This Simracing LIVE AI Coach is Next Level! (Review/Showcase)

[@JACKZERYT]

Thanks again to trophi for sponsoring todays video! Make sure to check out this link if your interested a week free trial. my.trophi.ai/get-trophi?via=jackzer (Affiliate link)

[@awakeandwatching953]

any chance it will work with the original AC and content manager? lists ACC and f1 24 but thats it

[@weepingeye]

@@awakeandwatching953 I don't think so mate. No doubt more titles will be included in future.. I mean, I assume they will. But for now it's iRacing, ACC and F1 '24.

[@GitGudRacing]

As a coach, I can see the potential with this. Really good explanations of the strengths and the limitations!

[@JACKZERYT]

@@GitGudRacing deffo is an interesting ol tool alright! Thanks bud

[@ThomasKramer0811]

@@JACKZERYT@gitgudracing you should a side by side comparison. How does human compare to ai. Two unknown circuits, set a base lap and than an hour of instruction and see the improvement in percentages.

[@pinkytheplayer]

@@ThomasKramer0811 i wish they saw this comment, really cool idea

[@blacknovella]

this app seems like the coach i need at the weird times that i drive. I feel like this is helpful to get those intial deep sessions going and then when completed you can go one on one to get that 1%

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

I’ve been using it for a week now and it’s definitely helped me out especially on 1st time tracks. Worth the $100 yearly fee. I started using it on the last day of SilverStone with the SFL and I gained a full second after a 30 min session on my official 4 lap Time Trial.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

Wouldn't it be more fun and rewarding to find out how to improve by yourself? And what would you have achieved in 30 minutes without this tool?

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

@@NielsHeusinkveld Considering I’ve been on the sim 3 months and I’ve only used the program for a week I spent the majority of my time not using the program. I found the program to be extremely helpful especially for someone that can’t spend all day on the sim grinding.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

@@underSTATEDexcellence Do you think it will help your actual skills? Or do you feel for each car and track you'd need to use this program? I.e. will it help you develop driving skill or will it stop you from learning it yourself? Genuinely curious.

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

@@NielsHeusinkveld I only used it with the SFL at Silver Stone because it was my first time at that track, (I was having a hard time mastering it) I haven’t used it on any other tracks yet because I already knew this weeks tracks. It was helpful to me because I didn’t know Silver Stone. It’s not something you’ll use for long if that’s what you mean. But I found it useful as it gave me the #1 fastest Time Trial at Silver Stone for week 3. I don’t know what they’re going to do to retain memberships though. Once you’ve learned the skills I don’t know what more you could do.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

@@underSTATEDexcellence Yeah exactly. Ideally, but this is not in their interest, you don't just learn that specific car/track combo, but you put tools in your toolbox so eventually you can get speed out of any car on any track yourself. And that results in the proud moment when you no longer use setup or coaching ''services''.. Anyway that's just how I see it, but thankfully I don't get to tell how others should go about their hobbies. :)

[@alexpritchard4554]

I really like this app. One thing I wish it would do is display the inputs in a single widget. As it is I need multiple widgets open to see throttle, break and gears. It would also be great if we could import external telemetry data, we only have the option to import other users data, but generally the lap times are not fast.

[@davidhunt9527]

Looks absolutely crazy . Madness how quick technology and ai is moving! Great video matey and well explained!

[@ch3ph_games]

bro loving your content...you are quickly becoming my favorite sim racing creators.

[@Swindog00]

For beginners its an awesome tool and gives the user no pressure from a human coach. For intermediate guys you know where your time is lost and gives you ideas of form over speed to create speed.

[@louiienation8497]

This looks like the coach I’ve been looking for !! This is really cool. I’ve been racing iRacing for about 6 months and have gotten faster but I’m not consistent so I’m lacking pace. Specially when my tires get hot. I need help with tire management too. Really neat coach !

[@summervibes5730]

As an ex sim racer who participated in iRacing Pro series in 2014 I am amazed. This is really the future. I wonder if it has a database of all the car/track combos telemetry or it tries to generate it in real time based on your driving.

[@John-ok8ts]

Honestly I think it just looks at the two telemetry and tells you what you need to do to match the target telemetry which frankly is what all some coaches do too and you could do yourself with laps from garage69. The difference here to thet is you can do it in real time as you drive with overlays which is cool but I doubt there is a lot of AI here.

[@bbtodd]

@@John-ok8ts could be wrong but I think I saw a video on this where you can select one or possibly more of the top records from a track and the AI will examine that and use it as a reference.

[@John-ok8ts]

@bbtodd I think I saw the same video. I haven't tried this but it looks to be a bit better than I originally thought. I still don't think it matches a good driver coach who can tell you the why as well as the what but it certainly matches those that are nothing more than glorified setup shops where they give you a setup and try and train you to drive the lap exactly like them

[@SMDsimsports]

Ah this is what I was looking at great stuff

[@pcholakov]

Been using this for a couple of weeks, it’s fantastic!

[@MikeSwannick]

I think its iRacing, F1 24 and ACC only at this time. It would have been nice to know the software compatibility somewhere near the start.

[@Alec693]

Great video, and appreciate the honesty most importantly, it's cool to be sponsored and all but always be honest :)

[@SimracingJerry]

Good one as always mate. Keep 'm coming. I'll give it some thinking. Might be interesting to try a couple of months 😉

[@Bambeakz]

Looks good but I don't need another subscription. Would have bought it for a good price but now it is a skip.

[@xxsljxx18]

This is Awesome!! I will definitely give it a try!

[@tdhitchins]

this is what I wanted to see an example of, the AI coach. Thanks for doing this vid

[@CezarTeodorescu]

This seems like a great product, thanks for a comprehensive unbiased opinion, I'll try it for myself. Also I had no idea this was launched by Scott Mansell.

[@Vindisify]

Good video and it seems like a good tool. But I don't need yet another subscription based service.

[@EndureRacing]

Subscription services need to go.. Apart from iracing, the rest are a joke

[@tomjxn]

This looks like a game changer for the masses tbh. Nice bit of kit

[@JIBLET]

does it work in vr ?

[@BradleyJarrett-l1r]

Great video definiatly need something like this

[@MiguelSierraGT]

Does anyone know if this works with VR? I wouldn’t mind giving it a go if i knew it works with VR.

[@FluffMuffTater]

Bro you sound 90% like Arthur Morgan. Im tripping out. Awesome review, never though something like this would exist. Im 3k iRating with 0 telemetry reading or coaching maybe it could help me

[@Itzcorbin]

he does a bit.

[@neilbasuracing]

this is great but its stupidly expensive. and you can't even do a trial without putting in payment info which i'm not comfortable with

[@TygQ2]

I use something like revolut where you can create a fake credit card and change details, at any moment so they cant bill you anymore

[@neilbasuracing]

@@TygQ2 good point actually, ill try that though my main issue is the actual price itself, i feel it is too expensive for what it is

[@TygQ2]

@@neilbasuracing yeah, I agree I might buy a month 2-3 times a year to check what im doing wrong if I hit a ceiling but its not worth keeping for a full year

[@marcol6268]

10$ is stupidly expensive? Expensive: yes. But stupidly? The professional plan indeed is, but not the normal one imo.

[@neilbasuracing]

@@marcol6268 eh, agree to disagree i think a telemetry comparison tool with chatgpt and tts built in should not cost as much as a car in iracing my country's currency is super weak and one year of iracing subscription renewal on steam costs me 4500 rupees, which at the moment is half my monthly income as a 22 year old i can't justify spending that much on a telemetry tool when garage61 and URD are free, the main difference being you have to look at the data after you finish driving and manually take note of the stuff like "brake 4 metres later and coast through the corner"

[@slowjoelo]

Hey jack is this the premium one you use or the Professional

[@JurOz1980]

It doesn’t work good with VR yet. But i did approve some technique with it while i only used the analysis afterwards.

[@omarkreidieh3623]

Does it work well with VR?

[@viperion_nz]

What sims (other than iRacing) does it work for?

[@94nolo]

this is so freaking impressive

[@Dave062YT]

Looks very good,what a time to be a sim racer .....

[@latitude4]

What about car setups?

[@ADX77]

$100 is far too expensive. I pay less than that for iRacing.

[@mwa3476]

Coach Dave Delta is like $15 / month, AND you get all the current setups for whatever you're driving. Then just compare laps off their pro laps. Done. Been working great for me.

[@devonallies5574]

Thank you for the video. Question, can you upload a expert lab, lets say from someone else that is not using the trophy ai, from another source?

[@BG_36]

is it just for open wheelers or will it work for all vehicles? What about less popular cars like V8 supercars? thanks for the vid btw.

[@ImLehwz]

This is sick. Nice

[@no_face_kw]

Cool video but does it work on Automobilista 2?

[@cottermaniracingteam]

Does this work on short course oval?

[@garethhughes5745]

Would the AI take into consideration the car setups though?, if so, thats complicated to program, and possibly worth the money. However, for example, It telling you to brake later if your brake bias is wrong will not have good results.

[@JACKZERYT]

@@garethhughes5745 I can ask the guys at trophi this question, I'm very curious to know this/if it's possible!

[@FilthyCasualRacing]

How well does this work in VR? Any issues with the overlays and stuff?

[@NigelRCharman]

Mmm. I have used this and struggled with it. Some comments are useful, some are not. " Try taking this 20 kmh faster" I found unhelpful. Also, in a left right chicane, where the corners are only about 25m apart: "Try braking 25m earlier for the right turn". On the Nurburgring the corners come so close together that comments overlapped so it was giving two instructions at the same time! More useful would be to tell me HOW to take corner 20kmh faster.

[@Jed_Cotterman]

Does it do or say anything about adjusting the brake bias?

[@MarcGaming86]

I've got this yesterday it's amazing

[@TBolt1]

18:55 I was wondering if this AI worked in online sessions; then, I saw someone else leave the session. 👍 Now I wonder how many people will be using this during a race.

[@Itzcorbin]

yes it does.

[@HizenHerz24]

Maybe a stupid question, but does it work with dirt racing?

[@angedreht917]

Now, where does the AI get the telemetry from? Is it possible to put in other telemetry, for example if I am a 2k driver, of a 3k-4k driver to learn something step by step instead of chasing the holy grail. And is it possible to feed the app with the telemetry of a 7k driver, if I am a 4-5k driver to learn the last exploits of the sim?! Or is there an app based limitation and the telemetry is just calculated and doesnt use the "tricks" (talent or whatever) of an E Sports driver? If I could use the telemetry of my teammates, to find the last 0.5s of my talent (4k in GT3, a little bit less in a GTP maybe 3.5-4k) this would help a lot I guess.

[@gefx0164]

Or you just look at the laps of better drivers for lines, brake points etc.. Do that 5 minutes per practice session and you will pick up a lot. Sorry to be negative but I wouldn't pay what they ask for this. For example T1 in that car is flat, or very close to flat. It was teaching you to full lift (and even brake) instead of telling you to lift slightly, find the line, then try flat and find the line. You need to take a wide entry there, then use the downforce to flick it in up to the wall. The throttle trace was the same for all laps. That telemetry looked like its from SF not SFL, T1 isn't even a full lift in SF either in that corner. I guess its good if you are a beginner but anything more and this will just make you run around in circles, that base lap is not even on a 2-2.5k level lap.

[@steffenwei9926]

For 100$/year. No but a tiny bit of this in any game would be the best traning session chief we ale wished for. This would be so god in any career mode game.

[@pro_gemer]

Its a quick ai cash grab what do you expect

[@John-ok8ts]

Probably depends on the setup. I only did a handful of fixed races that week and yea T1 is flat although you don't really lose much taking a safety lift around the apex just to get nose in.

[@damiendegrasse]

Because the reference lap selected is not ideal, otherwise it will try to guide you to match the pro lap.

[@fabioflyer]

Would this work for a VR user?

[@kosmo_2k]

Oh man that would be cool to win this, especially since I suck…

[@willabeast2404]

I searched the website but couldn’t find an answer. Anyone know if this works in VR?

[@m1northreat]

i havent used the app but typically with any of these overlays apps in VR you will have to pin these windows to get them to stick while in the game. its kind of annoying cause you have to do it every time you close everything and start anew.

[@willabeast2404]

Thanks for the response. I currently use race labs overlays in VR and it hasn’t been too difficult. I’ll give this program a try and report back.

[@EricEsenwine]

You have to use a 3rd party program to get the trophi ai overlays to work in VR... they have a vr tutorial that recommends using Open Kneeboard. I have been using that and it works pretty well.

[@JonJennings-gd1my]

It does! There is a VR guide, you do need to use a additional software but it works

[@snippidippi]

Works with acc?

[@spyders.mp3]

It works with ACC iRacing F1 24 and Rocket League

[@andyking05]

So.... you are already pretty decent, the ai is fine tuning your skill, i wonder how well it works for a less consistant "average" sim racer

[@JACKZERYT]

@andyking05 I'm as inconsistently average as it gets lol, tbh I could've went alot faster here but I was more so demonstrating the software, if anything the more of a "beginner" you are, the more fast progress and value you'll get from it

[@m1northreat]

im curious if when driving a gt3 if the software is comparing you to a pro in the same car or just another gt3. that would make a huge difference. seems worth the try. 7 day free trial seems cool.

[@JonJennings-gd1my]

You can choose! There are pros, but you can also select alternatives if you want to find someone closer to your time that isn't as much of an alien!

[@chillimanfly2859]

is this premium or pro?

[@DNHarris]

I need to give this a 7 day trial, but can you set it up for Freedom Imperial units or must you use Commie Metric? I can do the conversion in my head but I find I translate kmh/~2=mph (yes, I know mph=0.62 kmh but quick math) and meters=~yard/3=feet (yes, I know meters=1.1 yards, but again millisecond math) every time.

[@JACKZERYT]

@@DNHarris I'm fairly sure you can, but I think as most tracks braking zones are meters , maybe it's best to keep them as it will only give instructions during the corner.

[@TheDoK666]

It does'nt have LMU support :/

[@heisenbug3542]

it also doesn't support mario kart

[@aimbot0x01]

I tried it, the client is too huge

[@gmartineza8775]

15:11 this made me laugh out loud, what even is that tip?! Nicky Lauda giving advise to Lewis Hamilton type shi

[@colin1174]

Since the voice is prob AI generated, would be awesome to be coached by an AI-generated voice for current F1 drivers 😂

[@Tacoplane91]

And yet AI comes to take over another job

[@Corkyajax]

Idk.. it just tells you what to do instead of explaining and let you figure it out yourselve. That way you learn faster.

[@monza27]

Does it work in VR?

[@mikecroshaw9233]

yep, this is what I was wondering.

[@polar_inertia]

dunno why it wouldn't

[@monza27]

@@polar_inertia obviously the audio part of it will be fine but the HUD boxes will need VR support. Racelabs overlays has VR support but you need to jump through a few hoops to get it to work.

[@mikecroshaw9233]

@@polar_inertia well, the last time I tried Trophi, in beta, it didn't.

[@JonJennings-gd1my]

@@mikecroshaw9233 It does! We have a guide in the app on how to enable it - just check out the settings menu and navigate to the VR tab.

[@notusatsu4424]

Highspeed Etoile irl

[@Bmoncrief]

Sign me up!

[@dougmintz2943]

This is a feature within iRacing? I might have missed it but what sim/game are you driving in?

[@connorspreed]

Does it know if you are in a wet session or not

[@weepingeye]

I respond best to tough love. Does it swear at you and tell you your shite?

[@D9t-p8w]

You used data and data really well. I never thought of changing how I say it when saying it twice in a sentence 😂😂. Random

[@PCayMan]

@jackzer is there a cost associated with this?

[@Spinelli__]

Next thing, we'll just have AI telling us at exactly which point to brake for every single braking zone for every lap. Might as well not even drive anymore. Imagine in real life some magical computer knew the exact point to brake for every turn for every tyre for every weather condition for every car. Some guy who may not have had the skill, the intuition, the nerves, or the feel to realize a corner or braking zone could be taken in a different way will now instantly be notified...so much for the other driver/s who actually have the skill to realize it themselves rather than being told. Their performance gap - which they rightly deserve due to being more skilled (or having more practice or whatever) - just got drastically reduced or potentially even fully negated due to the other driver being told exactly what to do, where to do it, how to do it, when to do it, by a computer. Stuff like this makes me sick. Heck, just lame driver aids like traction control and ABS make me sense, let alone a computer telling you exactly how to drive.

[@dakaodo]

That's what the Luddites said too, and yet here we are today, with only people on Etsy making and selling artisanal handwoven fabric. I'm not saying you're wrong. On the contrary, you'd likely be quite right -- IF ALL OTHER FACTORS STAYED THE SAME. But this is just an AI buzzword iteration similar to what happened as auto racing in the 1930s began to turn professional with human coaches. By your logic and traction control / ABS extensions, this should also apply to race telemetry technologies and many other modern racing aids. Surely you've watched modern races and coaching. We already have the human form of coaching, people talking in your ear and telling you where your brake points are, and yet somehow good race drivers still manage to separate out from indifferent drivers. No development exists in a vacuum. It's what the Peltzman effect describes, for safety equipment. Make something easier, safer, or otherwise better, and humans competing at the upper limits of their abilities will still find ways to push further. Even with an AI telling you exactly where your braking points are, as long as a human is in the loop, performance will be dependent on that human's ability to process and act on those instructions. Computer tools can't manage our stress and adrenaline for us -- that's still wholly human territory. The lack of nerves you lightly dismissed is actually very central to this. An AI coaching tool might raise the overall average speed of the participants by a small fraction, but there will still be people who process and respond to inputs (including any hypothetically ideal AI prompting) differently. Today you don't see unqualified regular Joes jumping into an F1 race for a quick lark, and winning a podium on their first try. If we sub YOU into the driver's seat for Sebastien Loeb, Lewis Hamilton, etc with all of their support infrastructure, coaching, etc. all their computerized *stuff* isn't going to magically make you the equal of those drivers. An AI coach isn't going to change this dynamic. If and when best-in-class AI tools do get wider market penetration, everyone who's in a given field will get those AI tools, if nothing else just to keep up with the Joneses. If anything, the additional expenses will only marginally widen the performance gap between have and have-not teams based on their funding, sponsorships, etc just as we have already seen in racing for decades. Even if one day we get to a point where AlphaGo comes to racing and beats every human driver, there will still be a racing equivalent of Etsy with "unenhanced" or "classic" divisions for humans who want to quaintly race against each other.

[@damiendegrasse]

For top series, engineers will come on the radio to give guidance to drivers based on data from the other cars. This is not completely dissimilar, most sim racers are alone unlike irl. You're being very dramatic 😂

[@PsychoAce1]

Only works with a credit card to complete the subscription, which I do not have and will not get

[@PurpleHelix]

Those guys are tripping with their prices, no way in hell im paying 15 euros for a service that is brand new. NOOOPE. Also, it says 7 day trial but I HAVE to input my credit card to use 7 days free? Again, NOOOOPE. Never. Sorry.

[@o_Shockwave]

definitely not brand new, i've been using the beta for 2 years? maybe, it's good

[@ApexwithDavin]

Most will use this as a crutch, but not under WHY they’re doing what they're doing in the car.

[@regibson23]

I'm not sure I would call Sebring technical. It's mostly point and shoot with very few corners that get strung together.

[@PsykoLemmy]

You must be handicapped mentally for sure

[@John-ok8ts]

Probably why I'm fast there lol

[@dracula5487]

Unfortunately I don't do paid subscriptions......................😜

[@des4511]

That is big nope, no subscriptions here either

[@nicholase6552]

I'm unable to like the vid for some reason

[@ELMASQUELAMONTA]

The real price is 700 a year for this lol

does it work in VR?