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[@Thalvia]

Telling people that they should post boobs when you dont find their face attractive is genuinely scary

[@aubiek3208]

Yeah...🥲

[@IAmGhostProductions]

All facts, no cap, on god she dont miss frfr

[@pgdaddy29]

That's just disgusting behavior

[@bomberbosses4707]

@@IAmGhostProductions What

[@alicekravets8584]

that's regressing to internet culture 20 years ago, which should be left in the trash

[@aseofspades4802]

Mods on this sub should be required to post their own face so they could feel the abusive bullshit they encourage towards others

[@megorly792]

Ik for sure they're going to put some fake pic

[@RecRoomPlays]

The thing about incels (which is certainly what this subreddit is about) is that all the time they don't spend denigrating women is spent denigrating themselves and each other. It's truly just a whirlpool of hate and loathing and misery.

[@ishathakor]

i agree. they should also have that "verification" thing that some other subs where you post your face or body require. like you need to write the date, sub name, and your username on a piece of paper and then take a selfie with it. the ones i've been on require you to crumple up the paper so that there are natural-looking shadows too so it's harder for someone to fake the picture with editing software. because i'm sure a lot of these people are dudes taking photos of girls they know and posting them without their consent.

[@OurLadyOfSorrows4]

These blackpill incels have have already convinced themselves that they're a 3 at best and will never find love

[@damienearl8302]

@@ishathakor Damn, that's actually super clever!

[@kazwade5779]

As a 15 year old guy It’s cool to see more people pointing out how detrimental the red pill shit has been for my generation it sucks that so many of my old friends have turned towards these podcasts and forums. hopefully more videos like this can bring guys to some sense it’s really frustrating watching them blame other people for shit they don’t want to work on especially girls our age going through the same issues

[@Zectifin]

its always funny how older generations talk about how easy kids have it these days. I'm 37 and I feel terrible for your generation. The internet was in its infancy when I was a kid and we had AOL dialup lol. There was no such thing as social media until I was out of high school, I signed up for this new thing called myspace at 19. We thought bullying was bad back then, now people can coordinate to bully people 24x7 and bully you in your own home and ya'll are constantly being exposed to some terrible shit ideas before your minds are ready for it. Good on you for staying out of that shit. keep it up.

[@noahclaycameron]

Nicely said man

[@carmencorona8477]

well said! hoping our generation learns to redefine that term "alpha" someday

[@carislaurell]

you give me hope lmao

[@Clyde_ML]

Same dude! I'm also 15, and majority of my friends (we've been friends since kinder) are changing into toxic "alphas/sigmas☠️" and just straight up dicks who blame women for everything. Heck, I caught my younger brother watching Andrew tate once. It's horrible how many young boys are turning into misogynists

[@alex9033]

Man, those guidelines hit one of my biggest rating system pet peeves right off the bat: WHAT IS THE POINT OF A TEN-POINT SCALE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE ALL TEN POINTS?!

[@abigailr.9601]

Lolllll so true…another point among many for why this subreddit is stupid

[@AlinaProbably]

EXACTLY OH MY GOD i'm so glad i wasn't the only one, i know it's such a small thing but it annoys me SO MUCH

[@tobyjack1238]

How on Earth can they say a 10 is impossible to achieve?! Have they not seen Danny DeVito?

[@10DanielaLima]

YES! One of my college professors said "I have never given a 10 in my career because no one can be perfect, only god" like wtf whyyyyy

[@magiconic]

​@@marcusmaire8197almost like "perfect" is unachievable, and people should not consider 10/10 to be perfect, especially if it is in school/education and has lasting effects

[@heathermarie8334]

imagine being a "trusted rater" on the phrenology subreddit

[@pablokult248]

YEAH its wild how thinly veiled that whole subreddit is with it

[@aud7593]

imagine asking these people what their hobbies are. "I think about strangers' faces in detail for many hours a day to objectively rate them on an attractiveness scale" like hello? this is how you spend the precious few years you have on this earth???

[@darkithnamgedrf9495]

@@aud7593Yeah like how is this how people want to spend their time? Without even taking into account the disgusting nature of the subreddit and “hobby” to begin with, do these people enjoy just constantly being negative?

[@FEED_ME_A_STRAY_CAT]

I imagine it would take having 0 friends, 0 hobbies and never interacting with a member of the opposite sex!

[@TheHutes]

This is basically phrenology

[@morganashley3820]

The sexism, racism, and fatphobia in this subreddit is absolutely sickening. Thank you for trying to educate young men to nip toxic behavior in the bud.

[@nathanh775]

OK but let's be fair here: attractiveness = society wants to look at you. Society generally doesn't want to look at fat people. Call it fatphobia all you like but obesity will still be a health condition and not a feature

[@halatiny6537]

@@nathanh775shut up. Who cares what society thinks.

[@michealscarn1324]

@@nathanh775attractiveness ≠ society. Attractiveness is a subjective thing that varies with each person. Society has beauty standards, sure. But that is not the same. There are many fat men and women that people find attractive

[@NeshaBoo21]

​@@nathanh775obese and fat aren't always the same thing. You can be fat and healthy so using health as an excuse is absolute bs

[@Lukedub]

Don't squeeze in fatphobia in there. It's not a real thing. I agree with your point, but being fat can make you unattractive, objectively.

[@ozziescribbler]

"rate me on your poorly disguised eugenics scale, pls" the subreddit

[@meifennellysieu7510]

Exactly, geez. As a mixed-race person, this kind of sh*t bothers me so much. I don't know why some folks can't see other groups of people as equally human.

[@Wow-vw6ws]

@@meifennellysieu7510seriously the “small almond eyes” really sealed the deal that these people are literally looking for 1 or 2 races. I haven’t watched the whole video but I wouldn’t be surprised if at like a 2 it said “large hooked nose” or some racist shit like that

[@manyyoumas]

ffr

[@deltasweetashoney8880]

Once saw a comment on it that we’re rating a girl and simply put “4.3 you look Spanish “

[@Clyde_ML]

As a teenage boy, I can for sure say you have helped me a lot. I was surrounded by misogynistic male friends and misogynistic content all the time. Of course, as a young kid you're easily influenced, so i was pretty similar to them. Though, I found your channel and other similar channels to yours and it really made me think about my actions. I've learned so much and i also stopped being friends with those sexists. Now I'm much more of a positive person, and whenever i feel sad or insecure i dont put others down. Though this is the happiest I've been, I don't feel pressured by toxic masculinity anymore

[@hadesisbaby]

Hey buddy, I’m so proud of you! Genuinely. Boys like you are SO important 🤎

[@ak1ra.mp3]

so proud of you! :D

[@_WYNGZ_]

Congratulations man. I wish one of my friends would watch this channel icl

[@katherinehaidara2967]

Super proud of you!

[@monke1982]

W

[@sharkosupreme]

Genuinely baffling how "scoring" women {and people in general, regardless of gender} is still a thing. It's really gross but not that surprising for redditors

[@muppetman78]

it’s so objectifying

[@bobhope4288]

I agree, and on that note, I'd score your comment a 9. It was just missing that period at the end.

[@lobsters12111]

@@bobhope4288maybe it’s not the end and we just haven’t seen the rest yet

[@itisnotsosimple]

I think its not a problem if you just understand its a subjective thing. Like when I hear a guy say "my gf is a ten out of ten" I don't think thats objectivefying. It can just be mean if a jerk goes up to someone and calls them a 2.

[@charlieblank3393]

redditors are just depressing frat boys...

[@giantpinkcat]

Redditors when they find out that most women in real life don't look like Jessica Rabbit: 😱🤢🤮

[@stellagomez100]

Bruh they would call Jessica rabbit mid cause they lost their damn minds

[@lrizzard]

well actually her facial symmetry is subpar and her bulbous nose has a potentiophantric septum and a overly arched upper blepharol area conjuction, therefore she cant be higher than 4.5 -that subreddit probably

[@alicine-sims8988]

​​@@tabithacakes3624your face is like, a 4.5, but your appearance overall would probably put you higher. Have you tried posting on r/ratemynakedbody yet? Keep me posted."

[@livenandlove1980]

They would probably call her fat

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

>implying Redditors have even seen a woman in real life

[@namretaw]

As a teenage boy who has watched you for years, I can safely say that you have helped me understand that you shouldn’t try to play games with people and to think a little deeper. I definitely see what you’re talking about with those pipelines, and I can see it in my classmates. Thank you for being such a good influence.

[@paperhatable]

This warmed my heart

[@djllorona]

Genuinely mad respect to trying to reach to young men on that path. Appreciate the carefulness handling such a serious topic

[@SabrinaRina]

Truly. Because I see it with my nephews. They're angry sometimes. They're only old enough to mimic and repeat things their grandpas, uncles and dads say. Feelings over not getting their way, not being heard, not getting that grade/award/job/team spot, not feeling that they can be hurt and have to brush it off (physical and emotional), having other males hurt them as just part of being guys, and so much more. I just don't know how so many in a flash flood fell all the blame on women. Even when I know for some guys, the only friend or family member that pauses and goes "are you alright, wanna talk, how do you emotionally feel" might be a woman... but at some point sex or you're matronly and only comfort me, became the only modes of acceptable women. I've been in groups playing games and my main friend just gets constant mockery by all the guys, and I try to shut it down as unfunny, and when it turns on me, they just sit quiet, but then ask me not to quit because they like me there. Dude, no, I don't like being there, you're not worth harassment, and when you get harassed I stand up for you, so stand up for yourself, even though you don't back up for me.

[@the_local_bigamist]

Amen. I wrote a bit of a rambling post but you summed it up in two sentences. Damaging for young girls and women due to the fact that it is basically forcing incel "ideology" upon them even though it is dudes posting the images, and damaging for young boys and men because they can easily fall into the Tateoid, manosphere, misogynistic rabbit hole and it has gotten to the point at which governments are considering whether to add "incel ideology" or "Incelism" I guess into categories of extremism and terrorism, given the fact that they have committed many awful atrocities already. I hope that this sh*t just gets shut down, ignored, demonetised and that content such as Jarvis' and other similar channels get through to young, confused and insecure kids of any gender.

[@jillianthrill]

Honestly, ive had my images submitted to this subreddit by an ex partner without my knowledge. Jarvis is 100% right. DO NOT support this subreddit. And if you have image issues, such as myself, do NOT DO IT AT ALL. You may think that people around you flatter you but it is NOT worth it.

[@naonao9528]

I've seen this happen to others as well sorry it happened to you.

[@AquaTooTuff]

ew, i would have sued them for defamation

[@MadeOfConfusion]

Yeah... also don't do it for negative belief reinforcement, I absolutely imagine some people are searching for that while feeling down on themselves...

[@jillianthrill]

@@MadeOfConfusion absolutely! That as well!

[@HazbinCovenWitch]

I already think I'm ugly, so I wouldn't anyway. I don't put my face anywhere online, except in private DMs with people I'm comfortable with.

[@nitrons_]

Its gross how they treat attractiveness as objective, they even made an entire guide on how to rate

[@nitrons_]

oops turns out jarvis talked about this in like the first 5 minutes

[@Flerpyderb]

and the guide is so sexist too, saying that a woman is less attractive if she has ‘masculine features’, or that a man is less attractive if he has ‘feminine features’, like androgyny is forbidden to them

[@jc-zt9uw]

FR

[@batbebebe]

​@@nitrons_😢🎉😮😢😂

[@BlakeRPeters]

It also like, invalidates the entire reason for the sub to exist. If there were objective and correct ways to “rate” someone in this way they would only need one person or a bot to assign the rating

[@dorothyhicks6320]

"men need to understand the bar is on the floor" I work in a staff of all women, all of us have been harassed at some point in our life. We talk about this ALL THE TIME. All we ask from men is to not be a jerk, treat us equally, and wear deodorant. Trust me, if you're genuinely a good person, you won't have a hard time. We see that.

[@Blueeyelashes]

ah yes, the lovechild of misogyny and phrenology. The leaked screenshots confirm their intentions too.

[@youraveragesocialist84]

This feels a little too close to eugenics for any sort of comfort to be found in how bafflingly stupid the concept is. “Ah yes having a shape of eye is objectively better” is definitely a bit too close too “ah yes the size of your skull is objectively better”

[@Saga_Anserum]

They are talking about skulls with 'high zygomatic process' and whatever, so... yikes.

[@thatperson2478]

While I do think that there may be a scientific and meaningful difference between people with different features this is obviously just one person's subjective type. Also, in general, is eugenics necessarily bad? Wouldn't we want to improve now that natural selection and consequent improvement has been close to eliminated?

[@sad_lil_enby]

I was casually scrolling through the comments and gasped when I saw your pfp. lol Rodriguez lesssss goooooo 😎

[@jasperjazzie]

especially since it's very very obvious that these "objectively good features" are all just eurocentric features. so that's a yikes.

[@eldritchteletubby9319]

Yup. I saw someone else talking about this sub. Every blond white woman has a rating of 6-8, and no non-white woman ever gets above 6.

[@nickspeelman9174]

I'm 42. And I am super grateful that the Incel/Red Pill community wasn't a thing when I was a teenager. Like Jarvis, I went through an "i'm a good guy, why don't girls like me" thing when I was young. Eventually I figured out that the problem was actually internal and went on to have a perfectly normal dating life. But if the Red Pill pipeline existed in the 90s... who knows where I'd be? There's such a simple path out of this life of desperate, lonely bitterness for these guys. But they just can't (or won't) see it.

[@sexytechreviews_]

a lot of the posters including the mod is over 40. also toxic males are not a new thing ffs.

[@onyona]

⁠​⁠@@sexytechreviews_ obviously toxic men isnt a new thing, but I hardly think its a crazy take to say that its so much easier these days to become isolated and stuck in echo chambers of toxic thought like this.

[@rachelnicolebro]

@@sexytechreviews_nowadays ​​⁠it is so much easier for people like this to find communities that validate and radicalize their beliefs. these internet safe havens just didn't exist and/or weren't so accessible.

[@snm56693]

@@gotmilkbutt I could be wrong, but I don’t think that’s what they were saying?

[@bzipoli]

@@sexytechreviews_ but thats not what he said

[@splendidpheasant9192]

I really hate the idea that anyone would call you “woman pandering” just because you have made a safe space for people of all genders. As a female-leaning non-binary person, channels like yours are some of the only places I feel safe interacting with online because you promote being respectful. Glad you’re trying to reach those people who think that though and change their minds; education is always the right step forward :)

[@Zectifin]

the fact that a "white knight" is seen as some kind of insult is so stupid. Whenever someone calls me a white knight I just say thanks. Wow I will defend women when some asshole starts being a sexist piece of shit for no reason, such a character flaw.

[@captainobvious8037]

Safe space from what? Things certain people don't want to hear? But that's a normal and healthy by-product of human communication via speech. Respect on the other hand should be a given. It clearly isn't on the internet, but that's an unsolvable issue. Humans without faces tend to act more like the animals they actually are. Not an issue per se, but it doesn't align with the norms we have created as a species. Anyway Education IS the right way forward, but it's not that simple. Spreading information on matters that really aren't factual, neutral or objective.. but clearly opinion based and deeply biased topics per se.. spreading such information and calling it "educating people" is a tad bit too arrogant. I do not know this youtuber, all i've seen is this video. Clearly those people on reddit got some issues, but it isn't at all obvious that they consciously or unconsciously intend to "put women down". That's an assumption. The men are being rated exactly the same, by weird "beauty standards" nobody really gives a fuck about. It's what people often do when they spend too much time creating categories on specific subjects and trying to establish themselves as experts or connoisseurs on the matter. It's a bit stupid but happens all the time. The "10 isn't an option, because such perfection does not exist" is a CLEAR indicator of this "connoisseur" way of looking at it. Of course the sub sucks and is a potential breeding ground for unintentional harm and even barely acceptable views on certain matters, but there's no reason to believe there's inherently evil or harmful intent at play. This youtuber simply reacted to it, then he mentioned men who learn to hate women because they allow their experiences to form them in a bad way. It's a valid issue, but it exists on both sides. We gotta be careful with who and what we drag into this hategame, because every accusation, be it reasonable or not, automatically feeds anger into more and more people on both sides of this war that shouldn't even exist. From the looks of it, (like i said i have only seen this video) this youtuber IS pandering to women, at least a tiny bit. But that's okay, influencers have their audience. Just.. remain as neutral and objective as possible.. and work on certain things. Like, if you need to look for a "safe space" in a normal environment.. you, being a being on this earth, got some weaknesses to work on and probably realities to face.

[@ChildrenUnder30]

@@captainobvious8037 Troll harder lol

[@captainobvious8037]

@@ChildrenUnder30 Excuse me?

[@dizzypear]

​@@captainobvious8037i ain't reading allat 🗣️

[@karo7628]

just one thing ive noticed that they rate POC women a lot lower too

[@liamcristello2591]

Cis-straight guy here, it’s very tough to watch my peers fall down this awful misogynist pipeline but I do hope you don’t think it’s your job to fix all of them! For what it’s worth I think you’ve been a phenomenal role model for young men in your videos

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

I'm a cis male who used to be very straight and I could relate, but now I'm more pansexual and like everybody. But I'm a younger male (21) so I was surprised that there wasn't many males according to Jarvis. And it sucks how toxic most men seem to be, or more accurately, the loud majority and that there's great guys out there. Sigh...

[@monokuma7746]

im a bear reject humanity and return to monkey

[@calooloo]

Let's not overlook how "cis white man" centric these standards of beauty are. Women and people from any other cultures have vastly different beauty standards.

[@Nvdatan]

yeah they try to add different races in all the scores BUT is so evident that the features rated higher are those of white people.

[@ChespinCraft]

And also how entirely heteronormative they are. Woman has masculine feature = bad, man has feminine feature = bad, as if this is a universal truth that everyone believes and just a fact of life rather than an opinion that's just as valid as any other.

[@maker0824]

I don’t know if I’d say men and women have different preferences, but I do know everyone has different preferences, and that different cultures have different preferences. This certainly is very centralised in places like America.

[@Eden21425]

​@ChespinCraft shoutout to masculine women and feminine men, they are awesome. Fuck beauty standards and gender norms/roles

[@colorbar.s]

american, really. they're american beauty standards

[@lexstewart233]

This feels like it's one step away from phrenology. Like an incredibly short step

[@litehomesociety]

I'd say it's already there

[@ramenaddict1676]

It's already that

[@RichardsGaySon]

That’s literally what it is

[@thaloblue]

Bruh. I got fixated on that subreddit years ago... I have been described as ugly several times. I'm fine with it. I'm an asexual female. There's no purpose behind being beautiful and I don't make enough money to put in any effort as far as nice clothes or makeup (much of which I'm allergic to). I always wanted to post a selfie on there and see what people really thought, but when I would read others' posts for people that I thought looked genuinely pretty, people were still so cruel. I chickened out and never uploaded any selfie. You making a video on this creates an external lens that reminds me 1. this place still exists online yikes and 2. it's actually a horrible concept full of deliberately toxic people. I doubt I would have ever received an honest or objective answer, and I'm confident I would be made to feel like shit for some rancid man's ego. I'm glad I never got the guts to put myself out there.

[@dogwatchjn]

you dont have to be fine with it (: you dont have to be fine with anything that pertains to tour happiness.

[@luciabaran8346]

I posted once on one of these types of subs and I think I got a like a 7 maybe but oh my god the dms I got we’re terrible. Really they’ll roast you if you’re “ugly” and they’ll harass you if you’re “pretty”

[@Grassrope123]

Dude I have never felt so seen. I’m an ace female who’s been fixated on beauty and how I can become “less ugly” in a way lately…. It’s like I don’t want to be beautiful for other people but for me so I can be happy with myself? But I’ve learned that’s a toxic road to go down. I really feel that. Bruh you dodged a bullet not posting on there tho. That subreddit was made just for belitting women whether or not they were even attractive it’s just cruel

[@prefertoremainanonymous-vp2gp]

Yeah. For me, it's like the urge to watch a disturbing movie---I know what'll happen, I know I'll hate it, I know that I won't get anything from it (save needless psychological distress), but there's still some godforsaken part of me that wants to dive headfirst into the sludge and see what all the fuss is about.

[@northstar2621]

What did they say in the DM's 😳​@@luciabaran8346

[@jasons2210]

Im gunna go out on a limb here and say less than .1% of the posters on that sub have ever been in a relationship with a woman. Very bold I know.

[@crazyowlgirlcncowner]

Not only that but I wanna know what they look like. If women like these are a 3 or 4 then the men rating them better be a 12/10

[@ATiredDoctor]

^^^exactly!! if women used these standards to rate the admins they’d be scraping the bottom of the barrel no doubt

[@lobsters12111]

Well how could they with those standards

[@lobsters12111]

@@ATiredDoctorthey’d be so pissed off if somebody rated them too

[@naaat3278]

@@crazyowlgirlcncownerno because I went on the Reddit and some super ugly men were getting rated higher than some of the gorgeous women they were rating 2s and 3s… like how

[@Flerpyderb]

how tf they out here treating attractiveness as objective when it’s literally one of the most subjective things

[@jc-zt9uw]

literally it’s ok if someone’s not ur type but that doesn’t mean they are no ones type🥲 and if they’re not u don’t need to say so😭

[@Waspinmymind]

It’s anti intellectual brain rot. The idea that you can somehow be intellectually unbiased is a plague that’s spread all over the internet. We’re bias emotional creatures. And attractiveness is such a bias subject that pretending that it’s otherwise is stupid.

[@jijitters]

And one of the images they use with examples has literal supermodels, heralded as some of the most beautiful people in their countries, as 6/7/8s, it's total nonsense. I don't know what kind of weirdos run the subreddit and made up their metric but they're disgusting people for sure.

[@mundanepants]

Gotta get that confirmation fuel from somewhere, I guess. Lots of unfortunate souls will go to any self-destructive lengths to feel like they belong somewhere. Like the world they've absorbed through mainstream advert consumption is the objective reality.

[@FayieElphis]

Because this is how disgusting men have tried to control us for centuries. This is also why women typically (but not always) value a compliment from another woman more than a man.

[@ZanetaW]

The fact that people are posting their friends' pictures (almost certainly without permission) to get them dragged on some phrenology subreddit is disgusting.

[@magiiyoo6715]

Fun fact: rating people’s attractiveness is weird as hell!!

[@nonharmon]

its funny bc if any of these women gave them an ounce of attention irl, they'd be tripping over themselves like there's no tomorrow

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

They'd literally turn to dust the second the fresh air of outside touched their skin

[@FEED_ME_A_STRAY_CAT]

Even the ones they think are "hideous" 2s and 3s!

[@deathsheadhawkmoths]

that's the whole idea, they do find these women attractive and they're trying to knock down their self esteem so their standards will be lower and they'll be willing to date "mediocre/ugly" men, which is what these men consider themselves

[@CluelessStacey]

@@deathsheadhawkmoths I feel like this is true. My boyfriend says that I was constantly called ugly at school cause guys were just trying to put me down so it would be easier to hook up with me.... It melted my brain

[@alanmichaeldill]

As a heterosexual man, my subjectively objective rating of Jarvis is an 11/10

[@WholesomeOcha]

Too low. Strike one out of three until you get banned. He’s obviously at least a 24/10

[@mr_butterfly9660]

Full homo thats fax

[@Max-to9zg]

As a homosexual man, I have to agree.

[@Numbercrown]

As a bisexual I also agree

[@RockSoulMe]

As an asexual, I also agree, Jarvis is really handsome

[@connorruggles8740]

The personal note where you mention the fact that you had good influences to not lead you down that incel/mysoginist path really hit home for me. I thought very similarly to you when I was younger and you’re completely right! I was only hurting myself and putting myself down, and the thought of taking those feelings out on women and girls my age at the time just did not feel right to me

[@karenamyx2205]

What is the point of a scale if some numbers are literally unobtainable? Take them out. Rebalance the 1-10 to what is physically represented in reality. This is why you have people getting a 5 and feeling upset. Because they are actually a 8 on a scale that doesn't have physically unobtainable fringes.

[@lucianh9465]

these "objective" rating standards are so eurocentric and feel very discriminatory against/cruel towards women of color. the whole thing is designed around praising more typically white features. having masculine features as a woman doesn't make you ugly in any way (not that i would be comfortable calling a human woman ugly in the first place) beauty is the most subjective thing in the world and beauty trends change constantly.

[@hyobroschae]

The eurocentric standards were the first thing I noticed when I saw the sub (i discovered it today before i saw this video what a coincidence). For women, all tje higher numbers were white and east asian women. Like, if that doesn't scream that this was made by ahem a *certain* kind of man idk what will

[@J_Lynn]

@@hyobroschae the saddest part is that dudes who fall into these circles convince themselves that those standards are what they need to be attracted to because... idk... they want the best trophy out of all their misogynist friends? Can't tell you how many boys I overheard when I was still in school saying they would only date asians or women under 25 for the rest of their lives. It's incredibly like ambiently damaging for young girls to be hearing that every day in highschool. To feel like you're already ugly because of your skin color, or that you only have

[@XiaoIsMyHusbandBTW]

it's very strange, i personally find androgyny extremely attractive in both men and women

[@sexytechreviews_]

@@hyobroschae not true at all. the best looking european and asian women get the lowest scores. the people who are 5 based on their own chart get scored higher. guess you dont get that the wholepoint of the sub is to rate very attractive women lowly in order to gaslight them.

[@violetbitch9492]

@@sexytechreviews_ they rate everyone low because of that. But the "rules" they explained as the scale they use are the eurocentric beauty standards we all know. Aka things that uphold white supremacy

[@Claire-gz4tr]

Trying to convince young men that they've fallen into manipulative traps is so difficult because the trap convinces them that escape is the real trap. I wish them all the best in their journeys

[@sexytechreviews_]

Newsflash many of the creeps posting and the main mod are all OVER 40.

[@Imxel21]

@@sexytechreviews_that’s what YOU think. Besides this type of behaviour is done on younger platforms like Tiktok

[@snkybrki]

​@@Imxel21 We don't really know that the subreddit is mostly young men, either. Just mostly guys, of some varying age range.

[@jmyetman1999]

oh its eugenics. this is basically just eugenics with a fresh coat of paint isnt it

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

2:07 "I would rate higher but that's subjectivity speaking" Isn't...isn't the point of rating something to be subjetive?

[@Seasidelilac]

Every time someone tries to come up with a standard of “objective beauty,” I’m reminded of how I was often made fun of for having large lips as a child. Nowadays, I receive compliments about how full they are and asked if I got lip fillers / botox. Beauty is completely subjective and changes constantly. Any “standard” will always put down another group.

[@pam7705]

In my experience, one auntie called me "fat," and the very next day, another called me "too skinny." I never really trust the notion of objective beauty since 😅

[@RusticRonnie]

I went from the ugly person in my family to the hot one, basically for my lips, nose and skin tone I didn’t change at all, but my sisters friends used to make fun of me, now those same people hate my GF, and keep asking if im single. but im still not considered “hot” just attractive for where I live. Probably also helps im tall

[@kingkinb6275]

Frl

[@base21]

Yeah cause beauty is fluid

[@tradutorajuliana]

Absolutely, beauty standards are set by those in power at the time

[@GodlessCog]

Fun fact: this subreddit's content was suggested to me several times, and I suspect it was because I was in some Body Dysmorphic Disorder support groups. Gross!

[@e2b265]

If that really is the case that is awful and might even be intentional. I really hope this isn’t targeting people who would be really affected by this subreddit mentally.

[@Sabrina-mh2qd]

Me too!! I spiraled so hard when I found it, got addicted to scrolling through it for a few days. I literally had to delete reddit and get off the internet for a couple weeks to recover my progress

[@arminbayan]

I only use Reddit to look up things related to my hobbies (outdoorsy stuff, photography, programming) and I still get this kind of shit in my feed. Reddit is really toxic and no one should visit that wasteland.

[@charissadubin9355]

oof that's so sad

[@akumie6996]

If I had stumbled upon this subreddit a few years ago, it would have fucked with me so hard. This subreddit is absolutely awful.

[@Arcanist_Gaming]

Funny story: there's a youtube channel that's basically this subreddit, but they charge hundreds of dollars to give you an attractiveness report, charging so much for doctors that have no training in plastic surgery or any kind of aesthetics. You _also_ can't copy the names of the doctors to look them up and have to type them into google manually. (The channel is Qoves Studio if anyone was wondering. I'd look to see if they're still a thing, but they don't deserve the effort.)

[@onipot9639]

Qoves Studio is genuinely such a toxic channel, promotes body dysmorphia for profit. It's genuinely such a scary thing. It is literally incredible harmful, and lowkey eugenics just like the subreddit. I hope Jarvis and more people cover it for being the actual scam it is.

[@milorioux4941]

His speech at the end of this video is impeccable. I say this as a straight white teenage male. I salute you we need more people of his calibre

[@Magst3r1]

Ignoring the fact that it's totally wrong to rate ones appearance like that: they only rate people from like 4 - 6,5. The most beautiful people get a 6.5 and anyone who rates above 7 gets a warning for overrating.

[@ArturGlass.C]

Doesn't that completely changes the rating system then ? Cuz now everyone's aware that the highest note is 6.5, so a 6.5 is actually a 10 and other users must realize that at this point.

[@nathanh775]

Did you even spend 5 seconds looking at the rules? If you did you'd notice it's set up to "loosely mirror a bell curve" such that 0=most ugly physically possible and 10=most attractive physically possible

[@bec7080]

​@@nathanh775but if no one can get a 10 (they say that) and if the most beautiful women who submit only get a 6.5 and the users get a warning for over 6.5 then the REAL highest is 6.5 It's like the Truman show where technically they are going on vacation but he never is allowed to leave and go on vacation.

[@beantownbanshees]

@@nathanh77510 has no examples because they literally say almost no women like that exist. It is essentially a maximum of 9, I don’t appreciate you being condescending and acting like people don’t understand what normal curves are because they point out the flaws in a disgusting rating system.

[@ishathakor]

@@nathanh775 yeah but 10 doesn't even have any examples because they think it's physically impossible to be a 10. and in an ACTUAL bell curve situation, you would still get people being rated 9 and 9.5. the whole point is that while MOST people fall within 1 standard deviation of the mean, those higher and lower ends still exist. so like height is roughly on a bell curve and MOST people are close to the average height (within 1 standard deviation - this is 68% of people) but that leaves 32% of people being outside of that range. i'm a woman and i'm 5'2" - this is more than 1 standard deviation less than the mean height for women (5'5"). hell, there are literally women who are like 6 feet tall. or women who are under 5 feet tall. they still EXIST. back to the reddit though, the way the rules are implemented literally ban people from giving someone too high a rating. that's genuinely insane if you're trying to argue scores are normally distributed (i.e. a bell curve). you should expect to see the entire range of scores on that subreddit.

[@ColorlessSkittle]

Yo Jarvis, I am a young black man who (thank god) has not fallen into the “red pill” side of the internet, my lil bro looks up to me. I’m pretty sure I could consider myself his role model. just doing my best to make sure he doesn’t end up like a redditor.

[@megorly792]

You are doing godly work

[@LifeOfKells]

Them having DaBabys mugshot has me in literal tears🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@carmencorona8477]

this is honestly really heartbreaking to see. the literal inexistence of high ratings because of mods is just gross, especially based on their reasoning. thank you for making this a safe space jarvis!! very gold of you

[@blargenspargle]

This subreddit is definitely part of the incel community, and therefore very dangerous

[@davidedwards919]

I feel the urge to speedrun a perm ban Edit: You have to apply for flair in order to comment. Auto mod deleted all 5 of my comments

[@morganespud7432]

yeah, my thoughts exactly, as soon as he started reading those overly technical pretentious fucking descriptions my mind immediately went "this is incel talk"

[@mxmissy]

@@morganespud7432 Ditto I audibly said out loud "this is incel shit".

[@yyiyiyyiyi6837]

Apparently on the subreddit’s discord, they admitted that many men’s goal on there is to “humble” and put down women.

[@KavsLockedOut]

saw a twitter thread a couple weeks ago with leaked dms from some of the mods. the sub is explicitly made for incels to put down women. there is no question there

[@thisurldoesnotexist]

Rating other people in itself is disgusting but getting mad at other people for rating someone higher than you think they deserve is absolutely unhinged behavior. All of my friends and I are 11/10s and he'd be literally blinded by our incredibleness

[@nathanh775]

Rating people is disgusting --> literally goes on to rate self in the next paragraph

[@kingzecromatic]

​@@nathanh775have you heard of jokes?

[@keiaa9893]

@@nathanh775it’s like y’all act dumb on purpose

[@Z5Z5Z5]

Raring yourself as an 11 is not very humble of you

[@justanotherrandomtogruta3737]

​@@Z5Z5Z5 Another incel talking point you just want to date women on how much you want to fuck them and make them feel lesser so you can feel better

[@melon4249]

i like how they call "masculine features" a flaw that decreases a woman's rating but they also say that tall, slim-hipped supermodels with strong jaws and sharp features are the highest examples. it's all fucking made up and you're all beautiful

[@mooglily]

As a fellow adhd-er, closing your eyes to think better is so relatable.

[@Park_Junimo]

I think we should all go on this sub and rate everyone a 10/10 until we get kicked out 🤷🏻‍♀

[@kritzkriieg]

i actually intend on doing so

[@d25102]

have been doing that while also complimenting a specific part of them that i find pretty so they know im not just saying it for the sake of it

[@ATiredDoctor]

They are deleting them like mad!

[@JogVodka]

I was thinking theres at least one person doing that to spite the subreddit. but yeah apparently mods are quick on the draw on deleting them

[@TheNonCraftyt]

Yes, please let's do that. Let's make it as hard for them as possible and just downvote everyone who rates "according to their rules" and rate everyone 10.

[@dahlia_doofenshmirtz]

as a trans woman i feel like i was NEVER judged this much for my appearance when i was socially perceived as a guy. people just don’t really focus on it that much when it comes to men in my experience. since i came out it feels like in both directions people focus more on my appearance than anything else about me. i used to get complimented on my intelligence and ability, but now every compliment i recieve is about my physical attractiveness. as well as most insults i receive now focus on my appearance. we hold such a double standard where dudes can put in little to no effort and be treated with respect, but we get treated differently even while looking our best.

[@simanolastname2399]

Def tracks with the proportion of women to men on the subreddit. You have to scroll through a few pages to find a guy.

[@ArturGlass.C]

Trans man here, can confirm I am not as judged as I was presenting as a woman and I could now be considered less "conveniently attractive" because of my acne and weight gain than I was as a woman. It's been infuriating to see it first hand even if as a feminist I was always aware of it. People just see me as a person, it's a surreal thing to describe but it's true. As a woman I feel like people saw me as an "image" more than anything, so they'd take into account so much of my appearance and how "attractive" or not before deciding how they approached and talked to me (and that includes women). Now it feels like people just assume I'm a full person and layered individual first and foremost and my appearance only factors afterwards.

[@dahlia_doofenshmirtz]

@@ArturGlass.C when you are a man you are a person, but when you are a woman you are a body

[@Plate_Productions]

That’s because they know that you are a guy pretending to be a woman that’s why you get weird looks

[@dahlia_doofenshmirtz]

@@Plate_Productions you mfs will argue all day about what a woman is when you’ll never touch one either way

[@rindoe9253]

I recently got out of a very unhealthy friendship where the other party would constantly put labels on me and obsess about my appearance, to the point where I ended up experiencing body dysmorphia and having a very skewed perspective on the world. I was really nervous to watch this video because I thought it might bring me back to that time and make me feel that same way that he did, but watching the absurd way they rank people in actually helped-I was able to laugh off how ridiculous these people are and made me realize that that guy really wasn’t much better (which really helps diminish those lingering thoughts he made me feel about myself). I just want to say thank you for this video. I know that appearance really isn't the most important thing and is super subjective, but when it's pushed in your face all the time it becomes really hard not to fixate on and feel self-conscious about. This sort of video is nice to help step away from that.

[@lastsurprise8225]

As a bi-gender person who typically presents and am perceived as male i for one am glad that there are people like Jarvis out there to help insecure young men to accept and love themselves. Thank you for what you do Jarvis!

[@booksbydivya]

jarvis saying 'THEYRE ALL WRONG ALL THESE WOMEN ARE SO BEAUTIFUL' and calling everyone attractive is so wholesome. he's so real for that

[@seansimons1257]

honestly i feel like a majority of attractiveness is more fluid than people realize, it's not some aspect that is hard coded into your facial features or anything. like a good camera angle, nice lighting, decent clothing, and a good haircut can make anyone look more attractive.

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

And it’s also extremely personal. Like I think a bit of a tooth gap is cute but it’s considered a “flaw”

[@crazyowlgirlcncowner]

Also the way you present yourself. Some people are super attracted to confident people, others like shy people

[@honeyeggs9145]

@@crazyowlgirlcncowner exactly. my brother is attracted to women who are immature like him and funny, i'm attracted to according what he calls it now, "pathetic men" and confident funny women. looks never crossed our mind.

[@Moomoo000]

I also think personality plays a role in attractiveness too, like I never found Tom Holland that attractive until I watched spider man and all the interviews where he showed his personality and now I think he is hella attractive

[@heunam3593]

@@honeyeggs9145 pathetic men hours

[@cupriferouscatalyst3708]

It's wild how some people seem to think that scientific words create objectivity. Just because you know the medical term for thin nostrils doesn't mean it's more than a personal preference, you just found a snobbier way to express it.

[@ericaploof998]

Woman here, I am so, SO glad you're making a space to help men like this. It not only helps them, but also helps women in the process and I hope some day that channels like yours will be the norm and any other channel will be ignored or shunned completely by the majority.

[@olyally]

I remember guys in my middle school pulling this rating crap, we had the best vice principal in the world and he shut it down so fast. Luckily most of us girls had already recognized how gross it was and banded together, particularly around those who’d been given lower ratings. But Mr. Chamberlain literally pulled our whole grade out of class, and explained why it was such a fucked up thing to do, and that if it continued, there’d be massive consequences. That was close to 15 years ago now, and he died in 2020 from Covid. He is dearly missed and will always be one of the brightest lights during the hard times I had as a young teen. We need more men like him in this world. Thank you for being one of them Jarvis

[@shonenjumpmagneto]

The kids implementing that "game" or whatever are probably the Right Wingers who killed him by ignorantly spreading Covid

[@n4z1f4]

This is why I feel like a good educaters are so important and can seriously impact a child's adult life. Like imagine if he had let it continue, all those girls with low ratings would have been so insecure. And all those boys who are rating would have the mindset that their opinions on women's bodies and look matter.

[@risxra]

Omg this comment reminded me that this happened at my middle school too, a little over 10 years ago. Wow, I had NO recollection of that. I don’t even remember what platform we used to spread that kind of shit, but I know it was out there. I think we all just kind of ignored it because it was juvenile and clearly created with malicious intent, but I also was never even close to the center of these things, so maybe it got worse than I ever saw it. Our administration wasn’t nearly that active, unfortunately, but I love a good story of faculty actually being good people and caring about their students’ wellbeing. 💛

[@HeisenbergFam]

1:37 the fact redditor is called "trusted rater" and goes on a rant is insane, if this subreddit goes down nothing of value would be lost

[@deadlyqueenhasaweakness9118]

If reddit goes down, nothing would be lost

[@madysonandres9571]

@@deadlyqueenhasaweakness9118 I mean they do provide actual reviews on products and not bot reviews.

[@willful1185]

It would be a net positive, honestly

[@jc-zt9uw]

fr

[@noelh9842]

​@@deadlyqueenhasaweakness9118 How am I supposed to troubleshoot my very niche technical problems without reddit😭. Only reason reddit works better is sheer size of users.

[@moo645]

the mod saying that theirs no way op can be a 9 when 1 in 1mil isn't even that small of a percentage in comparison to how many ppl are alive. like. they just wanna put down women even if they're conventionally attractive. it's disgusting and pathetic.

[@jeremyhart3668]

As someone who has struggled a lot with these thoughts in the past, and had a particularly bad day for it today, it is honestly so validating to hear from other people who've also experienced this. Especially as a person who also internalized all the negative thoughts about myself and cannot interpret any evidence to the contrary as anything but someone lying for my sake. It leads down a road of self sabotage and loneliness, and just because it you don't lash out at others with it, does not make it an effective coping strategy. I really appreciate you talking about your experiences, it means a lot

[@somecat225]

As someone who has struggled with facial dysmorphia for most of my life, I can't IMAGINE what hell I'd experience if I'd ever put (or found) my own face on here. It's so harmful to conform or even listen to "standards" set by society in terms of beauty. Anyone and everyone is beautiful in their own way, never mind how they physically look. Even in terms of things that we find unnatural (old men posing shirtless, old women in bikinis), the fact that there is any sort of pushback to how anyone looks is, quite frankly, horrific. Although I'm a firm believer in never judging appearances, I always forget that notion when I look in the mirror.

[@trybunt]

We are always hardest on ourselves, judging ourselves or comparing to others, but these habits only lead to unhealthy thoughts imo. Best to accept ourselves, make some effort to appear the way we want to, but if we dwell on how we are perceived, we will always be unhappy. Partially because ultimately we can't change how others perceive us (so worrying about that is like getting upset at the sun for going behind a cloud), and partially because our guess about how we are being perceived is probably wrong (so worrying about that is like being upset because we think Christmas is cancelled when it's not).

[@eldritchteletubby9319]

I've had that a lot before. A few things that helped me a lot: Thinking about my face, but on one of my friends, and thinking about how I would perceive my own looks in that context. "You're not unattractive. You're just not your type."

[@cloudstrife4534]

@@eldritchteletubby9319That’s a really good way of thinking about this! I never thought about it like that.

[@damienearl8302]

Exactly! And I thankfully haven't seen a lot of it here, but in situations like these, I often see a lot of people blaming the people who use platforms like these because "if you can't handle criticism, you shouldn't use it!", as if it's impossible for someone at a point in their life where they're questioning their looks to seek validation from a place that, on paper, promises fair ratings on how you look Then in reality, most people are going to get barely above mediocre at best because the mods warn people for posting anything over that, it's just...well, is predatory the right word here?

[@kevinboros7427]

Unfortunately, in society good looking people really do have a massive advantage. It's simply the way that it is. We just have to accept this reality and move on with our lives, since dwelling on this fact won't change anything.

[@Avendesora]

You can tell none of these people have ever looked at a supermodel from the neck up lmao. Unique faces are highly sought after in that industry, it's a whole big thing.

[@avahenson4565]

I remember this one photo of two models , one with the “darkest skin tone in the world” and the other with the “lightest skin tone in the world” (in quotes because that is what was claimed, I don’t know if it is factual) The images were stunning. It really opened my eyes to the art-form of human photography. A very unique and beautiful look, achieved with the consent of them models of course. I think there is a lot of beauty in the diversity of our species and your comment reminded me of that the same why these photos did years ago.

[@AS-fi7hc]

11:50 I totally understand that feeling of being “lucky” for turning those negative feelings inward. It sounds weird but there’s truth to that idea. I definitely did this when I was younger and it was incredibly painful and difficult to make it through but now that I look back I’m able to see my past self with empathy, understanding, and love. Whereas if while looking back at that time I saw someone who took those feelings, projected them outward, and in the process caused a lot of pain to other people it would be a different story. I’d still feel some sympathy because I would understand what I was going through to get myself to that point but I think the greater feeling would be shame, guilt, and further self loathing. I hope even people like that get the chance to heal and become better people but I think it’s just a much more beautiful and positive process to get to the point where you want to help yourself and make things right for your hurt “inner child” vs trying to make things right for the people you harmed when it honestly might be too little too late. Idk it’s a difficult topic, but my point is that you won’t look back and regret being kind to others and maybe in the process you’ll learn to be kinder to yourself

[@melissawiens1422]

Honestly, the first step in my journey to self-confidence was to step talking badly about myself. I stopped making the self-deprecating jokes and started complimenting people if I liked something they were wearing or doing. You have to put out good energy into the world if you want good energy around you

[@JayLikesSoup]

The fact that they put Sandra Oh as a 3.0 and said she was unattractive automatically throws out any credibility they could ever have.

[@corneliastreet2491]

Listen, I am against objectifying women, but we all know what the Oh stands for. That woman is highkey fineeee

[@mokymode1206]

bro is blind

[@krabiat]

Literally gasped when I saw that and it made me realise like, oh. None of this actually means anything. Ok.

[@sappsz1293]

absolutely no way. she is so gorgeous

[@dennismonk9559]

I never found her attractive at all. 3 is too low, 5 sounds about right.

[@hollyehr]

My brother and I were talking about beauty standards and stuff and we both agreed we couldnt think of a single person we thought was "ugly." There were people we didnt personally find attractive, but nobody that was unattractive.

[@johku7638]

I feel like it's a tell of a mean person when someone "rates" other people ugly or in general are interested in picking apart other people's face and body. Like when they meet new people, their first instinct is to pick apart what is "wrong" with them and how other people are "below" them. That's not how nice, happy people operate!

[@itzsharon3570]

I went on this sub and rated everyone 10/10 and got banned

[@bisma9899]

I remember my self-hating middle school self asking a male classmate to rate me and my friends. He rated me a 4, another girl a 5, and two other girls 3s. The fact that I was relieved that I was somewhere in the middle? Atrocious. I felt RELIEVED that at least I wasn’t a 3. I’m in my 20s now. I still deal with self-image issues. I don’t like having pictures of my face taken. If someone takes a picture of me, I avoid looking at it afterwards and literally walk away. Sometimes I think I have facial dysmorphia. And this isn’t even touching the fact that I’m a brown woman in a society dominated by Eurocentric beauty standards, or that plastic surgery has become so normalized (and even lied about) these days. Anyway, I have my own journey to continue on. I think faking it till you make it is what might work for me. I just want to thank you Jarvis, for your vulnerability and compassion in this video because the institutions in this world profit off of our self-hatred. I was going through the rateme guides on Reddit and I felt sick. Every single person in this world has their own story, family, interests, and heart. Reducing them to their worst or best photos is very sad. The other day I was rating myself (not using that Reddit guide yikes, according to that I don’t even wanna know what I would be), thinking that I’m usually a 5/10, at best a 6. And you know what? That’s so unhealthy. I know I am worthy of love. I know I have a lot to offer. I don’t ever want to think in terms of rating people’s appearances again. I am so so sick of this mentality. I’m writing a piece on the relationship between ego and insecurity. I’m tired of being so obsessed with self-pity, in a way. I’m tired of making life so difficult to live. I just want to live, be my best self, and help others. ❤️

[@wirepenn2064]

Jarvis talking about how he used to deal with so much insecurity and he wants to reach an audience of guys that are following that path so that they don’t inflict more harm on others - especially women - made me cry. Thank you Jarvis.

[@lasagna.estranja]

This. I was really moved by his words.

[@Zombina638]

U prob not

[@onceupona.ruby6754]

The over rating thing is so gross. It’s like if you don’t have the same opinion as the the mods then you’re wrong. Because of course in their minds opinions can be false 🤦‍♀️ I can’t imagine interacting IRL with anyone that engages in this awful, super judgmental behavior.

[@profileuser5845]

and like people have pointed out, it's not even a real opinion/rating that the mods share. it all feels so fake circle-jerk-y about degrading women just for the sake of degrading them

[@nicor3612]

thats because you can't interact with them IRL. They never leave their couch, just typing away at reddit so you'll never encounter one anywhere but online

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

It's like one meme I saw that said: "Overrated? Of course I know what it is, something overrated is something everyone loves but I don't"

[@roseashkiiii4361]

Let's go spam 10/10 for everyone

[@Cookiekeks]

It's not a subreddit for opinions.. That's the whole point of it... Why so close minded, seriously?

[@Lunky933]

the thing I hate most about these things is that your gut instinct is to just get rid of it, but if you do that then another version of it will just pop up that's less accessible, but worse, and that will allow them to be even more vile with things. then the impressionable people who have fallen for it so far will just follow and become even more indoctrinated.

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

This reminds me of the time I found out some random person had taken pictures of me and posted them in one of these subreddits. I still can’t imagine what would have motivated them to do that.

[@shart6275]

its so hilarious that they ban people for not being absolutely brutal about womens "attractiveness"

[@daalimbe]

"be more misogynistic!!! stop appreciating people for being themselves!!!! three strikes and you're out buddy!!!"

[@katipop2]

@@homerj.simpson2514 oh! this is why you’re going on a harassment crusade right now. you’re butthurt. maybe you should suck it up?

[@shart6275]

@@homerj.simpson2514 Yeah...but also women don't create entire subreddits to judge people's every single flaw. Are you really defending that..?

[@Emh19]

As much as i would never advocate for bullying, all these mods should be forced to have their pictures uploaded to the sub and be absolutely obliterated because by their own rankings i doubt they are even reaching Ed Sheeran.

[@jupitertheplanet.]

i dont advocate for bullying either... but the mods deserve it

[@ambersmith2612]

I advocate for bullying because people don’t feel enough shame these days (j)

[@LeBatteur]

@@ambersmith2612 I mean we’re only semi-joking here, aren’t we. Unfortunately some people only understand one language, and it’s getting their block knocked in until they realize it isn’t profitable to be a complete sh!tstain.

[@Anna-pe6hb]

there is no way anyone who's a mod on a site like this has a good relationship with their own body image. incels dont just hate women, they hate themselves too. i doubt i could ever tell any incel anything half as mean as the stuff they're already thinking about themselves (not that i would want to either way)

[@LeBatteur]

@@Anna-pe6hb True, and they need to figure that out in a therapist's office, not by projecting it all over everyone else. But either way- they need to shut the hell up. And they'll probably only do that if they're too scared to be an asshole.

[@mrsox87]

You’re a good guy Jarvis, seems like you’re setting a good example and want to make a difference.

[@anakinskywalker846]

What’s the point of a voting system if high votes can be vetoed when the mods don’t agree?

[@reloreo2899]

It is so obvious that the "raters" on this subreddit try to use big words and "scientific" language to sound like they are authorities on attractiveness. In reality they just sound really stupid. It is so sad that these men spend their free time rating women's attractiveness instead of actually having a life. As always it's a joy to see your perspective on things like this Jarvis. That and laugh at people being ridiculous

[@mr.dankestdank7372]

People willingly post on their subreddit to be judged by their rules of objectivity. There’s a chart and anyone can see the the rules they go by. And the chart was made by a common consensus that all judges can generally agree with (of course it’s subjective, but the point is to try and objectify it as much as possible, to get a “true” rating) If you disagree with the chart, don’t post. If you’re curious of your rating with this sub’s parameters, then go ahead.

[@regretfulraccoon3560]

Its legit just eugenics pseudoscience pretending to be objectivity.

[@zermanman9891]

Dude they rate men too

[@SQUDSNPR]

That’s just Reddit lmao. Everyone thinks they’re in a battle of the brains all the time on there it’s crazy

[@theonetheycallheadspace2899]

​@@mr.dankestdank7372no they're trying to gaslight women

[@Oatmilk345]

Thanks Jarvis as a male who is very insecure and has almost fallen down the red pill / black pill rabbit holes, your content does a good job at keeping me level headed and thinking critically instead of with my emotions. Your advice on confidence is very reassuring. Love ya

[@shizzlemywizzle1]

Glad to see that you’re here and didn’t go towards that darkness! Very miserable on that side. Hope that youre feeling a bit better now :)

[@VRCommy]

Hope your doing ok bro, we are genuinely lucky to have Jarvis right? Love from Aus 🤙🏼 🇦🇺

[@agoosed3281]

Things will get better, buddy. All we can do is try to be a kinder person today than we were yesterday. Good luck out there, y’all.

[@jadesfromjupiter7780]

seriously rooting for you. please don’t give up! i’ve struggled and continue to struggle so deeply with insecurities too. we’ve got this 💪

[@megasuperdog]

TAKE OUR HAND BROTHER STAY UP HERE DONT LET GO

[@dinofrog926]

13:32 They aren't even consistent in their own fucked up scale? This just shows that the subreddit is pure garbage.

[@abberistired]

I love how fluidly beauty "standards" change and how objective people think it is people look like people just because someone has a preference for aesthetics does not mean that is the universal truth hgfhjhgk

[@plushwishes]

I saw a similar community on Reddit before and it was sad , not to mention undertones of eugenics and racism

[@Higongeous]

Nah, they’re OVERtones

[@christiebreeechelon]

You know Jarvis is dead serious when he talks with his eyes closed. You are a lovely young man. I hope my son grows up to be as amazing as you.

[@Isa-154]

Thats like one of the sweetest compliments I've ever heard

[@jacobjenkins7362]

if someone told me they wanted their child to grow up to be like me i would probably cry half for the compliment, the other half would be because that would be an awful child

[@CaptainLekko]

Thanks for the personal share, Jarvis, been in a similar place myself and that hit me hard. I think your content does appeal to straight, cis dudes, approaching topics like this with honesty and without being argumentative is the right way to do it. You won't win them over with one video, but if they see you're being open and willing to engage, eventually they'll come around. I've been in a similar place to you, thankfully having enough friends around me that I didn't go down the hating women route, and I'm still trying to 'fake it till I make it' with my confidence issues. Heck, I'm still trying to land my first real date - I believe I'm a similar age to you, which makes the idea I'm still yet to go on a first first date kinda terrifying. Without wanting to get too personal in this public forum, the one thing I struggle with in your content is that whilst everything you say is true, it simply isn't working for me. Like, I don't have friends with single female friends, the dating apps seem to be dead-ends, the conversations I do have seem to end for no reason... I've asked people for advice and all they can tell me is I'm doing the right things and eventually it'll work out, but it's been several years and there's only so much I can work on myself before it becomes frustrating that things aren't working out. I don't really know how I would change your content to address that, I guess I just wanted to provide a perspective I don't see talked about much.

[@ionakana9689]

I really love content like this video, and it is both meaningful and impactful that you choose to approach everything from a place of respect for all people, understanding people, knowing people from all walks of life. I'd attain great pleasure taking a dump on this subreddit, though the mod would probably delete me in seconds haha. For young men, it's so easy to fall into these negative ways of thinking, you are absolutely right. Insecurity, resentment, social expectations, etc. can breed those bitter habits and negative behaviors that put everybody down, including one's self. I admire you holding a door open for those dealing with these internal conflicts to reach out. I've certainly dealt with issues of self-esteem, heartbreak, general anxiety, and I understand how those circumstances can lead so easily down paths of cynicism and animosity. It's a journey. Many of us are struggling, or feeling alone in the world, and that isolation can send us to dark or harmful places real fast. Why didn't it work out? Why don't people like me? Is there something wrong with me? Did I use the wrong words or do the wrong things? I've heard these questions in my head all throughout life, I'm sure most of us have and continue to. We're human and we're learning. I just wish more young men could feel safe in vulnerability. Only just discovered the channel and I love it!

[@kurou_34]

I'm straight young male with insecurities and depression and I like your videos Jarvis 🖤. I hold your opinions in high regard and I think you're very smart and insightful and you've helped me. I definitely internalize your moral messages and have been listening to you for almost 6 years

[@Higongeous]

Take pride in yourself for this It takes strength to find a good role model while fighting self-doubt, so I heavily encourage patting yourself on the back

[@anotherstorm]

that is so sweet!! i wish you well dear, and remember we do the best we can with what we have xx

[@hunimoonz]

go king go ! you got a bright future

[@louiseb6111]

Well, you've already put yourself in a good stead. So, you're going to be fine. A fine gent, I'd say. Sending you all the hugs. He's a good roll model and probably the best there is as he's using his standing the right way and giving the RIGHT influence. Gotta love Jarvis! ❤🥰👌

[@thatlycantomboy]

Jarvis being so empathetic but then tapping out once he saw these people don’t think halle bailey is attractive is why I respect him tbh

[@anhelaanhela4996]

She has a hammerhead shark thing going on so they were lowkey right on this one lol.

[@8makes1team81]

@@anhelaanhela4996oh goodness, please take a break from the screen.

[@rawsalmon03]

@@8makes1team81truly, she's so gorgeous. no need to be rude even if you don't think so..

[@anhelaanhela4996]

​@@8makes1team81 Maybe you should take a break from the screen and realize that just because someone's a celebrity and everyone worships them online, on TV and in magazines doesn't automatically mean they're beautiful. Just because the media says she's beautiful and lots of people repeat it doesn't make it true, that woman's face looks deformed, y'all been gaslit.

[@thatlycantomboy]

@@anhelaanhela4996 Are you good??? you seem to have missed the ENTIRE point of the video which is that! beauty is subjective! there’s no reason to be rude about this. that little description you used makes you seem like you’re on the same level as the insecure vultures who use that sub, and that’s not a good look dude

[@Shirumoon]

Thank you so much about talking about your personal experiences! I'm the same way with dates (though not only because of my looks), especially queer dates with other women. My confidence goes out the window and it's so painful to think of yourself as not good enough compared to the literal stranger sitting across the table. I hope everyone who's in the same boat manages to find their way out and to love themselves just a tiny little bit.

[@MetalChocoboGirl]

the aside about not feeling self-worth and subscribing to unrealistic standards was really real and touching and very much an appreciated moment in this video. worth is not defined by an arbitrary number ❤

[@delta_atled]

People have become so hyper obsessed with facial structure and layout lately. I can't help but notice it's correlated with sharply increasing levels of transphobia and people's attempts to "clock" trans people using these insane facial feature measurements. People are getting way too comfortable judging other people based on appearance.

[@karak962]

was JUST thinking about that.

[@crystalwhisp]

Yeah like those conspiracy theories that say all celebrities (especially female ones) are trans and part of the illuminati just cuz of how they look. It's just another way to justify their transphobic Bs!

[@Eden21425]

Yeah, it's so fucked up and harmful, shit like that is the reason I think about getting ffs alot, not because I need it for myself, but society seems to need it to accept me.

[@mrnobodyatallnoneed]

As a trans man, this makes me incredibly sad. I just wanna live my life, man, and not be scanned by transphobes every time I go out.

[@Eden21425]

@@mrnobodyatallnoneed same as an enbie that just doesn't want their gender assumed and be put in a stupid box, I'm sorry bro. I hope this society changes soon.

[@notaperson9831]

I *cannot* overstate how upset this subreddit makes me.

[@slothfarm5994]

young man here, i have always felt welcome and have always appreciated your content. i resonated when you said you were "one of the good ones" growing up. keep on doing you bud and the karma will sort itself out.... or at least thats what i tell myself

[@anakinskywalker846]

“You see more attractive women at-- I’m going to become the Joker”

[@huhwhatwhy]

Of course redditors think they're the most trusted source on beauty😭

[@FEED_ME_A_STRAY_CAT]

Dunning-Kruger effect

[@tsumixi]

As someone with facial dysmorphia, looking in the mirror makes me feel disgusting. So if I’m already insecure why would I post my face and ask randoms on the internet to rate me, And that subreddit is gonna make people, who are literally gorgeous, hate themselves for no reasons. Just because some random sweaty guys have them a number. That sucks.

[@missMoh1811]

It makes more sense that these a burner accounts made by incels. No one with BD would and def should NOT do this.

[@smeeghead]

facial dysmorphia gang rise upp

[@missMoh1811]

Definitely get a knock picasso for our banner

[@missMoh1811]

Knock-off

[@belijah1473]

great advice for developing confidence. it’s a slow process, but as someone who likes who they are for the first time in a long time, it’s totally worth it

[@gingersrevenge]

jarvis thank you for sharing for your personal experience, you have a really mature perspective that you’ve earned.

[@kaemincha]

Jarvis, I'm really proud of you for attempting to be a good influence for young men. You very much are a great example of a compassionate and uplifting person!

[@SaraSalminen]

My body dysmorphia is screaming for me to get on this subreddit and get rated and body/facecheck, but like pleaseee if you relate don’t do it! As proven whatever you look like doesn’t matter to these people, and you’ll never get a high rating anyways. Also yeah we gotta remember it’s dysmorphia that makes us feel unattractive.

[@kphoria1009]

literally it’s like i want validation even if it’s someone possibly confirming that i’m ugly

[@SaraSalminen]

@@kphoria1009 I understand.. but you know both these people and your view of yourself are the ugly things, not you! I know it’s so hard to believe but it’s a fact

[@thaloblue]

I have pretty bad body dysmorphia and when it was at its worst, I was almost obsessed with this subreddit. Never got the courage to post a selfie, but looking back on it I'm actually glad I was too nervous to. It wouldn't have done one good thing for me. And they're not actually objective, like very obviously this is an incel subreddit, so my mind's whispers to me about "well what if you knew your real number though?" isn't a real thing that would happen. We would be negged in the hopes that it would make us hate ourselves so much that we'd be more likely to date redpill pigs. No thanks.

[@SaraSalminen]

@@thaloblue I’m sorry for your body dysmorphia, hang in there! And exactly.. that is so true. Losers all around. Glad you got free from that!

[@laurie8857]

So true! I totally see the allure even though it's clearly a trap. When I was dating I personally found my attractiveness was much closer linked to my extroversion and confidence levels than my actual physical appearance though.

[@Forestilling]

I don't know how Jarvis has managed to make such consistently incredible content for 4 years while looking and speaking almost exactly like my brother.

[@LordTrav_]

I appreciate that Jarvis was trying to share a very personal moment with us, but when he said "When I was a young boy" my brain assumed his father took him to the city, to see a marching band...

[@noelmaycry]

SAME

[@greendoritoman2464]

HE SAID SON WHEN YOU GROW UP, WILL YOU BE THE SAVIOUR OF THE BEATEN, THE BROKEN AND THE DAMNED?

[@sfglim5341]

Lmao wasnt expecting a MCR reference in the comments