This was the Worst Thing to Ever Happen to Metal.

The Celestion Vintage 30 is quite possibly the world's most popular guitar speaker. Here's why it's been terrible for music.
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[@SpectreSoundStudios]

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[@Dm3qXY]

Hey Glenn!!! how about recording guitars with many room microphones?

[@specialkonacid6574]

I'm in the minority 😫

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

@@Dm3qXYthat’s coming!

[@Jugallojuicesucks]

Hey Glenn! Love your work! Your advice and knowledge has really upped my game in the production world! Kind of funny that you throw anything other than the Vintage 30 into this mix because I have quite the speaker for you to try! Have you ever recorded an EV12LM? Dude! These speakers are a game changers when it comes to tone! I have recorded, played live, and just straight jammed with these speakers. So at first what’s funny is that at first when you listen to these speakers they sound rather strange compared to Celestions, or any of the major brand speakers out there. At first when I was just jamming with them I didn’t like them, but the first time a Mic got introduced to them especially in a live or recording setting….dude that’s all you hear! Even in my band I’m the only guitar player that sonically shines unless the other guitar players in my band (I have 3 in my band including myself) unless the other guitar players really push their mids. Even then, they sound really thin. Recording them automatically (and dude I use a ribbon mic in the middle and an SM-57 towards the middle of the cone to the outer rim) it is HUGE! I don’t know what EV did with these speakers…but my god they sonically destroy everything else I’ve ever played or have jammed with ever since. They sound strange when you put them in a closed back extra big cab. In your ears they tend to push more low and mid range than high end, but in a mic….the BEST sound with minimal effort. I used to have trouble with my vintage 30’s capturing all my tiny nuances and sounding like a real guitar, but more in the moment type sound. I don’t know…it’s strange…but I definitely think you’d be blown away by these speakers. 300w per speakers and weighing in at 30 pounds per speaker…yeah it’s a heavy cab but so worth it! Would love for you to try out so EVLM’s and tell me what you think! Doesn’t matter if the amp is solid state or tube….sonically….youre the ONLY guitar player that will ever stand out…

[@nekot9274]

Okay, I will subscribe, but be kind Glen, I am just a Bass Player ;)

[@jackjohnson1128]

I swear to God, if they start putting glowing LED lights on speakers to make cabs look like gaming computers, guitar players will suddenly give a shit about it.

[@Mr.Goldbar]

That's legit a cool idea for a stage prop or a studio mood setter :D I can imagine having your cab glow lots of red will look so metal :D

[@TitaniusAnglesmith]

@@Mr.Goldbar Saw a local punk band that had lights synced to the guitars in their cabs

[@Mr.Goldbar]

@@TitaniusAnglesmith that should be adopted by a major arena band if you ask me :)

[@mfsoab]

@@Mr.Goldbar I did this on my bass rig, not to the speakers tho, but the 19" 6U rack case and it looks really nice on stage. I ran a LED strip around the inside of the front opening and also to the back, which eliminates the need for a flashlight if some connection fixing needs to be done.

[@mXr118]

Revv cabs light up 🤣

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

Hey All, Ignazio here from Jensen Speakers. Glenn, this is by far one of the most enlightning videos made about speakers and their importance on the guitarist's tone. Very well done, thank you from the whole community! And thanks to everyone who listened and commented on the Jensen Raptor tone. Quick info: the Jensen Raptor is a 12", 100W, ceramic magnet, 2" voice coil, and it's designed to work well in either open, closed and ported cabs. In our view, the speaker is SO critical because: 1) it's by far the most complex filter you can apply to your tone. Not even the most sophisticated EQ can mach the compexity of a speaker curve. Only an IR can come really close, but this introduces a whole new set of variables and opens a completely different discussion, so let's forget it for a second. 2) it's the very LAST filter in the signal path, right before your ears or your microphone(s). Everthing that happens before, is filtered and colored by the speaker. Guitar, pickups, pedals, amps, etc. Therefore, experiment and test, with a good common sense and some sort of quasi-scientific approach, trying to exclude variables, as Glenn did. And then play loud, rock hard and have fun. Sometimes a different speaker may be the perfect tool to reach the tone you always wanted to have. Any curiosity, info, tech talk... feel free to hit me at anytime! I love sharing what I learned in all these years of guitar blasting!

[@GruntPa101]

It's refreshing to see a manufacturer here.

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

@@GruntPa101 Thank you! It's always super interesting checkin' out what the players think, like, use! And if needed, it'll be our pleasure to go down the rabbit hole of tech talking!

[@Hugoknots]

I literally came to the comments to mention the Jensen. Lol glad to see you provided solid details and your word.

[@MAR3718]

I changed speaker in my cheap Line 6 15watt practice amp to Jensen C8R and change in sound its huuge. Maybe higain sound its not the best(it's old Line 6 so we must excuse this plastic sound) but the crunch its really agressive. This cheap speaker loves power so when i add volume nearly 12 o clock its "breaking" and shows power like there is booster in signal chain. Speaker its louder than "Custom" Line6 speaker, crisper and have something in tone thats for me it's "live". Thats my thoughts after changeing my speaker to Jensen. Good job all good people in Jensen, next speaker will be something more metal and modern than C8R also from Jensen.

[@NWTMasterWolf]

I'm liking those Raptors.

[@JV-rx3ov]

I was never truly sold on Glenn's theory until I actually did the tests. My friends & I spent days in my warehouse changing out speakers in various sized cabs & playing at high volume. The results were exactly as Glenn had said. Older amps gained new versatility through this & newer ones sounded even better than the manufacturers intended. Yes, it was crazy expensive to do & yes, I have a place to do it where volume is not an issue, but as a player with decades of experience who has never been very experimental with my tones, it was an eye-opening experience & has led to me swapping speakers in a lot of my modern amps in order to get the most satisfying tones. Remember, when companies are cutting costs to keep an amp at a determined price point, skimping on the speaker is one of the first places they go. It's good to have your preconceived biases tested in many aspects of life this way so that you're not just spouting bullshit that you've 'seent' on the internet..

[@Ryan_Switzer_of_MTS]

This video is incredible. So methodic, so informative, so objective - all the while being entertaining. This has been the pattern that has definitely taken shape over the last couple of years on this channel in my option. I am truly grateful for your work and have learned an immense amount from this channel. Absolutely stellar job - I don’t see any possible way this video could have been improved in any regard whatsoever. Just top notch work - well done and thank you!

[@Audioman45]

I think a lot of guitarists used to disregard speakers because we had a misconception that speakers were supposed to be neutral in sound.

[@chrispodesta8105]

Actually yeah, that was sort of the implication wasn't it? Differing volumes and quality levels, sure, and perhaps some tailoring to the amp they're build for.... But basically just a conduit to present the sound of the amp, was frequently implied if not stated.

[@dingerjunkie]

that is confusing high-fidelity home audio systems, which is supposed to be "faithful", with amplification, which is intended to add character/personality.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

Which is kind of hilarious really, if you've ever heard what's going into a guitar speaker..

[@Tomcat82]

That was me. For some hair-brained reason, I wanted to hear the amp's tone and not the cab's, so I hauled around a 4x12 loaded with EVMs for years thinking it'd give me an "uncolored pure tone". Then I tried a 1960BV cab and realized how much better it sounded.

[@myturningpoint]

Then guitarists are still at fault for mistaking 'flat response' studio monitors and guitar speakers. I mean just play a recorded song through a guitar speaker instead of a HiFi speaker or studio monitor, it sounds like absolute garbage. I worked that s**t out when I was still in my teens!!! this is not difficult stuff.

[@tonyborg6888]

I painted a Seymour Duncan logo on my cheap Amazon pick ups and my guitar tone looked so much better

[@69mosshead]

😂😂

[@honigdachs.]

You probably wired them wrong and can't even tell.

[@bryanstarkweather]

I wrote EMG 81 on my Seymour Duncan JB, and now I can only play hardcore metal! 🤘

[@geckoofcolor5721]

Thats very smart 😮

[@psykoklown874]

The pioneer era of metal aka the 80s was a great time to be alive because "the metal sound" had yet to be discovered, and every band still had it's own unique sound.

[@flacidhouse350]

Like metal isn't from the 60's.

[@mat.b.]

very true. There were also more guitar players and less resources, so experimentation in volume was a natural result to stir the pot up.

[@mat.b.]

@@flacidhouse350 metal is not from the 60s, what a weird thing to say.

[@flacidhouse350]

@@mat.b. Well it's something people who know what they are talking about would say. Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple. Get a clue kid.

[@mat.b.]

@@flacidhouse350 literally no one would say that. You can't just list 70s rock bands and pretend you have a clue. 🫴✨

[@RobChappers]

Great video dude, this is so unbelievably overlooked… I guess speakers just aren’t sexy enough. Although I feel compelled to point out that Galileo died peacefully in his home and was not tortured to death. Love you bro, see you at NAMM

[@BadManIncorporated1]

What's always blown my mind - in my band - we work hard on our guitar sound, for live - so that the two rhythm guys complement each other, NOT cancel each other out - so after hours and hours of working on our tones to jive, live- we've ALSO discovered the speakers made all the difference. The funny part: when playing smaller venues - and other bands want to "share the back row" WITH OUR Cabinets... - then bitch when they've lost their sound - I just laugh and think of Glenn. He's right, no matter how hard some people don't want it to be true. hahaha..

[@kitko33]

You must be a very polite band ;) Complement refers to something that completes something else, while compliment means a remark "especially in the form of admiration, esteem, or approval".

[@BadManIncorporated1]

@kitko33 thanks for the English lesson. Fixed.

[@LocalAlpha]

the whole guitar tone depends on a shit ton of things. Without any real experience i know that by simply being a fan of Dimebag Darrell, who had a huge amount of interviews, i think it is for a reason stated what amps he used, what strings he used, what effects he used, what kind of speakers, microphone And the microphone angle, as during a recording it all has an effect. Complementing each others tones is a nice touch, i once wanted to make a rig with a doubler (again Dime influence), but a had 2 different amps (Randall Diavlo and Spark 40), so it was very hard to build a tone that would complement each other, so the use of 2 amps together sucked. This short story shows how difficult tone building is and it is even more difficult if we speak about 2 guitar players that would cumplement each other with their tones and at the same time, hopefully be somewhat different. Many people don't realise this "small" trick, which creates a huge difference in the result. Many great bands have this, out of my mind I can pick slayer, as kerry and jeff had slightly different tones, but not too much different, so they sounded amazing together. What is the name of your band? I would love to hear the way you sound? Also, where are you guys based, what country?

[@clamdigr]

@@kitko33 KZbin should have a button for us to click when someone is super helpful, you know a "value add" type of person.

[@BadManIncorporated1]

@nicolaemira5726 It was a tough one - both used 5150III's and the respective speaker cabs. Different guitars, different pedal set ups - Just a lot of similar frequencies. We messed with all the settings, in the end, it boiled down to one keeping their cabinet and the other switching to an oversize mesa - then we zeroed in on who carried the chunk and who carried the definition - by adjusting mids and bass levels. We don't have our bass player a lot, as he works out of town - but we still sound great, live. I have a couple clips on the youtube channel of some live play, this passed halloween and summer - and our album is on bandcamp - which can be found in my community post. (I can't put a link in a comment for some reason) But we're a bunch of older dudes that do this for the fun and the music. Based out of British Columbia Canada. Burn It All.

[@nickx1754]

This had to have taken a lot of time, patients and effort. Much appreciation from this viewer. Thanks, Glenn!

[@eyedunno8462]

Patience

[@samhenderson6474]

@@eyedunno8462 These are musicians we're talking about here. Either one works.

[@StratMatt777]

@@eyedunno8462 No actually the participants in the study were patients in a hospital for guitar players with carpal tunnel.

[@brukernavn3409]

I feel bad for the patients.

[@kenkrugger]

Glenn, because of you I bought several Mojotone speakers and I can’t believe how they changed my sound! I can’t decide which I like best so I built a 2x12 cab with a BV25m and a BV30. I love the combination with my Orange Rockerverb 50. I mic both speakers and blend them. I still have my vintage 30 Orange 2x12 cab so I have many options now. I plan on ordering some other brands to try other combinations. My live sound is way more interesting now.

[@nzsteve]

Great work Glenn, really informative and entertaining. I can only begin to imagaine how much effort has gone into this one. Any chance of the Get Evidence Roundtable making an appearance again? - some fascinating discussions in those!

[@TruRokGuitar]

The worst thing to happen to metal players and players in general is guerrilla marketing tactics. People worry about spending too much time spending money instead of practicing and they wonder why they sound like ass? Here’s a hint: It’s not the amount of dollars you spent.

[@gilbertspader7974]

Gear should only be a tool to achieve your music ideas.

[@brianrobichaud4798]

Tone is in the practice.

[@cougar2013]

Yeah, but my guitar’s wood is super rare and you probably never heard it. Doesn’t that make my tone superior?

[@blurry.magnets]

Pretty sure tone is in the pedals lol Your fingers aren’t going to ever sound like Tom Morello for example.

[@TheAxe4Ever]

Guerrilla marketing not only affects metal players. The sheeple in general have fallen for the lies of Guerrilla marketing. As proven by the number of people that fell for the lies of the governments of the world and the pharmaceutical companies and lined up to get their jab. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ckaras100]

Its a tough one between the WGS reaper and the Hesu demon, they both did something in the high end that I really liked.

[@zhiracs]

That Reaper cuts like a sushi knife in a lead context, without any need for additional volume

[@Joe-tc9vy]

Can confirm the WGS reaper goes hard

[@Kausemus]

WGS Reaper was so good!

[@Gate11Studio]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the time to do the hard work for the benefit of us all. Know you are appreciated!

[@boomboomyumyum]

One of the most important guitar recording videos, period. Between this, the cab irrelevance for close mic'ed heavy guitar, and the high degree of insignificance when it comes to pick up choice, you're killing it, Glenn! Great job, keep up the good work and keep up the best attempt at scientifically investigating claims! ❤

[@SnarkySloth]

Fantastic video, Glen! Explaining all the information you've uncovered and discussed over the past year or so packed neatly into one easily digestible video! And the speaker shootout is something I've been eagerly awaiting! Those Eminence speakers sounded absolutely killer and are probably my favorite so far

[@pilot4them2010]

Great video Glenn. I am using the Green Backs in my 2x12 cab and I love them. Even for higher gain. Great explanation on how the speakers change the tone the most significantly. Just like with car audio. It’s crazy how most people ( even musicians ) can hear a difference in your car when you swap out the factory speakers for better once, but can not grasp the concept that this same tonal shift is what is happening in a speaker cabinet for a amp. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family

[@m.a.6478]

Awesome vid Glenn! Would be interested in a nerdy breakdown on how you record a frequency response with REW.

[@oldadajbych8123]

Hi Glenn, how did you preserve the exact same mic position after the speaker swap? I think backloading would be better for this purpose. Or did you remove the cab entirely, and after the swap, you placed the bottom to the exact spot? The position and the distance of the mic to the speaker are some of the variables that should also be fixed, cause an inch shift can change the sound quite noticeably.

[@naafyren88]

This!

[@commandererwin7523]

Hey Glenn. Have you ever considered releasing IR's for all these different speakers? I know that myself and a lot of other guitarists would love to have access to these types of speakers for plugins and modellers

[@Lucius338]

second this, I'd fork up some cash for that!

[@jaymesmustaine684]

Wow Glenn amazing information and you presented it with such professionalism! I’d love to just be able to hang around your studio while you work to try to soak up some of your knowledge. My views on gear have changed drastically since I’ve been watching your videos. I use to worry about all the wrong things like tone wood and pickups. I actually did my own speaker challenge between a Celestion 75 and a Reaper 75 HP and what a difference. I sold the Celestion and I’ve been playing my Orange Super Crush through the Reaper and will never look back! Thanks 😁

[@johnc9958]

A very informative video. Thank you for taking the time to conduct all the tests. Why not go with an amp/cabinet/speaker setup that is flat through its range and color the sound with an EQ?

[@setra23]

I have a 2x12 that used to have a V30 and a Lynchback, mic'd with a SM57 and a ES906. Got a pretty individual sound. Swapped out the V30 with a Greenback, lucky enough to find a guy that wanted a V30 and had a Greenback and it sound pretty cool imo. Also made mixing a little easier, as I wasn't fighting the top end from the V30.

[@joshua.merrill]

I love the sound of the lynchback, but they’re so hard to find, now.

[@NicoMCH666]

since your early videos about the speakers and the good replacements for the V30, I have installed a Hesu Demon in my 1x12 Mesa Cab (Cab from 2012 - I think the version you categorised as bad) early last year. Best decision ever! the sound difference is just incredible! Thanks again for all the videos you do to inform us even if it goes against some hard beliefs we have regarding tonewood, speakers, pickups etc.!

[@ryanloescher6234]

Absolutely love your work, Glenn. Quick question for you as I value your opinion on such a topic the most- I know this video was specifically for speakers that AREN'T Celestion, but I was curious what your thoughts were on other Celestion products? I know Iommi used seventy 80s at one point, Kirk Hammet has a signature Randall cab with rocket 50s I believe, and I really enjoy the sound of my Kustom q412a which came factory-loaded with celestion super 65s. After seeing this video I'm extremely tempted to swap the speakers in my Randall RG412 to Jensen Raptors. The factory speakers sound fine, but "fine" isn't good enough. Please keep up the awesome content! 🤘

[@aritra.mondal.ganguly]

NEED YOUR OPINIONS GLENNNN.. GOT 2 DOUBTS.... Firstly, this is one of the best videos I have seen on guitar tone. I watched your guitar pickup comparison video and was at awe after realising that I don't need the upgrade to Fishman Fluence for distorted tones XD. Again, the most accurate comparison you've put in my opinion, just by the way you showed the marginal impact of tone due to speakers, and ONLY speakers. (Even though you had to readjust mic placements every time after switching speakers, but I think that was unavoidable). I would love to know how did you get those speakers' frequency response? As a home studio recorder, I really feel the need to calibrate my studio monitors to get a flat/unbiased response. Any tips on studio monitor calibration given I cannot get too much acoustic treatments in my bedroom? Another thing, how to implement swaping speakers concept on an amp sim to get an unique sound? Even though I get a cabinet impulse response, that is again not very original to me!! OPINIONSSSS GLENNN ...

[@innnews6299]

Adding a Vintage 30 in the sound test would have made it complete and once and for all let people hear the differences to this popular speaker.

[@seanlynch6737]

I put an eminence Texas heat in my Peavey bandit red stripe. Man I love that sound. I get compliments on my playing through that amp all the time. Phenomenal. Thanks Glenn for the hard work you do. I wish guitar players would just say 'I bought it because I wanted it.' Then we could all get on with our lives.

[@ryanrossell8479]

Has to sound fudging amazeballs..I'm a Peavey guy I have a few silver stripes. Ultra and bandit..KILLER

[@tomaszmazurek64]

Very cool video. I wouldn't mind also hearing a comparison of how those speakers sound with a bit cleaner tones, though I understand this is not the focus of this channel. With many (most?) guitarists these days recording with cab sims, experimenting with speakers has become much easier and I would hope this will eventually lead to more varied tones. My personal discovery made thanks to the cab sims has been that if it's the midrange of the Vintage 30 that you are after, but you don't want the typical V30 tone, then 10 inch speakers can be a very interesting alternative.

[@gratefulseedsavernogmo5172]

Awesome breakdown of speaker response and sound.!! Appreciate the tech info you presented, too. Positive Vibrations…

[@perryadams3159]

I tend to go with a brighter speaker, like the greenback or cream back. I don't play modern metal, but do play a lot of 70's-90's metal. The amps I use tend to have more mids, as opposed to modern metal players using less mids and compensating with the vintage 30 mid hump.

[@joseislanio8910]

Ever tried Jensen? For me, the two Jensen speakers I bought were the best gear purchases I ever made.

[@FreshBagelz]

The V30 is way brighter than the creamback. The v30 accentuates the upper mids where the greenback / creamback starts to roll off

[@Mr.Goldbar]

All of them sounded great! There's something so right about the Mojotones that made me prefer it over the others. The Jensens had some annoying frequency I can't really tell, and the rest of them sounded very similar. I would love to see them compared to the more popular Celestions just as a reference point, if someone prefers the V30s over all of these more power to them, at least they're informed :)

[@amirtak9886]

The mojotone greyhound speakers sound sick. SO do some of the WGS speakers like the Veteran & Retro 30.

[@theghosty99]

I agree, the Mojotones really had an excellent sound to them. I also liked the Celestions quite a bit. Mojotone is an extremely underrated company imho - their pickups are incredible too. I even prefer them over the excellent Lollars and Fralins I've had, when it comes to clean tones.

[@schuetzenjaeger]

Will there be a test on front- vs. rearloaded speaker in the future? 😊 I would be very interested in that topic. btw great comparison. Thank you!

[@gpm4166]

Gleeeeeeen! Man your work is absolutely amazing but yeah, guitar players in general tend to want more validation than information. I have a "dumb" question. If your rig consist of a guitar+ some kind of practice amp like a spark40, your sound is being controlled by the speakers inside the spark or it's speakers work as monitors for the IR that the amp is trying to emulate? Sorry for the weird question.

[@K707OR30]

This is a fantastic video, thanks for doing the work on it. All of these tones were awesome, and I think blending some of these would sound ridiculously good. For instance the mojotone and the demon or reaper would probably sound great blended.

[@Bandguy333415]

As a strict guitarist who never bought into the hype of pickups and tone wood , your videos have bright me joy and new areas to look into with buying gear. Than you good sir.

[@roiillouz8250]

Hi Glenn - I would love to hear your opinion on slant or straight cabs? Does it even matter recorded?

[@bridgestreetdesign]

Question: since the cabinet you used is front loading, you had to move it to swap out the speakers, right? Isn’t that in effect moving the mics?

[@levipartridge2790]

Hi Glenn, This is a long one, so strap in 👀 A quick crash course in T-75 history, it's worth noting that they've had several iterations that all sound different, like the V30 (original Marshall Vintage, made-in-UK "Mesa" V30, and the 2004+ made-in-China) the sound of the T-75s over the years has changed, around the same times as the V30. Essentially there are 3 main variants of the T-75: - The original 80s JCM800 spec, well loved and had the plain "white" label (some had vented magnets but this arguably doesn't affect anything) - JCM900 spec, the first with the white+black stripe label, made in the UK, far less popular than the original. This was the variant Kristian Kohle used in his scathing video on the T-75 - Current production made in China. Even more gravelly and obnoxious sounding A while ago I picked up a white label version from the 80s and I'm using it in my 1x12 DSL at the moment. It sounds so much better than the modern made version, and works well with mid-strong Marshall tone stack. Obviously it's a Celestion from the 80s so it's a bit thinner than the V30 and the Green/Creambacks and needs to be treated differently. If you're going after classic 80s T-75 tones, it's definitely worth looking for an old one. If you really can't find one, the Eminence Man-O-War is meant to be based on the original T-75, or G12-65/Classic Lead 80 will be the closest things within the current Celestion family, and sound good in their own right. I also found a recording someone made that showing the differences between the old/new: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5alpmNugLllh7s Hope this helps, and good luck in the eternal quest for tone!

[@levipartridge2790]

@@Danielrguitar92 yeah I agree they're not as dreadful as their popular opinion, though they are quite hard to tame. The next step on from "tone is in the speaker" is understanding what tones are in what speakers, and how to get the best out of each. Most reviews and comparisons I see where people bash speakers is when "Speaker X" is treated identically to a reference V30, and then being disappointed that they don't sound better than a V30, without stopping to think what else it brings to the table, or if an EVH/Recto (EQd for a V30) boosted with an SD1, and an SM57 square on the cap might not be the perfect compliment for everything. For people in a creative industry, musicians sure lack creativity when it comes to their way of working

[@krustdogg131]

In this mix the hesu demon seemed super balanced and open on the top end. Also really liked the dv77 quite a bit. Would be cool to see it against the v30

[@Abraided]

A question: Let's say that I take your advice and try new speakers and find that I like something better than say, a Vintage 30. How do I know or what should I look for in terms of how the tone will sound when recorded. One of the things your video also demonstrated is that the sound in the room is not what you hear when recorded. Is there something to be said for having speakers that you play live versus speakers you record with in order to get a tone that sounds consistent both live and recorded? Thanks.

[@marcusbarnes5929]

Hey glenn, whats your opinion of the celestion 70/80 speaker... I have them in a laney cab.. contemplating getting a mesa cab.

[@Tt-nt1iu]

Episode idea. I think this would be useful us metal heads. Which pick ups rejects the most noise under high gain?

[@666dreamboat]

This is a sick idea dude

[@vorpalblades]

Actives.

[@Mr.Goldbar]

My guess is actives and particularly Fishmans, as they're a PCB design instead of copper wire. EMGs are also a guess of mine, as they're so quiet you don't even need to ground them

[@Tt-nt1iu]

@@Mr.Goldbar My guess would have been EMG's as well. I have them in two of my telecasters that I use for metal. They are quiet but not completely quiet. Glenn has convinced me there is no real tonal difference between pick ups under high gain application. What we all fight though is noise. Is there a pick up out there that reigns supreme in combating noise? Might be a useful test. I'd do it myself but I do not have the resources, time, or frankly needed skills to be swapping an array of pick ups.

[@vorpalblades]

Lace Alumitones are almost zero noise as well.

[@gr_eerie_VM]

As someone who uses DV77’s live and in recording for my band, I completely agree. Now I’m thinking of getting a couple of those HESU Demons to pair with the DV77’s. Great video Glenn! Keep up the good work! It’s much appreciated!!

[@losferwords10]

Thanks for all the work, Glenn!!!

[@MetalArcade]

Man I loved the Sneap forum back in the day. Helped me out so much. I remember seeing you, Ola, Ermin and many other greats on there posting some great advice. The area where you could post your mixes and get feedback was such a great learning tool, haven't found anything like it since.

[@mikaeljohansson83]

Damn really liked that fat snare sound :) To me the combination of sounds from all sources is where it's at. Doesn't matter if your guitarsound is the greatest ever if your drums sounds dull or the bassplayer plays crappy you are out of luck. Now I would point out that I'm a live sound engineer and as such I usually have to take into account whether it's a large stage compared to a club gig. But it boils down to the ability of the musicians to recognize the different scenarios and set the sound of their own gear accordingly. A full blast 100Watts amp in a small club will only make life HELL for everyone involved except the mindless guitarist. I could go on forever about this but you get the point.

[@Hzuuuu]

Glenn, recently David Maxim Micic made a video explaining why speakers matters the most in a guitar tone. Perhaps you can collab with him or make some references to his video? Maybe then other guitar players will be much more open minded to accept this truth when they hear it straight from a very talented guitarist.

[@happycadaver]

Big fan of DMM and thought that video he did on speakers was absolutely fabulous. Definitely made me think of Glenn and his quest as well to show how speakers are the true tone shifters. A collab would be absolutely amazing to see!!

[@Hzuuuu]

@@happycadaver His demos, explanations and examples with the closed vs open backed cabs were brilliant. I do believe a lot of people will change their mind if they hear it straight from any musicians that they respect. Glenn is Glenn and people who refuse to accept him as a great audio engineer will never listen to his advice. Having someone like DMM onboard should help.

[@Mr.Goldbar]

DMM is one of these modern progressive players many bedroom guitarists like, I'm curious to see how him and Glenn will vibe together :D

[@StompboxMods]

@spectresoundstudios have you guys tried any 15 like Celestion Fullback? I know there’s are a few others floating out there, but I was curious whats your take on 15s? 🤘🤘

[@alvaroruizruiz7538]

Glenn!!!!!! We would like to know what do you think of each speaker, which situations would you put each through and why... Anyhow, they all sounded greatly mixed, nice video btw

[@thecollective1584]

My guitarist swears by Jensen. He wants nothung to do with Celestions because "everyone else" uses them.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Watch the video. Let me know what you think of the Jensens

[@joshua.merrill]

I’ve got a Jensen Tornado Stealth 65, and love it. The neodymium magnets make it so much lighter, as well; the V30 I’ve got next to it feels twice as heavy, and not in the musical way.

[@thecollective1584]

@@SpectreSoundStudios Why ask me? As you can see, I'm a bassist, so Rule #2 applies. lol I'm all over the Jensen speakers. I am considering checking them out as an addition to my rig. I don't really know too much about these things as I go to the shop with my head and play through whatever bass cabs they have. If there's one I REALLY like, I get it home to A/B against my curent. Could you do a bass speaker shoot? I've been using, pretty much the same rig for about 9 years, now and would like to hear what's out there without spending $200 a pop.

[@Johnsormani]

Even within the celestion brand there are so many different colors of speaker sounds. I have many amps and many speakers, there is no best speaker for guitar.

[@WaldooBird]

The amount of work Glen puts in his videos tho 😯😍

[@vpovince1001]

Hi Glenn !! What do you think of the ToneSpeak speakers ? How about the old VHT/Fryette cabs and speakers ? Thanks !!

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Want to try them!

[@Synic42]

Great video! One remark though on the front loading cabinet if I may. A lot of speakers have foam or other isolation material on the front. When you use those in a front loading cabinet, you should put some isolation material on the back between the speaker and the baffle. Otherwise you'll have the metal rim of the speaker vibrating directly against the wood of the baffle without some kind of buffer.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

I have an Axe-FX (I'm one of those, Glenn, 😉) and I once looped a riff and cycled it through all the amp models and then all the IR's. The latter by far gave me the greatest changes in tone. I'd say get a large selections of IR's, loop a riff and see which IR you like best, and then try the corresponding speaker.

[@myturningpoint]

GENIUS!!

[@billzade8158]

That is actually exactly how I discovered that I am a really big fan of the Celestion Creamback. By far my favorite Celestion, with the Greenback being an almost close second.

[@WardGuitarCabinets]

5 of my favorite speakers ever. And tbh I think a lot of people are experimenting with more than V30s, as I’m in a shit ton of groups and a lot of people are experimenting with DV77s and I love it. I also blame Kristian Kohle for that hahaha BTW that mix sounds incredible!

[@lifeisgood6921]

Switched to a dv77 impulse as my main a few years ago and i love it. And yeah, i found out about this speaker from him )

[@metalprognosis]

Really awesome video! Really well informed and great breakdown and examples. I really enjoy the lecture style of videos you do, the brief history of where we came from to where we could be and why. The strongest statement you said in this video is "Start thinking like and engineer, not a guitar player." I love that train of thought. I remember working as an engineer on a project years ago, during a session the client turned to me an said (paraphrasing as it was many moons ago), "If you can't push one button and make this sound profession, we'll go somewhere else..." I think it was this day I started mixing and editing without the musicians in the room. You main statement reminded me of this.

[@averycooper427]

This makes me very interested in the WGS Reaper, I love that sound. I'm curious how much of a difference it makes which amp is pushing it as far as dynamic range to adjust. I'm running an ENGL Ironball that I love through a V30 but it's kind of thin and tinny compared to the 5150 I used to run through it. The waxy sound of an ENGL does good things for my tingle factor but worried about marking it even more thin (in the midrange, we all should know and love the typical ENGL beef).

[@MrJingles021]

Much more noticeable difference than pickups make. I liked the DV-77 the best. When it went to the Hesu Demon, I recognized some of Ola's tone.

[@juandefelix]

Amazing video! There's always great information in this channel .

[@Gus11c]

Glen! Have you thought of blending these speakers with a v30? Just to see what the outcome is like? I've thought about getting 1 DV77 in my 2x12 so I have 1 DV77 and I v30

[@blakeanderson7906]

Another great video Glenn, thx! I love the out takes at the end, lol!

[@Daniel_Batal]

This might incite some wrath but any decent speaker will sound differently depending on the cab it's installed into, the configuration, the wood and how it's mic'd. I love Vintage 30's, the British made versions are a bit more to my liking, but they sound completely different in a 2 x 12" open-back combo than they do in a Marshall slant 4. I actually tend to prefer Greenbacks and if you really push me, I'm probably going to lean into a pair of Weber Blue Dogs or Blue Pups (depending on size I need) because I can completely customize the build right from the factory and they sound the way I expect British speakers to sound.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Cabinet geometry? Absolutely! The material? No. We already did that test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHTRe4dnpblqj68si=U7pfk8o1skucChOw

[@Daniel_Batal]

Yeah, granted at that level of overdrive & incurred compression, you won’t hear much difference in wood tone. Keep in mind, I know you’re a metal channel. Understood. I’m a classic rock dude who isn’t playing anywhere near that level of overdrive.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Wood tone? Watch this. No hi gain anywhere. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZXIoqScibxmlbMsi=AQFCir6dq3xeT0AP

[@CajunReaper95]

Oh yeah idk if I mentioned this but as side from my road side garbage find fender champ 12 1x12 tube combo amp I finally bought a Marshall origin 50w tube head along with the ori412A cabinet it was sitting on now while it’s not a high gain best I can get some really nice clean blues or slight breakup and a bit of minor gain rock tones out of it but if I throw my mxr full bore metal into the fx loop then ill get a decent metal tone out of it, however I am going to be working on building a nice birch plywood if I remember correctly pedal board with it after giving it a nice stain and since you’re knowledgeable I wanted to as what is the best way to affix the pedal to the board?

[@pjmoxley2087]

Genuine question, did you break the speakers in first, or are these straight out of the box sounds? Love from Baltimore!

[@GRINNERMETAL]

So I have a Hesu 2 x 12 cab with the Demon speakers fitted as you’d expect and that lives in my home studio. For band rehearsal and live a have a Peavey Valveking 4 x 12 (cost me £21) with whatever standard speaker it comes with and never really thought about the difference as the volume used in each environment is so different I didn’t really notice a difference. Until I brought my Hesu to band rehearsal! Oh wow, the whole band noticed the difference in sound. I’m now going to swap out at least two of the Peavy speakers for Hesu Demons! Awesome video Glen!!!

[@dyeeb]

I once experimented with a P-bass, MXR compressor, an un-modded 1971 Fender Champ, and a few different 8" speakers. For the purposes of the test, all knobs were set to 10, and the test took place in an old Amish barn. The EV 8" dual cone (can't remember the model) was the only one that could handle the beating and it.just.sang, it was glorious!

[@jamesconnelly7923]

Hello Glenn. I have a question for you. I play through a Marshall 4-12 cab with G12T-75 speakers. I love the sound that comes out of my cabinet but when you mic it, it sounds very harsh and raspy through the PA. I'm thinking of switching out 2 speakers with something less raspy so I can stick a mic in front of the replacement speaker and get out from under that raspy sound. At first I saw a video of a guy that said to put these vintage 30 in- bottom left and top right - but I don't want to buy them and still not achieve my goal. Can you recommend a good speaker for that? Thank you.

[@Jugallojuicesucks]

Hey Glenn! Love your work! Your advice and knowledge has really upped my game in the production world! Kind of funny that you throw anything other than the Vintage 30 into this mix because I have quite the speaker for you to try! Have you ever recorded an EV12LM? Dude! These speakers are a game changers when it comes to tone! I have recorded, played live, and just straight jammed with these speakers. So at first what’s funny is that at first when you listen to these speakers they sound rather strange compared to Celestions, or any of the major brand speakers out there. At first when I was just jamming with them I didn’t like them, but the first time a Mic got introduced to them especially in a live or recording setting….dude that’s all you hear! Even in my band I’m the only guitar player that sonically shines unless the other guitar players in my band (I have 3 in my band including myself) unless the other guitar players really push their mids. Even then, they sound really thin. Recording them automatically (and dude I use a ribbon mic in the middle and an SM-57 towards the middle of the cone to the outer rim) it is HUGE! I don’t know what EV did with these speakers…but my god they sonically destroy everything else I’ve ever played or have jammed with ever since. They sound strange when you put them in a closed back extra big cab. In your ears they tend to push more low and mid range than high end, but in a mic….the BEST sound with minimal effort. I used to have trouble with my vintage 30’s capturing all my tiny nuances and sounding like a real guitar, but more in the moment type sound. I don’t know…it’s strange…but I definitely think you’d be blown away by these speakers. 300w per speakers and weighing in at 30 pounds per speaker…yeah it’s a heavy cab but so worth it! Would love for you to try out so EVLM’s and tell me what you think! Doesn’t matter if the amp is solid state or tube….sonically….youre the ONLY guitar player that will ever stand out…

[@LesSand75]

Hey @SpectreSoundStudios, can you review the L6 PowerCab? If you’re not familiar (I doubt it ☺️), they essentially a powered cabinet that tries to simulate specific speakers, not the sound of a mic’ed speaker in a room through an FRFR. (It technically _is_ an FRFR as well, but I’m trying not to focus on that.) For those of us who don’t have the access to multiple types of speakers, I wonder if these are a good option for a “cab in a room” sound as well as recording. Cheers from SoCal!

[@Kalthos85]

hahaha great use of that UHF clip Edit: do you have videos about mic'ing cabs? I'm seeing y'all pros w/ condenser microphones right up to the grill, and I'm curious to see your interface/DAW settings vs settings when using something like a 57. Cheers!

[@wadecourtney8958]

I’m wondering something that you might could test. With guitar players tuning down more, would there be any benefit to recording those down tuned guitars through a bass cabinet that was designed to handle the lower frequencies? Just a thought really or has it already been done?

[@chrispark187]

Damn, it's always so hard for me to pick the best tone for the mix every time I swap speakers!! I use cab impulses and always run into this issue where I can't commit to a certain setup because there's always individual things I like more about one speaker compared to another. How do you choose and commit to a speaker setup?

[@ccoker95]

The engineer in me appreciates the use of frequency plots! I am curious though, does the amplification of a given frequency depend on the magnitude of the input? In other words, does the speaker filter/amplify sounds linearly or nonlinearly?

[@goregamer100]

Hi Glenn, After all your speaker AB tests confirmed your point, I did some thinking on the physics of speakers and found an Audiophile forum rabbit-hole. There are some out there that think controlling temperature and humidity have a significant effect on speaker tone/performance. Do you think there is any merit to this for guitar? (probably more than "tonewood" at least!) Cheers!

[@TheBentNote]

Whats the verdict on mixing V30s with another speaker in a 2x12? Im def wanting to dip my toes into different speakers, so any suggestions yall? Or would I be better off saving up to swap both, or just outright grab a different cab? And if so, is recording with a mic the same situation?

[@SimmoPlaysGuitar]

Am I crazy to think that the grill cloth material on a cab can change the frequency of what the microphone is picking up? I have a Mesa rectifier cab loaded with V30s that has the standard grill cloth. Then I have a Randall Warhead cab also loaded with V30 but the grill is metal with a wide open pattern. The Randall is a louder cab and picks up more low end . Thoughts?

[@petegaslondon]

14:46 Oh hey I think that graph calibration should be VOLTS not mV, but its great to see this stuff - thing is how DO you measure a PU's freq response - you cant really input a flat sinewave string vibration .. Do you couple a mag field into it or what?

[@Venemoth666]

Glenn Will you make the 2024 edition of v30 impulse response ? ( i use your impulses from v30 and its the best impulse's for metal chugging) no one was able to catch that good it as you (dust cap position), if there is possibility i will happy to get some new with others positions and also Back Of cabinet (its fundamental in my guitar sound)

[@justinpeeler7729]

Thanks for this video Glen I’m using Peavey Black Widows atm and I guarantee no else is so it’ll be neat to see what happens when I record with them.

[@matzo570]

Hey Glenn, thank for this great test. I`m about to buy the HB V30 vertical Cab, which you recommend too. It`s more affordable than an empty Cab and buy other speakers at the moment. As you show in another clip and also mentioned in this one: how big is the influence of A: Mic Position B: Which Mic Maybe that is also an interesting test. Wich sounds you can get from an V30 with diffenent Mics and different positions compared to the common V30-SM57 Combo.

[@richardjewett7702]

Thank You for the education, Sir......I appreciate what you do

[@jessemclainmusic1242]

GLLLEEEENNN!!! Still always lovin your content brother!! I'll just say right out, I've always used my cab and speakers for TONE and pickups to give me different responses with that tone. Being a tech for over 15 years has taught me one thing, THE PRACTICE AMP I ALWAYS TEST MY WORK WITH ALWAYS SOUNDS THE SAME PEOPLE!! When changing out pickups, shit tons of metal rigs, I have learned that the same amp always had the same tone but the response, like achieving squeals and chugs easier from the different RESPONSES of the pickups, was what would change on the guitar. Getting more or less high or low end "response" out of the pickup is the height of the poles to the strings changing how the pickups respond to the waves of the strings at different levels. This is compared to the poles acting like a mic in front of a speaker cab, different distance and angle will pickup the "same" waves the strings are producing while reacting to different areas of the waves at different positions. And I'm sorry to all the "tone wood" lovers out there, but a Duncan SH-1 "59 Model" pickup sounds exactly the same in an Epiphone as it does a Gibson......

[@joshuamessenger]

Thoughts on using 4 matching speakers vs 4 different speakers in a 4x12 cabinet? (for both live and recording purposes)

[@Mattchewhicks]

Appreciate the UHF clip-ins. Lol How do you feel about the IR world for those who are almost exclusively tied to the modeling world, Ala Fractal and the like? Do you have any IRs you are making in house to offer that show off these speaker options? 😃👍

[@juanmacaceres2702]

Serious question: How much does the impact of the speakers vary through volume levels? Is it worth it for a apartment player at low volumes? Thanks

[@Mikesosa75]

Great video as always! You should have a fearless review for the new S by solar Guitar to see if it´s good! Just Saying!!!

[@_tommoses_]

Hey Glenn, Interesting thought for you. If the toan mainly comes from the speakers/cab and Fractal has the free Cab Lab which correct me if I’m wrong but is basically a cab sim plugin with Axe Fx cabs, then does mean you can technically get free Axe Fx toan when used with a plugin like NAM? (Also if you haven’t check out NAM it’s basically free ToneX)

[@jammalammaDD]

Just got a used 6505+, and want to get Vintage 30 spkrs. Does it matter whether I get 8- or 16-ohm speakers? Would one sound better than the other?

[@katuzim.d.7888]

Mr.Specter may i ask you to make a video about the speaker monitors set up at an studio room? With regards

[@howtoshootstraighthtss4948]

Do you have to unscrew the backpanel for the wiring of the front loaded speaker?

[@nobodyimportant76467]

I’d like to try different speakers. The only thing that stops me is there are so many different options that deciding on what to try gets a little overwhelming especially considering that there doesn’t seem to be much of a market for used speakers so I’m pretty much guaranteed to be stuck with anything I get and I’ve already got more stuff than I need. Any advice on how to choose a speaker or is this just something you have to experience for yourself?

[@nobodyimportant76467]

As a follow up how does the sound of a speaker change as it breaks in? This feels like the sort of thing that I could obsess about and ruin my life lol

[@ABJr229]

Hey Glenn. Ive seen people use eq matching software to make two different mics sound exactly the same. Could you do the same with speakers and IR? whats the point of buying different speakers when you could tweak the eq with software or rack and get a massively different sound?

[@ABJr229]

Besides live applications

[@jjulch]

Friend of mine has been telling me it’s the speaker for well over ten years, couldn’t understand why he had dozens of speakers everywhere in his house, until I decided to try out something to replace the 70/80 Speaker that came in my DSL20C. Amazing how much things changed in tone. Settled on a Creamback Neo. Huge difference in tone. And I’m not a metal player. Classic Rock, Blues, Country, and many odd 80’s cover tunes in my bar band. Learning speakers sound different depending on the amp type, cabinet size, and open/closed/ported cabinets opens a lot of possibilities for me. Appreciate what you’re bringing to the table here.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

The Neo Creambacks are amazing!

[@travis8895]

Hey do you have a video comparing cabinet geometry? You mentioned how it has a big effect on tone and I'm curious to learn more

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

I touch on it here. Full video will be coming in a few months. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6HUaKepgJKekM0si=Bjc0qSa9ZlXkewnu

[@pyroman6000]

Could some of the difference between room sound and recorded sound have to do with the mic being right on the speaker- and our ears being in the room- away from the speaker? Would mixing in a second mic- a room mic- give a more natural sound? WE are getting the cab sounds, and the room sounds too. I had a similar experience when trying out a combo in the store, vs what it sounded like when I brought it home. I'd forgotten the fact that Guitar Center had the amp in a shelving unit. It's an open back cab, so all the bass and sound coming from the back was redirected right back at me. Moving it closer to a wall or in a closet made that sound re=appear.

[@bluntforc3studios198]

Hi Glen, I totally agree with you and. I would love to experiment with speakers other than the v-30 , but one reason I go to v30 is the fact that they work and I don’t have the fear of wasting money on speakers that don’t stand up. This way unfortunately I won’t find a “better” tone but I know the v-30 /sm57 is going to do what I want. Maybe with a better financial climate thing will improve and I’ll be able to experiment, thanks again for a great vid.

[@javieravila4213]

Hey Glenn, have you tried ( celestion sidewinders ) ?