This Was HILARIOUS! || DOPED Marco Pantani FLEW in TT to Won Giro D'Italia!

Marco Pantani as he is known to his fans Il Pirata is one of the most controversial cyclists in history. He used epic doping methods to win 1998 Tour de France and been the crush of the people with a legendary performance in 1998 Giro d'Italia Time trial in Lugano. This is the story of the super climber Marco Pantani Early Days. Want to know what happened? We'll know more cycling tops, from road cycling news, cycling stories, British cycling, road cycling and More road cycling transfer news today on Cycling StorieS #Cycling, #Sports, #Doping

[@cyclingstories]

RIP Pantani

[@josemontano7767]

RIP Pantani I really enjoyed watching him race.

[@definitelymaybe1282]

Pirata, last legend. ♥️

[@carlbruhn1772]

Always loved watching this man. Heartbreaking ending.

[@curtisducati]

There saying now he was murdered in his hotel room , the dealer that sold him the drugs has come forward and admitted he knows Marco was murdered ....

[@RatIceCream]

@@curtisducati Wasn’t he doing cocaine though? That’s deadly

[@gregoryrowlerson8457]

Love the intros: "Well, without further ado, let the show begin."

[@MitchVanVit]

I say that every morning waking up now ! (with the irish accent)

[@pacotosto1293]

You should know that the last TT of a grand tour isn't the same as the ones in the first 10 days. It's all about how you arrive at the third week. It's seen 8n every single Giro or Tour. Even Chiappucci was capable to lose only a couple of minutes from Indurain in the last TT when he could lose 5 in the first one... You just love to title your videos 'DOPED' without really analysing cycling.

[@cyclingstories]

Yes. Pondenzana and Velo arrived very well. Tonkov, who won 2 days after and been second one day earlier arrived very bad. That's a very good analysis. Pantani was doped. That's not good or bad. It's reallity. Chiapucci in 92 were passed by Indurain in Milano the last day.

[@twright1983]

@@cyclingstories at least these days they have realised that 50k + individual time trials aren’t the way forward

[@pacotosto1293]

Tonkov arrived second in Montecampione destroyed by Pantani. If there were 2 more kms he would have lost 5 minutes. A question for you, Was Tonkov doped? If so, why don't you make videos on less known doped cyclists as we all know that everyone was doped back then? As said Chiappucci used to lose much more time in the first TT. He's only an example. In the most clean TdF of the history, 1998, and it's not sarcasm, Pantani only lost just over 2 minutes in the last TT comparing to the 5 minutes in the second TT and arriving 3rd last in the prologue.

[@twright1983]

@@pacotosto1293 he couldn’t be arsed in that opening tour prologue though to be fair , he should never have lost that amount It’s only in the mountains he later truly believed he could win

[@cyclingstories]

Pacotosto We made a lot of vids of a lot of cyclists less known than Pantani. Please, we made a vid of an argentinian guy last week! In the 98 TT of Tdf (2 months post this one) only 91 participants rode. One of them, in the Top 10... the amazing Forconi!

[@Tazangamoz]

Pantani one of my favorite cyclist of all time. They don't make them like they use to. 💯🚴🏻

[@Tazangamoz]

@RealSweetKid lol yes. Even though they're juiced today, they're scared to attack. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158]

They did make them like they used to...well...Italian Doctors did....

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

If you want to know how cyclists are "made", ask their parents.

[@MitchVanVit]

@@einundsiebenziger5488 their parents all eat pigeon cakes @Tazanga did you see Pog' & Ving' ? They attack, even on flats, and wait for Remco!

[@TheHaining]

Still waiting for the videos on Kelly and Roche, mate.

[@paddyotoole2058]

The one he did on Chris Froome is pretty good. Have you watched it?

[@laurenceraygatchalian6108]

Pantani's bald head is more aero than teardrop shape helmets.

[@ChrisTaylor-Guitar]

But his ears cost him at least 10W

[@JesseMgala]

@@ChrisTaylor-Guitar They didn't call him Elepantino for nothing.

[@ratobrasileiro]

The point is old dopers were funnier than today ones. Pantani would kik in the has Hindley a lot of times

[@jerrychicken967]

Heras done the same in a Vuelta. He could never really TT but then on his Vuelta win, he became a TT expert.

[@cyclingstories]

Not in Nozal's one haha...

[@CrapKerouac]

I was so naive as a kid, I really believed these men were superhuman. After Armstrong was exposed/confessed, I was heartbroken and stopped watching cycling completely. I enjoy the videos though, and your dry sense of humour, thanks.

[@rushvelo8145]

They still were superhuman doping in a general sense gave consistency all these pro riders hard to say but Lance might nit have won 7 titles but he still would of won some titles

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@rushvelo8145 it could just mean he has the best doctors and also is a high responder ... it doesn't mean he's the best rider. All conjectures.

[@jasonstevenson110]

We all knew and accepted they were all on EPO. That is just how it was back then. The point is everyone Marco Pantani beat who was racing for GC was also on EPO.

[@jasonstevenson110]

@@rushvelo8145 Lance was a superior responder to EPO and blood doping and no chance he would win any titles without it. He was good but not great without blood doping.

[@treygray2817]

@@rushvelo8145 Lance could have never won a GT in a clean playing field. Major one-day races, maybe.

[@philipbrowne7620]

Pretty much an awful lot doped, buddy!! Always did from the early days too. That’d make another great video. The early days - carrying their own spare tyres, no support, longer routes, heavier bikes, no gears, bottles of wine necked at cafés plus multiple espressos and lines of coke setup en route…. Love the style of commentary, by the way 👍

[@MitchVanVit]

oh yes, lines of coke from early days forçats, I'd like to see! But less cellphones back then, search from sketch artists maybe!

[@blindspotclinic]

What a Giro that was!!

[@lfk53]

Il pirata❤❤❤

[@samuele8361]

At the time everyone was using epo, there was no way to finish in the top 30 without heavy usage of gear. There was no test for epo so everyone could use it as much as they want to, Pantani wasn't certainly the only one

[@drunkensailor112]

Pantani was never caught on epo.

[@treygray2817]

@@drunkensailor112 He tested positive retroactively.

[@drunkensailor112]

@@treygray2817 no

[@treygray2817]

@@drunkensailor112 "PARIS (AP) - A French inquiry into sports doping has uncovered proof that 1998 Tour de France champion Marco Pantani and runner-up Jan Ullrich used a banned blood booster to fuel their performances. France's senate, after a five-month investigation focused on fighting sports doping, released a report Wednesday that confirms what many riders have long said: use of the banned substance EPO was rife in cycling in the late 1990s, before a test for the drug had been developed."

[@drunkensailor112]

@@treygray2817 but where is the proof? No blood samples

[@tunaficiency]

Got to pick up and see pantani’s bike in a bike shop a thing of beauty

[@filippoarenzano]

Best climber of all times

[@gregoryrowlerson8457]

"A few seconds that today would mean gold to Hindley, Landa or Carapaz; but in 1998 were an absolute pittance." 😅

[@simonknowles4267]

I don’t really understand this statement

[@cyclingstories]

In 1998, 13 seconds were nothing. In a crazy attack of Pantani in Marmolada, Zulle loses 5 minutes. In 2022, Carapaz sprint in a flat stage for 3 seconds of bonus because if Hindley didn't attack him in the last climb, they would fight for maglia rossa in the last TT. 13 seconds are like the Gollum ring in actual cycling.

[@iltroymaciste8868]

Camorra decided to destroy him

[@wilsonandaready9260]

IL migliore

[@blackbird2469]

Without injuries and having the possibility of competing without interruption Pantani would have been by far the greatest in history. Doping environment has strongly disdvantaged him.

[@gaylordtv561]

without his lack off will power ukrich would have been the greatesg ever bla bla bla if if if never happebded

[@treygray2817]

Pantani was a superb responder. Doping likely advantaged him.

[@blackbird2469]

@@treygray2817 imho doping was everywhere. He didnt get more. But there are really no proofs. Champions of that decade were really facing hard decisions

[@treygray2817]

@@blackbird2469 He had a low natural hematocrit (although higher than Armstrong). That indicates he would have been at a disadvantage without oxygen vector doping.

[@blackbird2469]

@@treygray2817 Actually I follow cycling since the 80s. Hematocrit sinks naturally during a 3 week competition. OFC EPO has changed all. In the early eighties was normal that each champion had a terrible day during a great tour. When I assess the champions I look more at their results during amateur phase when they were below 18 years old. Pantani and Lemond were the two that most impressed me. As I said: just an opinion/impression. There are sonme champions who couldn't get a career just because they refused to use EPO. The one I expected to be great was Delion: he disappeared. Naturally made for classic and stages in a grand tour.

[@trnaughton]

Putting aside the debate whether Pantani was clean or not, people on the comments clearly have never heard of Bartali, Gaul, Bahamontes, Van Impe when they declare him “clearly the best climber” Personally I’d go with Coppi or Gaul

[@DAILARNER]

There is no debate - he was a confirmed doper

[@nevalelapena]

I live on the mountain where Gaul win completely frozen.. the monte Bondone, every year there is an amateur revival race, called legendary Charlie Gaul, from Trento to Viotte... Real legend

[@leonardofabbri7930]

@@DAILARNER as largely anyone else at that level since ancient Greece sports' competitions. Coppi took "la bomba" like Bartali used to say

[@gilean6179]

Lemond.

[@jds6206]

I remember this well. "The EPO Era".....not "the doping era" because THAT stretches back .....how far back shall we go? ....and extends beyond 2022, into the future. Equally suspicious at the time were Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen who, now, looking back, and with their access / insight to the sport...could only have known what was going on.

[@flachi32]

Indeed.. and if you watch GCN infected Eurosport it's as if doping never existed.

[@kalinmir]

@@flachi32 wdym "GCN infected Eurosport"?

[@flachi32]

@@kalinmir yes GCN sponsor cycling on eurosport and many GCN woke commentators have become pundits. Hope they go away soon.

[@kalinmir]

@@flachi32 never really noticed any unusal wokeness from gcn

[@flachi32]

@@kalinmir you will

[@EMC2Scotia]

The one thing that seems to separate Marco from his peers of the time is that doping/having to dope, actually was a problem of conscience for him (Tyler Hamilton being one exception). That which ultimately killed him as, as the existence of this channel proves, there is no escaping doing this once it's done. This particular stigma does not beget forgiveness.

[@treygray2817]

All evidence points to Pantani being unrepentant.

[@EMC2Scotia]

@@treygray2817 except for the fact he was never the same after Madonna di Campiglio. Many others failed such tests, and suffered no consequence (Gontchar for example only a couple of weeks later, Simoni the year before, Garzelli in '02 with his Probenicid incident etc. etc.).

[@jasonstevenson110]

The 2022 Giro which you claim was so boring was simply the result of three evenly matched riders and their strong teams. But on Marco, if anyone has any evidence any GC contender in that era (pre EPO test) wasn't using EPO I'd be happy to know. RIP Marco, greatest climber in the history of cycling EPO or not and wasn't an arrogant bully like someone else. Plus his 1998 TdF TT win was better.

[@cyclingstories]

He didn't win any tt in 98 tdf

[@jasonstevenson110]

@@cyclingstories Sorry I should not have said 1998 TdF "win". I meant TDF win (GC). But what I mean is TdF is a much higher level than the Giro. Marco's ride in the 1998 TdF stage 20 TT was far stronger than this Giro win. Jan Ullrich was the strongest TT rider then. Pavel Tonkov, Guerini? LOL.

[@cdcaterham]

They all seem like robots these days. At least back in the day there were characters like Pantani who made it jnteresting. Same with F1.... all humourless and boring post Senna. I am nostalgic!

[@BFG_29]

Pantani is a Legend like Coppi and Bartali.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Far less than both of them. Not only because he had a lot fewer wins but also he was so much less of a gentleman off the bike.

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

I want to remind to the guys listening that when our "Cycling Stories" says that Pantani entered the last stage (tt) with only 1min 28secs advantage (or something similar) against Tonkov, we are speaking about a 34km tt, and not the 65km we got used with Miguelon! And It was a bit hilly, even if It was far from being called "una cronoscalata", or a climbing tt

[@cyclingstories]

Yes. 7 days before a 40 km tt also "not flat" in Trieste.

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories anyway the worst thing that could happen to Cycling Is that we Say: ok they all doped, so there were no Champions, no good riders, no good domestiques, and we have to forget all that shit. No, it's not like that, the point Is that It was and It Is much more difficult to realize Who Is who.

[@RB-xv4si]

@@leonardobaracchi7040 not really. The fast guys dope and the slow guys don’t dope.

[@poly_hexamethyl]

I love the amused, slightly cynical sounding narration almost as much as the story itself.

[@znalniaskas]

Pantani was just the perfect storm when it came to PED use, being a great responder and talent climbing wise. Otherwise you can't explain some of his crazy climbing times.

[@tonypaella]

I've read numerous times that even as an amateur he was destroying people on climbs. I know that at some level even the amateurs dope, but it seems he would always be the best or one of the best climbers among bis contemporaries.

[@drunkensailor112]

@@tonypaella you can find on KZbin 17 year old Pantani destroying professionals in the mountains. That was in 87. Nobody even had epo in 87

[@tonypaella]

@@drunkensailor112 thank you. Proves my point

[@drunkensailor112]

@@tonypaella yes. It's sad how some riders legacies hav been ruined because they rode in the epo era. Pantani was the biggest ever cycling talent I saw. After that came rujano, who was unfortunately unmotivated after he made a lot of money

[@ascensoycaida3792]

All people love this yunki. That's cycling my friends

[@beniaminosani2719]

Love your videos. Great work

[@gsipp00]

Ok I guess no Video coming about 2022 Giro?

[@cyclingstories]

Maybe at the end of the year. It was sooo boring

[@titounoundici7920]

In a bunch of a hundred riders or two , where each and everyone is doped, even a donkey sees that competition will be taken with the same amount of strenght for all.

[@jeffreyreeves9113]

"IL ELEFANTINI" high level reference to his feud with Lance Armstrong.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

... elefantino* ...

[@facediaper09]

Pantani is Julian Alaphilipe's doppelganger.

[@Mosely2007]

Loved his disdain of Lance. One of the few . Gassed up he could climb . Time trials didn't suit Marco

[@sandrozenti7186]

Pantani un grande campione nonostante il doping, in salita non aveva rivali nel suo periodo d'oro. E poi chiaramente non era l'unico dopato in gruppo, purtroppo ha corso in una generazione rovinata dal doping.

[@permagnestenseng5923]

It used to be a lot of cyckling in the world of heavy drug abusers ......

[@PipaOpDeHippa]

You love to spell doped on capslock

[@JK-zx3go]

Off his chump on the ching but what a rider.

[@TwoWheelWarrior]

Way to go buddy!

[@AbruzzoRockers77]

Vergogna Marco non si tocca

[@cyclingstories]

But in 2000-2003 yes. Hipocresía.

[@erminiopreziosi1967]

Doping Pantani era dopato!

[@BFG_29]

@@cyclingstories You can't ignore the fact that the whole peloton was doping back in the 90's and,still,Pantani was the best by a mile..Il Pirata vive!

[@cyclingstories]

That's a typical analyisis of Black and Whites. Maybe a lot or everyone were doped. But not everyone in the same way or with the same methods. Money, fame, glory. That's why we love talk about doping too it's another race too. Pantani Giro 99 was possibly best rider of the last 30 years until the arrive of Pogacar.

[@BFG_29]

@@cyclingstoriesAll GC contenders over the 90's were doped. Berzin,Tonkov,Gotti,Simoni,Ullrich,Zulle,Virenque,Riis and the biggest cheater in cycling history aka Lance Armstrong were all doped with EPO.

[@davidlard8490]

Everybody "doped" you dope !

[@gsipp00]

Kind of Associate ESTA THE drink with doping

[@jessereyna6662]

I know he doped but I don’t care. When I saw Pantani attack it was so much fun. RIP

[@klaatii]

sure you don't care. It is of course important that you felt a little entertained, so his short life was worth it...! Gosh how i hate those comments

[@drunkensailor112]

@@klaatii his short life had nothing to do with doping

[@leonardofabbri7930]

​@@drunkensailor112 it's actually an indirect consequence

[@johnd1466]

Mr Magoo 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mikestunt77]

You simply know nothing of cyclism, pantani has always been good on time trials (for a short light man of course), expecially the ones at the end of a grand tour. During 94 in both giro and tour he was among the first 5 at the last long tt. You desperately look for scandal without knowing anything of the sport. During late 90's all cyclists were doped with epo, it's not a secret, just check the performance they had on famous climbs, some records, like the alpe d'huez climb are still unbeaten after 25 yrs .

[@alpha8438]

Nice cherry picking of a mountain timetrial at the end of the tour, which involves no timetrialing skills at all but rather climbing and recovery. Why don’t you mention the first TT of this tour ? Oh yeah, a flat 64km TT in which Pantani lost 11 minutes to Indurain. Now shut up

[@flachi32]

No one has to look desperately for scandal in this era. The whole era was scandal. I don't get your point.

[@mikestunt77]

@@alpha8438 As I said before, you guys know nothing, just take the 55 flat tt of 98 tour, pantani was third and he had nothing ot prove, it's you who cherry picked one of the few tt in which he wasn't good. Just change sport, soccer is a better choice for people like you.

[@mikestunt77]

@@flachi32 Yes you are absolutely right, everyone was doped during those years, like I've stated in my comment, so what's the sense of inventing that stupid story of pantani taking stuff just before the 98tt of giro?

[@NightShooter87]

@@mikestunt77 There is no such thing as soccer, it's football. Being angry at everyone that is critical against your hero, who was a very flawed individual, not only as a cyclist but as a man to, is not really sensible. These people don't care about you or me, they are there for themselves.

[@buddhaboy-]

Was not a fan of pantani per se although I still own 3 bianchi’s of the era… reparto corsa…

[@Mr_KILL995]

how cares about doping everbody was watching him his atackes his personality his looks everbody miss him

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

0:58 - another silly downhill position, and one the UCI didn't even bother to ban, since most riders themselves knew it is dangerous and inefficient. Nice history lesson with lots of dry humor. On an editorial note: While "mercatone" means "market" in Italian, it's still pronounced "mer-ca-toh-ne", not "market-oh-ne", and "GL" in Italian works like "LY" in English, so it's "mah-lyah rosa", not "mag-lee-ah rosa".

[@alessandromurtas1074]

that's not a silly position, that's the most aerodynamic position you can have on a descent. if you don't know what you're talking about then shut up

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@alessandromurtas1074 no need for insults. I used that position myself quite frequently. It is not inefficient in the purely aerodynamic sense, but it is uncomfortable because you put a lot of stress on your back, glutes an rear thigh muscles. You also cannot pedal along and therefore have to give up the position in corners to lift the inside pedal and it makes the bike hard to maneuver, since your arms are all stretched out. The latter two are why that position is so dangerous. After a near-crash I gave up using it, and most pros obviously for the very same reasons.

[@ashleyhutchison3736]

'Most boring Giro in history in 2022' lol. I'm afraid the 2012 Giro has called and asked for its it's title back! Although yes, this year's Giro was very boring.

[@twright1983]

2019 giro was not only the most boring giro in history but most boring grand tour in history

[@aoganlynch]

Are ye having a laugh? '22 giro had me on the edge of my seat from start to finish!! Most entertaining racing I've ever watched.

[@freedomisslavery6840]

@@aoganlynch lol delusion

[@РуменДоспатлиев]

2022 Giro was an absolute joke. Low level and zero entertainment.

[@sebastianlauri9622]

2020 much?

[@Eb-mq5gw]

Rinse your mouth with bleech before you talk about Pantani. A natural climber that was beating everyone on climbs since he was 8 years of age. The best climber cycling ever had and will ever have

[@cyclingstories]

A great climber. Not a great time trialist

[@mdk9495]

With all due respect, it's easy to trash talk a dead man. I've done more than my fair share of reading and investigating to still believe Marco was murdered for not "throwing" the race in '99. As an avid follower of mafia history I can clearly see a mob payback in his death. Marco was made a cycling god by the cycling world, then came the Armstrong era and the forced downfall of a legend who perhaps didn't play according to mob rules . . . If there was any real proof of his doping he'd be stripped of his tour win and most of his KOM records. Most pro cyclists have extraordinary physical attributes, like lung capacity, resting heart rate etc etc. I enjoy these videos, but they nearly always seem to trash talk someone, perhaps try making videos supporting great rides and the riders.

[@cyclingstories]

The analysis of hematocrit in Milan Turin 1995 He appear in Conconi Ferrari papers In the analysis in retrospective of tdf 1998 samples he was positive by epo. It isn't trash. We didn't talk in this vid about crime, just only sport.

[@mdk9495]

@@cyclingstories Thanks for the reply. Pantani's name appearing in some scaly doctors papers to me doesn't prove that he doped, which perhaps he did, but why wasn't he DQ'd and his win and records removed like they did to Lance? I believe that ALL pro sportsman "dope" in some way or another, whether it be by taking epo or salbutamol (which Froome had a doctors prescription for, but perhaps abused a little) because of the amount of money involved. Speaking about Pantani's death one must be open to discuss the theory that he was set-up and then possibly murdered because it would change the whole narrative of being a drug addict who couldn't handle pressure or losing . . .

[@cyclingstories]

Pantani was clearly doped. 3 positives in Tdf 1998, suspended in 2001 and Hearing evidence of relationship with Ufe Fuentes in 2003. Why wasn't Riis, who confessed his own doping removed his titles too? Interests, politics, those kind of things. We suppose Pantani is a myth for italians, and also erase his legacy when he was dead won't help anyone. About criminology, we're not experts yet, but if we knew somebody who can help Cycling Stories team we could talk about that.

[@davidlard8490]

Again, who is this "dope" who shows this fake news on you tube ?

[@drunkensailor112]

What is your point here? Pantani was a great time trialist when motivated. There are countless examples and you come up with this. Doping doesn't make you a strong itt rider. Look at the biggest dopers ever: bruylandts, faustini, gianetti, zaina etc. Etc. All horrible itt riders.

[@cyclingstories]

Yeah, Pondenzana the great ITT rider flying over Tonkov! For some seconds he didn't won Honchar. Disgusting. Pantani wasn't a great time trialist neither, not a garbage rider in the last tt of grand Tours but not as been seconds better than a complete rider like the russian. Team exhibitions are always alarm signs. The Forconi thing mate...

[@drunkensailor112]

@@cyclingstories first of all it's podenzana and not pondenzana and second of all pondenzana was a great time trialist and multiple Italian itt champion, back when Italy ruled every discipline, even before he went to mercatone uno, at brescialat. Again you seem to just make things up as you go along.

[@cgraugaard]

The "S"'s in your videos rips my head off. Unwatchable.. or unlistenable rather. Please consider using a 'de-esser' plugin.

[@valtonpichette562]

We can do better with the grammar on the titles, can't we?

[@axelfoley4645]

Ridicolous is you "cicling story"!

[@cyclingstories]

Please, we need your glasses

[@ProfessorCarlo]

Pantani for ever! I like those who sit on their couch and run their mouth.

[@DAILARNER]

Sadly, drugged himself to death, so not forever

[@ProfessorCarlo]

@@DAILARNER yes, you are absolutely right, he threw himself across his hotel room, breaking every piece of fourniture and his own bones, and finished by drinking liters of cocaine water while his hands fixated behind his back. A clear deliberate suicide. Marvelous detective work, way to go👍🏻

[@DAILARNER]

@@ProfessorCarlo And the moon landings are faked and Trump really won the election. Known doper and cocaine use dies of drugs - Ockham's razor

[@ProfessorCarlo]

@@DAILARNER what does the moon and trump have to do with Pantani?! You need to work on your analysis skills 👍🏻

[@DAILARNER]

@@ProfessorCarlo You need to avoid becoming a conspiracist fantasist. Pantani was a troubled soul, a drug-taker and a cocaine abuser when was thrown out of the sport he loved. RIP

[@Zanhabus147]

Lasciate in pace Pantani! Neanche da morto non ha pace. Ipocriti e prima di tutto tu che metti questi video basati sulle chiacchiere..... Allora i calciatori, i pugili, MMA, Rugby e sml. non si dopano...nooo? Perche' si parla solo di doping nel ciclismo? Perché negli altri sport non c'e'?

[@mojo2679]

Esatto

[@gianlucabriganti2595]

Next time make videos of someone who can asnwer you, and the use of the name of Pantani just to have likes o views is not the most elegant…

[@cyclingstories]

So i can't made vids of Napoleon or Mussolini. Sht.

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

Poor Cycling Storia! He cannot even understand the differenze detween a massive Champion like Pantani and a shit Who was a doping champ like riis

[@cyclingstories]

HAHAHA Why Riis were doped (he was doped, yes) and Pantani not? Please, illustrate us!

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories no, the difference Is the one between a Champion (in his field) and a donkey. The Champion doped massively, but the donkey...well ...he is lucky to be still alive!! And everyone being not completely ignorant about Cycling shoud know that a 53kg guy can be the best climber (of other thing occure togethet) while a 80kg guy cannot be a climber!! Is like seeing a rugby player like Armstrong going faster than the best climbers.... Grotesque!! And then Is sad you attitude of putting everybody on the same level because they all doped.... So there were no Champions for you?!? The point Is that you cannot recognize them for you need to understand the subject to realize Who Is who

[@tommasoboccellari270]

Pantani data: vomax/kg=90; watt/kg=7,5. That is better than Indurain, Froome, ecc Moreover file Dblab by Conconi certifies that Pantani never doped more than any other cyclist.

[@cyclingstories]

More than Kimmage.

[@tommasoboccellari270]

@@cyclingstorieswhich were kimmage's data?

[@twright1983]

I disagree - the most boring giro in history was 2019

[@cyclingstories]

2019 had at least 1 long attack. And the hilarious performance of guys like Pedrero destroying Roglic or Nibali i don't remember in the toughest climbs

[@twright1983]

@@cyclingstories it was a dreadful route and very little action , in fact the giro has been poor since 2018 in my opinion The vuelta has been much better which makes it even more surprising ITV4 dropped their coverage of it

[@cyclingstories]

That's because the participants. RCS will pay a lot to Pogacar next year to save this race. Stars like Sagan or Van der Poel were not the best targets for this.

[@chamaleon1963]

horrible channel.....

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

Another sad thing Is that you quoted Forconi's ematocrit not Just to show he was doped (no connection with Pantani actually) but bacause It was told that Pantani had to go to the doping test and they switched urines with forconi ti make him being caught and not the captain. But you are not brave enough to tell this hypotrtical possibility .... So you want to say but you dont, or Say half... What a dirty way of working for a "journalist" or something like that..!

[@cyclingstories]

No. That's Squinzi/Mapei's theory, not us.

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories so why speaking about forconi?!? Every team had some of the guys on juice (the huge majority) and some not...

[@kenryuwiley6306]

sadly, doping was rampant in the 80s and 90s.... it was a disgrace in cycling....

[@blackdog2994]

and 2000s too

[@paulelephant9521]

@Why Bother Of course he is, you can be sure Mauro Gianetti (Team principal) would never get involved in doping!!!!

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

It s a pity you dont know much about Cycling...! 1) Marco Velo is. a several times Italian tt Champion, and he game so many top exhibitions on tt during his career that i cannot believe you dont know 2) Pantani was full of Epo, but tonkov was as well, and Zulle probably even more, so the point is: in the mountain Pantani should destroy them, being one of the best climbers ever (but this Is something you dont know, for you think that pantani's performances are comparable to riis' or armatrong's), but in the tt he shouldnt go fast: well...as everybody know in the last week cyclists Who are "fondisti" come out, and the way they recharege their body energy one day after the other is decisive. You have plenty of examples like this in the entire history of cycling. But I bet you are a youngster... Still you should know this...! 3) youre taking examples of Mercatone Uno's cyclists during the tt to show they were all doped.... But gregari shoud dope every stage but the tt if they are smart, for in the tt they are useless to the captain! 4) if you decide to ignote that in the last daya of a Grand Tour the most important thing is "fondo" and the recharging of energies (in which Pantani was number one, no matter what), you still have to explain why tonkov and otherswent only that fast, because we all know some of them were massively doped, tonkov being the first, working for a mapei team which had museeuw and others, and which did some astonishing exhibitions mostly at Roubaix... So why didnt tonkov go faster than Pantani...?!? Wasnt him doped till his eyeballs?!?

[@cyclingstories]

Oh yes... 1) 3 Times. In 2000 against Daniele Contrini (xD), In 1999 to the SAME FORCONI of this vid with hematocrit high and teammate. In 1998, againts the amazing Gianluca Sironi. It's like he won against Filippo Ganna, right? Laughable. 2) We didn't said "Anyone is doped but Pantani yes". No. We know a lot of pro riders were in the juice, of course, we talked about Zulle 7 days before this vid for example. We could compare performances of Pantani vs Armstrong, why not? But not in this vid mate. Armstrong and Riis didn't appear in this vid. What are you talking about? Yeah, of course. That's why Tonkov, much better time trialist than Pantani, in Mapei team (the same Mapei of 1996 Roubaix or the team who signed the Rominger prepared with Ferrari), who WON in Alpe de Pampeago and been second in Montecampione the same week and burned up Pantani in Trieste TT 7 days before Lugano's losed time with him without any mechanical problem or crash. Great theory the fondisti thing. 3)In TT a gregario is useless? LOL. You didn't know anything about history of cycling... read more, for example, about Luxembourg TT in 92 Tdf with De las Cuevas and Indurain. Or why Vaughters flew in Route du Sud 99 2 weeks after Tdf of Redemption hahaha... 4) That's what made this performance of Mercatone's epic and legendary! Look at your comment full of bs! Talked about Velo (ok, good tt, not for been top 2 in a final tt of Giro in normal conditions but good tt) but not about Pondenzana! Didn't talk anything about Pantani's without helmet, flying in a "flat" TT! This is why we love cycling!

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories 1) riis' and Armstrong were two examples Could i try to make u understand with examples or Is It forbidden in this vid?

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories 2) i aaw your vid about Zulle, and he was dwpictef as a victim (partially)

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories 3) de LAS cuevas was kicked out from banesto exactly because he was fast on tt, too fast so that Indurain thought (or echa arri and unzue for him) he kept himself for the tr

[@leonardobaracchi7040]

@@cyclingstories this all said, we all know that tt of Pantani was really too much, bit we have also to remind he had a recharging capacità inthe last week that i never saw, and if a tour would last 4weeks, Pantani would win them all, no matter if more hilly or tt

[@HanMoP]

pantani was not disqualified under tdf 1998. So either youre a liar or you simply doesnt know any better.