This Video Was Published From Windows 98... Almost

[@MichaelMJD]

Ok so I got this to work! Here’s the followup video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apSteaqeitJ5nrc

[@thatasianbythestreet1082]

hi

[@oliverearnest7081]

Hi

[@NorbiPeti]

hihi

[@VTXHobbies]

Awesome!!

[@Stratoshawn]

:D

[@alephcake]

"Oh, Windows 98, you never fail to fail"

[@NightendYT]

but yt never existed..

[@kernel_data_inpage_error]

If you succeed at failing, are you a success or a failure?

[@NightendYT]

@@kernel_data_inpage_error ???

[@Windows_98]

I will never fail to fail Probably

[@alexfrancais4823]

@@john-vg9lg its Task failed successfully

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

This is one of those tales of "Everything that can go wrong does go wrong"

[@bogdaybp4941]

Yes.

[@georgek4416]

Murphy's Law.

[@skyyed]

Krazy Kens law also but it's Murphys Law

[@skyyed]

@Kryštof Píštěk Damn ima go watch some of his videos

[@karanaputranugraha8ih347]

Murphy law yes..... I hate it

[@askhowiknow5527]

On the Windows 10 computer you may want to go to "add/remove windows features" and turn on SMB/CIFS 1.0

[@markpage2779]

I was going to suggest that as well. Works on XP

[@macyler]

And then make sure to turn it back off when done. There are serious vulnerabilities in old SMB versions.

[@KaitoTriforce]

The machines can see each other because of NetBios, but File Shares for Windows 9x only support SMB 1, which is disabled in newer Versions of Windows 10. But there are further problems, because Window 9x also uses old NTLM-Logins with very weak encryption, which are also blocked by default. The easiest way would be to just use a FTP-Server like FileZilla Server or just use the Raspberry Pi. (Windows never had a modern/secure FTP-Client/-Server, even Windows 10 doesn't support encrypted connections. So there are no compatibility issues.) TFTP would also be a good alternative solution.

[@DOSdaze]

This is correct; I still transfer files between my Windows 3.11 and 95 machines over SMB 1.0 to Windows 10. Also, I find it easier to just set static IPs and refer to those on the network rather than relying on netbios to find the host names.

[@pmsrodrigues]

This!

[@dotmatrixmoe]

Windows 98 PC: Kill me. MJD: Later.

[@gp3328]

Underrated

[@MadManToss]

(TF2 meet the medic Spy and Medic)

[@DragonProtector]

Ya

[@ProtoMario]

Back 11 years ago my ex was runninv windows 95 still on her pc, I was like wtf is this?

[@ermmwhatthe]

@제온 LOL

[@cheezyvids]

I'm very sure an aunt of mine had a Windows 95 machine back in 2010, and I do vividly remember playing some Scooby Doo game. Anyways how do you manage to be basically everywhere?

[@Unused-b4j]

Lol hey proto

[@Z64sports]

I've never even seen 95 in person. 98 was on my first pc. Used it till about 2012 when it stopped working

[@TrentonDoesStuff.]

Runninv

[@silvy7394]

lol why didnt you just copy it into floppy's? Yeah it might take an extra 1.5 years, but at least you'll have the file on the machine.

[@TechNetworkUK]

Great idea lol

[@spaceneb8122]

Why didn't mjd just use a different user agent

[@TRLTheRandomLab]

Or over serial cable! :)

[@chaostoasty]

cds exist

[@OliveIsTyping]

Wow you got pinned

[@panqueque445]

"Device does not exist on the network" "BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE! YOU'RE LITERALLY CONNECTING TO IT!" "Did I stutter?"

[@EthanAlexander]

lol

[@Tsaukpaetra]

Windows file sharing is so laughable it's not even funny anymore.

[@DigitalHandle]

Yes

[@jackedup447]

Pretty sure it happens because of NT protections. The way to do it however was to get into the shared 98 folder from the Win 10 PC. Thats what usually worked for me tbh.

[@jmoralesv03]

@@jackedup447 that's correct.

[@GearSeekers]

Network plan was an easy fix. Use the additional features installer on Windows 10 and install SMB 1.0

[@MichaelMJD]

I’ve been seeing that a lot, good to know there’s a fix for it. I still found the error message hilarious though

[@AirknightTails]

I had that SAME thought. Great Minds think alike :)

[@sundhaug92]

@@MichaelMJD Reason is that SMB1 is old and insecure

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Hiiiiiii Gear Seekers!

[@GearSeekers]

@@MichaelMJD That error message is pretty rude lol 🤣

[@NTGTechnology]

This is Druaga1 levels of things going wrong.

[@LeoInterVir]

The internet would break.

[@Bruh-rj5vw]

Michael breaking a cd for our entertainment, ah yes.

[@espertalhao041]

On the control panel, you probably need to switch to the old encryption used for the network shares. Also, the printer probably didn't recognize the card because it is formatted in ex-FAT by default. If you try to format in FAT32, it should probably show on the network share.

[@lucasrem1870]

the FAT format would on USB drives, it's backward compatible with the USB1 interface too. He need to learn skills, but needs hits, a JOB!!!

[@JanglePangle]

I really like the mix of jokes, abrupt cuts, flustered confusion, silly title card, elevator music etc mixed with clear information in this video. It's a really fun balance. I enjoy your more dry informational videos a lot too, but this one was fantastic.

[@jdatlas4668]

Whoa, I never knew I wanted this but know I absolutely need more of this.

[@enoc4562]

@Corentyn what is it? i forgot but i think i know

[@joshrod9008]

@@enoc4562 it's the bisexual pride flag

[@enoc4562]

@@joshrod9008 ok

[@justinhamilton8647]

Bi powerrrr

[@BrainiumBasher9001]

i hate your pfp

[@woodenotaku]

About that network transfer stuff: the version of file sharing used by Windows 98 is a bit crap. Following limitations apply: It is SMBv1 only, whereas latest version of SMB is 3. Also all usernames and passwords must be set to the current user on the 98 system. Unfortunately Microsoft removes SMBv1 support in the latest versions of Windows 10. Remember WannaCry? That was a bug in SMBv1. So how can you transfer files via Windows File Sharing to/from a 98 PC? Use either Linux/BSD or Windows 7 at the other end. Or make an FTP server instead.

[@TechNetworkUK]

I think it’s a really amazing idea to look back at old machines and computers that’s why I love this channel 👍

[@MichaelMJD]

Thank you!

[@frowningtap]

Smb versions, wanna cry was the reason smb1 was turned off

[@Manacho]

Your "Steps" editing was superb

[@qpol]

my 3ds is not able to sign in to my youtube account for "security reasons" but signing into it via google search works

[@kyanhluong]

Control panel > Program and features > Turn windows features on and off >expand SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing support > look at the options

[@GumSkyloard]

Alternate title - Michael breaking his head and losing hope for 7:44 minutes.

[@Dolphin002]

The fact that this was 15 seconds away from midroll ads...

[@Ethereal6541]

you should try logging in through your main pc, copying the cookie to a pen drive and doing the whole file transition process again, it probably would work

[@Root3264]

Could it be, that you'd have to activate smb 1.0 in Windows features on windows 10 to make the 98's drive visible?

[@OysterBrain]

This. But smb v1 is turned off by default in newer systems for a reason. An EternalBlue one, namely

[@JayBmusic]

Exactly my thought.

[@DragonProtector]

I forgot this but ya

[@GenericPast]

Your network issues reminded me of the days of playing C&C red alert 2 over LAN and the bizarre problems getting everyone to see each other.

[@markmental6665]

I love seeing people doing modern things with old OSes. This video inspired me to try using windows 2000 to write a program with java for the hell of it. Turns out you still can if you install openjdk 6 and netbeans 6.5.1!

[@airness21]

1:44 install a nusb driver and it should work

[@HughMiller98]

The voice crack in 'Yes it does', I'm dying. I think we've all sounded like that thanks to a computer at one point

[@ponysoftonline4533]

As someone whos still using 90s hardware and software on a daily basis all I could do was watch and laugh as I saw you encounter all the problems that I've had to work around for the last 5 years of my Windows 2000 journey. I forget all too often that most people don't know how to use old tech practically and productively like I do.

[@scorch527]

I run my Win98 PC off a Compact Flash card IDE adaptor. No HD noise, more speed and copying files is a breeze!

[@absenteechild8542]

You know you're watching a high quality tech video when the title cards for each new plan are indistinguishable from the MS paint memes from 2018 and progressively get more convoluted

[@justgimppy431]

Got this in my recommendations, not really my thing but I respect the mans diligence. All I can say is keep it up man l, you’ve got my support.

[@Wolterhon]

This was a fun journey! Thank you for an another interesting video!

[@annjrue]

This video was edited so well and very funny. More of this please!

[@aanjaneyamehrotra2100]

The new transitions seem awesome! also...that cd was definitely....not broken....

[@Amber_123]

editing and humor on point as always!

[@_ace55]

I love these kinds of videos where you use old tech to do stuff :D Thanks for sharing!

[@patrlim]

To quote the scientists from half life "What in the blazes is going on with our Equipment?" "It... was never supposed to do this in the first place"

[@H3adcrash]

Accessing Win98 network shares on Win10 works absolutely fine! However, you have to manually enable samba version 1.0 in Win10 again for it to show up. They disabled this per default for security reasons. This is my main way of moving files to and from my old Win98 box. Good video! I have to tinker around with Browservice now! :D

[@ah1rooivalk]

@2:43 oh those errors and frustrations in setting up a local network with some indications it work and some it does not takes me back to the old lan days. Nostalgic and I can even feel your frustration XD

[@supersungal2]

I've been doing a lot of physical media digitizing for work and I 100% feel your frustration with dealing with old tech :)

[@notthatntg]

Well done! As a reward for your hard work, I'm subbing.

[@MichaelMJD]

Thanks so much for subscribing!

[@samismydog]

Why would you torture yourself like that?!?

[@daemonspudguy]

For our entertainment

[@HeenaPatel253]

For money

[@Alex-cn1xt]

@@HeenaPatel253 Hey! Why Are You controversial?

[@triliner254]

@@Alex-cn1xt Hey! You Are Being Controversial By Typing Like this.

[@triliner254]

@@ArisWorld2008 O

[@AKiwi]

I was going to dislike for clickbaiting, but I saw the “Almost” in the title and watched more and now i’m really interested in the process lol

[@Brownques]

Probably my favourite video from you so far!

[@awgybop1]

I would've definitely tried setting up an FTP Server and connecting with an FTP client on the Windows 98 PC, but the router idea was very clever - I wouldn't have ever thought of that.

[@SloppyPuppy]

Im surprised something so nieche like UPnP had such good backwards capability, but hey thats something to be expected, fuck propriatery software.

[@emaaaaax]

Wow the editing was awesome keep up this style

[@capnkjeg]

Man idk how, but your videos are getting even better over time. Keep doing what you're doing lmao

[@president00007]

This should be in the "but everything goes wrong" series

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

Networking on Windows 9x has always been hit or miss for me. Usually I would be able to access a shared file from a Windows XP box from the network. But then it would cut off copying a file seeminlgly random or just not be able to access the XP machine the next day. Frustrating 😂

[@doomchild29lol44]

We love your videos! i absolutely share it by my friends sometimes!

[@MichaelMJD]

Thank you! I appreciate that!

[@hibiscvs]

please, consider making long, druaga1-style videos and upload it on mjdextras! the long, mostly unedited, mostly unresearched messing around with computers videos are pretty relaxing and fun to watch.

[@Frrixy]

This video has such a different style, and it's great. I'd love to see more of this style keep this up!

[@junkynioy]

I love the editing here, and my favourite video! XD

[@Realunmaker]

I loved the video! I loved trying to guess what method would you try next. Back then we had to try so many things when some didn't work, I haven't had problems with stuff that needed me tinkering that much these past decade or 15 years.

[@linux_doggo]

I'm loving this channel more and more with each upload

[@JoelLonganecker]

I was kind of hoping you were going to edit the video in windows 98, lol.

[@georgeogle]

Should've tried FTP. Windows file sharing probably wasn't working because compatibility issues with different versions of SMB. I think you can also enable SMB 1.0 on Windows which might allow you to connect to the 98 pc.

[@AnthonyMartinez6567]

So glad you got your GH5 Keep up the awesome work 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@MichaelMJD]

Thanks!

[@Rashaexe]

3:20 wow such fast

[@blainepalmerza]

Awesome video, Michael!

[@NotKnafo]

you know almost doesn't count

[@Destrr]

Wow man I’ve been watching you do this shit for years. It’s so nice that your getting more people.

[@KatJustice97]

What a tragic ending! By the time you got to Plan E, I was quietly chuckling to myself

[@eduardocarrasco8830]

Michael, what I used before for this situation is a FTP server using Bulletproof FTP client on the Windows 98 machine. Works very well. NAS or samba shares also work ok.

[@qpol]

i have never heard michael as angry as he was on the network part and i cant blame him

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

Trying to use old machines in 2020 in a nutshell

[@daoutbox9884]

finding a thumb drive that works on usb 1.1, 2GB in size and format in FAT32 that also has native driver in win98 Good luck getting one new.

[@GPLG]

what a lovely classic mjd video :D

[@imhafdhom]

Druaga1: SSD Michael MJD : Hold my USB

[@patrickwalter8175]

You need KernelEX - With that you can use Opera and actually display KZbin and upload it. It patched the 98SE Kernel to run newer Windows Applications such as XP or 7

[@OliveIsTyping]

Great video Michael MJD

[@MattiasMagnusson]

The reason you are not able to browse the newer pc on the network is because a SMB version difference, you can actually allow older SMB protocols in Windows 10 trough add/remove features. That way you should be allowed to browse the computer from the Windows 98 pc.

[@jakewisher4623]

If you install python on your main computer you could have started a simple webserver with the command "python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8000 " It's sort of like an FTP. It's the main way I transfer files to my vintage macs over the network

[@HrutkayMods]

Windows 10 doesn’t by default use the older file sharing protocol for security reasons. You have to enable The legacy file sharing protocol for it to work

[@ifur]

Newer windowses use SMBv2 and above, you should be adding SMBv1 through "Add or remove Windows Features" secondly change your network share settings on the newer machine to "Enable file sharing for devices use 40- or 56bit encryption". The reason that it worked on your router because somehow manufacturers delay the switch to new standards on SMB

[@jbritain]

I love the different editing style of this video

[@MichaelMJD]

I appreciate it!

[@nickdavis6898]

it didnt work because you need to enable SMB 1 on Windows 10, it was deprecated a couple years back on new installs. You can re-enable it though

[@LookACube]

Is this a new video format? I love it!

[@MordecaiTheAwesomeBluejay]

Plan G: Lay down to the ground and cry

[@milagrofrost]

Easiest way for me to transfer files between modern and legacy machines is with FTP. Serve an FTP service on the modern PC and connect to it on legacy machine either using the web browser or an FTP client. Used this to transfer Printshop Deluxe pictures from Mac OS 7 to Windows 10.

[@jitgoinham]

im really liking this editing and new style! great video!

[@leonidas14775]

Windows file sharing works when it wants to. I'd go with FTP since its easy to find old versions of filezilla, and you don't have to worry about the Eternalblue vulnerability with leaving SMBv1 enabled.

[@kotoriminami8296]

I love the editing style of this video this is great and really funny

[@datasoftinc]

i love this druaga1 style video :)

[@alexanrsousa]

Retro networking tip: Windows 98's version of SMB is 1.0, and that was deprecated and disabled by default in the latest versions of Windows because it is insecure. Getting Filezilla and creating a little FTP server that you can start on demand is just much easier, and you can even transfer files to/from a DOS machine with packet drivers and mTCP painlessly.

[@SloppyPuppy]

ofc if ur gonna transfer anything to old hardware then use old software.. ftp for the win.

[@chevycaprice87]

There's an unofficial USB driver for Win98 that lets you plug in any USB flash drive into your PC. It works with my modern USB 3.0 flash drive. And when you share folders between Windows 10 and Windows XP or older, you should enable SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support in Windows 10 for client and server.

[@xenizs9112]

6:25 you could have write the cookies of your youtube account session directly so you would have been able to use your account without signing in

[@Kippykip]

When accessing shared folders on the 98 PC or vice versa, make sure its set to 48bit without a password and instead of clicking the computer through the network list, directly put the full path in. Example: \\98-pc\share or \\10-pc\share It only seems to work that way for some reason, dunno why

[@henry9174]

To do networking between win9x and win10, you will run "optionalfeatures.exe" and enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS file sharing support". Only then you could access your win9x share folder from your win10 machine. This does not work the other way around since win9x fails to prompt user login window, thus win10 doesn't allow access.

[@amnottabs]

this is what I did once to copy large files to a w98 machine (like 10k of ripped mp3s and an old radio automation software): I copied the desired files on an Android device then used an app called ES file explorer and his ftp server function to share the sd card; typed the ftp address on a super old build of firefox... and it didn't work, so I used an old version of Filezilla to get it done. You may think it's slow because the Android device is over wifi but this machine had ethernet speed connection, not even fast ethernet and it was maxed most of the time which sorta falls into a class 4 sd card's speed

[@aTaryum]

For the USB why not use nusb36e.exe? It worked on my old Dell Latitude CSX from 1999, that has one usb 1.0 port

[@EtaYorius]

1:38 - I have this issue on my Win98 RetroPC. What i do is either continually insert different usb drives... if that does not work, then just delete the USB drivers in device manager and then click "Refresh". This seems to work 95% of the time.

[@EktoHunter]

Your Main PC did not recognize the old PC because Windows 20 has the network transfer functionality, I think it's called SMB 1.0, disabled by default due to ransomware attacks, can be turned on over the Windows-Features wizard

[@skonks]

not even a minute in and I’m living for your editing

[@picklerick7803]

I had to use *Plan D* in my early days to install Ubuntu without using the CD Drive and unable to use via USB.

[@P7777-u7r]

The best way to make a USB drive work on an old OS is if the BIOS supports "legacy USB" or anything along those lines. You have to boot the PC with the drive already in it but you can access it under basically any OS even an unmodified install of standalone DOS Also 9x windows versions are more or less incompatible with NT network shares except maybe I think in the case of windows 2000 and 2003 server. If you created an FTP share it would have worked There are ways around that block. It may require quite a bit of tinkering but you can likely fake the user agent data that is sent from browservice to KZbin

[@blosofficial]

You beat that CD like my dad beats me

[@NewRepublicMapper]

Michael is Turning into another Krazy Ken

[@wearwolf2500]

File sharing has always been cranky. I use an FTP site hosted with IIS to transfer files between computers. It was a bit finicky to get anonymous sign-on enabled and firewall stuff figured out but I haven't had a problem since I got it setup.

[@Straycatstrat10]

So, from my personal experience as I have a Windows 98 machine on my local network as well, you have to actually type in the IP address of the computer instead of the name as viewed by the network. I've also found that sometimes Windows 10 doesn't like the connection and will refuse to make it, but if you ping it, Windows 10 will then allow you to connect. You can't connect to Windows 10 from 98, but you can connect to 98 from 10...for file transfer that is, even if both folders are open for public read/write.