Why Jillian Michaels Changed her Mind on Protein and Fat Loss in the Last 5 Years

[@kathleenmueller8660]

My Hungarian grandmother lived to 91 and her secret was she just lived, she just ate and ate all the animal products available, she made a homemade dessert every single night, she hung clothes in the sunshine, she sang all day long and chased me around the dining room table when I was sassy. She rarely watched tv other than the Lawrence Welk show and she was always happy, even with her imperfect life. We have become unhappy fanatics because we try to fit into images we were never meant to be. We will all die someday, no matter what we eat; just choose to be happy.

[@KravenZoro]

@@ProfessorSzivacsa 1 dimensional and asinine human like you wouldn’t make sense of the simplest things. If that didn’t make sense well, you will seize to exist sooner than later. Survival of the fittest, and you little dude aren’t fit!

[@salmonella4u]

In the end, you're grandmother was probably right. It's one reason that people in certain countries, in low stress situations and have a lighter and brighter outlook on life, and they tend to live a lot longer. In other words, just live and don't take life so seriously, as basically the way you put it. 😉

[@Aloha-sailor]

Exactly same here. Well said.

[@RonSwansonIsMyGod]

Similar with my great grandmother. On top of that she even mowed her own lawn until she was in her early 90s!

[@johnathanwetherill456]

Fucking Gold right here . Live your life . In the end its in your genes . Live and love life !!

[@KathyPianoHarp]

I did that 800-calorie, unlimited salad, high resistance training thing for 16 weeks. Got down to my ideal weight...for one day. The moment I stopped that insane & unsustainable eating/exercising, I regained the weight and MUCH MORE. Ruined my metabolism. It's taken me 11 years to get back to healthy metabolism & weight.

[@nobody-pc4lf]

My sister did the same thing. I made her water fast for 21 days, problem solved. Her metabolism went back to OP levels instantly. A bad BMR shock needs an opposite reaction. If you starve on low calorie metabolism sabotaging diet, you must fast or force high output energy work like roofing all day alongside proper feeding to fix BMR.

[@johnathanwetherill456]

@@nobody-pc4lf water fast for 21 days fixed her ?? That would almost kill her . How stupid .

[@DonnaPasquill]

@@johnathanwetherill456it was a common regime for obesity in Russia in clinics. Doing a prolonged fast should always be with medical supervision. Average person on the street can do normal evening meal til morning meal fasts.

[@LauraB.335]

@@johnathanwetherill456- it’s not stupid. Many people have enough fat on them to fast for months. Even a lean athlete has enough body fat to fast for at least a month straight.

[@LauraB.335]

@@DonnaPasquill- average person on the street needs much more than that, because it’s estimated that 93% of American adults are metabolically unhealthy/insulin resistance. If you want to reverse insulin resistance, fasting is hands down, the most efficient way to do that.

[@angelinevanaman2629]

I wasn’t going to watch this,she not my favorite person, But listening to this? I have a different opinion on her , than I did 15+ yrs ago🙃I’m glad I watched this! Thank you !

[@acools07]

Me too, I appreciate her willingness to admit she has changed her mind.

[@cocoazen]

I grew up in the Jillian Michaels era, and fell into many of the same diet traps she did. That being said, I really appreciate this gal and her evolution over the years. Thanks for having her on Thomas!

[@maximilian9295]

So did I. I had her winning by losing book and I'd eat ice cream only or a muffin and say, I'm still under calories I'm ok.

[@shareebee2158]

same! she helped me with my post baby weight 14years ago, i gained stubborn pounds during the pandemic, revisited her again, now with her app, 2 months in and I'm back to where I want my weight to be. from 60kg, I'm now 52 kg! I'm also in my 40s now, and like her, I'm learning what works for me and not. Losing weight and maintaining weight is really jsut common sense, calories in and out,whether we like it or not! I lost the weight I had to lose with only 30 minutes of workout and on 1000 to 1200 a day full of vege, the other half protein. The thing with working out too much is you tend to eat a lot too, it just not sustainable. A lot of people bemoan about how she is mean, but really truth hurts and jillian walk the talk.

[@Sherry1092]

I lost a significant amount of muscle mass, head to toe, when I hit menopause at 50 I was eating about 25 g of protein a day on average for a few years before and during. I doubled my protein to 50-70 and without even exercising I gained a noticeable amount of muscle mass back. I felt stronger and more easily gained muscle when I began to exercise.

[@ChristineWilliams-id3ow]

That must be what happened to me!! Im with you on plan protein...I believe in a good 24-36 hr fast occasionally, but 3 squares a day with lots of natural sourced protein & veggies for most days sounds wise.

[@retro-1236]

I would highly reccomend to not trust anything.

[@DyceFreak]

Trust, but verify.

[@Isaac-ye4mm]

I used to think like that, but it prevents progress in my life. Just try things and be curious.

[@humanyoda]

@@Isaac-ye4mm I suspect he meant to not trust BLINDLY.

[@RonSwansonIsMyGod]

Speaking of, I don't trust your advice either......

[@HAL9000_ICantDoThat]

Well said Deep Throat!

[@juliefitzgerald-frangos2211]

It’s refreshing to know that two legends such as yourselves are just as confused as the rest of us by all the conflicting data we get daily. I needed this talk today!

[@GamingWithMus]

hahahhahahah best comment ever

[@estherringthegack7671]

Agreed- does anyone remember Dana Carpender or Jimmy Moore from 20 years ago ? Gone now ? They probably got sick of low carbing.. or just needed a slice of sourdough and fell off the low carb wagon

[@magnaajube7784]

Most old people loose muscle am a nurse of 20 years-and I can argue that older patients need higher protein.

[@belovedbytheKing]

lose muscle. And yes we need more protein as we age as we don't assimilate it as well

[@shannonlockwood8684]

It's also getting seniors to eat. That's a challenge. But yes... hospitals seem to feed high carb (even for diabetics... so frustrating) and low protein meals.

[@louisj.marciano3390]

that’s true, but here’s the irony the conundrum as one ages they crave protein less with the reason being that protein, the digestive system even me who had a huge appetite as I get older I want to eat less protein because I enjoy not taxing my digestive system making it work so hard I like the feeling of being lighter in my stomach area of relaxing, allowing my digestive system to relax for greater length and that when I do eat that I don’t eat so much protein that it’s working hard hard for hours and hours to digest it so that is the conundrum that I don’t hear any of the fitness so-called experts speaking about in addressing.

[@belovedbytheKing]

@@louisj.marciano3390 I eat more now than ever, and I am retired and active. I do it to maintain my health. Your system is perfectly capable of digesting it. If not, take some enzymes.

[@jujube2407]

Sarcopenia is more related to their common sedentary lifestyle than age...

[@RealDocJames]

Thomas its so awesome seeing you doing these interviews. Love the solo stuff, but seeing you with these major players in the fitness space has been really enlightening.

[@melissaoliphant5877]

Also was a bit annoying that she felt she needed to point out that you didn’t have a PhD or MD. You and her aren’t even in the same league. Thomas, keep sharing the amazing nuggets of helpful information to the general public.

[@CarbageMan]

Actually, she was pointing out the fallacy known as "appeal to authority." Having such a degree doesn't mean you're an expert on everything. Her point was that people such as they _could_ know things that PhDs and MDs don't.

[@jakemelinko]

I thought she said she did not have a PhD

[@jakemelinko]

​@@CarbageMan clearly we've seen that those conditioned by the system to believe the"science" put on paper or said by some "authority" guy on tv DEFINITELY can't think clearly from the programming as well as plain, critical free thinkers who don't need to repeat slogans

[@SayHelloToOblivion]

Listen to her again (5:02). She literally says she is a "normy", aka, a normal person, a layperson... someone without a PhD. They are not in the same league? You're right. Not many reach Jillian's league (no shade meant to Thomas).

[@CarbageMan]

@@SayHelloToOblivion bullshit

[@lives4trauma]

Great interview Thomas. I have been following you since before you blew up and it is great to see how you have grown on a personal level. It is one of the reasons I have stuck around because you are not stuck on ego but science. Cheers!

[@ENAIRAMA1]

I go to the gym and it is to waste my glycogen away… the one stored in my liver, after I used what it is in my bloodstream. I go to the gym to have fun, to enjoy the music while I exercise. I don’t go with a plan. If I loose fat, well… welcome. But basically 50 minutes on the treadmill of cardio also helps me feel less depressed. Strength training is done is just for functional strength gain, since I am getting old. Anything I do at the gym is functional at this point of my life…

[@margomoore4527]

Apart from the “no plan”, I’m the same. My plan is decided for me by my personal trainer 2 days a week; after strength, I’ll do 25 minutes of cardio, then sauna, then a healthy meal. 3rd day I’m on my own but I tend to stick with full-body exercise (farmers walk, medicine balls) instead of working something specific, again followed by cardio and then sauna. In a couple of months I hope to add some swimming on a fourth day. And/or a pilates class. I’m 73 and I just want to be strong and fit (for me-I’ve had a pretty sedentary life working in publishing). Now in retirement, I have to catch up, but after 5 years (starting with yoga), I’m pretty happy to be where I am, while always trying to get stronger. People who don’t want to work out are missing out.

[@NickWoolfolk-n1m]

I like her! Too much wrong information from too many educated professional people for too many years. It’s gotta be made more simple.

[@ingridhalls1538]

Exactly.. overly processed foods and sugar are the worst IMO.. I am following my 103 year old mother's example. She grew up In Holland and her family had a huge vegetable garden. Potatoes were a staple, and at least a dozen different types of beans. Lots dairy , cheese and butter. Meat, once a week.. Up until her 98th birthday, she was still walking approx 1 km a day. Still knits, does jigsaw puzzles, word search and reads the newspaper.

[@laveraharper9698]

Marvelous ❤

[@martinepeters9891]

I applaud anyone who is being so vulnerable to admit their 'mistakes' on stage. I love her exercise app btw.

[@jahmd8377]

The only thing about her “mistakes” is she publicly and arrogantly would say that people that didn’t believe what she believed were wrong. Now she is changing other perspective (ie they were right all along). I am all for people admitting their mistakes, but it seems a lot of influencers go with the current trend and not necessarily what they truly believe.

[@jujube2407]

800 calories a day is called anorexia... it's not diet advice or fitness advice though

[@MyLongevityExperiment]

Agreed.

[@MyLongevityExperiment]

​@jujubey2407 yup

[@kayakMike1000]

You know what happens if I work on something, and I am wrong and arrogant about it and people get hurt? I would get fired.

[@BeckyJB]

Jillian was the first person to kick my butt with her home workout DVDs 😂. Happy to see her on the show….keto was my life saver for loosing weight. It was realistic to watch my CGM numbers and like Thomas suggested… I literally couldn’t make ketones unless I really pushed fasting and keto. I know my brain works better with a ketogenic lifestyle at this time in my life. 😂 wahoo! 😅 thanks guys!

[@Vonsat]

There is so much conflict about what foods are good and bad for health. But so far, eating a low carb diet (sometimes keto, sometimes carnivore and sometimes just less carb) and cutting out processed food and eating within an 8 or 9-hour window a day has been the best thing I have ever done for my health. Thank goodness we can all agree that sugar and processed carbs are bad so by cutting out those things and not grazing all day long, many people would become so much healthier already.

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

Totally agreed. Now, watch at least 10 hours of interviews with Professor Bart Kay or Doctor Anthony Chaffee if you haven’t already.

[@Vonsat]

@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 Thanks, I am a fan of Dr. Chaffee's.

[@natashab3412]

Totally agree my only problem is sometimes I get bad insomnia if too low in carbs. But that's something im.working on. Exercise just added biking. Wss just swimming and weights before bc bad knees

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

@@natashab3412 You might be consuming too little protein if not enough carbs results in insomnia. A big-enough bolus of animal-protein results in a healthy glucose *bump* which enables you to drift off to sleep with effortlessness👍🏻

[@natashab3412]

@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 no not for me. Post meno women. I've been on and off for 5 yrs I'm good w protein And sometimes ha e forgotten to eat carbs. Its carbs for sure when u add back I sleep and I'm very good w heskth fats

[@lyndamcallister9460]

I never thought she was credible…

[@jennifersadler1299]

Why?

[@angieobes9835]

​@jennifersadler1299 Because of her damaging Biggest Loser show

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

She would still absolutely get it.

[@dublinvids5146]

@@jennifersadler1299 She's full of it.

[@MyLongevityExperiment]

She has been around a long time, taking advice from professionals for a long time, which has changed, there is still no 1 right answer, yet.

[@kendrarankin2163]

Very gracious of you Thomas after how disrespectful she has been to you in the past.

[@RealDocJames]

OH? Unaware of this.

[@oculus3784]

Exactly!

[@MariaG2570]

She was rude to him?? Ugh I hate to hear that. He is so sweet and so truthful and very intelligent. She’s very full of herself that’s for sure. She always has been.

[@okokokokokok69-km4zi]

Whatever makes him money

[@DebbieTDP]

​@@okokokokokok69-km4zi he makes monies but helps people 😊

[@cyberpunk6142]

Thomas is the POSITIVE ENERGY in this video...

[@sanela5936]

Isn't he always. Just a genuinely nice guy.

[@200Nora]

I started eating low carb about less than 50 grams but mostly 30 on most days, with two meals a day. I did not do it for weight loss, but to keep my diabetic trait away from me. I succeeded, and I am no longer pre diabetic. I got used to eating this way, and I do not intend to change it. I also increased my exercise and improved my stress and sleep patterns. So far, I am a happy camper. Great interview!

[@carinaekstrom1]

If you can't eat whole food carbs without getting a high reading you are still insulin resistant, though.

[@200Nora]

@@carinaekstrom1 I eat some legumes and small portions of other foods avoided with keto, here and there without a problem. I can probably call myself flexible. I never got addicted to refined foods and sugars, rarely drink heavy sweetened stuff. My problem was beyond food. DM runs heavily in my mom's side, the decline in activity, and aging metabolism play also a role, following the wrong recommended diet. DM It is a multifactorial disease. Focusing on food only is a big mistake.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@200Nora Yes, I usually talk about food under the assumption that everything else is already under control.

[@shelleygower9843]

The best conversation around nutrition i've heard for years ...... and I follow them ALL

[@angelinekeen7924]

I have been carnivor for 10 months and I am 1 of thousands who do. It has reversed my health issues.

[@kr4382]

gross

[@4nurys]

@@kr4382I love BEEF 😂

[@HoustonListingsOpenHouses]

Me too!

[@truth-alwayswins]

It’s carnivore and poor you. Who wants to eat a steak every day. How incredibly boring. I would lose my mind. And I love beef. But whatever works for you. I just get tired of the proselytizing.

[@carmelmaldonado6258]

Keto for 5 years, Carnivore since Jan. 1st. Meat and animal fats are healing my body.

[@veronikamunguia3915]

Never did like her but this really shows we have to be careful who we believe and follow. And she was on tv telling millions bad advice

[@Pinkphantom222]

Its because new research comes out...

[@shelliallibhai2114]

Thomas you are a master interviewer. Such a class act! Well done 👏 💙🏋‍♀️

[@noelweibel9731]

I’ve lost some serious respect because this woman not long ago railed against keto and low carb. Now suddenly when it’s the popular and most successful program she’s on board? I call bullshit… I see another book coming

[@dublinvids5146]

Exactly! I wish more people would see that. Her brand is to be the reasonable one knocking the dogmatic. The problem with that is what is reasonable changes and so these people get exposed. She's the Bill Maher of the diet world.

[@Coach_Jose]

Keto still sucks

[@carinaekstrom1]

I didn't hear her support keto here. She said only if it has lots of plants and only if you like it, but you don't need keto for weight loss. Sounds as she's still mostly against it.

[@Gina-Montana]

@@carinaekstrom1yeah, I’m pretty sure it was Jillian who said as long as you’re in a caloric deficit, you will lose weight. True to an extent, but you won’t look like her doing it and that’s what she never said. She mentioned Oreos as an example. I followed her very early on in my weight loss journey, but over time, it was apparent to me that I needed a lot of protein to help build muscle to help sustain weight loss and build the body I wanted. Tom Venuto’s book was what took me to the level. Although, my opinion is, he also isn’t without fault lol. The book is great. His body recomp challenges, no.

[@Burt_Sampson]

Some of yall who comment on these videos are really stupid. Why would you want to follow someone who doesn’t change their minds on things based on new science?

[@NonameSam-yd9hq]

so wow. full circle regarding all the weird diets over the past 30 years. Firstly I am an MD US trained, actually did my residency in 1990-93 with one of the Biggest Loser contestants in the early seasons. I felt so badly for him, he was tall and healthy at the beginning of residency, and morbidly obese by the end. The stress of residency, lack of sleep and horrible hospital food did it to him. He lost a lot of weight on the Biggest Loser, but seeing him a few years later, he was back to where he was, morbidly obese which made me realize those radical diets just do not work . I also gained a lot of weight in residency for the same reasons, but I practiced integrative medicine after I graduated and also after getting my ND and realized that the quality of food was more important than quantity. I lost the weight I had gained and have maintained health and helped many people do the same. I helped patients by treating everyone like a snowflake; they ALL got a "different" but personally tailored diet based upon their culture, ethnicity, genetics and food preferences or food allergies which were tested for. It is NEVER just "calories in-calories out". I can eat 800 calories a day for 3 months straight (and have done that) and not lose a pound because I am VERY carb sensitive. I cannot lose weight if I eat ANY carbs AT ALL even if only 800 cals/day. But I can eat 5000 calories day on keto and lose a lot of weight. Another "anecdote" regarding calories not being the true issue is that I have had many pets who exhibit that fact alone (i.e.my chubby pets getting much less to eat than half the amount of food that my skinny animals received). Animals do not exhibit placebo effect so I know calories are not the only weight determinant. It's all about individual biochemistry which is WHY ONE DIET DOES NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE! This IS WHY Keto DOES work for some people but NOT for others (which is why everyone should be treated like a snowflake). I practiced integrative and functional medicine in the late 1990s and had what would be considered miracles by "western medicine" standards routinely, just by providing targeted nutrition to each patient individually (each visit was a dedicated hour with a patient). But I had patients who lost weight equally well eating vegan high carb, and patients who lost weight on low carb high fat. I NEVER bought into the diet of the moment (i.e. No eggs, no fat, artificial sweeteners chemicals etc). I knew that "Nature" (God) made things for us to eat and my grandparents who ate LARD DAILY were thin lived long and had NO cardiovascular health issues. Processed foods were encouraged in the 80's and 90's yet all the "literature" of the time was condemning anything with cholesterol or fat. So everyone switched to processed carbs and our whole country got obese doing that (remember "non fat" Entemanns? LOL) The commonalities that I insisted on for my patients was that they eat a WHOLE FOOD diet with NO CHEMICALS (i.e. no artificial sweeteners, no fake fats like seed oils-) they were only allowed ghee, organic butter, and EVOO for oils. Anything out of plastic bags or boxes was prohibited. And they were to eat only organic versions of the foods they liked (pesticides work by negatively affecting the hormonal axis and steroids given to animals to fatten them up affect us as well...FOOD CHAIN-COMMON SENSE) They were told to shop the periphery of the grocery store. And although "intermittent fasting" was not even a "term" back then, all my patients were instructed to eat from 10 AM until 6 PM only. (I was a trailblazer lol) It's just most folks in the 70s were thin and no one ate after dinner until the next morning so I thought I would stick with that concept too. Irrespective of whether my patients were vegan or keto, all my patients did very well with those common themes. My saying to my patients was that "if God/nature didn't make it, don't eat it". I am very glad to hear Jillian has also graduated to a more common sense approach. Good luck to everyone in this weight and health epidemic.

[@bitrudder3792]

Thank you for this excellent post, Noname, I hope it sets a lot of people onto the path of being more discerning about diet advice, and realize that they probably need to be paying more attention to their own reactions to foods, timing of meals etc. it's funny, I actually like eating between 10 AM and 6 PM as well, because I have a clear head for early work, and sleep better and feel better the next day if I don't eat too late.

[@Sinia99]

Wow .. everything you said makes sense, thanks 😊

[@HH-gv8mx]

My grandmother is 96yr old. She still does the NYTimes crossword puzzle even the hard one on Sunday and gets them all right. She’s a ferocious reader and is sharp as attack. It’s embarrassing, watching Jeopardy with her because she gets nearly every answer right. However, she doesn’t exercise she sedentary most of the day. She eats donuts she has a glass or two of red wine every single night. But she’s happy she’s always laughing. And I believe her happiness is the secret to her longevity. Because it definitely was not healthy food or exercise.

[@susansundaresan6297]

Thank you so much for sharing this post…such great and wise information…🌺😊

[@calista1280]

​@@HH-gv8mxIt has a lot to do with genes and the fact that they lived thru the Great Depression and WW2. Just made of hardier stock and had a very good, whole foods start during their developing years. My Dad recently passed at 98 years young! He ate and drank whatever he wanted & never exercised later in life. But was always active at work and play before he was retired. He traveled and socialized a lot til the end. While the occasional doughnut or piece of cake won't harm us too much, especially if we had protein with it. It's important to note that the processed food industry is literally killing us, only for their greedy profits!!! The SUGAR & GRAINS INDUSTRY made us all metabolically sick and type 2 diabetes is rampant because they LIED TO US ABOUT FAT!!! FAT is necessary for our brains to function properly, which is why we have brain fog and memory issues... Since switching from food industry advised healthy diets SAD, with the upside down food pyramid to Keto, which gave me some pain relief from Fibromyalgia. Then I went mostly Carnivore and the improvement was dramatic! My Energy soared! I was also able to get off almost all my pain meds! Now I am only occasionally having to take a pain pill, mostly Tylenol, lol HALLELUJAH! I GOT MY YOUTH & LIFE BACK! I am back to horseback riding or hiking every day and offroading with my hubby! 🎉😂 🏃🏻‍♀️ LIFE IS GOOD AGAIN!

[@yvielynn5577]

I love this video! Two of my favorites talking sense! Thomas thanks for doing this video with Jillian! This is what everyone needs to hear! REAL food! Moderation! Love you both!

[@RealDocJames]

Very clear. She went from being anti sauna to acknowledging the evidence based benefits of it.

[@btown8210]

Ultimately, listen to your body. We live in a fast, advert fed, social media society. We are not intuitively listening to what our body wants or needs. Everyone is different. We also need different things on different days. Once you start to tap into your own body and mind and work out what makes you feel good, what energises you, what depresses you etc - it’s much more simple.

[@yvettebennett6170]

Well said.

[@crystalshaffer4560]

I absolutely agree with Jillian! She has changed her mind on things when new research came out. I think she is very genuine. Lots of people change their minds when learning new things

[@linds408]

MDs have *very* little education in nutrition. Their training is to treat people with medicine and surgery, rather than nutrition. I'm very grateful for MDs but they are not my go-to for nutrition. You're hitting on all of the points I've been mulling over too: no more choking down more protein than I want to eat, Metformin is a big no (diabetics are afraid to take it because of the horrible effects), I planned to get a CGM but changed my mind when I saw people freaking out about natural spikes while aiming for hypoglycemia which can be dangerous, etc. etc. etc. I think the season of influencers might have run its course because people are tired of the conflicting information. It's great too see Jillian again!

[@rediaholman9898]

All of you seem to be saying whatever will make you money at any given time.

[@anjijack5392]

😂 Like we're all not supposed to make money. You're dumb! 😂

[@ek5836]

This guy gets it! She went on multiple talk shows for years shitting on keto. She made hella money and fully deserves the lawsuits.

[@4everhdt]

Ikr, also if this woman had below average looks no one would have ever known or cared who she is or what she thinks about anything.

[@CJ_Surf]

Boom. Spot on. Can I sell you my new protein powder???? Lol

[@bibastarmedia9650]

It's interesting how they pushing for beans to eat - I love everything about beans - but even slightest quantity generates massive gut pain due to gases, and gut bloating, and winds. How this can be a good thing? I just can't eat beans, lentils etc - it is barely digestible, and I did try because of good taste and texture. In real life I would like to see how they eat a lot of beans etc and then walking with gut pain,bloated guts, an releasing smelly winds. Great food folks!

[@GerryBlais66]

This was an extremely enlightening video.I have been doing people's nutrition for over 35 years and absolutely can appreciate this conversation.Its all boils down to it being an "individual " thing. This was fantastic!!

[@minkbach9452]

if we would eat really healthy the food factory industry would collapse that will not be allowed to happen

[@hmmm..2733]

Maybe not but I’d like to think I do my part.

[@jackiethompson8384]

Eating healthier can be more expensive and take more time but it's worth it.

[@kathlynmickel8707]

I wasn't a fan of Jillian before this interview, but I am now. She's super honest and I love her common sense approach. Thank you for this conversation.

[@UNREDACTEDTRUTH]

I LOVE this! Just the fact that you're TALKING about it! I must say- "Calories in Calories out" is based on a CLOSED SYSTEM... BUT our BODIES are an OPEN, LIVING, THRIVING, constantly adjusting SYSTEM... (my background is engineering & Neuroscience- NOT a phd) As a personal trainer & Martial Arts Instructor for 30 years I'll say, Jillian's thinking will RADICALLY change once she's post-menopausal... LIFE is a RIDE! =)

[@kristaG73]

You’re a class act, Thomas. I love how you present other points of view and essentially let your audience chose what will work for them. It’s great that you share what you explore.

[@ronladuke7235]

I read hundreds of comments on carnivore websites and a common theme is that whatever diet they try including keto the voice in their head constantly telling them to eat( shuts up)when they eat only meat and fat and incessant hunger is a thing of the past!

[@joeharvey6586]

I was std American diet and went directly to carnivore. Intermittent-fasting came naturally because I was satisfied like Christmas dinner every day. Lost 100lbs in 8 months with a cheat every week but ate carnivore meal before cheat. Cheat includes any food or alcohol. My cheats have gotten much cleaner over the past 3yrs primarily carnivore.

[@mrs.w8193]

How long can you sustain this ridiculous diet? Weeks? Months? Years? A decade? Lifetime? That’s the question. It’s a FaD like everything else

[@joeharvey6586]

@mrs.w8193 Many have years of successful carnivore. Look at Shawn Baker.

[@radiantlifecoding5925]

@@mrs.w8193 why would it be a fad when there are traditional cultures that naturally eat that way because that’s what’s available. I understand that it’s different than the average western diet now, but let’s be respectful of traditional ways of eating and those who want to embrace it now. As long as they are feeling good on it and their health is improving, that’s what should matter

[@alanj9978]

@@mrs.w8193 There are definitely people who have done it for many decades. And entire cultures that have lived solely on animal products.

[@DawnHutchins]

This was such a refreshing interview. The fact that Jillian is willing to change her views when she reviews updated information. The fact that she's OPEN to reviewing the latest studies that may or may not support her existing paradigm is impressive.

[@jaeldi]

16:00 Agree so much about "intermittent fasting". I don't call it fasting. I call it "eating LESS OFTEN". I became type 2 diabetic by not just eating too much but also eating TOO OFTEN. So what was part of the solution to fix that? Not just eating less, but also eating less often. Having a soda at your side, sipping it all day long, is a constant all day insulin spike guaranteed to make you insulin resistant over the long haul. I learned it from Dr. Jason Fung and his Obesity Code lecture series/book. His research and data is very compelling as an addition to CICO. "Fasting", a.k.a. eating less often, is just another tool in the weight loss tool box along with food choice, portion size, and exercise. Fasting helped me learn the difference between cravings (driven by dietary hormones like ghrelin triggered by too much fructose) versus actual 'growling stomach' true hunger.

[@MiguePizar]

So many of these "experts" changing their mind like every month, so, for anyone that's reading this, first try everything, stick to what makes you feel good, it doesn't matter what it is, check your blood work and that's it. For me is eating at evening intermittent fasting with all macronutrients, which gives me full day energy, no crashes, 0 hunger, my blood work is excellent, etc..., for other may be full keto, of eating 6 meals per day, etc.. and always checking your blood work so you don't have nutrients deficiency., and that's it. And yes, listen to the experts, but don't take their word as absolute, because they will change it very often. Best

[@harrisonschwartz565]

Great interview! Glad to see you offering more voices than just the carnivore crowd. She’s right too, we can’t let evil Kellogg’s plotting divide the health and fitness community

[@DebbieTDP]

He doesn't just offer the Carnivore crowd.

[@delphinekirkland1757]

Wow, thanks! , I really enjoyed this. I had a health food store during the Jillian Michael's bad days, and I pushed the fat makes you fat agenda and filled up on fat-free foods. For me, years later, following Thomas at that point, keto and intermittent fasting was the easy way for me to correct my glucose response to loose 56lbs, 6 years ago. I've kept it off easily, and now I can eat carbs. I saw this interview headline and I scoffed when I saw Jillian and went to, "idiot". So glad I watched. It's a full circle moment because I really liked her back in the day!

[@DjediVibrations]

This is a clear example of someone lied to by so much of the medical profession she doesn’t know up from down it is scary

[@rachaelalbanese1851]

I’m only 6 minutes into this interview and wow!! YESSS Jillian!!! Over the years of hearing “all the science” and the PhD’s…I am just really honing in my intuition…and what if, what if I was truly left to my own devices for survival…how would I eat? How would I live in general? We need to learn to trust our bodies, we are freaking amazing. Much love to you both ❤

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

Watch at least 10 hours worth of interviews with Professor Bart Kay or Doctor Anthony Chaffee…

[@Jol-v1p]

@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 Her (rachaelalbanese) point about -"what if I was truly left to my own devices for survival...how would I eat?", is very insightful. Listening to Chaffee would cause her to have nightmares about giant, man eating broccoli. And.....listen to Bart Kay......for 10 ours? Kill me, now!

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

@@Jol-v1p Insightful if you don’t understand historical anthropology or archeology. I’m done here😄

[@Jol-v1p]

@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 Nooooo! You have to help me "understand historical anthropology or archeology." If you don't.....whatever shall I do!

[@MyLongevityExperiment]

Most PhDs can only look at studies with a small, healthy cohort, and MDs are just guessing, they ate not trained in the discipline.

[@Stormy_Dawn]

I feel like we're all just here learning together. ❤ I understand why she swayed so many times throughout her career. I feel like we all have, we just didn't do it in front of the camera while being scrutinized. Love you both!!!

[@mattcomard8269]

New research excites the early adopters, but after trying it out, most people return toward center a bit. I give people credit for admitting that, and I will continue to watch their content.

[@LCarefortheworld]

For hundreds of years, the Chinese and Indians have recognized that a lack of sleep, movement, and stress are detrimental to health. Meanwhile, in America, despite being the top economic country, we're only just realizing the negative effects of stress and sleep deprivation.

[@bloomjoy]

I agree portion control is something I'm working on. Brought up in a big family and eating lots was a norm. So I try to focus on as natural foods as possible and protein is possibly a little more some days. It's how you cook it as well I think, and with what you eat it with for me. Trying to walk more and exercise to strengthen muscles and tone. Eating in a relaxed state is far more beneficial to my body. Making it delicious, more appetizing and using butter or olive oil for braising and grilling with. Love experimenting with herbs and spices to make it interesting. I really love the French way of eating and living. I struggled with insulin levels and blood pressure elevation. But I found doing occasional fasting and switching to Mediterranean diet has helped me lose weight. But I still feel satisfied. I also enjoy Indian cuisine and many other types of foods. Moderation has been key for me to a successful outcome with renewal of my health. Daily process of course.

[@lyricgirl45]

We’re out here, listening to all the experts, saying opposite things. Very confusing. Very frustrating. How do we stick to anything?

[@LupitaRodriguez-ub3hl]

Julian Michael's workout videos were the reason I started working out after I had my 1st baby In july 2015. She's the best!!!

[@Aloha-sailor]

I'm not sure what happened to listening to your own body. Really connect with your own needs. We're all different. One diet doesn't fit all. Every day is a new day.

[@wendywertz8828]

I gave up Omad and I feel so much better ! I fast 14 hours and my thyroid is working properly now ! Longer fasts tanked my thyroid raised cortisol too from 20 plus hours . 14 hours of plenty for me .

[@HaroldCrews]

Gary Taubes related a personal incident involving Jillian Michaels in which she criticized some of his observations concerning the effect on hormones in regards to the different macronutrient consumed. For those who don't know Gary Taubes has a BS in applied physics from Harvard and and MS in aerospace engineering from Stanford. He's a smart guy. Jillian Michaels replied with the absurdity that a "calorie is a calorie." I don't care who you are or how popular a claim may be, anyone who claims such an absurdity is true simply isn't qualified to speak on the subject and should remain silent. People who follow the consensus because it's the consensus aren't thinking critically or can't think critically.

[@TorqueMonsterAWD]

Taubes is the man!

[@LilCraftyNook]

Dr Jason Fung was quite adept at debunking that myth!!

[@SayHelloToOblivion]

Well, she literally says in this interview that she doesn't believe that anymore...

[@kr4382]

@@SayHelloToOblivion and so she realizes she has been wrong all her life and yet still she is stating what is surely BS and what is surely correct. So she has learned nothing from being wrong all along. An intelligent person would realize that if they have a long history of being wrong, they likely lack strong reasoning skills or the advanced knowledge to discern what is accurate for herself. Short version: she has bad judgement. Always has, still does. Ego makes her useless.

[@alan2102X]

@@TorqueMonsterAWD Taubes is a serial liar who routinely misrepresents scientific lit, just like Nina Teicholz. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6Wvf3useJmUi9k

[@oneagring]

This is the best interview of any genre that I have seen in years. Thanks y'all.

[@randy918]

Much better conversation than usual, somehow. These two are great as a team. More of you two together please!

[@williamconrad5055]

I love how you guys break down your personal experience with science and your personal experiences with the workouts and nutrition. Just because you have a PHD doesn't mean we have the proof. Some things are unknown until you do the experiment yourself. You guys are becoming the experts because of colorbating your ideas, knowledge, and experience. I love this, keep doing this kind of content. Awesome! I love hearing your health journey and the failures which lead to your overall experience. Again, awesome!

[@Joy80JJ]

Follow the crowd Jillian to make $$

[@kmw111]

After taking several covid shots, for about 3 years now I no longer develop a fever when I get sick. Fluids and rest help but I never completely get better. I HAVE TO SIMULATE A FEVER WITH HOT BATHS. Sauna would also help. This is where heat therapy is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY! Now that the shots rewrote my immune system, it won't let me recover from ANY sickness. I HAVE TO create my own temporary fever to get any kind of relief. Hope this comment helps anyone who's had too many jabs.

[@jeniferjohnson374]

Yet grains have only been cultivated for the last 10,000 years or so. So yes, large amounts of meat/protein and foraging some berries in winter, or other fruit and veggies IN SEASON, are what we've evolved from and is ancestrally appropriate. We prehistorically, literally had to eat and run, and at the beginning of man's existence, not even cooking food/cooking it much. Charbroiling your steak is carcinogenic.-we are not usually equipped to process burnt food. Edit: also sometimes we wouldn't eat for days until we found more food.

[@barbaramiller2237]

I think this is my favorite Thomas video. After years of reading and watching weight loss and health content, I've learned a few "truths" - For every study that says one thing, there's one that says the opposite. The same is true for experts - real and self-proclaimed. The second is this - Extremism of any kind is bad - diets, fasting, exercise....all of it.

[@carolginsberg662]

Great interview! Thank you to both of you❣️

[@bev7236]

I dropped 7 sizes (20 to a 6) eating higher carb 50% 30% fat and around 20% protein - kept it off for 1 1/2 years so far. I think the key for health and weight loss is fiber. I eat 35-60 grams a day. I can't eat too much protein or it starts kidney stones up in me. Everybody has to know their bodies because genetics also are part of this - Giles Yeo's lectures have helped me understand this. I also hike 3 days a week (60-90 minutes) dance and do a full body weight lifting session once a week for 2 hours. I did way more exercise when I was losing weight (9+ hours vs. 6 hours now). I maintain at 2100 calories a day on average. I also eat 4 times a day a full meal, every 3-4 hours up until 2 hours before I sleep, fasting 12 hours through the night and morning and did the same when I was losing weight.

[@jamesbarksdale978]

Everyone knows everything. No one knows anything. As Jillian said, it comes down to common sense. It's good to consider the professionals, but in the end we need to listen to our own bodies.

[@MyLongevityExperiment]

True, there is no right answer, we are all different

[@Magneticlaw]

Common sense is a poor guide for many people, who need credible facts, not "gut feelings."

[@vibrantrebel]

Love, love, love this exchange! Everyone is evolving in this conversation, and I think it's amazing! Regardless of what anyone thinks of Jillian, my take is that she always wanted the best for her clients - and she wanted results. It's also wonderful to grow and consider all of the information we currently have along with observations. Like the rest of us, she was applying what she knew, what she learned from others in the communities, and what she observed from her own clients. This is the same thing Sal di Stefano said. I believe that as long as we continue to ask questions, we continue to grow. It's those who never consider differing opinions that get stuck in the mud. I will say this: if "they" think it's confusing for them and they don't know who to believe for information, imagine how those of us who dieted down have felt! We followed the same confusing information and tried many of those things! At the end of the day, learning to listen to the intuition of our bodies is likely better than all of the advice out there - and that takes time and lots of practice (and tracking!). I'm so glad the two of you shared your insights!! 💚

[@KoolT]

So i wasted my money buying her product. 😂.

[@DyceFreak]

Thomas's approach makes the most sense because he also tells you natural sources of things while he's up-talking certain supplements and nutrients.

[@StyleshStorm]

Lmao

[@jefferyjeffery1707]

Totally....she was a total scam!! Had no idea what she's talking about.

[@andrebriscoe2272]

​@@jefferyjeffery1707I thought she got swallowed up by the mid 2000's lol

[@jefferyjeffery1707]

@andrebriscoe2272 🤣😂 Good One!!!🤗👍🤗 Yeah...now she's saying. What she use to think...was all wrong!! Oh My Goodness!!

[@stephanielo4418]

Jillian is the one that I started to work out because of her! Awesome!

[@klairef983]

I am neither Keto or Carnivore...I cannot eat meat...I eat a Mediterranean Meatless Diet...This works best for my body...I get my Protein & Nourishment from Chick Peas, Yellow Peas, Lentils & Rice & Veggies & Fruits...I am slim & older adult...Thomas is one of my favorite Holistic Health people to watch on KZbin 😀

[@stern4141]

What happens if you eat meat?

[@peggykey5570]

Me too now

[@vintagemxer1846]

Everyone can eat meat.

[@susans7091]

That is the exact diet that made me really ill! Now super low carb Keto

[@bitrudder3792]

@@susans7091- Exactly. No wonder it is going to work for everyone, or work throughout their whole life span because of variables that we barely have a clue about.

[@telishaswails5554]

I completely agree. My dr actually told me I was consuming too much protein on my blood work. I was taking powdered supplements and lots of eggs, spinach,etc. Too much of anything I think is bad. I exercise doing strength and cardio 6 times a week

[@michellemorris3500]

Susan Powter. Wow thats awhile ago. But she was a character

[@NickWoolfolk-n1m]

She’s bringing up an excellent point. Diet and exercise is becoming too complicated with too many contridictive viewpoints from too many podcast and sources. It’s got to be made more simple, which I’m sure it really is. keep it clear and simple.

[@YaBasicMillenial]

I’m halfway through the interview and it’s giving Thomas trying to have a conversation with somebody who is a drunk so they are interrupting

[@KeithBarrowsToday]

Net out - maybe I take that too far but I believe a 7 day net works far better than an everyday net. i.e.: If my BMI suggests I should eat 1600kcal/day to lose weight (keeping it simple here) then I multiply that by 7. 11200 kcal is my weekly target. Macro splits are still the same percentage-wise. Which means if I eat out and have nachos, and that meal is 2000 calories, that leaves me 9200 kcal for the other 6 days.

[@angieb4631]

Its obvious her stance is coming from only a goal of weight loss, not necessarily healthy weight loss. There is a world of difference between the two. She talks about how low carb or keto is difficult for people, yet eating 800 calories is not sustainable. With Keto, I have had things in my body heal that I didn't realize I needed healing in. And eating around 90-100 grams of protein per day has been a game changer! My hair has gotten thicker, my muscles are more toned, more hourglass shaped, even my face has added a bit of muscle making me look younger. And I recover much faster after a workout! All by consistently eating more animal protein. Cutting out the carbs=no bloating. My point is, there is a lot more to living a healthy life than only losing weight.

[@ngp150]

90 to 100 grams of protien a day is low. Eveb she eats more protien then that

[@joesenate4940]

@@ngp150100 isn’t universally low. If her ideal weight was 150lbs 100g would meet the 1.6g per kg of BW. Maybe 10m Grams. Above that is ok, but literature suggests not meaningful difference

[@TAZSWIGSNACKS]

Excellent! So much common sense in this discussion! With all the info, opinions and studies out there, this really resonates and validates. Be well!

[@kayakMike1000]

This episode should be titled... Jillian Michaels, I was becomming irrelevant

[@jeanettenejadi1777]

😂

[@joeharvey6586]

😂

[@ChesleyPierce]

Really appreciate Jillian's humble response and practicality.. very logical and I completely agree.

[@belovedbytheKing]

Glad she's owning up to her errors - and thanks for blanking out her foul language. Stopping listening to her years ago for her erroneous views and foul attitude.

[@genxg1rl]

I haven’t watched past 13:09 though to me and my research, each persons genes, blood type, sex, age, and heritage plays a major role in what works best for them and what doesn’t.

[@darkarpit]

got nothing out of this, just a rant

[@Isabella-vp6lw]

This was fun to watch, both of you respectable and actually listened to each other.

[@trainerjoe]

Catch 22 on the protein thing... If you have a lower training load say in a week and you think you don't need as much protein that means you'd have more calories coming from carbs and/or fats. Well those are "energy" so if the training load is lower that week, why would you need a higher % of calories from "energy"? I like these videos and there is always a way to argue the "other side". Lets take a sedentary office worker. Would they need 70+% of calories from carbs and or fats or would they benefit from a say 80% protein and 20% fat? Bu they don't train right, so why 80% protein...

[@chronometer9931]

The reason is because your body still needs a lot of protein

[@chronometer9931]

Just to be clear, I was addressing your last question

[@UndertheNeedle282]

Glad to see Jillian has come around on a few things

[@pierregibran1]

Any scientist saying "you need to follow common sense" is not a scientist.

[@KashifKhursheed-ng1vk]

..is a realist.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Common sense can be built on a lot of science reading and experience. But I agree common sense is not very common.

[@pierregibran1]

@@carinaekstrom1 one of the purpose of science is not to be biased by common sense or by anything but the truth.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@pierregibran1 Absolutely. But when the science is contradictory we have to rely a bit on common sense. If we have a good one.

[@estherringthegack7671]

It is common sense to say that humans cannot have evolved eating the ridiculous amount of protein some experts are now recommending- pre agriculture ,the planet would have become devoid of all animals !

[@maylinsanjur415]

I totally believe in doing your research, trying new things and do whatever works best for you. Keto s very easy for me to follow so that has been my approach for 4 years, I feel great.

[@roxanelamb9832]

She was proven drastically wrong. She knows that she has to be seen with reputable people on this subject now. She was not apologetic at all for misleading people for years. Sounds to me that she came back to throw some jabs to try to save face.

[@WhiteCleats]

LOVE Jillian Michaels! Her down to earth, humble attitude is so winning and sadly rare. The food science crowd, for lack of a better name, is painfully reluctant to admit when they're wrong. You can't trust any health professional who won't budge off their hill despite 20+ years in the game.

[@joz1765]

Wow, you interviewed her 😳. Interesting 🤔.

[@kat2878]

this has been more helpful than every other video on health in last few years put together =thanks!!!!

[@mclyker]

Ummm... Lots of people have been doing Carnivore and Keto for years.

[@beatadomjan-jarvis8489]

She's sooooo fucking RAD!!!! Simplify nutrition, just go 100 percent natural, keep amounts moderate, exercise, lift weights and that's that!!! Thanks for bringing her on Thomas!

[@cleverrebel7654]

This is fantastic! Love you both!

[@klevykids]

How did i miss it?! Right, i unsubbed. But itvstill came up while i was searching for JM's videos. Love her!!!

[@louisj.marciano3390]

Tom attempts to serve to many gods (whoever his guest is) as does a politician to their audience as he morphs his positions as per his guests thoughts and beliefs however because he fancies himself to be such a smooth and clever wordsmith packaged in his ah shucks nice guy I'm so sincere delivery he thinks know one is wise to his perpetual pliable “SALES PITCH”. He gives the impression that he feels that he is smartest guy in the room all the while thinking that nobody notices that he has this opinion of himself but I see his cagey approach from miles away to the degree I can predict how he will adjust his opinions around whatever guest he has on that particular day.

[@notthatkindofsam]

Or is he just a good listener who can meet his guests where they agree rather than getting into a heated debate. Seems like you just want them to fight about something.

[@marshagrobman4975]

Jillian can certainly be polarizing, but many in this space have changed their mind over the years. I am glad that she admits that she now has an open mind as she looks at nutrition and exercise. I choose to give her some grace.

[@voaneves]

Thomas, you're very resilient. On KZbin, there are many people with predominantly negative opinions, yet you've managed to endure this for a long time. Congratulations on your perseverance, brother.

[@kellypokorney5436]

So helpful. Great interview. Thank you.

[@yvonnel7777]

Lots of complaining on her part and nothing really intelligent and informative being said. Not even sure what I expected from this video lol.

[@MirandaMassoo-ks5nt]

It’s nice to see people grow and learn and when we learn something better, acknowledge it. Very nice😊

[@BigNoseDog]

I’ve never liked Jillian Michaels, but I found myself agreeing with her quite a lot during this interview.

[@markekar6021]

Agreed. I like her a little bit more now

[@MyLongevityExperiment]

She has realised that as you get older, things change, and you need to also.

[@YaBasicMillenial]

I remember doing her home workouts about 12 years ago before I started CrossFit! They were the best