Thor - The Drunken Killer

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@CynicGTA Ай бұрын

In celebration of Ragnarok releasing on pc. I figured we could explore some of the prominent figured in the game😁

@ProWalter2 Ай бұрын

I really think if Thor didn't die and given enough time to grow, He and Kratos would have become friends

@MilitaristTurkcu Ай бұрын

Everyone thinks that dude and that is correct

@brokemono Ай бұрын

Friends or just "we're okay now, you killed my children but we're okay", like with Freya.

@Mr.BrokenRecord 21 күн бұрын

I have a feeling we'll see Thor return somehow.

@ProWalter2 21 күн бұрын

@@Mr.BrokenRecord I really hope so.

@RatedTruth 20 күн бұрын

Thor and kratos vs Odin would have been crazy

@gelsboy0369 Ай бұрын

I loved this version of Thor. And I loved the fact that he wasn't just another god killed by Kratos. Thor is an example of how much Kratos has changed. Instead of killing anyone he deems as a threat, Kratos sympathies with him and wants them to be better fathers to do better. It just sucks that Thor was killed by Odin.

@Genrevideos Ай бұрын

Yeah but at least Thor finally had the gall to stand up to Odin for once in his life! Even in death he finally got the last laugh!

@cadeshanley218 Ай бұрын

Bet Marvel's Thor would want to help his God of War counterpart to be a better man, better god, and a better husband and wife to Sif and Thrud. Not to say GOW Thor didn't try to be in the latter, but he's so worn down by GOW Odin that he's basically hollowed out.

@christianhenry4173 Ай бұрын

@@Genrevideosnot only that he had enough respect for his dad to not kill his parents or attempt to like Buldur

@ivanhunter6492 Ай бұрын

Thor was a reflection of what Kratos could have become had he stayed in Greece

@goroakechi6067 Ай бұрын

@@cadeshanley218marvels thor was crap.

@HumBug_05 Ай бұрын

I find it neat how Thor doesn't actually have his own theme or motif. The song named after him is just a more intense version of Odins theme, because for the longest time all Thor has been is an extension of Odins hand.

@Garbageman28 Ай бұрын

Classic favoured child of a narcissist move.

@greedgod5827 Ай бұрын

Thors true theme only plays after the frozen lightning is made it has no more of odins motif

@HumBug_05 Ай бұрын

@greedgod5827 No it's still Odins motif at that stage of the fight, just checked

@barkbarkshark3797 Ай бұрын

You ain’t felt guilt til you felt it sober

@theeast7005 17 күн бұрын

Crazy suprise to find a kendrick song quote here, but a welcome one.

@WinmanVideo Ай бұрын

"Sobriety doesn't change a monster" Nice touch.

@Tribophopic Ай бұрын

Then there’s no point trying to get better. Way to give people license to be worse.

@Grayson-Winchester Ай бұрын

This Thor is more lore accurate than the Marvel version in all publications.

@texcorps9432 Ай бұрын

Well that was never really the point of Marvel thor lmao. Doesn't change he's also a great character

@hulkbelowall9532 Ай бұрын

accurate only in terms of gluttony and red hair...everything else is GOW invented...Marvel Comics Thor is what Myth Thor represents...mankind's protector

@cadeshanley218 Ай бұрын

Bet this Thor would see Marvel's Thor as the man, the god he wants to be. A more positive role model for Thrud.

@christianhenry4173 Ай бұрын

It still doesn't change either that marvel Thor is way more powerful too. Marvel Odin too it's not a fair discussion.

@Zarkrez Ай бұрын

@@hulkbelowall9532no its not lmfao

@_Doozy Ай бұрын

Great video. The dynamic of Thor and Odin was written so masterfully - it's scary good. I've lived with an abuser that was like Odin, and every bit of Odin's manipulation from words to mannerisms was spot-on. In one example, Odin's jab at Thor of "you used to be more fun," is one of those shitty things that shitty friends/etc. may say to someone trying to stay sober - master manipulator or not. For someone already struggling with sobriety, it sucks enough to hear the demons in your head spoken aloud in that way - worse yet, when it's from someone that's been mentally and emotionally abusing you your whole life, who knows exactly how to say all the worst things at the right times. Another great example, shown here: when Odin says "don't we make a good damn team," and Thor retorts, "just like you and Baldur?" The positive reinforcement Odin's giving Atreus is the very kind of love-bombing abusers mix-in between their manipulations and harmful actions to keep their abused in-line and constantly vying for approval despite the abuse. Atreus smiles widely at the approval, uninitiated and naive to the manipulation; but, Thor, having seen it all his life, sees right through it - even if it took losing his sons before finally calling it out. The way Odin looks at Thor in that moment - holy hell does that trigger bad memories. That's the exact reaction and look I've been given by my abuser when I'd call out their manipulation in very similar scenarios. I almost can't stand to watch any more of it, let alone play the game, having been so familiar with someone who acted just like Odin's depiction. Despite that, huge props to the writers (and I hope they're okay - surely this must have come from experience, to write the part so believably?). Thor was similarly written exactly how I'd imagine someone raised under such abuse would act. Despite seeing through a lot of Odin's abuse, Odin knew just how to poke and prod and take from Thor to keep him miserable and under his control. Just, damn, so well-done, all-around

@JazBumbkins Ай бұрын

Reminds alot of Arthur and John. All men trying to be better but somone keeps forcing them to be what they used to be. (Dutch,Feds)

@ProWalter2 Ай бұрын

Thats a really good comparison

@JazBumbkins Ай бұрын

@@ProWalter2 why thank you. Honestly both games strike the same chord but differently. Both are about trying to move on from your mistakes and actions.

@frostburn3736 Ай бұрын

Thor didn't deserve all this "treatment" Odin has provided him for God knows how long. (no pun intended) But at end, he broke free from All-Father. Just too bad Thrud had to witness her father die.

@jeangentry6656 Ай бұрын

At least she knows who to blame.

@Michael-bn1oi Ай бұрын

She saw him die, but she also saw him *really* be alive for the first time in who knows how many years.

@Valkyrie7894-o4v Ай бұрын

Never thought this game would actually make me feel bad for Thor, especially after 2018 built him up as the “biggest butchering bastard in the Nine Realms”. He’s literally Kratos, if he hadn’t rebelled against Ares or Zeus. After Calliope & Lysandra’s death, Kratos drowned his guilt in drink & meaningless sex. Thor does the exact same thing after the atrocities he’s committed in the Allfather’s name. That bar fight is played for laughs, but is genuinely heartbreaking when you read into it. When we first meet Thor in Midgard, he pours and offers mead without partaking himself. He was genuinely trying to quit drinking and be better for Sif & Thrud. Magni & Modi’s deaths probably shook him to his core. Yet, Odin needed him to be one thing: a mindless killing machine. “I liked you better as a drunk” is so *EVIL* considering what Thor is capable of when he gives in to those trappings. He pushes his own son towards being a worse father & husband, all to maintain his hold on him. It’s fascinating how a being so absurdly powerful can be so… broken. Odin’s children never had any choice in what they would become. The whole theme of overbearing parents moulding their children is done so well. While Kratos & Freya both struggle with letting go out of love for their kids, Odin only sees his children as pawns to be played in his game.

@stoicarchitect Ай бұрын

In GOWR story, alcohol doesn't kill gods, but their family does.

@carlito___fml2652 Ай бұрын

I found it heartbreaking that in his final moments Thor still couldn’t bring himself to look at Odin.

@marcoh703 25 күн бұрын

I assumed that he didnt wanted to look at his father so the last thing he saw was his daughter.

@carlito___fml2652 25 күн бұрын

@@marcoh703 He looked at Thrud after he noticed her being there but if you watch him (Thor) shortly after he’s stabbed by Odin, when Odin’s saying “I didn’t want to do this” (or something to that effect), you can see him avert his gaze like he did in the beginning when Odin insulted his sons (“they were kinda useless”).

@nidhoggr8193 Ай бұрын

I always liked when thor says "don't you know what I've done." He claims to have revealed in the killing of the giants but he says this line so pitifully. He expects vengeance but the way he says it makes it sound like wants someone to come and claim that vengeance. I don't actually think he fully enjoyed killing the giants. He mentions them every time he is drunk and when he's trying to reval. But he also put them on a pedestal of his own misery. Right alongside his alcoholism. I think those things are the what he hates most about himself. It's what defines him as a destroyer and nothing else. He views that action as the reason he can't change. More even than the alcohol. It reminds me of a short story about a man who during war killed a group of hiding children by accident. When he returns home he can't even look at his own children anymore because all he can think about is how can he dare to be a father when he's killed children.

@ZeineldinLoai Ай бұрын

Underated channel ngl

@CynicGTA Ай бұрын

Thank you, that means alot to hear

@TheOnlyTaps Ай бұрын

The best version of Thor ever written ❤

@disgruntleddude Ай бұрын

Physically, he reminds me of a dear estranged friend of mine. Mentally, he reminds me of myself.

@playavengerspicasso3166 Ай бұрын

This makes me sad...I hope Thor is doing okay in Valhalla.

@happyninja42 11 күн бұрын

I liked your comment about how Kratos wanted to keep Atreus from becoming like him, the same way Thor wants his children to not be like him. It reminds me of one of my favorite scenes in both games, and brings a bit of interesting revelation to a line Kratos says at the end of GoW 1. The scene that I loved is when Kratos is traveling with Freya, and they are discussing their children, and Kratos is opening up about his previous family, and their deaths, and how that impacted his relationship with Atreus. He's talking about the training needed to become a Spartan, and how he refused to subject Atreus to it. This is further reinforced when Atreus flat out asks him why he didn't train him like a Spartan, asking if he didn't think he could handle it. And Kratos growls that he didn't want to subject him to it. When you hear him actually describing the training with Freya, it illuminates that comment to Atreus so wonderfully. "My life was pain and misery from day one, and I do not wish that upon you, my son. I want you to be different." So he actively distances himself from Atreus in GoW 1, to try and prevent himself from contaminating him with his very presence. Dumb move in reality, but to him it makes the most sense. "I'm a monster, the less time he spends with me, the better off he is." But taking all of that into consideration, it makes the story about why he named Atreus, even more emotional and telling. Kratos talks about all of the things that he remembers about the Spartan named Atreus. How he was not broken. He laughed, he loved, he enjoyed life. He brought joy and warmth to all who were around him. Everything Kratos, and the typical Spartan is not. So the fact that Kratos named Atreus after THAT guy, the living embodiment of everything a Spartan isn't, and then also refused to train him as a Spartan, speaks volumes to both his self loathing for what he is, and he became what he is, and also his love for his son, and his near pathological TERROR at him becoming like Kratos in any way.

@cainescouten-chappell362 Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, you need to die with a weapon in hand to go to Valhalla. He dropped the hammer.

@sentienthalloumi6251 Ай бұрын

IIRC he died just outside Valhalla

@shadowdragonx07 Ай бұрын

chu DUNT need a weapon in hand dumbass chu need tu be pure of heart and will chu stupid ass moron

@TheSSBBfan666 Ай бұрын

@@shadowdragonx07 Thor knows he aint pure of heart, also thats not how it works

@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger Ай бұрын

But he died giving up violence and in favor of others, If anything he could had gone to the "Higher Plane"

@TheSSBBfan666 Ай бұрын

@@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger yeah, though the devs kinda squashed that by clarifying him fading in lightning wa shis own godly powers breaking down his body in death

@Notrealmang Ай бұрын

I used to be an alcoholic but I put the fire water down I get what Thor feels sometimes a good drink makes life good… even if it’s bad

@stanco1273 Ай бұрын

They're both destroyers trying to be better but with temptations

@Bxrry125 Ай бұрын

I feel like Kratos and Thor parallel perfectly to each other. Both were powerhouse slaves to their fathers. The only difference is that Kratos stood up to the corruption and evil of his father and won. Thor unfortunately did not

@SmallOneEyedKing Ай бұрын

Fat Brett created a character analysis.of Thor. Also recommended watching it.

@lovely1762 29 күн бұрын

There is real people out their who act like Thor.

@ivanhunter6492 Ай бұрын

Beautiful

@lucri988 Ай бұрын

Imagine if Tor stayed of the vast amounts of mead, went out and fought /trained and thus leveled up. Kratos would be a pulp after second fight

@beefchief2320 Ай бұрын

I just noticed that right as Atrues opens the portal to escape Thor, Kratos throws his axe through the portal to deflect his hammer, letting Atrues escape unscathed.

@m.r4841 Ай бұрын

It was the sword who protected him, not Kratos.

@curtisdunn1854 Ай бұрын

Stop smoking crack

@Owlbearwolf2 Ай бұрын

I’m a liberal construction worker in the South. Thor is every decent, conservative co-worker I’ve ever had. Given up hope on everything except the pride they take in how much they can suffer.

@Ashtasticle94 Ай бұрын

He's just like me fr (im an alcoholic)

@yeeyeeedits Ай бұрын

Ur video sr so in depth

@ChipperMcManus Ай бұрын

what woulod have happened if odin still won, but now thor was gone? I wonder that so often

@samyoung4230 Ай бұрын

Can you do a video on tyr!

@m.r4841 Ай бұрын

That would be difficult because we have only stories about him from the first game.

@MaesterGreen Ай бұрын

Tornant...of Sobriety... As a God...? LET IT BE KNOWN that this was stupid. Thor being a drunk and Odin being a CEO both very bad takes. Enough time has passed, we can be honest to each other now. And it's bad not because of any petty reasons, mainly because of what they established in the first game literally got tossed out the window. The seriousness of it all and the weight of the consequences were never there. Kratos and Atreus are never in any real danger. If a story has to keep telling you your in danger, then your not really in danger. And I fail to realize, for all of Kratos' newfound beliefs, what did Odin do to render his 'Call To Action' because my guess is nothing. Everybody hates him and he's an old white guy (my guess is they went with Harvey Weinstein as an inspo) and Thor is a hard ass and The One person probably more powerful than Odin and sits behind a door all day and is supposed to be the Son of Baldur and the only one who may want revenge on Kratos' besides Thor AND CAN BRING HIS CYCLE OF REVENGE STORYLINE TO AN END (BECAUSE YOU CAN KILL RANDOM CREATURES AND GODS AS LONG AS THEYRE BAD BUT NOBODY DOES ANYTHING WHEN FREYA HAS RANDOMS STILL TRYING TO KILL KRATOS IN MIDGARD)

@icecreamtruckog3667 Ай бұрын

You are kind of ignorant about the Nordic religion (Ásatrú). In order to go to Valhalla you need to dye with a weapon in your hand, Thor dropped the hammer right before death. Valhalla is Odin's home, if Odin killed his son do you think the valkyries would bring the spirit of Thor back to that place?

@DCoop-uo2wq Ай бұрын

Yeah, people seem to want to pick and choose what applies and what doesn't when it comes to this game

@ginn1902 Ай бұрын

In GOW:R Thor is great, but Odin is super meh. He broke the narration of the ones who controled Thor. No cunning, no pressure, just a skinny old dude trying to breath through every sentence.