the Southern hemisphere that was one of first things I looked out for on the first night. Quite awesome

[@lepayen]

How can you type such a dumb response and not see how wrong it is. If I walk to the other side of the equator, the constellations aren't magically upside down. There is no up and down in space.

[@simonpeyton-n3h]

the fact he drew a face without realising was by far the best part of the video

[@JohnMichaelson]

I will never understand why people who volunteer that they have no idea what they're talking about are the ones we're supposed to believe, while ignoring the entire history of humanity's members who DO have an idea what they're talking about.

[@terryjwood]

This is why I stay up so late! To see the newest Sci Man Dan video drop! This poor fellow needs to get outside more! As I kid I spend a lot of time with my telescope and quickly learned there were Summer constellations and there were Winter constellations. In the Summer the Winter Constellations were gone. And it was exciting to see the Winter constellations return as the days went by. Is he kidding? He's made a Bart Simpson drawing at this point: 11:22

[@peaceisking3993]

Love getting support in my staying up on KZbin for good reason, also super insightful story I image those very constellations were lived by and memorized by our hunting and navigating ancestors.

[@MetalMalc]

As a kid I quickly learnt that if I pointed my simple telescope, on a tripod, at a star, the object would quickly track out of the field of view. Constant manual intervention was required. As I got more sophisticated I could set the telescope up so that objects would track into the field of view. I concluded that I controlled the stars!

[@treadingtheboards2875]

I did the same as a kid, lying on the roof of the back yard shed just staring at the stars. That was over 60 years ago, now I can barely see them because of light pollution.

[@terryjwood]

@@treadingtheboards2875 I've had the same experience with light pollution. It's kind of ruined amateur astronomy.

[@terryjwood]

@@MetalMalc I remember my father thinking he had "bumped" the telescope and so the moon was no longer in view. He was so amazed when I explained that everything is in motion -- and you could observe it!

[@Shroomanoidz]

Aww the flerf drew a doggy. Give him a sticker.

[@frankowalker4662]

⭐

[@alieninvention1310]

Dammit, you beat me to it, I was going to say the exact same thing 😂

[@firetecher]

Not so fast buds. Serious superposition issue here. Schroedingers Sticker Dilemma....Is it a yellow smiley face or is it a gold star?

[@PenisMighty]

It's a clown face so it's basically a mirror he's holding.

[@mre6330]

Rorschach test.....?🤔

[@dogwalker666]

Love when flatopians debunk themselves!

[@lonegroover]

Poor guy, unfortunately his self-assessment was spot on.

[@treylh82]

At 10:22 he sounds exactly like H. Jon Benjamin from Bobs Burgers😆

[@LudosErgoSum]

When he says «Yes, the orientation of the stars doesn’t matter.» which is a massive handwaving away of relevant information that contradict his arguments.

[@squidcaps4308]

Not necessarily. Start can still rotate around the earth in a flat earth model to change their orientation. It is geocentric mode for most of flerfs, everything rotates around a a stationary earth. Having different constellations does not actually prove globe IF we allow starts to rotate and move. They do not have to deliver the mechanism how it works, as long as it can work in one hypothetical model, no matter how ridiculous it is.

[@lepayen]

Well no, he actually got that right. No matter what the star positions are, the results are still going to be the same. however, he magically got the wrong results.

[@GaryLuKOTH]

“Why not just go with the one that looks like and feels like your whole life?” Even by that logic, what I’ve experienced my whole life is that there’s day and night. That’s not possible on the flat Earth model as the sunlight reach won’t just randomly stop halfway through the world.

[@X-Gen-001]

"I hope you can understand." Yes we understand how you've failed to understand.

[@georgeoro]

Even his little drawing was kinda surprised with his mind-blowing explanation... 😮

[@mlibront]

I think the best part is that he basically drew a clown face by the end... which is ironic.

[@KultClassic]

His 2D map has failed him badly. He is going to be mind blown when he discovers the 3rd dimension.

[@BellumEtPacem]

I look forward to reading all about it in the next issue of Nature.

[@antonystark9240]

That might happen. Nature notoriously had a homeopathy issue some years ago, so why not a flat earth issue?

[@Mus.Anonymouse]

How to tell you cannot think in 3D without telling you cannot think in 3D. What about the constellations that are different from summer and winter (and change every month).

[@Doctor-vn8es]

Scientists told previous generations, we've put a satellite into orbit, we've sent a man into space, we've eradicated smallpox, we've done the first heart transplant, we've landed a man on the moon, we've put a robot on mars, we've sequenced the human genome, we've cloned a sheep, etc etc Today's generation... For the last time the earth is round not flat!!!! There is no hope.

[@johnfitzgerald8879]

This is amazing. The Flearth perfectly reasoned that during the summer and winter the stars must be different, thus proving the globe model and then draws the completely wrong conclusion. We mark the seasons with the constellations that are visible.

[@BrianStevens-y6h]

The educational system is indicted again.

[@emmapasqule2432]

This is why we needed Trump back. The democrats have infused the education system with their woke trans loving gay crap, where as we should be teaching proper science and maths. Trump will get rid of this woke Californian garbage and hopefully education will imrpve.

[@darkkard123]

Don't blame it all just on the system. My classmates and I had the same program, same teachers. I remeber very well all the times when regular lazy asses asked me to copy my homework. Some people just don't want to learn anything no matter how you present it to them. This is the result.

[@danielkinton7193]

@@darkkard123 Some kids need a different style of teaching, too bad we cant have more individualized lesson plains

[@John_Smith_60]

@danielkinton7193 It doesn't matter what style of teaching you use if the student ignores it.

[@darkkard123]

@@BrianStevens-y6h yes. Exactly. I had a history teacher. He was so funny and invested. Used to tell jokes about aristotle and alexander the great. But folks in the last row were listening to music on ipods and sending texts to eachother.

[@Tilten]

People who live close to the equator are baffled, it’s like this guy thinks the world is flat…😮

[@robadams1645]

There isn't a whole lot of thinking going on.

[@barryjenkins6137]

Flerfs endlessly parrot commrnts about stars never moving etc,yet i bet not one of them can even point to a single constellation.

[@malkystoddart2562]

I'm always staggered that people record their 'proof' and then post it online- often without checking online first for the explanations they say they can't find. 'Won't' seems more like it.

[@seanamor]

Love the way this flerf thinks he’s made an amazing discovery that no one has ever considered before, but everyone knows exactly what he’s going to say after about 30 seconds.

[@dtg7957]

As a normal American, he never left the states and saw other countries...🙄🙄🙄

[@giin97]

Most Americans never leave their State, with only marginally better numbers traveling to a neighboring State. Honestly, thinking of us as a single unit is a significant error, we're not; were a union of 50 aligned States across the continent, much as the EU is a union of 27 states across their continent. And have you seen these States? Different topography, different climates, different cultures, different accents... They are practically different countries, already 😂

[@dtg7957]

@giin97 I know that, the most Americans do not leave their state. When I was the first time in America, an American friend of mine told me that I've been in more states than most Americans. And that was my first visit. I had 5 more, in the last years. Hmmm...I've been in....around min. 15 states less than 1 day. Minimum 5 or 6 states more than 1 day and a couple of weeks in min. 6 States. To be honest, just last week, I've got a friend visiting me from Wisconsin. Where I lived and worked in Wisconsin and Minnesota. In Europe...Germany, Romania, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Denmark, England, Spain, Hungary, Czech Republic, Turkey, Greek... Around the world...I don't wanna tell. So Yes, I've been around the world. And I love to travel. Just to answer your question. I know, what I'm talking about!

[@mattguey-lee4845]

@@giin97 The number of people who have never left the state they were born is is something like 10%. I wouldn't say most but it is a significant percent of the population.

[@rachelwhite2210]

Travel would seem to expand their understanding since they rely so heavily on their own personal experience.

[@dtg7957]

@@rachelwhite2210 You're right! 👍

[@christophsiebert1213]

"You probably don't know if you've never looked at the stars" You mean... like you never did, apparently?

[@johnburn8031]

He can't think in three dimensions. 🤦‍♂️🙇

[@robtapp6400]

Buddy looks at the sky and says "Hey, I can see Polaris and the Big Dipper in the sky all year round!" totally ignoring the fact there are a bunch of other stars/constellations that cannot be seen or have changed places. It also is another instance of flerfers not understanding the true scale of the universe. Actually, they cannot seem to grasp the scale of the Earth, let alone the solar system and beyond. They don't get how a section of the sphere can seem flat, because they still do not grasp the vastness of that orb. Just like zooming in on a computer drawing of a circle to see a flat area on the curve, they do not realize how far out they need to zoom out on Earth to start to show the curve of the oblate spheroid.

[@klasbagger7968]

Why is bob from bobs burgers a flat earther now?

[@DK70707]

He was so close to the right answer

[@chrisray135]

If the earth was flat, cats would push things off the edge.

[@krautsky]

Cats cannot climb the icewall, so things are safe there. And since space doesn't exist, cats couldn't push things off anyway.

[@lepayen]

Congratulations on copying someone elses comment that people have been copying for years now. So original. It literally shows up one to five times in the comments of every flat earth debunking video. And not one person quoted the original comment, they just act like they came up with it. Plagiarism.

[@irrelevant_noob]

@@krautsky you're unaware of the amazing climbing ability that cats have, aren't you? ^^

[@krautsky]

@@irrelevant_noob I have two at home and ten more in the close neighbourhood. But even cats have their limits. And methinks, an icewall would be it.....

[@irrelevant_noob]

@@krautsky considering it's unlikely to be like a smooth concrete wall and rather more like the bark of a tree, i still bet they would climb it. The decider will probably be if they think there's anything interesting at the top. xD

[@omeshsingh8091]

11:44 - The drawing looks like Mr Potato Head

[@peewee9037]

I’m pretty sure it actually makes a troll

[@Skittlebrau46]

I was going to say he drew a clown… as an homage to his fellow flerfs.

[@CD_Character]

I thought that he was going for a self-portrait.

[@munkensa]

😂😂🎉

[@JosephHowes2003]

I thought it was a clown. A troll makes sense if he's messing with us and doesn't actually believe this.

[@NeptunesLagoon]

Sun come up… Moon go down… world spins round and round … Time for another lesson Grasshopper…. 😮😂

[@NeptunesLagoon]

The stars don’t “ spin”, but the earth does… goo goo quack quack 🦆…? 😮

[@kevinmould6979]

@@NeptunesLagoon Actually they probably do on a cosmic scale.

[@bryanrussell-lowe2065]

I think the face is the paper’s dumbfounded expression at what was just written on it.

[@MattThomson]

At least this guy seems like he could be convinced with a good explanation and some time. Unlike the other grifters who just make up layers of contradictions and fluffy word salad

[@dh8203]

There are tons of resources with explanations of how we know Earth is a sphere written for almost every grade level freely available. You can't convince someone of something they don't want to know. He's a grifter who hasn't learned how to fluff his salad yet.

[@FinalMyle]

@4:26 yeah, he called it in the beginning, he's an idiot. I already know where he's going. smh. This is why Trump won -- again.

[@firetecher]

Not fair!!!!!! He gets to do astrophysics with kindergarten sketches and I had to solve nonlinear differential equations! And Maxwell's too.

[@PeerAdder]

It's how you avoid being indoctrinated with the globe mind virus ... by never bothering to use your mind.

[@slowly-but-eventually]

You are wasting your time! You just have to LOOK and FEEL around you to understand the intrinsic truth of the Universe.

[@mitchellminer9597]

I looked up at the stars every night at the same time for over a year, and I saw the constellations wheel around as the seasons passed. We do see exactly what he says we would see and what he says we don't see. I saw Orion a few nights ago, for the first time in many months. That made me happier than it should have.

[@theflyingdropbear2009]

and to make it even better, here in Australia, if you were to see Orion, the orientation would be completely different, if you were on the Equator, the orientation of Orion would also be different. that ultimately supports a globe Earth, as how would the constellations work on a dirt pizza world? not very well I suspect.