This Popular Plug-in Is A WASTE Of Money

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[@produciamomusica]

"let's save money" proceede to buy Fabfilter Pro-C 2 😂

[@EdwardGuns]

He like: “I mean.. is almost 100 bucks less than the waves one” xppp hahahahah I thought the same

[@listentoty]

“Any compressor” uses a feature almost no compressors have

[@WassupFred]

😂😂

[@moresnqp]

​@@listentoty you can get free compressors with hold

[@AGsosa]

@@EdwardGuns bro I don't know what world you live in but waves plugins are damn near always $30 and if you spend $60 you get another one free

[@stevelast5719]

Can’t imagine anyone has ever paid more than $29 for vocal rider…

[@Skkyyyyyyyyyyy]

They’re literally always on sale lmao. $250???? No chance

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Or any waves plug-in They’re all $29

[@devinliu4356]

I got it for free😂😂😂 Waves is literally limited-timed full price 😅

[@joeyblogsy]

If you’re a millionaire someone probably did out of laziness

[@taisilva5101]

Nooo

[@thesoundmajors9858]

No one has ever paid 250 for a waves plugin 😂

[@JohnnyPbitch]

many paid thousands on waves plugins before this whole $29 thing

[@7evenLandGmoneyManTaliban]

Factz.

[@ELLIOT8209]

Vocal Rider is boss for volume automation. Not compression

[@vulnerable2femboys]

Cuz you definitely can't do volume automation in your DAW without a third party vocal rider.

[@ELLIOT8209]

​@@vulnerable2femboysautomate your cheap sarcasm as well

[@7evenLandGmoneyManTaliban]

@@ELLIOT8209😂😂😂

[@vulnerable2femboys]

​@@ELLIOT8209 I'll take cheap sarcasm over sunk-cost fallacy any day of the week, fam.

[@LonelyStarOfficial]

But a vocal rider is way way way more Harder To Use and a little Bit illogical

[@joellindfors8575]

Although I don't use rider plugins often, I have to say that the comparison is not 100% accurate. Waves Riders have the capability to write automation, which gives you handy automation points in strategic positions to tweak individual words or phrases later on. Can be useful for workflow.

[@TheStudioFreq]

A compressor by definition is simply an automatic volume control. HOWEVER compressors do exactly that, they compress - based on the ratio you select. A 2:1 ratio means if you give the compressor 2 dB it will give you back 1. If you choose 5:1 then it will give you back 1 for every 5 you give it. The rate of audio entering and exiting the compression stage is based on your attack and release times. I mix for television and film. Often when leveling dialogue I have used different methods including clip gain, track level automation and compression. I also regularly use combinations of all three. Before you commit to one solution or the other, take some time and figure out if you are increasing level being sent TO the compressor (pre) or if you are affecting the level after it has left the compressor (post). One will change the character of the sound as the compressor gets hit harder or softer and the other simply adjusts the resulting sound that has already left the compressor. It depends where you are inserting the effect and what sort of track that effect is living on. There are more engineering decisions required than just the info outlines in the video. Since we are mixing to how things sound rather than simply what level they are hitting numerically, a nuance of using a compressor is also using parallel compression. There are lots of videos demonstrating how that works. Some plug-ins offer the capability internally including mix control. Rather than using clip gain or vocal riding for the dialogue I work on I often use RX9 from IZotope using the Leveling module so the dialogue is leveled using my dynamic preferences and the LUFS averages I specify. Then I return it to my DAW and compress for artistic coloration rather than relying on it to limit levels. It’s all about knowing what sound you are wanting to achieve and then using the tools that will successfully bring you there gwhile also giving you the most control at every step along the way

[@lizzybeka1864]

Hey! Thanks for elaborating. I didn't understand everything but at least you didn't just say "this is all bull***" without any explanation. like most other moments.

[@ProAudioIQ]

Hi Lizzy, thanks for your comment. It’s tough to be super clear in comments, but it all comes down to order of operations - it all about what is being asked to change the level and when. It will produce very different results. Understanding this can make a big difference in how your mixes turn out. Especially now that we have to mix to LUFS instead of “peak level” If you want you’re welcome to reach out and I can explain more clearly on a quick call or whatever. I do this frequently for people to help out like a lot of people did for me early in my career.

[@TheStudioFreq]

@@lizzybeka1864 Ooops I'll try this again. I accidentally replied to myself first. 😁 Hi Lizzy, thanks for your comment. It’s tough to be super clear in comments, but it all comes down to order of operations - it all about what is being asked to change the level and when. It will produce very different results. Understanding this can make a big difference in how your mixes turn out. Especially now that we have to mix to LUFS instead of “peak level” If you want you’re welcome to reach out and I can explain more clearly on a quick call or whatever. I do this frequently for people to help out like a lot of people did for me early in my career.

[@TakeHit0]

I always do some clip gain adjustments to even out the track before it hits the compressor. Allows for more compression without big changes in volume that leave nasty artifacts. Another thing you can use is a clipper or some saturation to cut off peaks before compressing.

[@ReLsBurn3r]

@@TheStudioFreq how do we get in contact wit u

[@danidynasty]

I got it for 30 so I’m chillin 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Paraay]

Infact Fruity loops users can make their own vocal rider using peak controllers inverted mode (by linking the vocal's channel fader)

[@LizzMiriBaby]

You don't even have to do that. Patcher literally has a preset called "Vocal Rider".

[@SAIWFY]

Yessiirrr

[@illestvillain1971]

Doesn't FL have a stock compressor? I haven't used it in a year or more and I can't remember if it was external or not what I used. Also clip gain, few ways to go about it. Obviously compression is the best way, before he even began I knew where this was going.

[@juanlugo9240]

​@iLLest Villain there's fruity compressor, multi band compressor, the limiter can used as a compressor, I believe maximus too

[@SaltSpirits]

@@illestvillain1971 Yeah but there’s no point in setting that up when you can go into patcher and click the “vocal rider” preset

[@Wes-10]

Audio compression decreases the difference between loud and quiet sounds across all frequencies, making it more uniform. The Vocal Rider by Waves doesn't change frequency balance. Instead, it keeps the volume consistent, doing what sound engineers have been doing manually for years through fader automations. So, they both adjust volume, but compression also impacts frequency balance, while Vocal Rider automates volume adjustment without affecting frequencies.

[@JordanSchorMusic]

The one thing you missed is that you can record out the automation from the vocal rider and then manually manipulate it from there. Not like a make or break thing but something I don't believe you can do with your pro-c method

[@bixenter]

make volume automation on the bounced track, or after the compression(vocal rider preset) if you don't want to bounce the audio.

[@kahyui2486]

In FL studio there's a free vocal rider plugin. It's in the patcher presets

[@osiris5315]

You could also achieve the same using FL peak controller

[@TheHonestTruth]

Great tip! Thanks

[@thepanicroommastering2062]

What about Transients and Threshold ? i think there is a huge Difference between VRider & a Compressor☝️The best way to do it is to write your Volume Automation manually 👍

[@niklas3686]

Which is quite time consuming tho

[@budaalamalamusic]

Waves always have their plug-ins for 29.99 😂

[@brunobely]

And another $12 or so PER YEAR, PER PLUGIN you have if you want to keep using it when Apple updates macOS. So if you take one of their sales and end up getting 5 plugins, that’s another ~$60 per year just to keep using the things you supposedly “bought”.

[@budaalamalamusic]

It’s call Business you don’t have to update your computer Jaycen Joshua used ozone 4 so you are not obligate to upgrade

[@rileyortman1872]

i thought the whole point of a vocal rider was to even out the signal before it hits a compressor

[@EllisAudio]

it is, dude is wrong

[@Username_Invalid]

Yes!! Thank you

[@JohnnyPbitch]

its supposed to go on at the end of your vocal chain or vocal bus

[@michaelpurdieabbott7743]

Vocal rider and bass rider are great plugins. They make the track more consistent without changing the tone of it. Compressors change the tone of it

[@jorgemartinez42069]

It depends on the compressor and if you know what you're doing with it. There are many "transparent" compressors out there.

[@zacharycbraddy]

Compression isn't a transparent process. "Transparent compressors" generally don't impart much in the way of character, but you can literally hear compression regardless if the compressor is "transparent". That said the process shown *can* be done without compression, but you can literally hear a difference with how he's doing it. Any engineer who has been around, knows that compression isn't a replacement for automation.

[@rome8180]

First of all, Waves Vocal Rider doesn't cost $250. Their plugins are $30. They just pretend they're most expensive so they can have everything constantly be "on sale." I'm sure you know that. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Second of all, no one is saying not to use a compressor if you use a Vocal Rider. You use them TOGETHER. Sure, a compressor controls dynamics to an extent. But no matter how perfectly you have it dialed it, it doesn't catch everything. I don't use a Vocal Rider for mixing sung vocals because I don't feel it's necessary. But I really like it for podcasts. I put it before the compressor so the signal is as even as possible going into the compressor. The compressor is more about catching stray peaks.

[@DylanRotich]

A compressor will impart its tone onto the signal. Vocal Rider is used so that you have a more even vocal *before* hitting the compressor so it doesn't have to work as hard

[@ApexLaneProductions]

Spends an arm and a leg for auto-leveling with an unmolested tone...proceeds to put a VCA compressor next in the chain for the tone of it.

[@DylanRotich]

@@ApexLaneProductions $30 is not an arm and a leg to do automatically what has been done for years in the studio manually with a fader. You're not trying to avoid the tone of the compressor you're ensuring the compressor is being fed a more consistent volume so it doesn't have to compress as aggressively as opposed to without leveling.

[@ApexLaneProductions]

@@DylanRotich Yes, I have heard all the marketing mumbo jumbo.

[@Laserus]

Correct Dylan. Exactly what I use it for and I bought it for 30 bucks, not $250

[@crypticcadencebeats]

@@ApexLaneProductionsit’s not marketing, it’s logic. If u got an extrem dynamic vocal with peaks ofc ur compressor has to work more 🙃 Maybe u r just not on the level to hear compression properly, it’s a thing that takes time and that’s okay. But don’t say something about marketing, that’s bullshit. If ur vocals peaking at -2 and ur threshold is at -10 guess what happens

[@churchlesssociety]

“Hold” let me go get my money back😂

[@davidsais6384]

Everyone hurry! Waves is having a sale and it's only $29.99 right now!! Sale won't be ending so get yours now before it doesn't end!! Bonus, if you buy 2 you get a 3rd plugin free!?!?!

[@TheBawss90]

Hurry up! Only $29.99 for now! Normal price 290$ for the cla-2a!

[@Goat.Herder]

If you've ever spent 250 on a single Waves plugin, you should be banned from buying on the Internet. If you know, you know.

[@pepthelad]

Waves when they see this video: 🫵🤬😡😠🤬😡😠😠🤬🖕🖕🖕🖕‼️‼️‼️

[@checkmatenate]

Lol fuck waves!

[@4brvhvm]

💀

[@Harrysound]

@@checkmatenate yeah awful business model

[@andewprod]

​​@@Harrysound yeah I never bought anything of them but their de-esser and hybrid compressor do sound very good and are very powerful (got them for free). They so have their weak plugins tho (imo) like this new lo-fi plugin or the one -knob series (imo).

[@Harrysound]

@@andewprod I was completely done with them when I had to pay them for a patch and in effect relicense what I bought, if you do a significant update then yeah I’ll pay money for it cause no one works for free but just to get support for a new Apple OS I don’t think so. They seem hell bent on selling those nonsense plugins that let you “mix in abbey road”

[@brokentwinz91]

Vocal rider saves time and its only $30 its always on sale

[@JiiNxMusic]

Waves might put a hit out on you for this😂

[@stillgotyourmom]

still he is wrong! VR actually does automation no compression!

[@Nomasiac]

Bruhh, Waves literally do the cheapest plug ins period. For what u pay for, for Pro C u can buy like 5 Waves plug ins 🤣🤣🤣 he's a mug for thinking Vocal Rider's over $200 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️💀💀💀

[@haydenmolineux5999]

some people dont want a compressed sounding vocal, or to chop up a wav to clip gain every word. also you had the sensitivity set wrong. with a processed vocal sidechain detecting the instrument bus you can have the vocal sit perfectly above the music as it moves through different stages of the song (verse to chorus energy change ect), furthermore, a compressed vocal still has to be automated up as the song moves energies, unless you have extremely static and flat mixes compressed clipped or limited to shit with no dynamic range, in which case, you shouldnt be worrying about any of this stuff yet anyway. Rider plugins are great. especially on vocals and sub bass keeping them pinned where they should be saves time and dynamic range

[@dvlce_music]

THANK YOU! I knew I wasn't crazy for thinking this

[@ViciousButter]

Vocal riders don’t color the sound, where as compressors do.

[@davidsais6384]

You may he crazy for thinking fabfilter is cheaper than vocal rider

[@dvlce_music]

@@davidsais6384 I dont lol its just way more useful for other stuff too. If you get a vocal rider you *also* need a compressor, if you have a compressor with these capabilities then you've saved money.

[@Username_Invalid]

@@ViciousButter yes thank you

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

@@dvlce_musicYes, but then you negate the point of Vocal Rider…simplicity and low cpu. I have Scheps Omni Channel for the fine tuning…but I’d never want to have to throw that on each track that just needs some volume adjustments.

[@kanaddongre7915]

Thank you❤

[@grizzlythief]

Compressors are good for gain reduction, but a single compressor can't add gain only where needed. A compressor would raise gain across your entire spectrum for the whole channel or within your defined envelope only, meaning you'd have to also automate your compressor. Also waves vocal rider is only $40. There real work around is to automate the levels yourself and waves is a great start to identify the problem areas without the hours of hunting through a vocal take.

[@conoroneill7667]

The only way to gain stage is to gain stage.

[@kaelanlucas-marinelli3376]

Thank you

[@steppabanton9753]

vocal rider attenuates the volume without changing the tone and everything else that a compressor does. The wave forms look similar but the compressed one sounds compressed which may not be what you want for a particular track.

[@RomaineRC]

I see all the a lot of industry vets talk about how essential vocal riding was for them before digital compression. I'm guessing it's targeting people who have seen that didn't listen to what the solution was 🤷‍♂️

[@SynthGirl64]

BROOO when you described the product I was thinking "i've been using a compressor for this"

[@gvngbvngiggy]

Vocal control is free

[@benbork9835]

Next thing you say transient shaper is the same as compressor? Vocal rider is a carefully tuned algorythm to which the closest you would get to is using expander + compressor.

[@RamzyMulla]

Thanks

[@kidsonicofficial]

I use Pro C 2 like this and I recommend using the "Vocal" compressor type as this sounds closest to something like Vocal Rider or Outlaw.

[@vincenzocalia6552]

well..the vocal rider is behind the scene just a compressor.. they actually did put a different ui on a compressor. if can hear compression you hear it ..

[@BodyOfPlayMusic]

Vocal rider seemed a bit excessive to me, nice to hear your perspective and solution to this!!!!!!

[@zachary963]

Vocal rider: always “on sale” for $30 bucks This guy: If you have a compressor with a hold function, like this mega-expensive Fabfilter plugin… We: I have never once in my entire life seen a compressor with a hold function, and I have compressors from Waves, Lindel, Softtube, Pulsar, WA Productions, Native Instruments, TC Electronic, Brainworks, Focusrite…

[@MishazBts]

Literally the cubase stock compressor

[@MS-cy5sd]

thx big z 😀

[@Mike-vr7mb]

Problem is it colours the sound and adds extra character you may not want. So if its not what you’re looking for a VR is the best choice I guess

[@Rio-uv1gs]

More videos like this are needed. Saves money

[@isaachagoel7344]

Wait but the compressor only sqaushes the loud parts (unless it also does upwards compression). Also the rider could get the instrumental in and make its decisions based context, no?

[@iainmcguire7190]

Yeah, why is nobody else picking up on this?

[@josephschmizzo1595]

@@iainmcguire7190 i am lol…the vocal rider sounds better and isnt doing what the compressor is doing. Its clickbait.

[@khoasoundman4962]

Tks

[@smeterpith7840]

I've used Fabfilter C compresser in every project since watching you use it. It's superb

[@bigboss-qv7pe]

fabfilter creates such good plugins I'd call them stock for every DAW lol

[@benkearsey]

“dry vocal” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@triplebeam23]

I like to use a mixture of automation compression and vocal rider .. alittle bit of each

[@taiyabkamaal681]

Thanks! Gr8!

[@eklectrikmusic]

You use a compressor as well. Compression colors the sound of the recording. If you are just using compression, and not riding/automating the VCA, you are having to squash the sound, with a compressor.

[@iamtheashtro]

I love vocal rider especially for podcast 🐱

[@4udioFour]

True but i havent seen many compressors with that function & vocal rider preserves dynamics unlike most compressors. Plus i paid max $50 for it or less i forget if it was on sale

[@lackofaffektmusic]

This is actually one of my favourite tips from your channel.. i'll sure as hell remember this! 👏

[@stewartbeckman7909]

It works great for both recording and live performances. And it's always just $29

[@soun.slayerTTV]

IN FL STUDIO: OPEN PATCHER ON AUDIO WITH NO OTHER EFFECTS: PRESETS VOCAL RIDER HIGHLIGHT AUDIO ON PLAYLIST CONSOLIDATE PLAYLIST SELECTION WAV........ BUTTER

[@ronson795]

Interesting topic. I'm not a friend of those rider plugins either but normally there should be an audible difference in sound (even if the waveforms look similar) because the compressor affects the envelope and the riding plugins don't. If this difference makes a big difference is another thing... Great content nevertheless!

[@thiago_stories]

I would mention that, the dynamics can be similar but it may sound more compressed than the vocal rider. But it is still a great video! 👍

[@Batmonthesequel]

Vocal rider never costs 250. Just get it for 29 on alternating months. It’s still different, too. If you want a “more affordable” version of rider, then ride the fader

[@mikaelholmstrom2513]

I never buy waves plug-ins unless they have what I need for 29 dollars. Vocal rider seems to be ok for 29 dollars on sale, and fab filter compressor is way more then 29 dollars due to fab filter never has sales.

[@unclemick-synths]

I have both so I'll try my own comparison.

[@rossco78]

When the frick have you ever seen Waves actually sell Vocal Rider for the “full price”? Flipping NEVER! It’s ALWAYS $29.99…. BUT, still a great tip about using a compressor to do the same job 👍🏻

[@schnuus2006]

Yeah the thing is that Vocal Rider only costs 49$ lol

[@josephschmizzo1595]

Right lol and the Fabfilter Compressor is like $200

[@calebcomrie7984]

@@josephschmizzo1595 yeah but most daws come with some sort of compresser, and there are plenty of free ones

[@josephschmizzo1595]

@@calebcomrie7984 sure but they arent gna be as good as Pro C, nor will they have a hold function.

[@RhythmWalkerKS]

FL Studio has a free vocal rider Patcher preset in the mixer, made by YouLean.

[@rolandozzzgogo7179]

Those wavs forms can be manipulated. Thin wavs don’t always mean low vocals. Always go buy the db meter not the wav form

[@yatrished4397]

Compressor : Hold my hold.✊ 249$ Vocal 🏇: 🥹🥹🥹

[@Tiak85]

hold my hold haha nice man XD

[@quintendh4486]

“A compressor” you couldn’t be more wrong

[@stefandaniel14]

This is pure gold

[@idanbigel]

You’re so wrong man sorry, compressors doesn’t sound like volume. Those are very 2 separate things.

[@shovenmusic]

Yoo, I used to use a vocal rider to balance vocals but I was disappointed cause it doesn't even work that well, later I decided to just use compression n that was perfect & lit 🔥🔥

[@pussycat9891]

Pirates be like.

[@alessandrobonomi7830]

Big Z coming up BIG

[@krampellidj]

This is gold thank you!!!

[@negvey]

Thanks for this awesome pro tip

[@mynameisjeff9124]

As a programmer I have to say that 250$ is ridiculous. I could program something like that in a week and maybe I will. 250 bucks… they are crazy. That’s more like 10$.

[@wale.a]

Whoa! I just saw another video yesterday on TikTok of a guy who posted about a free plugin that produces the same results as Oxford Inflator and he also compared the bounced files. Seems like creators are coming for all these expensive plugins all of a sudden lol.

[@JiiNxMusic]

Waz da link

[@bombaclitt]

Link please bro

[@JoeySokol]

I found an “Inflator” effect out there that is spot on using a combination of free Melda plugins. It works great!

[@kylehollow]

Let’s not forget you can manually automate vocal rider making it a great plugin before a compressor to help with peaks and dynamics, but each of their own and all that

[@MrBlackChannel]

I don't waste money on plugins, I crack them

[@Tiak85]

Thx man, the money I saved I give it to you....someday if I had enough of it ;)

[@nebstaism]

Never new that thanks ... I’ll have to try this

[@geroiavin8199]

not all compressors have HOLD button on them. iam still using vocal rider before i hit compression

[@edbrecords6973]

no bro, a compressor works sometimes on transients, a vocal rider is an automatic gain automation

[@Username_Invalid]

Yes agreed. They are meant to work together but sometimes his stuff is click bait.

[@evolvingevrday]

Scammers will always find a way... It's kind of sad actually. Maybe holding a true artist from reaching full potential by throwing away all their money on stupid stuff

[@brucemillar]

Cheers! Nice one! Now let’s add Unison chord packs….. etc 😃👍

[@SpectacleMusic]

Wait wait drum rollllll the fab compressor is in the 200 dollar range hahahaha

[@rotikl1359]

I sail the ocean brother. Everything is free out there

[@simondanielssonmusic]

Compressors and vocal rider are not the same thing. A vocal rider is designed to automate volume transparently - a compressor can't do that whatsoever.

[@khalilroukoz]

Lmao dude this thing is like 30 bucks, but holy cow ive always ignored that hold button, thanks for sharing, awesome trick🙌!

[@joseignasias8397]

1. I can see a difference in the waveform. 2. The plugin cost 29,99. 3. I don't have a compressor with hold function.

[@chucknkd]

waves MV2 is killer at the leveling

[@Batmonthesequel]

+1 for MV2

[@yhuan4386]

FL can replicate this for free with peak controller and fruity balance. Pretty neat

[@Username_Invalid]

FlStudio can create and automation clip of the audio clip and you can link that to the volume. Great for before compression so it doesn’t work to hard. FL gang for life.

[@kainowsound]

My man is giving the HACKS

[@gvue4396]

There's always some new tech plug in every year

[@ephjaymusic]

*WAVES has left the chat*

[@WassupFred]

😂😂😂

[@chriswuzhere91]

Yes but what if it's taking me years to learn how to properly use a compressor? Lol

[@Studio_4to1]

This should be taught on a daily basis. But it shoukd be mentioned that DAW’s stock options are really best suited for this, since they won’t be a ressource hog.

[@ezrabrownstein3237]

Exceppppt with Vocal Rider you can send an instrumental mix of your track to a bus and then route that bus into the vocal Rider and then the plugin can ride the vocal based on the level of the music. That's useful, although you can make that yourself.

[@WahPopWah]

The speed and convenience of WVR - seemingly permanently on offer at a much lower price than described here - removed one more laborious manual adjustment from the mix/master phase. I too was really annoyed by the recent Waves 'subscription only' notification -now retracted - and am looking for an alternative. I'd like automation but if this is the best option I'll have to get back to tweaking.

[@hunnymaddix1950]

💎

[@zetamale]

I've never rated vocal rider, but I do rate your compression tip... nice one!

[@Iamwillyjackson]

🔥

[@MeyzaMusic]

Legend

[@marvin1574]

Youre the man! Thanks