Thomas DeLauer and Layne Norton: The Interview You Never Saw Coming! | Low Carb, Keto, CICO and MORE

Bet you didn't see this coming! I sat down with Thomas DeLauer, past WTF subject, to try and have an intellectually honest conversation and "reach across the aisle" to try and continue the mission of promoting evidence-based fitness and nutrition. Let me know in the comments if you want to see more content like this and thanks to Thomas for having me on his channel.
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[@ThomasDeLauerOfficial]

I have to say, I know that some may not like me, may not agree with me, etc, but I sincerely am trying to look at every possible angle with nutrition. I appreciate Layne taking this step to interview with me so that we can be constructive as a whole. Oh and for the record, bananas aren’t bad. If I could delete that cringe worthy ad from peoples memory, I would be a happy man. I think having kids and focusing on family really has just helped me realize what I want out of life. Thanks to all that have enjoyed my content and given it a chance. And HUGE thanks to Layne for reaching across the aisle for this. So much respect.

[@wildcaughtrob]

We’re all figuring it out. You built a business and a great life for yourself saying some things that may not have been true. But the fact you’re on here with a man who’s given you slack for awhile says a lot about your character and that’s everything. I’m sure you regained a lot of maybe past lost respect today & I’ll be looking to you again for information. Thank you.

[@Tonytone2727]

I think I can speak for the vast majority of us when I say that we appreciate your humility & willingness to take ownership. Looking forward to more conversations like this in the future!

[@Frank305786]

At the beginning of my nutrition journey they used to be a huge fan of You Thomas, later as I learn more I began to become a little more skeptical of you. However, I really admire you for reaching across the aisle and doing this. It has brought a lot of respect back for you!

[@undeniablereality9904]

All of us have been wrong, but not all of us make an effort to change that. Especially those who have built a public profile and business around something that they now may need to rethink.

[@Icipher4]

I've always liked you Thomas. I think you generally steer in the right direction.

[@FitLabb]

Couldn’t agree more that civil discussions like this can only be productive, especially when it’s with people who are on polar opposite sides of many issues. Really appreciate that you did this! 👍

[@TheDerekDalton]

Can we get politicians to do the same with policy and during the election cycle?

[@P0Lak2012]

Gay

[@P0Lak2012]

@@TheDerekDalton no we cant

[@davidwinter2096]

8:00 Fructose and Saturated fat, fatty liver 15:00 Research 20:00 Calorie restrictions, obesity intermittent, fasting 30:00 Gluten, wrong associations, different diets, what works for you 34:00 Gut, fiber 45:00 Calorie tracking 54:00 Carb insulin model 58:00 Insulin, appetite

[@gregdoucette]

Lots of education. I agree. Id rather not have censorship even for crap tic tok vids.

[@albertodelacruz4632]

This is no christian Mingel coach jk

[@BigDees19]

On no not the bro science guy the drama queen of fitness KZbin the douche Douchette guy or the con artist ego maniac Manlet guy here damn he tries to ruin all fitness for everyone. Dudes like a fly.

[@manifestabundance-pu6ex]

Visit India 🇮🇳 some day

[@DavidRoetman]

Both individuals have helped thousands of people restore their health. That is necessary when 47% of Americans have hypertension and 1 in 2 Americans have either prediabetes or diabetes. They both agree on CICO/energy balance for weight loss. But as we all know, many factors impact that equation and both of these men have helped people sustain a caloric deficit. Great to see a discussion to pick apart the biochem and details behind their philosophies.

[@cheliospanama9786]

Great job Layne and Thomas…we need more influencers to influence each other for the better. 👏👏👏👏👏👍💪🤘🤙😎

[@lauralittle6899]

@The Insufferable Tool habahhaha 🤣😳

[@WarrenLee]

Applause to both Thomas and Layne on this collaboration, I lost over 100lbs following tips from Thomas then started following folks like Layne. Respect, thanks and praise to both for putting out helpful advise to the masses.

[@faurovidiu]

Really nice to see Thomas deLauer evolving as a human being and being more balanced in thought

[@ivanorozco4274]

I had to watch this in three portions (sort of like a very large meal for the brain lol) and it was such a pleasant sur´prise to find Thomas be such a humble and agreeable guy. Great vid all around

[@Akihito007]

Yea because the SAD diet and carb pushers who continually attack red meat and saturated fat have been "balanced" the entire time. Mhm.

[@nexxogen]

@@Akihito007 Who cares about them? They are as irrelevant as the LCHF pushers. Luckily, we have scientific studies to turn to.

[@Macgee826]

​@ivanorozco4274 one of these days layne might be humble and agreeable ........not!

[@rayyagloski2]

Wow. This is what 2021 needs! I never comment on KZbin but this is an inspirational move by both of you. I took a lot away from the discussion. Thank you both for coming together, "reaching across the aisle" as Layne says, and seeking out truth in nutrition (a vast, confusing, and challenging science).

[@TeamYouphoric]

It's always nice when people with differing opinions can have a civil discussion.

[@jamie5mauser]

yep. only because Thomas has changed his views. No more videos from Deliar "new study shows keto is better" linking a study with no control group...

[@TeamYouphoric]

@@jamie5mauser that kind of contradicts the point I was making of people with differing opinions being able to have a civil discussion if you're only capable of having a civil discussion once the person has changed their views to match yours.

[@undeniablereality9904]

@@TeamYouphoric The problem is that you're irresponsibly talking about these two views as if they're equally valid opinions. One is based on facts and science, and the other isn't.

[@TeamYouphoric]

@@undeniablereality9904 irrelevant. If someone tells me they believe the earth is flat, I can still have a civil discussion with them without personally attacking them.

[@undeniablereality9904]

@@TeamYouphoric Ah, I see your point then. Yes, I do agree. I still think your framing was a bit irresponsible/incorrect, but that is not the point you were trying to make. Cheers.

[@ericgonser1544]

@Thomas DeLauer I'm really proud of you man. Seriously, I started my fitness journey with you and have drifted away but this interview definitely changed my mind. I will start watching all your new stuff and give you a chance. You have helped a lot of people and with this new more open approach you will probably lose some of the extreme followers you had but in the long run I think it will work out for the better. Great interview and one thing I will say is you do come across as a genuinely nice guy and very courageous. You weren't really attacked here but I was impressed you had the video woth Derek from MPMD and have seem you comment on videos of people that don't necessarily agree with you and I have a lot of respect for you Thomas and how you handle yourself

[@RMILLSMMA]

Same here. 👍🏻

[@danielsc9102]

Real genuine, humble, wise bloke.

[@SusanAllen-sn3mx]

Great discussion and please have again

[@stevenwright9859]

Exactly my sentiments. I had moved aways from DeLauer when he was drifting into mixed messaging, bringing extreme positions from guests for throw out terms to scare people. I will return to his channel to see what he has now

[@jasons9087]

honestly...The world can learn a lot from how these two handle themselves! Great work to both guys!

[@bndtx3]

I been searching high and low and have so much info from not only my drs, books, internet and KZbin and I take everything in mind. Ever since I got sick and my life turned upside down everything counts for me so I can’t hate on this because I use almost every resource I have to better not only myself but the others around me and that’s what you guys are here for and I appreciate you guys 👍

[@michellelee6306]

This is one of the reasons that I love Thomas DeLauer! This is not the first or only video of Thomas having an educated and polite discussion with another person who has different views about nutrition. It's so nice to see adults having a well informed conversation and not attacking each other. Sadly, these videos are hard to find nowadays. Good work guys!

[@contestjustice2012]

Great to see how much this channel has evolved, great move and love the long form discussions.

[@adrienner5909]

I really enjoyed this interview. Thanks for doing this.

[@MicheleSollazzo]

It's fun to see social media influencers finally lose their freaking self-confidence, shut up and nod at what a real scientist says. Thanks Layne!

[@therebeccaspears7731]

I agree, it’s mind boggling how much misinformation is out there because of people like Thomas. Especially with him being in gear.

[@marsh8417]

Was really pleased to see this. I had been trying fasting to drop a few pounds because I didn’t understand CICO, which led me to Thomas’s channel initially and I really enjoyed his very slick very professional content, plus he comes across as a really nice bloke. Wanting to fact check a few of his videos led me in turn to you Layne and here I am a year later using carbon and smashing it out in the gym! Thanks to both of you.

[@xpaperxcutx4588]

Love this. I also have carbon too but I don’t use the coach function, I just love the tracking compared to MFP. Keep up the great work and much success!

[@matthewryan5807]

Hello, I started my online fitness journey with Thomases channel and was genuinely entertained by his content.Then I found ,Norton, Nippard, Doucette and a few more where they seem to focus on the core 90% of fat loss/ nutrition while Thomas and other niche influencers seemed to focus on the last 10%(specific diets and exercises). I’m so happy he’s changing his viewpoints, and wanting what best for his viewers

[@juanguzman1563]

This is what I needed to hear. I’m big into keto and carnivore but I’m so afraid of eating ANY types of carbs. I try to by default in food get about 5-10 grams a day. But hearing this conversation from two people on totally different sides really helped and opened my eyes to see IMOO you can eat foods regardless if it’s processed or unprocessed. It’s all about MODERATION AND within your calorie intake. Gentlemen I thank you both.

[@MrBiggharv]

Respect to you both. Thanks for the collaboration 💯

[@timeban7761]

No way... An Interview with Thomas???? Now imagine if he would do an interview with Dr. Berg now

[@EmilEngholmSrensen]

Please no, i dont like that chiropractor :-)

[@timeban7761]

@@EmilEngholmSrensen same and thats why I want one

[@user-mi4kq5yn5o]

It’s purely joy to see ppl not hesitating to change over time as we learn and give more positive attitude to benefit on both side. Thank you to both of you!

[@ronwright1530]

Love seeing this type of collaboration. I used keto and exercise for almost 2 years to help me lose weight as a type 2 diabetic. I switched to flexible dieting the more I lifted weights and tried to build muscle. I find eating for you current goal works the best.

[@BodyworksPrime]

I'd love to see a part 2. Really enjoyed this discussion.

[@thejoehunt1958]

Round 2 definitely please! Such a good conversation!

[@jonbog6479]

I learned so much from this amazing conversation. Much love to you guys, keep putting out amazing content

[@yisell02]

Wow 🤯🤯..lots of respect for both..love both of you..

[@georgecagle3829]

This was fantastic. Would love to see a round 2!

[@mattshelfreliance]

So grateful for this👏 Thank you gentlemen 😌👍 I sub to you both! Both of you have helped point me in so many directions that have been meaningful. In a world where it feels like EVERYBODY wants to be in some tribe/gang, be it- politics, to nutrition, for a lone wolf like me.. this is pure objective nuanced gold 🏆💪👏 Bravo Layne and Thomas. More ideas and talk.. not less🔥😌👍✌️

[@sandeshjadhav8804]

Laughed for about 10 minutes before clicking then again laughed for 10 more minutes, didn't think this would happen in a million years, kudos to Thomas for doing this, and Layne as always never backs down a good debate/discussion.

[@rgcamsf]

Tom had to attain some humility in able to be open to learning. In this great discussion, I was impressed by Layne's willingness to educate in a way that is generous and friendly rather than pompous

[@mohd12453]

It is great to have discussion when people have different opinions. Both of you have the same goal of educating people and help them to adapt healthier lifestyles.

[@johnnyoost1144]

This was great. Thomas is always so humble. Stay classy boys.

[@sonjacrowder7561]

Thank you, both for this discussion.

[@flaviodasilva2022]

Simply awesome interview. Thanks both.👍

[@lisafaser6031]

That was awesome. I’m a fan of both of you guys. It was really cool and enlightening to listen to your respectful conversation. I really hope you do a round two…

[@slickspike126]

Thank you for doing this. I have a lot of respect for both of you and this was super informative! Really appreciate this Layne!

[@rpqubed7903]

This is outstanding thanks for being an example!

[@qT_p13]

Glad to see Thomas adjusting his stance from (the maybe years) since I last listened to him. I was a firm believer in bcaas and other fitness garbage (thank God i got over that phase) so im more than willing to give him another go and check out his newer stuff moving forward. Very informative video and thanks for sharing.

[@mcstallion9640]

Thats great that you guys did this. I have always thought Thomas was a great guy and was never trying to do anything malicious and mislead people. I'm glad he's coming around.

[@emmafox2449]

Great interview... I prefer Thomas' approach as it focuses less on calories (long history ED brain) but do realise a lot of his content doesn't involve cross checked evidence. Really great to see a balanced discussion

[@GuidetteExpert]

OMG do these combos with Thomas more often please!

[@outremer84]

Awesome. Appreciated both of you guys for a long time (for different reasons...)

[@4u2consider50]

Would love a Round #2✨ Thank you for the wonderful interview🙂

[@leonordemelo5713]

Wow I really enjoyed this interview. Hope it will have a part 2. Thank you.

[@chasen5252]

This was great. These are the important conversations. Thanks guys

[@Ryan-gv7gy]

Thanks guys. The world could take a lesson from you two. 💪

[@tulile99]

Man, I feel like crying 😭 of excitement!! Great!!

[@glaciermax24]

Thank you @thomasDeLauer for taking time to talk to him . This is the type of discourse that needs to take place in the Wild West of fitness and nutrition

[@Menemey]

This was a really fun watch, did not expect to watch the whole thing tbh, but I enjoyed it.

[@HealthywithAmy]

Appreciate the growth and honesty😄🙏🏼💪🏼

[@carindooley6933]

I loved this discussion! I use to follow Thomas before and currently follow Layne and Holly. This was the collab that I didn’t know I needed in life lol Enjoyed the whole thing!

[@KoalaMarch77]

Holly who?

[@carindooley6933]

@@KoalaMarch77 Holly Baxter (Layne’s wife)

[@hapiwifeNmom9890]

Thank you both for this great discussion 🤗🤗. Resubscribing to Thomas’s channel after watching this.

[@nolaabifrida4866]

Yes! Excited for this.

[@TheJmtmom]

I love everything about this. Mature and professional.

[@youdontknowme.idontknowyou6904]

I didn't see this coming! Can't wait to listen to it all

[@Joy80JJ]

I saw this on Thomas utube channel. Enjoyed very much. Thomas is a humble man. Great conversation Layne.

[@kimbreedavis]

Great interview thanks

[@TheScyy]

Awesome interview. Thomas DeLauer is one of the first people I found when I started trying to lose weight and was doing intermittent fasting(which totally worked for me at the time FYI) I did move away from his content as I started following people like layne and really got into the science of things. Glad to see he's adjusted some of his views.

[@ryannachtrab]

Saaaaaaaame

[@longdrums]

Same. Fasting kept me lean but I came to realise all it was doing was creating a calorie restriction/deficit and was stalling my muscle building potential. I never did keto though, and never will. I still believe Thomas has been a shill of the fitness industry, cherry picking studies, impressing his audience with jargon and abusing steroids making it seem like his physique was achieved by all the nutritional methods he promotes, but I know better now.

[@as2racing727]

Ditto

[@TheScyy]

@@longdrums That is actually exactly why I stopped intermittent fasting myself. I lost pretty much all the fat I wanted with it but I definitely wasn't putting on as much muscle as I should have been with newbie gains considering the frequency I've been working out. Now two or three months since I've stopped fasting and just generally eating around maintenance I've noticed what I think to be a noticeable improvement in muscle gain. I will say for getting rid of fat fast it definitely worked for me, I lost about 75lbs over the course of about 8 months and now sitting around 145lbs at 5'9 and focusing on building more muscle.

[@RolandoLopezNieto]

Exactly what happened to me too.

[@thorweise]

Great stuff, @biolayne. I would really love to see a talk like this with Layne and Ted Naiman on the P:E Diet.

[@AlecTramblayCoaching]

Definitely a new found respect for this guy

[@azulsimmons1040]

This is a collaboration I did not expect at all.

[@MrMoys13]

Gentlemen we are following you from very far away (Europe- Romania), this is one of the highlights of 2021!!

[@Jake-jv9ff]

You guys set a great example doing this + it was a great conversation. Great stuff👍💪

[@harku123]

Still disagree with DeLauer on many topics but it's nice to see a productive discussion and it certainly took me by surprise. Would love to see more

[@RogueCylon]

The challenge with Thomas is that these days he’s much more tied into sponsorships and promotions of products. Makes his advice a whole lot more difficult to stomach. But he does have a lot of good information, and a positive approach to health.

[@bigiron04]

Great content, hope to see your channel gain the growth it deserves.

[@rogeliomendez9135]

I did a keto style diet and lost weight. Doing a diet where I count calories and also lost weight. Gain weight when I get sloppy and eat everything.

[@Magic_beans_]

Same here. I had a bunch of weight to lose and knew it would take a while, so I changed up my approach every so often to keep things fresh. Meal replacement shakes were fine, 40/30/30 was fine, low carb was fine, 5:2 was fine, it all works if you can be consistent with it for the weeks and months it takes to see results.

[@przemysawj6499]

Man, I known I will get something good for Christmass this year, but this is so unexpected. Best gift ever. Thank you Layne ;)

[@paulschneider8143]

Thanks guys. I enjoyed the discussion. I'd be happy to see a round 2!

[@justinmorieko221]

Im stunned this collaboration happened

[@troynewell6536]

Excellent video. Great to watch.

[@Frank305786]

For sure part 2!

[@marvilus]

I'm actually happy you guys had this interview, its a re-brand for TDL's evolving approach, and shows how much of an impartial person you are.

[@carolinajorge580]

this proves both you guy's intelectual honesty. The world need more of that

[@BuffetNeverDies]

Thoroughly enjoyable content.

[@fernando.3352]

Great job!

[@evgenyzarov103]

ROUND 2 PLEASE! Thank you guys

[@milsdobaggins]

Ohhhhhh I’m pumped to listen to this!

[@jaergroth]

This was a great conversation! Glad to be able to listen in.

[@CeliaCavalli]

This actually makes me so happy to see.

[@punkandlifting]

Oh hell yeah I’m saving this for work tomorrow

[@DMRYeti]

Applause for both of you for this interview. Great job Layne.

[@miklimecat9636]

Round 2 please! Great discussion!

[@isabelmendez2601]

Anyone else watching because What the Fitness and his buddy Thomas look like two handsome studs?!? 😍😍💪😍💪😍💪

[@evagosselin4712]

This video was exceptional, loved every second of it,it really explained so much,thankyou so very much! ❤😊

[@THEOvERSiZEDMeATBALL]

Great video, who else wants to see Layne and dr berg have a discussion?

[@kevinhodges867]

Good luck with that. Berg shuts down anyone that disagrees with him or just ignores them. He’s a cultist.

[@mickeychan2223]

Cant wait to see layne interviewing jason fung and dr berg

[@Jordaniliving]

atleast James not scared

[@Macgee826]

Would rather see layne and bart kay,that would be awesome man!!

[@danieljamescoaching1822]

Great conversation thank you

[@Killdarian]

Love this, thank you Norton very much....and Thomas :)

[@MazalKriefBenamor]

Great conversation I like you both very much I like the honesty thank you for all the information

[@stevelegg9901]

What a brilliant interview

[@johnfinnerty2336]

Thomas does seem like a super nice guy!

[@ecrose29]

More lengthy discussions please!!

[@oliatomski1398]

Yes to Part 2 💚

[@bryanbaca2242]

Great vid 👌

[@billybadass7718]

I started with Thomas and went from 330 to 208 using Keto and IF. I’ve since moved to more bodybuilding oriented channels and still am relatively low carb but I absolutely hate fasting now. I need my potatoes though!

[@tawnipargman8237]

I, too, jumped in to keto and IF with Thomas a few years ago. Got lean but then my sleep suffered and I lost my cycle..... So no more fasting, and I added back in carbs. Took a year to recover. Still wearing the same pants, too😊

[@Behindthejab]

Yeah allot of us bought his bs and helped make him KZbin rich.

[@adamwoodie4029]

@@Behindthejab what is Thomas' bs?

[@Behindthejab]

@@adamwoodie4029 he admits to cherry picking studies and misrepresenting the data, to pushing an insulin leading to gain vs CICO as two examples. He now admits he was wrong If you want to see some of his crazy shit Layne featured him on a few What the Fitness videos

[@adamwoodie4029]

@@Behindthejab okay cool I'll check those out

[@Zig_Was_Here]

Do a part 2 please! Great discussion!

[@nickmontanaro9638]

This is one of my favorite fitness interviews. DeLauer get all the credit in the world for his recent pragmatism. Layne has one of the best fitness channels out there no question.

[@EverydayCameraLads]

Yes a part 2 would be dope!

[@galatrax1181]

Thomas is a stand up individual I don’t agree with him sometimes regarding low carb diet model but overall he is more than willing it seems to talk civilly with other channels and not hold any grudge or drama and no one can deny the guy is a hard worker he puts out content on a steady basis for years now and almost all of it is focused on trying to help others