This topic defeats every Flat Earther. Don't come to a gunfight with an empty holster kids.

[@sphericalearth1205]

It isn’t the empty holster that is the flerfer’s problem; it is the empty heads.

[@shaneeslick]

Both Empty 😂, But their mouth is full of 💩

[@Sherwoody]

Flatearther: Woolfie pressing us for a flight plan. Here’s the plan… 1. We talk about nose dipping 2. We gotta have R for that 3. We try to bring up visible vs apparent 4. Black Swan 5. Now we take flight That’s the flight plan we stick to.

[@iandobbin8068]

How can they crash and burn so often, without knowing where they are supposed to be crashing and burning? As a pilot, is there a code for Flerfer on board, besides the legs hanging out the overhead storage ?

[@grahvis]

They will be the one with the bubble level, waiting for it to show the aircraft going round the curve, if there was one.

[@evannoynaert]

I am convinced that most true-believing flat earthers are attracted to very simplistic practical models. They do not like the complexity of real-world math. They do not like abstract constructs. What they want to believe in is what they can see out their window or while standing in their yard. They want extreme simplicity in their science. They are not going to do something like flight planning because it involves math at levels above simple addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. Some don't want to go beyond addition.

[@nickg3946]

I know one personally. Fits this description 100%. What I can’t reconcile is his fervent belief in a magical, imaginary deity who apparently intercedes on his behalf and speaks to him through a big old book filled with pseudo science and contradiction. The human mind is both terrifying and fascinating

[@davidonsea5355]

I love maps and flight info and stuff, but more than anything I like how Wolfie totally destrys the myth of FE. I wish more people would boost this and support Wolfie as he singlehandedly provides teh strongest proof of a globe.

[@tbrown3356]

Your strong argument debunked: Basic Calculations Time T = D/GS. To find the time (T) in flight, divide the distance (D) by the GS. ... Distance D = GS X T. To find the distance flown in a given time, multiply GS by time. ... GS GS = D/T. To find the GS, divide the distance flown by the time required.  Basic Calculations - Flight Literacy

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks David. Aviation is an easy way to destroy Flat Earth.

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

@@timothyp.southwick6542 - that's all you have? Lies and attempts at character assassination? Not very "godly" of you for someone professing to be a Christian in every single video you have uploaded. Isn't there some commandment about not lying? 😉 So sad that you would risk your afterlife by "bearing false witness" against someone to try and defend your anti-science beliefs. Just as Skiba how well his science denail worked out for him.

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

@@timothyp.southwick6542 - it doesn't hurt me at all to point out a lying hypocrite. Now run along sweetie, your flearf masters don't want you playing outside their echo chamber.

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

@@timothyp.southwick6542 - the fool here is the flearf. Go ahead and keep lying, since you gotta lie to flearf

[@IonianGarden]

Any topic defeats every flat earther. Even flat earth defeats them.

[@dogwalker666]

So true.

[@arctic_haze]

You beat me to this comment. Exactly!

[@sphaera2520]

Fe itself is a fe liability.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Thanks, Bob.

[@mikep9604]

Reality is a big problem for them. For example, now Rachie 00000 made a video about the recent Lunar eclipse because she doesn't understand how it works, and because she thinks that "the moon is not lit by the sun." Classic behaviour for flat earthers to deny the actual scientific knowledge and think that they are smarter than professional astronomers.

[@fepeerreview3150]

It's so cool to see the old flight maps. For me it's just as much of a treat as seeing the amazing HUD technology. Lambert conic projection - I've been thinking, for my next set of videos, of showing circles and great circle routes on a globe and showing what they look like on the various maps based on flat projections, as a way of demonstrating the kinds of distortions involved in making flat maps of a curved surface.

[@John.0z]

For me, that would be a very interesting video. Probably not so much for the flat earth crowd. But then I am not fixated on just one projection system - and I actually read the projection information page in an Atlas. Yet I am not a surveyor.

[@RockinRobbins13]

I like it. It's much more interesting to show how unexpected and fascinating the truth is than to rebut a bunch of unskillful science denialists. That's why I like Wolfie's channel so much. He goes way beyond insulting the Flatopian Fraudsters. Same for your channel. Keep up the great work, both of you and a long list of scientifically inclined channels!

[@Trevor_Austin]

You might as well include the Polar Stereographic Projection, the one that used to be used (in the days before GPS) for navigation in polar regions. A “compare and contrast” with the idiots’ map would be very interesting.

[@richardbell7678]

Given the existence of the animated short film "The Impossible Map" [ kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ20fZ2Br7-VrJY ], you might be able to get the NFB to sponsor it, if you were planning on animating the videos. The NFB is very big on expanding and preserving animation techniques.

[@John.0z]

@@richardbell7678 Thank you for the reference Richard. It does not take high technology to present good ideas well; just some creativity.

[@fhmconsulting4982]

They cant de-bunk because Rule 2: "Flerfer dont spreadsheet"

[@dogwalker666]

Wolfie6020 shows up in Airwolf, Flurfs show up with a half eaten crayon.

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Emma & Wolfie, So nice of you to let Daddy Post a Video on your Channel Emma 😁, Funny how all the Flat Earthers who tell you 'Wolfie you are Wrong & know nothing about Flight Planning' also say the Reason they can't make a Flight Plan other than pointing at 2 places on a Map is because they are not a Pilot. Ps My friend in Melbourne who's Husband lost his job due to CV & wasn't expecting to Fly again, looks like he'll be back in the air soon 🎉🥳

[@kennylex]

There is a subject that scare flat-earthers even more and that is the geographic coordinate system, on a flat earth it had been easier to use squares of the same size to make a map, but for some reason flerfs still use a map with the geographic coordinate system with a center on the north pole, the result of that is that they have a coordinate system without any right angles, and that is why it is impossible for flat earthers to create a own map from scratch.

[@phillipkidd762]

Nah... Australia is a much scarier concept for flerfs. The distance between the east and west coasts is accurately known. The latitude and longitude of the east and west coast is also accurately known. Flerfs can get one right or the other. Does that worry them... nope just ignore the slight problem of not knowing the location and size of a whole continent ... or better still just ignore the scary Australia.

[@davidonsea5355]

@@phillipkidd762 So true. Another problem for the FEs as pointed out at the end there obliquely is where is 'south' in their pizza model. It cannot be 'everywhere' pointing at any part of their magical ice wall that apparently no-one can visit yet thousands of civvies visit on cruises every year, etc etc. They hate teh southern hemisphere because it highlights the ridiculous nature of their arguments, hence denils. Well I have travelled to NZ and Australia and can confirm they are both ethere, that they have star systems like the southern cross that are not visible from Europe, from China, from Brunei or teh Philippines (yeah actually visited all those too) so all those who say 'it doesn't exist' or 'you have to see it with your own eyes, well, yes, I have. You Flerths are all blathering id**tsand the leaders are corrupt because they probably know the truth but love the exposure and $s they get from being deniers, and thats why they won't offer real proofs or a consistent model, because they cannot.

[@ReinoGoo]

There is right angles everywhere - between the west and the east side, the north and the south side and the up and the down side. There is also right angles between the equator and the poles, and between the tropic and the polar circle on the other side of the equator or the pole.

[@ReinoGoo]

There is right angles everywhere - between the west and east side, the north and south side, and the up and down side. There is also right angles between the equator and the poles, and between the tropic and the polar circle on the other side of the equator or the pole.

[@ReinoGoo]

There is also a right angle between zenith and the astronomical horizon, but not between zenith and the horizon. A horizon is 90 degrees from zenith on the horizon.

[@RockinRobbins13]

No mercy. No "graceful" escape possibility. Ruthless enforcement. Those are the unalterable conditions under which we venture into the air on a transoceanic or even long distance over land flight. Failure to admit Earth is spherical would result in death every single time. Pilots like to live.

[@theturtlemoves3014]

Little miss Wolfie can find South, the Mitchel juniors can find South, yet flat earthers think it's everywhere?

[@questex4340]

I have seen a 7500 occasionally on the hardstand at YSCB. Didn't reaiise it might have been you . Love how you are dismantaling the Flerf narrative

[@MrUnknown7212]

He is a liar caught up in his lies . Eye level is always at the horizon. He fakes all his videos. He shill . kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ_bp4Zvjat9pKc

[@joecantdance494]

@@MrUnknown7212 You'd know all about lying wouldn't you?

[@BobtheScienceGuy]

Wolfe. I am happy to give a flight planning class to anyone that wants to learn

[@Wolfie6020]

I tried it with Sleepy. I started with Basic Aeronautical Knowledge. He was totally stumped by the lift formula. I treated him just as I would any student. Asking the same progress questions. He forgot Velocity is squared in the lift formula for the first question. I corrected him on that with a bit of remedial instruction. On the next question he failed it the same way. Not applying velocity squared. When I chided him for not paying attention he disappeared. It further reinforced my opinion he suffers from dyscalculia.

[@Wolfie6020]

@Q Branch I had simplified the lift equation for the purpose of the questions to Lift = Angle of Attack x Velocity squared First question. The aircraft is flying at 200 Knots and generating 1000 kg of lift. While maintaining a constant angle of attack the speed is reduced to 100 Knots. How much lift is generated. Correct answer is 250 kg, he said 500. The next question was, to maintain level flight if speed is halved how much should the angle of attack increase. He said twice, correct answer is four times. I then asked him if he wants to learn or keep getting the basic stuff wrong. He disappeared. We were doing it on unlisted videos but Wally was lurking and sending me his (correct) answers by text while Sleepy was getting them wrong. I actually pitied him as it showed me he really has a problem with Math.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Bob, I've been offering to teach any flatty a free education on navigation. Can you guess how many takers?

[@eileendover3938]

I would LOVE to learn, Bob! Please do one!

[@Wolfie6020]

I forgot to mention that I offered to pay for Brian's Logic to attend a local flying school for their PPL Theory course at my cost. There were no strings attached except that he show me the results of his exams to prove he had taken them. He declined.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

It's almost as if flerfs know they're wrong.

[@profphilbell2075]

I can't wait to teach my new grandson Lucas, just 4 weeks old,

[@eileendover3938]

Congratulations!!

[@slysparkane808]

I like the FE vs Flights argument that presupposes that just because 2 airports exist, then there MUST be routine direct passenger airline flights between them.. and if there is not, then that must mean something to prove FE.. not taking in to account the business side of the industry where if there is no regular demand for such flights between 2 specific airports.. there will not be a regular route..

[@izaomar8416]

The mere existence of Wolfie debunks flat earth.

[@RichWoods23]

The fact that Wolfie's ancestors were able to get to Australia without getting lost in the Indian or the Pacific debunks the Flat Earth.

[@misterjoerg8086]

My holster is never empty. And by holster i mean bladder. The disadvantage of being midfifty-ish. XD

[@jormungandr9251]

Ok this is funny.

[@mschedler4984]

I resemble that remark... sadly.

[@jamescollins8397]

Flerfers will never, EVER commit themselves to a reasonable challenge.... *they* know they are unarmed.... *we* know they are unarmed.... & thus, the challenge will always remain unanswered! It's a bit like asking a flerfer to think logically.... it's quite simply never going to happen!

[@mikefochtman7164]

Right. And FLERFs love to put out 'challenges' that are totally non-falsifiable nonsense. Like, 'show me a picture of the curve without using 'fake space satellites' or other tripe.

[@thudthud5423]

Flat Earth con men follow the philosophy that "I can win any argument by lying." I think that's where FE debunkers make a mistake - thinking that Flat Earthers are "stupid and wrong". FE con men KNOW they are wrong. You can argue with FEers regarding facts, but if those FEers understand and agree with those facts while claiming to reject them, arguing those facts with them is an absolute waste of time. The key to arguing with FE con men is to point out their dishonesty and focus on their dishonesty.

[@Adrobiel]

One thing I found is that they always claim that our calculations "Pre-suppose" a globe earth so you can never win with them anyway, though we kind of knew that anyway. Arguing with a flat earther is as always like playing chess with a pidgeon.

[@thudthud5423]

@@Adrobiel Flat Earthers always "pre-suppose" the Earth being flat. They will continue to "pre-suppose" the Earth being flat even when shown mountains and mountains of evidence to the contrary.

[@0LoneTech]

They don't show up with an empty holster. They show up without one, claiming they can't be expected to make a holster because they don't know what shape whatever goes in it would have, if it even had a shape.

[@gradplanner]

HEY!!!! A flight plan from Universal Weather and Aviation!!! I work there in the flight planning department!

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Flight plan? You're going to need a functional map for that.

[@Wolfie6020]

They are not even working on that anymore. Flat Earth is so dead.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

They are probably afraid that if they try to make a world map, they will learn that the Earth isn't flat.

[@boterlettersukkel]

A globe and a piece of string will do ;)

[@earthrise3672]

Yes, we did flight planning in the first year of Aviation, which in the 1970s, was an elective course in our local High Schools that upon graduation (4 yrs) you earn a private pilot license. It's a shame the program was discontinued due to lack of interest in 1977.

[@profphilbell2075]

I absolutely love your instructive videos regardless of flat earth idiots. Of course, there is no flat earther with sufficient intelligence to actually produce a flight plan.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Phil.

[@jormungandr9251]

Way too many numbers, for sure.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@Wolfie6020 This wide-bodied jet flight to Antarctica has been in the news. I did not anticipate that there would be enough rich people desiring to freeze their ass off to fill an A340. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXO1iWaHf69jgMk

[@MeppyMan]

@@Mandelbrot_Set awesome vid. My mum went to Antarctica in her 70s on a boat. It’s on my bucket list, but I definitely prefer the idea of flying (so long as Erebus gets a wide berth).

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@MeppyMan My limited research indicates that most of the cruise ships never go south of the Antarctic Circle so you will not experience the midnight Sun that destroys flat Earth.

[@WoodworkerDon]

Much like Wolfie flying over the top of a thunderstorm, the understanding and acceptance of avionics will go whoosh right over the heads of Flerfs.

[@paidnasashill2150]

Could you have Emma show Riley and Oakley where "down" is?

[@sammyk7024]

I think using spreadsheets and formulas to explain flight planning to flat-earthers could be considered cruelty, in some cultures.

[@mrxexes]

Question: Can you explain aircraft flight planning and is always done with a globe and never a flat earth map? Flat earth, classic retort: Well, I admit I am not an expert on the subject, but I've heard arguments on both sides, so the argument can go either way, but I will look into it. Can we move on? (they will never look into it or ever address the matter, EVER!). Conclusion: all discussions, debates, or interactions with flat earther are nothing but marketing ploys or as I like to call it Flatard matting broadcasting to attract more delusional, science deniers, and low witted people together, as a feeble attempt to draw as many of dumb-dumbs together, thinking their power is in numbers of opinions not whether or not something is factual. So to them, as long as they are able to keep tricking their bunch of fools while attracting another, they've won the argument, regardless of the shape of the planet.

[@billmcdonald4335]

Same would go for trans-oceanic nautical navigation. Great Circles all the way 'round. . .

[@b0b5m1th]

But the flight planning screen looks flat! What wizardry is this?

[@mittelwelle_531_khz]

A glitch in the matrix?

[@b0b5m1th]

@@mittelwelle_531_khz could be.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Now, look what you have done! Jazla111 heard you and started a maps-are-flat thread.

[@b0b5m1th]

@@Mandelbrot_Set my bad.

[@b0b5m1th]

@@Mandelbrot_Set Jazla sure is one crazy cat. That thread really is a disappointment to whatever education system produced him.

[@nativetexan8383]

More often I've heard it said as "trying to bring a knife to a gunfight," like that scene in the Indiana Jones movie. But seeing as you just shot the knife out of their hand, your way certainly works, too.😂🤣

[@arctic_haze]

This is why they usually avoid flying, preferring rather to travel by car while using their phones to create a public record of their stupidity.

[@Android811]

I don't think they travel at all. Would explain why they have no understanding about how massive the planet is!

[@midnightrambler3653]

I often wonder how Phuket Word feels safe on his regular flights from Thailand to London.

[@requiem4adream87]

Lol towards the end you totally crocodile Dundee'd David. That's not a flight plan, this is a flight plan! haha Great work.

[@Wolfie6020]

I knew somebody would get it. 🙂

[@requiem4adream87]

@@Wolfie6020 Oh I enjoyed it thoroughly and had a good laugh at that one. Still a big Paul Hogan fan all these years later:P

[@wastelandwanderer3883]

"The Wolfpack has Air Superiority", Love it Wolfie, Thanks...

[@sthurston2]

How can a plane fly level with its nose down? Easy. Have the wings attached at a gentle upward angle and fly fast enough that the needed angle of attack is less than the angle the wings are attached at. Result is nose down flight and wings that are practically level instead of angled upwards. A flerf asked that question apparently as a stumper. A quick google turned up WWII planes that nose down at top speed to the surprise of some pilots, and the B-52 which can look very nose down when flying in formation with fighters, That got me interested and I had to check out why.

[@RockinRobbins13]

The orientation of the wing surfaces to the wind stream is all that matters. The fuselage inclination is almost irrelevant.

[@sphericalearth1205]

Flat Earther (FE): If the earth were a globe ‘planes would have to keep dipping their nose. FE: This emergency diversion makes no sense on a globe. FE: If the earth were a globe, there would be direct flights between Santiago de Chile and Sydney and I can’t find any (looking in January when flights start in March). Wolfie: Do you want to debate me on flight planning, general aviation, commercial flight routes, etc. FE: I’m not a pilot, I can’t be expected to understand flight planning.

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes that is exactly how it goes.

[@tjjones621]

TJ Jones... if Earth were flat, you wouldn't be using a map of the globe to drive around. That's what I usually tell them. :)

[@my3dviews]

@@tjjones621 You mean using your FEPS (Flat Earth Positioning System). 😂

[@ToxicTeemoOCE]

I like how they calculate how much a plane would have to dip its nose, by calculating how far the plane travels over a full hour, then dividing that by 60, and tell you it has to dip x amount per minute. They don't even realize they just turned the globe into a slope.

[@volcanoimage]

Here is what to say to flerfs in regards to that specific flight: Qantas QF27 from Sydney to Santiago ended last year due to the pandemic. In fact many other flights were cancelled. Before the pandemic these flights formed a complete circle around 20000 miles: Sydney to Santiago to Sao Paulo to Johannesburg to Sydney Australia.

[@requiem4adream87]

And not one flat earther will even dare to actually tackle the topic of flight planning in this comments section. They know they have nothing.

[@Wolfie6020]

Exactly. They are cornered and have nowhere to go on this.

[@bosunbones.8815]

@@Wolfie6020 You'd have thought it would be the first thing to work out, wouldn't it? Where am I? Where do I want to get to? How far is it? But yet what they always try and do is debunk gravity and misunderstand the 2nd law of thermodynamics, refraction, and bouancy. 🤣🤣🤣

[@requiem4adream87]

@Q Branch of course not gotta lie to flerf:P

[@erickent3557]

@@Wolfie6020 When they realized it's harder to get "cornered" on a sphere, their heads exploded.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

Whenever I bring the topic up to a flat earther, they REALLY don't want to talk about it. It scares them.

[@Wolfie6020]

Since I started asking them to debate me directly on it very few still post on this channel.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@Wolfie6020 whenever flatties try to claim "no real pilots use the globe", I love sending them here. Most often they claim that you are not a pilot either.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@Alysm-Aviation I am still waiting to see video of Bob Knodel flying a plane. I doubt we ever will.

[@shaneeslick]

Gleem now runs away from me in comments because I asked him to make a video showing me how the Sun Rises to the SE & Sets to the SW of Sydney on the Flat Earth Model, I gave him the link to Wolfie's video showing the Sun Rise SE over Sydney Harbour, He couldn't do it & told me to 'stop Trolling him' in SciManDan Comments 😂

[@Alysm-Aviation]

@@shaneeslick I love how gleem claims that the laws of physics would work on a flat earth, otherwise they wouldn't be laws of physics.

[@adamstrange7884]

Flerfs will debate you the moment one of them doesn't need bare feet to count to 11.

[@rickorider]

Absolutely brilliant! Such instructive information on aviation and flight planning. It is so complex and needs a clear head! Flat earthers really need to bow out after this video! The gainsayers are quiet as they have no flight plans for a flat earth which is very odd if the earth is flat. Wolfie comes up with information that is irrefutable. Great video!

[@crowxe]

Wolfie, you forgot about the so called "flat earth pilots" that few of them appeared along those 5 years, they should be able to take they challenge ;) and as usual, Emma is the cherry on the top of your amazing videos :)

[@arctic_haze]

The only flat earth pilot that really existed did not survive the flight on his home-made rocket.

[@jormungandr9251]

Isn’t Bob Knodel a pilot? I mean, I know he’s not a big deal pilot like he claimed, but I was under the impression he flies some private craft. What does he do for flight planning?

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

I don't know if Bob flies anymore. If he does, he uses the same globe-based software as everyone else. No flat-Earth-based flight planning software exists.

[@arctic_haze]

@@jormungandr9251 He uses the ring laser gyroscope which shows him a 15 degrees per hour drift. Thanks, Bob!

[@crowxe]

@@jormungandr9251 That's a question flat earthers should take to Bob Knodel every time they run into Wolfie's flight planning videos. But I bet they don't because they know he can't due to its impossibility

[@GertrudePerkins]

Reality defeats every flerf!

[@markcostello5120]

21 flerfs down voted this video then ran away.

[@misterocain]

12:10 the start of your "Goldilocks" analogy is the point i always make to Flerfs in that even If it was the case that we did not know the radius we would eventually arrive at the correct value when the distances travelled matched the planed distances. Of course no flerf is going to produce a flight plan because as Jokely would say "You're going to need a Map for that". 2:58 "And that puts a dome over the airports ........." Oh Wolfie what have you done? I can see it now, videos by unemployed actors, failed Lawyers, Yellow Crane operators and Chip delivery boys etc making videos about how a qualified long haul pilot let slip the "truth" of the dome. Dear oh dear.

[@shaneeslick]

2:58 I was thinking 'So this is Proof Adelaide is on another Planet' 😂

[@CriticalThink]

I approve this video.

[@MissionControl-dk]

Me too. 😁

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks CT.

[@notahotshot]

4:45 Flat earthers: "Wolfie6020 says it's completely flat, did we just win?"

Sounds legit!

[@volcanoimage]

Flat Earthers who deflect or run= they are just trolling Flat Earth. On the way to Hawaii I saw the curvature at 40000 feet. The tops of the cumulonimbus clouds followed the curvature. In regards to latitude & longitude flatties still can't answer why the distances between each degree of longitude get smaller as you go farther south of equator. With the bulge at the equator the Earth is slightly flat at the poles :D Very informative!

[@MissionControl-dk]

I can now carry on with my day without frustrations. Thanks for the very soothing video.

[@Pokechamp653]

Idiots run from logic? No way!

[@Kualinar]

Flatards don't come into a gunfight with an empty holster. They come into it with a Nerf butter knife.

[@JohnMichaelson]

The really dishonest flat earthers need to stop blaming "curved glass" for anything to do with what you see as curvature of the horizon at high altitude. As is clearly visible when you're on the ground, there is no distortion to be seen in the buildings. I've been asking them to provide any sort of coordinate system that is not latitude and longitude, which makes no sense on a 2d planar Earth. There should be one which requires no projection and provides equally accurate distances in whatever units they choose to use and convert to miles, kilometers, chains, furlongs, or cubits. As with you, the result is insults or crickets.

[@b0b5m1th]

I'm sure they'd argue that at altitude the increased pressure in the cabin bulges the glass, and it get more pronounced the higher you get...

[@JohnMichaelson]

@@b0b5m1th Ahh yes, the amazing flexible bulging "plastic" glass that manages to somehow in all planes at all times know exactly how much to bulge regardless of the actual internal cabin pressure or external atmospheric pressure just enough to always result in a horizon that conforms to a sphere with a radius of 6370 km.

[@Jonathan8146]

@@JohnMichaelson Last I heard they were saying that the curvature observed in one of the tourist space flights was due the your curved eye.

[@Sherwoody]

I’ve tried to pressure a couple of flerfs to join several navigation charts or geographic survey maps together and see what happens. I personally witnessed someone trying to do it to create a mural and I believe McToon did one a couple of years ago. The maps start to curve and will not lay flat.

[@richardbell7678]

@@b0b5m1th They cannot claim bulging windscreens, as admitting that air pressure decreases with altitude is an admission that Gravity is real, as there is no way for there to be any pressure variation, without it.

[@marcusPmarcus]

Been having some fun with this one... Thanks, Wolfie! Although I'm not a pilot, I flew the T-1A Jayhawk simulator several times back in my Boeing days (1996-2002), so I knew all about the Haversine formula. Anyway, I'm getting a lot of insults, a lot of excuses, and a lot of deflection, as expected. One guy thought that he could simply replace latitude and longitude with a simple X-Y co-ordinate system. Well, that fell apart from the moment of conception, and once he realized that it was a hopeless solution, he just kind of disappeared into the ether, never to be heard from again. There was another with whom I worked with diligently for several hours over a few days, but he eventually had no choice but to admit.... befuddlement.

[@tjjones621]

You might be interested in the $10,000 FlatAfrica flight chart challenge. Not for you, of course, but to rub it in the faces of the flerfs who think planes or flight charts prove the FE. kzbin.info/www/bejne/noG6dKyAg7N_mKM

[@eileendover3938]

Beautiful timing. A flerf is telling me that ALL autopilot uses flat earth maps. He claims that he was in the military and knows. I’ve given him the Lambert, will see what he comes back with.

[@Wolfie6020]

It sounds like he has no clue. Ask him what planes he is rated on.

[@eileendover3938]

@@Wolfie6020 I will. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he didn’t get anywhere close to a plane, unless he swept and mopped the hangar floor.

[@MeppyMan]

How the heck do they make such a mess of their BS that cabotage comes into it? Lol.

[@brettbrewer6091]

I am just glad they are kept out of pilot seats or any profession that depends on an accurate model of reality. They would get people killed in short order if they ever got into a pilot's seat. They could create a reality show like the Squid games where flat earthers are put into a pilot seat and carefully tutored to create a flight plan based off of a flat earth, then they get to test their flight plan by piloting a plane to follow it and they could live stream it as they plunge into the ocean or crash. Maybe we could call the show Flat Earth Flight club.

[@maxwellshammer5283]

Can you imagine if they had to design a bridge over a long distance?🤣🤣🤣

[@Android811]

I'd hate to see an aircraft wasted like that.

[@mikefochtman7164]

I notice that the way-points for long flights have short 3-5 letter 'name/codes'. Is there any particular taxonomy for these? Like those that start with 'T' are to/from some particular place? Or are they just random jumbled 'names' assigned. Anyway, always love your videos, I always learn new things, hope you can keep doing them amongst your busy life (between your family, flying, your hobbies with drones and astronomy, you must be a busy fellow.)

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Mike. Waypoints are mostly random 5 letter groups but the requirement is they are pronounceable as a word. So Zabit could be a waypoint but zzztt never will be. There are some duplicates and occasionally you can see combinations proving the ATC has a sense of humour. For example, one of the arrivals into Brisbane uses the waypoints in this order, LEAKY BOATS SINNK On a departure they have MEAND DADAN DENIS LILEE. (when pronounced it sounds like Me and Dad and Dennis Lillee) Dennis Lillee was a famous Australian cricket player. Three letter codes are usually associated with ground based navigation beacons. Like the Wollongong NDB would be WOL. The one at Katoomba was KAT but has been replaced with KADOM when he aid was decommissioned.

[@JohnMichaelson]

@@Wolfie6020 There's lots of fun ones in the U.S. I know, and presumably all around the world. In Utah I smile at BHIVE, HINKY, MUGLE, and TUBBY. Lots of others are derived from local towns or features nearby like OQUIR, VERKN, etc.

[@53C52]

The RNAV 16 approach in Portsmouth, NH has a nice Tweety Bird reference with the waypoints ITAWT ITAWA PUDYE TTATT

[@matzeaufketten]

None of these guys care to be wrong, ever. Since they are just boring BS LARPing trolls. Laughing about guys who take them serious enough for a response to their BS, thats what they care about.

[@guyfournier]

Great, non-nonsense, in your face, destruction of the poor demented flat earthers. Thank you! Love the ending👍

[@ruidh]

Flat Earthers can't do math. If they could do math they would see that it doesn't work. Calculating a flight path is completely beyond their capabilities. I'm not at all surprised they haven;t taken you up on your challenge. They wouldn't know where to begin.

[@cody967]

My prediction of the best FE refutation... "Na-uh (insert buzzword)"

[@RockinRobbins13]

_"Na-uh (insert buzzword)"_ Top five Flerftopian Fraudseter answers! 1. CONVERGENCE (caps necessary) 2. RAYLEIGH CRITERION (immediately ask them to define that) 3. APPARENT (horizon) hehehehehehehe! 4. LEVEL (water seeks it!) 5. ANGLE OF ATTACK (okay, we surrender. Not really. You can't surrender when you're laughing this hard)

[@102wingnut]

Nice airplane! 😍

[@FlattardiansSuck]

Hard to see. Lol. Jelly

[@govshill4557]

You're welcome, Wolfie. - Gov Shill, Avionics tech since 1980.

[@fepeerreview3150]

The topic that scares flat Earthers ... Yes, Wolfie, not to downplay the great stuff you do with flight planning, but I must add that I think they're scared of a whole lot of things, basically running afraid much of the time. 😆 I've been thinking, for example, about all the fuss they're making with sextants at the moment. Mitchell with his grand statements that "sextants prove the Flat Earth!" ... and yet, not one of them has done what Dr. Bob did, and simply stepped out onto their driveway, did a sighting with their sextant, and PROVED that they could find their location. Want to find out how fast a Flat Earther can run backwards? Just try handing them a sextant. You're absolutely right. They will never go anywhere NEAR flight planning. Not in a million years.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

Shawn Hawkins did an unboxing video of his new sextant a few minutes after Mitchell's live stream. He held the instruction book up to the camera to show some of the diagrams of the globe in it. Oddly enough there were no instructions explaining how to use it on a flat Earth. 🤔

[@ronaldQdobbs]

Flerfs came to this argument holding a broken cap gun with a crayon shoved in the barrel and no caps. And we all got to laugh at them. Good times. 😁

[@gerardbryant4840]

Wolfie, if the new plane can fly above the thunderstorms, have you ever seen those "sprites", or "orbs", or whatever those phenomena are called now?

[@PXCharon]

Some years ago, I bumped into a site that gave step by step instruction on aeronautical navigation and it's history, including a small library of chart reproductions and the relevant data to follow examples and links to buy then-current paper charts. So I dropped everything, downloaded a reasonably accurate flight sim, and learned to read an instrument panel, and write a basic plan to follow within a couple days. Granted I was pretty much just hopping around between Hawaii and Guam in that short time, but it wasn't particularly difficult navigating by VOR. I imagine the whole process is much easier now.

[@The_Elmigs]

Flerfs don't have a map, so Australia could be right next to Greenland for all they know. Planning flights is rather tricky when you have no clue where the continents are.😁

[@JoeBob79569]

If you use the radius of the Earth to make a flight plan, then shouldn't you be using the altitude of the plane for the distance (6371km + ~8km)? For example if you fly 1/4 way around the Earth, the distance on land would be 10,007km, but at an altitude of 8km the distance would be 10,020km. Or is the altitude calculated part of the flight plan? But I suppose it's still within the margin of error anyway, since a plane would cover about 13km in 1 minute or so..

[@dross4207]

I kind of miss the old days of “Flat Earthing”, where they would make claims and try to present models so that there were things to falsify, and falsify you did quite well. Now it’s just an incoherent mess of them denying that they make claims, and obfuscation by definition, leaving nothing that you can fight against. They’ve taken the fun out of Flat Earth.

[@volcanoimage]

Flat Earthers nowadays don't believe the Earth is flat. In order for them to keep their income going they need to lie and deflect.

[@Wolfie6020]

All the smart Flat Earthers are back to the Globe.

[@Stigstigster]

@@Wolfie6020 There aren't many of those but I have noticed a few. Ranty and Seek Truth Speak Truth as good examples of people who genuinely appeared to believe in flat Earth but were actually smart enough to work out it did not withstand even basic scrutiny. Rare beasts indeed. Thanks for the video, Wolfie. I love what you do.

[@dross4207]

@@Stigstigster ....they all know that the evidence is there, it’s just a matter of if they are willing to accept it or not, and usually it’s “not”. They do seem completely capable of ignoring the evidence, and they seem sincere in their belief that if they ignore the evidence, that the evidence no longer exists. “Delusional” is the only word that seems to encompass their beliefs and actions.

[@EllipticGeometry]

It’s sad how they can’t even dig up ideas that some of them have documented at length. Electromagnetic acceleration salvages some aspects of a flat Earth. It still doesn’t hold up under any kind of geodesy and indeed flight planning, but at least it’s a little harder to dismiss out of hand. It works at relatively small scales where you can see the horizon drop but not yet the convergence of geodesics. Another fun one is a disk accelerating upward at 9.8 m/s^2, more or less tackling terrestrial gravity in a creative way. It’s funny when they get ‘reasonable’ and reject specific conspiracy theories for being obvious bunk, while defending bunk that’s just as silly. The truth is that they don’t really want a model or explanation. They just want to be in on this mystery involving a flat Earth (or perhaps a hollow one or some other variation). Anything concrete would be consistent with the globe or easily refuted, maybe even eroding their roots by infighting. I think they’ve realized that by now. Wolfie does as well, hence this challenge.

[@FrenchCrow]

_"Their claims are so amateurish"_ This is actually true for about anything they claim because they only have some intuitive understanding and no real skills/knowledge. Great to see again your lovely and funny little girl.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks, she is growing so fast.

[@flatasacueball6326]

Life defeats every flat earther.

[@davidnievesjr.9478]

This proof and the equatorial mount telescope are my favorite ones to bring up.

[@ofdlttwo]

You always kill it wolfie. keep em coming.

[@Martial-Mat]

I found the info about the plane's readouts fascinating.

[@joecooksey4331]

I got up at 4:10 am to watch this.....

[@Wolfie6020]

Sorry to wake you Joe, but I appreciate it.

[@ComradeJehannum]

Thats commitment

[@sneakyfox4651]

When you substitute an iPad (which has a flat screen) for the paper charts, does the software also state the type of projection used, or is the Earth's curvature built into the software and changes according to scale as you zoom in or out, respectively? Edit: soom -> zoom. Duh!

[@groundhoglife]

I’m a new subscriber to your channel and I’m loving the information you are providing. This flat earth cult nonsense needs to be put to rest once and for all and anyone with any sense just needs to watch your videos.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Dave and welcome.

[@johngaltline9933]

I like the flight plans, but I'm still waiting for a flerf to explain how an equatorial mount can work as it does in reality on a flat earth.

[@saviogonsalvez202]

So good Wolfie! Love your work mate.

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks Savio.

[@Chance57]

Excuse #1: how am I supposed to plan a flight if I don't even have a working map? It's astounding knowing that humans mapped the globe generations ago without all of our modern-day luxuries. At the same time you have a decent size community that's worldwide in the age of instant communications but they won't try to crowdsource a map. Not even a rudimentary one. It's so easy just plot a bunch of points given distances lol. You'll find out the shape of the Earth really soon that way.

[@tjjones621]

They think maps are made by taking pics from high flying planes. I ask them how they know where the city, county, state & country lines are from the air. And... what about the Equator... They usually bail...

[@shegocrazy]

18:55 LoL I was waiting for Emma to make an appearance and you didn't disappoint! Her Ruskie twang is gorgeous. Clearly mum does all the talking at home ;)

[@Wolfie6020]

She picked most of that up while I was away on a long trip and her Grandmother was staying with them. They talked all day every day. When I left I was "Daddy" When I got back I was "Deddy"

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

As long as Emma does not start saying "wodka."

[@David_Lee379]

Way to take them apart, Wolfie. Oh, and your little angel is adorable!

[@sbushido5547]

Do commercial pilots draw up their own flight plans? I guess I always assumed that someone involved in scheduling the flights would be responsible for that.

[@Wolfie6020]

The airlines have dedicated flight planning departments. In Corporate aviation we could absolutely do the flight plans from scratch ourselves. There is no requirement to use a service provider like Jeppesen or Universal. In practice though we do use them for complex international trips. It simply frees up the pilot's time and it is good to have their backup if something goes wrong with a clearance while we are enroute. When I first started doing long range international flying most of my flight plans were manually calculated. We also did a lot of covert operations so the routes were not given to any external agencies and our flight details were suppressed at the ATC level. Those trips were all manually calculated with spreadsheets like I show in this video.

[@larryscott3982]

I did mission planning for aerial mapping in a Gulfstream. And like Wolfie, spreadsheet did plenty of the heavy lifting. And I produced waypoint files that were uploaded to FMS. We did a lot of work in South America. And Colombian Venezuelan border was a hit zone. So maneuvering in an ADIZ was something you had best not screw up at Mach 0.72. But FE are mostly pretending. I’ve never met one in person.

[@sbushido5547]

@@Wolfie6020 Thanks.

[@paidnasashill2150]

Flerfs don't Know anything about Aviation!

[@Alysm-Aviation]

They like to pretend to though.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Two minutes in, and every flerfers eyes are glazed over.

[@brucelee8189]

Hello Wolfie, do you know where I can download some “paper aviation charts” in a pdf format? Thank you, in advance

[@flightsimdev9021]

Ever met a flat earther that can actually fly, I haven't!

[@larryscott3982]

Never met a FE club member that do more than add and subtract … and even then only using a calculator.

[@david_akerman]

@@larryscott3982 They can just about Google for a calculator.

[@larryscott3982]

@@david_akerman I laugh when those experts need a triangle solver webpage for a right triangle. Yet insist they know trigonometry. And use Google earth at every turn .

[@DickHolman]

Bob 15° Dumpling had a single-engine PPL, so he knows that FE is a lie.

[@larryscott3982]

@@DickHolman He knows he’s only play acting. PPL was only a quasi qualification for his cosplay.

[@CarbonTech19]

"So what you are saying is that football is in on the Globe deception. I'll be sure to share that at the next FE convention." - random Flat Earther after viewing this.

[@doranku]

Silence…

[@Wolfie6020]

Always on this topic Dora. I love it.

[@doranku]

@@Wolfie6020 Well, I could have set cricket. But I have no idea how that works. Maybe when they stop testing and actually start doing something the sport will finally get interesting. Unlike Flerfs, they should start testing your claims Wolfie.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@doranku Crickets means you hear nothing but the crickets chirping... Like this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaGqpXWki79_ic0 It basically means silence from them.

[@rysacroft]

Hello Wolfie, I'm from the UK but I have flown Sydney >Perth > Melbourne and back to Sydney. I love flying if I have a window seat. I consider it to be amazing if I'm flying over the Alps or any other mountain range. What I'm trying badly to describe is that these views would normally be impossible for a simpleton like me. >

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks. Unfortunately airlines don't let people into the cockpit these days. As a teenager I sat in the front of several Qantas aircraft for the landings. All you had to do back then was ask.

[@JohnMichaelson]

Are you coming to Tucson for your U.S. trip, Wolfie? Always a beautiful time of year to be in that part of the country. Any new astronomical purchases planned 😁? Emma needs a scope of her own at this point.

[@Wolfie6020]

Yes I should be in Tucson mid December and again in March next year. Planning to get the ZWO485 MC for the Coronado scope. Also thinking of the Hutech Hinode but 50/50 on that. I put the 127 Mak on the Star Discovery mount with a 32 mm eyepiece and she loves looking at buildings across the valley with that.

[@Mandelbrot_Set]

@@Wolfie6020 I recommend Kartchner Caverns State Park. It has only been open since 1999.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@Mandelbrot_Set Thanks, I'll add it to the list. Probably March as the December trip is only a few days so we can be home for Christmas.

[@volcanoimage]

You should offer a high monetary challenge to any flat Earther who can produce a flight plan using the flat Earth model and see if there are any takers. Since there is latitude and longitude involved they will have a tough time trying to produce one.

[@poeterritory]

2:58 So you admit there's a dome! (Just kidding.)

[@Alessandro-B]

Hey Wolfie, just listened to the podcast with SciManDan, really enjoyed it, but then again, I enjoy everything you two guys do. (Yes, I know, Cats was in it too).

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks, I enjoyed chatting to them. Dan and Catz are great.

[@panchogunundez4377]

Yeah, I'm here from the UK via the same route. Three seemingly decent blokes just having a casual chat about various stuff made for a very interesting and informative podcast. Wolfie was an excellent guest and I'm delighted I found his channel as a bonus.

[@deansligh3759]

My end all be all topic for flat earthers is this; why, why and how is it in anyway beneficial for governments to control people on a flat earth as opposed to a spherical one? Never once got an answer.

[@deansligh3759]

The key is this, you must approach them on their level. These a people who are extremely suspicious, and I can appreciate that.

[@qcontinuum514]

You are teaching your daughter a valuable skill. 👏👏👏🏆

[@wolfganglaun2319]

Although the "flatness or curvature of the horizon" is not the main topic of this video, permit me to post my thoughts on this matter here. Irrespective of the shape of the Earth, the horizon is a circle, at constant distance from the observer. The usual claim of flat earthers is that "we don't see its curvature and therefore Earth is flat". But from where can you observe a circle as a straight line? The answer is (and anybody can verify it easily with a hula hoop) that the eye has to be in the plane within which this circle rests. But this doesn't happen with the horizon/circle in reality, even on a flat earth surface you are at some distance away from this plane and ought to see a part of the circle as a part of the ellipse. Take the line running from the eye to one point of the circle to the horizon and the tangent to the circle forming the horizon: these two straight lines define a plane. All of the circle/horizon is below this plane and we should see it gradually curving away from the tangent line. So, why don't we? Primarily, because this tangent isn't plotted there for the observer to watch it, left and right. Second, as soon as your eyes wander left or right, the original tangent isn't the current tangent any more - your line of sight from the eye to the horizon wanders along a (very flat!) cone. And you are seeing the same image any which way: an apparently straight section of the horizon. Furthermore, consider your central field of of vision: the area where you see everything distinctly (!) is surprisingly small. - I guess you can see how intricate matters are. This is the usual story for almost everything in physics (and astronomy and geodesy etc.), which is something flat earthers don't want to accept. ("But you can _see_ that it is flat.")

[@RockinRobbins13]

You have to be about 3º above the plane of the circle to see horizontal curvature, and even then you need a field of view of about 100º.

[@havingfunherecoolbeans211]

There's no curvature! Oceans are sea level! Horizon is a Horizontal flat line.

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@havingfunherecoolbeans211 Yes, the oceans are level, but they are not flat. "Level" is a sphere concentric with the center of gravity of the globe, such that each point on that level sphere is at equipotential energy, not seeking to flow to any other location on the level sphere. Local level is a plane tangent to the sphere of the globe. Level is a different plane for each location on Earth. If you put two geodetic theodolites (this has been performed tens of thousands of times by geodetic surveyors) 500 meters apart, you measure that the vertical lines at each location lean 16 arcseconds apart. So we've measured 500 meters of horizontal separation. Now we have to calculate the proportion of Earth that represents, just like the method you agree is valid above. So how many arcseconds is 360 degrees? Take 360 degrees, multiply by 60 arcminutes in a degree and multiply that by 60 arcseconds in an arcminute to find that the entire circle of the circumference of Earth is a 1,296,000 arcsecond circle. Now we measured 16 arcseconds. We'll duplicate exactly what we did above with our new numbers. Ready? 16 arcseconds is to (divided by) 1,296.000 arcseconds (the whole circumference) as (equals) 500 meters (our measured portion of the circumference) is to (divided by) the entire circumference of Earth in meters (x). English words have equivalency to mathematical terms. Since both are languages you can freely translate back and forth from math to English. Now let's duplicate the process above with the real numbers for Earth, using the math that we validated just now. 16/1,296,000 is .000012346, and that is the proportion of Earth that we measured at 500 meters. All we have to do is divide 500 by .000012346 and we have honestly, validly, beyond any legitimate criticism, measured the circumference of the sphere. The answer is 40,500,000 meters, 40,500 km. This measurement and calculation has been done in thousands of locations about the globe. it always ends up within a fraction of a percent of 40,500 km. The reason for the discrepancy is the error envelope of our measurement methods, both the geodetic theodolite and the tape measure to set the two stations' distance. And you can do it yourself, *having fun.* There are geodetic surveyors in just about any reasonable sized city on the globe. You can make the measurements yourself. If you find your measurements support Flerftopia, present all observations and calculations and you'll get a Nobel prize.

[@havingfunherecoolbeans211]

@@RockinRobbins13 Haha bull shit you wrote.

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@havingfunherecoolbeans211 _"Haha bull shit you wrote."_ But I can prove it's true, you can measure for yourself and get the same results. At 500 meters apart, perfectly vertical lines, in perfect alignment with the direction things fall at those two locations, the direction "up" from the two locations lean apart by 16 arcseconds. You're perfectly free to measure it yourself. Using the math I showed clearly enough that a ten year old can do it will allow you to use those two reciprocal zenith measurements to calculate the diameter of the globe. The truth demands to be tested so that it can demonstrate that you are correct in trusting it. Nobody needs to insult others or use profanity, as you have, to defend the truth. Your very language and tactics shout that your are wrong, you know you are wrong and don't care if anyone agrees with you. People who know the truth are friendly and use persuasion to woo people to their side of the issue. Your tactics betray you as a really inept liar that nobody will believe.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

What topic _doesn't_ defeat flerfs? I'm serious. I can't think of one.