This Prototype AIO works without Pump and is Amazingly Quiet

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@xKB616
@xKB616 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for releasing EN videos, Roman!
@der8auer-en
@der8auer-en 9 ай бұрын
thanks for watching them :)
@StephieCopper1985
@StephieCopper1985 9 ай бұрын
Me too. Thank you.
@T.Lspitz
@T.Lspitz 9 ай бұрын
​@@der8auer-en same here. I dont think it is stated enough, but I am very grateful that you take the time to make videos in English as well. Twice the amount of effort should not go unnoticed. Much appreciated! My cat Mauser says hello to his favorite KZbin feline friend. He's jealous of all that open desk space to lay on.
@cazschiller
@cazschiller 9 ай бұрын
​@@der8auer-en how did that ai voiceover language app go? Good but not ready yet? Maybe Paul did it but I thought u tried it too so you didn't have to record the videos twice
@ralieghwhite9076
@ralieghwhite9076 9 ай бұрын
This! Thank you!
@PyromancerRift
@PyromancerRift 9 ай бұрын
I'm interrested by this. No pump = no failure and no noise. This is why i got an air cooler right now.
@googleaccountuser3116
@googleaccountuser3116 9 ай бұрын
I just got a massive cooling block, no air or water needed. Just a soft air flow from the case fans and dust blocking fabric over the inlets. Much less power consumption this way. I already have a radiator in my room, no need for an additional dust capturing one. These fans only draw power and dust into our machines and now this genius is telling us we should ad some water to the mix. His pc is running at 40°C doing nothing while mine does 30°C at room temp. 40°C would be 100% cpu at my end.
@MD.20.20
@MD.20.20 9 ай бұрын
no chance your pc is 40c at 100% for more than a few seconds unless the tdp is locked to like 50w and/or sitting outside in Siberia@@googleaccountuser3116
@basshead.
@basshead. 9 ай бұрын
it can still leak tho
@ivanloke2847
@ivanloke2847 9 ай бұрын
111q+aa Q1😊qqa​@@googleaccountuser3116
@redhel
@redhel 9 ай бұрын
@@googleaccountuser3116there's no way you're getting 10 degree lower idle than a water cooled pc with a passive block (???) of metal
@AstrayPlays
@AstrayPlays 9 ай бұрын
Asetek: "We have a bunch of the patents for pump on block cooling solutions so we're gonna need you to pay a licence fee right meow!" Wieland: "All right then, keep your pump secrets" *pumpless straw sucking pumping (no)noises* I actually really like how plain it looks tbh, the prototype is giving me industrial design vibes and it's probably something that would look at home in a server chassis, I wouldn't mind also seeing the mounting screws be flush with the surface.
@alexatkin
@alexatkin 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely. I'm running a 14700k in my NAS/Server on a stock cooler (mad I know, but it was the number of cores I wanted rather than the boost speed and it was a straight swap from a 12400). It can fit a 240mm AIO, but I'm nervous about running an AIO 24/7. Something like this is more appealing as it should be more reliable than a pump.
@soaphelps
@soaphelps 9 ай бұрын
Asetek: "pay us meow!" Wieland: "i drink your milkshake!"
@rogerj412
@rogerj412 9 ай бұрын
Asetek and pump secrets are oxymoron's.
@alpha007org
@alpha007org 9 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of RGBs, and I would be happy to have this industrial look in my case.
@BobHannent
@BobHannent 9 ай бұрын
There's someone likely with a patent on thermosiphon, but then I'd love to see the counter claim and prior art defense. As someone who does patent tech, the whole field is weird.
@Lishtenbird
@Lishtenbird 9 ай бұрын
Asetek in shambles.
@sirmonkey1985
@sirmonkey1985 9 ай бұрын
They have been for a while once companies like arctic cooling, deepcool, and ek finally got around their patents.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 9 ай бұрын
GOOD
@retrofitter
@retrofitter 9 ай бұрын
The block is aluminium probably to stop galvanic corrosion. The radiator appears to be a microchannel design used in automotive air-conditioning that can withstand high pressures of up to ~450PSI. The cooling tubes are not open but are bridged internally to hold pressure and to aid in exchanging heat from the fluid to the surface of the tubes.
@Marcos-ee7nt
@Marcos-ee7nt 9 ай бұрын
If let's say they are using something that isn't water like 3m novec, would galvanic corrosion still be a problem?
@Psyden5757
@Psyden5757 9 ай бұрын
​@@Marcos-ee7nt It depends on what's used, either case they could also maybe plate the copper block with aluminum to prevent that without a change in liquid formula i guess
@techwolflupindo
@techwolflupindo 9 ай бұрын
Only if the rad is aluminum. I learned the hard way with an AIO that had copper block and aluminum rad. Ended up using a custom setup with copper block and rad.
@krykry606
@krykry606 9 ай бұрын
That's insightful, have a like kind sir.
@Manysdugjohn
@Manysdugjohn 9 ай бұрын
you can nickel plate it!
@RicciChoi1109
@RicciChoi1109 9 ай бұрын
This product looks promising and I hope it would be launched successfully like the IceGiant
@SpoiledBadgerMilk
@SpoiledBadgerMilk 9 ай бұрын
I wish ice giant would release a unit designed for am5 and Intel, respectively. For their consumer side cpu's. Currently ice giant's offerings are designed for amd and intel server cpu's. So they don't function right. When used on consumer cpu's. I really wanted one for my build. I was disappointed when I saw the reviews.
@Akkbar21
@Akkbar21 9 ай бұрын
I was strongly planing on buying that product for my latest build, but the reviews scared me off that. Didn’t seem to have the extra cooling ability I was hoping for without the point of failure of a 360mm AIO.
@ShrekLaBeouf
@ShrekLaBeouf 9 ай бұрын
I hope this will become the new standard. Not having a high pitch noise is obviously a big deal but in my opinion what really sells the idea is that it essentially combines the biggest benefits of both current AIO models (easy to fit in cases that have no space for a giant cube) and air coolers (no pump to fail on you).
@pawcisq
@pawcisq 9 ай бұрын
what do you mean nothing matters on the prototype! everything matters! IT IS GORGEOUS!
@Lishtenbird
@Lishtenbird 9 ай бұрын
This could definitely look great in an industrial mech build as is, yes! (I do agree that the market for this is way smaller than for a discreet sleek black one, but it's still cool in its own right.)
@ashliehiggins
@ashliehiggins 9 ай бұрын
Pretty much as it looks just like an oil cooler from a car.
@1kreature
@1kreature 9 ай бұрын
Best part is NO RGB! I love it!
@ssc00p
@ssc00p 9 ай бұрын
@@1kreature RGB cools the extra 10c cause it is so cool 🌈
@Hito343
@Hito343 9 ай бұрын
Very impressive, if these get noticeably better than dual tower air coolers then I am switching. Great video
@xapientiae
@xapientiae 9 ай бұрын
Things that I would like to see for further testing with this AIO, if possible, would be how it performs: 1. with those radiator gaps filled 2. with pipes straight and as additional tests, that would be worth knowing for SFF: 1. with radiator mounted on the side (so maybe more convection in the radiator itself?) 2. on direct die (edit: whoops I forgot that it's aluminium) I know that this all would be very time-consuming, and thus these are only suggestions of (maybe) interesting tests, seeing any of them would be equally interesing.
@bublikp
@bublikp 9 ай бұрын
"2. on direct die with liquid metal" - on aluminium block? That would be fun to watch))
@quentinduch1625
@quentinduch1625 9 ай бұрын
Regarding direct die with liquid metal, it's probably not a good idea as the coldplate seems to be aluminium, and aluminium is highly soluble in gallium.
@IcecalGamer
@IcecalGamer 9 ай бұрын
Liquid metal + Al cold plate 🤔
@wille84fin
@wille84fin 9 ай бұрын
Would be cool to see this with clear pipes to see what is actually going on. How the liquid moves around and so on. Interesting idea, maybe not practical for me personally at +250W load (12900K) but interesting and useful to someone else i'm sure.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 9 ай бұрын
You know what. Given the liquid metal suggestion is now dead, how about indium soldering it directly to the CPU core instead, if you want to test something in this vein?
@danytoob
@danytoob 9 ай бұрын
Most fascinating. For a 1st go at it they might be on to something ... for sure room for improvement! Thanks for the look-see ... we can always depend on Roman for the "off the beaten path" items.
@edgarkondrakov9834
@edgarkondrakov9834 9 ай бұрын
I would love to see diy fan foam or tape mod to see if escaped air makes a difference.
@The_Noticer.
@The_Noticer. 9 ай бұрын
Or just turn it into a pull configuration...
@matheusdesouza565
@matheusdesouza565 9 ай бұрын
@@The_Noticer. Static pressure also helps on cooling, so the tape mod should perform better
@Xfade81
@Xfade81 9 ай бұрын
@@The_Noticer.If you look at 5:25 you will notice the same problem exists on the other side, so that would also have wasted air.
@christophervanzetta
@christophervanzetta 9 ай бұрын
@@matheusdesouza565static pressure always causes recycling the hot air in the case as per my experience and how automotive cooling is designed
@w0nd3rlu573r
@w0nd3rlu573r 9 ай бұрын
I feel, since this is about a prototype, this was one of the missing points in the video. Perhaps der8auer didn't had the free time.
@tropiq
@tropiq 9 ай бұрын
during the flir segment its more clear by looking at the tubes which one is hotter, very intriguing stuff, copper block and improved fan mount could potentially close the gap with the aio, also no pump means no patent trolls can bury you with legal stuff *coughasetekcough*
@TechModProjects
@TechModProjects 9 ай бұрын
I would take the 8 degree worse performance for the sake of not having a point of failure such as a pump in my system. As you said, "Impressive"
@Elvewizzy.
@Elvewizzy. 9 ай бұрын
It'll likely be a hell of a lot cheaper than current AiO's due to far less plastic components, PCB's, pumps, software integration ETC.
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 ай бұрын
8 degrees less is basically a air cooler
@milescarter7803
@milescarter7803 9 ай бұрын
Even more impressive would be to scale it up (like the Ice Giant), so it would be capable of 300-400w of heat dissipation. 280mm or 360mm and perhaps larger tubing?
@milescarter7803
@milescarter7803 9 ай бұрын
Even more impressive would be to scale it up (like the Ice Giant), so it would be capable of 300-400w of heat dissipation. 280mm or 360mm and perhaps larger tubing?
@TechModProjects
@TechModProjects 9 ай бұрын
@@milescarter7803 I like your thinking 👍
@ShadowSingularity88
@ShadowSingularity88 9 ай бұрын
Never really wanted to use AIO because of the pump noises, pretty sure i am not the only one, this is definitely interesting indeed, and as you mentioned still a lot of headroom to increase temperatures, will be keeping an eye on this :) Would definitely prefer a 280 version.
@fepethepenguin8287
@fepethepenguin8287 9 ай бұрын
The artic liquid freezer 2 i had, was more quiet than any case fan The radiator fans rarely even spool And pump was silent The NZXT aio, pump is not loud, but the radiator fans love to spin up all the time. The Artic was actually cooler as well
@_BangDroid_
@_BangDroid_ 9 ай бұрын
@@fepethepenguin8287 Yeah I heard people saying all that years ago when I tried water. Bought one, still made audible churning/trickling sounds so returned it
@Apollo-Computers
@Apollo-Computers 9 ай бұрын
I don't know why people think a pump is so loud. A single fan will make more audible noise........
@fepethepenguin8287
@fepethepenguin8287 9 ай бұрын
@@Apollo-Computers on most AIOs , yes, the pump is one of the more quiet parts. A few brands have noisy pumps. And a few high power custom loop pumps as well. I feel the same, I don't think these people have used one, and are going on assumptions
@JJFX-
@JJFX- 9 ай бұрын
I know some AIO's can be oddly loud but IME the pump is the last thing I'm worried about hearing. this is a cool benefit but never having to worry about pump failure is far more interesting to me.
@TheTodd24
@TheTodd24 9 ай бұрын
This has potential. Thanks Roman.
@nocturneuh
@nocturneuh 9 ай бұрын
Der8auer's content is always world class! Thank you 🙏
@blackbirdpctech
@blackbirdpctech 9 ай бұрын
Really appreciate this channel … unlike some of the larger tech KZbin channels that have clowns giving advice, Roman actually knows what he’s talking about. This AIO is a fantastic future option. One suggestion for improving the thermals of this system is to add some cooling fins on top of the cold plate and adding a small fan. Great concept.
@uss-dh7909
@uss-dh7909 9 ай бұрын
Was hoping someone would notice that too, big missed opportunity for some fins and maybe an optional downfiring fan like what artic has gone on with their AIOs.
@katzicael
@katzicael 9 ай бұрын
Oooo I hope these really do come to market - nothing annoys me more than AIO pump whine.
@Lishtenbird
@Lishtenbird 9 ай бұрын
Tons of people always argue how AIOs are absolutely required for silent builds, and yet here I see one complaint about pump noise after another. Curious indeed.
@wadez1000
@wadez1000 9 ай бұрын
And when the pump fails, that is were the fun begings
@SkinUpMonkey
@SkinUpMonkey 9 ай бұрын
@@Lishtenbird If I had to guess the people complaining just slap in there and call it a day.
@marcm.
@marcm. 9 ай бұрын
​@SkinUpMonkey The pump whine is actually very noticeable under certain circumstances. They are more silent though than vacuum cleaner level of noise coming from fans trying to deal with all the heat. But they are absolutely not silent. Try sleeping with one of those in the same room as you while it's doing some type of work
@SkinUpMonkey
@SkinUpMonkey 9 ай бұрын
@@marcm. Did you know you can change the rpm of the pump which then makes less noise without hurting the performance much like 1c at worse. I got custom setup but run the pump at a lower rpm when the pc is not doing much then bring the speed up inline with the fans which is based off the water temp.
@sebmendez8248
@sebmendez8248 9 ай бұрын
would be an awesome product for micro builds since no wasted space on pump or tower for cpu, plus micro builds aren't usually the most energy hungry.
@lynxg4641
@lynxg4641 9 ай бұрын
Always great that you're always looking at new, interesting things instead of just the same old, same old, think that the companies benefit greatly from your testing and feedback. Have to say though of course having an extra 33% more water and radiator to flow through, of course it'll help and absorb some heat, of course it will be different from a 240 AIO. Would be curious to see it compared to a real 240 AIO.
@hollywoodmeow
@hollywoodmeow 9 ай бұрын
fascinating proof of concept product. i hope they continue to iterate on it.
@Kirainne
@Kirainne 9 ай бұрын
Great video. Really informative and I'm looking forward to the potential future of pumpless long-service life AIOs!
@JJFX-
@JJFX- 9 ай бұрын
I would have liked to see you test it in a pull configuration to reduce the impact of that bottom gap and in different orientations. My main concerns are how difficult it would be to refill and if it can still perform mounted on its side. Not having a pump is great but every AIO I've owned permeated fluid long before I was ever concerned about the pump failing. Pump noise has been a negligible concern for me but I'm aware some AIOs are surprisingly loud. Very impressive prototype overall. With a copper coldplate, improved fan mounting and no paint on those fins, this could get interesting if the price is reasonable. A thicker radiator would also help to make this standout.
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc 9 ай бұрын
What if Roman re-positions chassis so that CPU block lie horizontally and flip the "hot side" upward so that gravity help pull down liquid phase if there is any.
@milescarter7803
@milescarter7803 9 ай бұрын
Old cars used to have siphon cooling, and yes tall radiators.
@TechyBen
@TechyBen 9 ай бұрын
Lol, I might 100% get this if it's released uk/eu. A water cooling convenience of moving the "radiator" with the simplicity of a heat pipe "air cooler". I'm so for this!
@baks567
@baks567 9 ай бұрын
Why are you want "new" staff with x5 price to Air cooler with the same effectivity?
@sovereigntyofvoyagers7380
@sovereigntyofvoyagers7380 9 ай бұрын
​@@baks567 because it looks cool
@NinjAsylum
@NinjAsylum 9 ай бұрын
8:30 that is done for noise. We do the exact same thing with regular radiators. It reduces air noise.
@watercannonscollaboration2281
@watercannonscollaboration2281 9 ай бұрын
As an AIO person (either for ITX size-constraint reasons or just ease-of-installation/transport), this is really cool to see how we are ever so closer to pump-less AIOs
@Hybris51129
@Hybris51129 9 ай бұрын
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
@Even-Steven
@Even-Steven 9 ай бұрын
This is pretty cool. Not having to deal with a pump is a huge bonus. If it performs decently I would consider it for a build...
@draakevil
@draakevil 9 ай бұрын
It makes sense that the prototype is made from aluminum and not copper. It's easier and cheaper to manufacture. But the final product has to be plated copper for the heatsink and copper for the radiator to have any chance in the current market.
@kevinforbes8234
@kevinforbes8234 9 ай бұрын
i really like the idea of no pump, less noise, can't wait to see that product on the market one day
@mrtuk4282
@mrtuk4282 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting, I like this mainly because of the no worries about a pump failure due to no pump. Making a better seal around the fans so that they are working at optimal efficiency will reduce temps also.
@tarfeef_4268
@tarfeef_4268 9 ай бұрын
Super cool product. Hope you get to follow it as it improves, and it does make it to mass market
@priyoyus
@priyoyus 9 ай бұрын
I'm liking the 'industrial look' design.. emanating toughness aura
@v5000a
@v5000a 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if the coolant is non-conducting too. That would be a big plus for me and could make me consider this one over an air cooler.
@pbe6965
@pbe6965 9 ай бұрын
If it's a solvent, it might damage the hardware in other ways in case of a leak. Automotive coolant is non conductive by the way, I had quite a lot of it leaking in my build and my machine still ran fine until I saw the spill on the floor (and tbh the smell became noticeable too). I never tried the cheap stuff, but any branded coolant is supposed to be "anti corrosion" and I believe they achieve it by being non conductive as to limit galvanic corrosion in an engine cooling loop where different metals mix. I cleaned it, replaced the cpu WB that was leaking, and it's like it never happened.
@MarktheRude
@MarktheRude 9 ай бұрын
I'm loving it. The water pump being an additional point of failure is the primary reason I don't run watercooling anymore.
@rustler08
@rustler08 9 ай бұрын
Because you totally can't just run two pumps.
@DigitalJedi
@DigitalJedi 9 ай бұрын
​@@rustler08Not with the convenience of an AIO or air cooler you can't.
@jimbodabimbo1483
@jimbodabimbo1483 9 ай бұрын
Man...whys its always gotta be Wieland-Yutani Corporation at the heart of stuff like this. Maybe one day Bishop will learn his lesson... ( 😉 )
@Fronkomania1972
@Fronkomania1972 9 ай бұрын
Well, the final Product may be released as "Casehugger! ;D
@Jules_Diplopia
@Jules_Diplopia 9 ай бұрын
That is impressive. Price would be the question? Other question that I would have is, does the heat plate over the CPU need to be warm... i.e. would extra fans inside the case blowing air over that area, actually make it worse/better/have no effect. Really interesting product.
@_BangDroid_
@_BangDroid_ 9 ай бұрын
This is very interesting! I looked into Wieland-Werke AG and they are indeed enormous! I was thinking that maybe this cooler might bump their stock, but they're so big this thing will have no impact even if it beats AIO's eventually.
@v3xx3r
@v3xx3r 9 ай бұрын
I love the industrial look and the red on white color is unique.
@mini-pouce
@mini-pouce 9 ай бұрын
Good news to see this type of cooler for consumer PC, and quite amazed by performance, it is holding a 7950X. It's probably a single phase thermosiphon, easier to engineer and less sensible to placement (you could do front monting too). For the tube going donward it is not a problem since it is driven by density difference at hot point versus cold point, if it is enougth to moove against gravity then it is allright (just dont give it too much head loss ofc, same for pumps). Phase change seems more promising for permormance, thus it depend on the fluid I gess, but also less quiet so if it work as single phase that's fine for me.
@vailpcs4040
@vailpcs4040 9 ай бұрын
My guess is that this is a dual phase design based on the single pass radiator. With a single phase, I'm pretty sure you could use a dual pass radiator, but a thermal scan of the radiator in use would likely confirm.
@herrakaarme
@herrakaarme 9 ай бұрын
I have used AIO coolers for over a decade, and I most certainly would be interested in a pumpless one like this. If it's Made in Germany, I reckon it wouldn't be the cheapest option, but if there's no need to worry about a pump dying and especially pump noise, it could be worth a little bit of extra price.
@OTechnology
@OTechnology 9 ай бұрын
I'm curious if it would perform better with the block flipped since the bottom tube is hotter.
@Zenefor
@Zenefor 9 ай бұрын
i think this silence aio uses valves or flaps that create pressure from warm water that close and open when heat cycling, force pushing each other against a loop. (My speculation, but I also think that the silenced aio might creaate a void of air on cold water side that might push it downward for cycling)
@OfficialMageHD
@OfficialMageHD 9 ай бұрын
For a moment I thought this was going to be a new version of that phase change AIO you made before
@markusvuori
@markusvuori 9 ай бұрын
Cool to see you featured on their website page for this.
@Duvoncho
@Duvoncho 9 ай бұрын
Very interested in this! Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Definitely one to keep a close eye on. 👍
@ravenfeeder1892
@ravenfeeder1892 9 ай бұрын
Interesting. The lack of noise as well as potential longevity compared to water AIO's is really appealing.
@killer01ws6
@killer01ws6 9 ай бұрын
This is quite interesting, thanks for sharing it. I hope it makes it to production.
@dwahnaslowdown8887
@dwahnaslowdown8887 9 ай бұрын
It seems odd that the right side hose (from the lower port) is the warmer one. I would expect the coldplate to be oriented such that the upper hose is the hot exit and lower is the cool inlet. Flow would be assisted by gravity and the slight density differences between hot/cold liquid.
@mannyc19
@mannyc19 9 ай бұрын
I would pay 150 for that 240mm model , right now ! I need 2 , the lack of noise for my ITX builds is a dream come true !!
@Blob83
@Blob83 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting exploring and testing this prototype ! Keep going
@Damianhardman
@Damianhardman 9 ай бұрын
Really exciting product development for people wanting quiet PCs. @derbauer EN: 2 suggestions. 1) Put the fans on the other side of the radiator, it looked like there was a much smaller gap between where the fans would mount (although that maybe down to the video angles). 2) No clue how the cold plate is setup, but I would of expected the hot coolant to of exited out of the higher tube (out of the cold plate) not the bottom. I wonder if putting the cold plate the other way round (so Wieland is upside down), would provide slightly better results.
@D.u.d.e.r
@D.u.d.e.r 9 ай бұрын
Very cool product, thx 4 highlighting it!
@stancartmankenny
@stancartmankenny 9 ай бұрын
A way to fix the gap problem mentioned at 8:30 would be to make it a pull configuration, e.g., put the fans above the radiator instead of below. That should be an easy quick test to see if it makes a difference.
@fusrodahize
@fusrodahize 9 ай бұрын
I like the look of this prototype! Hope it comes to the market one day.
@twinjuke
@twinjuke 9 ай бұрын
Hey, great review again. Question: doesn't it help if you place the radiator at the front panel vertically to give the temperature difference a help?
@silkysoftaus
@silkysoftaus 9 ай бұрын
It has standard mounting holes on the otherside right? Just mount the fans on the other side, gap looks way smaller.
@prodeous
@prodeous 9 ай бұрын
This is cool. Guessing it has to be in certain orientation. As in radiator at top. You mentioned air flowing from the sides, anyway to add paper baffles in the gaps to reroute and retest?
@NEKRWSPHERE
@NEKRWSPHERE 9 ай бұрын
Skips 9 minutes ahead, watches.... No thanks... I'll stick to my pump.
@AlphaMachina
@AlphaMachina 9 ай бұрын
I'd like to see if this can close that cooling gap by taping off those open sides on the radiator.
@robertlawrence9000
@robertlawrence9000 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting! Thanks for showing us!
@Qyngali
@Qyngali 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if flipping the cold plate vertically would change anything. Looks like it would avoid the low point of the tube on the left side? Also, blocking off the gaps between the fans and the radiator would be interesting.
@SinsiCHD
@SinsiCHD 9 ай бұрын
Can you mount the cold plate top side down? The way you mounted it, hotter pipe was coming from the bottom of cold plate, if you mount it upside down, hot pipe will be at top of cold plate and may serve to get a better circulation if there are one way valves inside?
@spankeyfish
@spankeyfish 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if it would perform better if you shortened the top hose so that it only slopes upwards towards the rad. Thermosiphons are gravity powered so they're sensitive to the position of everything in the loop.
@radn0x
@radn0x 9 ай бұрын
Very cool product, thanks for sharing !
@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt
@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt 9 ай бұрын
Love this product! I even really like the red and white colour scheme. I wonder if you can 'beef it up' to make it better? Obviously the fans can be improved like you said but I wonder if you made it twice as big would that improve things significantly or is that not how these kind of thermal siphon work?
@DrMuFFinMan
@DrMuFFinMan 9 ай бұрын
Would love to see more of something like this come to market. Less points of failure and with more tweaking like distance between fan and radiator and you'd have a pretty good cooler. Do wonder what the trade off or limit would be for something like this in the future.
@ronny332
@ronny332 9 ай бұрын
Interesting product, very well presented, as usual. Thank you! 🙂
@Macazian
@Macazian 8 ай бұрын
For the "No Maintenance" clause. Does the internal liquid ever need to be drained, radiator cleaned out and refilled. After a few years with any type of gunk build-up?
@ABFox
@ABFox 9 ай бұрын
Cost and lack of maintenance sound debatable. Is there any extra manufacturing costs associated with the fluid used and pressure (or lack thereof)? If it relies on the pressure and a fluid other than water, will it break down or lose effectiveness over time? I'd like to see at least the longevity question answered before I'm ready to decide.
@Barrett_Fodder
@Barrett_Fodder 9 ай бұрын
Great review as always. Could you use some strip of foam or rubber to cap off the airflow lost on the ends then remount the fans? If you could do that for an additional test and then raise the output side line to see if it affects the temperatures on back to back runs that could be insightful. I'm also curious what an automatic fan curve or much higher fan speed would do. Would it actually lower temps or have you already reached the thermal conductivity of the aluminum plate and fluid. Curious minds want to know! Cheers,
@L0wPull
@L0wPull 9 ай бұрын
Awesome, great content 🙌
@kelownatechkid
@kelownatechkid 9 ай бұрын
Really interesting. thanks for covering this!
@PoRRasturvaT
@PoRRasturvaT 9 ай бұрын
Could you run a quick test by filling/blocking those holes on the side? Just a matter of verifying the block potential instead of that overlooked part of the radiator design.
@infango
@infango 9 ай бұрын
I wonder how would it work with 3M Novec 649 as cooling component ? ( maybe Ethanol or Acetone )
@Phos9
@Phos9 9 ай бұрын
If it’s using convection to move the fluid I can’t help but wonder if larger tubes would allow more flow, or if it makes very little difference and all that matters is the temperature differential
@SaperPl1
@SaperPl1 9 ай бұрын
Can you perhaps do a 3d printed funnel to increase pressure where the gap between fan and radiator is? Or use those noctua pieces and just stuck them inbetween? Also could you try to put left pipe/hose the way it doesn't sag? or put the whole thing higher so those don't sag?
@glebglub
@glebglub 9 ай бұрын
I was thinking putting the fan on the top, at least for an experiment- seems the gap is smaller there but that could be a trick of the camera. an entire funnel might not be necessary though, just a shroud (or even a thick wad of plastecine, but since it's a prototype no doubt they want it back and this could prove problematic). maybe even just duct tape would work lol. weird that it's painted white though - it may be a minal impact w.r.t. black body radiation causing a feedback-loop in a closed case (especially since it can't be mounted externally), but the layer of paint will mitigate some efficiency from the fins. but again, they probably want the prototype back, so removing it manually isn't an option here
@piast99
@piast99 9 ай бұрын
If that is a thermo-syphon then shouldn't the radiator be placed vertically so the cold liquid goes down? The pressure difference and flow rate would be much bigger, wouldn't it?
@KelleyStrzelczyk
@KelleyStrzelczyk 9 ай бұрын
Maybe those brass fitting are for more choice. If you want both one either end. I wonder if you can hook up the gpu to those other fittings.
@Powertampa
@Powertampa 9 ай бұрын
I had a Swiftech AiO a while back, yeah I know, but it eventually had a pump failure as they tend to do. Thing is, I didn't notice until I really pushed it with rendering. Playing games and doing other productivity things it was still fine. Granted the pump could still have moved a bit of water around, but opening it up the shaft was well and truly broken off eventually. So it doesn't surprise me that a passive solution for water cooling would actually work if carefully designed. Certainly for most people that don't run games that use all of the cpu this would be a good option. With some refinement it could very well be a viable product for the middle of the road systems with overall lower TDPs, like your i5's and stuff. Good to see some actual movement on this stuff as well, feels like hardware innovation kind of stagnated the last couple years.
@joypops1
@joypops1 9 ай бұрын
Please let this take off and go mainstream, I am very interested in this segment of cooler.
@ShaneHerald
@ShaneHerald 9 ай бұрын
wow thats pretty dope!!! ...nice vid thanks for sharing that...im very interested to see where that goes!!
@jobertvangool9961
@jobertvangool9961 9 ай бұрын
The orientation of the radiator could be important as well, vertical with the “hot” which is the top connector on the cooling block line to the top inlet on the radiator.
@ItIsNot1984
@ItIsNot1984 9 ай бұрын
could it help to add some fins to the block to make it function passively as a heat sink? I'd love to see this come to market. The AIO has become a necessity, but I really hate them because they always end up noisy after a year or two.
@eugkra33
@eugkra33 9 ай бұрын
Noise normalized thermals would be interesting. Maybe this actually outperforms the other cooler at like 25 or 30 decibels.
@cemsengul16
@cemsengul16 7 ай бұрын
That is what I want to see too.
@the_samsung_simp
@the_samsung_simp 9 ай бұрын
This is perfect i love it i WANT one
@rustler08
@rustler08 9 ай бұрын
What's crazy is that you know you'll drop a few degrees in temp just by fixing the fan gaps.
@alexatkin
@alexatkin 9 ай бұрын
Not necessarily, as it depends how the passive circulation works in the loop. Its not like the radiator seemed to be running particularly hot.
@sergentboucherie
@sergentboucherie 9 ай бұрын
That is really cool, I would seriously consider getting one if they release it someday
@mindinversions4487
@mindinversions4487 9 ай бұрын
Seems like it'd be a good hybrid quiet cooler for something like a 7800x 3d.
@seitenryu6844
@seitenryu6844 9 ай бұрын
The color combo looks great. Are those push connect fittings or compression?
@sstier48
@sstier48 9 ай бұрын
Love the innovation, I'll be buying one as long as it's not crazy expensive
@MarinusMakesStuff
@MarinusMakesStuff 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Though I would've loved to see you close up the space at the edge where the air pressure leaks out and re-test if that improves the cooling.
@Dragonslayer12345
@Dragonslayer12345 9 ай бұрын
I hope for this new kind of cooling ideas to come to marked and being successful As a early ice giant buyer i was really impressed with the cooling performance and noise level with different fans so this is a win
@baks567
@baks567 9 ай бұрын
same as air in effectivity x5 in a price
@abb0tt
@abb0tt 9 ай бұрын
You can see a subtle horizontal color gradient on the AIO in the FLIR footage. I’d say there is a lot of potential in refinements and optimization.
@williamdouglas8040
@williamdouglas8040 9 ай бұрын
The biggest issue with this design is that the vacuum will eventually leak due to those plastic tubes. With a metal liner it might take years, but they will leak. But I guess this is not so bad as long as one can reestablish a vacuum. Possible methods of improvement: - copper cold-plate. Al is probably used to match the radiator / prevent corrosion. - higher vacuum so the liquid boils at a lower temperature. - parallel hoses for the water vapour to transition to the radiator (only 1 return path should be sufficient). Dropping the boiling point will result in more vapour going to the radiator. - add a pressure gauge so we can see what sort of vacuum is present. Perhaps a USB connection to allow for automatic monitoring of the vacuum and alerts if required. So a cool idea, but really no different then the heat pipes that are in every air cooler. They are definitely effective, but I'm afraid reliability will be a problem. Gasses can flow through plastic - albeit slowly.
@pascaldifolco4611
@pascaldifolco4611 9 ай бұрын
Super interesting, can be the future of "AIO" ! You can easily improve & retest it by putting the fans on the top of the rad rather than below as (badly) designed, and test outside of a case (or in pull mode)
@JosiahBradley
@JosiahBradley 9 ай бұрын
I love the look of the prototype and fans a lot. Very industrial. Could you contact the company to get more details about the inner workings etc?
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