THOR LOVE AND THUNDER SPOILER REVIEW LIVE!!! - The Geek Buddies

[@jaego24]

Marvel needs to hire Michael Vogel, ASAP. His insights about the ending of Thor: Love and Thunder as it relates to Gorr is spot on. They way he framed how he would’ve set-up the end scene with Eternity is a way more believable outcome with Gorr’s decision. Great Geek Buddies discussion as always.

[@jesserodgers5625]

Vogel is the man.

[@empyrealone]

Stormbreaker wasn't the key, the Bifrost was. Stormbreaker can bring about the Bifrost. Anything that could create the Bifrost would work as the key.

[@IrvingTransplant]

TY! I didnt catch this live so watching it back, I was screaming at my computer for at least Vogel to remember the explanation.

[@aaronhall5715]

I feel like peoples constant need and obsession to know where phase 4 is tainting their enjoyment of each individual movie. I didn't even know there were phases until phase 3. Why do we need to know "where we're going"?

[@lexis4490]

I agree. I am there to see the characters. Avengers movies are for the overall plan.

[@ZachBobBob]

Completely agree

[@jesorinsekwa4054]

It’s hard for people to readjust after the climax of endgame. To think of the movies as more seperate(like phase 1) is a big change. So while I agree that they should be able to enjoy things on their own without needing to know how they all relate/where it’s going, it’s just not an easy mindset to have

[@cidneydessel777]

He's here, he's there, he's every f**king where, ROY KENT, ROY KENT!!!!!!!!!

[@Michael.Miles1]

The Official Marvel Phase 4 list: 1-NWH 2-WandaVison 3-Shang-Chi 4- Loki 5-Thor: ♥️⚡ 6-🌛 Knight 7-MoM 8-Falcon & Winter Soldier 9-Eternals 10-Ms. Marvel 11-Black Widow 12-Hawk 👁️ What stands out to me is the variety and freedom Marvel is allowing it's storytellers. ✌🏾✌🏾

[@t.c.soares2254]

This show just gets better and better, no matter the combination of you 3! Thank you for your thoughts and insights. So engaging and thought-provoking!

[@cedricwilcox7583]

You can't take two very serious story arcs from the comics but then feel like you have to lean heavy into the comedy for the movie to be successful. It doesn't work. I would say that the movie some of the best visuals I've ever seen in the MCU and every actor was awesome in their role but I really hated the way Zeus was portrayed. Very disappointing.

[@cedricwilcox7583]

Love these discussions and love this show! I look forward to them every week! Can wait for the Ms Marvel season finale video!

[@JamesMLeggatJrP2E]

As a long time Thor/Loki and all things Asgardian stan, I 100% felt like Michael while I was in the theater and afterwards. I realize they shot scenes with the Grandmaster , Etrie the Dwarf, and an unknown (worth a reported $7M paycheck) role played by Lena Heady. Were these god figures slain by Gorr? If so, they well could have given more teeth to selling him as a “God Butcher.”

[@lexis4490]

Especially Lena Heady. It seems like she would play a god.

[@eshna2012]

Gorr WAS dying - when he fights Natalie Portman in the black and white planet scene he says I can see you’re dying, just like me, or something to that effect (when he looks into her eyes) - so he DOES draw the parallel between him and Jane that Rocha is talking about.

[@JohnRochaSays]

BOOOOOOOM goes the dynamite. Thanks for the back up, Eshna! ;)

[@cedricwilcox7583]

The One Above All is probably the God of the MCU universe.

[@m11rrrs]

Wow I actually agree with Rocha way more than Vogel for the first time ever 😂! Thanks fellas

[@coldfire22]

I loved Thor Love and Thunder. Saw it three times and each time the theater seemed filled with happy viewers.

[@107Karnage]

I'm just glad we have my whole cast of next wave Avengers coming together. Black Knight, Starfox, Captain Marvel, Sersi, Shang-Chi, Hercules, Falcon, Mockingbird, White Vision.

[@keylogg]

Saw Thor Love and Thunder twice. A little bit to heavy on the humor for my liking. Would I watch it again on Disney Plus, yes I certainly would. I appreciate the second half of the film. Thank you John and Michael!!! Hope you guys have a lovely weekend!!! 🙂 👍

[@darrenhanlon9281]

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[@brianng8350]

That is right -it doesn't make sense Stormbreaker is in cave painting if it was just created not long ago. It should be Mjolnir (for energy or something) or Helmdall or Helmdall Jr (transportational power) as the key. Or even have Thor sacrifice himself so Gorr can't take Stormbreaker and leave the rescue to Mighty Thor and Valkyrie, it might make a interesting movie, but people might complain that is like the new Master Of The Universe where Prince Adam was taken out early on. But it might help with some of the logistical issues and more screen time with Mighty Thor and Valkyrie. Also, at the end, I don't think Thor changed Gorr's mind. it's just he mentioned he can wish to kill all the gods or bring back his daughter. Even though his daughter is his motive, I don't think he ever thought about bringing her daughter back to life. But again, all these wishing powers is very confusing like with Wonder Woman 84 or Spiderman -what are the rules? They can get silly really quick.

[@CHarr1991]

Been waiting for this deep dive!

[@douglasdubois7985]

Great analysis buddies!!

[@jesserodgers5625]

Vogel is the fuckin man, man. Vogel is a fuckin writer. Science is too tight. Too TIGHT. The part of the review where he's talking about Gorr and the kidnapped kids and how that whole element could have been improved. *Chef's kiss* *Slow clap* All the things.

[@ShellsGhost1]

I don't think Gor gave up his hatred in the end. He spent the entire movie watching Thor be an actual Hero. And when he sees Thor choose love over hatred, he recognizes that his own love was stronger than his hatred. Because to suggest otherwise would actually dishonor his daughter. Life isn't about destroying what you hate it's about saving what you love. He saw that play out, and he took his one opportunity to save his daughter and give her the life he never could. Also, with Jane in the MCU she was all about saving everyone. It's why she convinced Thor to actually save people. Once she had the power of Thor and the fact that when she didn't have the hammer, she could barely stand, of course, she'd keep using it. Also, in the comics, it's dumb. Radiation kills cancer while you're exposed. It's not a tonic that lingers and can be washed out of you. The hammer saving her and making her stronger makes sense. The fact that she's mortal and can't handle the power of the gods also makes sense. I liked this movie more than Ragnorak. This immediately lets you know what kind of movie this was, and the goats kept reminding me of that all the way through. And the quality of the performances still let the drama hit me.

[@writersneverdie4217]

Mike and I are on the same page, once again.

[@jesseargueta1612]

Examples of Thor being dumb: 1) Destroying the sacred temple and barely noticing when he was supposed to be there to save the temple 2) Forgetting the word for "afraid." 3) Summoning the Bifrost in the middle of a crowded building 4) Giving a speech about eating children to the parents of missing children 5) Literally acting so generally dumb that the children he was saving didn't want his help anymore. 6) Trying to use his cape as a disguise 7) Summoning the axe when the bad guy is acting him to summon the axe 8) Using the axe to summon the Bifrost right next to the same bad guy. 9) Not doing anything to stop the newly de-powered bad guy from entering the gate to Eternity

[@prateekkhanna5540]

This movie worked for me on an emotional level more than the badass superhero stuff There was so much to Thor than just being goofy.....he knew what he needed to do, he was OP and after loosing everything and trying to find new purpose he found love, first in Jane and then in a little girl......yeah, the quipy fun elements are still in him but that's what people loved from his character in Ragnarok compared to the broody and sadistic Thor from Thor 1 and 2

[@ZachBobBob]

Really great discussion as always. Wish Shannon was here but hey ho. On the why Jane was doing what she did front I think she knew it was over for her being stage 4 and figured being Thor would let her go out with a bang. She could help save the galaxy and have some fun being strong and powerful again instead of just wasting away in a hospital bed doing nothing for herself or anyone else.

[@ThisIntrovertLife]

The conversation about Chris Hemsworth apology made me visit this review. Interesting watching knowing the movie crashed & burned.

[@waydephilpot3749]

They did state in the movie that the Necro Sword slowly kills its wielder

[@waydephilpot3749]

I agree with Mike. The movie was enjoyable but it wasn't necessary.

[@kacimfriend]

At the beginning when Gorr first gets the necrosword it tells him the bifrost is the key to Eternity, not stormbreaker. Stormbreaker opens the bifrost, that is why he needed stormbreaker. Thunderbolt and Valkyries Horse can get them to the gates of eternity, not into eternity. Only stormbreaker’s bifrost can do that.

[@jmartin4396]

Zeus' lightning bolt and the Pegasus didn't take them to Eternity. They took them to the "door" to Eternity. Stormbreaker was the key to that door.

[@dominicanlink812]

The movie does say that the swords curse not only change the holder but it also kills the weilder watch the movie again and listen carefully

[@JohnRochaSays]

It doesn’t say WHEN it kills the wielder or that when the sword is destroyed that the wielder just dies right afterwards. Sure hope you watch it again and listen carefully as well for all that they DON’T make clear about the sword.

[@dominicanlink812]

@@JohnRochaSays you could be right if she destroyed the sword why didn't it set him free instead of killing him? I guess only the director can answer that question

[@galebon]

I didn't have the qualms Michael did, but he's right. Great points, but I'm obviously less discerning.

[@kmart1138]

I just saw Thor: Love and Thunder for a second time. I really liked it the first time and Loved it the Second time! It was more emotional to me the second time!

[@codyhuntfilms]

You’d think Thor always knew about Eternity so why didn’t he think to use it to bring everyone back in Endgame?

[@ameliacraiig4193]

I enjoyed listening to you like a podcast while exercising, even though I couldn't give a fig about this movie.😄

[@cordewren]

Eternals is my favorite Phase 4 movie so far but it falls behind Lokie, WandaVision, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and Falcon and the Winter Soldier (in that order) so far. the rest of my ranking would be Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Dr. Strange MoM, Thor Love and Thunder, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and What If.

[@Kaslo25]

Re: Jane Valhalla, I think its also important to bookend the beginning of the movie, where Gorr is told by his god that there is not afterlife for mortals, yet when Jane dies it proves thats not true.

[@ateam404]

I just watched on Disney+ , then the Making of.. then watched the film again and it really added to understanding everything. Sure you shouldn’t have to see them explain but it steps up what was good to.. good-er lol

[@107Karnage]

Thor was intentionally dumb in this one because he was detaching himself from reality. He had a lot of depression he was compartmentalizing. People do this in real life. It took Jane coming back and her story to make Thor whole again. I didn't need more Gorr. What would the purpose be for more Gorr? We know walking in he is gonna lose. Why prolong it?. Loved the kid stuff, personally.

[@cedricwilcox7583]

This movie was fun but that's about it. This movie had so many jokes that weren't that funny IMO. I went Thursday opening night at 7PM where it's a pretty live audience and people weren't laughing as much. Thor is a joke now unfortunately.

[@thelordofdarkness6105]

loved the review YOU TWO MY TWO FAVOURITE BUDDIES LOVE THAT THIS FILMS OK SAD TO HEAR THE SAME THINGS ABOUT TOO MANY JOKES IN THE WRONG PLACES IN THE SERIOUS MOMENTS ! BROTHERLY LOVE GUYS FROM YOUR BOY Aman :D hey VOGEL :D

[@who_hurt_youproductions8826]

They did say the sword would kill you eventually

[@JohnRochaSays]

They say it kills the wielder. It’s not specified when. Nor is it made clear what happens if the sword is destroyed.

[@who_hurt_youproductions8826]

@@JohnRochaSays true... Maybe I just assumed once it was destroyed whatever injuries he sustained and without the sword keeping him alive he just died lol. I tried not to overthink that moment because I was just in awe of actually seeing eternity.

[@Kingcali49]

I loved the show like always and your still the best on utube!

[@who_hurt_youproductions8826]

The sword was only keeping him alive to kill the gods

[@Zock711]

Doesn't he actually say something to Jane to the effect that they're alike because they're both dying? Their weapons are the only thing keeping them alive

[@who_hurt_youproductions8826]

@@Zock711 yea that's what I thought 🤔. I know it was mentioned somewhere by someone lol

[@dominicanlink812]

To me it feels like taika hates thor's friends cuz he kills the warriors 3 and makes thor's baby mama lady sif a joke shake my head come on taika show a little more respect

[@lexis4490]

I thought there were skit like jokes that I didn’t like (e.g. the god of Dumplings, really). I prefer longer movies too. Otherwise, I enjoyed this movie and the story and characters. I really appreciate what they did with Mighty Thor. And the kid scene made me smile.

[@JoseRodriguez-op6wo]

Do you think we could get 6 episode of a Disney plus show of the mighty Thor in new Asgard ?

[@jtmaxwell]

Loved the movie! Probably my favorite Thor film. Admittedly, I don't enjoy Ragnarok as much as most others (and oddly a number of the problems I see being lobbed at this movie are complaints I have about that one), so I was going into this one a little worried and maybe those lower expectations helped. But having seen it three times now, I enjoy it more and more. It's not without its problems, of course. I agree that it was a bit too short and the weaker first act would have been well served by seeing more of Gorr's butchering and the beginning of Jane's time as Thor and friendship with Val (which I take to mean that even when I disagree with Mike, I kind of agree with Mike). Not all of the jokes land (I only laughed at the goats once, and if I never see that Asgardian theatre troupe again I'll be as happy as a dead warrior in Valhalla), but the emotional and action beats all did for me, especially in the second and third acts. I was deeply satisfied by the end (enough to warrant two more non-nap based viewings. ;) ) and excited to see where things go for Thor, "Love" (who I think may wind up being the MCU's version of Singularity from A-Force based on her reflection), Val, Jane (who becomes a Valkyrie in the comics, so I would not be mad at a demigod buddy cup duo with those two), Korg, Herc, and even Lady Sif and Axel (give me a Disney+ show called Journey Into Mystery of her with a cyborg arm training him and meeting another more horse faced cybernetically enhanced space Viking named Beta Ray Bill along the way and I'll forgive never getting a Warriors Three show. ;) )! Also, I for one have been loving Phase 4 so far (Multiverse of Madness aside, and even that had some things I liked), so I'm not worried about the direction of the universe. Just keep showing me the planets in their orbits and the direction will reveal itself in time! As for rankings: -Shang-Chi -No Way Home -Eternals/Love and Thunder (can't decide between them, so they're tied for now) -Black Widow -everyone's performances in Multiverse of Madness -most of the visuals in Multiverse of Madness -whatever's still left over from Multiverse of Madness 😜

[@CriPPleR_HD]

Thor Love and Thunder was a mess. I loved Thor Ragnarok, but Love and Thunder is in competition for the bottom slot of my MCU list.

[@Kingcali49]

What drama of M.O.M.? Didn’t the movie make a billion dollars?

[@buddylove9436]

In the first scene.. the sword told him he needed storm breaker.. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Doctor strange a superior movie…

[@whogg0521]

I really appreciated all the various POVs, great discussion. I enjoyed the movie alot, just not sure I loved it like Ragnarok

[@Ketotio]

The kids scene was odd to me as well. Perhaps if they would’ve explained the lightning bolt allowed him to transfer his powers, that could’ve worked for me. Otherwise, why wouldn’t Thor have transferred his powers in Infinity War in Wakanda to everyone or throughout any of the other movies.

[@lexis4490]

Not Asgardians…

[@ReviewKingMB]

I enjoyed the film but had many issues with it ... a lot of my issues were perfectly articulate by Mike here and I originally thought I was in the minority but great discussion both ways 👍

[@ronchess8813]

If you want more that means movie is good needed more Gor more Valkrie Love that Thor has daughter i have a daughter whom is a Marvel

[@colinvandenberg3446]

The Christian God definitely exists in the DCU, since multiple 9draw oh Him for their magic.

[@jesorinsekwa4054]

They mention the god of carpentry at omnipotentcity- probly Jesus

[@Jeannine_9]

Took some family members who were very disappointed, needed more action and a tighter story, way too many tonal shifts , Jane Foster plot is missing 15/30 minutes. Thor it’s been fun but bye boy!

[@willowwisp357]

Jane had stage Thor cancer....

[@ChunkCohen553]

PLEASE stop spoiling comics in your movie reviews

[@KnightFoxx1190]

I liked the movie. But it ventured way too far into the silliness for me. I was looking for a balance like Ragnarok.

[@cedricwilcox7583]

Rocka, I can't believe you liked the Zeus stuff. That was the last straw for me.

[@lexis4490]

It’s just a different interpretation. Every other movie and show portrays Zeus as this amazing god of gods.

[@cedricwilcox7583]

@@lexis4490 Yeah, that's what I wanted. I was hoping for a very powerful present like Odin but him still being a dick and didn't care about stopping Gorr.

[@lilmario0]

This movie suffers from the same thing Dr. Strange 2 suffers from imo. It need more scenes in-between to link everything together better. Why not include a scene of asking Valkyrie if she's aware of anything that might help her condition? Why not show the villain actually slaying a god? I didn't seem capable of killing that huge beast from what we saw of him lol. Why not have a moment showing why Jane decided to be one Thor one last time knowing she will die? She wanted to live the entire time that why she went for the hammer.. what made her comfortable dying? Also what was the point of Valkyrie implying that she's "team Jane"? Her relationship with Jane seemed clearly friendly. I know it shouldn't matter but it made me wonder if they were including random LGBT stuff just to please a crowd.

[@hollywoodrulz2673]

I thought the Zeus stuff was the worst part of the movie all of it feel like they wasted Russell crowe

[@bonnililienthal8090]

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