This true crime festival was a total mess

[@nephritedreams]

Listen I get the festival is named after the company but… “obsessed” is such a weird way to describe your interest in true crime

[@MrsDaedalus_]

I had the exact same thought! The fact that they describe their interest that way is a red flag to me.

[@MsMvsc]

I don't like that true crime has turned into a fandom. People treat victims and killers like characters in a TV series. I hate it so much.

[@Likelyfairy]

Especially since In the last couple of years people have been cracking down on true crime content that’s been insensitive…..

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[@alyssiataylor546]

It's accurate though. That's how true crime fans are 🙄

[@justine8387]

A few years ago I attend, for work, a lecture by the woman who prosecuted one of Australia's most feared serial killers. The thing that stuck with me was her passionate advocacy for the victims dignity in the face of media speculation. Victims matter.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Was she the prosecutor in the Ivan Milat case?

[@justine8387]

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn no, the Claremont serial killer.

[@nopls3607]

​@justine8387 I want to look into this, but I feel like it would be wrong to. Do you know where I can go that has decency about the victims and their families?

[@justine8387]

​@@nopls3607Carmel Barbagallo was the name of the prosecutor. Anything that she has spoken at or written will be excellent. She is a judge now.

[@SC-lr8tv]

Yes i hate how quick the media/people are to dismiss victims. Saw a video where this women got brutally tortured and all the comments were “well she shouldnt have scammed a gangster”

[@marshmellowpops]

A whole "festival" dedicated to true crime is very questionable to me, especially if no proceeds are actually going to the victims/victims families. Not at all shocked at all this petty infighting and rumors between podcasters that treat serious subject matter with such disregard is happening tbh

[@ImNotHere222]

Exactly my thoughts. When I heard how petty the drama is and how much in-fighting is involved, I was like "yeah, you're all taking true crime and turning it into a fcking party. Karma's a bitch." I enjoy lots of true crime content, but it's pretty obvious who is and isn't worth listening to. I've never heard of these people, and glad I haven't.

[@heatherangel9700]

The true crime obsession has gotten kind of disturbing, imo. These are real people with real families who are having their trauma exploited for entertainment. It seems like people are really forgetting that. edit for syntax

[@mxmissy]

I think there's like a true-crime "convention" in ... Los Vegas(?) that Swell Entertainment did a video about, and they focus on the victims so I appreciate that. But yeah, I agree, the "fans" (ugh) around true-crime are either really great, or they suck and there's no in between.

[@toltottkaposzta6427]

I also watch tons of true crime related content, mostly docu series and yt videos, but I never knew there were people creating such tasteless podcasts. Purely the idea of a "true crime festival" is baffling to me. How the hell do you talk about things like torture, rape, pedophilia and murder dressed in a pink Barbie tshirt, surrounded by fluffy rainbow bullshit and confetti? Seriously, what's with all the fucking pink? Squabbling like a bunch of baboons over petty crap, while the people they talk about endured hell on earth. Disgusting.

[@Desaree1]

So you like true crime or not? I'm confused. Did a family contact you upset about it? I don't understand what you mean?

[@bb-mf6qh]

Imagine being the survivor of a crime, like having your family murdered, being kidnapped, raped and tortured. Surviving all of this and trying to live afterwards. And some sick people decide they love hearing about your trauma so much they want to throw a festival for the murder, rape and torture you endured. Imagine hearing someone say they love listening to the crime that was committed to you. Its INSANE. Where have our human morals gone? It's like an episode of black mirror.

[@anonymouse9833]

I don't have to imagine, it's happened already. My cousin's murder was sensationalized and speculated on, tons of videos about it are floating around on KZbin, podcasters bring it up from time to time, and it's fucking disgusting how they talk about it tbh. I've heard podcasters call it "such a good one" and it makes me want to puke. It seems like most true crime folks don't see the victims as actual people, just content.

[@popcandy44]

​@@anonymouse9833I just wanted to say I'm so sorry you went through that

[@brigade7678]

I've been a victim, though I lived. And I appreciate certain types of true crime for what it brings to the public's conscious. I don't love the mukbangs and the cruel podcasts that mock victims or talk in extremely dramatic voices. But if my case were covered I would hope it would stop even one person being tricked like I was. Or give them hope that you can still live after. I didn't die ofc, just things intense enough I don't ever get the opportunities to talk about that part of my life. I'm thankful for creators and viewers that care. People tend to hate true crime blindly, and honestly I think its harder for the victim's families than the victims themselves, from what I've seen. I'm sure my own family would be upset, even when I was thankful. They don't want to hear me describe what happened, and I understand its hard for them, but its isolating for ME the victim. I appreciate a community with many members that are survivors and people who do want to hear our story and understand what we went through. Not all victims will or should agree with me, we're no monolith. But people have always hated true crime, and I've been shamed plenty times for having such a dark interest. I just want to share another side that victims can find a LOT of comfort in this programming and I'd just ask you think of us too when attacking the community as a whole.

[@Waspinmymind]

@@brigade7678And a lot of victims are also treated like shit because of true crime. Just because you’re a victim doesn’t mean you can’t be a part of the problem. Your victim hood is not a shield to what your hobby could’ve hurt. Like how turning to drugs is a bad coping mechanism. This could also be like that. I suggest you start questioning why you need to consistently defend yourself and mention your victim status around true crime. Have you’ve done anything to hurt someone just like you? With this hobby of yours.

[@brigade7678]

@Waspinmymind Yeah you sound real kind & worried about victims here bud. You speak with real venom at someone who's crime in your eyes is...listens to podcasts. I do not often find myself defending my interests or bringing up my victimhood, in fact I said the exact Opposite. It's something people do not listen to and I never feel comfortable talking about. It's isolating to be a victim to such extreme crimes, there's not many who will listen and even less who will listen without wincing and pitying. When I've been shamed it's 2nd hand, people complaining about true crime in general and not AT me. I even specified I know other victims aren't the same as me, nor should they have to be. I take no joy in true crime content, I tend to avoid "comedy" sides. I'm asking only for people to not demonize a HUGE group that has a lot of victims/survivors in it. I'm asking YOU to consider how judgemental and harsh you are toward a victim of violent crime who calmly explained an experience counter to your opinion. But sure, I'll reflect on my actions when listening to true crime. And I hope you sit calmly, breathe, and ask why you wanted me to feel guilty for a hobby? Who are you to shame one victim while defending another? To be hurt or offended is human. It's something you have to manage and turn away from when it's harmful to you. As awful as that can be, it is still your feeling to manage.

[@ShyShrike]

Okay but like…I enjoy true crime but never in my entire life would I want to be in the same room with other true crime people

[@pigeonatic]

yeah, especially a whole ass event. That seems like the worst idea ever

[@Musicanimedork01]

That's so real lmao

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[@beegee80]

Same. I mean, when I saw how much people were paying for Obsessed Fest (not including plane tickets)--it's like hundreds or thousands of dollars! That's ridiculous!

[@chloskyskies4399]

Yeah honestly feels like an easy way to get in a situation- where you’re stuck alone with someone, who is a little bit *too into it* and for the wrong reasons. If you catch my drift.

[@Waryfaerie]

A true crime convention should have speakers (police, family of victims, survivors, family of perpetrators, psychologists, etc) go over their experiences with killers and share ways to protect yourself and recognize dangerous or concerning behaviors, and the proceeds go to organizations to help victims families, DV shelters, etc. It shouldn’t be a Comic-Con for true crime nerds

[@alondraabarca9788]

100% agree with this statement, the lady pretending to have a fake panic attack is the most embarrassing human being I have ever seen.

[@TwoBs]

They used to do things like that. I’m sure some still do, but the events are probably gated being more for professionals to be the spotlight instead of KZbinrs/podcasters so they don’t get all the attention from the “”community””. They’d have criminal investigators, detectives, interrogators, policemen who were on scene of certain cases, prosecutors, defense attorneys, etc. coming to those events to speak about the forensics, interrogation methods, how autopsies would be done, raise awareness about cold cases, how they handled a case for the victims and their families, and so forth. It wasn’t called a “true crime” convention or anything, but they were usually more obscure and way less commercialized as it was more reserved to inform those who wanted to learn … Until the KZbinrs, podcasters, and social media influencers started popping out “true crime content” and began going to them and spinning their own ideas of creating their own little conventions with way more commercialization and promotions (which were more like meet and greets and ways to sell stuff). It wasn’t about informing people about things, it became about _entertaining_ people by talking about popular cases as if it was a movie they had just watched. The true crime “community”, imo, deserves all the criticism and mockery for what they have turned a genuine interest into for monetization and fame. It’s become so disgusting to watch people treat it as entertainment and get giddy every time one of them uploads a new video or podcast with things like “omg I am soooo ready to watch this new vid!! gonna cozy up and tune in!! gonna get some cleaning done as I watch along 🤪” … about someone dying. Yuck. I really don’t know how some of them sleep comfortably at night knowing the money they have made is from the loss of others’ lives and the pain loved ones have suffered under the excuse of “informing the public and raising awareness”.

[@shandiingreen2427]

They did. There was a lot of panels that was very informative but one that stood out was missing and murdered indigenous women.

[@NotSoPobrecita]

There’s already one that exists- just not as popular as the one that treats it like comic con or as a party 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@draconicfeline6177]

I used to love listening to true crime and it taught me a lot about how to keep myself safe in this terrifying world - but after yet another tasteless hellofresh ad, I just stopped. It started to feel wrong to listen to this.@@TwoBs

[@user-qo8fk1gz7c]

Someone wearing a Barbie costume to a crime event makes me nauseous. For those of us who have lost people, it is disgusting to see what a joke true crime podcasts are. They do not care about the victims no matter how many times they claim they’re “telling the victim’s story.”

[@sari9645]

Literally. I can think of only one person on all of KZbin that treats true crime with the care and respect it deserves

[@pertainstothesea]

I don’t want to defend Terra here but she is a survivor of attempted murder, I agree that it’s a bad look but she is a victim of crime herself

[@stingray1irwin0]

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[@stingray1irwin0]

@notville_ please get a job, you're not going to be able to sell this account to a crypto scammer once it's banned

[@rustedknight_]

@@sari9645 I'm gonna take a guess and say Mike from That Chapter?

[@dayzedandconfuzed]

i love a deep dive on drama in a community i’ve never heard of before now. i’m so enthralled every time

[@bb-mf6qh]

You never heard of the true crime community?

[@AJ-pu9jq]

@@bb-mf6qhI think they meant this podcast network community specifically

[@StrawberryMoonlights]

So right, drama from any kinda niche community that your not a part of hits different. Though true crime is more mainstream

[@theclairewhy]

finally a comment acknowledging the specific drama covered in the video and not true crime / crime festivals in general

[@aivaleilani]

I'm not a fan of true crime content capitalising off real peoples deaths in general.. but a whole *festival?* That's actually so insanely disrespectful.

[@parkchimmin7913]

Adding onto that, wtf is there to celebrate? The killers? The murder? Definitely not the victims because most true crime content, time and time again, have shown that the victims don’t matter.

[@AkaBaki]

About a year ago swell entertainment did a video on crimecon.. which is a true crime convention...and what I gathered from that video is, although there are some problems with how crazy people are for the entertainment value behind true crime...at least that con had some good come from it. ie bringing lesser known cases to light and talks from law enforcement and victims families. So I don't know...I feel conflicted about it

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[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

True crime thinks its so much cooler than horror but its actually not cuz horror is actual art.

[@piratesswoop725]

@@parkchimmin7913As someone who used to be a fan of the show, the festival is more or less a fest to hype up and celebrate the hosts. I don’t know whether Austin mentions it because I just started the video but one of the events that people paid extra money to attend was Patrick reading an excerpt from his memoir he just released. All the attendees also got a copy of the memoir as well. They call it a true crime fest but it’s to feed Patrick’s ego.

[@luv2skat]

Rabia Chaudhry is not just a fan. She's a lawyer and a huge person in the true crime community. She was a huge part of the podcast Serial and headed up the campaign to free Adnan Syed. After years of work, she got him out of jail. Rabia was also someone that Patrick and Gillian spent a lot of time saying smelled amazing and that if you ever get the chance you should try to smell her. So at the 2022 obsessed fest, random people kept going up to her to sniff her! So she's not a huge fan of them either. She also hosts a podcast with Ellyn called Rabia and Ellyn's solve the crime.

[@TheGirlMichael]

I gasped when he called her that!

[@dalailarose1596]

That part was so weird, if you don't know who Rabia Chaudry is, why would you bring her up at all?

[@jellieschaos]

Rabia and Ellyn also did a pdocast episode where they discussed everything that happened with joey and other podcasters from the network one of them being Daisy Eagan who is still with ON but her situation is such a horrid experience & she was only just “allowed” to make a patreon for HER podcast she writes and researches and records for!! (Thats a brief summary of that whole madness i could remember from the top of my head i def recommend to listen to that podcast ep)

[@strangergoat]

I came to the comments to see if anyone had said this.

[@lazyfoxplays8503]

She isn’t a “member of the true crime” community. She’s literally a lawyer, it’s her job. She’s not “being an active member of the community,” she’s literally spreading awareness about real murder. These are literally real crimes. Not a sitcom with a cast review at the end. Lmao How disconnected is it that cops and lawyers are now called “members of the true crime community!”

[@sunnyandthechlo]

When you said ‘comedic true crime podcast’ I think my brain imploded.

[@andeggbreaks]

I'm glad people are having as extreme of a reaction to the whole concept of this as I did even though it wasn't the source of the drama in the video.

[@PartnershipsForYou]

Imagine having a son or daughter be murdered and then a podcaster makes some sick epic burns at you, followed by a sponser break

[@Gus-n9u]

@@PartnershipsForYouI mean… you just described a solid bit of dark comedy. I do not support what they do, but I will fight to the death their right to do it. This is public data and they are expressing their right to free speech. If they are not directly calling for illegal actions to be taken, they are well within their rights. I would argue that a comedic take is the best form of this nonsense…. Similar to comedic historical bits that find humor in the abject absurdity of many of man’s atrocities. Finding the humor in tragedy is as human as it gets! It is the non investigative, straight forward podcasts that are the most reprehensible.

[@batsbatsghost8757]

@@Gus-n9uThey absolutely have the right to do it, but that doesn’t make them exempt from criticism.

[@emixdarling]

@@batsbatsghost8757 my youngest sister went through a phase of saying something about free speech whenever she was called out on saying something not nice. i was always quick to remind her that free speech does not mean free from consequences. luckily the phase didn’t last long and she did learn but i think more people need to learn it as well

[@batturiebunnie6460]

having a true crime festival is so absurdly gross.

[@lifeisstrange2605]

Especially since no earnings (that I know of) went to any of the victims or their families.

[@PenskePC17]

Not really, considering it would in most cases likely just be a meet and greet with creator's. The "anti true crime movement" has to be one of the corniest examples of fake internet altruism out there 😂

[@dammitdarby]

There are a few and they usually aren't. A lot of families of victims and victims themselves are involved. There are shitty people in all groups of people, but most people handle it with respect.

[@unapologeticallyb5068]

Like wtf are we doing?

[@wolfmenot]

@@PenskePC17I don’t think having consideration and compassion for the families of people that have been brutally murdered is “an example of fake internet altruism” Sounds like something someone that idolizes serial killers would say. You need to get your priorities together and seek a therapist if you really have a problem with people speaking out against people with creepy obsessions with murderers. 🤪

[@tux_duh]

Who wouldve thought an entire community founded on exploitation could be so toxic

[@pimpstrong333]

Bingo 🎉

[@commitco3213]

Right? Who’d ‘ave thunk

[@Ceilidh222]

i wouldn’t call myself a true crime fan (feels weird to consider myself a “fan” of literal real life horror stories) but i do consume some of the content (mostly for schooling purposes, i do a lot of writing pieces on femicide and other related societal issues), and idk if i was ever invited to a “true crime fest” i would def assume its a trap for a mass murder

[@connie_d]

could you direct me to your femicide stuff? (i'm anti, not pro, in case you're worried. just an area of interest.)

[@Ceilidh222]

@@connie_d im a highschool student so my projects just go straight to my teachers drop off box but i can definitely get him to transfer them over to my personal account

[@faithgoga3983]

I love how Adrian of Coffeehouse crime shows empathy and respect to the victim

[@wesside-333]

What? Was the adderall kicking in when you wrote this?

[@connie_d]

@@Ceilidh222 @notville_ oh gosh no dw i'm an adult, i didn't realise sorry, imma stop talking to you, keep up the good work tho 👍

[@Henry8VIII8]

Every single person involved in this, from the creators to the fans, sounds incredibly insufferable.

[@WaffleBat]

May they all get wet socks.

[@error-try-again-later]

I hope these wannabe main characters live the most boring and vanilla lives imaginable.

[@nope66755]

Broadway performers so yeah

[@Gus-n9u]

@@WaffleBat such a perfect and elegant way to express distain. You do not wish for them to be harmed or stopped, but instead wish that they never truly feel comfort.

[@illford]

They all going to hell

[@acidicanus3318]

literally wtf is a true crime festival.... like imagine having ur life taken away from you and then some person goes on stage and has a great time talking abt ur death... or like ur family member's deatg or best friend's death like wtf????

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

This is why im donating my skeleton to the horror movie industry.

[@bb-mf6qh]

True crime is a broad term and I've seen "cases" that were about survivors who had, most of the time, been kidnapped raped and tortured. Imagine there being a festival for that. Truly sick.

[@luv2skat]

It's not a true crime festival, it's a true crime podcast festival. It's an entire festival focusing solely on the podcast who all have a similar topic The rest of the time they focus on the victims for this weekend they focus on the podcasters.

[@TheTGOAC]

I don't think the victim of a murder would care all that much about a festival talking about their death.

[@LocketInThinePocket]

​@@TheTGOACyou realize that families and friends also get affected by their loved one's death 🤦‍♂️

[@katrinaquezada42]

I literally CACKLED when you got to the part about the 8 people that showed up for the memoir reading.

[@jamoore418]

I screamed!!!

[@averydeering3649]

this is a small thing compared to everything else in this story but I found it really strange that people might be *cosplaying* to a *TRUE* crime convention... what are people gonna cosplay to that

[@notoriously.d2732]

Look up the article Obsessed Pest by James Renner and read all of the allegations if you have 3 minutes. Some important and more inflammatory accusations were skipped in this video.

[@teresaranieri1129]

I guess the company Mischief Management also host Harry Potter conventions and BroadwayCon, so their code of conduct would have covered those types of conventions as well.

[@averydeering3649]

@@teresaranieri1129 oh that makes sense thank you for telling me!

[@Emogothgirl87]

I am so friggin disappointed in Gillian and Patrick. I watched Rabia's video and realized that she was addressing Gillian and Patrick's garbage treatment of Elllyn and Joey. I had to cancel my membership because of their crappy behavior

[@teacupolous]

Daaayyyuuuuummmmm. How did I have no idea?

[@pianogal879]

I am just now realizing all of this. I have been an avid listener for years. So disappointed

[@bettinaolah3080]

Can you link the Rabia video or name the title please?

[@VesnaVK]

Someone please explain, why would Tara be angry at Ellyn in the first place?

[@ConstanceLouis]

I just cancelled my TCO Patreon membership and upped my membership for I think not. I adore Joey and Ellyn and only listened to TCO bc I thought they were still affiliated. I’m late to the party apparently.

[@shariahwarfield4462]

I used to listen to both True Crime Obsessed and Obsessed with Disappeared religiously while I was in high school. I can 100% say he took any opportunity to tokenize himself EVERYTIME. There could be an episode dedicated solely to Native People and he would find a way to try and “relate” it to him being a gay white male in America. It was very uncomfortable in a silencing way. Idk I’ve just witnessed it in multiple occasions and it’s made me uncomfy.(also i’m BI so not in the homophobic way but in the silencing minority voices kind of way)

[@supposedlymel]

as a lesbian, i can say with certainty that gay guys can be just as misogynistic as straight guys. Ive had a gay guy yell about my tits when i was 16 and working, but my coworker who knew him said it was fine cause hes gay. A bunch of guys at pride too sat practically on top of me and my friend when we were sitting on the grass even though there was heaps of space around. True crime content has always had a diversity problem too. I dont listen to these guys. Its shocking but not surprising unfortunately

[@hollydaugherty2620]

Wow, it’s almost like someone’s sexual interests have zero to do with if they’re a good person or not. Shocker.

[@error-try-again-later]

_Some_ of them definitely take advantage. It's even worse when "the gays love me 🤪" women enable their behaviour.

[@bostonb4kedbeans]

​@@hollydaugherty2620oh shut up.

[@elainelouve]

It's annoying how people can get behind "he's gay" or something to justify misogyny. When I reported sexual harrassment to the mods of a certain subreddit, the response from the mod in question was the classic "you're just too sensitive and need to learn to put up with jokes". This was a case of a queer person talking about harrassment like a stereotypical straight misogynistic boomer.

[@kropotkinnie]

real. gay men can be misogynists, fascists, racists, etc. honestly as a trans guy i get really annoyed when people jump on the idea that lesbians have a transphobia problem (there is one, but it's freaking uncommon) when it's statistically far more common for gay men to be bigoted towards trans men especially, often because of their hatred of women being projected. it's a yikes. gay guys are easily the most accepted queer folk in the lgbt community and the common obliviousness to their privilege is absurd

[@Ellyc2929]

We have lost our cultural third spaces. We have home, we have work, but we don't have public "third" spaces anymore where we can gather with others and just...be in community with other humans. Malls were the last big third space, and I think that conventions are our new third space. That is why I'm not surprised that there are true crime conventions, or more specifically, true crime podcast fan conventions. We are craving community.

[@Ratqueenaisy]

2023 and you have to pay a $30 minimum to have a community space :/

[@roleat]

It's why people need religion

[@kellylyons1038]

I agree, church is a great third space. I know religion has been bastardized and can be problematic, toxic, or at its worst a cult. But in general, church was a place where a community could gather and build relationships to work together and know each other. I wish more churches were community-oriented instead of preaching fear and dogma and siphoning money out of the congregation and spreading hate and judgement. Sermons are supposed to be about values and virtue. More ppl would go if religions hadnt ruined their reputations.

[@landofthelivingskies3318]

Exactly!! There's no where to hang out. God I remember when video arcades and pool Halls were the big hangouts. Loud music, tight jeans and big hair....those were the good ol'days.

[@bonesonstones1]

Yes, thank you!! People find it odd and even objectionable (I can see why), but it feels so human to seek out connection to people with similar interests. Churches are no longer a viable option, free spaces are closing down, there's just nothing to replace that.

[@notoriously.d2732]

Long time TCO listener here. Ive been to a live show but not OF. My heckles started going up with Patrick years ago because of the way he sexualized killers & victims and other behaviors he presented as quirks. I would often look to the FB group to see what others were saying and if I ever expressed a negative view about the show or questioned g/p authenticity I was dogpiled so I guess I just gaslit myself and let it go. About a year ago that changed when I tried to get a refund for my "patreon only early release ticket to OF1". It was being held the same weekend as my brothers memorial. I didnt get a refund. TCO employee wanted physical proof I was standing by my brother grave reading poems through sobs to family and friends that weekend instead of being at OF. After that I stopped making excuses and started listening with open ears, the red flags were EVERYWHERE. The virtue signaling was off the charts and then when he called Mallory Beach a dick, I was DONE, as were many others. Many of us on reddit started adjusting reviews and quietly unsubbing/cancelling patreon. The Ellyn drama didnt start to drop for like another 5 or 6 months. Thank you for making this video and spreading this news to many DBs who didnt know! Lastly rumors that a journalist from Rolling Stone is writing an article are swirling. People are saying they were interviewed. Stay tuned and stop giving Patrick Hinds a single penny!!!

[@cocovcoco]

I’m so sorry for your loss. I hope that TCO employee sees the wrong they did and does better at a new job.

[@certified_mandy]

Fellow DB here- I’m so sorry that happened to you.

[@AuntieNise]

I’m so sorry for your loss.

[@jennifermoreno4834]

I stopped subbing their Patreon about 3 years ago. Couldn’t stand GP’s judgemental virtuous act. So transparent.

[@benro6564]

That's so fucked up that they wanted video proof of a fucking memorial. Fuck that guy.

[@stonksers]

The Mischief Management person Melissa Anelli used to run a huge Harry Potter website back in the day... to the point where she actually met and interviewed JK Rowling while the books were being published. Hearing her name again was like feeling someone walking over my grave.

[@asfaltsflickan]

Same, Pottercast was the first podcast I followed and I even have her book somewhere. What a blast from the past 😁

[@esmith4472]

Oh interesting . I straight away thought of mischief managed from Harry Potter and thought she must be a fan lol.

[@peachy_lili]

maybe a hot take, but there's something so disgusting to me that all this drama surrounds a bunch of people profiting and gawking off of people's murders, yet their business name is from a literal children's series. the cognitive dissonance is truly amazing in the TC community -- I can say that as an ex-member

[@Whatlander]

I'm biased, but as soon as he mentioned the event was run by some company named after JKR's writing, it was like, "yeah, makes sense they'd not be great at public relations." Don't get me wrong, it's a great pun, and enjoying a gross person's writing isn't a crime, but I'd have at least unhitched my company's wagon from that franchise if it were me.

[@CommanderWiggins]

​@Whatlander It sucks that the phrase is linked to Harry Potter because it's such a damn good pun but it's forever associated with the writing of the TERF queen.

[@skylerp84]

How and why are people spending over a grand on a true crime festival?

[@notoriously.d2732]

One woman has 4 kids and disabled. Basically OF was her only vacation ever; she was like sobbing at the Q&A on the final day. There's footage of part of it somewhere on the ON subreddit, maybe the OF Megathread. Lots of people were really duped by the "fam" aspect and the virtue signaling. There were some legit acts at the fest too including a MMIW panel and a JFK presentation but most of it was so listeners could meet each other and interact with the pod hosts and they were just basically robbed of their money

[@NotSoPobrecita]

There’s a true crime and paranormal podcast festival that focuses on ethics and advocacy in true crime / paranormal content - the only one that exists of its kind. There are people who want to change the genres. Families, survivors, and advocates all come to it & are treated respectfully. More creators should remember (esp the super successful ones) that they got the success because of these terrible cases.

[@machinegunlament]

Well what's it called

[@NotSoPobrecita]

@@machinegunlament the True Crime & Paranormal Podcast Festival lol

[@RusPitman]

A "true crime festival" is so gross 😬

[@alexv3372]

Same like… Wtf what were they thinking?!

[@selunescorpio]

A lot of disaster festivals in general but a lot more recently. Knitting, NFT, now true crime, all within a short amount of time

[@Musicanimedork01]

Was there an NFT festival ? That must've been a shitshow lol

[@hipstersoulgushers5997]

@@Musicanimedork01 yeah, the organizers bought industrial grade UV sanitization lights to be their venue lighting bc they thought it being expensive ment it was more impressive. Many people who went are going blind and its likely theyre all at a massivly increased risk for skin cancer.

[@marshmellowpops]

Some people allegedly had their eyes/skin burned because the hosts mistakenly used germicidal UVC lights instead of tradition blacklights 😭

[@crizmeow8394]

@@Musicanimedork01it was, they put up lights thinking they were black lights but they were anti germ uv lights so the people that went are now blind and their skin is burn

[@veronica-mew]

​@@notacatnt I think most people wouldn't have the foresight to think that they might be blinded or burned by lights at a festival bro

[@MediecreGoddess]

already using the word "obsessed" when referring to true crime makes me feel sick... and I'm saying this as someone who listens to true crime casually. "obsessed" is a word you use about your favorite show or a new color of lipstick, not about peoples lives being destroyed in heinous ways.

[@Sakythia]

I am (was) a listener of TCO and a Patreon member and didn’t know anything about this news or drama until now. I don’t keep up with their social media and only listen to the podcast and didn’t know anything was wrong until I clicked on this video. Honestly, it’s very shocking but I can see how it happened. I remember Patrick promoting the Obssessed with disappeared podcast on every episode until it suddenly stopped. I never questioned it but it was really odd. Patrick is very loud and can be very abrasive, but it wasn’t as noticeable when it was being bounced off of Gillian’s brunt personality. It’s funny how Gillian was supposed to be the angry one and Patrick was supposed to be the “sweet lovable” one. Patrick played off of the sassy gay stereotype and became more and more into that role as the show progressed. They haven’t mentioned anything about what happened since the episodes are pre recorded so this was honestly a shock. I hate that the two people who prided themselves on being inclusive and accepting were actually awful all along. Thank you for this video, it’s time to cancel that Patreon subscription!

[@frankieffbaby]

same but I randomly checked the FB group recently and they've stopped allowing new posts

[@vanessapaul3913]

I’m so disappointed 😢. Your comment is a perfect representation of what I’m feeling right now.

[@adrianab-f5022]

They haven’t allowed a new post to be made on the FB page since OF23 and and have turned off commenting on their FB and Patreon. They were also refunding accounts their $5 so they could kick them off Patreon sooner because people were posting the link to the Obsessed Pest article and the Google Doc. They’ve also been banning people from the Fb page for talking about it. It’s been wild. Patrick has just been hoping if he remains silent, it will all pass by with no repercussions to him.

[@certified_mandy]

@@frankieffbabythey haven had new posts in a long time. They are silencing people. I left and no longer support them.

[@ElizabetAnna]

Your comment basically explains the exact position I’m in. Didn’t know anything about any of this until this video. Very disheartening to hear and won’t be listening

[@Amelia-er2sn]

'true crime' and 'festival' should never even be in the same sentence, this is so gross

[@mrjohnson8343]

Hi fam, In a business that profits off the worst possible things that have happened to people, are you really surprised it's filled with absolute psychos?

[@kellylyons1038]

Not surprised. Just disappointed and disgusted.

[@michiganwright8300]

Well I guess you could say the same about the highly watched Dateline, Disappeared and every other TV show that does the same thing. I think not os a comedy that finds the things that we are all thinking about the Reenactments of thse shows. She regularly reaches out to police and families about their stories!

[@mrjohnson8343]

@@michiganwright8300 solid whataboutism, but yes that applies to Dateline and all of those shows. If they held a convention for To Catch a Predator, I would judge every single person attached to that. Also "reaching out" is nice, but monetizing video entertainment based on the murder/victimization of their loved ones is still gross.

[@MrLugubrious]

​@@mrjohnson8343It's funny that you should mention To Catch A Predator considering he absolute unhinged bs Chris Hansen inflicted on Onision's SA victims

[@michiganwright8300]

@@mrjohnson8343 I hear that 100% . A lot of True Crime podcasters use money they earn to fund things that are helping solve big unsolved cases! Ellyn and Joey wanted more freedom to do good things too. I don't think PH or GP is about using a dollar of income toward anything but themselves, they are definitely gross.

[@DaxxLexx]

You know, the weekend of that con, my friend took me to a local gay bar where his friend works. He was complaining that the night before they had been "invaded" by a bunch of true crime people. Apparently it really threw the ratio off because it was like 90% women. But they made good tips that night at least 😅

[@certified_mandy]

I won’t lie, Patrick and Gillian basically make it seem like gay bars are an OK place for straight women can be in because they are “allies”. I would never go into a gay bar (that is for gay men) because that is their safe space rightfully.

[@piratesswoop725]

@@certified_mandyYeah, their FB group really fetishizes gay men and drag performers. It’s so gross but because it’s flattering to P, no one is allowed to call it out 🙄

[@femmedandy]

There's more context to that. That was the fans supporting the person who got screamed at while boycotting the official event at that time. She's a podcaster but also a broadway performer and did karoke there.

[@xiggles]

A few years ago my mom took me to a True Crime Obsessed live show with Patrick and Jillian, it was the worst live show I've ever been to. I just _knew_ these people were completely insufferable both on and off stage. I can't say I'm shocked to see what they're up to these days lol

[@notoriously.d2732]

The Maura Murray show? I was at the show in Boston

[@xiggles]

@@notoriously.d2732 it was the Maura Murray show, though I didn't see it in Boston. I can't remember exactly where but if they went to a Pennsylvania city it was that one lol

[@BritInvLvr]

I don’t know why I am so interested in drama about people I don’t know. It’s like eavesdropping on my mom and her friends gossiping when I was a kid. I didn’t know who they were talking about either. Lol

[@scepticalhyenas5750]

29:48 her yelling _"leave us alone, please! Just leave us alone!"_ feels EXACTLY like that Marshfield, Wisconsin woman cry-screaming at the police that she _needs to go to work PLEASE sir please PLEASE LET ME GO TO WORK I NEED TO GO TO WORKKKKKK_

[@izstrkv]

SKJFKSJDJFCB I FORGOT AB THAT VIDEO 😭😭😭😭😭 my favorite part is when one of the cops behind her calls her number after she kept saying it wasn't hers, and she fucking answers before realizing it's just one of the cops like "hello? oh -" 💀💀💀

[@aleahsimpson7373]

This is so niche but I know exactly what you’re talking about 😂😂

[@drill4206]

😂😂😂😂 yesss

[@User-yu8er]

That fake panic attack sounded exactly like the Victoria's Secret Karen. The exact same tone of voice😂

[@beanstalks8]

that whole "panic attack" made me laugh with how fake it was 😭 like girl... come on, we all know you just can't stand being called out so ur making a huge deal out of it

[@Avrilandosanders]

I was at Obessed Fest last year and during their live show (that was the same as their tour with a different doc plugged in) Patrick admitted that he will lie or make things up. Witnessed it first hand when he said this daughter was charging for autographs and then didn't remember he started that rumor. I dont follow them on socials so i missed all this but im not surprised. TCO really doesnt take criticism well. If its about how they talk about people they pull the "people can like what they like, not judging" or "comments are going to be mad at us" card. And if its about their reporting on the case they pull the "we're a comedy podcast!" While also being real quick to connect themselves with people who do help out victims.

[@adrianab-f5022]

When people have brought up that they want more content about POC or MMIW and how there is a sever lack of that type of content, Patrick responded very rudely to those people, and then immediately went on about how they hired a POC and so they can’t be racist…

[@piratesswoop725]

@@adrianab-f5022The FB group is a great example of this because they/their mods will frequently ignore the concerns of their POC listeners and cater to the fragile feelings of their majority white female fans. There was a LOT of fetishization of gay men but because probably Patrick felt like he was being idolized, it was allowed. Black posters called them out for not following through on their promise to feature more documentaries featuring POC and were silenced or removed from the group.

[@sari9645]

I know it’s none of my business but I genuinely wanna know why Terra Newell was losing it at Ellyn in the elevator

[@LaurenHallden]

The guy who wrote the Medium article reached out to her to ask if she’d still be attending as a presenter given the allegations of toxicity; she seemed to take issue with that. She had some existing beef with that writer over unrelated sexual harassment allegations elsewhere in the true crime community. I’m guessing she felt he was only asking her to criticize her. There’s also the question of whether Terra and the network were working on a future business deal. Either way it seems she got fed a line that Ellyn was trying to ruin Patrick/the network, and she took her frustration with everything out on Ellyn.

[@dahliacheung6020]

I lost a lot of respect for Terra seeing that. I mean, all props to her for surviving what she did but hearing that she treat an innocent person so badly and then seeing her act so manipulatively is disappointing. I'm very glad she apologized

[@federal.threat]

@@dahliacheung6020 It's upsetting that this appears to be true more than not, but hurt people hurt people. It's not ultra rare to see the abused become the abuser, as that's just what they were raised on developmentally. It takes growth, maturing, and changing your character for the better (or rather, taking your life into your own hands and driving yourself in a positive direction).

[@luv2skat]

As I understand it, she is trying to be friends with Patrick because she sees him as a big wig in the true crime podcast space. So she was saying Ellen is causing problems for Patrick and therefore for her. That's what I've heard around Reddit. But both Terra and Collier reached out to Ellyn and Joey and as far as The four of them are concerned, there is no beef there. The beef is still with Patrick and mischief management.

[@sari9645]

@@LaurenHalldenthank you so much for explaining!

[@lorakelly7726]

As someone that had listened to all mentioned I can say the following: The way P spoke to E on OWD and made comments about her toxic ex husbands body was the first time I questioned his true self In the last few months before the article and OF23 drama, I felt the energy in TCO shifted. P talked over G, and tried to link every episode to him G is the exact opposite of “let the women do the work” And lastly, Joey is the friend Patrick pretended to be

[@yarabean]

one of the biggest issues i have with true crime is that the people telling these horrific events have no remorse for the victims and families. creating a festival for these things is dystopian. i get crime cons, because they're normally focused on helping families of victims, but a festival? what's festive about someone's last moments

[@bararobberbaron859]

To be fair, carjackings, hacking, scamming, catfishing and crimes like that are also 'true crime'. Though I know a lot of these podcasts and such are about murder, technically Coffeezilla is also a true crime channel. Though I still don't know why you'd have a festival about carjackings of course, but it's not all murder and blood.

[@LarryXLR]

Notice how JCS, Dreading, Red Tree, Coffeehouse Crime, Explore With Us and Misery Machine were not there. Wanna know why? Because they all have a conscience. Who goes to a True Crime festival?

[@mckennadishongh2160]

Literally know and watch all of those guys. Have never even heard of any of the people mentioned in this video. I think just the picture of the cover of their podcast showed me why.

[@eyecontactleadsto]

Shoutout to the true heroes - those that compile the google docs. Collecting all the data and receipts into one place is not unappreciated!

[@soleilolay]

a true crime fest seems highly unethical..

[@llewelynshingler2173]

Unless it's exclusively about the Maple Syrup bandits or History's bungling crooks.

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

I'm shocked at how much money these true crime content creators seem to make. Imagine if Obsessed used all the money for that convention and donated it instead to the families of the victims that they covered as well as related charities and organizations. But that would require self-reflection and seeing the victims/victims' families as real people and not characters in a creepypasta.

[@Jmg5594]

For context, Rabia Chaudry and Ellyn have a podcast called Rabia and Ellyn solve the case. She was highly involved with the Serial Adnan Sayed case. Gillian and Patrick befriended her when they covered serial and their friendship seemed to circle on talking about how good rabia smells and just latching on to her intelligence and connections with powerful people in true crime. She isn’t a random person chiming in. She has known Patrick and Gillian for a long time. She is now team Ellyn and Joey. She was on an obsessed fest panel last year. She isn’t just some angry fan that mischief management decided to message back, she actually is a public figure and well known in the obsessed network/true crime world.

[@brigade7678]

That irritated me that she was portrayed as a bit of a nobody when shes quite important to the community of true crime as a whole, lifting up older active cases.

[@VesnaVK]

Yes! Rabia is the reason that this podcast genre exists in the first place. Without Rabia, there would have been no Serial. And, importantly, no Undisclosed. (This American Life was looking for a story, but the one Rabia brought to Sara turned out to be lightning in a bottle.)

[@connormcdowell2]

How dare he treat Tony award winning actress Daisy Eagan like that 😰😭

[@coreyclarke1604]

3 years from now we'll have a podcast talking about the true crime that came out of this situation.

[@alhsr1]

This falling out makes me really sad, but I can’t say I’m surprised. I used to be an avid TCO listener and I fell off early this year. Patrick and Gillian seem to be on another planet and engrossed in their own stardom. Ellyn & Joeys show is better bc they’re still real people.

[@jennifermoreno4834]

Agreed. G & P are just narcissistic loud mouths now.

[@FashionableObserver]

Yeah. P&G are just high on their own supply and Tara and that guy are just white-knuckling it on P&G’s coattails. What a mess.

[@amandasoul]

Omg as a listener of the podcast since it’s inception. After all of this, I canceled my Patreon for true crime, obsessed and upped it for I think not. I’ve met ellyn and Joey and they are both amazing human beings. ❣️

[@evilbag]

I’m a huge fan of this network listening to ITN and TCO weekly, but since I don’t do much of their social media I had NO idea about any of this. Really surprising to see honestly, but I feel so bad for Ellyn.

[@officialsprunt]

If anyone is insterested, Ellyn made an episode for her podcast with Rabia "Rabia and Ellyn solve the Case" that covers the entire situation and their own personal commentary. Its for their "about damn crime" segment, and the entire video call is on youtube. I recommend it for anyone who wants more information

[@VesnaVK]

Thanks for the tip!

[@SaDyHe]

There’s something so gross about Terra’s using ‘taking down dirty John’ as her claim to fame, yet she also uses her ptsd from that as a weapon against people.

[@VesnaVK]

Can someone please explain why she was angry at Ellyn? I don't understand the elevator thing.

[@aleahsimpson7373]

I think you’re characterization of Terra is pretty gross tbh. Should people use their trauma to lash out at people? Of course not. However, characterizing Terra being forced to kill a man in self defense as her, “claim to fame” seems extremely disrespectful. While it is true that she’s been granted many opportunities because of what she had to go through, it doesn’t diminish the seriousness of what happened to her. The public doesn’t know why she freaked out in that moment, so framing it as her , “Weaponizing her PTSD,” seems incredibly baseless and insensitive. A simple misunderstanding could have triggered her legitimate mental health issues, which would still mean Ellen didn’t do anything wrong. This doesn’t have to be a good guy vs bad guy situation.

[@mattuwu9978]

This is my first time hearing about any of this, and I just have one thing to say: The _True Crime community_ getting into _drama??_ Who could’ve guessed??? 🤧

[@kitr.1930]

The fact that these people are trying to leech money out of horrific circumstances like this are absolutely abhorrent. Someone else's murder should NEVER be your paycheck, unless you are DIRECTLY INVOLVED in bringing those involved to justice. This is just disgusting, so is anyone who does this crap.

[@sophiemyers1035]

Hearing all of this is so upsetting to me- TCO has been my favorite podcast for years, but I believe the many people saying that Patrick and Gillian are assholes, even tho I haven't been exposed to that side of them as a listener. It sounds like the masks have been slipping for a while, but I don't really do social media so this is the first I'm hearing about all of this and I feel betrayed. And I'm fucking mad about it. As much as I hate it, THANK YOU for sharing this information with the world. People who treat others that poorly don't deserve a platform.

[@SaltyRxtech]

Im so heartbroken about the podcast I used to listen to on my way to work. Thank you for doing amazing coverage of everything. Just a quick note at 36:49 rabia chaudrey isn’t just a hater, she’s a lawyer and heads the serial podcast about adnan syiad. A close friend of the obsessed network. When the Obsessed network started she was close to Patrick and Ellyn. Given her statement she’s close to ellyn now 🎉. I’m very happy to hear her speaking out. Given that she was there and told the management how to handle it, I’ll take the lawyers word over the management company!

[@clarinetjazz]

She has a podcast with Ellyn that was purposefully not on the Obsessed Network. She's been team Ellyn for quite a while.

[@SaltyRxtech]

@@clarinetjazzthank you for letting me know! I had no clue and it makes me happy to know that they are besties it seems🎉

[@MushuWindy]

Wow! This is news to me! I've been listening to the TCO podcast for years (on and off). I was even a Patreon member and had been in their FB group. It wasn't until this year where I left the group and canceled my membership. The FB group had gotten really toxic and spammy. People were really rude, and there was little to no moderation for that. I've kind of stopped listening to the podcast because something seemed 'off'. It feels like P and G have gotten really big egos now and all they do is talk about themselves and really just gloss over the actual story/documentary. - Thanks for brining this to light for everyone that doesn't really follow social media drama!

[@carlatitichoca993]

if you're miserable enough to dedicate your life and career to profiting off the immense suffering of others, i feel like every little crumb of discomfort and drama is incredibly deserved. great video, laughed the whole time.

[@supertoaster0229]

Nothing wrong with being interested in true crime, but this strange shift from it being this kind of dark topic handled with some level of care to wearing Barbie customs to a whole convention dedicated to these crimes is really strange. I feel like these people got lost in the plot of what true crime is. Real crimes with real victims, not a place for witty banter or bright colors and jokes.

[@tj-8422]

The topic of this video: Infighting at the true crime festival The comment section: Why does this festival exist?

[@Bookworm-ye9qi]

Austin, hearsay comment section posts are not very reliable. Next time you see one that interests you, ask yourself "how do I know if they are telling the truth? How do I know if they have the correct information and are not mistaken?"

[@sidneyvictor7887]

True crime obsessed is impossible to listen to. 75% ad reads 20% talking about themselves and no respect for the victims when talking about the cases. Honestly not surprised to hear any of this.

[@ivana2609]

Reading the title made me go "there's a WHAT?". True crime and festival are not words I thought would see side by side

[@lilliricardo2814]

I have been a fan of Ellyn from her Broadway career and realized I also knew Joey. They are the nicest most sincere people and had no idea this happened. Patrick used to be awful and degrading to Ellyn, everyone would agree. Melissa from mischief is from Broadwaycon and is basically a con artist. The lies they wrote are revolting. Good coverage. Thank you.

[@Ghost19_]

Been a true crime fan ever since the Discovery, Nat Geo and eventually, Crime + Investigation Channels tried to properly pioneer this genre, but never in my life would I ever dream nor wished to see a FESTIVAL about it. An informative event maybe? That might be possible as long as it strongly adhere to respect and protect the victims and spread an educational awareness intended by the event.

[@jjw5811]

Keeping up with true crime out of interest, and going to a convention all about it, feel like two very different things. At that point it feels like it’s leaving the general curiosity about the topic territory and entering using murder as entertainment territory

[@ScaryMonstersSuperCreeps69]

As the great Latrice Royale once said, "The level of unprofessionalism... far too much." This entire story is just unprofessional behavior after unprofessional behavior.

[@ICUPerin]

i was about to comment, “why does this guy remind me of Nickisnotgreen” and then it hit me… like a train- what a set of power siblings… okay imma watch the video now

[@MissusAnon]

20:21 Patrick: "Nobody tells me anything." WOW WHAT A MYSTERY, I WONDER WHY THAT COULD BE? Could it be because he makes the people around him walk on eggshells? _I guess we'll never know._

[@Grandma_Jizzzzzzzard]

Rabia Chaudry is the attorney from Serial I believe.

[@LivingLaVidaLaila]

Yup! She’s a massive figure in the TC community.

[@laurenc4138]

From a psychological stand point I find documentaries about serial killers and their victims fascinating, but I know it’s a morbid fascination and more based in “what on earth could make someone turn out like this”. I also can only watch stuff like this a few times a year because it always breaks my heart for their victims. That might sound corny but thinking of these horrible things and someone living through them, it breaks something in me. I don’t love true crime or love these monsters, even though I love a good story these victims aren’t stories, they were living breathing human beings with lives and loved ones… all that to say I find people that say they’re “obsessed” with true crime so weird and a lot of times gross. They’re not good people let’s be real. Even sometimes I’ve watched Bailey Sarian’s videos and despite liking her a lot, she herself had admitted she feels a disconnect from these being anything but stories now since she’s done it so long, but what’s worse are her comments section will be people teeheeing about a minor joke she made or her dropping something or just being her, and it feels SO gross reading it when she’s talking about some dude disemboweling a bunch of people. This all just feels like late-stage-internet disconnect from humanity. It really scares me more than these killers sometimes.

[@selenagomez2504]

A true crime convention sounds crazy like what do you even do, sounds like going to police press conferences and treating it like they dropping teasers for a new marvel movie

[@pandaboy5o]

As a former listener of both podcasts, I no longer listen to tco, I remember them announcing the first obsessed fest and I remember thinking wow this is a true crime doc in the making. I knew something sketch would happen at it.

[@brookecroff7166]

Rabia is a friend of Adnan Syed, you may have heard he just got released recently! She was heavily featured on the SERIAL podcast about the case and then came out with her own. She's an amazing advocate and an icon in her own right!

[@brookecroff7166]

Justice for Hae Min Lee btw, her case still isn't solved!!

[@cocovcoco]

I was hoping to see this about Rabia in the comments. 😅

[@SM-yd8hq]

@@brookecroff7166thank you. More time spent saying her name rather than Rabia who makes a living out of this terrible crime

[@brookecroff7166]

@@SM-yd8hq I wish there was more focus on Hae overall. I get that Rabia is passionate about helping her friend and that Hae's family doesn't really want the stress of having to go through another investigation, but she still needs justice.

[@brookecroff7166]

@@Jade-hr1mf You're right, it's incredibly unfortunate for the family that the right person is not behind bars. That person was not Adnan, hence why he was finally let out after serving more than 2 decades of an unjust sentence. If you believe he is guilty, I have to assume you don't know much about the case. I agree that he probably won't do something like this in the future, as he never did it in the first place. Justice for Hae Min Lee, hopefully they reinvestigate with more prowess and find the responsible party.

[@xpouii-3992]

“Somebody named Rabia” oh my god as a fan of true crime podcasts this is the funniest way I’ve ever heard Rabia referred to.

[@vl5008]

Not Terra with the white woman tears!!! 😂😂😂

[@Pipkiablo]

I like true crime, but my favorite part about it is hearing about the victims, not their deaths, but how they were as people, what they liked to do, their pets, their families, anything that made them who they were. I wish more people who discussed true crime would delve into that aspect. I feel like it gives them back their humanity and makes them something more than a cold body underground. Having an entire festival about their murderers and calling it "obsessed" seems really disturbing to me...

[@kardonay]

When people get money and power their true character comes through

[@daneen2fabulous]

Patrick's idea of handling bad publicity is to pretend it never happened. He did the same thing with Chrissy Tiegen--she was on their show for a minute and they both fangirled until it came out that she bullied Courtney Stodden to the point of encouraging her to off herself and when they were pressed to comment they just zipped their lip.

[@masterofwit339]

I had made a comment under a YT video about a recent true crime horror story and someone replied explaining how terrified her family is that their personal familicide event could possibly end up online via any one of the hundreds of TC channels or podcasts. She and I exchanged quite a few comments and it truly opened my eyes to how intrusive, invasive and in such poor taste 99% of these types of channels operate and are. This “con” sounds like a money grab over anything else. Gross. I should mention I’ve never heard of any of these podcasts and I’m also a brand new sub to your channel.

[@nwerd7584]

people like these are what made me phase out non straight forward true crime. its more about them than the crimes.

[@hailiepaige]

obsessed with true crime started out really good ngl. they truly cared about the docs they talked about and showed respect. slowly they (patrick) leaned waaay more into the comedy. patrick is so full of himself doing a book tour for almost a year literally doing anything to get his book on the best sellers list.

[@georgiah9481]

The "leave us alone" is giving "i'm a star" lol

[@benjaminmcelroy6894]

Wait ...Daisy Eagan??? Like tony award wining performance as Mary Lenox in the broadway cast of The Secret Garden Daisy Eagan????

[@Jmg5594]

Yes

[@geminico61]

14:49, I often find misogynistic men base their respect of women based on how much they’d like to/their ability to have sex with them. If the woman isn’t conventionally attractive, automatically their respect lowers. If she’s hot but rejects his advances, he’ll call her every synonym for “sl*t” or “b*tch” that he can think of. Gay men obviously aren’t attracted to women, so for that one portion of their population, women are automatically much lesser to them, it’s just they’re able to hide it better? Don’t even get me started on the gay men that decide to become a stereotypical caricature of black women.. This obviously does not apply to every gay man ever, but ignoring it makes people complicit. Thank you for talking about this whole story!!

[@Maiden_to_mother]

This is absolutely ridiculous and absurd and it lacks so much empathy and compassion. These people don’t care about the cases they talk about, they just care about the money it brings them, especially Patrick. I had a manager just like Patrick and I understand how horribly that kind of energy effects you. He shouldn’t be covering the murder of innocent people AT ALL

[@LillerThatIsMe]

8 people showed up 😂 I wasn’t prepared

[@joshiedtv6178]

I think “true crime festival” is a misrepresentation of what ObsessedFest actually is. It’s a podcast convention primarily. Most of the podcasters cover true crime but not all true crime is violent. The talent at both this year and last cover things such as wrongful convictions, prison breaks, and I Think Not literally covered a series called Pink Collar Crimes that dealt with mostly white collar crimes. That’s the direction a lot of the people involved go with their live shows and panels at OF. Several DO cover violent crimes but they’re respectful of victims and families when they do. I Think Not even donates to funds and rewards for the victims of series and docs they cover. The comedy comes in with reenactments, aloof law enforcement, and silly situations like a robbery gone terribly wrong. And Bobbie Lynn just wanted her $143 back!

[@tracylpreston2531]

Plus, the missing indigenous women panel was informative and gave voice to this very important subject.

[@piratesswoop725]

Agreed, the title is misleading.

[@Lady_Phoenix]

I see your point, but nothing was stopping them from calling it : a convention, panel, conversation, or even simply event. "Festival" was a deliberate choice by marketing and absolutely set the tone. No way "true crime" producers failed to take priming into account

[@Natasha-bf6yk]

im so here for everyone in the comment section mentioning how disgusting it is to have a festival about true crime -especially one that doesn't give any $ to the victims and their families. this really should not be a thing.

[@uikmnhj4me]

I could see having a conference where people talk about trends in crime, unsolved cases, and self defense options, with panels of psychologists and criminal profilers there to answer questions. But not a FESTIVAL

[@jjuni98]

22:49 oh this is terrifying 😰 the way she can turn on the tears so quickly is scary af

[@natsinthebelfry]

I'm interested in true crime but I have thankfully never heard of any of these people before. I'm amazed and appalled to learn that their convention is worth twice our local Comic Con! Hell, I could have paid these schmucks 250 bucks to tell me to smile more but instead I paid 60 bucks to meet Henry Winkler and for him to call me "as cute as a button". I think I made the right choice.

[@GemAndMoth]

An adult man using the word “welp”’to address something serious is beyond cringe.

[@coldslaws]

"Soooo.. that just happened 😳"

[@apotheose]

people who exploit murder victims' stories for a living claiming to be "traumatised" from having a conversation with their colleagues in an elevator is exactly my kind of humour

[@piratesswoop725]

To be fair, Terra herself was a victim-she killed a man who married her mom but was abusive and manipulative. He tried to abduct her so she fought back. Dude was a nasty piece of work with a criminal history.

[@lavender111]

I am/was a huge fan of TCO and I had no idea about all this drama. It’s so disappointing just I’ll end my Patreon membership now. Can anyone suggest a new true crime podcast to listen too?

[@Tanner2331]

I think not lol actual good people that care about the cases they cover.

[@tinybarbarian2825]

I’m a true crime “fan” and I’m quite grossed out by the fact that there’s an event for it. I listen to a lot of Payne Lynsey’s stuff but I’ve literally never heard of the others involved

[@cocomueller]

i listened through this entire video while cleaning my room despite not knowing who any of these people are or even a smidge about true crime

[@feeltheillinois]

true crime has an annual festival??? wtffff. why cant everyone just sit at home in front of their computer watching true crime docs while eating like every other normal person. going to a whole festival is very weird and seems like some sort of forced get together for antisocial freaks lol