This Would Fix The AWFUL Rareware and Nintendo Coin - Donkey Kong 64

[@superjoebros64]

These required coins are so brutal! What would you do differently?

[@iamwhoiam7887]

make them not exist lmao

[@johnkrejsa517]

Maybe have the final boss key be hidden behind a gauntlet of five mini bosses (one for each Kong). Each Kong can go into a room and use their skills to beat each mini boss to unlock a chamber that holds the boss key.

[@HearthausToledo641]

Mine would just put the eighth key in K. ROOL'S chair. Have the 2 banana fairies behind the coins while making the DK game award both with a win.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

The coins should’ve been used to unlock a final cheat, something that would make going for them actually worth it, like invincibility and boosted speed for each Kong. Would make future playthroughs FAR more bearable. Especially the races with the wretched rabbit and evil beetle. I say the battle crowns should’ve been used to get the final key instead.

[@Shadowzero4]

If I was in the dev team and my boss told me that it would be required to get those coins, I would make it so that only one of the two coins was required. Either one, so the player had a choice. While the Diddy Cabin was the golden banana that took me the longest to get, the Nintendo coin was hell to get.

[@Greg-Storm]

My dad said he used to play it in the arcade with my mother years ago. Naturally, when my dad seen it was in DK64 when I was a kid, he wanted to play it. Little me couldn't do hard mode so I gave it to him, optimistically expecting him to be sloppy and take a while but no kidding, he beat hard mode first try. After that me and my dad played it for hours in the mini game section of the main menu, he showed me a lot of tips and witnessed the game difficulty reset after he hit lvl75 or something like that. After that experience I never really had a problem playing this section again, my dad seasoned me to it and to this day, my dad still has the hi-score on my N64 cartridge

[@MrMariosonicman]

your dad is an absolute legend.

[@superjoebros64]

Heck yeah that's awesome! W dad right here

[@remilia20xx78]

Rareware Coin: Not super challenging, but a little stressful Nintendo Coin: Death and Despair

[@superjoebros64]

😭😭😭 perfectly described

[@ShinigamiSparda]

Indeed. I got the Rareware coin my first try. The N64 coin cause me to drop the game and come back to beat it later... *10 YEARS LATER*

[@chompythebeast]

I don't really think putting Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong was anything but rad in the 90s. This game was meant to stay in your console for months. The gaming landscape changed, DK64 didn't. That's obvious, but like, apparently it bears repeating

[@Luigi_Main3752]

This thing was the bane of my family's existence for 14 freaking years. All play throughs we had DIED to this thing.

[@MrKideon]

And to this day I the only on in my family to do twice once for the banana once for the coin on the same day and beat it. yes the comment above and me are related. That's the only time I beat this stupid thing.

[@derrinerrow4369]

I think one of the worst things about the DK arcade game challenge is that unlike the normal version of the arcade game, which can be played in the bonus menu, The version in Frantic Factory forces you to do it with ONE LIFE, instead of the normal 3 lives. meaning a single mistake can take a while to get back to where you were considering you have to pull the lever every time you need to restart and then work back to where you were. Not to mention you have to beat the game a second time on a harder difficulty, still with one life, to actually get the coin. Thank god they didn't force you to go through the first loop of the game when doing the Nintendo Coin challenge. Jetpac is much easier in comparison since there are no changes to the base game, 3 lives and only needing to beat the challenge once. All you need to do is get 5k points, I just stayed on the first level grinding enemies and gathering the bonus items for the points.

[@MelancholyJoker19]

And collect the coin. You could get 5000 points and die before the coin comes down for you to collect it

[@X2011racer]

You can still get 1ups in Donkey Kong Arcade by getting a high enough score. That's easier said than done if you are not good at the game. Here's some tips: 1. Go for the items from 50M onwards. They give you bonus points. 2. Don't ignore the Hammers; if you can get a good chain going with a Hammer, you can rack up a lot of points. 3. Speedrun strategies from the NES version will not work as the obstacles move faster in the Arcade version. Don't take risks.

[@LevelUpLeo]

Yeah, that part really confuses me. If they left in the 3 lives, I think a lot more people would see the challenge as tough, but fair. You'd at least have time to get familiar with what mistakes you can or can't make. Getting to 75M and then dying from a fall, then getting reset completely is so depressing, I totally get the rage at that.

[@superjoebros64]

I'll never understand this! They shouldn't have changed how many lives you start with. I've tried stacking up points to gain more lives in the past, but sometimes I die just trying to do that lol. I'd rather just go for it with one life

[@mehdotmeh]

​@@X2011racerIronic isn't it? The player capable of getting enough points for the one up is often the one who least needs it.

[@Roboshi2007]

just a small correction,; Jetpac is not an arcade game, it's a ZX Spectrum game. The ZX Spectrum being a home computer system.

[@blippblob]

I'll do the opposite: imagine having to get these 2 coins only to then reveal behind the coin door was one final mini game barrel to get the last key....and the game is beaver bother

[@Miku4xbot]

WELCOME TO BONUS STAGE

[@superjoebros64]

oh gosh 😂

[@ChaosMaelstrom]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@andrewnathan2903]

Are you a glutton for punishment?

[@redchief94]

@andrewnathan2903 He just wants to inflict this on others. I would cry if this was the ending to a randomizer that takes me weeks to finish.

[@Oneiroclast]

I think a much simpler solution could work. Just swap the rewards. Normal mode gets the coin, hard mode gets the golden banana.

[@SuperPwnageBoi69]

a person who thinks all the time

[@superjoebros64]

Whatever it takes to beat the game

[@NewZen41]

@4:43 I see what you did there, and I am 100% glad that someone remembers that gag from his Bubsy vid. Subbed.

[@superjoebros64]

genuinely thrilled that people caught this 😂

[@SurandeDadstorm]

Perfect opportunity to include Krusha in the story mode as a mini boss Also the reward for winning is the last 2 banana fairies

[@DigiMega351]

Or that big red Klaptrap from that cutscene.

[@superjoebros64]

that'd be really cool! would love to see Krusha in the story somehow

[@haunterghostpoison4651]

That arcade is the sole reason I haven't beaten the game

[@superjoebros64]

It's cool but the worst 😭

[@terriblyterrified8742]

4:07 WHY DIDN'T THEY USE 25M AS THE STAGE INSTEAD? IT'S SO MUCH MORE ICONIC I DON'T UNDERSTAND NINTENDO WHY

[@superjoebros64]

SERIOUSLY 😂 this one really puzzles me lol

[@shadowlinkbds]

My thoughts exactly

[@nfugitt89]

I think they wanted a challenging/chaotic moving stage

[@mightybear5441]

I despise 75m in Super Smash LMAO It's the only time I've ever blacklisted a stage from random select. I would rather play on any stage than 75m

[@Duskool]

They literally could've used any other DK stage and it would've been a much better experience. But i can understand it, after all it spawned in the same game where other such blemishes that dare to call themselves fight stages also spawned (New Pork City and Rumble Falls)

[@jfei64]

As a kid I played the entirety of Donkey Kong '94 for the game boy and since I had beaten it I was very confident when my friend mentioned he was having issue with the DK64 Arcade game part and I basically said "No sweat, I can beat it for you." When I tried that's when I learned I had been playing a a greatly improved remake that was nothing like the original Donkey Kong arcade game. Got a really nasty shock when I tried to do a side flip and hand stand and nothing happened. Then I got an even nastier shock when I fell like 2 inches and died. I was not able to beat it for him :( . I did get DK64 a decade later and beat it then.

[@superjoebros64]

oooh nooo that's brutal 😭

[@moonjelly5]

The Gameboy game did have fall damage, but it wasn't as severe and had fun animations.

[@randmperson2]

Honestly, it’s the fall damage that I hate the most. That happened to me during an early playthough and I couldn’t believe it.

[@TheJacksontoy]

Not just that, but Mario dies from like a 2 mm drop. It’s asinine.

[@superjoebros64]

I'm still in utter shock. HOW is that a thing??

[@droth1031]

​@@superjoebros64because that's how it worked in the original game. 80s arcade games were specifically designed to eat quarters.

[@Fenyx_Birb]

Turns out that design really only worked on said arcade game :D

[@FreeAimDog]

mario dying when he jumps caught me off guard because i played the gameboy version of this game first and they removed that a bit, you can still die from long jumps but reasonable ones you can get away with. gameboy version was just better in general it had worlds instead of 3 levels on repeat.

[@CoinBox170]

4:38 "They put falling damage in their mothereffin 2D platformer?!"

[@superjoebros64]

😂

[@DetournementArc]

Should have had the two couns gate off Playable Krusha in the main game

[@domesticus2958]

I like that idea. I miss secret unlockable characters in games.

[@superjoebros64]

that'd be amazing!

[@BoMor-453]

JetPac was alright for the most part as it was pretty forgiving to get the Rareware coin, plus you only had to do it once. As for the DK Arcade, lets just say its stuff like this why they invented Save States... They shouldn't have been made mandatory to complete the main story though, maybe give some other optional reward like playing as Krushaa in the main story mode or something. Also to this day I'll never understand why Sakurai included 75m into Smash and not the miles more iconic (and appealing looking) 25m to represent the DK Arcade game.

[@superjoebros64]

agreed all around! Getting Krusha would have been really cool and worth the challenge

[@JaredTVW]

You can avoid the springs that fall down and the second flame on the third level, you just have to jump on the second elevator near the top then immediately run and jump to where Mario is at 4:53 definitely can still be a run killer, but then you only have one more hard spot before the fourth level.

[@superjoebros64]

I can never quite time it right 😭

[@omicron3012]

For a mini boss in Hideout helm, there’s this giant red klaptrap shown in the cutscene before Creepy castle that never appears after. It could be guarding the final boss key. I imagine K Rool being devious enough to set this as a trap for the Kongs, knowing they are after the keys.

[@superjoebros64]

Honestly that'd be great! Wish we got to see it more

[@gustavofelipesabrito7365]

That fall damage is outrageous, if you land a single pixel below the platform you've jumped from, you die, and guess what? They're elevators, which make them MOVE UP AND DOWN! This was very frustrating on my childhood.

[@superjoebros64]

the devs were evil for this one 😭

[@davidthecommenter]

you'd think the common man could survive a drop from 16 pixels but apparently arcade mario just couldn't until he went into plumbing

[@matthewvandyk7773]

My father used to hang out in Arcades im his youth. He claims he had the high score for Mis PacMan at his Arcade. Anyways he beat down both Jetpack and Donkey Kong Arcade within a few minutes as he mastered both games in his youth. So getting these coins was no problem as a kid for my brothers and I. Plus my dad made sure we all mastered the Donkey Kong game. My dad even bought a 3rd party Arcase stick controller for playing DKA in DK 64.

[@FreeAimDog]

too bad he never played donkey kong on gameboy, that one is the best version since it has so much chapters i never got to beat it as a kid i think i made it to 6-2. id like to play it again someday but i might emulate it.

[@superjoebros64]

that's incredible! W dad right here

[@chompythebeast]

Rad Dad alert, that's awesome

[@Canti89]

Skill issue.

[@superjoebros64]

Fair 😂

[@shen_valor]

Bruh 😂

[@asra-5180]

And what do you call someone that's stuck there for days? I think that's an obvious no matter what you try, you cannot get *ever* good.

[@JoanSlugXAkaJerkyBogard]

Git Gud.

[@BlinksAwakening]

I mean I've beaten the DK arcade game many times in my life, but I swear, the way it controls in DK64 is somehow worse, took me far longer to beat it in DK64 than it ever has in any of my many other wins of the game. Genuine question: have you played it in DK64 or are you only assuming it's a full 1:1 experience? Because I am nearly certain that it is not.

[@erikondrums]

Those coins are the reason why it took me around 10 years to beat the final boss.

[@superjoebros64]

noooo that's rough 😭

[@jamiethedinosaur869]

Try 19 years for me.

[@Adrienne_Quelle]

Fun fact: on my childhood DK64 cart, I have 100%. Not 101%! 100%. Everything else of note, 200 golden bananas… and 1/2 coins. I was able to get the banana fairies in the room locked by the coins by just peeking through the window- which got me the “201st” banana. But I never beat DK arcade nor DK64, because whoever decided to make it a ***SINGLE LIFE CHALLENGE*** has a special place in hell waiting for them. It’s called Beaver Bother. That’s the hell they’re going to.

[@superjoebros64]

no way 😭 so close to a full completion! you can do it!

[@ChristopherGrisolia]

The DK arcade segment was the bane of my existence for 20 years, if I were to change it I would just include the first second and final level and remove the third and not let the player die after the first hit

[@superjoebros64]

agreed! there's zero room for mistakes. Not a very forgiving challenge!

[@RenegadeGamer89]

I had an idea for a new character in a remake of this game named Kollector. He's a rich Kremling who loves Banana Coins. He would sell both the Rareware and Nintendo Coins so it's an alternate way to get them. Other ideas I had for things he would sell: 1. Bonus Barrel Freebie Tickets 2. His own Golden Bananas 3. Addition Melons 4. A Tag Anywhere type of item. In addition he would have his own collectible for you to get, gems that Krushas have. 1 in each level as well as DK Isles.

[@superjoebros64]

this is a cool idea! I'd be interested in it

[@RenegadeGamer89]

@superjoebros64 well it gives incentive to actually collect all the Banana Coins. You really only need maybe 20% of them so at the end they're not useful.

[@guaskoqizz]

0:15 "Nobody appreciates these two coins" Me: That's why I'm so lonely 😭😭

[@TheSwordsman100]

You're not alone! Its nice to find another fan of them.

[@superjoebros64]

😭

[@Hugelag]

I love games within games, so I don't want to remove them. How about making them a bonus, each with their own special upgrades? That way they're not required, but there's still an incentive.

[@superjoebros64]

I can fully support this! I agree, games within games are a great mechanic and feature.

[@timtanium7074]

I didn't mind it very much but I am biased because A) I only played DK64 once and recently too, so I just wanted the coin just to have it and B) I have played quite a bit of the original DK arcade game so I knew the "tricks of the trade" so to speak. I was surprised to see that both the N64 and Rare coin were required. If I was a kid playing DK64 in the early 2000's I'd definitely agree with you more lol.

[@asra-5180]

I'll be that one person, DK OG just looks uninteresting to me. Games like that is what I *DON'T* play. I'd rather be forced to finish the original Dragon Quest. Atleast then I'd have a fun time.

[@superjoebros64]

dang I really need to learn more about any tricks to this challenge

[@escopeto7849]

We gamers have been forced to replay 75m so frequently, it might as well have Totaka's Song in it Superb review! JonTron joke FTW!🏅

[@superjoebros64]

It's torture 😭 So glad you like the Jontron reference haha

[@00yiggdrasill00]

I would still keep them required, but set them behind a boss each. You're going into Krool which is a gauntlet fight, so a couple of bosses to make sure you really know the moves is a good idea.

[@superjoebros64]

not a bad idea!

[@MoundN]

I loved the bit at 4:43 especially because the line before sounded SO familiar. Good one!

[@superjoebros64]

I try 😁 glad you caught it

[@CleaveTheDragon]

5:06 what you want to do is not run to the ladder directly, but go left past it to the next point where the spring arcs over mario. Then as it passes you, you can start going right to the ladder and have more time to climb up it compared to the other spot you're trying from.

[@superjoebros64]

THANK YOU! Finally some tips in the comments! I'll certainly keep this in mind for next time.

[@Trimint123]

You forgot to mention that in the DK Arcade, they expect you to beat the whole segment in one life. So if you haven't get any extra lifes yet from scoring, you died and had to start over.

[@Hainaut183]

I think the most jarring thing about the Donkey Kong Arcade is how primitive the controls are, particularly in the context of a late '90s 3D platformer. Jumpman feels like a senile old man, what with his poor speed, weak jump, post-jump delay, and inability to fall a few inches without breaking his bones.

[@superjoebros64]

awful controls!

[@94masterofpuppets]

@4:43 what would a platformer be like without platforms?

[@FeNite8]

One thing about Jetpac: if you fill the rocket and fly to the second stage, the game becomes much harder. Since you only needs points for the coin, just stay on the first stage. Dont focus on the rocket.

[@superjoebros64]

Definitely just farm enough points in the first stage! I kind of wish the Nintendo coin was like that too for the arcade.

[@jeynarl]

3:25 regarding the jetpack controls, gonna mention this since I didn't see you doing it if this is your footage. Hold Z to hold a hovering height. Very helpful to prevent the constant up/down (pro-tip: it borrows from diddy's jetpack Z button hover)

[@superjoebros64]

definitely, great tip! the controls feel a little wacky at first but once you find the sweet spot it isn't that bad.

[@thetombuck]

For a developer made up of sadistic game design geniuses, compulsory DK arcade was the most sadistic thing Rare ever did

[@superjoebros64]

Seriously 😂

[@Redvox57]

My suggestion is to make donkey Kong also score based. The coin be score based, and completing the levels gets you the banana. Also cut out the fade in and out screen with dks slow af lever pull as well. Just have it where it automatically fades to black interacting with it again, or just offer a retry screen on failure. Even if it just keeps the one life that would be significantly better, but I'd also wish they'd just give you 3 lives for it.

[@Redvox57]

As a kid me and a friend would play jetpack and giggle at the electronic fart sounds the game makes and it's on of my fondest dk64 memories funny enough. Something that's wild to me is you get access to both those coins at the same time in the game, but they knew it would be so hard to get both of them they made it a skill check at the end of helm. Even with FF gauntlet platforming difficulty increase it's wild they put one of the hardest challenges in dk64 in level 3. They could've even made it that if you pay extra coins you get an extra life or something, anything to make it slightly easier. To this day I've never beaten the DK arcade on vanilla hardware, I hate it that much

[@superjoebros64]

I like all of these ideas! Score based would go a long way. the original 3 lives would go a long way too!

[@raphael1622]

Honestly this is one of the reasons why I've decided I don't want to replay this game any time soon. I was a huge fan of this game when I was a teenager, but now looking back I see that nostalgia was the reason I used to really enjoy this game. But nowadays I just can't, not only does this game have a lot of collectibles, it also forces the player to collect these two coins, which are a pain in the a**, to beat the game. These two minigames aren't nearly close to fun, they only made me extremely furious and that's it. Idek why the creators of this game thought it would be a good idea to prevent players from beating the game by forcing them to have collected those coins, but that's just not it

[@superjoebros64]

I think it's time to start using glitches 😂

[@YouNoob93]

My main issue is that I thought there was an end to the jetpack game. I kept grinding and grinding trying to build the space ship to go the next world, even after I had gotten the Rareware coin. That second level is pure terror. Don't think I ever made it past that

[@superjoebros64]

Oh gosh, that's maddening 😅 I don't think I've ever seen the end

[@sithlordmikeyp]

0:15 To the two coins: I appreciate you, Barnacle Man! I recall spending a lot of time in FF playing the DK Arcade. It was tough as a kid but I remember loving it. As an adult, I don't find it too tough to get the Nintendo coin and am kinda surprised the reputation it has. I also remember playing Jetpac for hours in the DK Bonus section- it was so fun back then!

[@superjoebros64]

great reference 😂

[@Scorpionspear77]

If you had to make the arcade games required, I would have it be abridged versions- you get the Golden Banana by beating 25m, and then Squawks tells you that the final level will give you the Nintendo Coin. You pull the lever again, and you get skipped to 100m. You still gotta do it in one life each, but you don’t have to struggle through the whole arcade game. You can do that in the extras if you want to.

[@superjoebros64]

I'd be cool with this setup!

[@groundbeef2]

The thing about arcade Donkey Kong is that once you clear it for the first time for the coin, subsequent playthroughs only have you adapting to the mobile flames on stage 2 and 4... I had a lot more trouble with Jetpac until I realized that it's easier to zip across the screen and grab all the parts/fuel instead of trying to take it slow and careful.

[@superjoebros64]

Zipping around Jetpac is so satisfying 😁

[@mattb6522]

Good video! I _hated_ these coins as a kid. I agree it is one thing to have these as fun optional challenges, but to make them _required_ to beat the game is absurd! Level 3 in Donkey Kong was an absolute nightmare! I always sweat bullets when I reached the top and had to time avoiding that stupid spring! It also took me awhile to get a handle on the loose controls in Jetpac as you just had so much flying at you that it was sometimes difficult to react to the enemies. I like the idea of having these two coins unlock something optional, like you said. Maybe have them each unlock a new mode, new multiplayer character, or even a secret cheats menu. I mean, I don't mind the Donkey Kong arcade game, but doing a ridiculous challenge like hard mode should not prevent the average player from actually completing the game. As much as I love Rare, they sometimes had some really questionable game design at times.

[@superjoebros64]

Seriously though 😭 I love their inclusion to this game but not the requirement. Even something like cheat codes would be cool and worth it haha

[@Team_Orchid]

I heard once that the DK Arcade was improperly ported and that the springs don't launch themselves at the player correctly, leading to them not having a good pattern. Given how much of a cave game DK64 is, I wouldn't be surprised if this was accurate.

[@superjoebros64]

Wow, I feel this must be accurate!

[@TitanAEX4]

I'd honestly argue that the worst part of these coins is something that you didn't really mention (as far as I could tell, anyway): Until you get to the coin door, *_THERE IS NOTHING IN THE GAME THAT TELLS YOU THESE COINS ARE REQUIRED._* Oh, sure, we know about it _now,_ but back in 1999, when the game was first released? Kids who just wanted to see the ending would be speeding merrily along, doing only the bare minimum needed to get through the levels, only to be confronted with a door that won't open without the coins. In the end, it's just a bunch of godawful tedium that made us pull our hair out - mostly due to the Donkey Kong Arcade's one-life limit.

[@superjoebros64]

Exactly this! There's a bit of dialogue with Cranky about the Rare coin. And practically nothing for the N coin. That's awful!

[@bekker3544]

You were randomly suggested to me by the algorithm... but I'm liking what I'm seeing so far! Finished your "worst golden banana" video before coming here. Keep going - good voice, good commentary, fine editing! Fun fact: I didn't understand what was going on with the two coins. I just randomly played the Rare game and unlocked that coin... but then accidentally missed Cranky's dialogue after, and (wrongly) thought he said if I got a higher score, I could get the Nintendo coin. So... never beat DK64 as a kid lol. Truly, a terrible idea for completing the main game...

[@superjoebros64]

awesome! welcome! glad you're enjoying this series 😁 I just can't believe how hidden these coins are. Not the best dialogue or hints.

[@49gamer51]

4:36 love the JonTron reference I am a big fan of the classics

[@superjoebros64]

Heck yeah 😁 real ones know

[@BassEXE]

The Rareware coin was leagues easier than the Nintendo coin. The harder version of DK arcade was way too hard for me as a kid. Took me several tries before I finally did it.

[@superjoebros64]

seriously though. it's so unfair

[@donkarasu-9644]

When I first played the game on the Wii U (VC), getting the Nintendo Coin was almost my breaking point of resorting to use the built-in save state. Didn't do that, and finally beat it.

[@superjoebros64]

I would absolutely use save states here haha

[@Aaahrg]

These two shity coins are the reason I only was able to beat the game TWENTY years later.

[@ChristopherGrisolia]

Me Too

[@superjoebros64]

that's awful 😭

[@TheRealPentiumMMX]

I remember having a lot of fun with Jetpac, while with the DK Arcade game, I quickly learned that my experience playing the Atari 2600 port wasn't enough to prepare myself for the horrors that awaited me trying to get the Nintendo Coin. So many hours of frustration as a kid, knowing I finished Hideout Helm but couldn't get to the final boss until I finish that arcade game. I did eventually pull it off, but always felt it was unnecessary to take what could have just been a neat bonus minigame and turn it into a mandatory part of the game.

[@superjoebros64]

Agreed! If it was a neat bonus that gave us something like Krusha or cheat codes, we'd be far more forgiving

[@ChaosMaelstrom]

I agree with every part of this video, while the beetle, rabbit, and Beaver Bother were what killed my hopes of reaching full completion as a kid, the monstrosity of the DK arcade game is what kept me from reaching the end of the game. It doesn't give me much trouble anymore, but as a kid I remember sitting down with my dad and enlisting him in my crusade to get that damn Nintendo Coin, and that horrible feeling when we found out we only got the EASY reward was just crushing. Over the years I've gotten good enough to where while 75m used to give me all the trouble (because of the last dash to Pauline), nowadays 25m gives me more trouble due to the unpredictability of the barrels halfway up.

[@superjoebros64]

legend dad right here!

[@BollyBibby]

It was 2005 and I was 13 when I finally beat the DK arcade. My brother and I had already had DK64 for a few years when I decided to go back practice the arcade game til I figured it out. I remember only getting a golden banana for it the first time. Rather than giving up, I figured I beat it once, so I could beat it again. And I did! The very next time, if I recall.

[@superjoebros64]

feels great to accomplish it!

[@AceAngelPrincess]

One tip for the third level to avoid the Springs near the end at the top: run to the left of the ladder. There's a small space that the Spring jumps over. I know it's tempting to finish the level by climbing the ladder as fast as possible - and that's exactly how I've lost a lot of times with just one pixel interaction from the Spring!

[@superjoebros64]

Agreed! I've tried this a few times and just can't time out when to climb the last ladder

[@KingConnor523]

I wouldn’t mind having physical versions of the coins. Getting them from old games in the game was unique but there’s no way to really know you should be looking for them. It also felt odd that only 15 medals were needed and they don’t serve any other purpose afterwards

[@superjoebros64]

Yeah that's a good point! Pretty pointless after 15

[@mercenarymaster6937]

I FINALLY DID THIS.... If we get this game on the NSO collection, I can use the Save/Load function to get past it again.

[@StarryKnightPinkle]

Wait a minute! Does that mean if you run out of banana coins, you be permanently soft locked from beating the game, because you were unable to collect the Nintendo coin? 😱

[@Ballaam]

No, it only costs 2 coins to play the first attempt. All subsequent attempts are free

[@StarryKnightPinkle]

@ oh thank god!

[@MrMariosonicman]

@@Ballaam it really is a strange amount to ask for. but I suppose its to reference how much playing would of actually cost in the arcade.

[@shadowlinkbds]

If that happened I would rage even more but thankfully no. Just two and the other tries are free.

[@superjoebros64]

I was afraid of that too, relieved to know that's not the case

[@switchtalent123]

Suggestion for fixing it, I think what you said is perfect. Have the door lead to a non required room and put something juicy and exclusive behind it. Maybe even place the door in a different spot near the beginning and it’ll let you skip the whole level or something. Maybe it’s a weapon that one shots king k.

[@superjoebros64]

Having that weapon would be crazy fun 😂

[@justcallmekaito]

Move the coins to Crystal Caves (Rare) and Creepy Castle (Nintendo), move the arcade cabinet to Cranky as a 20+ banana medal reward, and have no collectables in either game since they should feel like a reward.

[@grimTales1]

Having to pay with bananas if you wanted to play the Donkey Kong game again is just fricking ridiculous

[@superjoebros64]

I'm relieved to know it's a 1 time purchase, but that's still a little crazy haha

[@2l84me8]

4:45 I got that reference and I learned that DK Arcade had platform damage the hard way.

[@superjoebros64]

You are not alone! 😭

[@alexbrock9759]

I struggled to beat the Donkey kong Arcade, but as a kid who smashed through all the dialog, I had no idea that there was a coin inside of Jetpack until I was messing around one day and it spawned in the mini game. it took me forever to beat this game just because of that 1 coin I could never find

[@superjoebros64]

I'm guilty of this too 😂

[@NecromanticWater]

i think a simple change would be simply remove the coins required to play the DK game, that way if it ended up taking a bunch tries you wouldn't potentially run out of the coins and have to leave to go get more, but a more impactfull change could be simply give you the banana and tbe Nintendo coin at the same time instead of making you play the game twice

[@superjoebros64]

I'd be down for that! Needing to play it twice is rough!

[@welon17]

When I was 11, there were this arcade centers, places full of arcade machines and one of the most popular games was Donkey Kong. The first time I played it took me 2 quarters to beat it, and an extra one to do hard mode. I'll tell you my secret, I stopped to watch the pattern of the game. Only a couple tries, boom, you're done. And when I played DK64 and got to this part, now as a man... I was back home, zip zap zoom, done. DK64 is for babies. You kids... Are babies if you can't beat DK64. Imagine what would you do with a game like Dark Souls. Cry to the Stray Demon boss.

[@DeitySkullKid]

I mean, for the rareware coin, you can also just sit a certain way on the cliff and hold the shoot button, you'll defeat enough enemies to get enough points, i dont remember if thats level 1 or 2 though

[@superjoebros64]

True 😂

[@MintyHobkin98]

i lovd your channel mte! talking about dk64, an imo underrated gem in such detail and with the editing, love it

[@superjoebros64]

Thank you! 😁 this game deserves all the love

[@danielphelps2138]

It’s the time it takes to reset between tries of the Donkey Kong arcade that got me as a kid. I beat it once and left. Eventually forced myself to do it again so I could finally beat the game.

[@superjoebros64]

Agreed! Takes up so much time

[@mw170037]

I really don't think they are awful additions, BUT I don't think they should be required to get collectibles. Maybe as a bonus on the Main Menu screen to play when you would like? Being unlocked by completing certain objectives throughout the story.

[@superjoebros64]

agreed! there's room for great bonus content

[@Outside998]

My issues are not even the difficulty or the mini games. My issue is, as you already mentioned, the fact that the coins are needed, but nothing tells you they are. The dialogues asking you if you want to try them makes them SEEM optional, until you hit that door to key 8. And then, for the Nintendo coin, you have to go back to an earlier level you probably finished ages ago, just find that arcade machine. Fun! (Also, nice Jontron reference.)

[@superjoebros64]

Agreed! The game doesn't do a great job of informing the player Glad you caught the reference 😂

[@theruleroftheinternet8260]

I admit i did struggle a bit with the DK arcade. but there was always this cool aspect of it in the back of my mind. Growing up hearing from my parents about the original mario and DK they knew in their days. and finally seeing it for myself the first time playing this game within a game was awesome as a kid. Finally gitting gud as they call it nowadays and beating it felt great. DK64 will always be one of those games i remember from my childhood

[@superjoebros64]

That's really cool! I fully respect the homage and adding it to the game. It's a great reminder that arcade games are fun. And fully agree! It feels amazing to beat this!

[@jonathanmurphy8819]

Getting the coins could allow you to swap kongs anytime without a tag barrel. (Some special places and boss fights would disable it) There, I fixed 2 problems with one move.

[@superjoebros64]

beautiful!

[@NHTStudios]

My sister and I spent hours trying to figure out how to obtain the 'Rareware & Nintendo' coins before finally looking it up online. That Nintendo coin caused a very enjoyable full game playthrough to be turned into a pit of frustration, despair & pure unadulterated rage. There was no joy in in finally succeeding, only the emotionless void. Never again. Never...

[@superjoebros64]

The amount of determination and patience to clear this challenge 😭 never again

[@alco_the_crocodile]

Yup, Level 3's second flame enemy is the worst aspect of the Arcade Game. It refuses to leave the lower platform until luck is on my side. I recently beat the arcade game three times to see if anything secret popped up and ohmygosh, will not attempt anytime soon. It seemed even harder! Pretty brutal throughout all levels with how enemies & barrels chase you down. I adore the flame that forces you to get a running start at the beginning LOL K. Lumsy was so lovable that younger me kept at it for his freedom xD I agree that the best option would just be limiting the keys to bosses. I actually wouldn't even mind Jetpac being the only requirement with the Rare coin. The arcade game, in my opinion, should have just been a fun unlockable along with DK Jr. if they really wanted. I will most likely beat arcade DK again if the game hops onto Switch but glitches are tempting haha Awesome video!

[@superjoebros64]

agreed! Jetpac is actually pretty fun, it's way easier in comparison!

[@akaCol1987]

I always found it so annoying that the animation of DK pulling the lever and the camera flying towards the arcade machine took so long.

[@superjoebros64]

ugh seriously though. It just adds to the rage lol

[@Rellik165]

A couple of suggestions, assuming that we keep the coins as a barrier (as it IS a nice touch to gather from both Nintendo and Rareware history to stomp through to K. Rool) 1: Make the door only require one of the coins. (The previous door was four battle crowns. Four out of TEN. Why require BOTH of these unique collectibles to finish the game?) 2: Make the door lead to the two fairies, but not the key. (Cool optional reward in fairy goodies and those going for 100%, no longer required for game completion.) 3: Treat the Arcade machine rematch like, well, an arcade machine. Allow a player who has lost all their lives to pump in a few more coins and continue where they died, especially since it ALREADY COSTS COINS, WHICH ARE A FINITE RESOURCE, TO REMIND YOU. (Internal screaming regarding the original form of this stupid challenge)

[@superjoebros64]

I really like this suggestion! I enjoy the inclusion of both games! Just don't love the requirement 🙄

[@Yoshixandir]

The fall damage pissed me off so much because it feels like you shouldn’t die from that small of a gap

[@superjoebros64]

HONESTLY! That's brutal

[@daedriccheddar]

Giving the player 3 lives like in the original, instead of a single life, could easily help make the Donkey Kong arcade more bearable. Also, making it optional would work too.

[@superjoebros64]

Seriously though. That's an odd decision

[@mike406]

The sound effect of dying in the DK arcade game haunts me even 25 years later.

[@superjoebros64]

It makes my whole body tense up 😂

[@Purpylon]

Each try for the Nintendo coin costs 2 DK coins, so is it possible to screw it up? What if you collected every DK coin in the game and then spent them on losing the arcade? It's not likely, but still possible, right? Then it would be impossible to get the coin, and thus to finish the game.

[@superjoebros64]

it seems like the 2 coins is a 1 time purchase. That's not what I read at the time! But I 'm relieved to know players should still have every chance to beat it!

[@RonaKurona]

If there's one thing I really like about the coins, it's their design. They both look really neat in the collection menu, it's just a shame that they're not used creatively in the final door.

[@superjoebros64]

agreed! I do like the design

[@CyberFoxy87]

Yeah, how little distance from the ground Mario used to make in the arcade and die... Now he can jump from great heights and still live :v

[@superjoebros64]

He's come a long way 😂

[@theeducatedfool]

I let a kid in my class borrow my copy because he said he could get me the Nintendo Coin. Waited for like a month and while he did give the game back, he didn’t even get the coin. Kinda wonder if he just wanted to try the whole game or something.

[@superjoebros64]

Hahaha no way 😂 what a rip off

[@knellycornnan5132]

This nightmare can actually get people to stop playing out of frustration.

[@superjoebros64]

Such a shame because the game is worth completing!

[@knellycornnan5132]

@@superjoebros64 Let me tell you. When I was a kid I didn't even know how to get those coins. I was wondering around in frustration trying to find them. By the time I actually found out how and beat them I just wanted the entire level to be over.

[@UnprofessionalFlip]

I absolutely couldn’t get the Nintendo coin as a kid. I tired over and over and my brother got so sick of it that eventually I gave up completely. I FINALLY beat it in college years later. The game said I logged 80+ hours. Yeah, I don’t care for it much.

[@superjoebros64]

Oh man, I feel your pain! My first full playthrough is around 160 hours. Some of these challenges are just so much work!

[@franciscojaviermendezrinco1902]

Hey, the DK arcade isn't doing it again, is doing it again ON A HARDER DIFFICULTY. But the DK arcade is of my favorite things to do in the game.

[@cruelnini]

I got this game from a neighbor that sold it us It was early 2000s so no free internet access as a kid or get strategy magazines (I'm not from US so they were not common here), i had to ask him to help since I had to idea how to beat it to finish the game

[@superjoebros64]

I bet it was like this for a lot of people too!

[@michelzwiers7742]

I think the best thing to do would've been to require only a single one instead of both, that way you can have your cake and eat it too

[@Impalingthorn]

Donkey Kong was alright but also probably because I had that game both on oldschool systems and gameboy and played it to death. Jetpack, however, was brutal. The first stage was easy, the second throws you for a loop and by the third stage you're just anxious because it doesn't take much at all to lose all your lives. These coins stop blocked me from the end game for a ridiculously long time because I did not have DK64 as a teenager. That was the period where a messy separation from my abusive dad meant I lost my entire N64. I didn't play these games until later in life and they WERE a lot easier, but god are they unnecessarily difficult and simultaneously unnecessary as a roadblock.

[@superjoebros64]

Jetpac is rough but what's nice about it is you don't have to BEAT it! Just farm points in level 1!

[@iceman7157]

I'm trying to do this right now. I watched a guide for level 2 but the dude didn't mention fall damage so I fuckin' died with only 50 points to go. After seeing this I'm just gonna clip through the door again because fuck this.

[@superjoebros64]

Oh gosh 😭 that's awful. Yeah, clip through the door!

[@catholiccontriversy]

"Git gud" I guess. I love DK arcade game and played the NES port all the time at my grandparents, and the Nintendo coin took maybe 4 tries before I got it. Jetpack was a lotharder for me because I kept hitting enemies and eventually just cheesed the first level getting additional bonus items until I got enough points.

[@superjoebros64]

this version of the arcade being my first time ever playing it. I didn't get the practice on other versions like some of you 😭

[@GeonXP89]

I remember that as a kid, it took me an awful lot of time getting the Jetpac coin, I think I actually never got it myself and just watched my brother get it Playing the game on emulator a few months back, it took me some time to figure out that you only really need to get to level 2, then just stay on the bottom right corner of the screen and shoot whatever's coming at you, the 5k points will be here in no time. Then it's just a matter of reaching the coin and voilà As for the classic DK game, for whatever reason as a teen I tryharded the hell out of this game (maybe on a GBA classic collection, I'm not sure) so when I had to do it again on DK64, I legit beat it first try for the first run, and maybe two or three attempts for the second one. Level 3 is the only one that's actually hard, the last part where you have to go above the spring is a close call every time! I even found an old arcade machine while on vacation a few weaks ago that had a lot of classic games, including DK, so I gave it a shot, and that version only had the first and fourth levels, so it was easy enough to beat lmao

[@superjoebros64]

I'm really thankful that Jetpac is more relaxed! Farming up points in the first 2 levels is golden

[@GeonXP89]

Yeah, they could have gone for "complete X levels" instead but chose the easy route, we were kinda lucky 😌

[@SuperZez]

Not a miniboss. A *boss.* We *deserved* a boss remix of Hideout Helm and it's a crime we never got it.

[@superjoebros64]

Agreed! That'd be great

[@Externica]

The Rareware Coin really wasn't that bad. It's the DK Arcade game that made collecting these coins a pain. My main püroblem was always the first level. The randomness of the barrels always got me and we only have one extra life. Then Level 3 comes along. I can't count how often I died on the final ladder because the spring overlapped with the upper half of the ladder while Mario was almost at the top. The second round wasn't better. At least the WiiU Version gave us mercy. Manual save states.

[@superjoebros64]

I wish we had save states for the N64 😭 I feel this. Especially the random barrels

[@nebyelats9542]

I actually enjoyed the DK arcade game as a kid, I thought it was a fun challenge. I remember it was hard, but it didn't take me an agonizing amount of time. But I was pretty young, so I might've just been more tolerant back then

[@superjoebros64]

Also more agile back then 😂 I'm not as quick as I used to be

[@AWriterWandering]

The real problem is the original Donkey Kong was made to be unfair. Like all arcade games, the point is to get as many quarters out of players as possible. Definitely should’ve been left as an optional thing in DK64.

[@superjoebros64]

that's a really good point. I love the inclusion of it in DK64, but I think they should have made it like Jetpac and just require a certain amount of points.

[@mightybear5441]

I remember 100%-ing the game on Wii U a few years ago. My friend and I would take turns playing and we swapped whenever one of us got stuck or frustrated xD

[@superjoebros64]

the best method 😂 gotta stay sane somehow

[@Athesies]

I really appreciate the dk arcade games inclusion for the sake of game preservation and that it makes you really get good at this historic and classic game, rather than just play it for 2 lives then leave because it feels old. But yeah its got major problems too

[@superjoebros64]

Agreed! I actually like the inclusion of it. Just wish it wasn't such a buzzkill of a golden banana

[@flochjan]

I hate that part of DK64 so much. Making the coins optional would be a major improvement.

[@superjoebros64]

Seeing so many people struggle with this coin and unable to beat the game says it all!