Phillip Is Absolutely Baffled by the Men Who Believe the Earth Is Flat | This Morning

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Gary Heather, Darren Nesbit and Martin Kenny are part of ‘The Flat Earthers’ who come from all ‘four corners’ of the globe even claiming that gravity is fake and The Moon Landing of 1969 was a hoax. So are their ideas ‘from another planet’ or have we all been conned by science?
Broadcast on 02/05/2018
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[@eliasvonbrille]

I was also sceptical for the first 6 months. Just like him. But when I turned 7 months old I understood.

[@nachiketkosode18]

Epic

[@philipcoates9185]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Idr1zzzi]

No u didn't understood, u were brainwashed.

[@beefcake0354]

😂😂😂

[@philipcoates9185]

They are just professional flat earthers making money from gullible people ...wonder how much they got paid to be on the program...... they no more believe its flat than Buzz Aldrin does

[@sampenno4368]

‘Didn’t do the whole lake because it is massive’ mate what about the whole earth? Hahaha

[@brianbarcroft9167]

It's the cup of tea that got me!

[@madigorfkgoogle9349]

@@brianbarcroft9167 and even that is not flat...

[@Greg_Andrews]

At the end he says, "We live in the age of technology, there is no excuse any more" ... The irony is busting my ribs!

[@jens-kristiantofthansen9376]

Yep, that moment caused a large amount of coffee to get sprayed at my keyboard. These people are desperately sad.

[@jens-kristiantofthansen9376]

@@GFW-np5jx I don't follow things because 'the masses believe them' - I follow them if they are demonstrably true. You have chosen another path: You believe absolutely anything at all, as long as it is blieved only by a small group of people who have no knowledge in a field whatsoever. You have decided that the less people know, the more you trust them. The less someone has studied, the more you trust them. When I had cancer a few years ago, I didn't ask my mechanic to deal with it. When my car needs work, I do not ask my surgeon to work on it. The masses are often wrong. But it's not the masses that worked out the shape of the planet. And you guys? You seek the losed-in acceptance of a smaller community of people who believe the same thing you do. No matter how absurd it is. Personally, I don't care about acceptance from anyone except about 5-10 people who are important parts of my life. You clearly have a need to be part of some 'secret club' - a cult you can belong in.

[@macforme]

I caught that too....luckily I had NOT taken a sip of anything .... and my ribs are recovering nicely.

[@Isaac-lt3nn]

What he meant is the use of CGI footage to falsify space looking videos to easily deceive people like you

[@Michael-l6d8i]

Flat earth is truth nasa lie to you fools

[@snaptrap5558]

It's fascinating to watch three men not know what something is but know for certain what it's NOT.

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

Yeah they are too stupid to understand their own contradiction 🤣

[@hongry-life]

And that is what it is about. Once you have evidence of what you believe in is not (entirely) true, then you can start to research and look further. Question what you are told to believe.

[@snaptrap5558]

@@hongry-life And they were questioned what causes things to accelerate towards the earth. And they don't know.

[@hongry-life]

@@snaptrap5558 Do you know about the electrical charge of earth and the charge of the air above the earth? And did 'science' ever calculate with that?

[@snaptrap5558]

@@hongry-life Ah, what does that charge do?

[@coosoorlog]

I think videos like these are very important and people should watch them. The general public has an erroneous view of what idiots look and sound like. They mostly look and sound like ordinary people with fully functioning cognitive abilities. They don't normally present themselves as over-the-top fools. Of course most of the things these three gentlemen are saying are absolutely bonkers and devoid of all rationality but not in the most stereotypical way.

[@siyeducation]

"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain.

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

Its a great quote but flat earthers lose every argument. All you need to do is ask them for evidence and they lose their minds 🤣

[@JohnMartin-oh6bf]

@@siyeducation true

[@nasalies1292]

"Its a great quote but flat earthers lose every argument. All you need to do is ask them for evidence and they lose their minds" Says the person that ran away... after saying that I ran away.... It really does not get more so-she-oh-pathic than this Chubbs over here ignored the record photograph "Pic De Finestrelles" that proves we see too far.. evidence has been presented to the doof, but it has all be rejected (what a shock)

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@nasalies1292 excellent. So for flat to begin to compete with the globe, we will need from you: Footage of the whole flat earth Measurements of the whole flat earth Dimensions of the whole flat earth A working flat earth map A flat earth model Flat earth novel predictions that have more predictive power than the globe. Heres where you run away 😊

[@nasalies1292]

@@drmantistoboggan2870 Excellent, so you are ready to address Pic De Finestrelles that you ran away from?

[@Quixote1818]

When I was 8 years old, I was confused about how the seasons worked. I thought the earth would need to wobble back and forth for them to work. My dad, who was a chemist, used an orange and rotated it at an angle around a lightbulb to show how a tilted Earth would have the North Pole facing away from the sun in the winter and towards the sun in the summer. He also demonstrated how, from our perspective, the sun would set at different latitudes throughout the year because the Earth is curved. Even at 8 years old, his demonstration made perfect sense to me. I wish someone would show flat earthers what my dad showed me and have them explain how it wouldn't work based on our observations of where the sun rises and sets throughout the year, and why the North Pole experiences 24-hour daylight in the summer and 24-hour darkness in the winter.

[@zekkozen2087]

issue is flat earthers don't want to learn

[@MikeJ-j8b]

I taught my children the same way.

[@crustydownunder]

I can't watch this! I feel so embarrassed that these grown men can be so blindly ignorant.

[@ThePhilosophicalOne]

Says the guy who went and polluted his bloodstream multiple times with mystery juice because the TV said so

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@ThePhilosophicalOne the "philosophical one" arguing from emotion 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@macforme]

Hey Custy.... I am glad to see (from your avatar) that a Neanderthal is smarter than a 21st Century Flat-Earther. I mean... they don't have any excuse and you're just learning about fire. 😂🤣👍😎

[@crustydownunder]

@@macforme Ugg! Me fire, burn!

[@macforme]

@@crustydownunder 🤣🔥You have to try marshmallows on a stick over the fire...they are awesome.... be careful, you can burn your mouth... and take the stick out first .... after that there is hotdog on a stick... be creative. 🧯 Love your humor! 👍

[@GAWYHAWA]

Heres the thing. They dont believe the Earth is flat. They believe they're smarter or more perceptive then the 99.9% they referred to. It's narcissism, not stupidity. The topic is irrelevant.

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

Isn't that precisely what it is you're doing with your own remarks though??

[@alexanderying1558]

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479Haha why would he be doing that? Please tell me mr. or mrs. “letsdiscussitoversometea”

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

@@alexanderying1558 Unfortunately, because I haven't yet developed the capability of establishing the motivations of other people, I don't believe I'm best placed to answer your question. Sorry. 😔

[@alexanderying1558]

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 Not asking for their motive, just in what way they think they are smarter than everyone else

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

@@alexanderying1558 Well - once I gain access to their mind, then I suppose I'll be able to answer that. 🙂 Provided of course, that the answer consists of anything other, than "in no way". Would be most interesting to have such knowledge anyway, wouldn't it? ☺️

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

The thing is, _why_ would people spend hundreds of billions of dollars to lie about the shape of the Earth? What do they gain from it? The amount of time, effort, coordination, cooperation, money, and resources it would take to keep up such a massive charade for so long would be downright impossible, and definitely impractical.

[@warmachineuk]

Some flat Earthers claim it's a Satanic conspiracy to discredit the Bible and Christianity with it. Somehow. Others claim it's a fraud by NASA for tax funds. Without being laughed at by other countries. Others claim it's to hide rich land beyond the Antarctic ice wall so governments can exploit it themselves. Without lots of people.

[@wilsont1010]

God has created a globe Earth but Satan has been telling the world that God has been lying that he made a flat Earth.

[@phdbulet1366]

Because the amount they spent it on is miniscule compared to the lost of power n control of : Scientism, Financial Scam, Free Energy, Medipharma Scams, Academia Indoctrination, and God forbid; Military Industrial Complex AND.......Religion.

[@ifiehill1789]

Why would people lie that they are women, when they are biological men?

[@MrItaliano1900]

perchè siamo dentro una sorta di stagno, intorno a noi un muro di ghiaccio , il muro di Ross. Oltre a questo muro , percorrendo migliaia di chilometri c'è una cupola che chiude la nostra terra, oppure non c'è nessuna cupola e iniziano nuovi continenti.

[@Sniffer1111]

Aeroplanes flying upside down. 😂😂😂😂😂 how do these grown men not understand basic physics.

[@macforme]

That was a question a child of 4 might ask.... but I assume these men have finished high school by now and are working.

[@finger3181]

​@@macforme never assume

[@macforme]

@@finger3181 you are right.... they could be high school dropouts ! 🙄

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@macforme they definitely never finished highschool

[@macforme]

@@drmantistoboggan2870 I wonder what kind of work Flat-Earthers can obtain... and do they share this thinking with people at work. If I was hiring type person I would steer clear of any FEers... in fact, questions like that should be mandatory... to protect the business from nutters ...😂🤣👍

[@seasonedbeefs]

The bro thinks people walk upside down on the southern hemisphere 😂😂

[@guiltseeker]

Then so does he to the People in Australia , what a !!!

[@BriForReal93]

@@guiltseekerI live in Australia and can confirm I walk upright 👀 😂😂 and airplanes don’t fly “upside down”

[@davidberry791]

IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT CATS WOULD HAVE KNOCKED EVERYTHING OFF BY NOW

[@astridmiller7938]

best comment

[@MoiponeMonaheng-t4t]

This bald guy claims that gravity is just an effect not a force, then proceeds to say that things accelerate to the ground...does he not get that any acceleration requires a force? Its really mind boggling

[@Dr-Curious]

The whole deal with belief systems, is they have to reject aspects of reality to make a claim about how their world works. But there's no underlying structure of framework of knowledge, like you get in real fields of science. They are only addressing some specific criticism. The result is you often find they diametrically contradict something they have previously claimed, without even realising. the golden flerp example is sun motion and other perspective claims. I LOEVE it, it's so hilarious.

[@jon_trinks]

He also just said prior to talking about gravity that water finds it's own level. Hmmmmm. I wonder what force causes that to be true about water.

[@AllAroundSleeves]

You’re dropping something, it’s falling. No force is behind that other than the air. Like a car going forward

[@Dr-Curious]

@@AllAroundSleeves How does it move from it's previous position, champ? According to literally EVERY relevant experiment ever conducted.

[@Dr-Curious]

@@AllAroundSleeves "No force is behind that other than the air." By implying that you think air is a force, you're not really instilling a sense in people that you understand the topic.

[@Amager-do4gx]

They should be allowed to call their guests morons

[@nasalies1292]

Oh, the irony

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@nasalies1292 and here you are making yourself angry again. why not go outside and pet a cat?

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@nasalies1292 you dont seem to understand that im going to be doing this as long as you keep commenting on youtube 😊

[@nasalies1292]

@@drmantistoboggan2870 "you dont seem to understand that im going to be doing this as long as you keep commenting on youtube" So you're a stalker, got it.

[@nasalies1292]

That is exactly why you will cease being

[@brianfreeman8290]

It's over 2,200 years since a gentleman called Eratosthenes worked out the truth. TWO THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED YEARS !!!

[@coolcat23]

Makes you wonder if there is any hope for humanity. What an intellectual catastrophe that more than 2200 years of building knowledge was completely lost on these guys.

[@utilitymonster8267]

And he only found out how big the earth is. Pythagoras knew the earth was round 300 years before that.

[@quailshootr6389]

Typical globe gobbler nonsense... Neil Degrase Tyson even said Eratosthenes experiment did not prove Earth was spherical, Tyson went on to say that Eratosthenes experiment could also prove Earth was flat. Try n keep up with the class.

[@utilitymonster8267]

@@quailshootr6389 That the earth is round was known already hundreds of years before him by Pythagoras, and common knowledge among the Greeks. He only measured how big the earth was, and was extremely accurate.

[@quailshootr6389]

@@utilitymonster8267 Pythagoras theorized Earth was spherical but had no scientific evidence. However, he did look for observational evidence to support his theory, and was convinced by the appearance of ships disappearing over the horizon which we know today can be refuted for we have modern zoom lenses that bring ships right back into view... Another theory he had was a curved shadow cast by the Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse which is nonsense because the Moon gives off her own light.

[@themutupoguy]

I love Phillip's baffled face 😂

[@KikiLikesChips]

Especially after they try to disclaim what his own eyes saw 😂

[@lordmfitzgerald3rd754]

12km laser test….so just over 7 miles. Wonder how much they spent on Amazon for the Laser 🤣.

[@macforme]

It was on special for $5.99 with free shipping.... must be the best. ( Yeah, I know they are in the UK) But we have Nutters in the US too, that would use that statistic just as proudly.

[@pinball2k6]

Sad that this is how the Dinosaurs actually died. When the meteor hit, the world tipped and they all fell off into space. Luckily some of the fossils stayed behind but an upsetting story non the less

[@aaronmaloney8]

😂

[@sharthakghosh970]

😂😂😂😂

[@JL-gf3yc]

Started off brilliantly with the laser and lake thing, the lake was too big for the laser to reach the end🤨🤣🤣

[@Marc010]

I'm still not following the answer as to WHY scientists and the government would need to keep this round earth conspiracy going.

[@moviesisaw]

Me either, but it's nice to see all 195 countries working together to keep up the scam, for whatever reason.

[@Plethorality]

​@@moviesisaweven though they cant agree on much else, at all.

[@guitarcomet5]

@@moviesisaw😂

[@jacksquat4140]

This is just a theory, and only a theory, but the governments of the world could be motivated to lie about the globe Earth, because a round ball is final - there is no place to go, except around and around. Now imagine if there were other lands beyond Antarctica, rich and fertile, and every man, woman, and child could become self sufficient and live like kings - what would happen to Planet Earth's wage slaves? How could kings and queens be special if everyone was as well off as they were and were their own soverign. Wouldn't the globular establishment of Elites do everything in their power to maintain the status quo and aggresively defend their lie. If wage slaves the world over knew they could just get up, and walk away from the grind, thus finding prosperity, they would do it. What better way to keep slaves on the plantation than to convince them there is nothing else to see and there's nowhere else to go. I'm not saying this is true - I'm just saying it would explain a lot.

[@borssky]

Where are the whistleblowers 😅.🤦‍♂️

[@antonroe3464]

This so funny! How on earth do fully formed adults believe the earth is flat? Is the moon a flat disc in the sky? Brilliant!

[@jasondavis8886]

Paying attention.

[@lookn4heal]

Do you often look at your ceiling to describe your flooring?

[@joaopintovb]

Is my dad a blonde Chinese young man?

[@joaopintovb]

Makes so much sense ur sentence. “How do fully formed adults believe the Earth is flat? Is the ocean yellow with black stripe and pink circles?” Bro Ure a fully formed adult except on the brain lmao 😂🤣

[@lookn4heal]

@@joaopintovb yeah, your ignorance is astounding. Zero research and that’s the only reason you argue. You believe in sci-fi outer space and magic force fields that Defy real scientific laws. Grow up kid. Stop worshipping what was above your cradle.

[@68munki]

Neil Armstrong was a civilian engineer not military

[@robertjenkins2499]

He was a pilot in the Korean War, so he was a plant to make you think he was a civi!!!!

[@sander230e]

And a freemason

[@graemechalmers8016]

@@sander230e wow lol - he also had brown shoes... its the brown shoe conspiracy

[@nasalies1292]

@@graemechalmers8016 Say whatever goofy things you have to just to ignore what is in your face

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@nasalies1292 aw buddy, you really have to stop making yourself upset 🤣

[@chiefflash]

Imagine being a grown man and thinking people and planes are upside down at the southern part of the earth. This is mind numbing. The UK accent worsens it too 😅

[@Tall-Cool-Drink]

Do these flat earthers realize how enormous the earth is compared to humans?

[@KevinVenturePhilippines]

No, they do not. That is the main problem. It seems it takes a larger brain to grasp larger things.

[@FullFledged2010]

They don't realize al whole lot more 😅

[@theeye-ns1ch]

Its 24,000 miles in circumference according to mainstream science. It takes 24hrs to complete its alleged rotation therefore its moving at 1000 mph at the equator.

[@FullFledged2010]

@@theeye-ns1ch Yeah so what?

[@Tall-Cool-Drink]

@@theeye-ns1ch And.....?

[@tonya2646]

This what happens when your brain goes flat.

[@hongry-life]

Why name calling? What are your arguments/evidence of what you believe is 100% truth?

[@lapizza7175]

why are yall getting offended by that? @alivingsoul9648

[@lapizza7175]

Solar eclipses. we can't see the same stars in the south hemisphere and in the north hemisphere. @@hongry-life

[@maddannafizz]

😂😂😂😂

[@pinkkfloydd]

@@hongry-life Literally the whole body of physics and astronomy since the time of the ancient Greeks.

[@snaptrap5558]

I love being able to see the stars and moon but not the Eiffel Tower, for some reason.

[@hongry-life]

They are close. and your eye cannot see far.

[@snaptrap5558]

@@hongry-life The stars are closer than the Eiffel Tower? My eyes can see reeeeeaaaallllly far with a telescope....

[@TalesOfWar]

@@snaptrap5558 The Eiffel Tower is minuscule compared to the stars we see. There's also a bunch of crap in the way, like the Earth itself, because it's a ball. Unless you're in Paris of course.

[@snaptrap5558]

@@TalesOfWar The Eiffel Tower has lights on it. You would see it at night And how do you know what size the stars are? That's an assumption

[@TalesOfWar]

@@snaptrap5558 Sure, you can see it at night, if you're within about 50 miles of Paris. And we can figure out how big the stars are with some basic geometry. They're millions and billions of miles away.

[@moviesisaw]

First question: What qualifications do you hold that entitles you to claim that you can disprove that entire scientific communittee?

[@ThePhilosophicalOne]

Who defines these "qualifications?" The government? 😂 Might as well ask, "Did the government give you consent to disagree with the government?" 😂

[@moviesisaw]

@@ThePhilosophicalOne Oh wow! You're a flat earther! My point is that there are these things called schools, colleges, and universities where people attend in order to become qualified experts in their field. You're even allowed to attend if you think the earth is flat! How can the people on the interview possibly justify telling scientists from around the globe that they are incorrect, when the interviewees are basing all their knowledge on internet conspiracy theories? Much like religious people, I'm sure most conspiracy theorists don't genuinely believe what they're saying. They're just looking for attention and to be part of a community.

[@Alex-pl3jp]

@@moviesisawAnd if you go against the status quo theories, you don’t get these qualifications.

[@Agarwaen]

@@Alex-pl3jp well yes.. if you answer utter nonsense on exams.. you fail them.

[@Alex-pl3jp]

@@Agarwaen Yes, that is also true

[@Ateszika]

If the Earth was flat my grandmother would have wheels!

[@raymondallo9947]

You carbonara fan... Few people would get this.

[@mikefranciosa5613]

at 2:00 when she said ... so Isaac Newton got all that worng... his face is abolutely pricelesss !

[@AlexGeek]

Because he is not part of modern and evil NASA.

[@SeldomPooper]

Oh nice. Comments are turned on on this video finally.

[@hillbillykip1873]

It’s an extraordinarily bold thing to accuse people from scientists to ancient Greeks to expert mathematicians to even people in their own back yard with a telescope, of being liars. Don’t beat around the bush and say they’re mistaken or incorrect. No, what you’re saying is in fact that they are lying about their profession or their expertise. I’m not an astrophysicist or a scientist; it is not my field, but do I believe what I’ve learnt, what I’ve been taught? Yes, because I’m not an ignorant pillock with a wedge-sized chip on my shoulder. Do these people question everything in life? Do they go to the dentist and question his methods? Do they have driving licences? When they were being taught, did they tell the instructor they were wrong? Of course not, it’s just that they see the excuse of denying the earth as a sphere of being an easy way to not conform with authority. I’ll leave you mad-flatters with this: if you don’t believe the sun rises or sets (your words not mine) then what words do you use instead of sunrise and sunset in every day life? Because you’re not allowed to say “look at that lovely sunset” or in that sentence you would be admitting that it sets, therefore going against your own belief system.

[@premabaul7570]

You accuse thousands of years of ancient geniuses.. who built temples all around the world with precision. and the horizon... well... accusing the sun of setting is like accusing traintracks of converging.... it's perspective my friend. Be smarter.

[@southstandlufcss5]

Yes you're an IP

[@hillbillykip1873]

@@southstandlufcss5 a what?

[@DH-rj2kv]

@@premabaul7570 You have no idea what perspective is and how it works. Obviously. Very very obviously.

[@Qwerty-g1b2o]

​​@@premabaul7570things "vanishing" due to perspective is an asymptotic phenomenon. Meaning, the distance approaches a limit. The limit is the horizon. If it truly was due to perspective and the sun going further away from you, this is what we would observe: the sun would go down towards the horizon, getting slower and slower and slower, and never actually crossing it. Now what do we ACTUALLY observe? The sun goes towards the horizon with a constant rate of change of angle, never slowing down or speeding up, and crosses it at twilight. The perspective explanation does not fit observations.

[@williamrbuchanan4153]

Sailed to the East through Suez canal got across the Pacific went through Panama. Canal sailed back to U.K. . Never went off the edge to,fall into ? I wonder if there is a Sun shining on the underside of the flat Earth. !

[@peterr5494]

Why are you bothering to discuss this with deluded people? They're insane.

[@timehunter9467]

Both curvature and rotation have been proven to exist by flat earthers, yet they don’t believe their own evidence. I like how when asked if all those people are liars they go quiet for a long pause and skip over it.

[@joaopintovb]

Why u lying bro? There’s no curvature and no rotation, keep on moving bruh…

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@joaopintovb stop being pathetic. We can measure rotation and curvature.

[@davidbroman8391]

Thanks Bob.

[@timehunter9467]

@@joaopintovb We are moving, at a 15 degree per hour drift!

[@joaopintovb]

@@timehunter9467 that’s what you believe? 😅 first of all it’s not a drift, second it’s not real. But you do you buddy.

[@KevinVenturePhilippines]

They always say "Walking upside down" which tells you two things, they actually think even a globe has a "Top and a bottom" which is insane, and that they do not get the concept in any way. The universe would have to have walls and pictures hanging on them for us to have any kind of orientation of what may be "Up" lol. There is no "Up" in space. We just say "Down under" or "Up in Alaska" for one simple reason. Everyone decided to hang maps on the wall in the same orientation. That's it. We could flip every map around and it would make zero difference. It would just be more confusing, but there would not be a new "Up". Unbelievable. 🤦‍♂

[@abvhma]

Sometimes I search "Flat Earther" watch every contents, whether or not I had watched years ago, again to be entertained. I no standup comedy has given me this much amusement and joy.

[@fitulus]

Down is the center of the earth. That means that wherever you are on the spherical earth your DOWN will always be the center of the earth. But they want to see an upsideDOWN plane.. oh dear..

[@raymondallo9947]

Can they please point where the edge of the earth is. I think the other option is to ask them to stand in the corner of round room.

[@BriForReal93]

The “airplanes flying upside down” absolutely sent me 😂😂😂😂😂😂 omfg

[@macklee6837]

"I've been to Lake Balatine with FE Corps" As if people would know or care what FE Corps is 😆

[@BarnsOfChris]

... oh, right. Flat Earth Corps. What else

[@Paralyzer]

Did he actually say “ can we see planes flying upside down “ 😮 wow,

[@quailshootr6389]

You would think satellites would take close up photos from space showing ships sailing sideways n upside down but no... nor are there any upside down cities.

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@quailshootr6389 take a photo of a city, flip it. theres your upside dowm photo

[@quailshootr6389]

@@drmantistoboggan2870 Thats all you got? lol

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@quailshootr6389 yeah you asked for photos of cities upside down, right?

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@quailshootr6389 you must not realise that sattelites are so far away from earth that it will always look like a top down view of a city when they take photos.

[@AIenSmithee]

This is so sad. I really hope these guys never snap out of it. It would be too embarrassing.

[@Plethorality]

Ships should all be seeable, instead disapearing over the horizon. "Big ocean doesnt want you to know.... "...

[@coolcat23]

"People walking upside down ... aeroplanes flying upside down": Can I sue the guy for causing me brain pain? I'm lost for words.

[@zepkauvaka8316]

"HOW DOES THE ATMOSPHERE SPIN AT 1600KM/HR WITH YOUR GLOBE EARTH AND WE DON'T FEEL IT?"

[@penguin82875]

Why should you?

[@zepkauvaka8316]

@@penguin82875 I KNEW YOU CAN'T ANSWER

[@penguin82875]

@@zepkauvaka8316 you’ve been answered hundreds of times. Maybe if you quit ignoring the answers and running away, you wouldn’t be humiliating yourself like this

[@zepkauvaka8316]

@@penguin82875 WHERE IS YOUR ANSWER???

[@AlexFoxthrot]

​@@zepkauvaka8316 You are joking

[@Drums-ve8on]

I am going on TV to demonstrate how little I understand science!

[@jasondavis8886]

Phil is silly

[@joaopintovb]

Don’t do it bro we don’t want ur opinion on how the world is a big globe in the vacuum rotating at 1670km/h 😭

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@@joaopintovb You dont even understand that rotation is measured in rpm :)

[@joaopintovb]

@@drmantistoboggan2870 what would make you think that I don’t know? U’re that much bothered about my intelligence? You might want to act like the smart guy here but u’re not.

[@joaopintovb]

@@drmantistoboggan2870 but I don’t feel like giving u physics lessons.

[@234ever5]

Hilarious! I love the moment when he tells them he flew 60k feet high, seeing the curvature with his own eyes, and gets a response: "What shape was the window?" :D

[@234ever5]

I bet if he told them he was that high in a balloon with no window, they would ask him "What shape are your eyeballs?!"

[@josephgeordielogan4399]

Neil deGrasse Tyson has said that at 120,000 feet the horizon is completely flat, that is his words not mine you can search it up and verify it for yourself.

[@234ever5]

@@josephgeordielogan4399 Ok even if it's curved above 120k feet, that's not important. The joke is in the flat earth round window argument. If there was no window, I believe they would say "What shape is your eye?" :D

[@johnferry7778]

@@josephgeordielogan4399he’s wrong.

[@johnferry7778]

@@josephgeordielogan4399he’s wrong.

[@tasha3757]

“Airplanes flying upside down” 😅😂😂

[@WaxPaper]

He *is* wrong about what he saw on the Concorde; we can't see curvature from a plane. I read that paper a long time ago, and it does take much higher altitudes for the human eye to discern a curve of the horizon.

[@brenttaylor8907]

Yet there is a picture of the Concorde taken by a military jet at cruising height showing a straight Concorde in the bottom third of the frame and a curved horizon in the top third of the frame. Google it.

[@tashday9662]

Is he lying? He's not a liar though. You are not saying that now Holly. LOL

[@hillbillykip1873]

He wasn’t lying remember, he was just mistaken 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@theteob689]

1:47 "Science has never proven gravity is a force" yes it has; Gravity has been a key idea in physics for a long time. Newton in the 17th century first suggested that gravity is a force that pulls objects together. According to him, the force depends on how much stuff (mass) the objects have and how far apart they are. So, basically, everything in the universe pulls on everything else, stronger if they're massive or close together. Mass creates the FORCE, so the force (for earth) is (averagely) 9.8m/s2 and observable by anyone on earth

[@AlecSharratt101]

Imagine saying you think the Earth is flat at a party full of people... You would immediately be laughed at and everyone would think you're a pillock. Now imagine doing this on morning TV...

[@Militant69]

"Science hasnt proved gravity as a force itself..." FFS

[@marlow769]

Every other celestial body in the known universe (except for asteroids) is a sphere…but not the EARTH. Right 🙄

[@Shady-Socks73]

Why does haleys comet etc,keep coming back around every so many decades??

[@YouTuber-mc2el]

What I haven't heard from any of these space cadets is what is the global reason for so many people to lie to all mankind for so many years.

[@MrDantres]

because they need to find an escape goat for their sad lives.

[@juan_ortega]

I have never heard of a physicist or an astronomer who is a flat earther. I would dare bet these gentlemen are neither physicists nor astronomers. If they are, then I would consider becoming a flat earther :)

[@motorbikeray]

Those three birds sitting next to each other on the couch certainly look like Flat Earthers.

[@KOOLACKCLOUD]

Also all commercial airlines have concave windows

[@traviscarr4698]

What's happening with objects falling to the ground is buyoncy and density. When an object is less dense than the medium around it whether it be air or water. That object rises or falls. That's why an air bubble in water rises and a rock sinks. The law of buyoncy and density was well known before gravitational theory existed.

[@msa7933]

Buoyancy? That sounds interesting. What's its formula?

[@TalesOfWar]

Buoyancy is an effect of gravity.

[@traviscarr4698]

@@TalesOfWar gravity has never been proven...EVER and there's two gravitational theories. One is from Newton a Free mason and the other from Einstein. Both still nothing more than theories

[@msa7933]

@@traviscarr4698 1) Theory in science science is the explanation of a natural phenomenon that is backed up by multiple lines of the best evidence that we have. It's not a guess. That's what a hypothesis is. General relativity is the most successful scientific theory in the history of science. Your illiteracy is not a valid reason to deny it. 2) Objects falling is the proof of gravity. The fact that objects with different masses fall at the same time in the vacuum chamber shows that gravity is proportional to mass. 3) Buoyancy is the result of a fluid with higher density being pulled down harder than an object with lower density. Go back to school.

[@kristopherfisher2517]

gravity can be measured not gonna argue im right period density doesnt make things fall any faster either only drag objects also weigh less at the poles also mountain tops or elevation etc

[@Sniffer1111]

These guys have a real issue grasping very basic physics. They can comprehend scale.

[@fomalhaut5]

They also have a real issue grasping very basic geometry.

[@RayhaanAli-f2m]

If this is true a powerful enough telescope should be able to look directly from the UK to the US

[@Tezzzaaa]

Indeed I'm egging the point now taking it further, the south 'pole' (or er.. ice wall?) from the north pole should also be viewable. Anything from anywhere (barring physical obstructions) should be visible via telescope on their dream scape. It's batshit bonkers bless em!😂

[@jorgen3662]

He's right, brave man fighting the ignorant masses on his own exposed to all the judgement and disdain from the globe zealots

[@OllieBrady-kp9fx]

The earth is a globe! Hope this helps

[@alainbellemare2168]

He s actually right science does not know what gravity is , it can be measured but yet to be explained

[@hongry-life]

In the comments I see much humiliating of people who have an own view on things as usual, but who did actually investigate the given 'proofs' of the earth supposedly being a ball hurling through the vacuum of space in multiple directions with multiple speeds at the same time? Isn't anybody worried about the massive full force humiliating of people who HAVE investigated things and came to the conclusion that what we're supposed to believe is merely suggestion tactics or at best partial truths? Why is attacking a person who has a deviating point of view accepted as being part of a normal discussion and why is that reason to not listen to and ignore the arguments? Are the deviating ideas ever really discussed or is the person who says things attacked massively as a tactic? Isn't anybody worried that a decent discussion about this subject is not possible without being humiliated and ridiculed as a person and being called names if you have other ideas than the mainstream propagated one? Are the deviating ideas dismissed by the action of attacking the person and not discussing the arguments? How is that for free speech, open respectful discussions and real science?

[@snaptrap5558]

What is the biggest scientific achievement that was made by flat-earth?

[@hongry-life]

@@snaptrap5558 Idk who or what flat earth is?

[@snaptrap5558]

@@hongry-life Exactly. Nobodies

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

What multiple directions is earth travelling through? The reason flat earthers get laughed at is they say silly things that arent true and then refuse to accept reality. They lack understanding of the subject they are "debunking" and dont realize how wrong they are. A lot of them are very arrogant and get angry easily too. Its quite hard to be polite to an arrogant, ignorant person

[@hongry-life]

@@snaptrap5558 Again a box that your 'we' or someone created for you. Step out of it and go explore the world.

[@DonWinslow-cn7zx]

"Water always finds level." That's some talented water. 🤔🌊🌎

[@msa7933]

"WaTer dOeSn't cUrVe" 1) Yes it does. Cohesive force bends water all the time. There is no reason to think that gravity can't do it. Ever seen a water fall? That's gravity literally bending water. Ever seen a wet ball? That's water literally bending around a ball. Rotate the ball one time in 24 hours and boom, you got yourself water sticking to a rotating ball. 2) Still think that water doesn't bend, huh? Ok. Then good luck explaining tides on your "model" without bending the ocean. How is it possible for water to go from higher elevation to lower elevation and vice versa simultaneously in different places without bending?

[@titan9259]

Just ask them to pour water.

[@MrDantres]

I'd love to hear a flerfer explain tides in their fantasy world.

[@Soothing432]

Waterfall is curve lol? It's water streaming down until they find a container and than level out. It's funny how emotions distort simple logic. If neil degrease whatever that science priest claims tomorrow that earth is flat stationary millions of minions will follow him. Human story in a nutshell.

[@msa7933]

@@Soothing432 1) You didn't address the other examples or answer my question. 2) Your emotions are distorting your logic. How does the water go down the water fall? Does it take a perfect 90 degree turn? No, it bends. Also, what do you mean by "levels out" and "find a container"? I thought that water was *always* level and it couldn't exist without a container.

[@bigkingspeakerdwestemperor5068]

@@Soothing432 No, everyone would think he's gone insane or lying like you. Now on the other hand if every flat Earth guru did a 180 and said "It's round guys, 24 hour sun in the Antarctic and everything" you still wouldn't believe the truth.

[@Slimmeyy]

We can have an image of the entire Earth that shows planes... sort of. Sure it can't be done in a single image as you'd either be too close to view the entire Earth, or too far to see any planes, but you can connect multiple images together. But then Flat Earthers would claim this connected image is fake/CGI.

[@danteeightsix]

If you take a flat earth model up to your eyes, the horizon is the edge. If you take a globe earth model up to your eyes, the horizon is as far as you can see and you would have to move yourself or the model to see more. This is what we see in reality.

[@quailshootr6389]

Why wont NASA just place a 24 live feed from the Moon to show Earth a spinning ball?

[@SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer]

The “EPIC” spacecraft takes images of the earth from further away every two hours. A live feed that is that long would be nearly impossible

[@quailshootr6389]

@@SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer well considering the Moon is less than 300,000 miles away according to NASA, there should be no problem setting up a 24 hour live feed showing Earth spinning.

[@SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer]

@@quailshootr6389 The problem is that you need a lot of power to do a permanent live feed on the moon which is only possible with expensive energy sources (such as nuclear energy) during the lunar night. Another thing is that there isn’t anything to gain from a permanent lunar live feed, especially since there is a much more manageable one on the ISS.

[@quailshootr6389]

@@SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer You like making excuses for NASA. Solar panels could be used for a simple camera and enough power could be generated to send those 24 hour signals back. Cmon, the lunar lander ran on batteries. Lol

[@SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer]

@@quailshootr6389 Another thing is that the lunar night lasts for two weeks. Solar energy would then would be useless for a 24 hour live feed.

[@AllAroundSleeves]

Hey dude they’re making good points

[@deansharif5068]

Gravity is and always a theory

[@sumerbc7409]

prove it

[@msa7933]

Gravity is both a theory and a law. Learn what those words mean in science before using them.

[@sumerbc7409]

@@msa7933 Would you agree with me that earth is flat?

[@GuardianSoulkeeper]

Correct. Gravity is well defined, has been rigorously tested, repeatedly verified and never falsified.

[@parthwaidya]

“Science has never proven gravity“ - Le Einstein, Le newton - takes rebirth.. jumps off a cliff..

[@Narikvp]

“You can’t see the base of it”….deep cuts my guy. Don’t do flat earthers like that!!😂😂😂

[@redscorpion1090]

Carl Sagan warned us anti-intellectualism would come back if we weren't careful!

[@bobelot6302]

Flat Earther explanations of BOTH solar and lunar eclipses are hilarious.

[@jasondavis8886]

Horizon from horizontal. How ever high you go there is no globe.

[@SylouCool]

@@jasondavis8886 Yeah and level come from flat 🤣🤣🤣

[@bobelot6302]

@@jasondavis8886 Yeah. Except all the other planets, moons, and the sun.

[@jasondavis8886]

@@bobelot6302 that's imagination and belief. You have no. Idea what you're seeing in the sky. Start with that which you can see like the natural inclination of standing water to maintain level.

[@fanaticatheist]

@@jasondavis8886 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Leandro-X.2024.Alkebulan]

When you realize there is no 1 real image of our Solar System, no video, no image, NADA, then you start questioning EVERYTHING. ​The day someone finds 1 real image of our Solar System I will give them my house 💯. Even just 1 video

[@msa7933]

When you realize there is no 1 real image of flat earth, no video, no image, NADA, then you'll start to question flatatds ability to use their brains.

[@msa7933]

Tvoyager 1 "family portrait" is a series of photos that shows 6 plants in the solar system. Of course, you're just gonna shout "fake" without offering any evidence.

[@Leandro-X.2024.Alkebulan]

Blurry images don't make me a believer. I will stay a skeptical. You guys are like those people that claim to have taken pictures of aliens and UFOs but the images are never clear, nor are ever HD(even though everyone has a HD camera nowadays), NEVER, even though we live in the 2020's!

[@lapizza7175]

says the guy who believes in a flat earth when you can freaking see different stars from the south hemisphere and from the North hemisphere. Also, how does google earth work then?

[@ArranVid]

Leandro, science can show that the solar system exists. There is no point in us trying to convince you, Leandro, that the Solar System has 8 spherical planets with a sun in the middle. You won't believe us so you can do whatever you like.

[@joetri10]

We didn't do the whole lake because it was massive... XD i love that

[@ThOi0419]

Ask him to explain tides if water is always level....are their just hills of water freely moving around the ocean? They just happen to show up at the same place at the same time every day?

[@AnonYmous-mm9di]

Why is he baffled? Is he uneducated? Or a complete shut in with no intellectual exploration? Everyone knows there are millions if not billions of flat earthers throughout the plane. The assumption is proposed that flat earthers are weird or odd when in reality they have the truth. Its really really easy to choose the route you learned before even if its not the fastest. You may assume its the fastest route because everyone else uses it and claims it is. However you will never discover the faster (true) route if you keep following the old one.

[@rowdyblokland]

Just proves that millions of people can be wrong.

[@Calmerism]

I always wonder how I would react if I got to talk to such a delusional person.

[@phdbulet1366]

You meant thinking people (?)

[@Dr-Curious]

@@phdbulet1366 Thinking people can explain theeir beliefs and knowledge, which is something you will never see with a flat earther. They ALWAYS tell you to go research, post 4 hour videos of claims backed by claims, switch burden or change topics. All of those tactics are used to deflect by believers who cant understand how evidence works.

[@KikiLikesChips]

​@@phdbulet1366Nah, thinking requires a working brain 😂

[@richardweber573]

I spoke with one and listened with interest. I didn't argue.

[@nasalies1292]

@@Dr-Curious Sounds like you just deny evidence but okay post that online

[@Jfen79]

Zoom out and show us pictures of boats floating upsidedown? They really cant grasp that there is no down on a giant ball in space

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

Actually, viewed from space, the boats *would* appear upside down. But "down" would depend on the viewer's orientation.

[@JBT-bw8sh]

@@davidbroadfoot1864 not really.....even if you could get far enough away and had a powerful enough telescope it would just look like a standard birds eye view. What sort of perspective are you imagining? by the time youve zoomed in close enough the sea would also fill the lens, negating any relative concepts of 'up' and 'down'. its a big ball and boats planes and people are completely minuscule in comparison

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

@@JBT-bw8sh It would not be a birds-eye view. Birds are oriented to the nearby surface of the earth, so they have their local horizon. When out in space, your orientation is whichever way the spaceship is facing, looking at the Earth as a ball. Zooming in towards your "top" of that ball, you would see ships floating right way up. Zooming in towards your "bottom" of that ball, you would see ships floating upside down. Saying, "by the time you've zoomed in close enough the sea would also fill the lens" is utter nonsense. If you did that, it means that you did not target the edge of the ball.

[@JBT-bw8sh]

@@davidbroadfoot1864 by 'birds eye view' i mean that in the common use of the phrase. top down, like a satellite image. not literally a bird looking out to its horizon....anyway so wait, what your saying is that you need to be at a specific point in space to target a ship that from your perspective is sailing Exactly on the edge of the globe?? ill ask again..what sort of perspective are you imagining? what does this image look like to you? your forgetting that horizon is a relative concept. ill tell you one thing. telescopes, satellites and human eyes dont work like that, you could not see what it is your imagining you could see. If the earth was the size of a tennis ball, a sailing ship would be microscopic, smaller than a grain of pollen. there is no edge on a sphere

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

@@JBT-bw8sh From a satellite, one can move the telescope up and down slightly to view the opposite side of the planet. For a bird to view the opposite horizon, it would have to tilt its head down so far that its head would be upside down, and the ships would appear to be upside down too (from that frame of reference). No, of course it doesn't have to be exactly on the edge. That was just an example position to make it easier to understand. Re "If the earth was the size of a tennis ball, a sailing ship would be microscopic" ... of course, so you'd have to zoom in until you could clearly see the ship, and just a small portion of the planet. Re "there is no edge on a sphere"... the two-dimensional projection of a sphere onto your eyeball does have an edge. That is what is relevant.

[@Owenhlre]

So why is every other planet a circle but not earth

[@MrDantres]

A sphere or spheroid, friend, not a circle. a circle is two dimensional - just a minor correction, don't take it badly.

[@mikb5587]

Well only one person there has his career in ruins and it's not the flat earthers.

[@telengardforever7783]

The Earth is flat. Deal with it.

[@bigmonkeyshaha]

prove it

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

​@@bigmonkeyshahaI'm now thoroughly satisfied that it's flat. When I was 4 years old I thought the sky looked like a dome shape. I started looking into it in 2015/6 *very* extensively, and experiment after experiment after experiment, has reinforced the idea that it's flat, and NOT spherical. The sphere was never actually proved, just asserted, and likewise continues to be so to this day. The International Flat Earth Research Society, Eric Dubay, Darren Nesbitt, Dave Murphy, Rob Skiba - experiments of my own such as the moon acting as a cooling mechanism for the Earth (complementing the sun's warming mechanism for the Earth), density, buoyancy, etc. There's next to no excuse these days, to say that you can't establish this for yourself. A gun being pressed to your head or inability to access the vast array of information being two plausible excuses.

[@bigmonkeyshaha]

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 okay, then prove it!

[@coolcat23]

Flat Earth believers: Look up "Foucault's pendulum". It is an experiment proving the rotation of the earth that you could replicate yourself with some effort, but instead just visit one of the many sites that have a permanent installation of the experiment. Note that the effect (rotation of the line traced by the swinging pendulum over time) cannot be observed on the equator and is strongest at the poles (as predicted by a globe model). Furthermore note, that the rotation of the pendulum is clockwise on the Northern hemisphere and anti-clockwise on the Southern hemisphere (as predicted by the globe model). How could you make the same observations on a flat earth?

[@DaSiblingss]

The brainwashing is strong! The Bible is my proof. We are enclosed by a firmament which cannot be penetrated. 🚀

[@southwestslots]

funny how all the ancient civilisation's knew the earth was flat, where did it go wrong.

[@penguin82875]

They didn’t, that’s just another lie you fell for instead of checking it out

[@macforme]

It is extremely sad to see grown people so convinced that their bad information is true. But as Twain said... "NEVER argue with an idiot... they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

[@haniotis3421]

You mean with the way] our lawmakers find a way to cheat us out of our hard-earned money and try to convince us that the wars they fund do good for us and the world?

[@rowdyblokland]

The question is not how do we explain the earth is a globe. The question is how do we explain flat-earthers.

[@archie-pelago]

So...believe only what you can see for yourself. Unless you see the curvature of the earth. Then your vision is suddenly unreliable

[@letsdiscussitoversometea8479]

Where did you see the curve?? Was it outside an aircraft window??? If so, then that is not reliable, as aircraft windows curve the image outside owing to how the glass is shaped and installed on the plane for safety reasons. If not an aircraft window, where did you see it?

[@archie-pelago]

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 but I saw the evidence. Isn't that enough? 😆

[@MrDantres]

Do you believe atoms exist? and have you seen one? please answer

[@rowdyblokland]

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479Aircraft windows are made to make the earth look curved. It has no other functionality - it’s all part of the conspiracy 😜.

[@DarraghQuinn-d8o]

If the Earth was flat, then the sun would rise everywhere at the same time.

[@quailshootr6389]

Not true. Earth is a stationary plane, the Sun is much smaller than Earth and very local, not 93 mil miles away. So as the Sun circumnavigates the stationary Earth in its 24 hour circuit, it cannot light up the entire Earth at 1 time. That gives us night n day.

[@Oscar-xf1st]

@@quailshootr6389Tell me what heats Earth then.

[@quailshootr6389]

@@Oscar-xf1st The Sun.

[@kadmus78]

@@quailshootr6389 Is your Sun an omni-directional light source? Explain the terminator. If it moves around above the Earth's plane, why does it move below horizon at sunset and not just fade in the distance?

[@quailshootr6389]

@@kadmus78 yes, omni directional. Explain why we see crepescular rays if the Sun is supposedly 93 million miles away.

[@colinubeh1180]

oh boy they want to debunk Isaac Newton & Einstein on gravity?

[@finger3181]

The eagerness to ' know' better than 99.9% of the population overrides common sense in the conspiracy brigade

[@colebrisvegas8102]

Horizontal horizon 😮

[@germanhernandezm.7435]

its hard for people to accept reality, earth is not glove anymore

[@OllieBrady-kp9fx]

It never was a glove mate

[@OllieBrady-kp9fx]

But it has always been a globe!

[@germanhernandezm.7435]

@@OllieBrady-kp9fx no globes anymore, flat

[@Lori_g70]

They are speaking the truth however the earth is flat

[@TheAgentAaron]

Indeed it is!

[@GuardianSoulkeeper]

Evidence says no.

[@Alan-ez6ji]

The only thing flat are: your brain... and your chest.

[@dianemorrissey9764]

We are all programmed to believe what they want us to believe. Gravity is only a theory. People need ro start believing their eyes .

[@coriscotupi]

*"only a theory"* With that, you show us you don't have the first clue of what is a scientific theory. Also, please read up on the Law of Universal Gravitation. Not a hypothesis. Not a theory. A law.

[@joaopintovb]

@@coriscotupi a theory is something not proven and gravity is a, as they call it “well-established scientific theory”, still a theory tho. Don’t tell me u believed planes fly upside down? 😂🤣

[@coriscotupi]

@@joaopintovb Please read up on the definition of scientific theory. While you're at it, also read about the LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION. As for "flying upside down: only complete idiots and children confuse opposite hemispheres with being "upside down". Are you a child?

[@kitcanyon658]

And yet all flatters claim there is a force that causes matter to fall to the ground.

[@joaopintovb]

@@kitcanyon658 never heard such claim from the so called “flatters”

[@TheDiamond-sw3qp]

I mean you can literally see the International space station from earth and it’ll match with the real time tracker🤣

[@Grote-smurf]

Ever seen bubbles in space or greenscreen problems with austronats in the ISS?? 😂😂

[@kitcanyon658]

@@Grote-smurf : How about FE claims of superhuman eyesight in New Zealand?

[@snaptrap5558]

​@@Grote-smurfLiterally doesn't matter, just look up and see it in the sky

[@Cosmic-Spanner]

@@Grote-smurf "Ever seen bubbles in space or greenscreen problems with austronats in the ISS??" Youre laughing, and yet the answer is no. And neither have you. Youll try to post a 5 hr video and nothing will back up what you claim.

[@nasalies1292]

@@Cosmic-Spanner still at it huh? lying about the simplest things that can be disproven in 2 seconds lol pathetic

[@FervidlyCurious]

Flat earthers are always so Zen and Calm

[@sumerbc7409]

you haven't met my sister & husband...

[@xlfc]

Maybe because they have nothing in their heads.

[@nasalies1292]

@@xlfc bold words for someone who can't back anything up

[@xlfc]

@@nasalies1292 For example?

[@nasalies1292]

@@xlfc *anything*

[@David-mr8wi]

On the flat earth website it says it has members from all around the globe 😂

[@ThePastaManCan]

this is how people also believe in religion

[@turnerturner3281]

What's the overlap of religious ideology and these wacky beliefs, do you reckon?

[@ArranVid]

Religion is not related to this.

[@coolkid9967]

@@ArranVidit is, because they both rely on faith and apologetics, which is essentially trying to use argument and occasionally misinterpreted or falsely attributed parts of science to explain the faith belief.

[@ArranVid]

@@coolkid9967 Lots of mainstream religions are outdated and flawed. But the existence of God has not been disproven. God could still exist. Evolution is a fact, and abiogenesis might be a fact too, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. And if God exists, then yes, it is not the God of any man-made religion. Regardless, a being who created the universes (yes, I think there might be more than one universe) could exist.

[@coolkid9967]

@@ArranVid The key point you've made is that there "might" be. I don't need or intend to disprove the notion of a god because its quite literally unfalsifiable. It is not a scientific belief, it is based on philosophy entirely. I could say that any number of things were the universal first mover but this doesn't change much of anything in regards to what it is. AE: Flying Spaghetti Monster, Tea kettle orbiting saturn, etc. What you're describing is a deistic belief as opposed to a theistic one, and I tend to like this style of belief myself. Nonetheless I recognize it is purely a belief and lies in the realm of philosophy, it is nowhere close to science outside of the loose conjecture regarding OOL and the beginning of the universe. Thus far physics have demonstrated no issue which created a "need" for god. Our understanding of black holes and the forces of gravity, spacetime, etc are sufficient to explain the universe quite well. Nonetheless we don't know everything, but I wouldn't leap towards some godly figure. Even in the realm of philosophy we can use occams razor to figure this. Is it more likely that some extradimensional being handcrafted the universe, with all its nonsense and suffering, or is it more likely that the universe is a pure result of natural processes which have no feelings in regard to what humans value? I tend to think the latter is more likely, and could perhaps become near irrefutable upon discovery of an extraterrestrial civilization.