Thorin's Thoughts - Coaches and Experts who Don't Play

[@marcelobenattoferreira2998]

You see guys, from all the shit thorin said about Locodoco throughout the years some ppl would think he doesnt like Loco. Allthough that might be true, he's able to praise him when praise was DESERVED. Can you see the diference?...Thorin actually make comments based on something, he doesnt trash talk out of his ass like a lot of stupid ppl think, and he's able to recognize when someone is right. Another awesome video Thorin, keep it up.

[@00HoODBoy]

fanboys arent able to tell the difference. gives me cancer

[@Raumance]

Thoughts on why 2016 will be the best year for CS. I mean if it will be. But I certainly feels so. Luminosity trying to rise into the elite tier. Fnatic looking to maintain dominance. TSM choking as usual. NV trying to get their leader/coach/tactics shit together. NA... well... I don't know I just feel 2016 seems to be a very interesting year.

[@livinglifeform7974]

+Raumance I Think that Na'Vi will the 2nd best team in the world.

[@OMGitsjustperfect]

+Living Lifeform funny

[@deuces1196]

+Living Lifeform HAH! HAHAHA! ......ha

[@livinglifeform7974]

Deuces 11 They're kind of 2nd best atm imo, Only fnatic can really beat them.

[@Raumance]

Living Lifeform The lost to Luminosity... and E-frag... They have now won a Bo3 against NV and TQM that hardly is enough to place them 2nd. It's only a few days, you don't rank a team based on that. And also this is their home tournament.

[@GloryFlames]

Thanks for the new video dad!

[@jarjarbinx3134]

+Liam Bedard stop, this whole calling everyone dad is quite old now

[@nicha112]

+Jar Jar Binx i wanna get fucked by my daddy thorin

[@ggwhite6528]

+Jar Jar Binx okay dad

[@GloryFlames]

+reiymi its a joke fam ;(

[@dankenis2748]

+reiymi calm down dad

[@Krzysiekoy]

Thorin, looking forward to that dynamic queue video. Hope for some good banter.

[@Lokdei]

Haha didn't expect that outro, well played!

[@Backiinthegame]

watched the whole thing for the alpha draft promo

[@FastFoodLifers1]

+Jason Yu That segeway though...

[@joelseverinsson7144]

Hi thorin U are ce best expert in da world

[@Raumance]

+Negrop Gonna need a vacuum for that.

[@jakec177]

+Blame you are a fucking comedic genuis mate

[@figs827]

+Blame The color of your hair doesn't determine whether or not you have a domesticated red junglefowl as your property.

[@euphoric-6177]

You should do a video on how you analyse demos. It would be cool to learn from an expert on what to look for in how teams and players play the game.

[@Krzysiekoy]

Dyrus bought ninjas instead of mercs into double AP. His reasoning was that he, in that game, was a low eco toplaner and simply could not afford boots as expensive as mercs and also had to gain armor from some sort of a cheap source. Regi's reasoning was pretty simple: double enemy AP = mercs boots no matter what.

[@MarekHekselman]

sometimes i think thorin is making an ad for alfa draft and later look for a topic that would fit into that

[@matthewxdubz4819]

Thorin i love your vids and just the way you have mastered the English language makes you so interesting to listen to keep it man

[@0boarder0]

great job on the desk today Duncan.

[@JakeSucky]

Anyone else thinking Thor would be a great coach?

[@ggwhite6528]

he wouldn't

[@AstekCS]

+Howzat - I would be if he wanted too, but why would he want too

[@AstekCS]

I think he would*

[@azteK]

+asteK Lol nice name kid

[@ggwhite6528]

azteK thanks

[@morky3673]

I certainly believe through study and spectating you can understand a game like CS at a reasonably high level. I got my PC and the first kbm game I played was valorant. I got plat 2 and was shocked at how much my spectating knowledge was being applied to my game.

[@JuanSelection]

One man immediately came into my mind when I saw the title but in terms of physical or traditional sports. Arrigo Sachi never played professional football but was a great, great manager. He won two successive European cups for AC Milan after earning his stripes managing in the lower leagues. Jose Mourinho also never played top level football but is now considered one of the best football managers in the world. Of course, in the eyes of the public, the people who actually played holds more stock since they were the ones performing on the stage. But as the great man Arrigo once said; "I never realized that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first."

[@jollu1]

+Hobbes I think you mean soccer?

[@JuanSelection]

Of course. Most people would write American Football if they're alluding to the one played in the NFL so they won't confuse the yanks.

[@jollu1]

Hobbes I was trolling you

[@JuanSelection]

Antility TV Always willing to help. Have a good day.

[@swiggsoclock]

+Hobbes +Hobbes IIRC Mourinho started out in football as a translator for Bobby Robson. He learned from one of the best English managers of the era, and was said to have always been very attentive and analytical, even in his early days.

[@Zetherin]

Thorin,Bravo -- great articulation on the topic and I completely agree.

[@FastFoodLifers1]

"In Game Leader"... look no further than Lemonnation. Mechanically, not as highly technical as many of the Supports he faced, but his management of comps and ability to understand the ever changing flow in game allowed him to best many who "1v1" would be considered better. I expect great things from him as a Coach now.

[@Kongaii]

11:50 it was Ninja tabis vs double ap comp as Maokai, Dyrus said you need to gain some armor from some kind of source but Regi felt he should have bought Mercury

[@herrnenne]

+Marcus ”Kongaii” Uppala Do you know which episode it was?

[@Kongaii]

herrnenne sorry, no

[@herrnenne]

I would like to see the TSM-legends episode he talks about where dyrus and regi talks about top lane purchases. Can any one give link or title?

[@rjw19]

Thumbnail looks hilarious

[@WildProz]

popping these videos out nonstopppp

[@WatchClock99]

When will the next By the numbers episode (CS:GO) come online?

[@JovaxHD]

Can you do your thoughts on this new qualifying team, with pronax and devilwalk in katowice 2016

[@JovaxHD]

www.reddit.com/r/csgobetting/comments/418wtc/pronax_pauf_schneider_devilwalk_and_rdl_to_play/

[@Vip3riBzK]

+Jovax Well... another Bot Team :D

[@ffsFonix]

+Jovax no expectations for this team

[@jussik4687]

will be just as bad as wf

[@WhiteSekii]

If we make the analogy with Hockey (NHL), Scotty Bowman is the greatest head coach of all time with a win record that will probably never be beaten and many championship won. He never played professionally. On the other end, Wayne Gretzky is one of the greatest player that lived, but yet did pretty miserably coaching wise.

[@Lionbug]

@Thooorin, why do you think Olofmeister is the best player?

[@dimitarttt]

Thorin pls do a discussion of what happened to Gambit!

[@DinoJr.686]

+Dimitry Ttt I'd love to see his thoughts on that

[@metroid4390]

+Dimitry Ttt they sold their sold to viatitly

[@CalebTheObjective]

thorin could you do podcasts? i love to listen but in my life right now im traveling a lot and my data gets killed by youtube... if you were already thinking about converting your videos to podcasts i personally support it

[@iburley_]

I get this a lot when I play matchmaking. I'll get matched up with a smurf and try to correct them on something or call out a poor play and they blow up at me, how could somebody so low rank (I play at like a DMG level when I'm current) try to tell a Global Elite that they've done something wrong? How could I possibly think I know better than them? I'm the kind of guy who identifies most closely to your description of the expert, though clearly not at your level. I have multiple Global Elite friends who ask me theory crafting questions all the time because they know that's my area of expertise. No, I don't play the game well, but I'll be dammed if I don't completely understand why.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

As usual, an interesting video :) And that segue into AlphaDraft :P

[@bidcar87]

this video did not include the word skrilla unless it comes at the very end. I am sad.

[@HawaiiAdventures808]

The biggest issue for me personally is if a person doesn't show proper respect to a Pro player. Thorin is wicked smart and knows his stuff but in csgo personalities tend to clash. I am reminded of an example from other pro sports like basketball were you have a group of 4 annalists talking about the game during halftime. Two of them are X pro players with championships under their belt and the other two are smart life long fans of the game. Both bring great opinions to the table but ultimately in my opinion the ex pro will always have a better understanding of the game because he went through the process instead of just theory crafting. Sorry for improper grammar and connotation, still working on english.

[@nathanchin2483]

LOL the sneaky alphadraft promo at the end!

[@Nuurix]

My dream is it to be reflection interviewed by Thoorin one day :)

[@hariharsen4549]

Do you still watch a lot of demos in go?

[@IIIlllIIIlI]

+Mr Learn Writing hundreds of articles and videos is irrelevant to whether you're lazy or not, if you haven't watched a couple of CSGO demos :>

[@hariharsen4549]

geeez. took the b8 m8.he obviously did not seriously say that thorin was lazy xD

[@spookytook]

What mic does Thorin use?

[@champ2100]

This video was so good! Thank you for posting.

[@LegendGamingZz]

Sometimes it helps to view a thing from a different perspective.

[@juanme555]

I never wanna see Ex6tenz coaching!!!!! he is a complete genius.

[@juanme555]

***** wat .-.

[@FastFoodLifers1]

It's simply. Look at the NFL. The NBA. The MLB. How many of those COACHES were great PLAYERS? Very few. Some, yes... but most, no. There is a difference in understanding and breaking down something, and actually DOING the Craft. There are a great many that are VERY GREAT at what they do in a given position... like a QB in the NFL... that can't Coach a lick, or couldn't break down the game from an OVERALL standpoint.

[@MagnumOpusMHK]

i bought csgo for full price cuz my friends were into it but then i ended up playing literally only 3 hours until now. but because im such a fan of you thooorin, i wanna start playing cs LOL i wont lie i watched few tournaments and its honestly more entertaining than watching lol tournaments. (just because of the paste)

[@CatnamedMittens]

mobas are super opaque while CS:GO is really viewer friendly.

[@matrinoxtm]

Anyone can be right about anything, what matters is what they say. But the degree of trust you give a stranger is their credibility, and if you're a pro player, you appear more credible at first glance than someone who doesn't play

[@mikeclarke3990]

I'm not even sure a coach in lol has a very defined role, it's still a newish concept where teams use them in different ways.

[@MooveProductions]

What's your CSGO rank?

[@ggwhite6528]

he is gn3

[@plunky1738]

+Howzat - he said in an interview that he hadn't been below double AK?

[@ggwhite6528]

Geltinn but he deranked because of the update

[@ColinsBaldGrandma]

+Geltinn yes, and he called it a shit rank also. thorin was also a skilled quake player so it's hard to believe that thorin is that bad

[@NotFeir]

I feel like this entire segment could have been explained with a (pro)(coach) Venn Diagram

[@SLTRR]

Do you play alphadraft? thorin?

[@WorstScenarios]

of course he does. How else do you think he paid for heating and for a hotel.

[@ObtecularPk]

please do sports example like nba or relate some of the concept to nba terms

[@Enty94]

A statement is either true or false regardless of who says it, not doing this is falling into the logical fallacy called argument from authority.

[@XISTY]

Fnatic or Navi?

[@WorstScenarios]

yay new thooorin video

[@xdaniels13]

Reflections with Fallen! Please Thoorin :)

[@sanchicho]

what's scrilla?

[@FeintMotion]

All models are incorrect, but some of them are useful.

[@Blueeey]

I don't think its right to compare food and film which are open to interpretation, to sports which are often confined to a certain meta or ideology in order to be successful.

[@CatnamedMittens]

I think he was talking about the intricacies of both and how they may look simple but when you break it down its complex.

[@hugotersteege778]

I think this video might be based on freakazoids opinion about thorin & other experts and stuff, just search freakazoid vs thorin

[@NaczzAttackAPiG]

Thoorins word of that day: horizontal XD

[@oboyy]

Your analogy is flawed in a few ways. The discussion is that between people who can play the game at a very high level and those who can not. Dyrus and Loco both play the game at high levels so you're picking 2 people from the same pool. Besides, Dyrus is probably one of the least cerebral people out there, at least in the way he presents himself. Personally I believe that there are things you pick up in practise that you never would have otherwise regardless of how much theory you cram into your brain. The best expert would probably be a good mix of both.

[@Leminster]

I don't understand. He talks about pro players and expert and how both their views bring something to understand a game. But then he only takes examples of formers pro players that turned coaches or expert. What about the experts with no top lvl ingame experience ? Are they to be considered the same as former pro players that turned expert ?

[@Leminster]

+CJ Smooth Yeah i know. So we are to consider him as the same as former pro gamers ?

[@CatnamedMittens]

He clearly states in the video: analysts look at the game from a horizontal perspective while players look at it from a vertical perspective.

[@JustGotRespawned]

Very interresting. :)

[@markedone150]

Thorin without his clothes on is like Naked Pope of Rome with nuns on instagram

[@lillegaard]

Shouldnt your graffic on the right be with the shows name on the top and the stay connected on the bottom? You surely read from the top. What am I watching? Thorin's Thoughts, ahh, ok. What's the topic? Ok, ok.. Good, good. How to I stay connected to this fellow? Ahh there, there.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Wouldn't you just look at the title to know wtf your watching...?

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

'everyone is specialized in this or that' ... and than there is Puppey and fucks everything over by just being great in everything ...

[@GameNationRDF]

In before eSport guide / principles books become mainstream

[@unnworthyservant]

U said EnVyUs would beat NaVi. I'm glad u were wrong xDD

[@onogrirwin]

Oh god he used locodoco as an example again >.

[@MrTRINHSANE]

@thooorin please become a pro IGL

[@GameNationRDF]

2 people can cook the meal

[@edviser]

ermagerd uploaded 1 minute ago

[@shiinaeri9891]

WHERE IS MIITTENS? you're late

[@rallek9152]

A MANAGER !!

[@xmapwin]

ah, a topic forever lost on the dota 2 community

[@based8985]

A MANYJERRR, COACH

[@VloggityTV]

Can you make a patreon so we can stop hearing about alpha draft. As a fan, its really repetitive.

[@kurukq]

if you like demos so much you should have gone with DOTA instead of LoL imo :)

[@CatnamedMittens]

The community is pretty bad which sort of turns him off but he enjoys watching DOTA and is starting to analyse or write more about it.

[@drunkbarreldrunkbarrel546]

Under 301 club!!

[@danielalexandru5415]

wtf you still endorsing alphadraft ?

[@simargl2454]

dat thumbnail

[@DaveSP196]

Lest hear Thorin roast dumb watchers and players!

[@Dasiankid]

Vugo

[@vinnyt1140]

44th

[@Jackson_CSGO]

It looks like Thorin's drinking urine...

[@MrMinecraft3100]

2nd

[@Slarmbomb]

1st

[@thomdeane]

Freakazoid thinks he knows more than thooorin just because he plays compared to thooorin being "just" an analyst

[@masterrob321]

What would freakazoid know he's plays on a the top team in NA that bought a shit semi pro player

[@rdmz135]

Freakazoid can be an idiot

[@00HoODBoy]

+Redemz indeed. i like his Personality and attitude towards the game, but sometimes he should just shut up.

[@rdmz135]

00HoODBoy yeah same

[@CatnamedMittens]

meathead thoughts

[@hugotersteege778]

I think this video might be based on freakazoids opinion about thorin & other experts and stuff, just search freakazoid vs thorin

[@SevlaElectronicMusic]

2nd