This Will Completely Destroy Live Poker

[@danielsvedan]

Poker room= Dead zone. (No internet) Solved...

[@mttmmedia]

Eventually, the casinos will say no to any of this, so life Poker will never die, you can never take out the human element, bluffs, and hand history, life Poker will live forever Alec

[@thestanleys3235]

Casinos could prevent it. But they won't realize fast enough and people will cheat for years.

[@gesus.christ99]

poker will not live forever in my opinion not because of crazy ways of cheating, but because at some point there will be not enough recreationals

[@kagepoker]

Angling like Alec Torelli will kill live poker.

[@dochamp2]

Cell,Wi-Fi, blocking in tournament area

[@davidasquino2411]

ther are always data bundles

[@jamesstaggs4160]

I don't need to be connected to the internet to use a solver if it's already on my phone. Not me personally, I've never used a solver l, but individual programs don't need to depend on a connection to the internet. Hell you could use a phone that's never connected to the internet and a solver was loaded from a pc. I think they should just ban any electronic devices at any poker table. If someone is that addicted to their phone then sorry, you just don't get to play. As useful as smartphones are I'd love to see way less of them everywhere. A couple of years back I went to a concert where the band had a rule that nobody be on their phones during the show. It was great. Instead of seeing a sea of arms in the air recording the concert everyone was just, you know l, watching the show in the here and now. Only one person out of the few thousands that were there had their phone out and they got booted. I'd like to see more of that. I'd love more places and events with no smartphones, poker being one of them.

[@LivePokerGuide]

You're not wrong, and it seems scary. But this is only an issue for higher stakes. Imagine such a solver telling you what to do with middle pair after Joe, Jim, Moe, and Jack called your 10x raise preflop at 1/2.

[@gregorythemadrussian7461]

Doesn't the opp need to also be playing optimal also?? And there can be an internet blocker at table just allow calls and txt??

[@ConsciousPoker]

Right, but would have to block internet on all devices, not just wifi via the casino. Hard sell it seems. The solver tells you the optimal play. You would just have to execute.

[@raoulduke2820]

Covid killed live poker for me. Before we had local games with $5-6 rake cap, now they are run by different people and don't even have rake caps. Only 1 of 2 local casinos opened poker back up, the rake cap went from $7 to $12 and the room never fills up like it used to. The FBI started raiding our local games right before that in 2019 so I don't think many people want to run a game for just a few hundred a night in profit. I think AI is a problem but we just can make rules that define it as cheating. And just deal with them like we would cheaters before. No cell phones at the table used to be a rule at one of my local casinos anyways so it's time to bring it back.

[@ConsciousPoker]

I agree it should be clearly defined, but cheaters break rules regardless. It's easier to ban cell phones than glasses and contact lenses

[@unilarry]

It's been years since I played online poker for this very reason. Internet and wifi blocking in the entire poker room seems the answer for now but how long before the casinos implement it? Some maybe never.

[@ConsciousPoker]

Good points.

[@JayakrishnanNairOmana]

You dont need an API from future, you can do this right now if you have an accomplice sitting in a room with a solver. You can livestream your hand and board, he can relay back the moves to your screen.

[@digitaldavid5633]

My buddy has the Meta glasses and they are insane. Next step is banning glasses. But, this is also a strong use case for pushing more glasses into the private underground where the game runner knows the group and can make sure the players aren't using assistance like this.

[@DanSteinbergPhotography-mf3tn]

Yeah, it seems to be like Wi-Fi , internet blocking is the answer. Still allow calls to get through

[@ConsciousPoker]

Would be interesting, but the internet is available on every cell phone, and in the future, those glasses. I'm not sure how we can ban that, but good idea if it can work.

[@Poker-in-VR]

Wifi to my eyeballs (via contacts in the future). What could go wrong?

[@NeuraPod]

This is an extremely obvious outcome for anyone who pays attention to technology and knows a smidge about poker. Once people have Neuralinks, we'll all hafta prove we're on airplane mode at the table.

[@kholkeholkepolke1135]

Simple, use counter surveillance technology. Run the players through a scanner and if they have anything electronic on them, they fork it over for the duration of the game.

[@eholmquist]

Fair concern, and frankly inevitable. I think first, if you’re caught, you’re banned from the casino for x-period (if not completely). Second, if the casino is going to offer Wi-Fi, they should be able to monitor traffic for any calls to solver apps, and pinpoint to a player location. Worst case, dead zones, no Internet on the floor.

[@matsjonsson1704]

This is almost correct. But Moreslaw is not a law, its an estiment. There is bottolnecks and direkt stopps. We can't make better batteries becuse of chemestry.

[@ShowMeGolden]

Wow. How can you be that savvy and spell that bad?

[@ianhaggerty384]

@@ShowMeGolden 🤣😂🤣

[@fastfunpokerjamie124]

They already have the device that tells the order of the cards and who’s going to win the next pot. So the real worry is you have glasses or contacts that can scan the cards and then tell you before hand if you’re deal the winner. Mix in some bad calls and you’ve got an impossible to detect God mode.

[@buentutor]

TLDR… 1) Jam WiFi frequencies 2) shorter shot clocks 3) Prior clearance of corrective lenses 4) independent review of play to look for suspicion 5) Delay in receiving winnings while under review 6) Strict sanctions up to and including a lifetime ban for usage 7) Eventually saturation will strip any advantage away because an advantage to all is an advantage to none

[@ShowMeGolden]

The WSOP doesn’t allow you to have your phone on the table and you can’t use it mid hand. Most casinos also won’t let you use your phone mid hand. As far as glasses ban them. And if you’re caught using them face the same consequences as anyone cheating at any other game.

[@Link1961]

Internet dead zones in poker rooms

[@alfonso-fu8if]

Conditions live gets worse and worse. Rake at 25 cap per Pot,10 bucks a drink, parking fee, entrance free.... How do you want to beat a local 2-4 game like this ,and its an official casino. And when we loose real money to digital money, its over anyway. I got a real job now after 30 years of poker live and online.

[@curtsheldon2655]

People are saying casinos would never allow this or they will block the internet. But is it the casinos responsibility to make sure people don't cheat at the poker table? I'm not sure casinos would spend the money to keep people from cheating.

[@btsdancestudio5691]

Alec...besides been a world class poker player and a good human being U are wicked smart my great mentor! Thanks. Interesting stuff man!

[@seangrover702]

People will still go allin blind for 2k at live poker. So glasses or not it’s pretty easy to know when you should call.

[@niels8195]

I've been saying this for almost 10 years. It's definitely coming at some point, but we might also have solutions by then

[@caliscratch-hunter]

Does the solver solve the bad beat and the one who get the river you have to be lucky that’s it you have to win your all in

[@LilGambling]

The solver makes the best play possible and over time that = winning unlimited money.

[@pvtglarson1]

I have to 1. drive/uber to the casino or poker room 2. there are real people who can physically do something to me if they chose 3. those people sometimes follow you home 4. i can be permanently banned from a real casino whenever they want even after i win a jackpot

[@DustyMacro]

When that technology exists I'd hope the poker room managers partner up with the security department and have a counter measure that scans video surveillance for signs of super-human optimal strategy. Any player orders of magnitude better than natural human can be banned and the other poker rooms sent a report.

[@LilGambling]

The poker dream has never been more out of reach.

[@mwsands9155]

I'm not sure about that. If you truly dedicate yourself to poker with the information that is now available, I believe you could crush the current poker scene. Could be wrong though. I'm not sure how high the quality of play is once you get passed the low level cash games. I'd imagine it's pretty terrible through at least $2/5 though.

[@LilGambling]

⁠@@mwsands9155you didn’t read what I said. Theirs no debate as to now being the most difficult time in poker.

[@LilGambling]

⁠​⁠@@mwsands9155you just denied the fact that poker has never been more difficult with your imagination. You admit you “don’t know” the current landscape and still claim it’s perfectly doable. You have no idea what your talking about. Excess rake is destroying the games and the players are overall much better than ever before Ie. Never been more out of reach. Which is my original comment. This is the hardest time for someone to win in poker. Theirs no debate about that, what I said is a fact not my imagination.

[@mwsands9155]

@@LilGambling aight

[@snorelex]

So what's your solution at the end of the day?

[@ConsciousPoker]

Somehow blocking wifi if that's possible. Looking to crowdsource!

[@CynicalCracker1]

whole room frequency jammers.....frequency insulate tourney and cash game rooms so you can only use cell phones/laptops/tablets in hallways and lots..... easy game 🤷‍♂

[@Ayomide92]

They can use all the technology assistance, mathematical percentages and psychology reads it's not enough to defeat a decent poker player.

[@HibiscusFlowerFC]

99% of players will simply choose not to cheat. The same goes for online poker. Plus getting caught and getting banned for life isn’t worth the risk. I don’t see this becoming much of a problem at all especially for live poker.

[@garygwinn5818]

I'm definitely convinced that we should ban ear pieces, sunglasses, and have lockers for our phones before we play. You don't need your phone

[@Fred-rg5vw]

Sounds aweeome. A way i can out play all the pros.

[@garygwinn5818]

Alec, 90% of people who play poker, will not gamble on their skill. They might deposit 50$ online to play 100 hours of poker, and thats a big risk. Live poker is BOOMING

[@elasticharmony]

If poker didnt die then dystopia would be possible, no glasses no contacts; no bad eye sight banned. Those using these means are "needy" and must be banned. But, poker hey that is a mere game and its financial limit is small , there could be massive use for that technology in robbery and thief.

[@JeffMartin84]

I think most people know this is coming. But, until its fully here people are just going to keep their heads buried in the sand. Its not like we havent already had cheating on poker streams without tech this advanced. Its just going to get worse.

[@basketballmaven1454]

you're overreacting. we're decades away from technology in contacts and by the time comes there will be technology to detect it. chill

[@ConsciousPoker]

Maybe a singular decade, but doubt it's multiple decades. The technology in sunglasses will already be an issue and take time to mitigate against. That seems around the corner.

[@LilGambling]

No, this is happening now! Vibrating chip protectors, ear pieces, smart glasses relaying GTO sims is possible right now! And the rabbit hole goes far deeper than that

[@basketballmaven1454]

@@ConsciousPoker humans are decades away from nano tech

[@basketballmaven1454]

@@LilGambling with obvious tech that's easy to spot yeah, but tech in contacts? humans are decades from that level of tech. tech inside a contact? that's basically nano tech and humans decades away from that. don't be fooled by all the crap on the internet saying how advanced humans are and where humans will be in the next decade, they're just trying to get views and likes

[@LilGambling]

@@basketballmaven1454I said glasses not contacts. Reread my comment and stop denying the current reality of poker. If your so confident, what exactly is stopping someone from cheating using “smart watch/glasses/phone”? Il wait. They literally sell fake phones and watches that are rfid hack devices that read all the cards on the table. And that is available since at least 2019 stop trying to deny the facts.

[@xHaddix]

Alec has been smoking that good shit but that aside what youre saying is true

[@ConsciousPoker]

I don't smoke, but I think what I'm saying is likely going to be a possibility soon.

[@LilGambling]

You think cheating is no big deal? How would you feel if someone bought your hand histories and made a max exploit GTO bot to take all your money? I don’t think you understand how poker as a game is being damaged by people breaking the rules with technology.

[@hawktangerine405]

i'm more concerned about eventually having brain implants where you can download the solver to the brain

[@ConsciousPoker]

I agree, although I think the glasses come first so I focused on that. Gauging from the feedback, many think it's not an issue, even though the technology is already here. I felt like going with implants would lose the audience lol.

[@idarwish23]

that is why online is 100x harder than live

[@derbo416]

if technology does get to that point, then theres gotta be some technology to combat against it

[@edb7742]

Block WiFi access and hand held devices in poker rooms.

[@daveg5590]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on my comment. To consider that a tournament wouldn't just ban all sunglasses is a wild oversight. To assume AI contact lenses, connected to the internet, is only around the corner, is an immature and far fetched concern. Have you considered that if and when this eventuates, actual people won't even be in a physical room together, rather virtual reality? In which case, would lean more towards an "online" environment anyway, where solvers are already used by some - to little advantage, if any. Even if and when this happens, you could wear a hat, hood, glasses, makeup, mask and let AI try to read that. In my experience, current solvers don't even provide a satisfactory success rate either, certainly not a rate that is greater than my own intuition. Slow down mate, perhaps lay off Black Mirror for a while... It's all good!

[@ConsciousPoker]

I think solvers play better than most humans, and using a solver is a huge advantage. I'm speaking of GTOWizard and PIO specifically, the gold standard. People will always want to play poker live. To think we're going to live in a virtual reality full time and neglect all human contact and interaction is also a bit naive IMHO. I see it's a controversial take, and I hope I'm wrong. We'll see how it plays out. Thanks for the discourse and response!

[@ihavecrabs56]

why ban it? what would the future look like if we embrace this technology and everyone had access to it?

[@gscgold]

I don't need my phone while I'm playing poker in fact I shut it off. But I'm Gen X I like technology I use it all the time I grew up with technology but In my opinion if you need solvers to help you play poker in real time then you shouldn't play poker, You can't use your own experience and intellect without it then you're the problem

[@_Coffee4Closers]

Without watching the obvious click bait video, the answer is NO!

[@ConsciousPoker]

Very insightful :)

[@_Coffee4Closers]

@@ConsciousPoker I have my moments.

[@dennymirante7439]

No phone or sun glasses at tables

[@michaelb5355]

Internet jammer in poker room.... Just like no cameras in the old days .....

[@slicks46]

what's the point of beeing a poker player but all you do is what your computer/solver tells you to do? where's the fun in that kind of a game...? (or any game) if that's the future then all playes would just need to pay for a program and send it to play in there behalf and the all thing will become cumputer vs other computers and that is the death of poker...

[@joemobley8380]

Sorry Alec, online is not "live poker" and I hope they all learn how to cheat which moves the game back to actual live poker.

[@johnnysolid22]

They could have a neurolink chip in there head also

[@ConsciousPoker]

Totally.

[@MacPokerMaster]

wow that's very interesting! I never thought of or new that was possible. One of the big arguments for AI safety is we can build AI also to counter the bad things that people use AI for, so couldn't we build an AI to counter the cheating?

[@ConsciousPoker]

Let's hope!

[@Lewissummerson]

Easy answer ban glasses no?

[@thewrongaccount608]

You can't ban glasses. You can check them for advanced tech but not ban them you'd have blind players. 😂

[@Lewissummerson]

@@thewrongaccount608 better action 😅

[@brandondorsey7204]

I tell you when you make good videos, so I have to tell you when you make bad videos. This was legit a bad and click baity video. If you're the type who fancies himself a technologist as a hobbyist, fine, but this video was legit bad and just pure speculation. Not even good speculation because you don't have the knowledge and expertise to actually give a probabilistic range on when this would be available and what specific things from a technological perspective would be needed to get there. If you had included that info, then it would have been a good video. Without that this was useless speculation.

[@LilGambling]

Speculation? You must be in denial. Lots of top players can’t even play online anymore because the regs have custom software that max exploits their hand histories for more EV than GTO. As for live poker as Alec said, Smart Glasses Technology is troublesome for a fair game because it can literally project this information to the wearer of the glasses. You have to understand that your hand histories are sold online and anyone can purchase them. No punishment for literally cheating from certain poker sites and certain Live venues ENABLES cheating. This is only surface level cheating you have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes with stables,collusion and more! I’m tired of all these apologists for the cheaters and colluders ruining poker for everybody.

[@ConsciousPoker]

I've spent a lot of time researching this, and this is my take. I did explain Moore's Law, but tried to keep it short without going too much into tech. You don't think this is a possibility?

[@Buz-Lunch-Punx]

Technology in poker is a legitimate topic. Yes, the title is clickbait, but its the internet. What do you expect lol If Alec takes the time to make a video then its perfectly reasonable for him to do what he can to attract as many viewers as possible Alec is giving more than just speculating here, he is suggesting RTA could enter live poker in the coming years.....this is a reasonable thing to say Alec clearly wants to have a discussion, you should add your views on when and if you think RTA in live poker will become a real problem

[@brandondorsey7204]

@@ConsciousPoker you're an entrepreneur and a content creator, so you're fully aware that the market place does not care how much time you worked on something. The market only cares about value. Your premise is that live poker will be in danger of being dead within five years because of either a head set or contact lens that can connect with a solver. If you spent a lot of time researching this and the only thing that you shared in the post to demonstrate that research is Moore's law then that's very weak. What those who work in tech and product development in general understand is that there is a large difference between something being technologically feasible and something being at a point to be delivered to the mass market as a product. You've done this research so you're well aware of projected mineral shortages related to key inputs for these tech components. That came up in your research correct? How would that impact your 2-5 year timeline that you provided in the video? Beyond the potential material shortage, what would be the likely pricing of the tech when it first becomes feasible? Is it at a price point that large tech players would be comfortable investing in day one of feasibility? I'm assuming this also came up during your research correct? I'm not trying to be an ass, but I really want to highlight why its annoying and frustrating when content creators step outside their realm of competence and create bad content. This was bad. You broke trust with your audience by overstepping and creating bad content. I'm subbed because I like you and have gotten value from your channel. I very rarely type out feedback for creators but I believe that you are capable of taking feedback and improving. I hope that you see the points that I've made. If not, thank you for all of your past content that helped me become better at poker.

[@ant-pk8bx]

Were over 10yr away from this being a threat imo

[@ConsciousPoker]

We'll see. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[@LilGambling]

Nope. They already have cheating devices disguised as phones/watches/coins etc for sale online. Have been available for sale for many years. Don’t be in denial.

[@ryanjohnston8237]

Will always be a game of cops and robbers.

[@Bennyray4]

😂 ok bro

[@bernster123]

Hmm live solvers banned, unless you’re heads up in the 2024 Main event 😮. Let’s all just hook up our AIs to play against each other and go do something else instead😢

[@dennymirante7439]

Contacts ?? No way over reacting

[@coreyp9072]

The title alone is enough for an unfollow, you obviously don't know what you're talking about

[@doinitlive3015]

Big blind ante killed poker tournaments both online and live. The dumbest thing ever.

[@ConsciousPoker]

I think BB ante dramatically improved poker tournaments. Why do you think it killed it?

[@doinitlive3015]

@@ConsciousPoker I get that it speeds up the game by collecting the antes from only one player instead of from 8,9, or 10 players. But 2 big blinds is a large part of a player's stack especially if they have less than 20 big blinds. It only speeds up players busting and reentering during the rebuy/reentry period. That's why there are so many "unlimited reentry" tournaments nowadays with long late registration periods and less time during levels, and not that many freezeouts anymore. Look at most tournaments with 20 or 30 minutes levels, especially live. Imo it's rare to get to see many hands in a given level unless you have a fast dealer. The 20/30minute levels, the big blind + ante, long late reg period, "unlimited reentries", I'm sure it was made to quickly put more money into tournament directors/casinos pockets without realizing it's hurting the game and turning live poker into donkfests and turning players into ATMs. I also want to add how ridiculous it is to post these big blind+antes during the first levels of a tournament. Again, it's made to speed up the process of transferring more money into casinos/TDs.

[@doinitlive3015]

Dont know why it deleted my comment. I basically said that its too much of for a stack of less than 20 big blinds. I think it was made to speed up the process of players busting, because of 20/30 minutes levels, and unlimited reentries structure, thats why there arent many freezeouts anymore. It was made to out more money into casinos and tournament directors. Posting Big blind plus ante especially during the first levels is ridiculous. Again, they just want to speed up the process and turn players into ATMs.

[@ConsciousPoker]

@@doinitlive3015 I don't think it's nefarious, but rather for accuracy and to speed up the game. Getting 10-20% more hands is quite a big upgrade to tournament poker. Antes per player would cause many arguments during the game as well. Overall, I think the pros outweigh the cons, but I do see your point.

[@eeefox1]

If you need a computer to tell you how to play poker, youre not very good anyway

[@ConsciousPoker]

That's like saying that top chess players aren't good because they are using computers to help them. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle though. Poker was more pure of a game when humans had to use brut experience to "figure it out" because there were greater barriers to achieve skill (work) and you had to have more street smarts and sense of the game. I wrote an article called "Did Solvers Ruin Poker" which explains this further for PokerNews.

[@eeefox1]

@@ConsciousPoker i dont reckon a computer could beat the best players, only rubbish ones

[@ConsciousPoker]

@@eeefox1 It already has. Can look up Liberatus and the battle between humans and AI. Happened years ago. Match wasn't even close.

[@eeefox1]

@@ConsciousPoker interesting. I'd beat it though 😅

[@CribNotes]

Moore's Law does not apply to brick n mortar human endeavors. Live poker will survive.