This VIRGIN QUEEN May Have ACTUALLY Had A Child…

[@luckylass5444]

Pregnancies are not all the same. Nobody noticed my last pregnancy, until I was 8 months pregnant. I swam 2 hours a day and only gained 20 pounds. Elizabeth could have hid a pregnancy, especially with that clothing.

[@paperroses7615]

Called eating more easy excuse gain weight Fat under those big dresses I just gained weight eating.....

[@eveelee4152]

I don’t think so the queen had a lot of eyes on her so if she one of her mistress (her lady of court) will of know it since they are with her 24/7

[@chickasawstarrmountain9747]

You couldn't tell I was pregnant until around 8 months with my first I was 16

[@scott6828]

@luckylass5444: Nobody noticed your pregnancy because you aren't the Queen of England and your baby wasn't heir to the throne. There's absolutely no way in hell un-unmarried and pregnant Queen Elizabeth goes unnoticed or kept a secret.

[@-Reagan]

Especially with close advisors conspiring to keep it secret, as would benefit the crown and themselves by proxy.

[@timefoolery]

I don’t know how she would’ve gotten away with being pregnant and having a child. She was being watched from the day she was born. When would she have had the chance to hide for 9 months? I personally think Tom Seymour ruined her by making her fear not only sex, but also the aftermath of the rumours that ensued afterward. Add to that what she saw in the loveless marriage of her sister Mary and I think she didn’t want to be told what to do by a “lord and master”. Also, Dudley married her cousin Lettice Knollys and I sincerely doubt he would have done that if he was already married to Elizabeth. It’s a nice fairytale but a fairytale nonetheless.

[@dfuher968]

Exactly, there was zero personal time, there were constantly ppl around her, even in her bedroom. Not to mention all the foreign spies. She wouldve had difficulty just getting away for an hour to meet a lover with noone knowing, no chance she would be able to hide a pregnancy and birth. If there had been anything to the rumours other than smears over this woman daring to hold a man's position (in their eyes), they would absolutely have used it to have her removed.

[@itsjustme7487]

Well said.

[@historybarf]

There were several instances where Elizabeth dismissed all of her attendants for months at a time.

[@BeveC21E]

She was a queen! She could go anywhere and at any time she pleased! She also had William Cecil, who was very clever and knew how to cover up such a state! She knew how to evoke fear in her subjects just as her father had done! She wasn't anyone to spread rumors about, true or not. She knew and learned very early, how to protect herself and as I said previously, he had Cecil who owed all he had to Elizabeth and he wasn't willing to lose it all, which may well have happened if she lost the crown.

[@timefoolery]

@@dfuher968 thank you for your extra points!!

[@shamudogsmith1751]

Robert Dudley's wife who died after an (un)forunate fall down the stairs was Amy Robsart not Roberts.

[@hillbillyclassof1961]

Poor Amy, she was murdered, likely by Cecil

[@colleens1107]

That’s the minor issue. The bigger one is, as a ruling monarch, she would be CONSTANTLY under guard and surrounded by her ladies. Her being alone would be EXTREMELY unusual for the times and her circumstances. This was merely gossip by bored courtiers with nothing better to do with their time

[@colleens1107]

Oh yeah. I always believed it was Cecil. He HATED Dudley and would do anything to prevent a marriage

[@discover-london]

If Elizabeth had been pregnant, she would have married immediately or face having her child 'banished'. Of course, many Kings had children out of wedlock who went on to live a privileged life.

[@alcestia2934]

Elizabeth routinely had swelling issues while she was growing up. There is no way she could have had a child with the amount of ladies in waiting she had. They would have see her on a daily basis. That's not even counting doctors and midwives that would have attended her. A few people might have kept quite out of loyalty but not everybody. People talk. There would have been someone saying they knew the midwife that delivered the baby or they saw a child taken from queens chamber. Where are the accounts of food aversions or cravings? Seems the accounts at the time of other pregnant queens always mention something early on to hint they thought a queen was pregnant.

[@murderfaery5715]

Yes but you have to remember the men in power in England at the time. They had full control of Elizabeth's household.

[@elainechubb971]

In those days---and in fact into the twentieth century--there was no way to hide from a girl's mother, sisters (if sharing a bedroom and usually a bed), and maids when the girl had her monthly period. No sanitary pads or tampons then. A girl or woman had a folded cloth between her legs, tied in place (I am not sure exactly how), more or less like a diaper. My grandmother (born about 1890) told me how the maids had to wash these cloths. The laundresses of a royal household would have known exactly when a female royal reached puberty, when she had her period, and when she ceased to, during pregnancy or at menopause. And there is no way every single one of the maids of Elizabeth's household, or of Katherine Parr's household while the adolescent Elizabeth was under her guardianship and living with her, would have kept silent if Elizabeth missed her periods. Human beings love to gossip! And if she'd become pregnant and borne a baby, her maids and dressmakers would have been aware when she needed new, looser clothes. Elizabeth had plenty of examples in the recent history of her extended family of the bad things that happen to royal women in marriage--death in childbirth, execution, divorce, being at the mercy of an unloving husband who had all the power--and was forced to set aside her natural inclination to marriage and motherhood and settle for the adoration of her court and her people (most of them). It may have even saved her life, since she steered clear of foreign feuds and wars and managed to balance the ambitions of her ambitious noblemen.

[@ButtonsCasey]

@@elainechubb971 Yes. Elizabeth had people looking for and documenting when she had menstruation. No way a baby gets hidden. If there were rumors back then, I would bet it was done by her enemies aka the catholics.

[@dannoakl]

@@elainechubb971 Human beings do love to gossip. They also like to stay safe. If something like that was kept secret, it would be sticking one’s neck out to disclose state secrets. It was a police state, not like the free society we have today. Yes, certainly the laundress would know. They often served their whole lives and were inner household. Trusted servants were trusted for a reason - they didn’t gossip. They knew better than to gossip and would have been very aware of the consequences. No one wanted to get on the wrong side of the Elizabethan equivalent of the Gestapo or KGB.

[@hsmd4533]

It’s unlikely she had a child, but it’s not impossible.

[@trojanette8345]

If true, that is outrageous that QV would seek to destroy a 300 yr old document by, committing it to the fire. How absolutely, dreadful.... especially if you consider how much she was fastidious about having anything and everything pertaining to her and to Albert preserved, at all costs. Speaking of Victoria: Please consider doing a video about which of Victoria's grown children were the last to live at Osborn House and or when was it given up as a royal residence before it was turned over to the country of England as a living museum treasure? Thank you for your consideration.

[@bcgrote]

If they were married, it would indeed be true that nothing unseemly happened! To think there would be a Fitzelezabeth out there 🤔

[@jobes4525]

The Title' Virgin Queen' label surely means an autonomous Woman, a Woman in her own right, her rulership alone, not necessarily a virgin as such?

[@AndreaCandido-tp4kk]

... RighT i also donT believ The Queen was a .. virigin. She had few male parTners

[@bcgrote]

"Virgin" didn't always mean someone who never had sex. It meant a woman who was not married. Although I could entertain the idea of these two being at least betrothed and lifelong partners, seeing it kept secret is harder to believe!

[@juliemcintyre664]

i think someone would have noticed a pregnant Queen. Also how could such a secret be kept for some long? some one would have known

[@colleens1107]

More than that. I don’t think modern people really get how little Elizabeth would ever be alone. She would be constantly guarded and surrounded by a retinue. She was a ruling monarch and the last of the Tudors. They would not let her go unattended for her safety. No if she had sex while queen, dozens of people would know

[@joecurran2811]

Argument from incredulity?

[@anneconner1108]

Did her sister go thru that same thing kinda? She thought she was pregnant, belly got big and everything. But nothing ever came. I’ve watch a few things that have said it was ovarian cancer. So I mean if it could happen to Mary it could definitely happen Elizabeth maybe?

[@eveelee4152]

I think with queen Mary1 she had what today is called Phantom pregnancy. But with queen Elizabeth1 I think it was ovarian cancer which have the same symptoms like what the queen had

[@dianetheisen8664]

Rumors and lies. I don't believe Elizabeth I married, or had a child, in secret. Good story, though.

[@RissaFirecat]

Why, does it burst your bubble?

[@annaemilia2505]

it also is said that queen Elisabeth 1. was a man......there were many legends that are about "the bisley boy".....telling that Elizabeth died in early childhood, and because her father King Henry was about to meeting his daughter soon, there was a little boy in the same age, same kind and haircolour who was placed as little Elizabeth.....who really knows , but if you look at the painting 0.18 / 9.14.......can that be a eventual man? ......hidung man parts under thick white make up? We never will know that fact right?

[@kelliepollard9958]

The pregnancy could have been concealed for many months underneath all the clothing that was worn, but her closest servants would have to have been very loyal and trustworthy for the act of sex to have occurred and the baby to have been snuck away. Elizabeth may not have wanted her descendants to ascend to the throne, if there were any, and was content to have it go to James, who was raised as protestant, after his Catholic mother's death.

[@kimberlybates6261]

With all those people around her 24/7 365 days a week, I doubt it.

[@peterwindhorst5775]

and that she did not sleep alone - no I am not talking about men. Her ladies maids who dressed her every day, slept in her bed. One of her ladiesmaids was in the employ of Spain - so she would talking to Europe.

[@anthonytroisi6682]

Allegedly she only undressed in front of one female servant. Significantly she demanded that no autopsy be conducted after her death. A DNA test would put the Bisley boy rumors to rest by proving that Elizabeth was biologically female.

[@rosezingleman5007]

Elizabeth liked the idea of being the “Virgin Queen” as a replacement for the Virgin Mary who was the Patroness of London (“my fair lady” the nursery rhyme is a sly reference to the Virgin Mary). She wanted her image replacing those of the Virgin Mary in peoples’ homes. My favorite theory is that Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford was her child, and that Edward de Vere was in fact, “Shakespeare” (spear shaker). See the film “Anonymous” with Rhys Ifans. The de Vere line ran out. No one even knows where he was buried. His education was impeccable, indicated vast travel, familiarity with languages, mythologies, ancient history etc. Many prominent scholars have agreed with this theory.

[@johnny63ism]

I heard another rumor that Shakespeare was her half brother. I d love to see video about it as well

[@taracourtice9318]

Could she have switched places with her cousin that looked like her but was also married to Dudley

[@devorah935]

I doubt it very much

[@dianalindeman1644]

I've seen the "Pregnancy Portrait." If real, it's astonishing she had it made. If she had a secret morganatic marriage, the children may have been stillborn, miscarried, or dead at early ages. The bodies might have been buried in secret places.

[@chadbennett7873]

It's was simply the version of a nude selfie today, simply an expectant mother having a picture of herself carrying the child. It was very likely not meant to be seen by anybody of that time.

[@paperroses7615]

I just saw the portrait as well another you tube channel and she was identified as a slave girl from Russia that ended up in the English court to service to Elizabeth 1 After hearing this I'm still not convinced portrait still looks like Elizabeth 1

[@mari-greciaodal2436]

Perhaps, it was once in her life, that her heart felt a passion, but not cold, as had been of her mind, but of her heart. Yes, unlikely, but no matter what, she was a human.

[@BeveC21E]

Would Dudley then, have married the mother of Robert, Earl of Essex, if this were true? If she had mothered a child, in light of this, it wasn't Dudley's child!

[@nancybradford8514]

Absolute nonsense, an over active imagination, with all the servants that Elizabeth had, and not to mention her ladies in waiting, and the people who change her bed linens? If this were true of Elizabeth, it wouldn't have stayed a secret for long. Elizabeth couldn't have hidden herself away for nine months. Absolute nonsense 😒

[@paperroses7615]

Excuse I gained weight eating easy hide under big dresses

[@jobes4525]

Amy Roberts? Thought it was Amy Robstart? TY anyway 😉

[@-Reagan]

It would have been in the interest of the crown, security and all involved to keep that secret and few would have been privy to it, IF Elizabeth were to be pregnant without being married. It would also have been in their interest to secretly marry them without allowing the husband any possible gain other than bribery of silence and a promise to keep his head on his shoulders if he kept the secret. This way, a baby would be born legitimate and secure the throne if anything happened to Elizabeth or if there were a sudden need to secure the throne. All the lives of everyone associated with the crown, their welfare, land holdings and livelihoods depended upon security of the crown in Elizabeth’s bloodline. It would have been jeopardized if she lost her image as the Virgin Queen without a proper marriage to a suitable match well in advance of a pregnancy. Robert Dudley was highly controversial and having been previously married, unsuitable. It would also have been wise to have the child adopted in secret and raised by a noble family of her close supporters, befitting his birth and station, but also properly raised, extremely well educated and kept close to the throne in security, in case they needed to raise him to position of her heir apparent. I wonder if there were changes made in staff or routines of the royal household around that time. Would they have appointed any particular maids in waiting? It would be convenient if they were either too young and virginal to comprehend the significance of certain changes (to recognize signs of pregnancy) or those who might assist in keeping secrets.

[@avlasting3507]

This could (easily ?) be solved with genealogical DNA.

[@chrisamy3285]

Is it possible Elizabeth may have had Endometriosis hence the 'swelling'?

[@French-Kiss24]

There is a portrait of a young Elizabeth I, owned by the royal family, which shows an obviously pregnant queen.

[@Allylonng1416]

I doubt she got pregnant

[@davidjoseph3188]

She never was pregnant or had kids as for her being a virgin we will never no but she is a bad ass queen my favourite one just the history of it all also known as bloody mary she is cool

[@salcuti6421]

She would never not acknowledge a Tudor heir

[@theon9575]

I'm wondering about Dudley's own marital history and personal life. Was he never married to anyone, have no partner or family at all? Or did Lord Dudley himself remain a bachelor for life, who happened to enjoy a close platonic friendship with the virgin Queen? Or am I just a cynic who finds this extremely unlikely? And the Queen imprisoned or even had executed people like me who spoke aloud. Over-reaction, much? The lady did protest extremely loud 😂.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

Dudley was married twice. First to Amy Robsart, and after she died he married a woman named Lettice Knollys. Elizabeth didn’t like his second wife very much

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@@theon9575 I have a rather cynical world view myself. Comes with being a bookworm I think. Cheers from America 🍻 ✌🏻🇺🇸

[@theon9575]

@@Pretermit_Sound Well, I guess it's less foolhardy to be cynical than to naively believe. 😂 At my older age, though, there's also the balance of probabilities ... 😉 Or, more bluntly, I was not born yesterday. I wonder whether Lettice believed it? Her new hubby spent days and days 'at the office' talking endlessly about treasury, politics, international affairs with an unmarried woman until all hours, often coming home from work very late or not at all. Lettice must have wondered why Dudley even bothered to marry her ! 😂 Anyways, thanks for your greetings, and here's a 🌷 tulip from Amsterdam.

[@windchill5906]

OF course Queen Victoria would have a document, that proved the Queen Elizabeth I had a child simply,; that fact would have nullify; Queen Victoria Claim to the English throne and would cut her kingdom in half.

[@kelliepollard9958]

Whether or not she had any children that she hid, we can never know, but the fact that officially she never had any was obviously intentional, and Mary Queen of Scotts son, James, who was raised as protestant, ascended to the throne.

[@DonnaDeDead]

Why so many history channels posting on this today? I don't think that narcissist Elizabeth would have let a child she had be born secret and not inherit the throne. She was too obsessed with herself and the throne. She had so many imprisoned and murdered to keep her hold of the throne strong for a secret child to be believable

[@coreyboggs2011]

Someone has been watching too much Reign.

[@marybaker8582]

Why are you calling her a narcissist? People fling that word around too much these days.

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Exactly! Good example of this is what she did the Catherine Grey and Edward Seymour. Such a heartbreaking story!

[@WhyureadinmyURL]

How long have you watched Reign?

[@annettemurray1594]

Well we will know

[@Liz_678]

Very interesting 🧐

[@chickasawstarrmountain9747]

She was Queen and givin her family history couldve silenced any servant or courtier with death i do not believe as flirtatious as she was that she was pure

[@ThomasAllan-up4td]

The teachers teach us that she was a virgin. Therefore it must be true. They brick our children into think what they are taught. Just another brick in the wall. But we don't need no education or thought control to think for ourselves. Is there anyone with a brain who believes Elizabeth the first was intact in mind, body,heart, soul and hole? Hey teacher, leave those kids alone.

[@vivianlidberg9031]

As a teen

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

What is your favorite TV or film portrayal of Elizabeth I?

[@susannebrown3255]

Cate Blanchett

[@colleencox2927]

Glenda Jackson

[@carolthomson4705]

indeed unsurpassed@@colleencox2927

[@khfan4life365]

Wouldn’t her ladies notice that her period was missing for nine months?

[@AndreaCandido-tp4kk]

.. ThaT s often but not always

[@mikeydoodle143]

There's a new story that he was actually a man. The real one died during toddler years.

[@purrdiggle1470]

Elizabeth being married and producing an heir would not have given the Catholic powers any more reason to invade and depose her than they thought they already had. So Liz didn't need to remain a virgin for national security reasons. Furthermore, producing an heir would have essentially guaranteed a peaceful succession. The alternative that Liz chose was to turn the country over to a foreign power in the form of the Scotsman James Stuart.

[@YTistooannoying]

You've a great deal of audacity to refer to Her Royal Highness Elizabeth the First as Liz, as if she is some common Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha). If one were to shorten her name at all then one would call her Bess or Good Queen Bess or Gloriana, or The Virgin Queen if one must but not Liz. Also, you are incorrect as Elizabeth was not going to give up the power, nor should she have, to any man would she have married. Mothers and children both had a very high mortality rate, so actually it was very much the safer and wiser thing for Elizabeth to not marry.

[@purrdiggle1470]

@@YTistooannoying I'll always be mad at her for turning England over to the Scots, which lead to the Hun.

[@elizabethsmith8609]

Its a delishious thought but not very likely

[@ladymeghenderson9337]

What nonsense, Dudley got into hot water for marrying Lettice Knolleys, it was just idle rumours to discredit her

[@kimberlybates6261]

They were Elizabeth's kin. The Knolleys. I'm also distantly related to them and the Howards and Boleyn, and the Tudors. Queen Elizabeth is like my 14th cousin. Also Princess Diana is my 13 cousin. Pretty cool. Not looking for no royal titles. No way I'd want to be a royal.

[@kimberlybates6261]

Elizabeth cooled off greatly against Dudley once his wife mysteriously died falling down the stairs. How long was he suppose to wait around

[@dianetheisen8664]

@@kimberlybates6261 Well Elizabeth distanced herself immediately from Dudley when his wife died, who, BTW, was referred to as Amy Roberts in this video 📹, while, I believe her name was Amy Robsart. Anyway, Elizabeth knew that rumors would fly implying that Dudley had Amy killed so that he'd be free to marry her, (Elizabeth). I don't believe that Elizabeth had a child born in or out of wedlock.

[@sandibaker4108]

I think not it is true. If so, it would be easily proven through DNA

[@AndreaCandido-tp4kk]

... noawadys yea

[@paperroses7615]

My Dad told me the areas of Europe that the family is from way before DNA tests were popular and they matched the people and DNA tests I found out what my family wasn't telling me who I really am! Who all my relatives are I do believe that a young man with last name Bacon works at my hospital pharmacy he looks like Elizabeth 1 same color hair same facial structures I think that he's Elizabeth great grandson

[@i_luv_hecklefish]

Great grandson? You do realize when the Tudor period was, correct? Elizabeth died in 1603. So just how old is this man? 😆

[@delfine7163]

Quite a few more generations than that between them.

[@thoutube9522]

Yeh. And may have been abducted by aliens. And maybe she wrote all of Shakespeare's plays. And Jonson's. And Webster's. And yeh, maybe she used to dress up as a man and walk the streets looking for ladies of easy virtue. And maybe she invented the steam engine, but all the plans were lost.

[@William-Marshall]

Now she is attacked, being dead , lo, these many years. Shame on you.

[@janetwatson7966]

Get DNA from his defendant's. There u will find out

[@delfine7163]

Even better to get his descendants DNA?

[@janetwatson7966]

@@delfine7163 yes I know, lol. I just saw that.. I'm on a tablet. Keys are small. Thanks for correction. Lol

[@AndreaCandido-tp4kk]

... could be wo know's

[@JiminPalmSprings]

Such a stupid post 😝😝😝😝

[@markgarin6355]

Stop wasting our time calling her "the virgin queen".

[@suellensheppard9734]

If she had a child it could’ve been with Seymour

[@cmick69]

Elizabeth I is my 2nd cousin 14x removed.

[@timefoolery]

Hello cousin! I’m related to her on the Tudor side, don’t remember the exact relationship but Elizabeth Woodville is my 14th great grandmother.

[@winnifredforbes1114]

Do you have red hair?🙀

[@karlalandaverde3113]

How do u feel about that?

[@azariahisrael5632]

@@timefoolery Me too. I decend from her Aunt Mary Tudor Brandon via Francis Brandon Grey. Not very many of us. Henry VII is my 17th gg grandfather.

[@toriacrouse2449]

same im from Margrett tudor's line

[@peggyallman7647]

This is BS.