This Vtuber put his $1 billion agency on life support - The Luca Kaneshiro X Raziel Incident

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Mujin

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@MujinOfficial
@MujinOfficial 7 ай бұрын
Edit: A few people have expressed(with good intentions) that I was too harsh on Raziel. I explain my reasoning here: kzbin.infoUgkxrhgvdN-PKp_i6mDz5lofcDQLIeJ3g3D5 I did not intend to post this on Luca Kaneshiro's birthday... Anyways happy birthday to my favorite God Tier trap. FOLLOW MY TWITCH!! I STREAM 3 TIMES A WEEK THERE AND ON KZbin(THIS CHANNEL)! www.twitch.tv/mujinofficial JOIN FOR UNHINGED ANONYMOUS! discord.gg/Mujin EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY LINKS: linktr.ee/Mujin THANK YOU FOR WATCHING!!!! ❤
@aungsawnaing6380
@aungsawnaing6380 7 ай бұрын
yoo wasup
@minisnakali
@minisnakali 7 ай бұрын
Damn bro, kinda harsh 😂 Maybe its just fate
@g.wolfsterr
@g.wolfsterr 7 ай бұрын
oh wow that's just a coincidence that might be nuclear
@Yanqinx
@Yanqinx 7 ай бұрын
meow
@KKdessu
@KKdessu 7 ай бұрын
LMAO You might as well call it both a birthday AND graduation gift.
@sakiamira
@sakiamira 7 ай бұрын
Selen: gets fired immediately Luca: broke the rules but is not fired Vox: there is no favoritsm in Nijisanji
@kabob0077
@kabob0077 7 ай бұрын
There is no War on Ba Sing Se.
@pluggedfinn-bj3hn
@pluggedfinn-bj3hn 7 ай бұрын
Of course there isn't. They treat every boy the same.
@endy_endious5178
@endy_endious5178 7 ай бұрын
​@@kabob0077 I was gonna say that😂
@RianLKLock
@RianLKLock 7 ай бұрын
You could probably list off the ones that went indie or re debut as someone else
@akira8393
@akira8393 7 ай бұрын
I love my family - nijisanji
@mcstabbins4501
@mcstabbins4501 7 ай бұрын
"There is no Easter bunny There is no Tooth Fairy And there is no favoritism in nijisanji" -Tighten/Titan, Megamind 2010
@ethanfreeman1106
@ethanfreeman1106 7 ай бұрын
Perfect 👌
@baconncheese9561
@baconncheese9561 7 ай бұрын
THAT MEANS THERE IS AN EASTER BUNNY
@amblehhh
@amblehhh 7 ай бұрын
there is no war in ba sing se
@standard-carrier-wo-chan
@standard-carrier-wo-chan 7 ай бұрын
WAIT HIS NAME IS TIGHTEN, NOT TITAN?!?!
@FuunNoKami
@FuunNoKami 7 ай бұрын
25:50 at this point she is " the real luca". He is just the voice actor
@SeikaChroma
@SeikaChroma 6 ай бұрын
"Before Luxiem, Male Vtubers were purely seen as a joke" Meanwhile two of the Luxiem bois now became a whole circus all by themselves.
@potmki6601
@potmki6601 5 ай бұрын
Who is the second?
@luvview4887
@luvview4887 5 ай бұрын
​@@potmki6601 vox, lmao
@trappedfan5206
@trappedfan5206 5 ай бұрын
I mean, 80% of their male vtubers are clowns, and I'm willing to bet that the remaining 20% are just better at hiding their skeletons. It's not surprising to anyone with at least a half functional brain.
@urlocalroachgabbi
@urlocalroachgabbi 5 ай бұрын
@@luvview4887what did he do?
@ainzer2903
@ainzer2903 5 ай бұрын
​@@urlocalroachgabbiwait, you don't know?! I hope you're not part of his "fans"😮
@Alik_Odess
@Alik_Odess 7 ай бұрын
Selen: Makes a lot of projects out her own pocket and gets fired for MV. Luca: Disclosure of information, Hiring third party, multiple breaches of contract. GETS REWARDED. Vox Akuma: ThErE's No FaVoRiTiSm In NiJiSaNjI 🤡
@guts2787
@guts2787 7 ай бұрын
Bros before 304s.
@9ipalvin858
@9ipalvin858 7 ай бұрын
There's no favoritism in Ba Sing Se
@OHHHHUSBANT
@OHHHHUSBANT 7 ай бұрын
What leftism does to a mf
@imongmama9738
@imongmama9738 7 ай бұрын
@@9ipalvin858 1
@R4GNAR0G
@R4GNAR0G 7 ай бұрын
​@@guts2787 So, you're saying Selen is a 304? What the fk is even your logic??? Have you just escaped a mental ward???
@notsoptimistic
@notsoptimistic 7 ай бұрын
Vox "There's no favoritism in Nijisanji" Akuma. clearly shows how they favor luxiem cause the boys brings in money but right now the opposite is happening☠
@akira8393
@akira8393 7 ай бұрын
i just love to see it
@trphoenix_.
@trphoenix_. 7 ай бұрын
nijisanji is so messed up that looking at this seems absolutely normal
@parkchimmin7913
@parkchimmin7913 7 ай бұрын
Poor Shu needs to get out ASAP. 😭
@ikeuikeu15
@ikeuikeu15 7 ай бұрын
I'm afraid about how's the real personality of the rest of luxiem 😭
@urayahayahauraAAA
@urayahayahauraAAA 7 ай бұрын
the company did offer Selen to stay if she reflected and apologised She didn't and threatened them legally is why she got kicked out So where's the favouritism?
@amblehhh
@amblehhh 7 ай бұрын
Okay like THANK GOD Mysta graduated before any of this😭
@azuralights
@azuralights 4 ай бұрын
no now i feel bad for shu because he's the only good one in luxiem 😭
@sugoi694
@sugoi694 4 ай бұрын
​@@azuralights shu is a saint amongst them all💜😞
@caseofzero
@caseofzero 4 ай бұрын
For real- THANK GOD HE SAVED HIMSELF AT LEAST T_T
@sparksparkdie
@sparksparkdie 4 ай бұрын
same w Kyo, like, he dodged a missile
@narimdraws6696
@narimdraws6696 4 ай бұрын
@@azuralightshow about ike?
@filly291
@filly291 7 ай бұрын
"There is no favoritsm in Nijisanji" has the same energy as "There is no war in Ba Sing Se"
@sainxxe1587
@sainxxe1587 7 ай бұрын
It’s also giving “Fire Lord Ozai loves his son”
@DonewithYT
@DonewithYT 7 ай бұрын
Please- 💀💀💀
@ArjunTheRageGuy
@ArjunTheRageGuy 7 ай бұрын
same vibes as "Nothing happened in June 4th 1989"
@urayahayahauraAAA
@urayahayahauraAAA 7 ай бұрын
Lots of misinformation here the company did offer Selen to stay if she reflected and apologised She didn't and threatened them legally is why she got kicked out So where's the favouritism?
@okami_eddy
@okami_eddy 7 ай бұрын
Makes me think of "There are no faces"
@true.creatorJ
@true.creatorJ 7 ай бұрын
LUCA DID WHAT sipping tea while sum of yall spill it in my replies 👁️👁️
@bellingtoned
@bellingtoned 7 ай бұрын
Well he is a criminal in lore and now in irl lore to
@Yui2Aku
@Yui2Aku 7 ай бұрын
my honest reaction as well
@azzi6427
@azzi6427 7 ай бұрын
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
@diputston
@diputston 7 ай бұрын
Yeah i already dis​like him for the minecraft stuff but like that? It is worse
@eros8379
@eros8379 7 ай бұрын
My exact words when i saw the title 😭
@cxlev01
@cxlev01 7 ай бұрын
what's crazy is how he made us think differently of the relationship he has with his family. Back when I watched him, I'd see those clips of his mom being sweet to Luca (giving him food during stream), him showing how protective he was of his mom (the stories he'd tell), and the wholesome relationship he was with particularly his younger brother. so now idk what to think, were these wholesome moments all a facade? or was the whole "abusing" thing just a lie so that raziel would be there to give him comfort and eventually get emotionally attached to him (for purely manipulation)?
@zoeyonionmelon281
@zoeyonionmelon281 5 ай бұрын
youre so right. when I watched him he seemed to care so much about his mom and would tell stories that did seem very real but after this video and learning about how much stuff he lied about to get her attention, I start to wonder if they are fake too.
@rosafloera
@rosafloera 5 ай бұрын
Great point. Though there may be some truth in them because children learn from their surroundings.
@Buffpork
@Buffpork 3 ай бұрын
There's one of Luca's The Walking dead stream where his mom was yelling i In the background and calling luca to do soemthing.
@Zeylogylt
@Zeylogylt 3 ай бұрын
Yeah i remember his mom being super sweet woman, i think he used his mum as an excuse to manipulate her
@harleynguyen5301
@harleynguyen5301 3 ай бұрын
@@Buffporktimestamp?
@lovelysakurapetalsyt
@lovelysakurapetalsyt 7 ай бұрын
The reason why she didn't stop being his friend is that well, emotional manipulators make you feel bad for your own emotions. He intentionally used his mom to make her feel bad enough to not bring it up ever again
@nyu1425
@nyu1425 7 ай бұрын
I can tell that as a woman I'm also weak to emotional attack but... She looks too dumb... Like I'm sorry to say that and we obviously don't know how their entire interaction went but she just seemed so pitifully dumb... Again, I'm sorry...
@semideadnat
@semideadnat 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I can confirm as someone who was once in a toxic friendship that's something that does happen.
@lovelysakurapetalsyt
@lovelysakurapetalsyt 7 ай бұрын
@@semideadnat Yep. Also Lilia pfp? Oo
@semideadnat
@semideadnat 7 ай бұрын
@@lovelysakurapetalsyt GODDAMINT I'VE BEEN SPOTTED AGAIN FOR MY PFP
@lovelysakurapetalsyt
@lovelysakurapetalsyt 7 ай бұрын
@@semideadnat Lilia is one of my favorite characters, I'll always spot him
@anerdwithamic
@anerdwithamic 7 ай бұрын
Luca: Constantly breaks the rules, breaches the contract and is a genuine piece of shit Nijisanji: i sleep Selen: Decides to add livers, including ones that resigned from the company, in her music video Nijisanji: REAL SHIT Edit: ...why the hell did i get so many likes on this comment good lord 💀💀
@kristen2693
@kristen2693 7 ай бұрын
Misogyny
@zee-fr5kw
@zee-fr5kw 7 ай бұрын
@@kristen2693 eh its more person problems vs attacking the company you are apart of.
@samuelclayhills3298
@samuelclayhills3298 7 ай бұрын
Based and redpilled.
@SoughtApple
@SoughtApple 7 ай бұрын
​@@samuelclayhills3298not really when ninisanji favoritism doesnt count male or female.like they treat other male talent like shit then treat the blue dragon good.
@rose_blue1
@rose_blue1 5 ай бұрын
Am a huge fan of luca, I didn't know that he would do all of this...
@mluu781
@mluu781 7 ай бұрын
this lady single-handedly create his image, saved his whole personality, and of course, make him famous
@miceatah9359
@miceatah9359 7 ай бұрын
who wouldve guessed that giving a bunch of awkward weirdos fame power and anonimity would end in a trainwreck
@ADHD_Akira2890
@ADHD_Akira2890 7 ай бұрын
ACTUALLY BRO 😭
@turritopsis_said80
@turritopsis_said80 7 ай бұрын
You would be suprised how many there are in KZbin.
@kirbyjoe7484
@kirbyjoe7484 7 ай бұрын
At least they have part-time highschool kids managing the whole thing. What could go wrong?
@ennui9745
@ennui9745 6 ай бұрын
So the majority of big KZbinrs then, and they aren't even anonymous.
@Thiccness_Is_Delicious
@Thiccness_Is_Delicious 4 ай бұрын
Soooo that's all the female vtubers as well.
@ayyyyyyyyyylmao
@ayyyyyyyyyylmao 7 ай бұрын
To add to the employee message about Luca saving his job, that employee (Yoshitaka Fumoto) is now the lead/executive of Nijisanji's overseas operations. Which means that this guy is covering Luca's ass and probably why he hasn't been terminated while others have been fired for much less
@aytestarose8903
@aytestarose8903 7 ай бұрын
Good lord 😮
@conwaysquest6961
@conwaysquest6961 7 ай бұрын
And yet somehow there is "no Favoritism in Nijisanji"
@KeirnothVT
@KeirnothVT 7 ай бұрын
It's almost comical how villainous Niji is jesus
@baeber
@baeber 7 ай бұрын
real ayyylmao tho
@Drud
@Drud 7 ай бұрын
@@KeirnothVT Niji is Jesus? I don’t think so!
@Levvv143-dj5hi
@Levvv143-dj5hi 7 ай бұрын
why do all of my comfort streamers just like do this to me YOU HAD ONE JOB 😭🙌
@sagemiracle2674
@sagemiracle2674 7 ай бұрын
That's hyunjin in your profile right? No worries Stray kids are enough to comfort us 😭❤️
@lovemejimin
@lovemejimin 7 ай бұрын
NAH CAUSE HE LITERALLY GIT ME INTO VTUBING
@theia-3-
@theia-3- 7 ай бұрын
Even with the drama he’s dealing rn, just stick with indies like Kenji man 😭
@Levvv143-dj5hi
@Levvv143-dj5hi 7 ай бұрын
@@sagemiracle2674 REAL 😭
@Levvv143-dj5hi
@Levvv143-dj5hi 7 ай бұрын
@@theia-3- I LOVE KENJI
@Marbeary
@Marbeary 7 ай бұрын
When you are a low to no moral company it does mostly attracts the same people, they employ.
@elylioney6390
@elylioney6390 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, they're those only type of people who can survive
@localvillager6531
@localvillager6531 7 ай бұрын
100% Agreed
@akira8393
@akira8393 7 ай бұрын
cant say im surprised
@CrimsonDawn-ou4og
@CrimsonDawn-ou4og 7 ай бұрын
Thats the truth!!
@warpstarrogue3554
@warpstarrogue3554 7 ай бұрын
Incompetent people who'd be immature or obedient enough on a leash? Not to be rude to the very... VERY few good livers there, but they can be a bit, pon when it comes to choosing words.
@aammvv8207
@aammvv8207 7 ай бұрын
Yall would be shocked to find out how many toxic people like this exists in real life and how absolutely unhinged they, their victims, and their audiences are.
@GummyDinosaursify
@GummyDinosaursify 7 ай бұрын
I've been a volunteer mod for a big KZbinr that is a pretty shitty person but everyone to this day thinks is an amazing guy, so nothing surprises me anymore. It all comes out eventually. It's just so much easier to hide in online then irl.
@eternallyei
@eternallyei 7 ай бұрын
Who is it if you don't mind me asking? Unless obviously you don't feel comfortable sharing.
@keycrafter7471
@keycrafter7471 7 ай бұрын
@@GummyDinosaursify Yo expose the name
@gutsygroblin
@gutsygroblin Ай бұрын
Real. It’s important to recognize how hard it is to leave in this situation lol
@Jax-lv8vu
@Jax-lv8vu 29 күн бұрын
​@@GummyDinosaursify Bro expose them wtf are you waiting for. SOMEONE steps out to make it all come out, if you're the only one who knows then you could be the only hope to getting a horrible person off of their platform and influence.
@nickb2478
@nickb2478 7 ай бұрын
the relationship between these two is chernobyl levels nuclear toxic it just kept getting more and more unhinged
@akemihomura1559
@akemihomura1559 7 ай бұрын
You forgot an important bit: The exec that personally thanked Luca for saving his career got promoted to an even higher position within Anycolor. Luca will NEVER get terminated because he has quite literally a big fish protecting him. He's done far more and worse than Zaion and Selen and they're the ones that got the axe for... Not toeing the line?
@Pseudowolf
@Pseudowolf 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, that protection is only going to last until the company starts getting dragged into courts.
@jaredjosephsongheng372
@jaredjosephsongheng372 5 ай бұрын
Luca will never get terminated until the company runs out of funds lmao.
@krasusable
@krasusable 7 ай бұрын
This reminds me of commoner girl × asshole CEO short dramas. What a trainwreck.
@noharaheilige435
@noharaheilige435 7 ай бұрын
Average Korean CEO romance manhwa
@Bread_bread01
@Bread_bread01 7 ай бұрын
​@@noharaheilige435 we should be glad that it's a korean CEO manhwa rather than the chinese ones
@h3li064
@h3li064 5 ай бұрын
​@@Bread_bread01based
@Nynxxi
@Nynxxi 7 ай бұрын
it is VITAL to understand that the mental processes behind being attached to an abuser is NOT rational. for many people, particularly women, emotional connections tends to override acknowledging a loved ones “obvious” abusive behavior. it is so easy to to look at Raziel’s lack of immediate action from an outside perspective and criticize her for doing so. while i understand that, her situation is something that is very difficult to understand if you haven’t experienced something similar as well. she likely felt an emotional obligation to him, especially because shes “the only one he’s comfortable telling” and its very clear he took advantage of her people pleasing mentalities. raziel is not at fault here and it breaks my heart to see there are people who blame this woman who has already endured horrible statements from the FANS OF HER ABUSER. that is a UNIQUELY PAINFUL situation and raziel should be receiving nothing but support for her bravery for exposing the hidden danger that man was.
@noelle1030
@noelle1030 7 ай бұрын
I do feel bad for Raziel and man, it was stated that she did consult a psychologist. Like consulting one means you'd talk things out to realize the behavior that currently impairs your decision-making and this could pave solutions to change yourself. Idk what happened there but that means it didn't work for her since she went back for Luca. If only she realized sooner and if only there were people who actually approached and talked to her about it earlier. I'm not saying it's her fault but she did made a mistake along the way. The sad thing is that she didn't realize that and she kept staying. But at least right now, she's aware of it and I hope she gets better along the way. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people are with her right now. She's very brave.
@40fatkids
@40fatkids 4 ай бұрын
And this is the mentality that breeds women to be victims. Dont listen to this bullshit no one controls your emotions and the worst thing you could ever do to yourself is not take responsibility for the things you do to yourself. Raz also took the action ALL vicrims of abuse should and seeked help but even after that help she still stayed. No one else can convince you to stay but you and i know that 100% because i was in an actual mentality abusive relationship and i know at the end of the day how hard it is to leave an abuser, but it was still my fucking choice to stay. Because if you dont take responsibility and learn from your actions youre going to be abused again because you let it happen to yourself. You can be a victim and still take responsibility for your abuse at the same time and both perspectives are true at the same exact time. Its not your fault it happened but just because its not your fault doesnt mean you should let it happen.
@personman8734
@personman8734 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was so weird how he was constantly stopping to make fun of her for not leaving like he didn’t know how manipulative abusers work. There’s so much victim blaming in this video, it’s baffling.
@anamana3889
@anamana3889 2 ай бұрын
True but like it does indeed get to a point tho
@urayahayahauraAAA
@urayahayahauraAAA 2 ай бұрын
you really siding with a groomer is crazyy She groomed Luca when he was underaged (while she was already married too) after Luca kicked her out she always tried her best to badmouth Luca, and you really believed everything she put out there??/ All i am seeing is a desperate attempt to tarnished a ex's reputation
@sydneyzenigami
@sydneyzenigami 7 ай бұрын
Releasing this video on Luca's birthday (April 10) is savage💀 Niji official Twitter just birthday greeted him too. Looks like Niji not gonna do anything for their favorites.
@lightingbolt5603
@lightingbolt5603 7 ай бұрын
Damn
@starlightrai
@starlightrai 7 ай бұрын
I’m watching this on my birthday, your comment scared tf out of me.
@Invisibli_ty
@Invisibli_ty 7 ай бұрын
​@@starlightrai16th April? Nice. Happy Birthday although this comment is totally out of topic 🤐
@starlightrai
@starlightrai 7 ай бұрын
@@Invisibli_ty I was scared that I shared a bday with the dude.
@Kyouno
@Kyouno 7 ай бұрын
The word Nijisani and Vtuber just don’t mix well together anymore, even if somehow this situation is resolved
@Lizziebee46
@Lizziebee46 4 ай бұрын
In this video, Mujin spent the most time pointing and laughing at raz instead of criticizing luca. I know he made a longer post to explain, but it's still clear that Mujin doesn't understand abuse and low self-worth. Im glad he doesn't have to deal with it, but some do. Why put an abuser and her on the same level by saying there aren't any clear good/bad guys here? She made mistakes, and it's fine to point them out, but to me, this looks like a woman who had issues with self-worth, conflict resolution, and boundary-setting, which all speak to intense people pleasing behavior. She mentioned a history of abuse in the past, so it's possible she learned to be a self-destructive people-pleaser in her youth. She had enough anxiety and depression that she even considered suicide. She needs therapy, yes, but not ridicule. I see some of my past in her actions and though she's very misguided, making a person who is used, abused, and doesn't have the self-worth to see themselves out of it doesn't deserve being the butt of a joke. She was so desperate to be needed, to have a friend, that she devalued herself enough to put up with abuse. How does that put her on the same level with Luca?
@bjholland8322
@bjholland8322 4 ай бұрын
That’s true
@Shuzume_ichi
@Shuzume_ichi 7 ай бұрын
OUT OF EVERYONE I EXPECTED LUCA WAS THE LAST PERSON I COULD THINK ABOUT DOING THIS!!??? 😶
@hotdogeater8647
@hotdogeater8647 7 ай бұрын
all blade mains are good people, respect.
@karolinabuba575
@karolinabuba575 7 ай бұрын
That's me with Vox. Like, I avoided his adult Asmr streams like fire but outside of that he seemed so entertaining and....elegant? ( and I loved his art) And then he does that black screen video and it's like my rose tinted glasses cracked on my face I unsubbed from all of them at this point, no one is safe bet in that company. ( I main Bladie too, good choice)
@amari7782
@amari7782 7 ай бұрын
@@karolinabuba575what was the context of the black screen vid
@zulzul-c1r
@zulzul-c1r 7 ай бұрын
​@@amari7782 "We didn't bully Selen" "There is no favouritism in Nijisanji" "Graduation is always an option" "We can't believe Selen betrayed us"
@zulzul-c1r
@zulzul-c1r 7 ай бұрын
I still hold out hope for Shu, Rosemi, Scarle, Ren, maybe Aia, maybe Reimu, maybe Ver, and maybe Vivi and Kunai. The ones I've lost hope for are, well, basically everyone else except Ike, Fulgur, Maria, Vanta and Zali.
@Sheikher
@Sheikher 7 ай бұрын
She didn't leave him because the point of manipulation is to make you feel stuck in this relationship although you're not. Your entire life revolves around the manipulator. Poor girl, I'm sad and tired for her really.
@Descort
@Descort 7 ай бұрын
But I mean she had an out knowing what he did wrong but stayed it really isn't hard to cut people off
@Neoflares
@Neoflares 7 ай бұрын
i may be labled a nijisister but ...shes a 30 something year old woman
@sonusmeister2325
@sonusmeister2325 7 ай бұрын
Bruh raziel groomed him. Of course she won't left.
@MinatheRaichu
@MinatheRaichu 7 ай бұрын
​@@Neoflares I think we don't know her well enough to say whether they're susceptible to that type of manipulation or not. There are a lot of reasons someone who is an adult can be susceptible to that. Either they never encountered it before, so they never had to learn the tools against it, or maybe they have had these types of relationships all their lives and it's normal so they just don't have the experience getting away. Or they have super unhealthy ways to cope with this type of relationship and coast through on those, never trying any better.
@DerpyVenom
@DerpyVenom 7 ай бұрын
until you dig deep enough to see the things she did in the past
@wondrousgamer3930
@wondrousgamer3930 2 ай бұрын
It sounds a little tone deaf when you're laughing and saying "she should have just left"
@Caitilizzie
@Caitilizzie 14 күн бұрын
It was the “He gave her cancer” part that really got me… like, bro, time and place
@zakkurei6451
@zakkurei6451 7 ай бұрын
At this point, Luca wasn't freeloading. THIS IS JUST BORDERLINE PLAGIARISM. Like seriously, Raziel deserves so much better.
@Chronor
@Chronor 7 ай бұрын
nah she was her slave
@ainocj173
@ainocj173 7 ай бұрын
Tbf raziel was his groomer, their dynamic only changed since luca joined niji meaning he is now in more power in the relationship (fame, money, larger friend circles) and the relationship changed into luca manipulating and using her while it used to be the opposite back then. Don't really know the raziel deserve better part as she is also disgusting(you can see her past records) but i think we can agree that its a toxic relationship that needs to stop.
@ДарьяДарина-ж5к
@ДарьяДарина-ж5к 7 ай бұрын
​@@ainocj173 they were 18 and 24 when they met
@ainocj173
@ainocj173 7 ай бұрын
@@ДарьяДарина-ж5к I dont know about you but to me that is still grooming. 18 is still in last year of highschool or just graduated, they're still not that different or more mature than still being in school yet. 20 and 26 is okay but 18 and 24 is still....eh...red flag. Not to mention raziel and java was interacting in an inappropriate way while raziel is married.
@aaronchua5085
@aaronchua5085 7 ай бұрын
Nah More Like Vampire Luca Sucks the Victim Blood Extremely Fresh and Make Raziel his Favourite Slave and Almost Used to the point She Dies on all fronts and accounts , until major big event that backstabs her then she wakes up too late all accumulation stacking damage have been done and beyond restoring toxic relationship was the last straw , i mean he used her like aka joker and harley quinn after she showed signs of breaking down and he doubledown on that , lastly full nuclear from Raziel which yes she had all times she could ended the toxic friend BS Relationship was long gone at that time , he knows but she does not , slaving her way for luca for a complete meltdown and full on nuclear
@makkadakkadakka
@makkadakkadakka 7 ай бұрын
I know there were a lot of laughs because the situation is ridiculous, but man, all I could hear from this whole situation is just a mess of an abusive relationship. It's definitely not the usual love relationship, but an abusive relationship is an abusive relationship. Like, holy fuck.
@signumxmagnum
@signumxmagnum 7 ай бұрын
Sounds like she had a parasocial relationship with him. And clearly He knows how to play it on his hand.
@ectothermic
@ectothermic 7 ай бұрын
They were both pretty awful people, stop martyrising her, she released ALL the messages so all of it was aired out fairly. I don't know why people have to pick a side. You don't. You can be appalled by two things equally.
@Kalavani-vz2cz
@Kalavani-vz2cz 7 ай бұрын
​@@signumxmagnumno it did not really look like that it felt as if he was emotionally manipulating by saying his parents are abusive making her feel bad for him and that she was the only good person he knew and he was pretty good at manipulating her guilt trapping and gaslighting
@signumxmagnum
@signumxmagnum 7 ай бұрын
@@Kalavani-vz2cz Even if he guilt tripping her, she wouldn't be around him if she doesn't have any feeling herself. There's no way they were "friend" only with that kind of relationship for years, even after trying to distance and doing therapy, the first thing she do is going to him.
@Kalavani-vz2cz
@Kalavani-vz2cz 7 ай бұрын
@@signumxmagnum you literally cannot just tell someone to get out of a toxic relationship there is a lot of things that go on behind the screens that we don't know how bad the manipulation was we do not have any idea what was going on remember this document is probably a bit simplified
@nilo334
@nilo334 10 сағат бұрын
Honestly ive never watched any vtuber, just know the names of popular ones but your content is so funny. I’m glad it dropped on my fyp, i’ll try to catch the streams!!
@Wonkyweewee
@Wonkyweewee 7 ай бұрын
As an abuse victim its really hard to leave a toxic relationship when the abuser is not mentally stable
@Invisibli_ty
@Invisibli_ty 7 ай бұрын
Im not an abuse victim and although it was stupid that Raziel still didnt leave it doesn't take me one or two braincells to think "Hey! How is she being blamed for this? Shes the one being manipulated" or atleast thats what my last 2 braincells thought I mean the rest dont wanna be included in this shit
@funniestmiss8120
@funniestmiss8120 7 ай бұрын
exactly this must’ve been so hard for both you and Raziel.
@sickening_love1154
@sickening_love1154 7 ай бұрын
As a victim also, I spent 4 years being abused by someone and he knew exactly how to keep me in the relationship. Usually, he would guilt me or tell me how he was struggling to deal with the loss of his brother who died from cancer, or when his mom was abusing him so he put his frustration onto me. He always worded these things for me to sympathize and immediately comfort him, despite how he always did it to stray away from all the abuse he did to me a moment before. The only reason I ever realized all of it was wrong was when I had someone else outside of the relationship tell me that what I told them of my experience with my bf was not normal and not ok. In fact, I didn't know it was abuse at all. That's how bad the manipulation was - that's why I never left. I didn't know it wasn't normal. And perhaps, it was the same for Raziel.
@Pseudowolf
@Pseudowolf 7 ай бұрын
First of all, we are seeing the incidents all at once. In real time, this took place over a long period of time. I’m sure that in between these, he was nice or toned down to where she developed an feeling of “well sometimes he just acts out”. A classic “you don’t know him like I do” mentality. I would imagine she also felt sorry for him due to how he claimed his mother was abusive and she felt like she’d be “abandoning” him. People really don’t get how hard it can be to get away from an abusive relationship.
@ron4tron
@ron4tron 7 ай бұрын
​@@zipfling11 I read both of your comments, and it reads as though you're both in full agreement? Correct me if I'm wrong. Invisibli: "I'm not an abuse victim, and although it was stupid Raziel still didn't leave, it doesn't take a genius to think 'She was manipulated; it's unfair she's being blamed for this.'" You: "'I don't know anything, but you're wrong and I'm right' It may seem easy to leave an abusive relationship to some, but you don't know how it feels." Hope that may clear things up?
@AnimeFanFTW25
@AnimeFanFTW25 7 ай бұрын
One thing that was not mentioned in this video, was the fact said Luca 2024 Birthday merch, showed a signature. The issue? The signature looked VERY different then the signatures in the 2022 and 2023 Birthday merch. And Raziel mentioned she would do the signatures for him before she left. The more time passes, the more it turns out the Raziel document is true.
@donnycorn3086
@donnycorn3086 7 ай бұрын
just a grammar note, it's *than, not *then. But you're right I never noticed that.
@ghf17gert
@ghf17gert 7 ай бұрын
Nah, dude. Good information but horrible take. She's an abuse victim. Abuse victims are at high risk for repeat abuse. The vulnerability that leads to this kind of captive abuse usually starts young.
@40fatkids
@40fatkids 4 ай бұрын
They are at a high risk for repeated abuse because they never take responsibility for their part in the abuse so they never learn how to keep themselfs from being abused. I was mentality abused by family and lovers, and in none of these situations did i pass off 100% of the blame to the abuser, because i CHOSE to stay. When the mass public is aware of a subject such as mental abuse and there are options for help EVERYWHERE, even just a google search to look up common patterns of mental abuse you cant plead ignorance to the responsibility of your own well being. If someone told me they are gonna punch me and the face, and i dont leave them alone or move away, me getting punched is my fault. The first time someones abused its not their fault how could they have seen it, but if its over and over and you know what it looks like its your fault and building this victimhood blanket is only going to make more abused people because everyones being taught that its only the abuser fault not the victims. You can be a victim and still have something be your fault it happens all the time. Live with it just like everyone else.
@bummedmachinist7483
@bummedmachinist7483 Ай бұрын
Yeah he kept laughing like she was ridiculous but when you get manipulated like this it is very serious and i deeply disrupts your ability to value yourself without that person and your self-dependability. Toxic relationships are notable because they are so damaging and the victim cannot leave. If they judge the situation properly and leaving was painless and easy they would, but that's not how these relationships work.
@hexmech1893
@hexmech1893 7 ай бұрын
Meanwhile at COVER: *Yagoo sipping tea while wondering what to do with all his merch*
@sagemiracle2674
@sagemiracle2674 7 ай бұрын
That's why hololive will always be the best of all
@DeterminedTorres
@DeterminedTorres 7 ай бұрын
holopro also got holostars if there are ppl that still crave male vtubers
@cloudwalker9572
@cloudwalker9572 7 ай бұрын
Yagoo's smart man, he kicked out Rushia with a good reason before she started her downward spiral.
@jimmytsunami5275
@jimmytsunami5275 7 ай бұрын
@@cloudwalker9572 also she attempted unalive and she was getting massive amount of hate and death threats. There is no way she is evil as Vox or Luca, no way she’s comparable to them.
@aljoshilagan3204
@aljoshilagan3204 7 ай бұрын
@@cloudwalker9572 he also was not afraid to nuke an entire gen, cause he knows they'll be a problem in the future. but still made sure there was no hard feelings. cause well... it was been a long time now, and I barely heard any drama that came from the Chinese branch of hololive.
@blacksnow5890
@blacksnow5890 7 ай бұрын
As someone who's been with a very toxic ex and who abused me till I was a mental trainwreck. He manipulated me into staying, he would constantly switch between being toxic and giving me all his love which lead to me being very dependent of him. I stayed... for 2 years... he made me feel bad for everything he's done. And to this day blames me for, for example, not leaving. (he even blamed me for cheating). Yes, narcissistic/ manupilative/ toxic people, they won't let you leave. I can't imagine how scared she must have been. I felt like my ex would ruin my life if I left. Small update for anyone who cares: We broke up about 1,5 month ago and I had to actually block him to detach myself. I've been doing better than ever since. I met some other guys who care about me and I'm going to meet with more friends:) (I felt restricted to do so in my relationship)
@moneythailand1149
@moneythailand1149 7 ай бұрын
I'm glad for you. Hopefully your new boyfriend will be kind & a lovely person that can heal you from your ex.
@blacksnow5890
@blacksnow5890 5 ай бұрын
@@moneythailand1149 Me too! I actually got another boyfriend in the meanwhile but he ended up being a creep so we broke up too. I've been doing great though, been going out and meeting new people. How are you?
@zoeyonionmelon281
@zoeyonionmelon281 5 ай бұрын
im so glad your romantic life has taken a change for the better :'D you did yourself a big favor and i am so proud of you for that. I wish for a happy and lasting relationship with your new significant other!!!
@greeny.official
@greeny.official 4 ай бұрын
bruh i wish u had more tactic n empathy when speaking abt serious situations like abuse.
@Frozenies
@Frozenies 4 ай бұрын
for real, i love his videos but it feels like that
@iwansays
@iwansays 4 ай бұрын
Ngl the way he delivered this makes me uncomfortable.
@JA-js8uk
@JA-js8uk 7 ай бұрын
The statement “It’s always the ‘wholesome’ ones who have the most skeletons in their closet” is becoming truer every day with this Niji EN situation.
@Malakai__WeLoveYouMafumafu
@Malakai__WeLoveYouMafumafu 7 ай бұрын
fr, i hope that ike and shu dont have any controversies, I love them too much. and noctyx, love them too i hope they arent doing any shady shit
@0reas0n
@0reas0n 7 ай бұрын
@@Malakai__WeLoveYouMafumafu god im only subscribed to Fulgur and Uki at this point as they both seem like comfort streamers with mature characters, i would feel like im stabbed in the heart if it turned out to be opposite
@shirendjorgee9320
@shirendjorgee9320 7 ай бұрын
Except Rosemi
@Lotan_
@Lotan_ 7 ай бұрын
I give people obsessed with "wholesomeness" a wide fucking berth honestly.
@rinaashere
@rinaashere 7 ай бұрын
@@0reas0n but uki is racist 😭😭 i used to love that man but the racism towards the westerners is really rude even if i'm not white.
@Star-DustGhoul
@Star-DustGhoul 7 ай бұрын
29:50 "I don't call my friends love" *Sweats Englishly*
@Ish_Fire
@Ish_Fire Ай бұрын
Fr😂
@Abrai9994
@Abrai9994 2 ай бұрын
I don't like the lack of empathy that you have for Raziel. I feel like you are down playing what she went through. It's extremely hard to leave an abusive friendship. Especially when you are being manipulated and feel like you are being relied on. Whether it is you being relied on for your mental health, or them opening up to you about situations whether they are real and fake. You have a bond and connection with the person. Which in this case they've been friends for years which makes it even harder. There is a reason that it takes such a long time to leave. Raziel seems highly empathetic which makes it even harder than it already is. I don't mean to offend or try to seem like I'm being mean. However I feel very uncomfortable that you are laughing at abuse. Abuse is never something which you should laugh at.
@M1lka33
@M1lka33 2 ай бұрын
Bro- Mujin was just recapping the situation. Don’t send hate to H I M !
@Puck-berserk69
@Puck-berserk69 7 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *🌐 The Vtuber community, especially Nijisanji, has been embroiled in controversies, with the latest involving Luca Kaneshiro.* 00:25 *🚨 Luca's involvement with a married woman led to a series of toxic events, including leaked internal protocols and personal misconduct.* 02:02 *🌟 Luca Kaneshiro was part of the Luxium wave, a group of male Vtubers who changed the perception of male Vtubers in the industry.* 03:22 *💬 Before becoming Luca, he was known as Java, involved in VR chat communities, notorious for pretending to be a female.* 04:33 *🎮 Java's interactions in VR chat led him to meet Raziel, a VR chat streamer, sparking a complex relationship that continued into the Vtuber world.* 05:29 *🔍 Raziel exposed Luca's problematic behavior, including harassment and unethical conduct, supported by leaked Nijisanji contracts.* 09:13 *🤖 Luca's manipulative behavior included inappropriate actions during VR chats, disregarding clear boundaries, and exploiting personal trauma.* 12:40 *🔒 Despite experiencing manipulation and harassment, Raziel continued to support Luca, managing his streaming career and community.* 15:25 *⚠️ During Nijisanji auditions, Luca engaged in harassment on Twitter, creating fake accounts, yet still got accepted into Nijisanji's English male Vtuber wave.* 18:09 *💼 Raziel provided significant support to Luca, even creating content for his streams, highlighting Nijisanji's lack of support for their talents.* 19:07 *💍 The "Ring Fit Adventure incident" showcased Luca's discomfort with his chat's behavior, which often turned sexual during his streams.* 20:41 *🛡️ Luca Kaneshiro immediately sides with a donor over his moderator, causing panic and misunderstandings.* 21:09 *💔 Despite Luca's tweet supporting his moderators, Raziel faced doxxing, harassment, and threats.* 22:04 *🔄 Luca's content shifted towards "boyfriend experience" due to fixation on viewer count and frustration with Raziel's lack of engagement.* 23:22 *📈 Luca's jealousy of other VTubers' attention led to ego searching, fan interaction, and a focus on pandering content.* 24:45 *💰 Luca's payment methods to Raziel were irregular and included random payments without a proper contract or invoicing.* 25:14 *📜 Luca's chat rules were bizarre, reflecting a lack of clear communication and professionalism.* 26:09 *✍️ Raziel's extensive contributions to Luca's career, including writing lore and even forging his signature, raise questions about authenticity and professionalism.* 27:17 *🏢 Internal leaks reveal questionable communication practices within Nijisanji, including leakages of private messages and lack of PR training.* 28:42 *🚫 Luca's mismanagement and lack of leadership role contradict Nijisanji's expectations and contribute to internal conflicts.* 31:02 *⚠️ Allegations of harassment and bullying within Nijisanji highlight potential systemic issues and management failures.* 32:40 *🔚 Despite ongoing toxicity, Raziel struggles to cut ties with Luca, leading to further emotional distress and isolation.* 35:52 *🤔 Both Raziel and Luca exhibit concerning behavior, emphasizing the need for professional help and distancing from each other.*
@zulzul-c1r
@zulzul-c1r 7 ай бұрын
Thank you bro✊🏻
@mythicdreamx
@mythicdreamx 7 ай бұрын
tysm, you're a godsend for making this
@Puck-berserk69
@Puck-berserk69 7 ай бұрын
@@mythicdreamx for all the people who have ADHD lmao like me
@skrunklyasian
@skrunklyasian 7 ай бұрын
Mujin may not be pregnant but he always delivers.
@mitsu-um1cw
@mitsu-um1cw 7 ай бұрын
I sure hope he isn’t pregnant , I don’t think Luca would like it…
@gachagamer536
@gachagamer536 7 ай бұрын
​@@mitsu-um1cwIs Mujin White as well? If he is that'll be 2 people that hate him *cough* Uki
@skrunklyasian
@skrunklyasian 7 ай бұрын
@@mitsu-um1cw Lmao!!
@dawnthenightlightfury1195
@dawnthenightlightfury1195 7 ай бұрын
@@mitsu-um1cwhey Luca doesn’t like pregnant woman. He didn’t say anything about pregnant men!
@skrunklyasian
@skrunklyasian 7 ай бұрын
@@dawnthenightlightfury1195 TRUE THO HAHA
@Glazem00r
@Glazem00r 7 ай бұрын
I like your videos and your humor, Mujin, i don't mean to offend you, i just feel somewhat uncomfortable with you laughing at the manipulated victim, joking about it, i know you aren't a bad person, and that this is your type of humor, im just scared that it will influence others to laugh at manipulation cases and dont understand it, sorry if you feel offended, it wasn't my intention
@Slugbunny
@Slugbunny 7 ай бұрын
It's their style of presentation, it's a cliche. The laugh isn't a laugh, it's part of the script's tone (haha you know, haha get this, etc.). I agree that it's a bad fit and a bad look, should have modified the script for this one.
@kordact
@kordact 5 ай бұрын
i agree. its uncomfortable if he keeps laughing at the sign of abuse
@m.i8483
@m.i8483 5 ай бұрын
she isn't completely innocent either, looking at the comments below her tweets. so i guess that explains his attitude torwards her
@noel_is_notwell
@noel_is_notwell 5 ай бұрын
theyre both terrible but acting so ignorant about how badly people can be manipulated by someone is so 😭 ???
@guomi821
@guomi821 5 ай бұрын
She finally escaped his grasp when she almost unsubscribed herself, but then she decided to message him when she finally had a chance to move on. She even left her long term boyfriend for him. She was clear on her boundaries from the start but still decided to give him an inch. Manipulated or not, she had all the chances given to her to cut him off but decided not to. You cannot not just laugh and shake your head with that, like bro, the red flags are all over the place, but I guess if you are a woman, you are not accountable for all your bad choices in life.
@ivantillisalivetrust.89_70
@ivantillisalivetrust.89_70 7 ай бұрын
LUCA???? I WOULDVE NEVER GUESSED SOMETHING WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH HIM...?😨😨😨
@Yanqinx
@Yanqinx 7 ай бұрын
DUDE SAME???
@smugpeko9587
@smugpeko9587 7 ай бұрын
luca is loco
@moxie6293
@moxie6293 7 ай бұрын
I made a mistake with making myself too attached to Luca.. My heart incredibly hurts and I am so upset of what he's done to raziel. I can't believe I got manipulated by his so-called "nice" personality.. I hope I get to hear his side of the story, rn I really believe raziel rn
@bloddrinkeraka
@bloddrinkeraka 7 ай бұрын
@@moxie6293 What are you even talking about? Well of course celebrity fans are delusional. Literally all popular figures, especially streamers, are acting, none of their personality is actually real. Did you actually expect anything else?
@mikuenjoyerXD
@mikuenjoyerXD 7 ай бұрын
​@@bloddrinkeraka and KZbin comments are cruel
@grape._.panta.
@grape._.panta. 7 ай бұрын
i feel so bad for all the lucubs who placed their loyalty into luca 😭 this must be like- a fucking roller coaster for them. 😭
@matsu5010
@matsu5010 7 ай бұрын
It is I’m like borderline in denial, I’m not exaggerating when I say I did not expect this AT ALL 😭
@lost_to_time.
@lost_to_time. 7 ай бұрын
Luca was my favorite VTuber for a while...knowing that he did all these things is just like a "oh goodness gracious" moment.
@grape._.panta.
@grape._.panta. 7 ай бұрын
@@lost_to_time. yeah, shit like this makes me fear for putting trust in Uki and Vox (my oshis of Niji En)- especially because everyone in the niji en community keeps bringing Vox into this 🤪
@grape._.panta.
@grape._.panta. 7 ай бұрын
@@matsu5010 honestly, i always got like weirdish vibes from luca, but i think it's just cause i didn't like the way he said pog constantly 💀 call me an edgy 14 year old (i was then) but it annoyed me and threw me off. As my boss would say "childish vs. childlike? which one are you being?" and it always came across really childish, which does have its market, but making dirty jokes with vox akuma is not that market (not shading vox, he's my oshi)
@matsu5010
@matsu5010 7 ай бұрын
@@grape._.panta. I guess to me it just felt charming and a bit silly, I never got creepy vibes but now I wish I had. I haven’t been super into vtubers in the past months but I still liked them, but all of this is shocking, Ike is genuinely my last hope and even I don’t know if he’s in the clear 😭
@icarus4302
@icarus4302 7 ай бұрын
I can't believe it Vox and Luca were my absolute favorites, I'm so upset
@eneor
@eneor 7 ай бұрын
from what im understanding is that, she was being emotionally manipulated hence why she didn't leave earlier. i might be wrong though.
@eneor
@eneor 7 ай бұрын
no, I'm not taking her side. I'm taking no one's side lmaoo. that said, having finished watching the video, I believe she should have talked to someone about it and thus, pulled herself away from him early on.
@headshotgamer677
@headshotgamer677 7 ай бұрын
​@@eneor I really side with her in the first messages but oh my god...i-i don't know what to say anymore 😅
@notdio5619
@notdio5619 7 ай бұрын
Its codependency. Both have issues imo
@spectre9340
@spectre9340 7 ай бұрын
​@@eneorthat's the thing tho. These types of people will try to isolate you from your social circles so you have no one but them to rely on That's why many victims of emotional manipulators don't feel confident that they could leave. They think "they're the only person I have left", not realizing they're the reason they have no one else
@novaangle2183
@novaangle2183 7 ай бұрын
@@spectre9340 Yep. Very common for victims to literally push away everyone else without realizing it till there is no one else. Maladaptive schemas tend to play a role.
@Christian-gr3gu
@Christian-gr3gu 7 ай бұрын
"no good guy or bad guy" well that's fucking wrong. Luca is clearly in the wrong even if raziel kept coming back
@dizzy2445
@dizzy2445 7 ай бұрын
the victim blaming here was nuts, the laughing about it too was super... just weird and mean
@angelablue2761
@angelablue2761 7 ай бұрын
literally the comment i was looking for thank you I was loosing my mind nO bAD guY tf???
@youseenednedisdead
@youseenednedisdead 6 ай бұрын
@@dizzy2445 as someone who's had multiple people close to me sustain years of abuse and refuse help at every turn while standing by their abuser, there's a point where empathy runs out and the weakness becomes wickedness
@Freur-00
@Freur-00 6 ай бұрын
And Raziel isn't the bad guy for being a creep that's preying on teenagers?
@Freur-00
@Freur-00 6 ай бұрын
@@dizzy2445 Deserved, honestly
@tsubxsa7227
@tsubxsa7227 7 ай бұрын
Almost tempted to dm luca photos of pregnant transgender men, his two fears combined
@flowersandcheesecake1710
@flowersandcheesecake1710 7 ай бұрын
I’m assuming the reason she didn’t leave is because she pity him for the abuse and probably made excuses for his behavior it could also be a white knight complex as well I honestly can’t blame her Edit: In THAT department I’m not taking any sides not sure if I will at any point
@mintski
@mintski 7 ай бұрын
the laughing while stating the obvious "just leave him" just hurt... when you're in abuse you cant just leave considering multiple times that you've been manipulated, i think you actually need help to get out of that situation... its hard leaving out of your own will. i feel sorry for her but it is true that she is at fault as well. she should've start detaching from him and completely cut it off the moment they talked about to lessen their contact from each other. hoping raziel gets recovery soon and luca owns up to all this twisted stuff he caused... though im not expecting anymore.
@brabbits5308
@brabbits5308 7 ай бұрын
What a weak ass lol 😂. Just fucking block him lol 😂.
@appiepi7831
@appiepi7831 7 ай бұрын
No literally and it’s making me mad.. It’s like people don’t understand basic sociology. It’s manipulation for a reason- she even stated it evolved into a codependent type of manipulation?? I’m glad she was able to remove herself from the situation *at all.* It takes a lot of mental strength when you’re depressed to overcome shit like this because you sympathize with the other person heavily because they’re also in a personally fucked situation. And that’s literally only the tip of the iceberg. There’s so much more complexity to manipulative relationships than what other people skew their focus to and it’s actually mind boggling that it’s not common knowledge apparently.
@legacymse7095
@legacymse7095 7 ай бұрын
It was all virtual, it's not like she was scared for her life, in the real world. She has serious mental health issue, in her situation is was insanely easy to just stop. Sometimes it's hard because your whole entourage will hear about it and something virtual can affect your whole life BUT this wasn't one of those time, it's actually that easy: just drop him. Yet she chose to keep doing this. They're both weirdos
@Suki222
@Suki222 7 ай бұрын
@@legacymse7095 How ignorant do you have to be to read all of the above commnents and still say this? Ae you aware of what manipulation is? grooming, codepencies, financial abuse etc. Oh yeah, that little girl on discord talking to a thirty man could have just stopped being friends with him! Oh yeah, this emotionally manipulated woman could have easily left this situation because its online, its not like Luca used trauma-bonding to make her feel responsible for him and exploited her empathy! Seriously, literally ANYTHING can affect your entire life, especially other humans, and you dont even have to know what they look like. I hope you'll eventually reconsider your values and morals if you genuinely think like this.
@mintsmooth860
@mintsmooth860 7 ай бұрын
@@legacymse7095 youre a weirdo for victim blaming. learn some empathy
@rainbowducky2546
@rainbowducky2546 7 ай бұрын
thank you for summing up the document, but jeez man, chill with the victim blaming, yes this is a weird situation, yes in hindsight you may say she had many chances, but we really don't know how it really was do we
@CrabKFP
@CrabKFP 4 ай бұрын
Want to add something, yes, she is a groomer (Luca was a minor when she approached him). That doesn't mean she was abbused by him, no one deserves to be a victim in any way.
@kitycheeha
@kitycheeha 7 ай бұрын
Leaving a toxic relationship, especially if they have isolated you, is not as easy as "Oh just leave". That is king of very insensitive thing to say, even if leaving is the correct action. You said it yourself, they are both not mentally well.
@STAYCJP
@STAYCJP 7 ай бұрын
literally my thoughts. it was kind of hard to watch with him saying “but she still didn’t leave, i don’t know why!” 🥲
@08mayleen
@08mayleen 7 ай бұрын
The amount of gaslighting Luca did to her made her second guess about leaving him.
@titheproven954
@titheproven954 7 ай бұрын
I think it is worth noting that she is the only narrator here. I do not trust the whole of the framing going on here. I think they are both messed up. She was an adult in a relationship when she started this with an 18yr old? Doesn't stand up to the smell test.
@kitycheeha
@kitycheeha 7 ай бұрын
@@titheproven954 Yeah, for sure, a single source of information is rarely reliable and she doesn't seem all that innocent. But 20 y.o. is barely adult, a lot of people still tend to make mistakes at that age, hec older peole ar not imune to mistakes and manipulation either, that part is normal. Not to mention it isn't clear what her background was, at least from this video or I skipped it...
@titheproven954
@titheproven954 7 ай бұрын
@@kitycheeha She was 6 years older at those ages it is a rather large gap and the mentality of a 18year old boy vs a 24 year old women is not nothing. I just think it is something a lot of people are just glossing over
@vapoeron3540
@vapoeron3540 7 ай бұрын
There is a reason why victims seldom leave their abusers. They were/are being emotionally manipulated. The same has happened here as well, it was established early on in their relationship with the abusive mother. Furthermore, abusers search for their potential victims, usually more empathetic people, who are prone to put the well being of others above their own, due to their own circumstances (trauma, family education, etc). Putting blame on her for "why are you not leaving/stopping contact with him" is the worst part of this video. The fault is entirely on the abuser for being a gigantic, manipulative, stinking pile of shit.
@Fishman465
@Fishman465 7 ай бұрын
Sums up Niji and its livers
@aritrasaha441
@aritrasaha441 7 ай бұрын
But at the same time Leave him Victim blaming isnt cool. But normalizing that isnt well either. People should be made more aware to not fall into such manipulative traps. Sympathizing with her is ok. Glorifying what she did is not which is what im seeing some places. What she did should be copied. People like Luca SHOULD be removed from contact lists immediately. Post the touching dong stuff
@the8bitclicker_193
@the8bitclicker_193 7 ай бұрын
​​@@aritrasaha441 that's easier said than done source: look at other cases of abusive relationships
@hadesgoncalves983
@hadesgoncalves983 7 ай бұрын
This would not be a cause of Stockholm syndrome
@omnom277
@omnom277 7 ай бұрын
@@the8bitclicker_193 Those cases aren't solved by moving your mouse and clicking block. You're acting like she's chained to Luca's bed in Australia or some shit lol
@anastasiadalias1rbu
@anastasiadalias1rbu 7 ай бұрын
You need to go easier on Raziel. Constantly going “she should’ve ended their friendship” “why would she do this” “I don’t know why, was he holding a gun to her head” really undermines the effects of manipulation. It’s literally text book. You feel like that person relies on you, you care about them, and failure to do what they want equals to abandoning them and might end up with them hurt- or at least that’s how the manipulation makes you think. You’re literally blaming HER for HIS manipulation
@ElRatten.
@ElRatten. 7 ай бұрын
I think you meant Raziel(?), as Java is Luca's past life
@anastasiadalias1rbu
@anastasiadalias1rbu 7 ай бұрын
@@ElRatten. Yes thank you!
@tartyjuice
@tartyjuice 4 ай бұрын
He gave her an exit, I understand manipulation is hard to get through but she is an adult with her own mind to think for herself. Anyone could see the situation and the fact no one she knew around her helped her out goes to show her environment was horrible. That in its self isn't her fault but what mujin saying if you even listened was that he felt bad for her, but there were many openings to know her self worth and leave the situation. It's so hard, and I understand that, but i've seen and been in a similar situation myself to know that there is always a way out. It may take some time, but eventually it'll be over with. With her coming out with this document to begin with means she hasn't yet moved on from the situation and the fact she brought public eye on it instead of just leaving it and never talking to Luca again, the situation escalated. If I were raziel, I would want to leave it all behind and move on with my life, if she really wanted to tell someone how she felt she could have told someone close to her or a therapist. there were so many better ways to handle this situation and I don't believe this was the right choice, the internet is a horrible place and the internet is how this ALL started, going back to the same place again was foolish.
@anastasiadalias1rbu
@anastasiadalias1rbu 4 ай бұрын
@@tartyjuice of course there’s always a way out, and she did break off contact eventually from my understanding, but nobody should be making fun of a victim before they managed to get out of their abusive situation. Besides, not all manipulation is malevolent. I don’t believe Luca himself was malevolent in their relationship, he seems to have been desperate and had some deeply unhealthy tendencies which ended up hurting both him and the people around them. It’s easier to leave when the situation is black and white like we see it from an observer’s viewpoint, but I’m sure that there was way more to their friendship than the bad parts. Besides, people are different. I for one am way more vulnerable to manipulation and codependency, because I’m a highly empathetic person, and I sometimes feel like setting boundaries for myself is a form of betrayal. A lot of things can factor in, like self esteem issues or social isolation etc etc. All in all. Of course she should’ve left. But I get why she didn’t. You can’t laugh at someone stuck in a bad situation even if they could’ve avoided it the same way you can’t laugh at someone who got hit by a car when they could’ve been more careful. Sure, they could’ve done things differently, but ultimately it’s them who suffered the most. Besides, the only person who should be blamed for this is Luca. Yeah, she could’ve left, but he’s the one who hurt her, and blaming her kind of excuses him. (Also. Her coming out with the document is the best thing she could’ve done, in my opinion. It’s closure, and also serves as a warning to not give your trusts to someone undeserving of it)
@Meimoons
@Meimoons 3 ай бұрын
⁠@stareyesfujiiEveryone is the asshole at this point. Luca is at fault, Nijinisanji is at fault, and so is Raziel to an extent. Btw she wasn’t married but in a long term committed relationship before Luca
@selenastratsukino7695
@selenastratsukino7695 7 ай бұрын
manipulation, the goal is to make you dependable of them, she was isolated so she only had him. it can be hard for victims to leave. You shouldn't judge Raziel for "staying", it's easier when you know the pattern to leave, i recommend you research on the subject to understand more the psychology of the victim.
@georgebootoo4026
@georgebootoo4026 7 ай бұрын
Dont feel bad for her, feel bad for her ex boyfriend, hopefully he found a better girl.
@tkraid2575
@tkraid2575 7 ай бұрын
​@georgebootoo4026 for real. Long term relationship, but your girl rp's with some gay-baiting guy and leaves you for him. Yeah, he dodged a bullet with this for sure.
@banji7612
@banji7612 7 ай бұрын
​@@georgebootoo4026 I'm pretty sure he was her husband, even carzier
@noranizaazmi6523
@noranizaazmi6523 7 ай бұрын
@@banji7612 he wasn’t. Just a long-term boyfriend
@noranizaazmi6523
@noranizaazmi6523 7 ай бұрын
WHICH is still pretty bad
@raken69
@raken69 7 ай бұрын
those leaks alone is enough to violate NDA.. if luca still wasn't fired after this I'm gonna be so disappointed
@_aislingxyz
@_aislingxyz 5 ай бұрын
The victim blaming is crazy. On average it takes about 7 times for someone to attempt to leave an abusive relationship before they really can. The lack of empathy for Raziel is actually criminal
@trappedfan5206
@trappedfan5206 5 ай бұрын
Mujin is a man after all, they are notorious for having close to none empathy towards women.
@_aislingxyz
@_aislingxyz 5 ай бұрын
@@trappedfan5206 that’s not an excuse. Men should have empathy for women, as they should have empathy for everyone. There are plenty men in this world who do, there’s no excuse for other men who don’t
@ratking747
@ratking747 5 ай бұрын
Had to unsubscribe because of this vid. This whole video was so uncomfortable and full of victim blaming…
@Andraskies
@Andraskies 5 ай бұрын
It has really bothered me when he said there is no good or bad in such situation because then he is just making her look bad for having a good heart for someone who doesn't deserve it, he is right about it that it's wrong and should have left long time ago, it's wrong to be naive all the time but it doesn't mean she is bad as luca
@粗暴干涉
@粗暴干涉 4 ай бұрын
Both are equally disgusting af
@davidm4171
@davidm4171 7 ай бұрын
Bro, i didn't know someone who got the best innocent mask as a Vtuber since then finally going in Character as a criminal (literally💀)
@dazaiyohane
@dazaiyohane 7 ай бұрын
NEW MUJIN VIDEO WAKE UP BABY
@dawsonrussell7846
@dawsonrussell7846 7 ай бұрын
Yes honey
@Nezukoscat
@Nezukoscat 7 ай бұрын
This video posted when I just woke up LOL
@planetary-rendez-vous
@planetary-rendez-vous 7 ай бұрын
What a weird relationship you have with Mujin /s (get it?)
@urayahayahauraAAA
@urayahayahauraAAA 2 ай бұрын
wish he made a video about the Doki and Vivi situation
@its_foi
@its_foi Ай бұрын
As a person with bad mental health and lived through mental manipulation, it is HARD and almost IMPOSSIBLE to leave the abuser who either love-bombed the victim or manipulate feelings for years. Somebody would say why Raziel doesn't just leave Luca, it is not that easy. It took my mom 10 years to realize the toxic relationship she had with my ex-stepdad before she divorced him for good. There's always sympathy and guilty of leaving the abuser because of bond. it would feel hurtful to even think of leaving and feel scared what would happen to the victim and if nobody will believe in or help the victim. When you talked about nobody forcing her to be with Luca, it was Luca that forced her with time they spent together, pushed her into the position of unable to leave him which also cripple her mind. He doesn't have to threaten her to change her mind, he can just play being pathetic of her leaving and commit he is a bad person and did many bad things, saying many things so she cannot leave. I have witness the scene that much multiple times between a pathetic maniac psychopath and my strong and kind soul mom that now turned suicidal and mentally ill. The abuser will become bullshit again with in a couple months. It's how abuser shaped kind soul into caged bird.
@SilverNightbane
@SilverNightbane 7 ай бұрын
The man took his criminal persona a little too seriously it seems...
@Ronniexyv
@Ronniexyv 7 ай бұрын
OH HELL NAH 😭 Bro i hope shes okay for now, i was about get into luca and his fan base but OML, THIS JUST BROKE MY JAW AND 360 SPIN MY HEAD AND MY BRAIN YELLLING OUT "LUCA WTF"
@aninomiaibet5321
@aninomiaibet5321 7 ай бұрын
I would have enjoyed this documentary if you weren’t laughing your ass off. What Raziel experienced, I believe can still be regarded as sexual assault. It was horrifying and confusing because everything is happening so fast. For you to continuously laughing at her situation is not okay, it’s disrespectful and very unsympathetic towards her as a victim. This is disappointing.
@_sproopi_751
@_sproopi_751 6 ай бұрын
Yes! I’ve been saying the same thing in my replies on this video. Why tf is he laughing as sexual harassment?? Tf?
@bludoesart5692
@bludoesart5692 6 ай бұрын
Right!! It's very..odd.
@Juffrou_ffoorie
@Juffrou_ffoorie 5 ай бұрын
Well she was 6 years older than him and didn't say anything about him beating himself even when she has a boyfriend. Luca is definitely in the wrong but she's not completely innocent either. Mind u this is from her perspective so she can be leaving out details.
@PlayWithThatBlackGuy
@PlayWithThatBlackGuy 5 ай бұрын
​@Juffrou_ffoorie So she didn't reinforce her boundaries largely because she was being manipulated and that somehow means she's also to blame?
@fishyo8067
@fishyo8067 5 ай бұрын
esp the last part where he was like you had multiple chances to leave and didnt, so its consensual?/ LIKE WHAT. NO? BC SHE DIDNT LEAVE DOESNT MAKE IT CONSENSUAL THATS CRAZY
@malcolmliang
@malcolmliang 7 ай бұрын
Only way nijisanji can win this, is to have their own drama channel to harvest their own drama.
@pluggedfinn-bj3hn
@pluggedfinn-bj3hn 7 ай бұрын
Here we can once again see how hard it is to leave a toxic relationship when you're constantly being guilt tripped and trauma dumped. Blaming her in the way you do feels kinda off. But yeah, toxic relationships need to be ended faster, but very often they are kept going because manipulation works.
@Diamond1234
@Diamond1234 7 ай бұрын
Sometimes you can tell when someone hasn't been part of one or seen one when they say stuff like this, because the thing is, the red flags are obvious in hindsight but we're literally seeing the aftermath and the full picture, of course we see it NOW. Because Raziel saw it and is showing us her own, painful realization that she was used and spat out by Luca when convenient for him.
@SapphireYuna
@SapphireYuna 7 ай бұрын
It varies from person to person but if I was in her place no amount of guilt trip would stop me from leaving that kind of friendship ngl. She was smart enough to put boundaries at first but not smart enough to leave when she had the chance. If she needed someone for comfort she probably has other friends right? Idk much about her or she can make new friends (good friends who actually care) so it's questionable why she just didn't leave.
@pluggedfinn-bj3hn
@pluggedfinn-bj3hn 7 ай бұрын
@@SapphireYuna It was literally mentioned in the video that he had managed to isolate her from her friends. And yeah, everyone thinks that they would manage to see the red flags and leave, I'm 99% sure so did Raziel before all this happened.
@aritrasaha441
@aritrasaha441 7 ай бұрын
​@@SapphireYunathe signs came to her time and time again. He breached her trust from years on end. I know plenty of empathetic people who may fall for the trap but they wont choose the stay after a few problem..especially like the touching dong incident
@SapphireYuna
@SapphireYuna 7 ай бұрын
@@pluggedfinn-bj3hn I kinda skip through some part so I probably missed it. But ye like you said it is easier said than done. It's hard to say what'd actually happen if I was in her place. I'll say tho I have experience getting people like them to their knees (just have some experience going around and dealing with bad people, don't ask why I used to do that) but ye I doubt he'd give up easily. Well what I'm saying is unless someone physically threatened me I'm definitely fighting back. At the very least it's nice that people can't blackmail me with something because I don't have anything important that needs to be kept secret. I probably shouldn't be proud of this but I've forced a lot of people to their limits lol sorry it's kinda funny remembering their reactions. Bad people ofc some of them hurt my friend back then. Sorry it's little out of topic. It kinda reminded me of my friend's situation from the past and I just decided to let it out.
@jay246
@jay246 7 ай бұрын
ok here’s the thing right, you talking about the fact she would’ve left multiple times was actually getting uncomfortable at one point. abuse victims find it really hard to leave the abuser themself as they get too emotionally attached to the abuser so raziel was not at fault at all. raziel seems highly empathic which can be the reason she never left luca because she pitied him
@JewJitSuSixty9
@JewJitSuSixty9 2 ай бұрын
She is absolutely at fault. This wasn't a physical relationship. I do agree if someone is actively living with an abuser then sure it's harder to leave, but this was over DISCORD! That makes it 10000x easier to cut contact. She is a grown woman and needs to take responsibility.
@jay246
@jay246 2 ай бұрын
@@JewJitSuSixty9 see you don’t get how bad attachment issues can get. and she obv had SEVERE attachment issues. it’s easy to get attached to people online too. no matter how shitty the person is. stop blaming the victim.
@bummedmachinist7483
@bummedmachinist7483 Ай бұрын
@@JewJitSuSixty9 I ernestly ask you to be humble, leave any assumptions at the door and investigate this topic. Abusive relationships are notable because the victim usually can leave physically but that is rarely ever the primary thing keeping them in the relationship. You have to make the psychological connection that you are being mistreated. Abusive relationships usually have a web of logic and reasons to prevent someone from leaving "what if he kills himself" "what if his mother hurts him and he needs my help" "what if he dies and it's my fault because I wasn't there to help him" they manufacture guilt and reliance and it's not unheard of for an older person to be manipulated by a younger person specifically because they aren't aware the power dynamic is capable of shifting like that (usually the older person turns out to be a few years behind developmentally and/or in terms of emotional maturity, but especially in this case you are not guaranteed wisdom/protection from abuse by the age of 24 and by that age your brain hasn't even fully developed yet.) TLDR: Abuse is only so notable because the primary barrier in leaving the relationship is not usually physical but mental. Investigate the topic and you will be surprised at the sheer amount of people stuck in toxic/abusive online relationships. I truly and humbly want you to take this to heart
@ninja_nadir
@ninja_nadir 7 ай бұрын
bro the girl was abused she felt trapped no way of escaping thats why she was friends with him she was abused
@arinekochan
@arinekochan 7 ай бұрын
WHAT IN SEVEN STAGE OF HELL IS GOING ON
@yugoify
@yugoify 7 ай бұрын
I think the reason why Raziel stayed friends with Luca is because sometimes people are too nice and often easily manipulated. Raziel probably felt like she was ruining a long lasting friendship by cutting herself off from Luca since they had been friends since 2018 and had a "decent" relationship with him since then. I bet at first she was only helping Luca with his duties at Nijisanji but she kept doing them so much that Luca could not function without her help and therefore made her feel obligated to help him with everything. I mean, I thought I would deal with a toxic friendship like a normal person would but I couldn't break myself off of her because we had been friends since 4th grade. She would make me join social media that I never was supposed to have (I was 11), show me porn (still 11), force me to watch a video of a girl throwing up and eating it, (again, 11), and show me a picture of dead little kid after I said I never wanted to see it (you guessed it, 11). I hated how I felt when she would do this but I couldn't bring myself to end our friendship because we had been through a lot together and we had been friends for over 2 years. I understand how Raziel felt because I felt the same thing. Proud of her for finally breaking off 🥳 Edit: But I also forgot to mention, Raziel isn't totally in the right. She's made pretty bad decisions during her friendship with Luca. Why as an adult was she okay with a 17-18 year old being so close to her and so obsessed with her. Morally, it should have set off many alarms. Acting as if it was normal and okay made the situation worse. It enables him to think it's okay to act like this with Raziel and normalizes his behavior with herself, that bleeding onto his behavior in relationships with other people (Now he thinks its cool to harass people). Doesn't change that Luca is an absolute jerk, but Raziel isn't that innocent as people say.
@maryam-nusa
@maryam-nusa 6 ай бұрын
Please correct me if I’m wrong but the touching himself thing happened not that long into their friendship, right? no way would I know that someone touched themselves to me without my consent and I act like nothing happened. I have a very close friend and if I knew he did that I literally would never even be able to think of him without being disgusted. I hate to use this, but she is in fact older and she should’ve made her boundaries known and maybe even block him since it was an online friendship (ik sometimes it’s hard to know if you’re being manipulated/abused BUT I think this would make anyone want to cut that person off). She saw him develop that codependent toxic friendship, but instead of saying something to her then partner (if she did, that partner would’ve probably told her to stop talking to him), she leaned into the obsessed 18 year old and they both turned toxic. I obviously have no way of knowing but I’m wondering if she, too, turned obsessed/possessive towards him or was it just him. I’m not a fan of how people think one is horrible while the other is innocent. Both seem pretty bad and toxic to one another, and they should’ve ended their friendship long ago. I also don’t like how she went back to him and didn’t like when he ignored her when she said she didn’t want to be friends anymore, that part confused me. Oh and one thing that actually pissed off was how she publicized his abuse and who/what that abuse(r) was, it wasn’t her trauma to say at all. Him being abused doesn’t accuse what he did, so her bringing that up was very unnecessary imo. Sorry for ranting, but seeing how you have an experience with a “friendship” like that, I hope you can give me your perspective and correct me. Sorry if I came across as rude/uneducated
@Meimoons
@Meimoons 5 ай бұрын
I think she reacted with a “tend and befriend” response when he crossed a line and she didn’t know how to react.
@yugoify
@yugoify 5 ай бұрын
@@maryam-nusa my ex friend and i had been friends since 4th grade and we had been acquainted in 3rd grade and we became closer due to our mutual friends. i didnt want to break off because we had been friends for a while and made memories with eachother. we were also still friends with the same people so if i did break off it wouldve been awkward. she made me do stuff that i wasnt allowed to and i did it because i liked her and wanted to still be her friend. and yeah both of them are far from innocent but there is going to be the one person who started it. for me i believed that i wasnt in the wrong but looking back i did whatever she wanted and basically let her know that what she was doing to me was okay which it was def not. shes friends with horrible people now.
@tartyjuice
@tartyjuice 4 ай бұрын
@@maryam-nusa (TW: opinion)this was so well said. people are so blinded by her opinion and own issues that they're not seeing that she's a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. the fact that she still stayed after ALL OF THIS is by then her own doing. I'm not justifying what Luca did either, but clearly they are incompatible as friends and never will be anything more than that. as for the original commenter (yugoify) you were literally a kid when that all happened, raziel is a grown woman and you were a minor who could easily be influenced. that comparison doesn't make any sense at all. You were not developed enough to realize the issue. take it from me, I got rid of 2 long year friendships of mine and I'm still a minor myself, near adult years but still young enough to know my own self worth. and I understand people have different tolerances to mental abuse but trust me when I say despite everything I've been through as a person it was hard for me too but I still managed. She had so many chances, AS AN ADDULLTTT may I add, talking to Luca when he was still young himself may I add again, to find an opening to escape. especially when he offered. long story short they were never meant to be friends. period. both of them are in the wrong here, even if raziel was a victim she shouldn't have stooped this low because clearly it was her who was also emotionally attached.
@titandarknight2698
@titandarknight2698 3 ай бұрын
@@tartyjuice With every offense. Majority of abuse victims keep coming back before they finally leave. Adults can be manipulated just like minors.
@chirukafe_gms
@chirukafe_gms 7 ай бұрын
yknow funny enough I expected a drama like this to eventually happen given I used to play vrchat back in 2016 and vrchat dramas happened so commonly especially with KZbinrs given that vr really blurs the lines and filters peoole usually put on when making content. When vtubing became popular in my head i was thinking itd only be a matter before they swap over to vrchat and then the chaos would ensue. Boy was i right lol this is like deja vu but its funnier that it happened to nijisanji considering their current track record of shit happening 😭
@N4g4r1d3r
@N4g4r1d3r 7 ай бұрын
The revolutionary Luxiem Wave consisting of 1. Shu Yamino 2. Ike Eveland (who does everything aslong as he can stay close to his japanese Oshis) 3. Dox (there is no favoritism in Nijisanji EN) Akuma 4. The guy that took his lore too literaly and 5. The one who got away / the smartest of them all
@tonythong5352
@tonythong5352 7 ай бұрын
Man, at this point, I dread that we might get some Shu scandal soon.
@N4g4r1d3r
@N4g4r1d3r 7 ай бұрын
@tonythong5352 Well, if that happens NijiEN might be over altogether. The Selen drama hit them hard and since it's mainly the english talents who cause Nijisanji problems it would be wisest to shut that part down entirely.
@sa1adforyou
@sa1adforyou 7 ай бұрын
I was crying when Mysta left nijisanji but now I’m so glad he did
@zharapaigegeroncamaw3411
@zharapaigegeroncamaw3411 7 ай бұрын
dox akuma goodnighttt 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
@khaorlette3532
@khaorlette3532 7 ай бұрын
Pls not Shu ;-;
@Mooshimooshiru
@Mooshimooshiru 7 ай бұрын
This is literally 37 minutes of comedy and stupidity, hell the whole document feels like a fever dream 💀💀💀💀
@dsuffers3032
@dsuffers3032 7 ай бұрын
Favoritism in Nijisanji benefiting Luca? POG!!!
@TaranAlvein
@TaranAlvein 25 күн бұрын
35:50 - Victim-blaming someone in an abusive relationship? Classy.
@Eis_
@Eis_ 7 ай бұрын
Raziel was literally playing Needy Streamer Overload, IRL. Lmao.
@zzzzz-em2jp
@zzzzz-em2jp 7 ай бұрын
the more you think about it, nijisanji office is real life The Boys parody
@wabsibabsi
@wabsibabsi 6 ай бұрын
35:55 I was in a toxic friendship, always with unaliving thought, etc. and it’s really not easy to just go. She was, sad to say, completely gone and obsessed. I was in a toxic friendship for almost 10 years, leaving is not just a quick thing to do and can cause a great danger to one mental health
@artistotaku8344
@artistotaku8344 7 ай бұрын
Ngl, I’m only halfway through the video and I have to ask if this guy knows how abusive relationships work? He just keeps talking about Raz as if she could’ve easily left Luca. The victim blaming isn’t cool, abuse works because the abuser is able to isolate their victim and make them think they only have their abuser to rely on. They make use of how much of a nice person their victim is to guilt trip them ect. to make the, stay with them for as long as possible.
@sweetpea11
@sweetpea11 7 ай бұрын
dude he was 18 she was 24. He might have even been younger when they met. She had a boyfriend, so why was she in a dating RP server in the first place? It just doesn’t make sense. Why did she stay? He was a friend and she had no real reason to be hanging out with him like that and helping him like that. It’s not like they knew each other in irl or she couldn’t make other friends or anything.
@Kiasae
@Kiasae 7 ай бұрын
@@sweetpea11jesus, reread the original comment again. she felt extremely bad for her friend, she is very empathetic. and at a point when shit got bad she has already been too attached and she didn’t wanna leave him in a difficult situation. Age doesn’t really matter here. You can be manipulated at any age and you can be a manipulator at any age.
@kreizix
@kreizix 7 ай бұрын
Him laughing throughout the entire video really rubs me the wrong way
@swllzllck133
@swllzllck133 7 ай бұрын
​@Kiasae i really don't feel bad for either party considering that lady is still fucking weird for grooming and he's just as weird too
@dumbledorf5029
@dumbledorf5029 7 ай бұрын
I had to pause every few minutes, I love the video.. it's just Lucas's actions 😭 It's making me guffaw and cry at the same time. Raziel's like a Momager 😭
@AlbiniaYT
@AlbiniaYT 4 ай бұрын
34:22 dude shut up with the "she still stayed" omg do you hear yourself
@Pixy_lee
@Pixy_lee 4 ай бұрын
But isn't he right? She had a lot of chances to go but she didn't.
@lovenothate4489
@lovenothate4489 4 ай бұрын
​@@Pixy_lee You clearly never been in an abuse relationship before. Don't get me wrong I'm happy when people don't have to go trough it, because it's awful. But please don't comment on something you don't understand or been thought. Abusers, regardless of age, have a way of making you stay in the relationship even when it's bad for you. Also so we are clear, there is no such thing as a perfect victim. That does not change the fact that what the victim experienced was abuse.
@Pixy_lee
@Pixy_lee 4 ай бұрын
@@lovenothate4489 I was surprisingly in an abusive relationship. But I noticed and distance myself from that person. But I guess it is true that they can manipulate you into staying on their side.
@the8bitclicker_193
@the8bitclicker_193 7 ай бұрын
The one thing I didn't like about this whole thing is how Mujin kept saying the fact that Raziel could have left at any time. She quite literally can't. She's not you. You didn't see and feel what she had. You simply cannot use reason against emotional actions because that's trying to solve irrationality with logic. It cannot work. You can give a reason as to why, but you can't reason why they should've. Now, I'm not saying she shouldn't have left, but it irks me when people say that kind of thing. You don't know what people go through until you experience it yourself. You don't simply read a person's biography and say "He/She should've done this." There's a context for everything, and people are dismissing it in favor of seeing what they only see. Because whether they're bad or not, no one sees what it's like to be that other person. Sorry Mujin, I like you but this is one of those times where I say "nah this ain't it bruh" Source: look at every other abusive relationships: SkyDoesMinecraft, MikoNeko, VenusianRapper, etc.
@neff6185
@neff6185 7 ай бұрын
Exactly, it doesn’t matter what you would have done or how you would have felt, the whole point is that everyone reacts differently, feels guilt/pressure differently and that’s why abusive people pick and choose their victims. If you were someone who could just up and leave, kept your friends, didn’t cave to ridiculous demands and guilt tripping they wouldn’t choose you. Saying “so and so could have done this” just doesn’t take into account the thousands of aspects affecting the situation that you can’t possibly know or comprehend. No one will ever truly know what it was like how much they break it down, that’s why you can empathise instead of throwing around should’ve could’ve would’ve scenarios, it’s pointless and feels insulting.
@changlislover
@changlislover 7 ай бұрын
this
@mikuenjoyerXD
@mikuenjoyerXD 7 ай бұрын
It felt mean spirited
@titheproven954
@titheproven954 7 ай бұрын
She quite literally could. Weather she WOULD is different. Keep in mind she is an adult and he was 18 when they met in a "dating" RP chat. That alone would make most adults go "nope" the whole thing is sus from the start for BOTH of them. Seems more like two messed up people finding each other and being messed up together.
@Yuki_Ika7
@Yuki_Ika7 7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@everfluctuating
@everfluctuating 7 ай бұрын
poor raziel. he had her wrapped around his finger, exploiting her kind nature. ETA: codependency is one hell of a drug
@yikessssz
@yikessssz 2 ай бұрын
I’d suggest diving into some more info before assuming. There are twitter accounts of raziel getting exposed
@STAAAAAAAAAAAARRRS
@STAAAAAAAAAAAARRRS 7 ай бұрын
I feel bad for Shu and Ike. Ike clearly wasn't comfortable doing the black 15 minute stream and sounded like he'd just cried (even said the stream was a bad idea if I recall) and Shu's just there trying to be his old self and translate for the corps (even if bad) from English to Japanese and vice versa. I just hope they know where they stand and manage to keep and open mind despite being in the favoured wave, though I think these two can, but still I hope they stay safe.
@damb1858
@damb1858 7 ай бұрын
What a time to drop this bombshell. No matter the occasion, every kind of truth is warranted to be put out. In the words of hex, the truth certainly did set something free that day in VRChat 🗿
@galileodirectio
@galileodirectio 7 ай бұрын
Note, truma dumping doesnt immidiately means someone is trying to manipulate. Sometimes they might just take time to feel comfertable to sudenly open up about stuff. Or maybe they just communicate like this. Dont immidiately assume that this means something bad. I know a bunch of ny autistic folks usually opporate like this and we aint tryna manipulate shit we just tryna talk. 8:52 was very uncalled for in that regard. Uncool. :
@LemonSherbetCandy
@LemonSherbetCandy 7 ай бұрын
When I clicked this, I didn't expect this to be about people I knew. Met Java back on VRchat. I left VRC after a while so lost contact with him. Those two definitely had chemistry back in Gator days. Didn't realise the stuff about his family was manipulating...
@TGoO14
@TGoO14 7 ай бұрын
First time ever a drama video has had my sides in stitches, this was a downwards rollercoasted the entire time and I live for it.
@Nihility417
@Nihility417 7 ай бұрын
I'm actually so disgusted that this whole time I thought his just a pretty chill guy. I'm not a hardcore vtuber fan but I do watch some clips of other vtubers and just thinking about Luca being in my youtube "liked videos" disgusts me immensely.
@oharas39
@oharas39 7 ай бұрын
i appreciate this video as someone who's only really heard of these people in passing for providing just the right amount of context & detail to follow along. still, the way you talk about abuse is extremely callous and frankly disturbing. 'who knows, they're both mentally unwell' is an embarrassingly stupid takeaway - of course she was mentally unwell, she was being abused! the thing that often causes mental illness! HUH?!?! a good rule of thumb is to evaluate abuse not based on who's acting weirder, but on tangible harm done to each other. luca has cost this girl her privacy, her health, her job (multiple times!), potentially her relationship, and her right to human decency, apparently, if you're comfortable making funny stock photo edits of an experience that almost cost her her life. alternatively, she has cost luca nothing, and instead gave him her utmost support however she could - up to and including doing his damn job. if only for your own safety, please reevaluate how you think of these things, because they DO happen to normal people and if we act like they don't, then we will be next.
@nono-ke2kg
@nono-ke2kg 7 ай бұрын
It's one thing to not know about intricate dynamics of abusive relationships but by god the amount of times you're perpetrating someone that is clearly not mentally well - ESPECIALLY after getting confirmation that Raziel's mental health has been declining - as simply 'unwilling' to leave and victimblaming while making fun of it is insane. I wish you nothing but success though if you continue being insensitive you'll sooner than later end up on a video like this
@NekoLuna-je1sv
@NekoLuna-je1sv 7 ай бұрын
This.
@lilo-y-stitch3460
@lilo-y-stitch3460 4 ай бұрын
I know she shouldve left, but thats difficult for people in abisive relationships. So while I agree they should do whats best for them and leave the situation, we should also be more understanding when they have a hard time coming to that conclusion for themselves, then actively leaving thier abuser
@createmakedo2492
@createmakedo2492 7 ай бұрын
You make good points however two things - first, lots of women call their friends “love” and “baby”, it’s not that uncommon even in platonic relationships. Also manipulative people manipulate you into staying, that’s sort of the point of the manipulation. Being shocked that she stayed is missing the point.
@iamphoenixfire
@iamphoenixfire 7 ай бұрын
I’m not Raziel, obviously. But I was the Raziel in a relationship. That man went on to SA me and completely destroy my mind. She stayed because she felt like she had to. She probably does know it was wrong, which is why she wrote what she did. But you laughing doesn’t help her, either.
@sadlysleepy5592
@sadlysleepy5592 7 ай бұрын
You can't really expect everyone to have empathy in these situations, especially during an outsider perspective where when you read it out-loud it's really hard to wrap your head around it.
@iamphoenixfire
@iamphoenixfire 7 ай бұрын
@@sadlysleepy5592 I can, actually.
@sadlysleepy5592
@sadlysleepy5592 7 ай бұрын
@@iamphoenixfire Then you have too much expectation for the human race, merely bringing yourself up for failure.
@iamphoenixfire
@iamphoenixfire 7 ай бұрын
@@sadlysleepy5592 I think having empathy for abuse victims (which I believe raziel to be) is the bare minimum, actually. She’s not perfect. She fucked up. A lot. I’m not even saying she looks good here. She doesn’t! For a lot of it!
@Lotan_
@Lotan_ 7 ай бұрын
@@sadlysleepy5592 Alternatively, if someone is unable to approach sensitive and difficult topics without a clinical, controlled attitude, maybe they shouldn't be getting involved? Empathy is not required for that, and it's not difficult to reign in personal emotional tics or habits with a bit of practice. On top of that, just some food for thought, but at some point it might be worth considering whether or not turning people's troubled experiences into "entertaining content" is setting a good precedent.
@natalietanzil9681
@natalietanzil9681 7 ай бұрын
Look, I'm not the type to usually comment on videos, your videos are usually pretty informative and I find them fun to watch. But, making jokes about Raziel getting cancer because of Luca or making light of the fact that she wanted to end herself is not cool and I find it odd that you could say these things almost like you found it funny/amusing.
@alzhanvoid
@alzhanvoid 7 ай бұрын
I think I'd be more accurate to say he found it ridiculous. You know when a situation is so tremendously ridiculous you just can't even take it seriously anymore? Like it's some sort of comedic parody of a real event? I can 100% guarantee you Mujin reached a point where while he believed what was going on, he couldn't take her problems seriously anymore the longer she went without leaving. Not that it excuses him laughing, but now you know why the laughter.
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135 2 ай бұрын
@@alzhanvoid fr no cap
@Servalsno1fan
@Servalsno1fan 7 ай бұрын
Whole thing went from funny to disgusting to funny again then immediately disgusting again, i was left speechless after the video 💀
@seafoodjapchae
@seafoodjapchae 5 ай бұрын
Same fr
@analyticaltomato
@analyticaltomato 7 ай бұрын
No offense, but it’s actually very hard to leave a toxic relationship, even when the signs are all right there for people not involved in it, when you’re actually part of the relationship and you’ve been conditioned to think a certain way, your brain will latch itself to any and all excuses to keep being in it. Yeah, they both have issues, yeah, they need professional help, but let’s not be TOO neutral on the situation. Luca is in the wrong, period, if the alleged toxic friendship is true (I can buy it being just a friendship. I call my friends “baby” and “love” ironically, and toxic friendships are actually harder to spot than toxic relationships from my experience, because there’s the expectation that best friends also treat each other like crap). I do not hope for anyone to ever have this kind of relationship in their life. It sucks. It also sucks when you finally manage to live and the response is “well you should have left earlier” THAT’S WHAT MANIPULATION DOES TO YOU!
@aaronandressen8062
@aaronandressen8062 4 ай бұрын
You mentioned several times that Raziel had abused luca as well (or you said something to that effect). However, watching the video, it seems like Luca just absolutely abused the hell out of Raziel one-sidedly. Am I wrong with what I interpreted or did I miss something?
@lorcanzo2498
@lorcanzo2498 3 ай бұрын
This was just talking about Luca and the document
@rei_queenkimochii
@rei_queenkimochii 3 ай бұрын
I think you might be misinterpreting a QRT / general tweet about the document where someone else said that they abused each other that was mentioned at the start of the video. Mujin doesn’t claim that himself.
@xxlora
@xxlora 7 ай бұрын
yk its a good day when you dont have to go to school and then mujin uploads
@headshotgamer677
@headshotgamer677 7 ай бұрын
Yaay same bro 🗿👍
@downtownrats-ov1rx
@downtownrats-ov1rx 7 ай бұрын
love your videos but constantly talking about how "she shouldve left" got a bit uncomfortable ngl. i was in a similar situation once, its really hard to leave when people pin it so that everything seems to be your fault. great coverage of this situation outside of that though, Aster catching a stray near the end was pretty funny
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